Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Prafulla, Pt arjun, Sasi, Baskar, others Well this has to be split in to a few bits 1st astrology doesn't recommend negativeness, it points to the trends and ask u to doubly make sure on what u do, for most students passing thru sade sate I HAVE ALWAYS SAID if u r expecting 95% work for 200% u will get it but if remain on 100% and expect 95 u won't get there or may end up from just behind 34% to above 65% and still short of even 70% so make sure u do ur bit HARDER., hard work has no substitute, hard work has only success no other result. and sani can spoil only a laid back approach other factors like mark sheets bungling, question paper leaks,copying, marks getting swapped or imposter's writing and asses getting great marks are part f the deal ur interest lies in doubling ur effort. astrology i also not about accurate predictions either but about appropriate HOPE raisers, not false but right for the occasions ones. say u see a divorce or widow hood in a girl suggest her academics to be strengthened, her career must be 1st priority, she will be on her own not any ones mercy. please see RAMANS astrological magazines WOMEN'S WORLD, UR TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES SOLVED etc.his daughter Gayithri Devi writes as arundathi there. 2nd point is most important it is the hero worship of Nehru family that has killed ur approach, responses their social, secular and NAM destroyed what was emerging, and now if Arjun SINGH has his way then sure he is creating a platform for Rahul's take over with more divisions and as said earlier if we get jobs, seats promotions, housing sites, treatment, elected seats etc on system that divides on the worst levels of competence, but only to divide their opponents an win the nation will suffer. it is already happening North Indians are studying in China, even girls Medical seats for 5 lacs including good food, stay, just a certification alone back in India they r there, than pay bribes, DOCTOR ur caste certificate of even seek VIP quota, 3. all Hindu thoughts, values are, were considered obscurantists, backward by Nehru parivar so ASTROLOGY suffered, like Ayurveda unless WES patents it we will NOT wake up, as Haldi, tulsi, basumati yoga,, Ayurveda etc have benefited. fore more please read please and read it or paste in ur browser line and press GO. http://www.e-astrodesk.com/chapt20.asp there are 2 more links below this too click on them and read all r facts and part of Indian history. USEFUL READING... THANKS FOR THE TIME WHEN u READ THE LINKS SPREaD IT `LET THERE BE LIGHT' - old testament. Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Shri kumar ji very well said. The biggest irony is that, we defend our incompetencies (linking to astrology) by using pointers as shani / mangal / rahu / ketu. In the name of past glory, we boost jupiter and so on...I wanted to bring this thread to a very serious issue. Are we astrologers not responsbile to an large extent for these declining "will" to win / achieve. Are we not making the population weak, by saying that - you are destined to fail, for the planets. Should not we guide the nation to achieve, by helping people through attributes of successful tasks vis a vis person's strength. But jyotish has also forgot to contribute to the country, in the name of destiny. Instead of indicating the bad periods, we should tell how will the adoption of trait of shani etc can help to increase performance. But in the name of God and helping natives, do not we make them weak !! Do not astrologers help in reducing productivity, by saying that good muhurta is only after 4 weeks or this profession will not suit them !!! So, the person starts the work with the doubtful itself or lesser interest. These are serious questions. But can astrologer also follow his professional responsibility to the nation. Instead of focussing on scaring the natives for commercial / ego motives and then providing "quick fix". Are we honest in terms of our obligation to society? We may not like to question ourselves, but we have a great role in modern India - for its present state or in bright tomorrow. Why is our astrology pursued and followed so fatalistically? Why "quick fix" remedies suggested need to cost people ? Are we helping people or ourselves? Why does our elected PM need to trust astrologer for muhurta, more than his own abilities? regards / Prafulla Gang "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > gbp_kumar > Sat, 5 Aug 2006 07:24:24 -0700 (PDT) > > RE: Re: help please...5/8 progressive? > > Hi Prafulla, > Most of what u said surely applies to the whole sub-Continent, we are a > few shades better, but this is a fact that Indian can;t progress for the > reasons u listed and we do SHINE AS INDIVIDUALS never as team players > that is why we do well even in IT, CA, Medicine, sports our team wins > post Independence are very few in any sport 3 Olympic hockey gold > medals, 1 cricket world cup, we don't win any team game well. for > states with a passion for so called self reliance [WB] they cheer > Brazil, Argentina. also import players none play from there and worse > they are the spoil sport in all development, unions, fixed mindsets of > communism which original ones have deserted. > WE TALK of being Independent of USA, when Japan was invaded , destroyed > by US they teamed up with them in 15 years they were on par and 20 yrs > ahead of them so when work is worship the goddess Lakshmi smiles where > we worship communism it breeds the needless discussion, obscurantists > mindsets why work ,what will i gain the company becomes richer, they > never related their growth with companies. > the biggest curse is our film industry which even copies of Hollywood] > are modified to suit a Hero from nowhere solving all issues so we still > look for heroes that is all the crimes committed on us by our invaders, > and terror Nations will go answered we will wait one we are tolerant as > we r not affected directly, if we are what can we do we show calm and > restraint, the attackers will continue, they get solidarity and give > solidarity for even supposed crimes in cartoons In a foreign county, > here we are cold hearted to genuine suffering\death, destruction of our > nation, culture, wealth and human resources. > > . > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Sir > > I am talking of productivity and professional honesty. and we have not > been able to grow independently for various reasons..biggest one is our > productive issues. > > The moment, person blames for non happening to "stars" and does not try > to identify his attributes to match the challenges, then it is self > appeasing. All these quick fix "sellers" in any profession damages the > most. It makes people vulnerable to the core, without any recourse. All > professions have different challenges and rewards. > > The family does not progress, by a kid getting gold medal in school. it > has to be economic progress and unfortunately - stardom / media etc has > brought up another mess. > > Famous economic principle - A Poor is poor, because he is poor. Why? > not because of resources (we all know, resources can be borrowed etc), > but for sheer desire, skill and productivity. > > We work best, when we are put to tough task (not necessarily political > slavery). But how many of Indians finshes their work in designated time? > How many of them like to deliver of good quality? and How many of > Indians do not give excuse for non performance? How many of them are > honest in their social / professional undertakings? How many of Indian > students work on curriculum projects independently to learn? How many of > Indians reach office in time? How many of them put the work as priority > above their social committments? How many fresh Chartered accountants > can read books of accounts? How many fresh engineers fix a car? and so > on....... > > Bhaskar bhai, all are difficult and embrassing questions. so How many > think honestly without any motives? A country can grow only with honest > and committed work force. I do not mind people drinking (devatas also > drink...), gambling and so on..as long as they work/deliver with honesty > and productivity. So let us not get into the habbits. We are discussing > minimum requisite characteristics for self sustainable economic growth. > > Ofcourse, we are not talking about exceptional people/circumsatnces. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and > what not seeing." > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:47:39 -0000 > > > > Re: help please... > > > > Shri Prafullji, > > > > Again well said, but people who are responsible for this state of > > affairs are another section of Indians, and we may not come in that > > category. Just like Sania Mirza is good for the country and Rathor is > > good for the country, yet we have no part in their goodness to the > > country directly, except watching their matches over a cup of drink > > on TV, same way we are also not responsible for the various ills > > of India, You mentioned. We are not all, in that category of > > either contributing good or contributing bad to the country state of > > affairs as of today. > > Your attributes may be more linked to the people who have been > > governing the country,their servants, and channels in all sectors, > > who may be what You assess,(Which is right), but certainly not all of > > the Indians.,today who are, or have been in the past. > > That is another story that we develop black stains on the clothes > > working in the coal mine,its difficult to develop like a Lotus > > in...... > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear members > >> > >> Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness does not affect > > my proud feeling. > >> > >> The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and unproductive > > race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify others for our non > > performance (we are dishonest to ourselves) and use self proclaimed > > sage status to hide our desire for materialism. The biggest reason > > for our poor performance is our unproductivity in all sectors - > > government, private sector, technology adoption, farming etc. We > > believe in talking, chatting, finding excuses, using diplomacy to > > find face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too in world > > war, but they managed to progress...just for their productivity. > >> > >> All these past glories, our great culture etc are not going to > > help. It is the productive work, which determines the final outcome. > > Let us name one profession, where we are honest and productive. We > > have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well (IT is the best > > example - where our services are monitored by non indian IT > > professionals and we comply to their standards, else we will always > > find reason for self appeasement). > >> > >> I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, how > > unproductive we are, if not monitored / demanded. I know, there may > > be strong messages for my above note,but I will be happy for the fact > > that, i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to please anyone. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing > > and what not seeing." > >> > >> > >>> > >>> panditarjun2004 > >>> Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: help please... > >>> > >>> dear bhaskarji > >>> > >>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate actively > >>> in various net groups is only because they get some belongingness > >>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this > > mythical > >>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they miss most > >>> of these in their real lives. > >>> > >>> but the first principle of karma theory says that if you want > >>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others happy. > >>> > >>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one thing. > > india > >>> remained poor in material wealth only because it has welcomed all > >>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away as much > >>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. religion > > after > >>> religion, country after country invaded india and they continue to > >>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south african > > or > >>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these countries. > >>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on their > >>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US and > >>> started invading various countries is known to all. french too > > set > >>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. india > > was > >>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on > >>> religion. > >>> > >>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the british) > > is > >>> most sought after by the entire world and they project india in > > the > >>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. > >>> > >>> india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it material > >>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being an > > indian > >>> and praise this great country that withstood centuries of > > invasions > >>> and still going strong. > >>> > >>> with best wishes > >>> pandit arjun > >>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but many > >>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the > > wealth > >>> of other countries) > >>> > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Haizen, > >>>> > >>>> Some thoughts to share with You- > >>>> This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. > >>>> I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking > >>>> towards spirituality rather than material, because they are > > already > >>>> full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not > >>> seen > >>>> the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching > >>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional > >>> bring > >>>> ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the > > 70's > >>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. With > >>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, > >>> pubs > >>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all > > around > >>>> open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly > >>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy > >>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money > >>> too > >>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are > >>> academically > >>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks > >>> due > >>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely > >>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to > >>> flamboyant > >>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having > >>> hightech > >>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in > > some > >>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > >>>> Amongst all this, > >>>> People like me, little older not matching with high academic > >>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > >>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , > >>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings > >>>> around staying put at home or office without loosening out > > pockets > >>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because > >>> though > >>>> we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living > >>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection.. > >>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who > >>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to > >>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start > >>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class > >>> families > >>>> in India today. > >>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he > >>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type > >>>> of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left > >>>> to creating only limited. > >>>> Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the > >>> soul > >>>> wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man > > wants > >>>> is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being > >>> wanted, > >>>> a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, > >>> You > >>>> have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming > >>>> from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks very much > >>>> > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> , "haizen" <haizen@> > > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Bhakar, > >>>>> > >>>>> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they > >>> don't, > >>>> I had the > >>>>> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A > >>>> prophet being without > >>>>> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families > >>> too. > >>>> In the meantime, > >>>>> it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic > >>>> record. ;-) > >>>>> > >>>>> Sincerely, Haizen > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Haizen , > >>>>>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my > >>>> family > >>>>>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet.....(Again > >>>>>> demanding) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> regards/Bhaskar. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You're a good man. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Warm regards, Haizen > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Haizen, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You are generous. > >>>>>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or > >>> on > >>>>>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in > >>>> return ,when > >>>>>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the > >>> Ego > >>>>>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the > >>>> demand > >>>>>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > >>>> acknowledgement > >>>>>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not > >>>>>> supposed to > >>>>>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > >>>>>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one > >>> person > >>>>>> comes > >>>>>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and > >>>> search > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately > >>> leaves > >>>>>> after > >>>>>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves > >>> to > >>>>>> another > >>>>>>>> flat,then You feel... > >>>>>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my > >>> advice, > >>>>>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please > >>>> can > >>>>>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me > >>> demand, > >>>>>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less > >>>>>>>> demanding. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> , "haizen" > >>> <haizen@> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > >>>>>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > >>>>>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to > >>>>>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > >>>>>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result > >>>>>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > >>>>>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > >>>>>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. > >>>>>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > >>>>>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire > >>>>>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), > >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according > >>>>>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means > >>>>>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. > >>>>>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears > >>>>>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > >>>>>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and > >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > >>>>>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same > >>>>>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > >>>>>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > >>>>>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > >>>>>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for their > >>>>>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > >>>>>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > >>>>>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > >>>>>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > >>>>>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > >>>>>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > >>>>>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > >>>>>>>>> course. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > >>>>>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Haizen Paige > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> --- In > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>>>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > >>>>>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out > >>> Your > >>>>>> possible > >>>>>>>> birth > >>>>>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have > >>> made > >>>> me > >>>>>> real > >>>>>>>> happy. > >>>>>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the > >>> claps > >>>> he > >>>>>> gets > >>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ > >>>>>>>>>> Any way please forget it. > >>>>>>>>>> God bless , > >>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> , "rebbeasher" > >>>>>>>> <rebbeasher@> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at > >>>> 9:56 > >>>>>> 32n06 > >>>>>>>> 34e47. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? > >>>>>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? > >>>>>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? What did they > >>> do? > >>>>>>>>>>> My religious nature? > >>>>>>>>>>> The truth about my adoptive parents? > >>>>>>>>>>> When will I meet my biological parents? > >>>>>>>>>>> Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you! Trying to understand my > >>>> life. > >>>>>>>> Thank you. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > > ________ > FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends > and family! > Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group > but > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > 09840051861 > > > > > > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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