Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

August 11, 2006

Dear K Gopu:

Just one last thought.

The strongest Viparita yoga for Khumbha lagna is

when the 6th, 8th and 12th houses are combined by

separate house lordships.

A few examples are Chandra as 6L and Sani as 12L

in Makara; Budha as 8L with Sani as 12L in Makara;

Budha as 8L with Sani in 12L in Kanya; Chandra as

6L in Kataka in mutual aspect with Sani in Makara as

12L, etc.--any combination of house lordships that

stays within those houses. This can have dramatic

impact on the person's roller-coaster rise, fall and rise.

Nevertheless, I have seen great extremes of ups and

downs in people's lives with only one planet involved.

For Leo lagna, Sani in Kataka in the 12H aspecting its

own house, brought one person back from a near-death

experience, from practically nothing, to completely

rebuilding his life personally, spiritually and financially.

BUT it happened under Sani dasha and he had to work

like a dog in order to set the stage for this rise; so the

effects were that of a Viparita, in my view. If Sani dasha had

not been the case, I believe the effects would have been

completely different.

Perhaps the real question is whether any such rise will

happen automatically or if the person has to do something

about it. In the case of Sani, I feel that the person must

do something about it--there's effort involved. Depending

on the lagna, the planets involved, and the dasha period, this

might not be so; instead it may appear to be pure destiny

at work and the rise from obscurity is as much of a surprise to

the person as it is to others. In any case, I feel this is one of

the most interesting yogas of all, because it would seem like

the combination of dusthana house lords in the dusthana houses

would be entirely bad, and yet there's that old saying that "whatever

doesn't kill us, makes us stronger." The dasha cycle sets the stage.

Just a few of my observations so far and I appreciate what others

have to say.. For me, how something works is as important as its

effects.

Sincerely, Haizen Paige

, "haizen" <haizen wrote:

>

> Dear K Gopu:

>

> One astrologer's opinion.

>

> Speaking in terms of general effects and not with

> regard to any specific chart as a whole...Even with

> Khumbha as lagna and Sani ruling both 1H and 12H,

> a Viparita is still possible. Despite the challenges this

> yoga can bring before the opportunity of rise and gain

> under normal circumstances, it can indicate that Sani

> may be stronger and more influential than it appears.

> But the rewards must be earned.

>

> There are three possibilities for Khumbha lagna: (1)

> Sani's power comes from aspecting its own 12H if

> placed in the 6th. (2) Sani's power comes from being

> in one of its home signs, and house, if placed in the

> 12th. And (3), the most challenging is when Sani is in

> the 8th, because it has neither of the two previous

> advantages. Nevertheless, Sani is still out of the

> trikona and kendra houses and the other house

> lordships may gain from this relief. With option 3,

> one would look to the strength of the 8H lord to help

> out 8H affairs or fortunate aspects to the 8H itself.

> The burdens could be heavy, but the resulting strength

> could be tremendous. Some charts have this advantage,

> and some don't.

>

> The 8th is connected with sudden rises or falls,

> sometimes of a very fated and destined nature. As

> all houses have both an external and internal meaning,

> this yoga should be understood on both levels to

> appreciate the relationship between the potential

> hardships and possible gains. One gains inwardly

> as well, in terms of character, and can develop great

> worldly wisdom. This could be the chart of someone

> who has the possibility of offering great personal service

> to the world, but the health must be watched as well

> because the risks of accident or illness could be greater.

>

> Look for benefic aspects to the lagna or its lord to help

> the health and 1H affairs. Strengthen Shukra, if needed,

> so the person can truly enjoy their labors. Be cautious

> with what you do with Budha because of its connection

> with 8H affairs. (If in doubt, do propitiations for Budha

> rather than strengthening measures with a gem. A Budha

> mantra is also the safest measure.) Also look to see how

> Chandra is situated and whether it's afflicting anything in

> the chart as 6L of problems and conflicts. Look to Budha

> as 8L for the same possibilities, keeping in mind its potential

> benefits as 5L of good fortune.

>

> Also check to see if the person will be running Sani in the

> dashas. If no Sani dasha in this life-time, the challenges

> may not be as great. If Sani period comes, the efforts within

> this 19-year cycle can carry the person a long way in life,

> even if those around him are not as hard-working or as

> inclined toward such service, effort, or seclusion. Sani in the

> 8H can be very resourceful.

>

> Khumbha relates to the person's role with regard to the

> betterment of humanity as a whole. In less evolved charts,

> the person is likely to feel victimized by life and miss the

> opportunities that come by learning from one's mistakes

> and failures, or fate could intervene before the rewards are

> realized. As with all charts, there are other house lordships

> to consider in order to evaluate how this yoga works, but this

> yoga is not rare. Now that Saturn is in Cancer, approximately

> two hours every day, any one born with Khumbha lagna will

> have this yoga - and that's thousands of people a day. Plus,

> people are meant to profit from their knowledge of this yoga

> or the information probably wouldn't have been fated to come

> to them. To be forewarned, in the best sense of the word, is

> to be forearmed.

>

> Others are welcome to disagree or add to what has been

> said here. These are merely my personal observances.

>

> Best wishes, Haizen Paige

>

> , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> >

> > dear Mr.Haizen,

> > does vipareeta raja yoga exists for Kumbha lagna if

> > the lord of 12 saturn is in 6th or 8th 12th because

> > here he happens to be lagna lord. kindly clarify.

> >

> > regards,

> > k.gopu

> >

>

August 11, 2006

Dear Prafulla,

thanks for explaining the results with your life experience..and i

agree with your views.

my main intent on touching this controversial subject is if you go

through the many reading requests, the moment the astrologer says

the chart has VRY, the native forget all other things...they think

when the yoga fructify, overnight all the problems will be over and

the become millionaire..that is not the case to be...i wanted to

make it clear that the native gets some relief as i mentioned in my

other mail...and nothing more.

sriganeshh

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Sriganeshh and Bhaskar bhai

>

> You have touched a very controversial / interesting subject of

fructification of yoga. Few yogas give life time effects, and few

for specific dasha / bhukti. First premise- if the planetary

positioning work for life time or only during their specific

periods. In my humble view, planetary position work for life time.

If someone has LL aspecting lagna, then native is protected in its

lifetime for bhava results..not only for the period of LL. Yes,

during its dasha / bhukti - they play a little focussed role...like

player getting ball in the field, but he can hit the goal or not

will have many variables.

>

> Any yoga or planetary positioning is for some karmic reasons. Now,

if rajyoga works or not - is something to do with the strength of

yoga (got to be full - partial has no significance or say relevant

influence; their dispositors must be powerful; must be free from

afflictions; must not lose strength in D charts and above all -

those planets must not be functional malefic for the lagna in

question). VRY becomes positive by cancellation of negatives

(6/8/12...Sanjay Rath ji has considered 3rd lord too; and he has

defined VRY from AL as well). Native gets the results from odd

circumstances (not possible for normally) ..example - native earning

from sick units; native earns disporportionally to its efforts (like

lawyer getting paid for not appearing in the court); native gains

from the fall of competitor etc. For its dispositor to give yoga in

full, all 6/8/12 must exchange.

>

> In the special issue of Times of Astrology (sometime in 1997/98),

role of 6/8/12 were discussed at length. My own chart has no

strength, other than VRY - so I have experienced the circumstances,

where i have always gained in odds.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by

countless cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What you do

in life depends upon what you are and what you want. What you get

from life depends upon how much you want it, how much you are

willing to work and plan and co-operate and use your resources. The

long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless

cables that you are spinning now, and that is why today is such an

important day. Make the cables strong!!

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:02:02 -0000

> >

> > Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What

damage?

> >

> > Dear SriGaneshji,

> >

> > ....Its true.Yes,

> >

> > The presence of Rajyogas in the horoscope does not guarantee,

> > that the native will see them.

> > The intensity of Rajyogas has to be seen,

> > The Bhanga Yogas have to be seen.

> > The planets connected - if the native is going to have that

> > Dasha coming to him or not has to be seen.

> > It may not come at all, or it may come too early,or in old age.

> > Past Karma is of course the main factor in deciding which Dasha

You

> > have to be born in,

> > The above are my personal comments.

> >

> > Pahle Prarabdh racha phir racha shareer.......

> >

> > Regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , "sriganeshh"

> > <sriganeshh@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Prafullaji, Bhaskarji and Prashantji,

> >>

> >> In this kaliyug, what is the meaning of this rajayogas and

VRY...?

> >> fructification of all this yogas are related to one's past karma

> > and

> >> simple presence of yogas does not alone guarantee anything to

> >> native..is it true..?

> >>

> >> sriganeshh

> >>

> >> , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> >> wrote:

> >>>

> >>> For VRY,it got to be full one -i.e. exchange of lords of

6/8/12,

> >> without any exception of lagna.

> >>> Partial yoga has hardly any significance in astrology. Yes,

that

> >> specific positioning / combination, can have its own effects -

but

> >> not VRY.

> >>>

> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>

> >>> The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by

> >> countless cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What

you do

> >> in life depends upon what you are and what you want. What you

get

> >> from life depends upon how much you want it, how much you are

> >> willing to work and plan and co-operate and use your resources.

The

> >> long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless

> >> cables that you are spinning now, and that is why today is such

an

> >> important day. Make the cables strong!!

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>> kgopu_24@

> >>>> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT)

> >>>>

> >>>> Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What

> >> damage?

> >>>>

> >>>> dear Mr.Haizen,

> >>>> does vipareeta raja yoga exists for Kumbha lagna if

> >>>> the lord of 12 saturn is in 6th or 8th 12th because

> >>>> here he happens to be lagna lord. kindly clarify.

> >>>>

> >>>> regards,

> >>>> k.gopu

> >>>>

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>

August 11, 2006

Yes, by adapting to the traits - In my opinion, native can avert even manglik dosha.

regards / Prafulla Gang

The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What you do in life depends upon what you are and what you want. What you get from life depends upon how much you want it, how much you are willing to work and plan and co-operate and use your resources. The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless cables that you are spinning now, and that is why today is such an important day. Make the cables strong!!