Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

[Guest guest]

Time: 5:40 am

Place: Jaipur, Raj, India

3rd October 1970

 

I read that VRY gives gain but causing some damage/daeath/downfall of

someone else...in terms of legacies etc. These are such petrifying

things, and one feels like I dont need this yoga...

 

When does my sade sati begin?

 

raushnee

[Guest guest]

Dear Raushnee,

 

VRY involves the lords of the dussthans, ie sixth, eighth and twelfth houses, and this is the only reason that it is not completely beneficial.

 

It brings the downfall of the native due to own faulty decisions and then gives him/her tremendous rise again.

 

VRY is bound to give monetary losses, bad health and a lot of enemies and rivals.

 

The VRY is more beneficial for those who are in dubious professions like smugglers, forgerers, scamsters, politicians, etc.

 

Your sade-sati from moon begins on 25th september 2010.

 

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

[The services of this professional astrologer are free on this group but off-group private consultations are chargeable]

 

 

 

 

 

-

raushnee333

Monday, 07 August, 2006 08:48

Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

 

 

Time: 5:40 am

Place: Jaipur, Raj, India

3rd October 1970

 

I read that VRY gives gain but causing some damage/daeath/downfall of

someone else...in terms of legacies etc. These are such petrifying

things, and one feels like I dont need this yoga...

 

When does my sade sati begin?

 

raushnee

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot, but you mean I have it (VRY) in my horoscope...and I'm

in none of the occupations mentioned(politician, smuggler...;-). So

how I am going to get affected or am I already under its effect

(coming abroad leaving my career etc......)

 

Can you also advise anything for me for Business (SOHO/SME)? When do

you see it happening if at all...I am asking because I am again at

the crossroads...coz I convinced myself to wait and watch here...but

should I study further here in US and get a job related to IT,Or can

I think of some business?

 

Of course with the learned peoples' advise on the forum I do not rest

my hopes on making anything big in terms of money or career or

fame...but just leading life of an ordinary person...can I get an

advise for my occupation/career. I would deeply appreciate it.

 

Regards

Raushnee

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- In , "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh wrote:

>

> Dear Raushnee,

>

> VRY involves the lords of the dussthans,

ie sixth, eighth and twelfth houses, and this is the only reason that

it is not completely beneficial.

>

> It brings the downfall of the native due to own faulty

decisions and then gives him/her tremendous rise again.

>

> VRY is bound to give monetary losses, bad health and a lot

of enemies and rivals.

>

> The VRY is more beneficial for those who are in dubious

professions like smugglers, forgerers, scamsters, politicians, etc.

>

> Your sade-sati from moon begins on 25th september 2010.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

group but off-group private consultations are chargeable]

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> raushnee333

>

> Monday, 07 August, 2006 08:48

> Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

>

>

> Time: 5:40 am

> Place: Jaipur, Raj, India

> 3rd October 1970

>

> I read that VRY gives gain but causing some

damage/daeath/downfall of

> someone else...in terms of legacies etc. These are such

petrifying

> things, and one feels like I dont need this yoga...

>

> When does my sade sati begin?

>

> raushnee

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot, but you mean I have it (VRY) in my horoscope...and I'm

in none of the occupations mentioned(politician, smuggler...;-). So

how I am going to get affected or am I already under its effect

(coming abroad leaving my career etc......)

 

Can you also advise anything for me for Business (SOHO/SME)? When do

you see it happening if at all...I am asking because I am again at

the crossroads...coz I convinced myself to wait and watch here...but

should I study further here in US and get a job related to IT,Or can

I think of some business?

 

Of course with the learned peoples' advise on the forum I do not rest

my hopes on making anything big in terms of money or career or

fame...but just leading life of an ordinary person...can I get an

advise for my occupation/career. I would deeply appreciate it.

 

Regards

Raushnee

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- In , "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh wrote:

>

> Dear Raushnee,

>

> VRY involves the lords of the dussthans,

ie sixth, eighth and twelfth houses, and this is the only reason that

it is not completely beneficial.

>

> It brings the downfall of the native due to own faulty

decisions and then gives him/her tremendous rise again.

>

> VRY is bound to give monetary losses, bad health and a lot

of enemies and rivals.

>

> The VRY is more beneficial for those who are in dubious

professions like smugglers, forgerers, scamsters, politicians, etc.

>

> Your sade-sati from moon begins on 25th september 2010.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

group but off-group private consultations are chargeable]

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> raushnee333

>

> Monday, 07 August, 2006 08:48

> Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

>

>

> Time: 5:40 am

> Place: Jaipur, Raj, India

> 3rd October 1970

>

> I read that VRY gives gain but causing some

damage/daeath/downfall of

> someone else...in terms of legacies etc. These are such

petrifying

> things, and one feels like I dont need this yoga...

>

> When does my sade sati begin?

>

> raushnee

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Raushnee,

 

I would just like to encourage you to focus on the

*rise* part of this kind of yoga. In general, the reason

why the Viparita has its *benefits* is because the

lords of the difficult 6, 8 and 12 houses are not

*spoiling* the good houses in the horoscope, such

as the trikona houses of 1, 5, 9, and the angular

houses of 1, 4, 7, and 10. In your case, the troublesome

6L and 8L are not in these good houses. So please

understand the workings of this yoga in depth. (Sun

as 12L in the 1H can indicate a lack of confidence

but is not a Viparita yoga.)

 

Since you're not one of deliberate criminal intent,

this yoga should be viewed as a natural part of your

life experiences, including those errors of decision or

mistakes you happen to make. If you have a Viparita,

it's like saying you're *supposed* to be making these

errors somewhere along the way. The good part is that

the yoga helps you to transcend and *rise* above those

experiences by learning the lessons they give and then

tapping into the drive and motivation that can come from

meeting these challenges in life and overcoming those

enemies, "sinful acts", or hardships. There's just so much

senseless negativity in astrology and so when people

see a yoga like this in their charts, they go into an

immediate fear reaction.

 

As an example of someone with this yoga, look at the

chart of politician Al Gore. He lost the US presidential

election and it looked like his public career was over.

However, he came back strongly in public life from this

bitter and (I feel) fated defeat and has a successful new

movie out on global warming called "An Inconvenient

Truth." He has risen again from the ashes of his past.

 

What no one has mentioned is when you should keep

an eye out for the potential losses and likely benefits

of this yoga. Since Saturn and Mars are the two planets

to keep an eye on, you will be in your Mars bhukti under

Saturn dasha between August of '08 and September '09.

This period can have to do with stresses on your health

and the possibility of financial losses...from which you

are to *rise* again, okay?

 

I'd really like to see more astrologers explaining these

yogas properly and thoroughly enough so people can

understand them and stop feeling victimized by their

own fate. We choose our charts. How do these yogas

get in our charts unless at a soul level we choose to

have them? Every yoga serves its own purpose and

we can better meet what life brings us by being forearmed

with proper knowledge and an attitude expectant of benefits

despite the hard knocks of life. People wouldn't be getting

the knowledge of some of these more difficult yogas unless

they were to profit from it. That's what helps us to meet our

destiny with courage rather than trepidation.

 

Haizen Paige

 

 

, "raushnee333" <raushnee333 wrote:

>

> Thanks a lot, but you mean I have it (VRY) in my horoscope...and I'm

> in none of the occupations mentioned(politician, smuggler...;-). So

> how I am going to get affected or am I already under its effect

> (coming abroad leaving my career etc......)

>

> Can you also advise anything for me for Business (SOHO/SME)? When do

> you see it happening if at all...I am asking because I am again at

> the crossroads...coz I convinced myself to wait and watch here...but

> should I study further here in US and get a job related to IT,Or can

> I think of some business?

>

> Of course with the learned peoples' advise on the forum I do not rest

> my hopes on making anything big in terms of money or career or

> fame...but just leading life of an ordinary person...can I get an

> advise for my occupation/career. I would deeply appreciate it.

>

> Regards

> Raushnee

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -- In , "astrologerashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Raushnee,

> >

> > VRY involves the lords of the dussthans,

> ie sixth, eighth and twelfth houses, and this is the only reason that

> it is not completely beneficial.

> >

> > It brings the downfall of the native due to own faulty

> decisions and then gives him/her tremendous rise again.

> >

> > VRY is bound to give monetary losses, bad health and a lot

> of enemies and rivals.

> >

> > The VRY is more beneficial for those who are in dubious

> professions like smugglers, forgerers, scamsters, politicians, etc.

> >

> > Your sade-sati from moon begins on 25th september 2010.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> > [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

> group but off-group private consultations are chargeable]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > raushnee333

> >

> > Monday, 07 August, 2006 08:48

> > Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

> >

> >

> > Time: 5:40 am

> > Place: Jaipur, Raj, India

> > 3rd October 1970

> >

> > I read that VRY gives gain but causing some

> damage/daeath/downfall of

> > someone else...in terms of legacies etc. These are such

> petrifying

> > things, and one feels like I dont need this yoga...

> >

> > When does my sade sati begin?

> >

> > raushnee

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Raushnee,

 

I gave some basic introduction to VRY, but it does not mean that you have VRY in your chart.

 

My words will surprise many who do not have deep knowledge of jyotish, but you do not have a Viprit Rajyoga.

 

It is not necessary that people with VRY should be in dubious professions. Whatever be the profession nowadays, some dubious and underhand activities are a necessary part of the job sector. Efforts to save taxes, undervalueing, overvalueing, etc, are all, in fact, somewhat dubious activities. Then, corruption has become an integral part of all jobs, government or private.

 

People with VRY are great risk-takers and they tend to live on the extremes.

 

Your coming to US and leaving job in India can be attributed to unfavorable dashas, not to VRY. One should not jump to conclusions by reading astrological yogas from softwares and books. The horoscope is always studied as a whole before making any predictions.

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

[The services of this professional astrologer are free on this group but off-group private consultations are chargeable]

 

 

 

 

-

raushnee333

Tuesday, 08 August, 2006 08:24

Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

 

 

Thanks a lot, but you mean I have it (VRY) in my horoscope...and I'm

in none of the occupations mentioned(politician, smuggler...;-). So

how I am going to get affected or am I already under its effect

(coming abroad leaving my career etc......)

 

Can you also advise anything for me for Business (SOHO/SME)? When do

you see it happening if at all...I am asking because I am again at

the crossroads...coz I convinced myself to wait and watch here...but

should I study further here in US and get a job related to IT,Or can

I think of some business?

 

Of course with the learned peoples' advise on the forum I do not rest

my hopes on making anything big in terms of money or career or

fame...but just leading life of an ordinary person...can I get an

advise for my occupation/career. I would deeply appreciate it.

 

Regards

Raushnee

 

-- In , "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh wrote:

>

> Dear Raushnee,

>

> VRY involves the lords of the dussthans,

ie sixth, eighth and twelfth houses, and this is the only reason that

it is not completely beneficial.

>

> It brings the downfall of the native due to own faulty

decisions and then gives him/her tremendous rise again.

>

> VRY is bound to give monetary losses, bad health and a lot

of enemies and rivals.

>

> The VRY is more beneficial for those who are in dubious

professions like smugglers, forgerers, scamsters, politicians, etc.

>

> Your sade-sati from moon begins on 25th september 2010.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

group but off-group private consultations are chargeable]

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> raushnee333

>

> Monday, 07 August, 2006 08:48

> Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

>

>

> Time: 5:40 am

> Place: Jaipur, Raj, India

> 3rd October 1970

>

> I read that VRY gives gain but causing some

damage/daeath/downfall of

> someone else...in terms of legacies etc. These are such

petrifying

> things, and one feels like I dont need this yoga...

>

> When does my sade sati begin?

>

> raushnee

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Haizen,

 

Do I also have VRY. My DoB15th Jan.1978, PoB Chennai(madras), India.

ToB 10.20AM. Unlike Raushnee, I don't mind doing something 'dubious',

considering I've got nothing to lose at any rate. Will I succeed?

 

Regards,

Suresh

 

, "haizen" <haizen wrote:

>

> Hi Raushnee,

>

> I would just like to encourage you to focus on the

> *rise* part of this kind of yoga. In general, the reason

> why the Viparita has its *benefits* is because the

> lords of the difficult 6, 8 and 12 houses are not

> *spoiling* the good houses in the horoscope, such

> as the trikona houses of 1, 5, 9, and the angular

> houses of 1, 4, 7, and 10. In your case, the troublesome

> 6L and 8L are not in these good houses. So please

> understand the workings of this yoga in depth. (Sun

> as 12L in the 1H can indicate a lack of confidence

> but is not a Viparita yoga.)

>

> Since you're not one of deliberate criminal intent,

> this yoga should be viewed as a natural part of your

> life experiences, including those errors of decision or

> mistakes you happen to make. If you have a Viparita,

> it's like saying you're *supposed* to be making these

> errors somewhere along the way. The good part is that

> the yoga helps you to transcend and *rise* above those

> experiences by learning the lessons they give and then

> tapping into the drive and motivation that can come from

> meeting these challenges in life and overcoming those

> enemies, "sinful acts", or hardships. There's just so much

> senseless negativity in astrology and so when people

> see a yoga like this in their charts, they go into an

> immediate fear reaction.

>

> As an example of someone with this yoga, look at the

> chart of politician Al Gore. He lost the US presidential

> election and it looked like his public career was over.

> However, he came back strongly in public life from this

> bitter and (I feel) fated defeat and has a successful new

> movie out on global warming called "An Inconvenient

> Truth." He has risen again from the ashes of his past.

>

> What no one has mentioned is when you should keep

> an eye out for the potential losses and likely benefits

> of this yoga. Since Saturn and Mars are the two planets

> to keep an eye on, you will be in your Mars bhukti under

> Saturn dasha between August of '08 and September '09.

> This period can have to do with stresses on your health

> and the possibility of financial losses...from which you

> are to *rise* again, okay?

>

> I'd really like to see more astrologers explaining these

> yogas properly and thoroughly enough so people can

> understand them and stop feeling victimized by their

> own fate. We choose our charts. How do these yogas

> get in our charts unless at a soul level we choose to

> have them? Every yoga serves its own purpose and

> we can better meet what life brings us by being forearmed

> with proper knowledge and an attitude expectant of benefits

> despite the hard knocks of life. People wouldn't be getting

> the knowledge of some of these more difficult yogas unless

> they were to profit from it. That's what helps us to meet our

> destiny with courage rather than trepidation.

>

> Haizen Paige

>

>

> , "raushnee333"

<raushnee333@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks a lot, but you mean I have it (VRY) in my horoscope...and I'm

> > in none of the occupations mentioned(politician, smuggler...;-). So

> > how I am going to get affected or am I already under its effect

> > (coming abroad leaving my career etc......)

> >

> > Can you also advise anything for me for Business (SOHO/SME)? When do

> > you see it happening if at all...I am asking because I am again at

> > the crossroads...coz I convinced myself to wait and watch here...but

> > should I study further here in US and get a job related to IT,Or can

> > I think of some business?

> >

> > Of course with the learned peoples' advise on the forum I do not rest

> > my hopes on making anything big in terms of money or career or

> > fame...but just leading life of an ordinary person...can I get an

> > advise for my occupation/career. I would deeply appreciate it.

> >

> > Regards

> > Raushnee

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -- In , "astrologerashutosh"

> > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Raushnee,

> > >

> > > VRY involves the lords of the dussthans,

> > ie sixth, eighth and twelfth houses, and this is the only reason that

> > it is not completely beneficial.

> > >

> > > It brings the downfall of the native due to own faulty

> > decisions and then gives him/her tremendous rise again.

> > >

> > > VRY is bound to give monetary losses, bad health and a lot

> > of enemies and rivals.

> > >

> > > The VRY is more beneficial for those who are in dubious

> > professions like smugglers, forgerers, scamsters, politicians, etc.

> > >

> > > Your sade-sati from moon begins on 25th september 2010.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Ashutosh

> > >

> > > [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

> > group but off-group private consultations are chargeable]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > raushnee333

> > >

> > > Monday, 07 August, 2006 08:48

> > > Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

> > >

> > >

> > > Time: 5:40 am

> > > Place: Jaipur, Raj, India

> > > 3rd October 1970

> > >

> > > I read that VRY gives gain but causing some

> > damage/daeath/downfall of

> > > someone else...in terms of legacies etc. These are such

> > petrifying

> > > things, and one feels like I dont need this yoga...

> > >

> > > When does my sade sati begin?

> > >

> > > raushnee

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Suresh,

 

Greetings!

 

According to the Phala Deepika, when the 12th lord is

in the 6th, 8th, or 12th house, there is a Viparita Vimala

Raja Yoga. You happen to have Saturn as your 12th lord

in the 6th. So congratulations. Unfortunately (wink wink),

you are not likely to be able to take full advantage of this

'dubious' yoga because you are currently running your

Venus dasha until 2016 and then enter your Sun dasha

after that. It's not until the year 2074 that you come into

the full power of your Saturn dasha and would be able to

take full advantage here. And besides, with Moon and Ketu

in Pisces in your Asc, you would probably discover that your

wife and kids would find out about your dubious activities

anyway even without telling you! It may be better to stick

to the straight and narrow and work like the dickens. Then

you get the rise without the possible confinement. ;-)

 

Best wishes, Haizen

 

 

 

, "suresh1511978" <suresh1511978

wrote:

>

> Hi Haizen,

>

> Do I also have VRY. My DoB15th Jan.1978, PoB Chennai(madras), India.

> ToB 10.20AM. Unlike Raushnee, I don't mind doing something 'dubious',

> considering I've got nothing to lose at any rate. Will I succeed?

>

> Regards,

> Suresh

>

> , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Raushnee,

> >

> > I would just like to encourage you to focus on the

> > *rise* part of this kind of yoga. In general, the reason

> > why the Viparita has its *benefits* is because the

> > lords of the difficult 6, 8 and 12 houses are not

> > *spoiling* the good houses in the horoscope, such

> > as the trikona houses of 1, 5, 9, and the angular

> > houses of 1, 4, 7, and 10. In your case, the troublesome

> > 6L and 8L are not in these good houses. So please

> > understand the workings of this yoga in depth. (Sun

> > as 12L in the 1H can indicate a lack of confidence

> > but is not a Viparita yoga.)

> >

> > Since you're not one of deliberate criminal intent,

> > this yoga should be viewed as a natural part of your

> > life experiences, including those errors of decision or

> > mistakes you happen to make. If you have a Viparita,

> > it's like saying you're *supposed* to be making these

> > errors somewhere along the way. The good part is that

> > the yoga helps you to transcend and *rise* above those

> > experiences by learning the lessons they give and then

> > tapping into the drive and motivation that can come from

> > meeting these challenges in life and overcoming those

> > enemies, "sinful acts", or hardships. There's just so much

> > senseless negativity in astrology and so when people

> > see a yoga like this in their charts, they go into an

> > immediate fear reaction.

> >

> > As an example of someone with this yoga, look at the

> > chart of politician Al Gore. He lost the US presidential

> > election and it looked like his public career was over.

> > However, he came back strongly in public life from this

> > bitter and (I feel) fated defeat and has a successful new

> > movie out on global warming called "An Inconvenient

> > Truth." He has risen again from the ashes of his past.

> >

> > What no one has mentioned is when you should keep

> > an eye out for the potential losses and likely benefits

> > of this yoga. Since Saturn and Mars are the two planets

> > to keep an eye on, you will be in your Mars bhukti under

> > Saturn dasha between August of '08 and September '09.

> > This period can have to do with stresses on your health

> > and the possibility of financial losses...from which you

> > are to *rise* again, okay?

> >

> > I'd really like to see more astrologers explaining these

> > yogas properly and thoroughly enough so people can

> > understand them and stop feeling victimized by their

> > own fate. We choose our charts. How do these yogas

> > get in our charts unless at a soul level we choose to

> > have them? Every yoga serves its own purpose and

> > we can better meet what life brings us by being forearmed

> > with proper knowledge and an attitude expectant of benefits

> > despite the hard knocks of life. People wouldn't be getting

> > the knowledge of some of these more difficult yogas unless

> > they were to profit from it. That's what helps us to meet our

> > destiny with courage rather than trepidation.

> >

> > Haizen Paige

> >

> >

> > , "raushnee333"

> <raushnee333@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot, but you mean I have it (VRY) in my horoscope...and I'm

> > > in none of the occupations mentioned(politician, smuggler...;-). So

> > > how I am going to get affected or am I already under its effect

> > > (coming abroad leaving my career etc......)

> > >

> > > Can you also advise anything for me for Business (SOHO/SME)? When do

> > > you see it happening if at all...I am asking because I am again at

> > > the crossroads...coz I convinced myself to wait and watch here...but

> > > should I study further here in US and get a job related to IT,Or can

> > > I think of some business?

> > >

> > > Of course with the learned peoples' advise on the forum I do not rest

> > > my hopes on making anything big in terms of money or career or

> > > fame...but just leading life of an ordinary person...can I get an

> > > advise for my occupation/career. I would deeply appreciate it.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Raushnee

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -- In , "astrologerashutosh"

> > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raushnee,

> > > >

> > > > VRY involves the lords of the dussthans,

> > > ie sixth, eighth and twelfth houses, and this is the only reason that

> > > it is not completely beneficial.

> > > >

> > > > It brings the downfall of the native due to own faulty

> > > decisions and then gives him/her tremendous rise again.

> > > >

> > > > VRY is bound to give monetary losses, bad health and a lot

> > > of enemies and rivals.

> > > >

> > > > The VRY is more beneficial for those who are in dubious

> > > professions like smugglers, forgerers, scamsters, politicians, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Your sade-sati from moon begins on 25th september 2010.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Ashutosh

> > > >

> > > > [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

> > > group but off-group private consultations are chargeable]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > raushnee333

> > > >

> > > > Monday, 07 August, 2006 08:48

> > > > Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Time: 5:40 am

> > > > Place: Jaipur, Raj, India

> > > > 3rd October 1970

> > > >

> > > > I read that VRY gives gain but causing some

> > > damage/daeath/downfall of

> > > > someone else...in terms of legacies etc. These are such

> > > petrifying

> > > > things, and one feels like I dont need this yoga...

> > > >

> > > > When does my sade sati begin?

> > > >

> > > > raushnee

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Shri Sanjay Rath ji has eleborated article on VRY on his wen www.srath.com (lessons section).

 

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

They say that when a man holds a woman’s hand before marriage is love; after marriage is self-defense.

 

 

>

> haizen (AT) haizen (DOT) com

> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 07:25:58 -0000

>

> Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

>

> Dear Suresh,

>

> Greetings!

>

> According to the Phala Deepika, when the 12th lord is

> in the 6th, 8th, or 12th house, there is a Viparita Vimala

> Raja Yoga. You happen to have Saturn as your 12th lord

> in the 6th. So congratulations. Unfortunately (wink wink),

> you are not likely to be able to take full advantage of this

> 'dubious' yoga because you are currently running your

> Venus dasha until 2016 and then enter your Sun dasha

> after that. It's not until the year 2074 that you come into

> the full power of your Saturn dasha and would be able to

> take full advantage here. And besides, with Moon and Ketu

> in Pisces in your Asc, you would probably discover that your

> wife and kids would find out about your dubious activities

> anyway even without telling you! It may be better to stick

> to the straight and narrow and work like the dickens. Then

> you get the rise without the possible confinement. ;-)

>

> Best wishes, Haizen

>

>

>

> , "suresh1511978"

> <suresh1511978

> wrote:

>>

>> Hi Haizen,

>>

>> Do I also have VRY. My DoB15th Jan.1978, PoB Chennai(madras), India.

>> ToB 10.20AM. Unlike Raushnee, I don't mind doing something 'dubious',

>> considering I've got nothing to lose at any rate. Will I succeed?

>>

>> Regards,

>> Suresh

>>

>> , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote:

>>>

>>> Hi Raushnee,

>>>

>>> I would just like to encourage you to focus on the

>>> *rise* part of this kind of yoga. In general, the reason

>>> why the Viparita has its *benefits* is because the

>>> lords of the difficult 6, 8 and 12 houses are not

>>> *spoiling* the good houses in the horoscope, such

>>> as the trikona houses of 1, 5, 9, and the angular

>>> houses of 1, 4, 7, and 10. In your case, the troublesome

>>> 6L and 8L are not in these good houses. So please

>>> understand the workings of this yoga in depth. (Sun

>>> as 12L in the 1H can indicate a lack of confidence

>>> but is not a Viparita yoga.)

>>>

>>> Since you're not one of deliberate criminal intent,

>>> this yoga should be viewed as a natural part of your

>>> life experiences, including those errors of decision or

>>> mistakes you happen to make. If you have a Viparita,

>>> it's like saying you're *supposed* to be making these

>>> errors somewhere along the way. The good part is that

>>> the yoga helps you to transcend and *rise* above those

>>> experiences by learning the lessons they give and then

>>> tapping into the drive and motivation that can come from

>>> meeting these challenges in life and overcoming those

>>> enemies, "sinful acts", or hardships. There's just so much

>>> senseless negativity in astrology and so when people

>>> see a yoga like this in their charts, they go into an

>>> immediate fear reaction.

>>>

>>> As an example of someone with this yoga, look at the

>>> chart of politician Al Gore. He lost the US presidential

>>> election and it looked like his public career was over.

>>> However, he came back strongly in public life from this

>>> bitter and (I feel) fated defeat and has a successful new

>>> movie out on global warming called "An Inconvenient

>>> Truth." He has risen again from the ashes of his past.

>>>

>>> What no one has mentioned is when you should keep

>>> an eye out for the potential losses and likely benefits

>>> of this yoga. Since Saturn and Mars are the two planets

>>> to keep an eye on, you will be in your Mars bhukti under

>>> Saturn dasha between August of '08 and September '09.

>>> This period can have to do with stresses on your health

>>> and the possibility of financial losses...from which you

>>> are to *rise* again, okay?

>>>

>>> I'd really like to see more astrologers explaining these

>>> yogas properly and thoroughly enough so people can

>>> understand them and stop feeling victimized by their

>>> own fate. We choose our charts. How do these yogas

>>> get in our charts unless at a soul level we choose to

>>> have them? Every yoga serves its own purpose and

>>> we can better meet what life brings us by being forearmed

>>> with proper knowledge and an attitude expectant of benefits

>>> despite the hard knocks of life. People wouldn't be getting

>>> the knowledge of some of these more difficult yogas unless

>>> they were to profit from it. That's what helps us to meet our

>>> destiny with courage rather than trepidation.

>>>

>>> Haizen Paige

>>>

>>>

>>> , "raushnee333"

>> <raushnee333@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Thanks a lot, but you mean I have it (VRY) in my horoscope...and I'm

>>>> in none of the occupations mentioned(politician, smuggler...;-). So

>>>> how I am going to get affected or am I already under its effect

>>>> (coming abroad leaving my career etc......)

>>>>

>>>> Can you also advise anything for me for Business (SOHO/SME)? When do

>>>> you see it happening if at all...I am asking because I am again at

>>>> the crossroads...coz I convinced myself to wait and watch here...but

>>>> should I study further here in US and get a job related to IT,Or can

>>>> I think of some business?

>>>>

>>>> Of course with the learned peoples' advise on the forum I do not rest

>>>> my hopes on making anything big in terms of money or career or

>>>> fame...but just leading life of an ordinary person...can I get an

>>>> advise for my occupation/career. I would deeply appreciate it.

>>>>

>>>> Regards

>>>> Raushnee

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -- In , "astrologerashutosh"

>>>> <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Raushnee,

>>>>>

>>>>> VRY involves the lords of the dussthans,

>>>> ie sixth, eighth and twelfth houses, and this is the only reason that

>>>> it is not completely beneficial.

>>>>>

>>>>> It brings the downfall of the native due to own faulty

>>>> decisions and then gives him/her tremendous rise again.

>>>>>

>>>>> VRY is bound to give monetary losses, bad health and a lot

>>>> of enemies and rivals.

>>>>>

>>>>> The VRY is more beneficial for those who are in dubious

>>>> professions like smugglers, forgerers, scamsters, politicians, etc.

>>>>>

>>>>> Your sade-sati from moon begins on 25th september 2010.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>

>>>>> Ashutosh

>>>>>

>>>>> [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

>>>> group but off-group private consultations are chargeable]

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> -

>>>>> raushnee333

>>>>>

>>>>> Monday, 07 August, 2006 08:48

>>>>> Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Time: 5:40 am

>>>>> Place: Jaipur, Raj, India

>>>>> 3rd October 1970

>>>>>

>>>>> I read that VRY gives gain but causing some

>>>> damage/daeath/downfall of

>>>>> someone else...in terms of legacies etc. These are such

>>>> petrifying

>>>>> things, and one feels like I dont need this yoga...

>>>>>

>>>>> When does my sade sati begin?

>>>>>

>>>>> raushnee

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Suresh,

Success is not a by product of any specific yoga. A chart

needs to be studied in totality for aspects, combinations, dasha`s

etc as a lot of these things influence the overall outcome. Moreover

the actual fructification time of any yoga might not be that much

depending upon the overall dasha`s.

 

Therefore remember that Hard Work is one of the good ways to Success.

 

Gaurav

 

 

, "suresh1511978"

<suresh1511978 wrote:

>

> Hi Haizen,

>

> Do I also have VRY. My DoB15th Jan.1978, PoB Chennai(madras), India.

> ToB 10.20AM. Unlike Raushnee, I don't mind doing

something 'dubious',

> considering I've got nothing to lose at any rate. Will I succeed?

>

> Regards,

> Suresh

>

> , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Raushnee,

> >

> > I would just like to encourage you to focus on the

> > *rise* part of this kind of yoga. In general, the reason

> > why the Viparita has its *benefits* is because the

> > lords of the difficult 6, 8 and 12 houses are not

> > *spoiling* the good houses in the horoscope, such

> > as the trikona houses of 1, 5, 9, and the angular

> > houses of 1, 4, 7, and 10. In your case, the troublesome

> > 6L and 8L are not in these good houses. So please

> > understand the workings of this yoga in depth. (Sun

> > as 12L in the 1H can indicate a lack of confidence

> > but is not a Viparita yoga.)

> >

> > Since you're not one of deliberate criminal intent,

> > this yoga should be viewed as a natural part of your

> > life experiences, including those errors of decision or

> > mistakes you happen to make. If you have a Viparita,

> > it's like saying you're *supposed* to be making these

> > errors somewhere along the way. The good part is that

> > the yoga helps you to transcend and *rise* above those

> > experiences by learning the lessons they give and then

> > tapping into the drive and motivation that can come from

> > meeting these challenges in life and overcoming those

> > enemies, "sinful acts", or hardships. There's just so much

> > senseless negativity in astrology and so when people

> > see a yoga like this in their charts, they go into an

> > immediate fear reaction.

> >

> > As an example of someone with this yoga, look at the

> > chart of politician Al Gore. He lost the US presidential

> > election and it looked like his public career was over.

> > However, he came back strongly in public life from this

> > bitter and (I feel) fated defeat and has a successful new

> > movie out on global warming called "An Inconvenient

> > Truth." He has risen again from the ashes of his past.

> >

> > What no one has mentioned is when you should keep

> > an eye out for the potential losses and likely benefits

> > of this yoga. Since Saturn and Mars are the two planets

> > to keep an eye on, you will be in your Mars bhukti under

> > Saturn dasha between August of '08 and September '09.

> > This period can have to do with stresses on your health

> > and the possibility of financial losses...from which you

> > are to *rise* again, okay?

> >

> > I'd really like to see more astrologers explaining these

> > yogas properly and thoroughly enough so people can

> > understand them and stop feeling victimized by their

> > own fate. We choose our charts. How do these yogas

> > get in our charts unless at a soul level we choose to

> > have them? Every yoga serves its own purpose and

> > we can better meet what life brings us by being forearmed

> > with proper knowledge and an attitude expectant of benefits

> > despite the hard knocks of life. People wouldn't be getting

> > the knowledge of some of these more difficult yogas unless

> > they were to profit from it. That's what helps us to meet our

> > destiny with courage rather than trepidation.

> >

> > Haizen Paige

> >

> >

> > , "raushnee333"

> <raushnee333@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot, but you mean I have it (VRY) in my

horoscope...and I'm

> > > in none of the occupations mentioned(politician, smuggler...;-

). So

> > > how I am going to get affected or am I already under its effect

> > > (coming abroad leaving my career etc......)

> > >

> > > Can you also advise anything for me for Business (SOHO/SME)?

When do

> > > you see it happening if at all...I am asking because I am again

at

> > > the crossroads...coz I convinced myself to wait and watch

here...but

> > > should I study further here in US and get a job related to

IT,Or can

> > > I think of some business?

> > >

> > > Of course with the learned peoples' advise on the forum I do

not rest

> > > my hopes on making anything big in terms of money or career or

> > > fame...but just leading life of an ordinary person...can I get

an

> > > advise for my occupation/career. I would deeply appreciate it.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Raushnee

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -- In , "astrologerashutosh"

> > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raushnee,

> > > >

> > > > VRY involves the lords of the

dussthans,

> > > ie sixth, eighth and twelfth houses, and this is the only

reason that

> > > it is not completely beneficial.

> > > >

> > > > It brings the downfall of the native due to own

faulty

> > > decisions and then gives him/her tremendous rise again.

> > > >

> > > > VRY is bound to give monetary losses, bad health and

a lot

> > > of enemies and rivals.

> > > >

> > > > The VRY is more beneficial for those who are in

dubious

> > > professions like smugglers, forgerers, scamsters, politicians,

etc.

> > > >

> > > > Your sade-sati from moon begins on 25th september

2010.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Ashutosh

> > > >

> > > > [The services of this professional astrologer are free on

this

> > > group but off-group private consultations are chargeable]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > raushnee333

> > > >

> > > > Monday, 07 August, 2006 08:48

> > > > Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What

damage?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Time: 5:40 am

> > > > Place: Jaipur, Raj, India

> > > > 3rd October 1970

> > > >

> > > > I read that VRY gives gain but causing some

> > > damage/daeath/downfall of

> > > > someone else...in terms of legacies etc. These are such

> > > petrifying

> > > > things, and one feels like I dont need this yoga...

> > > >

> > > > When does my sade sati begin?

> > > >

> > > > raushnee

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Haizen for making it interesting for me :-)

I am checking the replies after a while now, I know the concept

of "Phoenix" rising from the ashes...is quite inspiring.While VRY is

still pretty much debabtable going around here and I also cant stick

to digging into this alone. But one thing I do not understand that

why people warn against self medication or derivations. Obviously I

am not doing that and so I am coming to the forum to know about

it...better!

 

I still do not know about your verdict on my scope of career (service

or a small business (freelancing). Now peeking into bit of astrology

I know I am not meant for great shakes...the way I used to aspire and

spin dreams...and so may be am being more accomodating.

 

I am a PhD in science (Jupiter's grace), wound that up to no use by

choice(Jupiter suffers Kemadruma yoga)and went to chase my dreams

into the world of advertising and communications (Mercury is lord of

10th house).That ride has been roller coaster with job hops (Saturn

aspecting my career house and the career lord Mercury being placed

in 12th house and Gemini sign for ....shifting objectives, getting

bored easily?) but somewhere I had made a niche after 10 years of

struggle to identify myself in the corporate sector.

Living with optimism always and try seeing the light at the end of

the tunnel and having no problems in experimenting it once...I packed

my bags to US...though in complete awe being a non IT but after

coming here its been success coming like a limp woman and falling

somwhere on the road. I think Saturn-Sun (8th house occupant & 12th

house)I got into bit of astro reading for myself and more importantly

for my brother who is not keeping good health since the time I came

here (perhaps it is something chronic- Mars lord of 8th house and is

in 12th house...though I keep my hopes up for him to be alright...but

that has been the most devastating thing and has a lot of emotional

relevance to return to native land. Have been sabotaged twice by the

people who were supposed to file for work permit here in US (Saturn-

Sun)....also thought its high time I should have a baby but obviously

when I desire for it...it will go distant (debilitated saturn placed

in 8th House and aspecting the house progeny...also enemies and

workplace (6h)With our movement we incurred losses rather than gains

but also kept patience to rather level down the losses....

My spouse's career is also not swinging that very high. I would say

he has just a feather in his cap only as far earning go...and that

too when he divides it with a non earning person...that feather is

just a scanty haired or drenched piece of vanity!

 

So the key quest is whats in it for me now...workwise...I ought to be

working and earning....what do you advise...a career there in India

or US (I think India)? Or something to work out in US (bleak

possibility... non techie and has no work permit till october 2007 at

least...and my supposed to be better phase Saturn- Moon goes may be

without giving me much here and then comes Saturn-Mars the two

enemies again to once again make me dance to the tunes of destiny.....

 

, "haizen" <haizen wrote:

>

> Hi Raushnee,

>

> I would just like to encourage you to focus on the

> *rise* part of this kind of yoga. In general, the reason

> why the Viparita has its *benefits* is because the

> lords of the difficult 6, 8 and 12 houses are not

> *spoiling* the good houses in the horoscope, such

> as the trikona houses of 1, 5, 9, and the angular

> houses of 1, 4, 7, and 10. In your case, the troublesome

> 6L and 8L are not in these good houses. So please

> understand the workings of this yoga in depth. (Sun

> as 12L in the 1H can indicate a lack of confidence

> but is not a Viparita yoga.)

>

> Since you're not one of deliberate criminal intent,

> this yoga should be viewed as a natural part of your

> life experiences, including those errors of decision or

> mistakes you happen to make. If you have a Viparita,

> it's like saying you're *supposed* to be making these

> errors somewhere along the way. The good part is that

> the yoga helps you to transcend and *rise* above those

> experiences by learning the lessons they give and then

> tapping into the drive and motivation that can come from

> meeting these challenges in life and overcoming those

> enemies, "sinful acts", or hardships. There's just so much

> senseless negativity in astrology and so when people

> see a yoga like this in their charts, they go into an

> immediate fear reaction.

>

> As an example of someone with this yoga, look at the

> chart of politician Al Gore. He lost the US presidential

> election and it looked like his public career was over.

> However, he came back strongly in public life from this

> bitter and (I feel) fated defeat and has a successful new

> movie out on global warming called "An Inconvenient

> Truth." He has risen again from the ashes of his past.

>

> What no one has mentioned is when you should keep

> an eye out for the potential losses and likely benefits

> of this yoga. Since Saturn and Mars are the two planets

> to keep an eye on, you will be in your Mars bhukti under

> Saturn dasha between August of '08 and September '09.

> This period can have to do with stresses on your health

> and the possibility of financial losses...from which you

> are to *rise* again, okay?

>

> I'd really like to see more astrologers explaining these

> yogas properly and thoroughly enough so people can

> understand them and stop feeling victimized by their

> own fate. We choose our charts. How do these yogas

> get in our charts unless at a soul level we choose to

> have them? Every yoga serves its own purpose and

> we can better meet what life brings us by being forearmed

> with proper knowledge and an attitude expectant of benefits

> despite the hard knocks of life. People wouldn't be getting

> the knowledge of some of these more difficult yogas unless

> they were to profit from it. That's what helps us to meet our

> destiny with courage rather than trepidation.

>

> Haizen Paige

>

>

> , "raushnee333"

<raushnee333@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks a lot, but you mean I have it (VRY) in my horoscope...and

I'm

> > in none of the occupations mentioned(politician, smuggler...;-).

So

> > how I am going to get affected or am I already under its effect

> > (coming abroad leaving my career etc......)

> >

> > Can you also advise anything for me for Business (SOHO/SME)? When

do

> > you see it happening if at all...I am asking because I am again

at

> > the crossroads...coz I convinced myself to wait and watch

here...but

> > should I study further here in US and get a job related to IT,Or

can

> > I think of some business?

> >

> > Of course with the learned peoples' advise on the forum I do not

rest

> > my hopes on making anything big in terms of money or career or

> > fame...but just leading life of an ordinary person...can I get an

> > advise for my occupation/career. I would deeply appreciate it.

> >

> > Regards

> > Raushnee

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -- In , "astrologerashutosh"

> > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Raushnee,

> > >

> > > VRY involves the lords of the

dussthans,

> > ie sixth, eighth and twelfth houses, and this is the only reason

that

> > it is not completely beneficial.

> > >

> > > It brings the downfall of the native due to own faulty

> > decisions and then gives him/her tremendous rise again.

> > >

> > > VRY is bound to give monetary losses, bad health and a

lot

> > of enemies and rivals.

> > >

> > > The VRY is more beneficial for those who are in dubious

> > professions like smugglers, forgerers, scamsters, politicians,

etc.

> > >

> > > Your sade-sati from moon begins on 25th september 2010.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Ashutosh

> > >

> > > [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

> > group but off-group private consultations are chargeable]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > raushnee333

> > >

> > > Monday, 07 August, 2006 08:48

> > > Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What

damage?

> > >

> > >

> > > Time: 5:40 am

> > > Place: Jaipur, Raj, India

> > > 3rd October 1970

> > >

> > > I read that VRY gives gain but causing some

> > damage/daeath/downfall of

> > > someone else...in terms of legacies etc. These are such

> > petrifying

> > > things, and one feels like I dont need this yoga...

> > >

> > > When does my sade sati begin?

> > >

> > > raushnee

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

dear Mr.Haizen,

does vipareeta raja yoga exists for Kumbha lagna if

the lord of 12 saturn is in 6th or 8th 12th because

here he happens to be lagna lord. kindly clarify.

 

regards,

k.gopu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

For VRY,it got to be full one -i.e. exchange of lords of 6/8/12, without any exception of lagna.

Partial yoga has hardly any significance in astrology. Yes, that specific positioning / combination, can have its own effects - but not VRY.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What you do in life depends upon what you are and what you want. What you get from life depends upon how much you want it, how much you are willing to work and plan and co-operate and use your resources. The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless cables that you are spinning now, and that is why today is such an important day. Make the cables strong!!

 

 

>

> kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk

> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

>

> dear Mr.Haizen,

> does vipareeta raja yoga exists for Kumbha lagna if

> the lord of 12 saturn is in 6th or 8th 12th because

> here he happens to be lagna lord. kindly clarify.

>

> regards,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear K Gopu:

 

One astrologer's opinion.

 

Speaking in terms of general effects and not with

regard to any specific chart as a whole...Even with

Khumbha as lagna and Sani ruling both 1H and 12H,

a Viparita is still possible. Despite the challenges this

yoga can bring before the opportunity of rise and gain

under normal circumstances, it can indicate that Sani

may be stronger and more influential than it appears.

But the rewards must be earned.

 

There are three possibilities for Khumbha lagna: (1)

Sani's power comes from aspecting its own 12H if

placed in the 6th. (2) Sani's power comes from being

in one of its home signs, and house, if placed in the

12th. And (3), the most challenging is when Sani is in

the 8th, because it has neither of the two previous

advantages. Nevertheless, Sani is still out of the

trikona and kendra houses and the other house

lordships may gain from this relief. With option 3,

one would look to the strength of the 8H lord to help

out 8H affairs or fortunate aspects to the 8H itself.

The burdens could be heavy, but the resulting strength

could be tremendous. Some charts have this advantage,

and some don't.

 

The 8th is connected with sudden rises or falls,

sometimes of a very fated and destined nature. As

all houses have both an external and internal meaning,

this yoga should be understood on both levels to

appreciate the relationship between the potential

hardships and possible gains. One gains inwardly

as well, in terms of character, and can develop great

worldly wisdom. This could be the chart of someone

who has the possibility of offering great personal service

to the world, but the health must be watched as well

because the risks of accident or illness could be greater.

 

Look for benefic aspects to the lagna or its lord to help

the health and 1H affairs. Strengthen Shukra, if needed,

so the person can truly enjoy their labors. Be cautious

with what you do with Budha because of its connection

with 8H affairs. (If in doubt, do propitiations for Budha

rather than strengthening measures with a gem. A Budha

mantra is also the safest measure.) Also look to see how

Chandra is situated and whether it's afflicting anything in

the chart as 6L of problems and conflicts. Look to Budha

as 8L for the same possibilities, keeping in mind its potential

benefits as 5L of good fortune.

 

Also check to see if the person will be running Sani in the

dashas. If no Sani dasha in this life-time, the challenges

may not be as great. If Sani period comes, the efforts within

this 19-year cycle can carry the person a long way in life,

even if those around him are not as hard-working or as

inclined toward such service, effort, or seclusion. Sani in the

8H can be very resourceful.

 

Khumbha relates to the person's role with regard to the

betterment of humanity as a whole. In less evolved charts,

the person is likely to feel victimized by life and miss the

opportunities that come by learning from one's mistakes

and failures, or fate could intervene before the rewards are

realized. As with all charts, there are other house lordships

to consider in order to evaluate how this yoga works, but this

yoga is not rare. Now that Saturn is in Cancer, approximately

two hours every day, any one born with Khumbha lagna will

have this yoga - and that's thousands of people a day. Plus,

people are meant to profit from their knowledge of this yoga

or the information probably wouldn't have been fated to come

to them. To be forewarned, in the best sense of the word, is

to be forearmed.

 

Others are welcome to disagree or add to what has been

said here. These are merely my personal observances.

 

Best wishes, Haizen Paige

 

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> dear Mr.Haizen,

> does vipareeta raja yoga exists for Kumbha lagna if

> the lord of 12 saturn is in 6th or 8th 12th because

> here he happens to be lagna lord. kindly clarify.

>

> regards,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Haizen

 

Very well said. Yes, dispositor has greater role for VRY, and perhaps that is why, it got to be complete yoga. Partial yoga can still suffer from its dispositor's placements (moon / mercury).

 

12th lord shani will aspect its own bhava from 6th and will fortify its issues. Also, LL in 6th will enable a person to meet the challenges (house of continuity - esp where 6th house is bhagya of karma and karma of bhagya).

 

One may refer to the article by Shri Sanjay Rath (www.srath.com - lesson section). Yes, uttarkalamrta does not talk about role of 3rd lord in VRY. It gives results from the circumstances, where other fails, or bless the results with disproportionate efforts. I do not to VRY with dubious means (referred on another thread) or that, it gives the results after struggle. Perhaps 6th house is the key to evaluate the nature of hardwork, it may demand from native.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What you do in life depends upon what you are and what you want. What you get from life depends upon how much you want it, how much you are willing to work and plan and co-operate and use your resources. The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless cables that you are spinning now, and that is why today is such an important day. Make the cables strong!!

 

 

>

> haizen (AT) haizen (DOT) com

> Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:05:41 -0000

>

> Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

>

> Dear K Gopu:

>

> One astrologer's opinion.

>

> Speaking in terms of general effects and not with

> regard to any specific chart as a whole...Even with

> Khumbha as lagna and Sani ruling both 1H and 12H,

> a Viparita is still possible. Despite the challenges this

> yoga can bring before the opportunity of rise and gain

> under normal circumstances, it can indicate that Sani

> may be stronger and more influential than it appears.

> But the rewards must be earned.

>

> There are three possibilities for Khumbha lagna: (1)

> Sani's power comes from aspecting its own 12H if

> placed in the 6th. (2) Sani's power comes from being

> in one of its home signs, and house, if placed in the

> 12th. And (3), the most challenging is when Sani is in

> the 8th, because it has neither of the two previous

> advantages. Nevertheless, Sani is still out of the

> trikona and kendra houses and the other house

> lordships may gain from this relief. With option 3,

> one would look to the strength of the 8H lord to help

> out 8H affairs or fortunate aspects to the 8H itself.

> The burdens could be heavy, but the resulting strength

> could be tremendous. Some charts have this advantage,

> and some don't.

>

> The 8th is connected with sudden rises or falls,

> sometimes of a very fated and destined nature. As

> all houses have both an external and internal meaning,

> this yoga should be understood on both levels to

> appreciate the relationship between the potential

> hardships and possible gains. One gains inwardly

> as well, in terms of character, and can develop great

> worldly wisdom. This could be the chart of someone

> who has the possibility of offering great personal service

> to the world, but the health must be watched as well

> because the risks of accident or illness could be greater.

>

> Look for benefic aspects to the lagna or its lord to help

> the health and 1H affairs. Strengthen Shukra, if needed,

> so the person can truly enjoy their labors. Be cautious

> with what you do with Budha because of its connection

> with 8H affairs. (If in doubt, do propitiations for Budha

> rather than strengthening measures with a gem. A Budha

> mantra is also the safest measure.) Also look to see how

> Chandra is situated and whether it's afflicting anything in

> the chart as 6L of problems and conflicts. Look to Budha

> as 8L for the same possibilities, keeping in mind its potential

> benefits as 5L of good fortune.

>

> Also check to see if the person will be running Sani in the

> dashas. If no Sani dasha in this life-time, the challenges

> may not be as great. If Sani period comes, the efforts within

> this 19-year cycle can carry the person a long way in life,

> even if those around him are not as hard-working or as

> inclined toward such service, effort, or seclusion. Sani in the

> 8H can be very resourceful.

>

> Khumbha relates to the person's role with regard to the

> betterment of humanity as a whole. In less evolved charts,

> the person is likely to feel victimized by life and miss the

> opportunities that come by learning from one's mistakes

> and failures, or fate could intervene before the rewards are

> realized. As with all charts, there are other house lordships

> to consider in order to evaluate how this yoga works, but this

> yoga is not rare. Now that Saturn is in Cancer, approximately

> two hours every day, any one born with Khumbha lagna will

> have this yoga - and that's thousands of people a day. Plus,

> people are meant to profit from their knowledge of this yoga

> or the information probably wouldn't have been fated to come

> to them. To be forewarned, in the best sense of the word, is

> to be forearmed.

>

> Others are welcome to disagree or add to what has been

> said here. These are merely my personal observances.

>

> Best wishes, Haizen Paige

>

>

> , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>>

>> dear Mr.Haizen,

>> does vipareeta raja yoga exists for Kumbha lagna if

>> the lord of 12 saturn is in 6th or 8th 12th because

>> here he happens to be lagna lord. kindly clarify.

>>

>> regards,

>> k.gopu

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Raushnee,

 

You'll be the best judge of whether this yoga exists for you

or not. But haven't you just described part of your life as a

"roller-coaster" existence? What is a "roller-coaster" existence

but a rise and fall, only to rise again? I'd call that a Viparita

yoga. And that's why I hold to my particular view of this yoga,

because you've just described it perfectly, though others say

this yoga doesn't exist under the circumstances I've described

and you don't happen to have it. Strange irony here... and I

mention all this because I like to make people think, and the

reason why some of these yogas may or may not work is

rather interesting. To really answer your question about this

yoga to your own satisfaction, you'll probably have to become

an astrologer yourself. But it's a wonderful study and I'm sure

others can steer you to some nice books.

 

I'll have to leave it to others to help you fill in your career

picture, as it would require a great deal of time on my part to

delve into it thoroughly and match cycles, etc. I am not always

a fast worker and I don't like to give answers off the top of my

head.

 

In the meantime, I encourage you and everyone not to be

bullied by anyone's authority. That's why I always preface

my explanation by saying it's my opinion. I do not like

to see people bullied or to see people treated as children

with absolute-sounding predictions being handed out

like candy or medicine. We're here to understand our charts

and confirm from within what other people might say is right

for us. And yet how many accept these predictions at face value

and suffer the consequences when they go terribly wrong? Let's

for a moment say that the astrologer has a 90 percent success

rate for matching a happy marriage. Sounds pretty good, doesn't

it? But how many astrologers on this newsgroup or elsewhere

ever talk about the other 10 percent of their matchings where the

couple is completely miserable? That's the problem when any

prediction is followed blindly and such marriages are not evaluated

through heart and logic as well and are dependent upon astrology

*alone*. If the astrologer claims responsibility for their successes,

then they should do the same for their failures, and how many do?

And if they don't, how many of them profit from their mistakes?

Hard to tell! I mention all the this because the average person

can be confused by all this conjecture among astrologers. If

possible, the person needs to educate himself/herself on the

matter and decide for himself.

 

That's why I like making people think more about their own lives

and what's within their own hearts. I don't believe in treating adults

like children, and there should be more dialog between the

astrologer and clients to really understand some of the complaints

and subtle needs they have and not superimpose something on them

that might be completely wrong.

 

One astrologer's view.

 

Best wishes, Haizen Paige

 

 

, "raushnee333" <raushnee333 wrote:

>

> Thanks Haizen for making it interesting for me :-)

> I am checking the replies after a while now, I know the concept

> of "Phoenix" rising from the ashes...is quite inspiring.While VRY is

> still pretty much debabtable going around here and I also cant stick

> to digging into this alone. But one thing I do not understand that

> why people warn against self medication or derivations. Obviously I

> am not doing that and so I am coming to the forum to know about

> it...better!

>

> I still do not know about your verdict on my scope of career (service

> or a small business (freelancing). Now peeking into bit of astrology

> I know I am not meant for great shakes...the way I used to aspire and

> spin dreams...and so may be am being more accomodating.

>

> I am a PhD in science (Jupiter's grace), wound that up to no use by

> choice(Jupiter suffers Kemadruma yoga)and went to chase my dreams

> into the world of advertising and communications (Mercury is lord of

> 10th house).That ride has been roller coaster with job hops (Saturn

> aspecting my career house and the career lord Mercury being placed

> in 12th house and Gemini sign for ....shifting objectives, getting

> bored easily?) but somewhere I had made a niche after 10 years of

> struggle to identify myself in the corporate sector.

> Living with optimism always and try seeing the light at the end of

> the tunnel and having no problems in experimenting it once...I packed

> my bags to US...though in complete awe being a non IT but after

> coming here its been success coming like a limp woman and falling

> somwhere on the road. I think Saturn-Sun (8th house occupant & 12th

> house)I got into bit of astro reading for myself and more importantly

> for my brother who is not keeping good health since the time I came

> here (perhaps it is something chronic- Mars lord of 8th house and is

> in 12th house...though I keep my hopes up for him to be alright...but

> that has been the most devastating thing and has a lot of emotional

> relevance to return to native land. Have been sabotaged twice by the

> people who were supposed to file for work permit here in US (Saturn-

> Sun)....also thought its high time I should have a baby but obviously

> when I desire for it...it will go distant (debilitated saturn placed

> in 8th House and aspecting the house progeny...also enemies and

> workplace (6h)With our movement we incurred losses rather than gains

> but also kept patience to rather level down the losses....

> My spouse's career is also not swinging that very high. I would say

> he has just a feather in his cap only as far earning go...and that

> too when he divides it with a non earning person...that feather is

> just a scanty haired or drenched piece of vanity!

>

> So the key quest is whats in it for me now...workwise...I ought to be

> working and earning....what do you advise...a career there in India

> or US (I think India)? Or something to work out in US (bleak

> possibility... non techie and has no work permit till october 2007 at

> least...and my supposed to be better phase Saturn- Moon goes may be

> without giving me much here and then comes Saturn-Mars the two

> enemies again to once again make me dance to the tunes of destiny.....

>

>

> , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Raushnee,

> >

> > I would just like to encourage you to focus on the

> > *rise* part of this kind of yoga. In general, the reason

> > why the Viparita has its *benefits* is because the

> > lords of the difficult 6, 8 and 12 houses are not

> > *spoiling* the good houses in the horoscope, such

> > as the trikona houses of 1, 5, 9, and the angular

> > houses of 1, 4, 7, and 10. In your case, the troublesome

> > 6L and 8L are not in these good houses. So please

> > understand the workings of this yoga in depth. (Sun

> > as 12L in the 1H can indicate a lack of confidence

> > but is not a Viparita yoga.)

> >

> > Since you're not one of deliberate criminal intent,

> > this yoga should be viewed as a natural part of your

> > life experiences, including those errors of decision or

> > mistakes you happen to make. If you have a Viparita,

> > it's like saying you're *supposed* to be making these

> > errors somewhere along the way. The good part is that

> > the yoga helps you to transcend and *rise* above those

> > experiences by learning the lessons they give and then

> > tapping into the drive and motivation that can come from

> > meeting these challenges in life and overcoming those

> > enemies, "sinful acts", or hardships. There's just so much

> > senseless negativity in astrology and so when people

> > see a yoga like this in their charts, they go into an

> > immediate fear reaction.

> >

> > As an example of someone with this yoga, look at the

> > chart of politician Al Gore. He lost the US presidential

> > election and it looked like his public career was over.

> > However, he came back strongly in public life from this

> > bitter and (I feel) fated defeat and has a successful new

> > movie out on global warming called "An Inconvenient

> > Truth." He has risen again from the ashes of his past.

> >

> > What no one has mentioned is when you should keep

> > an eye out for the potential losses and likely benefits

> > of this yoga. Since Saturn and Mars are the two planets

> > to keep an eye on, you will be in your Mars bhukti under

> > Saturn dasha between August of '08 and September '09.

> > This period can have to do with stresses on your health

> > and the possibility of financial losses...from which you

> > are to *rise* again, okay?

> >

> > I'd really like to see more astrologers explaining these

> > yogas properly and thoroughly enough so people can

> > understand them and stop feeling victimized by their

> > own fate. We choose our charts. How do these yogas

> > get in our charts unless at a soul level we choose to

> > have them? Every yoga serves its own purpose and

> > we can better meet what life brings us by being forearmed

> > with proper knowledge and an attitude expectant of benefits

> > despite the hard knocks of life. People wouldn't be getting

> > the knowledge of some of these more difficult yogas unless

> > they were to profit from it. That's what helps us to meet our

> > destiny with courage rather than trepidation.

> >

> > Haizen Paige

> >

> >

> > , "raushnee333"

> <raushnee333@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot, but you mean I have it (VRY) in my horoscope...and

> I'm

> > > in none of the occupations mentioned(politician, smuggler...;-).

> So

> > > how I am going to get affected or am I already under its effect

> > > (coming abroad leaving my career etc......)

> > >

> > > Can you also advise anything for me for Business (SOHO/SME)? When

> do

> > > you see it happening if at all...I am asking because I am again

> at

> > > the crossroads...coz I convinced myself to wait and watch

> here...but

> > > should I study further here in US and get a job related to IT,Or

> can

> > > I think of some business?

> > >

> > > Of course with the learned peoples' advise on the forum I do not

> rest

> > > my hopes on making anything big in terms of money or career or

> > > fame...but just leading life of an ordinary person...can I get an

> > > advise for my occupation/career. I would deeply appreciate it.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Raushnee

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -- In , "astrologerashutosh"

> > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raushnee,

> > > >

> > > > VRY involves the lords of the

> dussthans,

> > > ie sixth, eighth and twelfth houses, and this is the only reason

> that

> > > it is not completely beneficial.

> > > >

> > > > It brings the downfall of the native due to own faulty

> > > decisions and then gives him/her tremendous rise again.

> > > >

> > > > VRY is bound to give monetary losses, bad health and a

> lot

> > > of enemies and rivals.

> > > >

> > > > The VRY is more beneficial for those who are in dubious

> > > professions like smugglers, forgerers, scamsters, politicians,

> etc.

> > > >

> > > > Your sade-sati from moon begins on 25th september 2010.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Ashutosh

> > > >

> > > > [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

> > > group but off-group private consultations are chargeable]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > raushnee333

> > > >

> > > > Monday, 07 August, 2006 08:48

> > > > Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What

> damage?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Time: 5:40 am

> > > > Place: Jaipur, Raj, India

> > > > 3rd October 1970

> > > >

> > > > I read that VRY gives gain but causing some

> > > damage/daeath/downfall of

> > > > someone else...in terms of legacies etc. These are such

> > > petrifying

> > > > things, and one feels like I dont need this yoga...

> > > >

> > > > When does my sade sati begin?

> > > >

> > > > raushnee

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Prafullaji, Bhaskarji and Prashantji,

 

In this kaliyug, what is the meaning of this rajayogas and VRY...?

fructification of all this yogas are related to one's past karma and

simple presence of yogas does not alone guarantee anything to

native..is it true..?

 

sriganeshh

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> For VRY,it got to be full one -i.e. exchange of lords of 6/8/12,

without any exception of lagna.

> Partial yoga has hardly any significance in astrology. Yes, that

specific positioning / combination, can have its own effects - but

not VRY.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by

countless cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What you do

in life depends upon what you are and what you want. What you get

from life depends upon how much you want it, how much you are

willing to work and plan and co-operate and use your resources. The

long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless

cables that you are spinning now, and that is why today is such an

important day. Make the cables strong!!

>

>

> >

> > kgopu_24

> > Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What

damage?

> >

> > dear Mr.Haizen,

> > does vipareeta raja yoga exists for Kumbha lagna if

> > the lord of 12 saturn is in 6th or 8th 12th because

> > here he happens to be lagna lord. kindly clarify.

> >

> > regards,

> > k.gopu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Gopu,

 

for kumbha lagna saturn being lagna lord, it has different other

takes and no VRY..

 

sriganeshh

 

, "haizen" <haizen wrote:

>

> Dear K Gopu:

>

> One astrologer's opinion.

>

> Speaking in terms of general effects and not with

> regard to any specific chart as a whole...Even with

> Khumbha as lagna and Sani ruling both 1H and 12H,

> a Viparita is still possible. Despite the challenges this

> yoga can bring before the opportunity of rise and gain

> under normal circumstances, it can indicate that Sani

> may be stronger and more influential than it appears.

> But the rewards must be earned.

>

> There are three possibilities for Khumbha lagna: (1)

> Sani's power comes from aspecting its own 12H if

> placed in the 6th. (2) Sani's power comes from being

> in one of its home signs, and house, if placed in the

> 12th. And (3), the most challenging is when Sani is in

> the 8th, because it has neither of the two previous

> advantages. Nevertheless, Sani is still out of the

> trikona and kendra houses and the other house

> lordships may gain from this relief. With option 3,

> one would look to the strength of the 8H lord to help

> out 8H affairs or fortunate aspects to the 8H itself.

> The burdens could be heavy, but the resulting strength

> could be tremendous. Some charts have this advantage,

> and some don't.

>

> The 8th is connected with sudden rises or falls,

> sometimes of a very fated and destined nature. As

> all houses have both an external and internal meaning,

> this yoga should be understood on both levels to

> appreciate the relationship between the potential

> hardships and possible gains. One gains inwardly

> as well, in terms of character, and can develop great

> worldly wisdom. This could be the chart of someone

> who has the possibility of offering great personal service

> to the world, but the health must be watched as well

> because the risks of accident or illness could be greater.

>

> Look for benefic aspects to the lagna or its lord to help

> the health and 1H affairs. Strengthen Shukra, if needed,

> so the person can truly enjoy their labors. Be cautious

> with what you do with Budha because of its connection

> with 8H affairs. (If in doubt, do propitiations for Budha

> rather than strengthening measures with a gem. A Budha

> mantra is also the safest measure.) Also look to see how

> Chandra is situated and whether it's afflicting anything in

> the chart as 6L of problems and conflicts. Look to Budha

> as 8L for the same possibilities, keeping in mind its potential

> benefits as 5L of good fortune.

>

> Also check to see if the person will be running Sani in the

> dashas. If no Sani dasha in this life-time, the challenges

> may not be as great. If Sani period comes, the efforts within

> this 19-year cycle can carry the person a long way in life,

> even if those around him are not as hard-working or as

> inclined toward such service, effort, or seclusion. Sani in the

> 8H can be very resourceful.

>

> Khumbha relates to the person's role with regard to the

> betterment of humanity as a whole. In less evolved charts,

> the person is likely to feel victimized by life and miss the

> opportunities that come by learning from one's mistakes

> and failures, or fate could intervene before the rewards are

> realized. As with all charts, there are other house lordships

> to consider in order to evaluate how this yoga works, but this

> yoga is not rare. Now that Saturn is in Cancer, approximately

> two hours every day, any one born with Khumbha lagna will

> have this yoga - and that's thousands of people a day. Plus,

> people are meant to profit from their knowledge of this yoga

> or the information probably wouldn't have been fated to come

> to them. To be forewarned, in the best sense of the word, is

> to be forearmed.

>

> Others are welcome to disagree or add to what has been

> said here. These are merely my personal observances.

>

> Best wishes, Haizen Paige

>

>

> , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> >

> > dear Mr.Haizen,

> > does vipareeta raja yoga exists for Kumbha lagna if

> > the lord of 12 saturn is in 6th or 8th 12th because

> > here he happens to be lagna lord. kindly clarify.

> >

> > regards,

> > k.gopu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear SriGaneshji,

 

.....Its true.Yes,

 

The presence of Rajyogas in the horoscope does not guarantee,

that the native will see them.

The intensity of Rajyogas has to be seen,

The Bhanga Yogas have to be seen.

The planets connected - if the native is going to have that

Dasha coming to him or not has to be seen.

It may not come at all, or it may come too early,or in old age.

Past Karma is of course the main factor in deciding which Dasha You

have to be born in,

The above are my personal comments.

 

Pahle Prarabdh racha phir racha shareer.......

 

 

Regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, "sriganeshh"

<sriganeshh wrote:

>

> Dear Prafullaji, Bhaskarji and Prashantji,

>

> In this kaliyug, what is the meaning of this rajayogas and VRY...?

> fructification of all this yogas are related to one's past karma

and

> simple presence of yogas does not alone guarantee anything to

> native..is it true..?

>

> sriganeshh

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > For VRY,it got to be full one -i.e. exchange of lords of 6/8/12,

> without any exception of lagna.

> > Partial yoga has hardly any significance in astrology. Yes, that

> specific positioning / combination, can have its own effects - but

> not VRY.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by

> countless cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What you do

> in life depends upon what you are and what you want. What you get

> from life depends upon how much you want it, how much you are

> willing to work and plan and co-operate and use your resources. The

> long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless

> cables that you are spinning now, and that is why today is such an

> important day. Make the cables strong!!

> >

> >

> > >

> > > kgopu_24@

> > > Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT)

> > >

> > > Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What

> damage?

> > >

> > > dear Mr.Haizen,

> > > does vipareeta raja yoga exists for Kumbha lagna if

> > > the lord of 12 saturn is in 6th or 8th 12th because

> > > here he happens to be lagna lord. kindly clarify.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > k.gopu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,

 

thanks. I believe in kaliyug these yogas act in different way. I am

trying to learn its manifestation results from the knowledgable

people in this forum...

 

see the kind of reading requests, it gives an impression to *me*

that people dont have patience to go through the ordeal of

life..this is kaliyug and here your life is totally as a result of

your own actions which partially depends on own past karma...(as I

believe god has given us freewill to rectify our past karma)

 

The right course of action will be going through the life with

complete faith and devotion to god who created all of us and in his

mercyful benelovance...instead people seek short cut solutions to

overcome the present problems in the form of remedies and other

solutions..

 

In this circumstances, i believe these yogas act as mere provides of

temporary relief and nothing more ...erudite people's opinions are

welcome

 

sriganeshh

 

 

 

 

 

, "bhaskar_jyotish"

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear SriGaneshji,

>

> ....Its true.Yes,

>

> The presence of Rajyogas in the horoscope does not guarantee,

> that the native will see them.

> The intensity of Rajyogas has to be seen,

> The Bhanga Yogas have to be seen.

> The planets connected - if the native is going to have that

> Dasha coming to him or not has to be seen.

> It may not come at all, or it may come too early,or in old age.

> Past Karma is of course the main factor in deciding which Dasha

You

> have to be born in,

> The above are my personal comments.

>

> Pahle Prarabdh racha phir racha shareer.......

>

>

> Regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , "sriganeshh"

> <sriganeshh@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prafullaji, Bhaskarji and Prashantji,

> >

> > In this kaliyug, what is the meaning of this rajayogas and

VRY...?

> > fructification of all this yogas are related to one's past karma

> and

> > simple presence of yogas does not alone guarantee anything to

> > native..is it true..?

> >

> > sriganeshh

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > For VRY,it got to be full one -i.e. exchange of lords of

6/8/12,

> > without any exception of lagna.

> > > Partial yoga has hardly any significance in astrology. Yes,

that

> > specific positioning / combination, can have its own effects -

but

> > not VRY.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by

> > countless cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What you

do

> > in life depends upon what you are and what you want. What you

get

> > from life depends upon how much you want it, how much you are

> > willing to work and plan and co-operate and use your resources.

The

> > long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless

> > cables that you are spinning now, and that is why today is such

an

> > important day. Make the cables strong!!

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > kgopu_24@

> > > > Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT)

> > > >

> > > > Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What

> > damage?

> > > >

> > > > dear Mr.Haizen,

> > > > does vipareeta raja yoga exists for Kumbha lagna if

> > > > the lord of 12 saturn is in 6th or 8th 12th because

> > > > here he happens to be lagna lord. kindly clarify.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > k.gopu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sriganeshh and Bhaskar bhai

 

You have touched a very controversial / interesting subject of fructification of yoga. Few yogas give life time effects, and few for specific dasha / bhukti. First premise- if the planetary positioning work for life time or only during their specific periods. In my humble view, planetary position work for life time. If someone has LL aspecting lagna, then native is protected in its lifetime for bhava results..not only for the period of LL. Yes, during its dasha / bhukti - they play a little focussed role...like player getting ball in the field, but he can hit the goal or not will have many variables.

 

Any yoga or planetary positioning is for some karmic reasons. Now, if rajyoga works or not - is something to do with the strength of yoga (got to be full - partial has no significance or say relevant influence; their dispositors must be powerful; must be free from afflictions; must not lose strength in D charts and above all - those planets must not be functional malefic for the lagna in question). VRY becomes positive by cancellation of negatives (6/8/12...Sanjay Rath ji has considered 3rd lord too; and he has defined VRY from AL as well). Native gets the results from odd circumstances (not possible for normally) ..example - native earning from sick units; native earns disporportionally to its efforts (like lawyer getting paid for not appearing in the court); native gains from the fall of competitor etc. For its dispositor to give yoga in full, all 6/8/12 must exchange.

 

In the special issue of Times of Astrology (sometime in 1997/98), role of 6/8/12 were discussed at length. My own chart has no strength, other than VRY - so I have experienced the circumstances, where i have always gained in odds.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What you do in life depends upon what you are and what you want. What you get from life depends upon how much you want it, how much you are willing to work and plan and co-operate and use your resources. The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless cables that you are spinning now, and that is why today is such an important day. Make the cables strong!!

 

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:02:02 -0000

>

> Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

>

> Dear SriGaneshji,

>

> ....Its true.Yes,

>

> The presence of Rajyogas in the horoscope does not guarantee,

> that the native will see them.

> The intensity of Rajyogas has to be seen,

> The Bhanga Yogas have to be seen.

> The planets connected - if the native is going to have that

> Dasha coming to him or not has to be seen.

> It may not come at all, or it may come too early,or in old age.

> Past Karma is of course the main factor in deciding which Dasha You

> have to be born in,

> The above are my personal comments.

>

> Pahle Prarabdh racha phir racha shareer.......

>

>

> Regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , "sriganeshh"

> <sriganeshh wrote:

>>

>> Dear Prafullaji, Bhaskarji and Prashantji,

>>

>> In this kaliyug, what is the meaning of this rajayogas and VRY...?

>> fructification of all this yogas are related to one's past karma

> and

>> simple presence of yogas does not alone guarantee anything to

>> native..is it true..?

>>

>> sriganeshh

>>

>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>> wrote:

>>>

>>> For VRY,it got to be full one -i.e. exchange of lords of 6/8/12,

>> without any exception of lagna.

>>> Partial yoga has hardly any significance in astrology. Yes, that

>> specific positioning / combination, can have its own effects - but

>> not VRY.

>>>

>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>

>>> The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by

>> countless cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What you do

>> in life depends upon what you are and what you want. What you get

>> from life depends upon how much you want it, how much you are

>> willing to work and plan and co-operate and use your resources. The

>> long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless

>> cables that you are spinning now, and that is why today is such an

>> important day. Make the cables strong!!

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> kgopu_24@

>>>> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>

>>>> Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What

>> damage?

>>>>

>>>> dear Mr.Haizen,

>>>> does vipareeta raja yoga exists for Kumbha lagna if

>>>> the lord of 12 saturn is in 6th or 8th 12th because

>>>> here he happens to be lagna lord. kindly clarify.

>>>>

>>>> regards,

>>>> k.gopu

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Haizen

 

Very well said !!!

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What you do in life depends upon what you are and what you want. What you get from life depends upon how much you want it, how much you are willing to work and plan and co-operate and use your resources. The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless cables that you are spinning now, and that is why today is such an important day. Make the cables strong!!

 

 

>

> haizen (AT) haizen (DOT) com

> Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:21:26 -0000

>

> Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

>

> Hi Raushnee,

>

> You'll be the best judge of whether this yoga exists for you

> or not. But haven't you just described part of your life as a

> "roller-coaster" existence? What is a "roller-coaster" existence

> but a rise and fall, only to rise again? I'd call that a Viparita

> yoga. And that's why I hold to my particular view of this yoga,

> because you've just described it perfectly, though others say

> this yoga doesn't exist under the circumstances I've described

> and you don't happen to have it. Strange irony here... and I

> mention all this because I like to make people think, and the

> reason why some of these yogas may or may not work is

> rather interesting. To really answer your question about this

> yoga to your own satisfaction, you'll probably have to become

> an astrologer yourself. But it's a wonderful study and I'm sure

> others can steer you to some nice books.

>

> I'll have to leave it to others to help you fill in your career

> picture, as it would require a great deal of time on my part to

> delve into it thoroughly and match cycles, etc. I am not always

> a fast worker and I don't like to give answers off the top of my

> head.

>

> In the meantime, I encourage you and everyone not to be

> bullied by anyone's authority. That's why I always preface

> my explanation by saying it's my opinion. I do not like

> to see people bullied or to see people treated as children

> with absolute-sounding predictions being handed out

> like candy or medicine. We're here to understand our charts

> and confirm from within what other people might say is right

> for us. And yet how many accept these predictions at face value

> and suffer the consequences when they go terribly wrong? Let's

> for a moment say that the astrologer has a 90 percent success

> rate for matching a happy marriage. Sounds pretty good, doesn't

> it? But how many astrologers on this newsgroup or elsewhere

> ever talk about the other 10 percent of their matchings where the

> couple is completely miserable? That's the problem when any

> prediction is followed blindly and such marriages are not evaluated

> through heart and logic as well and are dependent upon astrology

> *alone*. If the astrologer claims responsibility for their successes,

> then they should do the same for their failures, and how many do?

> And if they don't, how many of them profit from their mistakes?

> Hard to tell! I mention all the this because the average person

> can be confused by all this conjecture among astrologers. If

> possible, the person needs to educate himself/herself on the

> matter and decide for himself.

>

> That's why I like making people think more about their own lives

> and what's within their own hearts. I don't believe in treating adults

> like children, and there should be more dialog between the

> astrologer and clients to really understand some of the complaints

> and subtle needs they have and not superimpose something on them

> that might be completely wrong.

>

> One astrologer's view.

>

> Best wishes, Haizen Paige

>

>

> , "raushnee333" <raushnee333

> wrote:

>>

>> Thanks Haizen for making it interesting for me :-)

>> I am checking the replies after a while now, I know the concept

>> of "Phoenix" rising from the ashes...is quite inspiring.While VRY is

>> still pretty much debabtable going around here and I also cant stick

>> to digging into this alone. But one thing I do not understand that

>> why people warn against self medication or derivations. Obviously I

>> am not doing that and so I am coming to the forum to know about

>> it...better!

>>

>> I still do not know about your verdict on my scope of career (service

>> or a small business (freelancing). Now peeking into bit of astrology

>> I know I am not meant for great shakes...the way I used to aspire and

>> spin dreams...and so may be am being more accomodating.

>>

>> I am a PhD in science (Jupiter's grace), wound that up to no use by

>> choice(Jupiter suffers Kemadruma yoga)and went to chase my dreams

>> into the world of advertising and communications (Mercury is lord of

>> 10th house).That ride has been roller coaster with job hops (Saturn

>> aspecting my career house and the career lord Mercury being placed

>> in 12th house and Gemini sign for ....shifting objectives, getting

>> bored easily?) but somewhere I had made a niche after 10 years of

>> struggle to identify myself in the corporate sector.

>> Living with optimism always and try seeing the light at the end of

>> the tunnel and having no problems in experimenting it once...I packed

>> my bags to US...though in complete awe being a non IT but after

>> coming here its been success coming like a limp woman and falling

>> somwhere on the road. I think Saturn-Sun (8th house occupant & 12th

>> house)I got into bit of astro reading for myself and more importantly

>> for my brother who is not keeping good health since the time I came

>> here (perhaps it is something chronic- Mars lord of 8th house and is

>> in 12th house...though I keep my hopes up for him to be alright...but

>> that has been the most devastating thing and has a lot of emotional

>> relevance to return to native land. Have been sabotaged twice by the

>> people who were supposed to file for work permit here in US (Saturn-

>> Sun)....also thought its high time I should have a baby but obviously

>> when I desire for it...it will go distant (debilitated saturn placed

>> in 8th House and aspecting the house progeny...also enemies and

>> workplace (6h)With our movement we incurred losses rather than gains

>> but also kept patience to rather level down the losses....

>> My spouse's career is also not swinging that very high. I would say

>> he has just a feather in his cap only as far earning go...and that

>> too when he divides it with a non earning person...that feather is

>> just a scanty haired or drenched piece of vanity!

>>

>> So the key quest is whats in it for me now...workwise...I ought to be

>> working and earning....what do you advise...a career there in India

>> or US (I think India)? Or something to work out in US (bleak

>> possibility... non techie and has no work permit till october 2007 at

>> least...and my supposed to be better phase Saturn- Moon goes may be

>> without giving me much here and then comes Saturn-Mars the two

>> enemies again to once again make me dance to the tunes of destiny.....

>>

>>

>> , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote:

>>>

>>> Hi Raushnee,

>>>

>>> I would just like to encourage you to focus on the

>>> *rise* part of this kind of yoga. In general, the reason

>>> why the Viparita has its *benefits* is because the

>>> lords of the difficult 6, 8 and 12 houses are not

>>> *spoiling* the good houses in the horoscope, such

>>> as the trikona houses of 1, 5, 9, and the angular

>>> houses of 1, 4, 7, and 10. In your case, the troublesome

>>> 6L and 8L are not in these good houses. So please

>>> understand the workings of this yoga in depth. (Sun

>>> as 12L in the 1H can indicate a lack of confidence

>>> but is not a Viparita yoga.)

>>>

>>> Since you're not one of deliberate criminal intent,

>>> this yoga should be viewed as a natural part of your

>>> life experiences, including those errors of decision or

>>> mistakes you happen to make. If you have a Viparita,

>>> it's like saying you're *supposed* to be making these

>>> errors somewhere along the way. The good part is that

>>> the yoga helps you to transcend and *rise* above those

>>> experiences by learning the lessons they give and then

>>> tapping into the drive and motivation that can come from

>>> meeting these challenges in life and overcoming those

>>> enemies, "sinful acts", or hardships. There's just so much

>>> senseless negativity in astrology and so when people

>>> see a yoga like this in their charts, they go into an

>>> immediate fear reaction.

>>>

>>> As an example of someone with this yoga, look at the

>>> chart of politician Al Gore. He lost the US presidential

>>> election and it looked like his public career was over.

>>> However, he came back strongly in public life from this

>>> bitter and (I feel) fated defeat and has a successful new

>>> movie out on global warming called "An Inconvenient

>>> Truth." He has risen again from the ashes of his past.

>>>

>>> What no one has mentioned is when you should keep

>>> an eye out for the potential losses and likely benefits

>>> of this yoga. Since Saturn and Mars are the two planets

>>> to keep an eye on, you will be in your Mars bhukti under

>>> Saturn dasha between August of '08 and September '09.

>>> This period can have to do with stresses on your health

>>> and the possibility of financial losses...from which you

>>> are to *rise* again, okay?

>>>

>>> I'd really like to see more astrologers explaining these

>>> yogas properly and thoroughly enough so people can

>>> understand them and stop feeling victimized by their

>>> own fate. We choose our charts. How do these yogas

>>> get in our charts unless at a soul level we choose to

>>> have them? Every yoga serves its own purpose and

>>> we can better meet what life brings us by being forearmed

>>> with proper knowledge and an attitude expectant of benefits

>>> despite the hard knocks of life. People wouldn't be getting

>>> the knowledge of some of these more difficult yogas unless

>>> they were to profit from it. That's what helps us to meet our

>>> destiny with courage rather than trepidation.

>>>

>>> Haizen Paige

>>>

>>>

>>> , "raushnee333"

>> <raushnee333@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Thanks a lot, but you mean I have it (VRY) in my horoscope...and

>> I'm

>>>> in none of the occupations mentioned(politician, smuggler...;-).

>> So

>>>> how I am going to get affected or am I already under its effect

>>>> (coming abroad leaving my career etc......)

>>>>

>>>> Can you also advise anything for me for Business (SOHO/SME)? When

>> do

>>>> you see it happening if at all...I am asking because I am again

>> at

>>>> the crossroads...coz I convinced myself to wait and watch

>> here...but

>>>> should I study further here in US and get a job related to IT,Or

>> can

>>>> I think of some business?

>>>>

>>>> Of course with the learned peoples' advise on the forum I do not

>> rest

>>>> my hopes on making anything big in terms of money or career or

>>>> fame...but just leading life of an ordinary person...can I get an

>>>> advise for my occupation/career. I would deeply appreciate it.

>>>>

>>>> Regards

>>>> Raushnee

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -- In , "astrologerashutosh"

>>>> <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Raushnee,

>>>>>

>>>>> VRY involves the lords of the

>> dussthans,

>>>> ie sixth, eighth and twelfth houses, and this is the only reason

>> that

>>>> it is not completely beneficial.

>>>>>

>>>>> It brings the downfall of the native due to own faulty

>>>> decisions and then gives him/her tremendous rise again.

>>>>>

>>>>> VRY is bound to give monetary losses, bad health and a

>> lot

>>>> of enemies and rivals.

>>>>>

>>>>> The VRY is more beneficial for those who are in dubious

>>>> professions like smugglers, forgerers, scamsters, politicians,

>> etc.

>>>>>

>>>>> Your sade-sati from moon begins on 25th september 2010.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>

>>>>> Ashutosh

>>>>>

>>>>> [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

>>>> group but off-group private consultations are chargeable]

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> -

>>>>> raushnee333

>>>>>

>>>>> Monday, 07 August, 2006 08:48

>>>>> Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What

>> damage?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Time: 5:40 am

>>>>> Place: Jaipur, Raj, India

>>>>> 3rd October 1970

>>>>>

>>>>> I read that VRY gives gain but causing some

>>>> damage/daeath/downfall of

>>>>> someone else...in terms of legacies etc. These are such

>>>> petrifying

>>>>> things, and one feels like I dont need this yoga...

>>>>>

>>>>> When does my sade sati begin?

>>>>>

>>>>> raushnee

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Ganeshji,

 

Though God may have given us free will to rectify past Karmas, and

create new Karmas for own self,but yet the rectification part is

limited for certain karmas which cannot be effaced, whatever they be.

I am talking now of the results faced due to these Karmas which we are

not able to erase or change to our liking. For ex. we knowof certain

men and ladies, who may marry twice or thrice,but not able to get

happines from any of these. Here it means their Karmas have to be

ordealed and cannot be rectified. They can be rectified only by

suffering with the relations indicated. Also some people after their

divorce, second marriage may prove to be happy one without any

problems. Here it means that only little suffering was indicated to

that native with regards to that relation, and he has already

suffered ,so now is free to enjoy.

 

Now coming to these Rajyogas in todays context. There are certain

people whom we can say are getting or observibg these Rajyogas

in their life for ex. Poor people who get rich suddenly by winning

Rs. 1 Crore lottery, certauin politicians getting a prime seat

after many years of charting the corridors of parliament.,

Certian people who were not able to be success in film line, but

suddenly got role in Ekta Kapoor TV serial and got known all

over India, certain singers'dancers who shot to fame with one song

hits. I would consider these as small or big, temporary or permanent

Rajyogas. Any instance in life which suddenly elavates a

person to a high status from a normal one, may be a Rajyoga

operating in his Kundli.

 

For certain people like me, I would just feel happy in watching

my Rajyogas present in my horoscope. Their job in my case must

be limited to this only- Your answer to Rajyogas in todays context.

 

Sri Prafullaji has written well, on how to conduct ones life,

anyone facing problems with any relation, should try to rectify

it in his own ways, but if cannot, then endure silently,graciously,

understand and wait till the karmic debts are not over in this case,

and conduct himself patiently, in short.

 

Regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, "sriganeshh"

<sriganeshh wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>

> thanks. I believe in kaliyug these yogas act in different way. I am

> trying to learn its manifestation results from the knowledgable

> people in this forum...

>

> see the kind of reading requests, it gives an impression to *me*

> that people dont have patience to go through the ordeal of

> life..this is kaliyug and here your life is totally as a result of

> your own actions which partially depends on own past karma...(as I

> believe god has given us freewill to rectify our past karma)

>

> The right course of action will be going through the life with

> complete faith and devotion to god who created all of us and in his

> mercyful benelovance...instead people seek short cut solutions to

> overcome the present problems in the form of remedies and other

> solutions..

>

> In this circumstances, i believe these yogas act as mere provides

of

> temporary relief and nothing more ...erudite people's opinions are

> welcome

>

> sriganeshh

>

>

>

>

>

> , "bhaskar_jyotish"

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear SriGaneshji,

> >

> > ....Its true.Yes,

> >

> > The presence of Rajyogas in the horoscope does not guarantee,

> > that the native will see them.

> > The intensity of Rajyogas has to be seen,

> > The Bhanga Yogas have to be seen.

> > The planets connected - if the native is going to have that

> > Dasha coming to him or not has to be seen.

> > It may not come at all, or it may come too early,or in old age.

> > Past Karma is of course the main factor in deciding which Dasha

> You

> > have to be born in,

> > The above are my personal comments.

> >

> > Pahle Prarabdh racha phir racha shareer.......

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > , "sriganeshh"

> > <sriganeshh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prafullaji, Bhaskarji and Prashantji,

> > >

> > > In this kaliyug, what is the meaning of this rajayogas and

> VRY...?

> > > fructification of all this yogas are related to one's past

karma

> > and

> > > simple presence of yogas does not alone guarantee anything to

> > > native..is it true..?

> > >

> > > sriganeshh

> > >

> > > , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > For VRY,it got to be full one -i.e. exchange of lords of

> 6/8/12,

> > > without any exception of lagna.

> > > > Partial yoga has hardly any significance in astrology. Yes,

> that

> > > specific positioning / combination, can have its own effects -

> but

> > > not VRY.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >

> > > > The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by

> > > countless cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What

you

> do

> > > in life depends upon what you are and what you want. What you

> get

> > > from life depends upon how much you want it, how much you are

> > > willing to work and plan and co-operate and use your resources.

> The

> > > long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless

> > > cables that you are spinning now, and that is why today is such

> an

> > > important day. Make the cables strong!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > kgopu_24@

> > > > > Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What

> > > damage?

> > > > >

> > > > > dear Mr.Haizen,

> > > > > does vipareeta raja yoga exists for Kumbha lagna if

> > > > > the lord of 12 saturn is in 6th or 8th 12th because

> > > > > here he happens to be lagna lord. kindly clarify.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > k.gopu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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My personal opinion, is bit towards the free will. Barring fatalistic issues like - accidents / diseases / death etc, native can bring the equilibrium with the planetary forces, by adopting to the desired traits. This form of astrology, is even trickier ...as astrologers will seldom agree to the failed prediction!!!

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What you do in life depends upon what you are and what you want. What you get from life depends upon how much you want it, how much you are willing to work and plan and co-operate and use your resources. The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless cables that you are spinning now, and that is why today is such an important day. Make the cables strong!!

 

 

>

> sriganeshh

> Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:23:42 -0000

>

> Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What damage?

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>

> thanks. I believe in kaliyug these yogas act in different way. I am

> trying to learn its manifestation results from the knowledgable

> people in this forum...

>

> see the kind of reading requests, it gives an impression to *me*

> that people dont have patience to go through the ordeal of

> life..this is kaliyug and here your life is totally as a result of

> your own actions which partially depends on own past karma...(as I

> believe god has given us freewill to rectify our past karma)

>

> The right course of action will be going through the life with

> complete faith and devotion to god who created all of us and in his

> mercyful benelovance...instead people seek short cut solutions to

> overcome the present problems in the form of remedies and other

> solutions..

>

> In this circumstances, i believe these yogas act as mere provides of

> temporary relief and nothing more ...erudite people's opinions are

> welcome

>

> sriganeshh

>

>

>

>

>

> , "bhaskar_jyotish"

> <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>>

>> Dear SriGaneshji,

>>

>> ....Its true.Yes,

>>

>> The presence of Rajyogas in the horoscope does not guarantee,

>> that the native will see them.

>> The intensity of Rajyogas has to be seen,

>> The Bhanga Yogas have to be seen.

>> The planets connected - if the native is going to have that

>> Dasha coming to him or not has to be seen.

>> It may not come at all, or it may come too early,or in old age.

>> Past Karma is of course the main factor in deciding which Dasha

> You

>> have to be born in,

>> The above are my personal comments.

>>

>> Pahle Prarabdh racha phir racha shareer.......

>>

>>

>> Regards,

>> Bhaskar.

>>

>>

>>

>> , "sriganeshh"

>> <sriganeshh@> wrote:

>>>

>>> Dear Prafullaji, Bhaskarji and Prashantji,

>>>

>>> In this kaliyug, what is the meaning of this rajayogas and

> VRY...?

>>> fructification of all this yogas are related to one's past karma

>> and

>>> simple presence of yogas does not alone guarantee anything to

>>> native..is it true..?

>>>

>>> sriganeshh

>>>

>>> , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> For VRY,it got to be full one -i.e. exchange of lords of

> 6/8/12,

>>> without any exception of lagna.

>>>> Partial yoga has hardly any significance in astrology. Yes,

> that

>>> specific positioning / combination, can have its own effects -

> but

>>> not VRY.

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by

>>> countless cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What you

> do

>>> in life depends upon what you are and what you want. What you

> get

>>> from life depends upon how much you want it, how much you are

>>> willing to work and plan and co-operate and use your resources.

> The

>>> long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless

>>> cables that you are spinning now, and that is why today is such

> an

>>> important day. Make the cables strong!!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> kgopu_24@

>>>>> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What

>>> damage?

>>>>>

>>>>> dear Mr.Haizen,

>>>>> does vipareeta raja yoga exists for Kumbha lagna if

>>>>> the lord of 12 saturn is in 6th or 8th 12th because

>>>>> here he happens to be lagna lord. kindly clarify.

>>>>>

>>>>> regards,

>>>>> k.gopu

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> around

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

 

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Prafullji,

Adoption to desired traits- This was explained by one

respected astrolger some time back to me and others. We asked a

question to him while discussing divorce horoscopes.

that suppose ones Kundli has divorce type conditions always for whole

lfe, which means that the problem is with the person himself, should

he not marry then ? We were told -in first person-

Marry but know that the problem lies with You. So You will have to

check your habits and keep them in control, hot-temper, arguing,

nagging, whatever they may be,You have to become mellowed after

marriage to sustain the same.

Also go for a girl who does not have divorce like conditions in her

horoscope. So that the mixture is proper and sustainable.

Regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> My personal opinion, is bit towards the free will. Barring

fatalistic issues like - accidents / diseases / death etc, native can

bring the equilibrium with the planetary forces, by adopting to the

desired traits. This form of astrology, is even trickier ...as

astrologers will seldom agree to the failed prediction!!!

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless

cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What you do in life

depends upon what you are and what you want. What you get from life

depends upon how much you want it, how much you are willing to work

and plan and co-operate and use your resources. The long span of the

bridge of your life is supported by countless cables that you are

spinning now, and that is why today is such an important day. Make

the cables strong!!

>

>

> >

> > sriganeshh

> > Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:23:42 -0000

> >

> > Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What

damage?

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji,

> >

> > thanks. I believe in kaliyug these yogas act in different way. I

am

> > trying to learn its manifestation results from the knowledgable

> > people in this forum...

> >

> > see the kind of reading requests, it gives an impression to *me*

> > that people dont have patience to go through the ordeal of

> > life..this is kaliyug and here your life is totally as a result of

> > your own actions which partially depends on own past karma...(as I

> > believe god has given us freewill to rectify our past karma)

> >

> > The right course of action will be going through the life with

> > complete faith and devotion to god who created all of us and in

his

> > mercyful benelovance...instead people seek short cut solutions to

> > overcome the present problems in the form of remedies and other

> > solutions..

> >

> > In this circumstances, i believe these yogas act as mere provides

of

> > temporary relief and nothing more ...erudite people's opinions are

> > welcome

> >

> > sriganeshh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "bhaskar_jyotish"

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear SriGaneshji,

> >>

> >> ....Its true.Yes,

> >>

> >> The presence of Rajyogas in the horoscope does not guarantee,

> >> that the native will see them.

> >> The intensity of Rajyogas has to be seen,

> >> The Bhanga Yogas have to be seen.

> >> The planets connected - if the native is going to have that

> >> Dasha coming to him or not has to be seen.

> >> It may not come at all, or it may come too early,or in old age.

> >> Past Karma is of course the main factor in deciding which Dasha

> > You

> >> have to be born in,

> >> The above are my personal comments.

> >>

> >> Pahle Prarabdh racha phir racha shareer.......

> >>

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> Bhaskar.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> , "sriganeshh"

> >> <sriganeshh@> wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Dear Prafullaji, Bhaskarji and Prashantji,

> >>>

> >>> In this kaliyug, what is the meaning of this rajayogas and

> > VRY...?

> >>> fructification of all this yogas are related to one's past karma

> >> and

> >>> simple presence of yogas does not alone guarantee anything to

> >>> native..is it true..?

> >>>

> >>> sriganeshh

> >>>

> >>> , Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> For VRY,it got to be full one -i.e. exchange of lords of

> > 6/8/12,

> >>> without any exception of lagna.

> >>>> Partial yoga has hardly any significance in astrology. Yes,

> > that

> >>> specific positioning / combination, can have its own effects -

> > but

> >>> not VRY.

> >>>>

> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>

> >>>> The long span of the bridge of your life is supported by

> >>> countless cables called habits, attitudes, and desires. What you

> > do

> >>> in life depends upon what you are and what you want. What you

> > get

> >>> from life depends upon how much you want it, how much you are

> >>> willing to work and plan and co-operate and use your resources.

> > The

> >>> long span of the bridge of your life is supported by countless

> >>> cables that you are spinning now, and that is why today is such

> > an

> >>> important day. Make the cables strong!!

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> kgopu_24@

> >>>>> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:34 -0700 (PDT)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Re: Do I have a Vipreeta Raj yoga? When? What

> >>> damage?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> dear Mr.Haizen,

> >>>>> does vipareeta raja yoga exists for Kumbha lagna if

> >>>>> the lord of 12 saturn is in 6th or 8th 12th because

> >>>>> here he happens to be lagna lord. kindly clarify.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> regards,

> >>>>> k.gopu

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

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> > around

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