Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Dear All, I don't understand all this talk about low-class oils!?? For Rudraksha OR Shalagram Shila there is NO oil equal to Chandan Til (Sandal Wood Oil) from Mysore. It is supreme, all the rest are almost an insult. That is why Moon is called, "Shamboor mukuta bhushanam" and Moon's oil is Sandal. Why use any other!?? It is a magic tree of India (and, amazingly, has no flowers). Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, "alstrup" <alstrup wrote: > > Surya, > > Its not that simple, as oils contain different ratios of fatty acids. > These are either saturated, monounsaturated or polyunsaturated. Then > there are other compounds in an oil that also has an effect. Wood is a > natural material which reacts in different ways when exposed to oils. > Polyunsaturated fatty acids will oxidize quickly when exposed to air, > heat and light. This could potentially harm the longevity if the bead. > Olive and mustard seed oil has a lot of monounsaturated fatty acids. But > the oils have different effects, mustard seed oil is more drying than > olive oil. Heating/cooking an oil will also change its effects, a good > example is linseed oil base for paint. I am no expert in the field of > how oils affect wood, especially Rudraksha beads, that is why I am > interested to know more about the reasons for the traditional use of > certain oils to preserve Rudraksha beads. And since there is no > traditional use of olive oil in India for Rudraksha, hence my caution to > use it for beads. > > Thanks, > > Ole > > > sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> > wrote: > > > > I don't think any of it will be a problem. That is my firm opinion. > These are the pits of a fruit. > > > > Soaking them is only to saturate them with oil. Oil is pure fat. It > will not harm the longevity of the bead. > > > > Surya > > - > > alstrup > > sacred-objects > > Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:56 AM > > Re: Rudraksha bead quality > > > > > > > > Is it necessary to soak beads and for what reasons? > > > > I am not sure that olive oil is good for beads, as it was not in use > in > > India, we dont know if it could reduce the longevity of the wood of > the > > beads over many years? There could be a good reason why mustard oil is > > traditionally used, according to ayurveda, it is a drying oil, perhaps > > the fatty acid composition of mustard oil has a preservation effect. > > There should definitely be done some research on this topic. > > > > Ole > > > > sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" mahamuni@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Any will do. I normally use olive oil. Traditionally mustard oil is > > used, but I don't particularly like the smell. When just doing a quick > > fix for a bead or mala, I use Sandlewood Oil, which is definitely my > > favorite to use, but is quite costly. When I do a good 1-2 day soak, I > > use Olive and then follow with a light Sandlewood for scent. > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > - > > > alphanov2@ > > > sacred-objects > > > Wednesday, August 16, 2006 6:43 AM > > > Re: Re: Rudraksha bead quality > > > > > > > > > What are the best oils for soaking a rudraksha bead? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 I guess it depends on how many rudrakshas one has and how much money one has to buy Sandal Wood oil, especially from Mysore. Surya - Richard Shaw-Brown sacred-objects Friday, August 18, 2006 5:58 PM Re: Rudraksha bead OIL (Low-class V/s High Class) Dear All, I don't understand all this talk about low-class oils!?? For Rudraksha OR Shalagram Shila there is NO oil equal to Chandan Til (Sandal Wood Oil) from Mysore. It is supreme, all the rest are almost an insult. That is why Moon is called, "Shamboor mukuta bhushanam" and Moon's oil is Sandal. Why use any other!?? It is a magic tree of India (and, amazingly, has no flowers). Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, "alstrup" <alstrup wrote: > > Surya, > > Its not that simple, as oils contain different ratios of fatty acids. > These are either saturated, monounsaturated or polyunsaturated. Then > there are other compounds in an oil that also has an effect. Wood is a > natural material which reacts in different ways when exposed to oils. > Polyunsaturated fatty acids will oxidize quickly when exposed to air, > heat and light. This could potentially harm the longevity if the bead. > Olive and mustard seed oil has a lot of monounsaturated fatty acids. But > the oils have different effects, mustard seed oil is more drying than > olive oil. Heating/cooking an oil will also change its effects, a good > example is linseed oil base for paint. I am no expert in the field of > how oils affect wood, especially Rudraksha beads, that is why I am > interested to know more about the reasons for the traditional use of > certain oils to preserve Rudraksha beads. And since there is no > traditional use of olive oil in India for Rudraksha, hence my caution to > use it for beads. > > Thanks, > > Ole > > > sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> > wrote: > > > > I don't think any of it will be a problem. That is my firm opinion. > These are the pits of a fruit. > > > > Soaking them is only to saturate them with oil. Oil is pure fat. It > will not harm the longevity of the bead. > > > > Surya > > - > > alstrup > > sacred-objects > > Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:56 AM > > Re: Rudraksha bead quality > > > > > > > > Is it necessary to soak beads and for what reasons? > > > > I am not sure that olive oil is good for beads, as it was not in use > in > > India, we dont know if it could reduce the longevity of the wood of > the > > beads over many years? There could be a good reason why mustard oil is > > traditionally used, according to ayurveda, it is a drying oil, perhaps > > the fatty acid composition of mustard oil has a preservation effect. > > There should definitely be done some research on this topic. > > > > Ole > > > > sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" mahamuni@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Any will do. I normally use olive oil. Traditionally mustard oil is > > used, but I don't particularly like the smell. When just doing a quick > > fix for a bead or mala, I use Sandlewood Oil, which is definitely my > > favorite to use, but is quite costly. When I do a good 1-2 day soak, I > > use Olive and then follow with a light Sandlewood for scent. > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > - > > > alphanov2@ > > > sacred-objects > > > Wednesday, August 16, 2006 6:43 AM > > > Re: Re: Rudraksha bead quality > > > > > > > > > What are the best oils for soaking a rudraksha bead? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Greetings Sri Richard ji and to all, Rightly said about Sand wood oil. There is NO OIL EQUAL TO SANDAL WOOD OIL. It is manily used in Lord Murugan temple. And the only Oil which can use for all Gods. With best regards Ravan . Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: Dear All, I don't understand all this talk about low-class oils!?? For Rudraksha OR Shalagram Shila there is NO oil equal to Chandan Til (Sandal Wood Oil) from Mysore. It is supreme, all the rest are almost an insult. That is why Moon is called, "Shamboor mukuta bhushanam" and Moon's oil is Sandal. Why use any other!?? It is a magic tree of India (and, amazingly, has no flowers). Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, "alstrup" <alstrup wrote: > > Surya, > > Its not that simple, as oils contain different ratios of fatty acids. > These are either saturated, monounsaturated or polyunsaturated. Then > there are other compounds in an oil that also has an effect. Wood is a > natural material which reacts in different ways when exposed to oils. > Polyunsaturated fatty acids will oxidize quickly when exposed to air, > heat and light. This could potentially harm the longevity if the bead. > Olive and mustard seed oil has a lot of monounsaturated fatty acids. But > the oils have different effects, mustard seed oil is more drying than > olive oil. Heating/cooking an oil will also change its effects, a good > example is linseed oil base for paint. I am no expert in the field of > how oils affect wood, especially Rudraksha beads, that is why I am > interested to know more about the reasons for the traditional use of > certain oils to preserve Rudraksha beads. And since there is no > traditional use of olive oil in India for Rudraksha, hence my caution to > use it for beads. > > Thanks, > > Ole > > > sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> > wrote: > > > > I don't think any of it will be a problem. That is my firm opinion. > These are the pits of a fruit. > > > > Soaking them is only to saturate them with oil. Oil is pure fat. It > will not harm the longevity of the bead. > > > > Surya > > - > > alstrup > > sacred-objects > > Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:56 AM > > Re: Rudraksha bead quality > > > > > > > > Is it necessary to soak beads and for what reasons? > > > > I am not sure that olive oil is good for beads, as it was not in use > in > > India, we dont know if it could reduce the longevity of the wood of > the > > beads over many years? There could be a good reason why mustard oil is > > traditionally used, according to ayurveda, it is a drying oil, perhaps > > the fatty acid composition of mustard oil has a preservation effect. > > There should definitely be done some research on this topic. > > > > Ole > > > > sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" mahamuni@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Any will do. I normally use olive oil. Traditionally mustard oil is > > used, but I don't particularly like the smell. When just doing a quick > > fix for a bead or mala, I use Sandlewood Oil, which is definitely my > > favorite to use, but is quite costly. When I do a good 1-2 day soak, I > > use Olive and then follow with a light Sandlewood for scent. > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > - > > > alphanov2@ > > > sacred-objects > > > Wednesday, August 16, 2006 6:43 AM > > > Re: Re: Rudraksha bead quality > > > > > > > > > What are the best oils for soaking a rudraksha bead? > > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Dear Ricahrd Ji, Can you provide us a source from where we can get a pure "Chandnaditailam". I have bought two different samples from ayurvedic shops but was disheartened as both contained an oil base perfumed with Sandal. I need to know a source from where i can get a real thing. Regards, Alok Jagawat sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown" <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear All, > > I don't understand all this talk about low-class oils!?? For Rudraksha > OR Shalagram Shila there is NO oil equal to Chandan Til (Sandal Wood > Oil) from Mysore. It is supreme, all the rest are almost an insult. > That is why Moon is called, "Shamboor mukuta bhushanam" and Moon's oil > is Sandal. Why use any other!?? It is a magic tree of India (and, > amazingly, has no flowers). > > Best rgds, > Richard > > sacred-objects, "alstrup" <alstrup@> wrote: > > > > Surya, > > > > Its not that simple, as oils contain different ratios of fatty acids. > > These are either saturated, monounsaturated or polyunsaturated. Then > > there are other compounds in an oil that also has an effect. Wood is a > > natural material which reacts in different ways when exposed to oils. > > Polyunsaturated fatty acids will oxidize quickly when exposed to air, > > heat and light. This could potentially harm the longevity if the bead. > > Olive and mustard seed oil has a lot of monounsaturated fatty acids. But > > the oils have different effects, mustard seed oil is more drying than > > olive oil. Heating/cooking an oil will also change its effects, a good > > example is linseed oil base for paint. I am no expert in the field of > > how oils affect wood, especially Rudraksha beads, that is why I am > > interested to know more about the reasons for the traditional use of > > certain oils to preserve Rudraksha beads. And since there is no > > traditional use of olive oil in India for Rudraksha, hence my caution to > > use it for beads. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ole > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I don't think any of it will be a problem. That is my firm opinion. > > These are the pits of a fruit. > > > > > > Soaking them is only to saturate them with oil. Oil is pure fat. It > > will not harm the longevity of the bead. > > > > > > Surya > > > - > > > alstrup > > > sacred-objects > > > Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:56 AM > > > Re: Rudraksha bead quality > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it necessary to soak beads and for what reasons? > > > > > > I am not sure that olive oil is good for beads, as it was not in use > > in > > > India, we dont know if it could reduce the longevity of the wood of > > the > > > beads over many years? There could be a good reason why mustard oil is > > > traditionally used, according to ayurveda, it is a drying oil, perhaps > > > the fatty acid composition of mustard oil has a preservation effect. > > > There should definitely be done some research on this topic. > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" mahamuni@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Any will do. I normally use olive oil. Traditionally mustard oil is > > > used, but I don't particularly like the smell. When just doing a quick > > > fix for a bead or mala, I use Sandlewood Oil, which is definitely my > > > favorite to use, but is quite costly. When I do a good 1-2 day soak, I > > > use Olive and then follow with a light Sandlewood for scent. > > > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > > > - > > > > alphanov2@ > > > > sacred-objects > > > > Wednesday, August 16, 2006 6:43 AM > > > > Re: Re: Rudraksha bead quality > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the best oils for soaking a rudraksha bead? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Respected Richard ji, As you have rightly mentioned, Chandan oil is the best oil to use for Rudraksha protection. However, natural sandle oil is highly expensive. In India, 25 ml.. bottle of pure Mysore Sandle Wood oil costs Rs. 1800/- (Approx. 40 US$). 'Cauvery Stores, Mahatma Gandhi Road, Bangalore, Karnataka State, India is the best source to get pure sandle wood oil. 'Cauvery Stores' is run by the Govt. of Karnataka, India and is the best source for sandle wood oil, incense sticks, sandle wood handicrafts, sandle wood powder, rose wood handicrafts, etc, Karnataka Govt. has sandle wood oil factory at Shimoga, Karnataka. However, I do not have the complete address of the factory. I have been there few years back. In Tamilnadu, there is a chain of 'Poompuhar Stores' similar to 'Kauvery' in Karnataka. Poompuhar Stores are also run by the TN govt. and sells similar items mentioned above. Without proper export license, export of Sandle wood oil is legally banned. Cheaper source of Sandle wood oil is by chemical synthesis. However, it is harmful to rudraksha and metal idols. It gives dark coloured spots on metal idols and is not suitable for pooja purpose. It is a misbelief that Sandle Wood plant does not have flowers. The plant species is Santalum album, Family : Santalaceae. It produces very small reddish coloured flowers. Fruits are initially green in colour. Riped fruits are black and little sweet. Fruits are loved by birds. We have large no. of sandle wood plants in our office colony at National Chemical Laboratory, Poona. However, Sandle Wood from Karnataka and Tamilnadu are considered to be of the best quality. Interestingly, Sandle wood plant is a root parasite in its initial stage of development. Roots of Sandle Wood plant penetrate roots of other plants to absorb water and nutrients. Interesting link for SW plant : members.aol.com/parijata/sandalwood.html - 31k Thanking you and with regards, Chandrashekhar Phadke Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: Dear All, I don't understand all this talk about low-class oils!?? For Rudraksha OR Shalagram Shila there is NO oil equal to Chandan Til (Sandal Wood Oil) from Mysore. It is supreme, all the rest are almost an insult. That is why Moon is called, "Shamboor mukuta bhushanam" and Moon's oil is Sandal. Why use any other!?? It is a magic tree of India (and, amazingly, has no flowers). Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, "alstrup" <alstrup wrote: > > Surya, > > Its not that simple, as oils contain different ratios of fatty acids. > These are either saturated, monounsaturated or polyunsaturated. Then > there are other compounds in an oil that also has an effect. Wood is a > natural material which reacts in different ways when exposed to oils. > Polyunsaturated fatty acids will oxidize quickly when exposed to air, > heat and light. This could potentially harm the longevity if the bead. > Olive and mustard seed oil has a lot of monounsaturated fatty acids. But > the oils have different effects, mustard seed oil is more drying than > olive oil. Heating/cooking an oil will also change its effects, a good > example is linseed oil base for paint. I am no expert in the field of > how oils affect wood, especially Rudraksha beads, that is why I am > interested to know more about the reasons for the traditional use of > certain oils to preserve Rudraksha beads. And since there is no > traditional use of olive oil in India for Rudraksha, hence my caution to > use it for beads. > > Thanks, > > Ole > > > sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> > wrote: > > > > I don't think any of it will be a problem. That is my firm opinion. > These are the pits of a fruit. > > > > Soaking them is only to saturate them with oil. Oil is pure fat. It > will not harm the longevity of the bead. > > > > Surya > > - > > alstrup > > sacred-objects > > Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:56 AM > > Re: Rudraksha bead quality > > > > > > > > Is it necessary to soak beads and for what reasons? > > > > I am not sure that olive oil is good for beads, as it was not in use > in > > India, we dont know if it could reduce the longevity of the wood of > the > > beads over many years? There could be a good reason why mustard oil is > > traditionally used, according to ayurveda, it is a drying oil, perhaps > > the fatty acid composition of mustard oil has a preservation effect. > > There should definitely be done some research on this topic. > > > > Ole > > > > sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" mahamuni@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Any will do. I normally use olive oil. Traditionally mustard oil is > > used, but I don't particularly like the smell. When just doing a quick > > fix for a bead or mala, I use Sandlewood Oil, which is definitely my > > favorite to use, but is quite costly. When I do a good 1-2 day soak, I > > use Olive and then follow with a light Sandlewood for scent. > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > - > > > alphanov2@ > > > sacred-objects > > > Wednesday, August 16, 2006 6:43 AM > > > Re: Re: Rudraksha bead quality > > > > > > > > > What are the best oils for soaking a rudraksha bead? > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Okay, does anyone have practival experience with soaking beads in spure Mysore sandalwood oil? How long should they soak, if they are dry? sacred-objects, spskathiravan ravan <bb_22_72 wrote: > > Greetings Sri Richard ji and to all, > > Rightly said about Sand wood oil. There is NO OIL EQUAL TO SANDAL WOOD OIL. It is manily used in Lord Murugan temple. And the only Oil which can use for all Gods. > > With best regards > Ravan > . > > Richard Shaw-Brown rsbj66 wrote: > Dear All, > > I don't understand all this talk about low-class oils!?? For Rudraksha > OR Shalagram Shila there is NO oil equal to Chandan Til (Sandal Wood > Oil) from Mysore. It is supreme, all the rest are almost an insult. > That is why Moon is called, "Shamboor mukuta bhushanam" and Moon's oil > is Sandal. Why use any other!?? It is a magic tree of India (and, > amazingly, has no flowers). > > Best rgds, > Richard > > sacred-objects, "alstrup" alstrup@ wrote: > > > > Surya, > > > > Its not that simple, as oils contain different ratios of fatty acids. > > These are either saturated, monounsaturated or polyunsaturated. Then > > there are other compounds in an oil that also has an effect. Wood is a > > natural material which reacts in different ways when exposed to oils. > > Polyunsaturated fatty acids will oxidize quickly when exposed to air, > > heat and light. This could potentially harm the longevity if the bead. > > Olive and mustard seed oil has a lot of monounsaturated fatty acids. But > > the oils have different effects, mustard seed oil is more drying than > > olive oil. Heating/cooking an oil will also change its effects, a good > > example is linseed oil base for paint. I am no expert in the field of > > how oils affect wood, especially Rudraksha beads, that is why I am > > interested to know more about the reasons for the traditional use of > > certain oils to preserve Rudraksha beads. And since there is no > > traditional use of olive oil in India for Rudraksha, hence my caution to > > use it for beads. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ole > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I don't think any of it will be a problem. That is my firm opinion. > > These are the pits of a fruit. > > > > > > Soaking them is only to saturate them with oil. Oil is pure fat. It > > will not harm the longevity of the bead. > > > > > > Surya > > > - > > > alstrup > > > sacred-objects > > > Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:56 AM > > > Re: Rudraksha bead quality > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it necessary to soak beads and for what reasons? > > > > > > I am not sure that olive oil is good for beads, as it was not in use > > in > > > India, we dont know if it could reduce the longevity of the wood of > > the > > > beads over many years? There could be a good reason why mustard oil is > > > traditionally used, according to ayurveda, it is a drying oil, perhaps > > > the fatty acid composition of mustard oil has a preservation effect. > > > There should definitely be done some research on this topic. > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" mahamuni@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Any will do. I normally use olive oil. Traditionally mustard oil is > > > used, but I don't particularly like the smell. When just doing a quick > > > fix for a bead or mala, I use Sandlewood Oil, which is definitely my > > > favorite to use, but is quite costly. When I do a good 1-2 day soak, I > > > use Olive and then follow with a light Sandlewood for scent. > > > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > > > - > > > > alphanov2@ > > > > sacred-objects > > > > Wednesday, August 16, 2006 6:43 AM > > > > Re: Re: Rudraksha bead quality > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the best oils for soaking a rudraksha bead? > > > > > > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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