Guest guest Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 Dear Friends, Didn't someone just post a story about two monks talking over their Spiritual practices, and one said he lives in a cave alone and goes thru many spiritual austerities daily. The other says he lives in a monastery with 100 other monks. The monk who lives in the cave bows down to the one who lives with all those different personalities, all those different outlooks, egos and views and KNOWS that he has the harder path to walk. Folks, we are in the monastery here! To go away and live in a cave solves nothing. This talk we are having has to be talked out. It is clear that some are not happy with the list the way things are now. So lets talk about that. Starting another list is futile also, as I agree with Surya-the differences of opinion will just follow us there. As long as we connect with each other in respectful and caring ways, we will get thru this. But clearly, the only way to get thru it, is to go thru it! I also have a very strong feeling Amma knows exactly what is happening here. This has to be cleared up before she even thinks of speaking to us as a group. In Amma's Service, mare On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:34:08 -0700 (PDT) GeorgeSon <leokomor > writes: > Om Amriteswarye Namah! > > Dear Sisters and Brothers: > > With sincere sadness a decision > has arisen in consciousness. > > GeorgeSon aka as Chitanand > will leave this Ammachi list > and devote more time to Sadhana. > > Within the next hour I will > > There is no point elaborating. > > Please do not allow my departure > to create any friction. > > With Love, > > GeorgeSon > (Chitanand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 All that being said, I think a major problem here for most is what Keval's policies are in regards to moderation, as opposed to the original moderator of the group. I think that many here would like a stricter, more focused group. Maybe we should consider it, since it seems that Keval is not open to taking a vote on issues or even to the possibility of stepping down as moderator if the group elected someone else. His own messages show that he does not even read all the messages posted. Well what sort of moderation is he doing then besides complaining that we don't snip the text enough, or that our headers are wrong if we elect to view the messages in daily digest form instead of individually? I'd love to hear others opinions and views on these subjects. I am sure for another group, if it makes sense, though I would rather that this one was more strictly moderated. I think people can speak privately about such things, or post in other groups. Also I don't think derrogatory comments on people like Dayamrita belong here. Jai Maa! Surya - Mary Ellen Robinson Ammachi Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:52 PM Re: BIDDING FAREWELL???? Dear Friends, Didn't someone just post a story about two monks talking over their Spiritual practices, and one said he lives in a cave alone and goes thru many spiritual austerities daily. The other says he lives in a monastery with 100 other monks. The monk who lives in the cave bows down to the one who lives with all those different personalities, all those different outlooks, egos and views and KNOWS that he has the harder path to walk. Folks, we are in the monastery here! To go away and live in a cave solves nothing. This talk we are having has to be talked out. It is clear that some are not happy with the list the way things are now. So lets talk about that. Starting another list is futile also, as I agree with Surya-the differences of opinion will just follow us there. As long as we connect with each other in respectful and caring ways, we will get thru this. But clearly, the only way to get thru it, is to go thru it! I also have a very strong feeling Amma knows exactly what is happening here. This has to be cleared up before she even thinks of speaking to us as a group. In Amma's Service, mare On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:34:08 -0700 (PDT) GeorgeSon <leokomor > writes: > Om Amriteswarye Namah! > > Dear Sisters and Brothers: > > With sincere sadness a decision > has arisen in consciousness. > > GeorgeSon aka as Chitanand > will leave this Ammachi list > and devote more time to Sadhana. > > Within the next hour I will > > There is no point elaborating. > > Please do not allow my departure > to create any friction. > > With Love, > > GeorgeSon > (Chitanand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > > All that being said, I think a major problem here for most is what Keval's policies are in regards to moderation, as opposed to the original moderator of the group. I think that many here would like a stricter, more focused group. Maybe we should consider it, since it seems that Keval is not open to taking a vote on issues or even to the possibility of stepping down as moderator if the group elected someone else. > > His own messages show that he does not even read all the messages posted. Well what sort of moderation is he doing then besides complaining that we don't snip the text enough, or that our headers are wrong if we elect to view the messages in daily digest form instead of individually? > > I'd love to hear others opinions and views on these subjects. I am sure for another group, if it makes sense, though I would rather that this one was more strictly moderated. I think people can speak privately about such things, or post in other groups. Also I don't think derrogatory comments on people like Dayamrita belong here. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya Surya and all, IMHO and respectfully, this is a classic case of "the other must change" versus "change myself". The desire to see: 1. Keval change his policies 2. this group tranform to a more focused group etc belongs to the realm of "change others". Does Amma not tell us to live in harmony with the world by accepting them AS IS? Did Sri Yukteshwar (Yogananda's guru) not say "live like an ant; take the sugar, don't disturb the sand"? (Keval, I don't mean to say you are sand!) a "change myself" solution would be what I suggested before but on which no response has been registered yet: 1. Create another group which is directly inspired by Amma and is moderated according to Amma's instructions (maybe a Br. or a senior devotee can oversee the moderation and take direct guidance from Amma to lead this new group) 2. Let all other groups flourish AS IS! Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 I am sorry but in this case, what you are saying is completely irrelevant. It has nothing to do with what we are discussing. Jai Maa! Surya - manoj_menon Ammachi Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:32 AM Re: BIDDING FAREWELL???? Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > > All that being said, I think a major problem here for most is what Keval's policies are in regards to moderation, as opposed to the original moderator of the group. I think that many here would like a stricter, more focused group. Maybe we should consider it, since it seems that Keval is not open to taking a vote on issues or even to the possibility of stepping down as moderator if the group elected someone else. > > His own messages show that he does not even read all the messages posted. Well what sort of moderation is he doing then besides complaining that we don't snip the text enough, or that our headers are wrong if we elect to view the messages in daily digest form instead of individually? > > I'd love to hear others opinions and views on these subjects. I am sure for another group, if it makes sense, though I would rather that this one was more strictly moderated. I think people can speak privately about such things, or post in other groups. Also I don't think derrogatory comments on people like Dayamrita belong here. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya Surya and all, IMHO and respectfully, this is a classic case of "the other must change" versus "change myself". The desire to see: 1. Keval change his policies 2. this group tranform to a more focused group etc belongs to the realm of "change others". Does Amma not tell us to live in harmony with the world by accepting them AS IS? Did Sri Yukteshwar (Yogananda's guru) not say "live like an ant; take the sugar, don't disturb the sand"? (Keval, I don't mean to say you are sand!) a "change myself" solution would be what I suggested before but on which no response has been registered yet: 1. Create another group which is directly inspired by Amma and is moderated according to Amma's instructions (maybe a Br. or a senior devotee can oversee the moderation and take direct guidance from Amma to lead this new group) 2. Let all other groups flourish AS IS! Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > > I am sorry but in this case, what you are saying is completely irrelevant. It has nothing to do with what we are discussing. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya well that's about as rude as you can get, a remark you have doubtless heard from others perhaps in less direct words. And if you can't see it as being relevant, then you are actually being dim too. All, Sorry for this outburst, and now I will shut up on this issue. For the record: 1. I am neutral to Keval's stances. It is his list and his decision how to moderate. 2. I don't see why even if this list is similar to the freespeech list, it has to bother anyone. If it really bothers anyone, there is a way out which I am suggesting and to suggest it is not relevant is definitely not in good taste or behavior. Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Dont' mean to be rude but just straight forward. Sorry if it is perceived as rude. If this is a satsang, then it belongs to Amma not to Keval. That is why I suggested the vote. That is what we do here and other satsangs do the same. Surya - manoj_menon Ammachi Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:36 PM Re: BIDDING FAREWELL???? Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > > I am sorry but in this case, what you are saying is completely irrelevant. It has nothing to do with what we are discussing. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya well that's about as rude as you can get, a remark you have doubtless heard from others perhaps in less direct words. And if you can't see it as being relevant, then you are actually being dim too. All, Sorry for this outburst, and now I will shut up on this issue. For the record: 1. I am neutral to Keval's stances. It is his list and his decision how to moderate. 2. I don't see why even if this list is similar to the freespeech list, it has to bother anyone. If it really bothers anyone, there is a way out which I am suggesting and to suggest it is not relevant is definitely not in good taste or behavior. Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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