Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Dear Prafullji, Not meaning in any way to offend You or change Your stance or not talk in conformity with what You say, I put my views also as under. When we indicate bad times to natives, it is not always to put fear or spoil their efforts, at times its for their own good. Suppose You see oncoming bad financial time coming for a native, would You not tell him, that. please pull out Your money from the share market and no more speculations for the next 6 months or 1 Year ? Or when You see that in no way is a particular native going to have great aptitude in accounts, would You then give him good dreams if he has already started persuing career in Chartered accountancy.If his future lies in Music or drama or TV actor, would You not suggest him that ? Yet- Super human Efforts which few percentage of us possess, can change the destiny to the required destination is, what I finally believe.As the old adage goes, God helps those who help themselves. If any member happens to read Late Shri Dongreji Maharaj's version of Ramayana, it is clearly mentioned the relation of taking Gods name vis a vis efforts vis a vis the 12 houses of the Kundli or Horoscope. It is clearly mentioned that if a persons does nama Japa 1 crore times hist first house negatives written in destiny for him are cleared, if he takes name of Ram for 2 crores his second house negatives of wealth are cleared and so forth and so on. Finally after 12 crores this venered respected personality has also mentioned that a person doing Nama Japa of Lord Rama for 13 crores, is having the power to make Lord Rama sit in front of him just like You and me sit in some meeting. So the above simply shows that fatalistic attitude is not desired, but at the same time. we need more than ordinary efforts to counter the bad results coming in our life, or change the course of destiny to desired levels. regards/Bhaskar. N.B. I agree to almost to all what You have mentioned, so please note that I am just discussing healthily., and at times supporting Your theories with illustrations. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri kumar ji > > very well said. > > The biggest irony is that, we defend our incompetencies (linking to astrology) by using pointers as shani / mangal / rahu / ketu. In the name of past glory, we boost jupiter and so on...I wanted to bring this thread to a very serious issue. Are we astrologers not responsbile to an large extent for these declining "will" to win / achieve. Are we not making the population weak, by saying that - you are destined to fail, for the planets. Should not we guide the nation to achieve, by helping people through attributes of successful tasks vis a vis person's strength. But jyotish has also forgot to contribute to the country, in the name of destiny. Instead of indicating the bad periods, we should tell how will the adoption of trait of shani etc can help to increase performance. But in the name of God and helping natives, do not we make them weak !! Do not astrologers help in reducing productivity, by saying that good muhurta is only after 4 weeks or this profession will not suit them !!! So, the person starts the work with the doubtful itself or lesser interest. > > These are serious questions. But can astrologer also follow his professional responsibility to the nation. Instead of focussing on scaring the natives for commercial / ego motives and then providing "quick fix". Are we honest in terms of our obligation to society? We may not like to question ourselves, but we have a great role in modern India - for its present state or in bright tomorrow. > > Why is our astrology pursued and followed so fatalistically? Why "quick fix" remedies suggested need to cost people ? Are we helping people or ourselves? > > Why does our elected PM need to trust astrologer for muhurta, more than his own abilities? > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and what not seeing." > > > > > > gbp_kumar > > Sat, 5 Aug 2006 07:24:24 -0700 (PDT) > > > > RE: Re: help please...5/8 progressive? > > > > Hi Prafulla, > > Most of what u said surely applies to the whole sub-Continent, we are a > > few shades better, but this is a fact that Indian can;t progress for the > > reasons u listed and we do SHINE AS INDIVIDUALS never as team players > > that is why we do well even in IT, CA, Medicine, sports our team wins > > post Independence are very few in any sport 3 Olympic hockey gold > > medals, 1 cricket world cup, we don't win any team game well. for > > states with a passion for so called self reliance [WB] they cheer > > Brazil, Argentina. also import players none play from there and worse > > they are the spoil sport in all development, unions, fixed mindsets of > > communism which original ones have deserted. > > WE TALK of being Independent of USA, when Japan was invaded , destroyed > > by US they teamed up with them in 15 years they were on par and 20 yrs > > ahead of them so when work is worship the goddess Lakshmi smiles where > > we worship communism it breeds the needless discussion, obscurantists > > mindsets why work ,what will i gain the company becomes richer, they > > never related their growth with companies. > > the biggest curse is our film industry which even copies of Hollywood] > > are modified to suit a Hero from nowhere solving all issues so we still > > look for heroes that is all the crimes committed on us by our invaders, > > and terror Nations will go answered we will wait one we are tolerant as > > we r not affected directly, if we are what can we do we show calm and > > restraint, the attackers will continue, they get solidarity and give > > solidarity for even supposed crimes in cartoons In a foreign county, > > here we are cold hearted to genuine suffering\death, destruction of our > > nation, culture, wealth and human resources. > > > > . > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Sir > > > > I am talking of productivity and professional honesty. and we have not > > been able to grow independently for various reasons..biggest one is our > > productive issues. > > > > The moment, person blames for non happening to "stars" and does not try > > to identify his attributes to match the challenges, then it is self > > appeasing. All these quick fix "sellers" in any profession damages the > > most. It makes people vulnerable to the core, without any recourse. All > > professions have different challenges and rewards. > > > > The family does not progress, by a kid getting gold medal in school. it > > has to be economic progress and unfortunately - stardom / media etc has > > brought up another mess. > > > > Famous economic principle - A Poor is poor, because he is poor. Why? > > not because of resources (we all know, resources can be borrowed etc), > > but for sheer desire, skill and productivity. > > > > We work best, when we are put to tough task (not necessarily political > > slavery). But how many of Indians finshes their work in designated time? > > How many of them like to deliver of good quality? and How many of > > Indians do not give excuse for non performance? How many of them are > > honest in their social / professional undertakings? How many of Indian > > students work on curriculum projects independently to learn? How many of > > Indians reach office in time? How many of them put the work as priority > > above their social committments? How many fresh Chartered accountants > > can read books of accounts? How many fresh engineers fix a car? and so > > on....... > > > > Bhaskar bhai, all are difficult and embrassing questions. so How many > > think honestly without any motives? A country can grow only with honest > > and committed work force. I do not mind people drinking (devatas also > > drink...), gambling and so on..as long as they work/deliver with honesty > > and productivity. So let us not get into the habbits. We are discussing > > minimum requisite characteristics for self sustainable economic growth. > > > > Ofcourse, we are not talking about exceptional people/circumsatnces. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing and > > what not seeing." > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:47:39 -0000 > > > > > > Re: help please... > > > > > > Shri Prafullji, > > > > > > Again well said, but people who are responsible for this state of > > > affairs are another section of Indians, and we may not come in that > > > category. Just like Sania Mirza is good for the country and Rathor is > > > good for the country, yet we have no part in their goodness to the > > > country directly, except watching their matches over a cup of drink > > > on TV, same way we are also not responsible for the various ills > > > of India, You mentioned. We are not all, in that category of > > > either contributing good or contributing bad to the country state of > > > affairs as of today. > > > Your attributes may be more linked to the people who have been > > > governing the country,their servants, and channels in all sectors, > > > who may be what You assess,(Which is right), but certainly not all of > > > the Indians.,today who are, or have been in the past. > > > That is another story that we develop black stains on the clothes > > > working in the coal mine,its difficult to develop like a Lotus > > > in...... > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear members > > >> > > >> Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness does not affect > > > my proud feeling. > > >> > > >> The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and unproductive > > > race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify others for our non > > > performance (we are dishonest to ourselves) and use self proclaimed > > > sage status to hide our desire for materialism. The biggest reason > > > for our poor performance is our unproductivity in all sectors - > > > government, private sector, technology adoption, farming etc. We > > > believe in talking, chatting, finding excuses, using diplomacy to > > > find face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too in world > > > war, but they managed to progress...just for their productivity. > > >> > > >> All these past glories, our great culture etc are not going to > > > help. It is the productive work, which determines the final outcome. > > > Let us name one profession, where we are honest and productive. We > > > have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well (IT is the best > > > example - where our services are monitored by non indian IT > > > professionals and we comply to their standards, else we will always > > > find reason for self appeasement). > > >> > > >> I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, how > > > unproductive we are, if not monitored / demanded. I know, there may > > > be strong messages for my above note,but I will be happy for the fact > > > that, i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to please anyone. > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >> > > >> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing > > > and what not seeing." > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> panditarjun2004@ > > >>> Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 > > >>> > > >>> Re: help please... > > >>> > > >>> dear bhaskarji > > >>> > > >>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate actively > > >>> in various net groups is only because they get some belongingness > > >>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this > > > mythical > > >>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they miss most > > >>> of these in their real lives. > > >>> > > >>> but the first principle of karma theory says that if you want > > >>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others happy. > > >>> > > >>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one thing. > > > india > > >>> remained poor in material wealth only because it has welcomed all > > >>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away as much > > >>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. religion > > > after > > >>> religion, country after country invaded india and they continue to > > >>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south african > > > or > > >>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these countries. > > >>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on their > > >>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US and > > >>> started invading various countries is known to all. french too > > > set > > >>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. india > > > was > > >>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on > > >>> religion. > > >>> > > >>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the british) > > > is > > >>> most sought after by the entire world and they project india in > > > the > > >>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. > > >>> > > >>> india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it material > > >>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being an > > > indian > > >>> and praise this great country that withstood centuries of > > > invasions > > >>> and still going strong. > > >>> > > >>> with best wishes > > >>> pandit arjun > > >>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but many > > >>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the > > > wealth > > >>> of other countries) > > >>> > > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear Haizen, > > >>>> > > >>>> Some thoughts to share with You- > > >>>> This world has become very much materialistic,specially India. > > >>>> I think You are based out of India,where most would be looking > > >>>> towards spirituality rather than material, because they are > > > already > > >>>> full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have not > > >>> seen > > >>>> the former part and so no question of becoming full and searching > > >>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences and traditional > > >>> bring > > >>>> ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but the > > > 70's > > >>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently after 35years. With > > >>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and corner, > > >>> pubs > > >>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all > > > around > > >>>> open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing openly > > >>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas too,easy > > >>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of money > > >>> too > > >>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are > > >>> academically > > >>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay checks > > >>> due > > >>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available freely > > >>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to > > >>> flamboyant > > >>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having > > >>> hightech > > >>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings in > > > some > > >>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > > >>>> Amongst all this, > > >>>> People like me, little older not matching with high academic > > >>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > > >>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third stage , > > >>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the happennings > > >>>> around staying put at home or office without loosening out > > > pockets > > >>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt because > > >>> though > > >>>> we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are living > > >>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any retrospection.. > > >>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men who > > >>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, to > > >>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the problems start > > >>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class > > >>> families > > >>>> in India today. > > >>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or why is he > > >>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any type > > >>>> of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is left > > >>>> to creating only limited. > > >>>> Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual food,the > > >>> soul > > >>>> wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a man > > > wants > > >>>> is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being > > >>> wanted, > > >>>> a feeling that yes You are also required some where some place, > > >>> You > > >>>> have your own identity. A single word of love or affection coming > > >>>> from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks very much > > >>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> , "haizen" <haizen@> > > > wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Bhakar, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if they > > >>> don't, > > >>>> I had the > > >>>>> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying about "A > > >>>> prophet being without > > >>>>> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some families > > >>> too. > > >>>> In the meantime, > > >>>>> it has now been said and the words officially go on your akashic > > >>>> record. ;-) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sincerely, Haizen > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > >>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Dear Haizen , > > >>>>>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone in my > > >>>> family > > >>>>>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet..... (Again > > >>>>>> demanding) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> regards/Bhaskar. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -- In , "haizen" <haizen@> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> You're a good man. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Warm regards, Haizen > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > >>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Dear Haizen, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> You are generous. > > >>>>>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here or > > >>> on > > >>>>>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in > > >>>> return ,when > > >>>>>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times the > > >>> Ego > > >>>>>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment the > > >>>> demand > > >>>>>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > > >>>> acknowledgement > > >>>>>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am not > > >>>>>> supposed to > > >>>>>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service-selfless. > > >>>>>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one > > >>> person > > >>>>>> comes > > >>>>>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and > > >>>> search > > >>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately > > >>> leaves > > >>>>>> after > > >>>>>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement moves > > >>> to > > >>>>>> another > > >>>>>>>> flat,then You feel... > > >>>>>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my > > >>> advice, > > >>>>>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the call "Please > > >>>> can > > >>>>>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me > > >>> demand, > > >>>>>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and less > > >>>>>>>> demanding. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> , "haizen" > > >>> <haizen@> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > > >>>>>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > > >>>>>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to > > >>>>>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > > >>>>>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result > > >>>>>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > > >>>>>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > > >>>>>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. > > >>>>>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > > >>>>>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire > > >>>>>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), > > >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according > > >>>>>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means > > >>>>>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. > > >>>>>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears > > >>>>>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > > >>>>>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and > > >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > > >>>>>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same > > >>>>>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > > >>>>>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > > >>>>>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > > >>>>>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for their > > >>>>>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > > >>>>>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > > >>>>>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > > >>>>>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > > >>>>>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > > >>>>>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might possibly > > >>>>>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > > >>>>>>>>> course. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > > >>>>>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Haizen Paige > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> --- In > > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > >>>>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > >>>>>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out > > >>> Your > > >>>>>> possible > > >>>>>>>> birth > > >>>>>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have > > >>> made > > >>>> me > > >>>>>> real > > >>>>>>>> happy. > > >>>>>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the > > >>> claps > > >>>> he > > >>>>>> gets > > >>>>>>>> are > > >>>>>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > >>>>>>>>>> Any way please forget it. > > >>>>>>>>>> God bless , > > >>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> , "rebbeasher" > > >>>>>>>> <rebbeasher@> > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at > > >>>> 9:56 > > >>>>>> 32n06 > > >>>>>>>> 34e47. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? > > >>>>>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? > > >>>>>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? What did they > > >>> do? > > >>>>>>>>>>> My religious nature? > > >>>>>>>>>>> The truth about my adoptive parents? > > >>>>>>>>>>> When will I meet my biological parents? > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why did I come to the US and why was I adopted? > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you! 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Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 dear bhaskarji your last observation is very good. i too have seen many people writing ramakoti i.e. writing sriram one crore times and getting positive results. writing is followed because along with writing they also recite it. of course it takes several years for a person to finish one crore. if one could do 12 crores in one lifetime, he is a highly blessed person in this kaliyuga. with best wishes pandit arjun (one word "ram" in itself is a big mantra) , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Prafullji, > > Not meaning in any way to offend You or change Your stance or not > talk in conformity with > what You say, I put my views also as under. > > When we indicate bad times to natives, it is not always to put fear > or spoil their efforts, > at times its for their own good. Suppose You see oncoming bad > financial time coming for a native, > would You not tell him, that. please pull out Your money from the > share market and no more speculations for the next 6 months or 1 > Year ? Or when You see that in no way is a particular native going to > have great aptitude in accounts, would You then give him good dreams > if he has already started persuing career in Chartered accountancy.If > his future lies in Music or drama or TV actor, would You not suggest > him that ? > > Yet- > Super human Efforts which few percentage of us possess, can change > the destiny to the required destination is, what I finally believe.As > the old adage goes, God helps those who help themselves. > If any member happens to read Late Shri Dongreji Maharaj's version of > Ramayana, it is clearly mentioned > the relation of taking Gods name vis a vis efforts vis a vis the 12 > houses of the Kundli or Horoscope. > It is clearly mentioned that if a persons does nama Japa 1 crore > times hist first house negatives written in destiny for him are > cleared, if he takes name of Ram for 2 crores his second house > negatives of wealth are cleared and so forth and so on. Finally after > 12 crores this venered respected personality has also > mentioned that a person doing Nama Japa of Lord Rama for 13 crores, > is having the power to make > Lord Rama sit in front of him just like You and me sit in some > meeting. > So the above simply shows that fatalistic attitude is not desired, > but at the same time. we need > more than ordinary efforts to counter the bad results coming in our > life, or change the course > of destiny to desired levels. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > N.B. I agree to almost to all what You have mentioned, so please note > that I am just discussing healthily., > and at times supporting Your theories with illustrations. > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri kumar ji > > > > very well said. > > > > The biggest irony is that, we defend our incompetencies (linking to > astrology) by using pointers as shani / mangal / rahu / ketu. In the > name of past glory, we boost jupiter and so on...I wanted to bring > this thread to a very serious issue. Are we astrologers not > responsbile to an large extent for these declining "will" to win / > achieve. Are we not making the population weak, by saying that - you > are destined to fail, for the planets. Should not we guide the nation > to achieve, by helping people through attributes of successful tasks > vis a vis person's strength. But jyotish has also forgot to > contribute to the country, in the name of destiny. Instead of > indicating the bad periods, we should tell how will the adoption of > trait of shani etc can help to increase performance. But in the name > of God and helping natives, do not we make them weak !! Do not > astrologers help in reducing productivity, by saying that good > muhurta is only after 4 weeks or this profession will not suit > them !!! So, the person starts the work with the doubtful itself or > lesser interest. > > > > These are serious questions. But can astrologer also follow his > professional responsibility to the nation. Instead of focussing on > scaring the natives for commercial / ego motives and then > providing "quick fix". Are we honest in terms of our obligation to > society? We may not like to question ourselves, but we have a great > role in modern India - for its present state or in bright tomorrow. > > > > Why is our astrology pursued and followed so fatalistically? > Why "quick fix" remedies suggested need to cost people ? Are we > helping people or ourselves? > > > > Why does our elected PM need to trust astrologer for muhurta, more > than his own abilities? > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing > and what not seeing." > > > > > > > > > > gbp_kumar@ > > > Sat, 5 Aug 2006 07:24:24 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > RE: Re: help please...5/8 progressive? > > > > > > Hi Prafulla, > > > Most of what u said surely applies to the whole sub- Continent, > we are a > > > few shades better, but this is a fact that Indian can;t progress > for the > > > reasons u listed and we do SHINE AS INDIVIDUALS never as team > players > > > that is why we do well even in IT, CA, Medicine, sports our team > wins > > > post Independence are very few in any sport 3 Olympic hockey gold > > > medals, 1 cricket world cup, we don't win any team game well. > for > > > states with a passion for so called self reliance [WB] they cheer > > > Brazil, Argentina. also import players none play from there and > worse > > > they are the spoil sport in all development, unions, fixed > mindsets of > > > communism which original ones have deserted. > > > WE TALK of being Independent of USA, when Japan was invaded , > destroyed > > > by US they teamed up with them in 15 years they were on par and > 20 yrs > > > ahead of them so when work is worship the goddess Lakshmi smiles > where > > > we worship communism it breeds the needless discussion, > obscurantists > > > mindsets why work ,what will i gain the company becomes richer, > they > > > never related their growth with companies. > > > the biggest curse is our film industry which even copies of > Hollywood] > > > are modified to suit a Hero from nowhere solving all issues so > we still > > > look for heroes that is all the crimes committed on us by our > invaders, > > > and terror Nations will go answered we will wait one we are > tolerant as > > > we r not affected directly, if we are what can we do we show > calm and > > > restraint, the attackers will continue, they get solidarity and > give > > > solidarity for even supposed crimes in cartoons In a foreign > county, > > > here we are cold hearted to genuine suffering\death, destruction > of our > > > nation, culture, wealth and human resources. > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > Sir > > > > > > I am talking of productivity and professional honesty. and we > have not > > > been able to grow independently for various reasons..biggest one > is our > > > productive issues. > > > > > > The moment, person blames for non happening to "stars" and does > not try > > > to identify his attributes to match the challenges, then it is > self > > > appeasing. All these quick fix "sellers" in any profession > damages the > > > most. It makes people vulnerable to the core, without any > recourse. All > > > professions have different challenges and rewards. > > > > > > The family does not progress, by a kid getting gold medal in > school. it > > > has to be economic progress and unfortunately - stardom / media > etc has > > > brought up another mess. > > > > > > Famous economic principle - A Poor is poor, because he is poor. > Why? > > > not because of resources (we all know, resources can be borrowed > etc), > > > but for sheer desire, skill and productivity. > > > > > > We work best, when we are put to tough task (not necessarily > political > > > slavery). But how many of Indians finshes their work in > designated time? > > > How many of them like to deliver of good quality? and How many of > > > Indians do not give excuse for non performance? How many of them > are > > > honest in their social / professional undertakings? How many of > Indian > > > students work on curriculum projects independently to learn? How > many of > > > Indians reach office in time? How many of them put the work as > priority > > > above their social committments? How many fresh Chartered > accountants > > > can read books of accounts? How many fresh engineers fix a car? > and so > > > on....... > > > > > > Bhaskar bhai, all are difficult and embrassing questions. so > How many > > > think honestly without any motives? A country can grow only with > honest > > > and committed work force. I do not mind people drinking (devatas > also > > > drink...), gambling and so on..as long as they work/deliver with > honesty > > > and productivity. So let us not get into the habbits. We are > discussing > > > minimum requisite characteristics for self sustainable economic > growth. > > > > > > Ofcourse, we are not talking about exceptional > people/circumsatnces. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what > seeing and > > > what not seeing." > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:47:39 -0000 > > > > > > > > Re: help please... > > > > > > > > Shri Prafullji, > > > > > > > > Again well said, but people who are responsible for this > state of > > > > affairs are another section of Indians, and we may not come > in that > > > > category. Just like Sania Mirza is good for the country and > Rathor is > > > > good for the country, yet we have no part in their goodness > to the > > > > country directly, except watching their matches over a cup of > drink > > > > on TV, same way we are also not responsible for the various > ills > > > > of India, You mentioned. We are not all, in that category of > > > > either contributing good or contributing bad to the country > state of > > > > affairs as of today. > > > > Your attributes may be more linked to the people who have been > > > > governing the country,their servants, and channels in all > sectors, > > > > who may be what You assess,(Which is right), but certainly > not all of > > > > the Indians.,today who are, or have been in the past. > > > > That is another story that we develop black stains on the > clothes > > > > working in the coal mine,its difficult to develop like a Lotus > > > > in...... > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear members > > > >> > > > >> Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness does not > affect > > > > my proud feeling. > > > >> > > > >> The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and > unproductive > > > > race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify others for our non > > > > performance (we are dishonest to ourselves) and use self > proclaimed > > > > sage status to hide our desire for materialism. The biggest > reason > > > > for our poor performance is our unproductivity in all > sectors - > > > > government, private sector, technology adoption, farming etc. > We > > > > believe in talking, chatting, finding excuses, using > diplomacy to > > > > find face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too in > world > > > > war, but they managed to progress...just for their > productivity. > > > >> > > > >> All these past glories, our great culture etc are not going > to > > > > help. It is the productive work, which determines the final > outcome. > > > > Let us name one profession, where we are honest and > productive. We > > > > have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well (IT is the > best > > > > example - where our services are monitored by non indian IT > > > > professionals and we comply to their standards, else we will > always > > > > find reason for self appeasement). > > > >> > > > >> I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, how > > > > unproductive we are, if not monitored / demanded. I know, > there may > > > > be strong messages for my above note,but I will be happy for > the fact > > > > that, i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to please > anyone. > > > >> > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >> > > > >> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what > seeing > > > > and what not seeing." > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> panditarjun2004@ > > > >>> Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 > > > >>> > > > >>> Re: help please... > > > >>> > > > >>> dear bhaskarji > > > >>> > > > >>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate > actively > > > >>> in various net groups is only because they get some > belongingness > > > >>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this > > > > mythical > > > >>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they > miss most > > > >>> of these in their real lives. > > > >>> > > > >>> but the first principle of karma theory says that if you > want > > > >>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others > happy. > > > >>> > > > >>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one > thing. > > > > india > > > >>> remained poor in material wealth only because it has > welcomed all > > > >>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away > as much > > > >>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. > religion > > > > after > > > >>> religion, country after country invaded india and they > continue to > > > >>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south > african > > > > or > > > >>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these > countries. > > > >>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on > their > > > >>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US > and > > > >>> started invading various countries is known to all. french > too > > > > set > > > >>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. > india > > > > was > > > >>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on > > > >>> religion. > > > >>> > > > >>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the > british) > > > > is > > > >>> most sought after by the entire world and they project > india in > > > > the > > > >>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. > > > >>> > > > >>> india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it > material > > > >>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being > an > > > > indian > > > >>> and praise this great country that withstood centuries of > > > > invasions > > > >>> and still going strong. > > > >>> > > > >>> with best wishes > > > >>> pandit arjun > > > >>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but > many > > > >>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the > > > > wealth > > > >>> of other countries) > > > >>> > > > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Haizen, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Some thoughts to share with You- > > > >>>> This world has become very much materialistic,specially > India. > > > >>>> I think You are based out of India,where most would be > looking > > > >>>> towards spirituality rather than material, because they are > > > > already > > > >>>> full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have > not > > > >>> seen > > > >>>> the former part and so no question of becoming full and > searching > > > >>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences and > traditional > > > >>> bring > > > >>>> ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but > the > > > > 70's > > > >>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently after > 35years. With > > > >>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and > corner, > > > >>> pubs > > > >>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all > > > > around > > > >>>> open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing > openly > > > >>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas > too,easy > > > >>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of > money > > > >>> too > > > >>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are > > > >>> academically > > > >>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay > checks > > > >>> due > > > >>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available > freely > > > >>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to > > > >>> flamboyant > > > >>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having > > > >>> hightech > > > >>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings > in > > > > some > > > >>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > > > >>>> Amongst all this, > > > >>>> People like me, little older not matching with high > academic > > > >>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > > > >>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third > stage , > > > >>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the > happennings > > > >>>> around staying put at home or office without loosening out > > > > pockets > > > >>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt > because > > > >>> though > > > >>>> we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are > living > > > >>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any > retrospection.. > > > >>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men > who > > > >>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, > to > > > >>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the problems > start > > > >>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class > > > >>> families > > > >>>> in India today. > > > >>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or > why is he > > > >>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any > type > > > >>>> of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is > left > > > >>>> to creating only limited. > > > >>>> Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual > food,the > > > >>> soul > > > >>>> wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a > man > > > > wants > > > >>>> is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being > > > >>> wanted, > > > >>>> a feeling that yes You are also required some where some > place, > > > >>> You > > > >>>> have your own identity. A single word of love or affection > coming > > > >>>> from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Thanks very much > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> , "haizen" <haizen@> > > > > wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Dear Bhakar, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if > they > > > >>> don't, > > > >>>> I had the > > > >>>>> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying > about "A > > > >>>> prophet being without > > > >>>>> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some > families > > > >>> too. > > > >>>> In the meantime, > > > >>>>> it has now been said and the words officially go on your > akashic > > > >>>> record. ;-) > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Sincerely, Haizen > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > >>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Dear Haizen , > > > >>>>>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone > in my > > > >>>> family > > > >>>>>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet..... > (Again > > > >>>>>> demanding) > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> regards/Bhaskar. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> -- In , "haizen" > <haizen@> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> You're a good man. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Warm regards, Haizen > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > >>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Haizen, > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> You are generous. > > > >>>>>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here > or > > > >>> on > > > >>>>>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in > > > >>>> return ,when > > > >>>>>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times > the > > > >>> Ego > > > >>>>>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment > the > > > >>>> demand > > > >>>>>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > > > >>>> acknowledgement > > > >>>>>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am > not > > > >>>>>> supposed to > > > >>>>>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service- selfless. > > > >>>>>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one > > > >>> person > > > >>>>>> comes > > > >>>>>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and > > > >>>> search > > > >>>>>> for > > > >>>>>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately > > > >>> leaves > > > >>>>>> after > > > >>>>>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement > moves > > > >>> to > > > >>>>>> another > > > >>>>>>>> flat,then You feel... > > > >>>>>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my > > > >>> advice, > > > >>>>>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the > call "Please > > > >>>> can > > > >>>>>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me > > > >>> demand, > > > >>>>>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and > less > > > >>>>>>>> demanding. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> , "haizen" > > > >>> <haizen@> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > > > >>>>>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > > > >>>>>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to > > > >>>>>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > > > >>>>>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result > > > >>>>>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > > > >>>>>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > > > >>>>>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. > > > >>>>>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > > > >>>>>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire > > > >>>>>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), > > > >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according > > > >>>>>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means > > > >>>>>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. > > > >>>>>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears > > > >>>>>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > > > >>>>>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and > > > >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > > > >>>>>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same > > > >>>>>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > > > >>>>>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > > > >>>>>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > > > >>>>>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for their > > > >>>>>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > > > >>>>>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > > > >>>>>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > > > >>>>>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > > > >>>>>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > > > >>>>>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might > possibly > > > >>>>>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > > > >>>>>>>>> course. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > > > >>>>>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Haizen Paige > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> --- In > > > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > >>>>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > > >>>>>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out > > > >>> Your > > > >>>>>> possible > > > >>>>>>>> birth > > > >>>>>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have > > > >>> made > > > >>>> me > > > >>>>>> real > > > >>>>>>>> happy. > > > >>>>>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the > > > >>> claps > > > >>>> he > > > >>>>>> gets > > > >>>>>>>> are > > > >>>>>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > > >>>>>>>>>> Any way please forget it. > > > >>>>>>>>>> God bless , > > > >>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> , "rebbeasher" > > > >>>>>>>> <rebbeasher@> > > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at > > > >>>> 9:56 > > > >>>>>> 32n06 > > > >>>>>>>> 34e47. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? > > > >>>>>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? 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Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Shri Panditji, Pranams, Yes Sir, writing is prescribed by many sages including Sivanandji of Hardiwar (Rishikesh), in his book too 'Japa Yoga'. because when a person writes one word by the time he finishes writing the last letter of that word already he has recited name in his mind several times (1-3 times) and his mind is focused ie. does not waver here and there when a person writes and does nama Japa together. Of course mansic Japa with image of diety in mind while sitting in mediatation is always best, but results follow ultimately by persuing all ways, just bhakta should have prem, shradha and bhakti to his diety coupled with proper life style. affectionately/Bhaskar. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear bhaskarji > > your last observation is very good. i too have seen many people > writing ramakoti i.e. writing sriram one crore times and getting > positive results. writing is followed because along with writing > they also recite it. of course it takes several years for a person > to finish one crore. if one could do 12 crores in one lifetime, he > is a highly blessed person in this kaliyuga. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > (one word "ram" in itself is a big mantra) > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prafullji, > > > > Not meaning in any way to offend You or change Your stance or not > > talk in conformity with > > what You say, I put my views also as under. > > > > When we indicate bad times to natives, it is not always to put > fear > > or spoil their efforts, > > at times its for their own good. Suppose You see oncoming bad > > financial time coming for a native, > > would You not tell him, that. please pull out Your money from the > > share market and no more speculations for the next 6 months or 1 > > Year ? Or when You see that in no way is a particular native going > to > > have great aptitude in accounts, would You then give him good > dreams > > if he has already started persuing career in Chartered > accountancy.If > > his future lies in Music or drama or TV actor, would You not > suggest > > him that ? > > > > Yet- > > Super human Efforts which few percentage of us possess, can change > > the destiny to the required destination is, what I finally > believe.As > > the old adage goes, God helps those who help themselves. > > If any member happens to read Late Shri Dongreji Maharaj's version > of > > Ramayana, it is clearly mentioned > > the relation of taking Gods name vis a vis efforts vis a vis the > 12 > > houses of the Kundli or Horoscope. > > It is clearly mentioned that if a persons does nama Japa 1 crore > > times hist first house negatives written in destiny for him are > > cleared, if he takes name of Ram for 2 crores his second house > > negatives of wealth are cleared and so forth and so on. Finally > after > > 12 crores this venered respected personality has also > > mentioned that a person doing Nama Japa of Lord Rama for 13 > crores, > > is having the power to make > > Lord Rama sit in front of him just like You and me sit in some > > meeting. > > So the above simply shows that fatalistic attitude is not desired, > > but at the same time. we need > > more than ordinary efforts to counter the bad results coming in > our > > life, or change the course > > of destiny to desired levels. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > N.B. I agree to almost to all what You have mentioned, so please > note > > that I am just discussing healthily., > > and at times supporting Your theories with illustrations. > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri kumar ji > > > > > > very well said. > > > > > > The biggest irony is that, we defend our incompetencies (linking > to > > astrology) by using pointers as shani / mangal / rahu / ketu. In > the > > name of past glory, we boost jupiter and so on...I wanted to bring > > this thread to a very serious issue. Are we astrologers not > > responsbile to an large extent for these declining "will" to win / > > achieve. Are we not making the population weak, by saying that - > you > > are destined to fail, for the planets. Should not we guide the > nation > > to achieve, by helping people through attributes of successful > tasks > > vis a vis person's strength. But jyotish has also forgot to > > contribute to the country, in the name of destiny. Instead of > > indicating the bad periods, we should tell how will the adoption > of > > trait of shani etc can help to increase performance. But in the > name > > of God and helping natives, do not we make them weak !! Do not > > astrologers help in reducing productivity, by saying that good > > muhurta is only after 4 weeks or this profession will not suit > > them !!! So, the person starts the work with the doubtful itself > or > > lesser interest. > > > > > > These are serious questions. But can astrologer also follow his > > professional responsibility to the nation. Instead of focussing on > > scaring the natives for commercial / ego motives and then > > providing "quick fix". Are we honest in terms of our obligation to > > society? We may not like to question ourselves, but we have a > great > > role in modern India - for its present state or in bright > tomorrow. > > > > > > Why is our astrology pursued and followed so fatalistically? > > Why "quick fix" remedies suggested need to cost people ? Are we > > helping people or ourselves? > > > > > > Why does our elected PM need to trust astrologer for muhurta, > more > > than his own abilities? > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what > seeing > > and what not seeing." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gbp_kumar@ > > > > Sat, 5 Aug 2006 07:24:24 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > RE: Re: help please...5/8 progressive? > > > > > > > > Hi Prafulla, > > > > Most of what u said surely applies to the whole sub- > Continent, > > we are a > > > > few shades better, but this is a fact that Indian can;t > progress > > for the > > > > reasons u listed and we do SHINE AS INDIVIDUALS never as team > > players > > > > that is why we do well even in IT, CA, Medicine, sports our > team > > wins > > > > post Independence are very few in any sport 3 Olympic hockey > gold > > > > medals, 1 cricket world cup, we don't win any team game > well. > > for > > > > states with a passion for so called self reliance [WB] they > cheer > > > > Brazil, Argentina. also import players none play from there > and > > worse > > > > they are the spoil sport in all development, unions, fixed > > mindsets of > > > > communism which original ones have deserted. > > > > WE TALK of being Independent of USA, when Japan was > invaded , > > destroyed > > > > by US they teamed up with them in 15 years they were on par > and > > 20 yrs > > > > ahead of them so when work is worship the goddess Lakshmi > smiles > > where > > > > we worship communism it breeds the needless discussion, > > obscurantists > > > > mindsets why work ,what will i gain the company becomes > richer, > > they > > > > never related their growth with companies. > > > > the biggest curse is our film industry which even copies of > > Hollywood] > > > > are modified to suit a Hero from nowhere solving all issues > so > > we still > > > > look for heroes that is all the crimes committed on us by our > > invaders, > > > > and terror Nations will go answered we will wait one we are > > tolerant as > > > > we r not affected directly, if we are what can we do we show > > calm and > > > > restraint, the attackers will continue, they get solidarity > and > > give > > > > solidarity for even supposed crimes in cartoons In a foreign > > county, > > > > here we are cold hearted to genuine suffering\death, > destruction > > of our > > > > nation, culture, wealth and human resources. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > I am talking of productivity and professional honesty. and we > > have not > > > > been able to grow independently for various reasons..biggest > one > > is our > > > > productive issues. > > > > > > > > The moment, person blames for non happening to "stars" and > does > > not try > > > > to identify his attributes to match the challenges, then it > is > > self > > > > appeasing. All these quick fix "sellers" in any profession > > damages the > > > > most. It makes people vulnerable to the core, without any > > recourse. All > > > > professions have different challenges and rewards. > > > > > > > > The family does not progress, by a kid getting gold medal in > > school. it > > > > has to be economic progress and unfortunately - stardom / > media > > etc has > > > > brought up another mess. > > > > > > > > Famous economic principle - A Poor is poor, because he is > poor. > > Why? > > > > not because of resources (we all know, resources can be > borrowed > > etc), > > > > but for sheer desire, skill and productivity. > > > > > > > > We work best, when we are put to tough task (not necessarily > > political > > > > slavery). But how many of Indians finshes their work in > > designated time? > > > > How many of them like to deliver of good quality? and How many > of > > > > Indians do not give excuse for non performance? How many of > them > > are > > > > honest in their social / professional undertakings? How many > of > > Indian > > > > students work on curriculum projects independently to learn? > How > > many of > > > > Indians reach office in time? How many of them put the work > as > > priority > > > > above their social committments? How many fresh Chartered > > accountants > > > > can read books of accounts? How many fresh engineers fix a > car? > > and so > > > > on....... > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhai, all are difficult and embrassing questions. so > > How many > > > > think honestly without any motives? A country can grow only > with > > honest > > > > and committed work force. I do not mind people drinking > (devatas > > also > > > > drink...), gambling and so on..as long as they work/deliver > with > > honesty > > > > and productivity. So let us not get into the habbits. We are > > discussing > > > > minimum requisite characteristics for self sustainable > economic > > growth. > > > > > > > > Ofcourse, we are not talking about exceptional > > people/circumsatnces. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what > > seeing and > > > > what not seeing." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:47:39 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > Re: help please... > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prafullji, > > > > > > > > > > Again well said, but people who are responsible for this > > state of > > > > > affairs are another section of Indians, and we may not > come > > in that > > > > > category. Just like Sania Mirza is good for the country > and > > Rathor is > > > > > good for the country, yet we have no part in their > goodness > > to the > > > > > country directly, except watching their matches over a cup > of > > drink > > > > > on TV, same way we are also not responsible for the > various > > ills > > > > > of India, You mentioned. We are not all, in that category > of > > > > > either contributing good or contributing bad to the > country > > state of > > > > > affairs as of today. > > > > > Your attributes may be more linked to the people who have > been > > > > > governing the country,their servants, and channels in all > > sectors, > > > > > who may be what You assess,(Which is right), but certainly > > not all of > > > > > the Indians.,today who are, or have been in the past. > > > > > That is another story that we develop black stains on the > > clothes > > > > > working in the coal mine,its difficult to develop like a > Lotus > > > > > in...... > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Dear members > > > > >> > > > > >> Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness does > not > > affect > > > > > my proud feeling. > > > > >> > > > > >> The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and > > unproductive > > > > > race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify others for our non > > > > > performance (we are dishonest to ourselves) and use self > > proclaimed > > > > > sage status to hide our desire for materialism. The > biggest > > reason > > > > > for our poor performance is our unproductivity in all > > sectors - > > > > > government, private sector, technology adoption, farming > etc. > > We > > > > > believe in talking, chatting, finding excuses, using > > diplomacy to > > > > > find face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too > in > > world > > > > > war, but they managed to progress...just for their > > productivity. > > > > >> > > > > >> All these past glories, our great culture etc are not > going > > to > > > > > help. It is the productive work, which determines the > final > > outcome. > > > > > Let us name one profession, where we are honest and > > productive. We > > > > > have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well (IT is > the > > best > > > > > example - where our services are monitored by non indian IT > > > > > professionals and we comply to their standards, else we > will > > always > > > > > find reason for self appeasement). > > > > >> > > > > >> I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, how > > > > > unproductive we are, if not monitored / demanded. I know, > > there may > > > > > be strong messages for my above note,but I will be happy > for > > the fact > > > > > that, i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to > please > > anyone. > > > > >> > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > >> > > > > >> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for > what > > seeing > > > > > and what not seeing." > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> panditarjun2004@ > > > > >>> Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Re: help please... > > > > >>> > > > > >>> dear bhaskarji > > > > >>> > > > > >>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or > participate > > actively > > > > >>> in various net groups is only because they get some > > belongingness > > > > >>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in > this > > > > > mythical > > > > >>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they > > miss most > > > > >>> of these in their real lives. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> but the first principle of karma theory says that if you > > want > > > > >>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make > others > > happy. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one > > thing. > > > > > india > > > > >>> remained poor in material wealth only because it has > > welcomed all > > > > >>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and take > away > > as much > > > > >>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. > > religion > > > > > after > > > > >>> religion, country after country invaded india and they > > continue to > > > > >>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, > south > > african > > > > > or > > > > >>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these > > countries. > > > > >>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come > on > > their > > > > >>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the > US > > and > > > > >>> started invading various countries is known to all. > french > > too > > > > > set > > > > >>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing > countries. > > india > > > > > was > > > > >>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions > based on > > > > >>> religion. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the > > british) > > > > > is > > > > >>> most sought after by the entire world and they project > > india in > > > > > the > > > > >>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> india has, is and would always be at the giving end be > it > > material > > > > >>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of > being > > an > > > > > indian > > > > >>> and praise this great country that withstood centuries of > > > > > invasions > > > > >>> and still going strong. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> with best wishes > > > > >>> pandit arjun > > > > >>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions > but > > many > > > > >>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing > the > > > > > wealth > > > > >>> of other countries) > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > > >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Dear Haizen, > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Some thoughts to share with You- > > > > >>>> This world has become very much materialistic,specially > > India. > > > > >>>> I think You are based out of India,where most would be > > looking > > > > >>>> towards spirituality rather than material, because they > are > > > > > already > > > > >>>> full there with the latter(General statement).Here we > have > > not > > > > >>> seen > > > > >>>> the former part and so no question of becoming full and > > searching > > > > >>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences and > > traditional > > > > >>> bring > > > > >>>> ups in individual families, the essence has remained, > but > > the > > > > > 70's > > > > >>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently after > > 35years. With > > > > >>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and > > corner, > > > > >>> pubs > > > > >>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos > all > > > > > around > > > > >>>> open full night.liberisation of media > broadcasting,boozing > > openly > > > > >>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas > > too,easy > > > > >>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility > of > > money > > > > >>> too > > > > >>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are > > > > >>> academically > > > > >>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good > pay > > checks > > > > >>> due > > > > >>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is > available > > freely > > > > >>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading > to > > > > >>> flamboyant > > > > >>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is > having > > > > >>> hightech > > > > >>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending > evenings > > in > > > > > some > > > > >>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > > > > >>>> Amongst all this, > > > > >>>> People like me, little older not matching with high > > academic > > > > >>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such > as > > > > >>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or say > third > > stage , > > > > >>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the > > happennings > > > > >>>> around staying put at home or office without loosening > out > > > > > pockets > > > > >>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt > > because > > > > >>> though > > > > >>>> we may be understanding, others around us with whom we > are > > living > > > > >>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any > > retrospection.. > > > > >>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the > men > > who > > > > >>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is > limited, > > to > > > > >>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the > problems > > start > > > > >>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most middle > class > > > > >>> families > > > > >>>> in India today. > > > > >>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or > > why is he > > > > >>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any > > type > > > > >>>> of harakiri in business or professional activities , he > is > > left > > > > >>>> to creating only limited. > > > > >>>> Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual > > food,the > > > > >>> soul > > > > >>>> wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what > a > > man > > > > > wants > > > > >>>> is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of > being > > > > >>> wanted, > > > > >>>> a feeling that yes You are also required some where > some > > place, > > > > >>> You > > > > >>>> have your own identity. A single word of love or > affection > > coming > > > > >>>> from the heart is what is required, to make You > complete. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Thanks very much > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> , "haizen" > <haizen@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Dear Bhakar, > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But > if > > they > > > > >>> don't, > > > > >>>> I had the > > > > >>>>> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying > > about "A > > > > >>>> prophet being without > > > > >>>>> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some > > families > > > > >>> too. > > > > >>>> In the meantime, > > > > >>>>> it has now been said and the words officially go on > your > > akashic > > > > >>>> record. ;-) > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Sincerely, Haizen > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > > >>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Dear Haizen , > > > > >>>>>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish > someone > > in my > > > > >>>> family > > > > >>>>>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet..... > > (Again > > > > >>>>>> demanding) > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> regards/Bhaskar. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> -- In , "haizen" > > <haizen@> > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> You're a good man. > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> Warm regards, Haizen > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > > >>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Haizen, > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> You are generous. > > > > >>>>>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless > service,here > > or > > > > >>> on > > > > >>>>>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in > > > > >>>> return ,when > > > > >>>>>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at > times > > the > > > > >>> Ego > > > > >>>>>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak > moment > > the > > > > >>>> demand > > > > >>>>>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > > > > >>>> acknowledgement > > > > >>>>>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I > am > > not > > > > >>>>>> supposed to > > > > >>>>>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service- > selfless. > > > > >>>>>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and > one > > > > >>> person > > > > >>>>>> comes > > > > >>>>>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house > and > > > > >>>> search > > > > >>>>>> for > > > > >>>>>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he > immediately > > > > >>> leaves > > > > >>>>>> after > > > > >>>>>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement > > moves > > > > >>> to > > > > >>>>>> another > > > > >>>>>>>> flat,then You feel... > > > > >>>>>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving > my > > > > >>> advice, > > > > >>>>>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the > > call "Please > > > > >>>> can > > > > >>>>>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me > > > > >>> demand, > > > > >>>>>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time > and > > less > > > > >>>>>>>> demanding. > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> , "haizen" > > > > >>> <haizen@> > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your > valuable > > > > >>>>>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > > > > >>>>>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to > > > > >>>>>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > > > > >>>>>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result > > > > >>>>>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > > > > >>>>>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > > > > >>>>>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. > > > > >>>>>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire > > > > >>>>>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart > (!), > > > > >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according > > > > >>>>>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means > > > > >>>>>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. > > > > >>>>>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears > > > > >>>>>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the > astrologer, > > > > >>>>>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and > > > > >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > > > > >>>>>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same > > > > >>>>>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > > > > >>>>>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or > not > > > > >>>>>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things > only, > > > > >>>>>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for > their > > > > >>>>>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but > it > > > > >>>>>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > > > > >>>>>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the > astrologer > > > > >>>>>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are > truly > > > > >>>>>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from > illness, or > > > > >>>>>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might > > possibly > > > > >>>>>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > > > > >>>>>>>>> course. > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > > > > >>>>>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Haizen Paige > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> --- In > > > > >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > > >>>>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out > > > > >>> Your > > > > >>>>>> possible > > > > >>>>>>>> birth > > > > >>>>>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would > have > > > > >>> made > > > > >>>> me > > > > >>>>>> real > > > > >>>>>>>> happy. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the > > > > >>> claps > > > > >>>> he > > > > >>>>>> gets > > > > >>>>>>>> are > > > > >>>>>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Any way please forget it. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> God bless , > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > , "rebbeasher" > > > > >>>>>>>> <rebbeasher@> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is > 7/7/1977 at > > > > >>>> 9:56 > > > > >>>>>> 32n06 > > > > >>>>>>>> 34e47. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? 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Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Shri Prafuulji, Agreed not many astrologers are equipped with this knowledge to differentiate in many avenues as parameters are changing and additions being made. That is why I say most of us will ever be students, as always that incompleteness of knowledge is felt in the consciousness, but its good in a way it then paves way for further study which then becomes a never ending process.,much needed for suucess in any profession. I have myself suffered at hands of fradulent astrologers, since age of 17,the reason which lead me to study of this divine science. Even today if I happen to meet some Expert Guru, which is rare, I go to Him with my Horoscope for advice. Commercial aspect/Ego does make some Jyotishis at times to exceed or undermine the limits which the horoscope shows meant for the native.He may talk what the client wants to listen. (Only talking about absolutely commercialsed people in this profession). Again as You mentioned fatalistic approach of the Jyotishis towards classics may render him closed to new developments by others in his line who have come up with something new, or mastered some technique laid down in the classics and preseneted it in a new way. Words spoken from their mouths also have to be chosen properly before they are uttered, it does effect the listeners phsyche whatever may be his age, more so if he is a teenager.Knowledge of world affairs, happennings, advances around us, have to be updated by watching news, TV,papers etc. so that the Jyotishi has a nutshell idea of most of the topics he would be spoken to about.Because as You mentioned there is so wide deviation that it is difficult for a native himself to choose a subject with many ancillaries so what to say about the astrologer. You mentioned- India is suffering for unproductivity / inefficiency etc and jyotish is one of the contributory in those reasons. This is a true statement You mentioned, but the other way round also could be a proper view.You cannot deny existence of this too. That- India is productive and efficient in whatever percentage it may be,with Jyotish as a contributory cause.,as Jyotish gives hopes to, and real ones at that, to disheartened, out of track, laid back, lost hope souls, who have felt that their life is a waste.,and were rendered unproductive because of these thoughts, who after visiting Jyotishis have started working with better efforts after having got new fervour,energy,vitality,sparks in their eyes waiting for real dreams or aspirations to come alive in near or distant future. Regards/bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > Firstly, I am inclined to clarify that - we are not writing to displease / please anyone or say we are not writing to win arguments. We write to share our views, thoughts, opinions and experiences. and in the process, though it may sound as argumentative, it helps each other in correcting or learning (atleast to me). > > I am not rediculing astrology or remedial measure. On the contrary, I am looking at astrology as constructive contributory force in time to come. Yes, for that cause - the astrological pursuits will require little more maturity and little deviation from fatalistic approach. > > Most natives (including me), often solicit jyotish advise for our various worldly pursuits. What I observed was not necessarily my experience, as - I have been very selective in seeking "jyotish" opinion and have always tried to seek consultation from the astrologers, who look jyotish as constructive force instead of it being as strictly spiritual and fatalistic one. One may say, I have been lucky to find such people as well. > > The bigger issue - jyotish has so many parameters. How many jyotishi are so well versed with complexities of modern yuga. Most jyotishi are not exposed to new career opportunities and basic ingredients of success into them. One will gain from gold / steel etc statements are no longer that simple. I remember, one very good astrologer predicting me (when I was in school) that, I will not be able to pursue education beyond the age of 20. Can you imagine the pressure, one boy can undergo with those statements. Fortunately, I could finish my Chartered Accountancy before the age of 20 (as youngest in India) and was never needed to study thereafter (ofcourse, learning has always been conintuous process). Take this as an example - and just see, how could an astrologer easily torment boy's enthuasism and dreams, in the name of divinity. His prediction also came true, so I can not redicule astrology. Likewise, each one of us may find jyotishi affecting productivity directly or indirectly. How can a jyotishi know more than a person doing his work - but invariably he ends up meddling with the traits, without actully knowing the "needs" of the issue. Modern career related or economy related challenges are still being handled by astrologer's limited perspective (for his lack of education, his fanatic approach towards classics and so on - assuming he is a good astrologer). This problem is compouned, when his ego or commercial interest leads him to exceed his role / limit. > > Bhaskar ji, yes jyotishi can certainly read that native may be successful in IT than in chartered accountancy. But how many astrologers really know well about the complexities of both the professions and new opportunities emerging in both. and within the same set of opportunities - the attributes required move from one tangent to another (extreme deviation). modern communication / transportation facilities, Outsourcing / remote working environment and emerging technologies etc have diluted the direction related selection in many professions. and I am sure, many will agree that not many astrologers are equipped to guide. The similiar complexities exist even in core professions like agriculture, crafts etc. > > India is suffering for unproductivity / inefficiency etc and jyotish is one of the contributory in those reasons. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Of all the thing I have lost in my life . . . I miss my mind the most . . > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > Sun, 06 Aug 2006 07:29:24 -0000 > > > > Re: help please...5/8 progressive? > > > > > > Dear Prafullji, > > > > Not meaning in any way to offend You or change Your stance or not > > talk in conformity with > > what You say, I put my views also as under. > > > > When we indicate bad times to natives, it is not always to put fear > > or spoil their efforts, > > at times its for their own good. Suppose You see oncoming bad > > financial time coming for a native, > > would You not tell him, that. please pull out Your money from the > > share market and no more speculations for the next 6 months or 1 > > Year ? Or when You see that in no way is a particular native going to > > have great aptitude in accounts, would You then give him good dreams > > if he has already started persuing career in Chartered accountancy.If > > his future lies in Music or drama or TV actor, would You not suggest > > him that ? > > > > Yet- > > Super human Efforts which few percentage of us possess, can change > > the destiny to the required destination is, what I finally believe.As > > the old adage goes, God helps those who help themselves. > > If any member happens to read Late Shri Dongreji Maharaj's version of > > Ramayana, it is clearly mentioned > > the relation of taking Gods name vis a vis efforts vis a vis the 12 > > houses of the Kundli or Horoscope. > > It is clearly mentioned that if a persons does nama Japa 1 crore > > times hist first house negatives written in destiny for him are > > cleared, if he takes name of Ram for 2 crores his second house > > negatives of wealth are cleared and so forth and so on. Finally after > > 12 crores this venered respected personality has also > > mentioned that a person doing Nama Japa of Lord Rama for 13 crores, > > is having the power to make > > Lord Rama sit in front of him just like You and me sit in some > > meeting. > > So the above simply shows that fatalistic attitude is not desired, > > but at the same time. we need > > more than ordinary efforts to counter the bad results coming in our > > life, or change the course > > of destiny to desired levels. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > N.B. I agree to almost to all what You have mentioned, so please note > > that I am just discussing healthily., > > and at times supporting Your theories with illustrations. > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Shri kumar ji > >> > >> very well said. > >> > >> The biggest irony is that, we defend our incompetencies (linking to > > astrology) by using pointers as shani / mangal / rahu / ketu. In the > > name of past glory, we boost jupiter and so on...I wanted to bring > > this thread to a very serious issue. Are we astrologers not > > responsbile to an large extent for these declining "will" to win / > > achieve. Are we not making the population weak, by saying that - you > > are destined to fail, for the planets. Should not we guide the nation > > to achieve, by helping people through attributes of successful tasks > > vis a vis person's strength. But jyotish has also forgot to > > contribute to the country, in the name of destiny. Instead of > > indicating the bad periods, we should tell how will the adoption of > > trait of shani etc can help to increase performance. But in the name > > of God and helping natives, do not we make them weak !! Do not > > astrologers help in reducing productivity, by saying that good > > muhurta is only after 4 weeks or this profession will not suit > > them !!! So, the person starts the work with the doubtful itself or > > lesser interest. > >> > >> These are serious questions. But can astrologer also follow his > > professional responsibility to the nation. Instead of focussing on > > scaring the natives for commercial / ego motives and then > > providing "quick fix". Are we honest in terms of our obligation to > > society? We may not like to question ourselves, but we have a great > > role in modern India - for its present state or in bright tomorrow. > >> > >> Why is our astrology pursued and followed so fatalistically? > > Why "quick fix" remedies suggested need to cost people ? Are we > > helping people or ourselves? > >> > >> Why does our elected PM need to trust astrologer for muhurta, more > > than his own abilities? > >> > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what seeing > > and what not seeing." > >> > >> > >>> > >>> gbp_kumar@ > >>> Sat, 5 Aug 2006 07:24:24 -0700 (PDT) > >>> > >>> RE: Re: help please...5/8 progressive? > >>> > >>> Hi Prafulla, > >>> Most of what u said surely applies to the whole sub-Continent, > > we are a > >>> few shades better, but this is a fact that Indian can;t progress > > for the > >>> reasons u listed and we do SHINE AS INDIVIDUALS never as team > > players > >>> that is why we do well even in IT, CA, Medicine, sports our team > > wins > >>> post Independence are very few in any sport 3 Olympic hockey gold > >>> medals, 1 cricket world cup, we don't win any team game well. > > for > >>> states with a passion for so called self reliance [WB] they cheer > >>> Brazil, Argentina. also import players none play from there and > > worse > >>> they are the spoil sport in all development, unions, fixed > > mindsets of > >>> communism which original ones have deserted. > >>> WE TALK of being Independent of USA, when Japan was invaded , > > destroyed > >>> by US they teamed up with them in 15 years they were on par and > > 20 yrs > >>> ahead of them so when work is worship the goddess Lakshmi smiles > > where > >>> we worship communism it breeds the needless discussion, > > obscurantists > >>> mindsets why work ,what will i gain the company becomes richer, > > they > >>> never related their growth with companies. > >>> the biggest curse is our film industry which even copies of > > Hollywood] > >>> are modified to suit a Hero from nowhere solving all issues so > > we still > >>> look for heroes that is all the crimes committed on us by our > > invaders, > >>> and terror Nations will go answered we will wait one we are > > tolerant as > >>> we r not affected directly, if we are what can we do we show > > calm and > >>> restraint, the attackers will continue, they get solidarity and > > give > >>> solidarity for even supposed crimes in cartoons In a foreign > > county, > >>> here we are cold hearted to genuine suffering\death, destruction > > of our > >>> nation, culture, wealth and human resources. > >>> > >>> . > >>> > >>> > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>> Sir > >>> > >>> I am talking of productivity and professional honesty. and we > > have not > >>> been able to grow independently for various reasons..biggest one > > is our > >>> productive issues. > >>> > >>> The moment, person blames for non happening to "stars" and does > > not try > >>> to identify his attributes to match the challenges, then it is > > self > >>> appeasing. All these quick fix "sellers" in any profession > > damages the > >>> most. It makes people vulnerable to the core, without any > > recourse. All > >>> professions have different challenges and rewards. > >>> > >>> The family does not progress, by a kid getting gold medal in > > school. it > >>> has to be economic progress and unfortunately - stardom / media > > etc has > >>> brought up another mess. > >>> > >>> Famous economic principle - A Poor is poor, because he is poor. > > Why? > >>> not because of resources (we all know, resources can be borrowed > > etc), > >>> but for sheer desire, skill and productivity. > >>> > >>> We work best, when we are put to tough task (not necessarily > > political > >>> slavery). But how many of Indians finshes their work in > > designated time? > >>> How many of them like to deliver of good quality? and How many of > >>> Indians do not give excuse for non performance? How many of them > > are > >>> honest in their social / professional undertakings? How many of > > Indian > >>> students work on curriculum projects independently to learn? How > > many of > >>> Indians reach office in time? How many of them put the work as > > priority > >>> above their social committments? How many fresh Chartered > > accountants > >>> can read books of accounts? How many fresh engineers fix a car? > > and so > >>> on....... > >>> > >>> Bhaskar bhai, all are difficult and embrassing questions. so > > How many > >>> think honestly without any motives? A country can grow only with > > honest > >>> and committed work force. I do not mind people drinking (devatas > > also > >>> drink...), gambling and so on..as long as they work/deliver with > > honesty > >>> and productivity. So let us not get into the habbits. We are > > discussing > >>> minimum requisite characteristics for self sustainable economic > > growth. > >>> > >>> Ofcourse, we are not talking about exceptional > > people/circumsatnces. > >>> > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>> > >>> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what > > seeing and > >>> what not seeing." > >>> > >>> > > >>> > bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>> > Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:47:39 -0000 > >>> > > >>> > Re: help please... > >>> > > >>> > Shri Prafullji, > >>> > > >>> > Again well said, but people who are responsible for this > > state of > >>> > affairs are another section of Indians, and we may not come > > in that > >>> > category. Just like Sania Mirza is good for the country and > > Rathor is > >>> > good for the country, yet we have no part in their goodness > > to the > >>> > country directly, except watching their matches over a cup of > > drink > >>> > on TV, same way we are also not responsible for the various > > ills > >>> > of India, You mentioned. We are not all, in that category of > >>> > either contributing good or contributing bad to the country > > state of > >>> > affairs as of today. > >>> > Your attributes may be more linked to the people who have been > >>> > governing the country,their servants, and channels in all > > sectors, > >>> > who may be what You assess,(Which is right), but certainly > > not all of > >>> > the Indians.,today who are, or have been in the past. > >>> > That is another story that we develop black stains on the > > clothes > >>> > working in the coal mine,its difficult to develop like a Lotus > >>> > in...... > >>> > > >>> > regards/Bhaskar. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > >>> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Dear members > >>> >> > >>> >> Yes I am proud Indian, but accepting our weakness does not > > affect > >>> > my proud feeling. > >>> >> > >>> >> The fact remains that - we are a weak, lithargic and > > unproductive > >>> > race. We use rahu/ketu/shani to justify others for our non > >>> > performance (we are dishonest to ourselves) and use self > > proclaimed > >>> > sage status to hide our desire for materialism. The biggest > > reason > >>> > for our poor performance is our unproductivity in all > > sectors - > >>> > government, private sector, technology adoption, farming etc. > > We > >>> > believe in talking, chatting, finding excuses, using > > diplomacy to > >>> > find face saving grace and so on. Japan was tormented too in > > world > >>> > war, but they managed to progress...just for their > > productivity. > >>> >> > >>> >> All these past glories, our great culture etc are not going > > to > >>> > help. It is the productive work, which determines the final > > outcome. > >>> > Let us name one profession, where we are honest and > > productive. We > >>> > have been slaves, and when ruled by others do well (IT is the > > best > >>> > example - where our services are monitored by non indian IT > >>> > professionals and we comply to their standards, else we will > > always > >>> > find reason for self appeasement). > >>> >> > >>> >> I have worked in various cultures, and am sure that, how > >>> > unproductive we are, if not monitored / demanded. I know, > > there may > >>> > be strong messages for my above note,but I will be happy for > > the fact > >>> > that, i wrote - what I observed, understood and not to please > > anyone. > >>> >> > >>> >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>> >> > >>> >> "Every brain of being human to think and to reason, for what > > seeing > >>> > and what not seeing." > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> panditarjun2004@ > >>> >>> Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:52:03 -0000 > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Re: help please... > >>> >>> > >>> >>> dear bhaskarji > >>> >>> > >>> >>> most (not all) people who enter chat rooms or participate > > actively > >>> >>> in various net groups is only because they get some > > belongingness > >>> >>> and acceptance and love and warmth showered on them in this > >>> > mythical > >>> >>> web which is real and unreal both. needless to say they > > miss most > >>> >>> of these in their real lives. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> but the first principle of karma theory says that if you > > want > >>> >>> happiness, you have to give happines first i.e. make others > > happy. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> as regards your praising the west, i can tell only one > > thing. > >>> > india > >>> >>> remained poor in material wealth only because it has > > welcomed all > >>> >>> looters and allowed them to loot our country and take away > > as much > >>> >>> wealth as they can in shiploads to their countries. > > religion > >>> > after > >>> >>> religion, country after country invaded india and they > > continue to > >>> >>> do so. you ask any australian, indian, zimbabwian, south > > african > >>> > or > >>> >>> even a hongkong chinese how british have looted these > > countries. > >>> >>> how US has used nuclear bomb and made the #1 japan come on > > their > >>> >>> knees, forced it to invest trillions of dollars in the US > > and > >>> >>> started invading various countries is known to all. french > > too > >>> > set > >>> >>> up their own colonies. china too is annexing countries. > > india > >>> > was > >>> >>> sliced and chopped into tiny kingdoms and divisions based on > >>> >>> religion. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> still the leftover indian bone (all flesh looted by the > > british) > >>> > is > >>> >>> most sought after by the entire world and they project > > india in > >>> > the > >>> >>> top three super powers in the world by 2050. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> india has, is and would always be at the giving end be it > > material > >>> >>> wealth or intellectual wealth. one must be proud of being > > an > >>> > indian > >>> >>> and praise this great country that withstood centuries of > >>> > invasions > >>> >>> and still going strong. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> with best wishes > >>> >>> pandit arjun > >>> >>> (to steal others' wealth is a sin as per all religions but > > many > >>> >>> superpowers of today became superpowers only by stealing the > >>> > wealth > >>> >>> of other countries) > >>> >>> > >>> >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>> >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Dear Haizen, > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Some thoughts to share with You- > >>> >>>> This world has become very much materialistic,specially > > India. > >>> >>>> I think You are based out of India,where most would be > > looking > >>> >>>> towards spirituality rather than material, because they are > >>> > already > >>> >>>> full there with the latter(General statement).Here we have > > not > >>> >>> seen > >>> >>>> the former part and so no question of becoming full and > > searching > >>> >>>> better options. Yet due to cultural influences and > > traditional > >>> >>> bring > >>> >>>> ups in individual families, the essence has remained, but > > the > >>> > 70's > >>> >>>> boom of USA is now the India story currently after > > 35years. With > >>> >>>> so many malls coming around every city in ever nook and > > corner, > >>> >>> pubs > >>> >>>> in every lane, massage parlours in every street, discos all > >>> > around > >>> >>>> open full night.liberisation of media broadcasting,boozing > > openly > >>> >>>> below every building especially in Bombay in posh areas > > too,easy > >>> >>>> access to flesh and pleasures thereof, and availibility of > > money > >>> >>> too > >>> >>>> in the youth of today drawing huge salaries as they are > >>> >>> academically > >>> >>>> well off, and even those who are not,also drawing good pay > > checks > >>> >>> due > >>> >>>> to outsourcing to India -call centres, money is available > > freely > >>> >>>> today,then what was two decades ago. All this isleading to > >>> >>> flamboyant > >>> >>>> lifestyles, I should say luxurious, as every one is having > >>> >>> hightech > >>> >>>> gadgets, personal vehicles and what not, spending evenings > > in > >>> > some > >>> >>>> restuarant,or shopping and enjoying life. > >>> >>>> Amongst all this, > >>> >>>> People like me, little older not matching with high > > academic > >>> >>>> qualifications, neither able to mindset doing jobs such as > >>> >>>> call centres and the like, at prime of life or say third > > stage , > >>> >>>> ready to enter fourth, are just left spectator to the > > happennings > >>> >>>> around staying put at home or office without loosening out > >>> > pockets > >>> >>>> as there is not much to loosen about, feel the brunt > > because > >>> >>> though > >>> >>>> we may be understanding, others around us with whom we are > > living > >>> >>>> would nothave the bent of mind to go deep for any > > retrospection.. > >>> >>>> They would feel the dearth, I dont blame them, its the men > > who > >>> >>>> are bound to get grub home, but since the grub is limited, > > to > >>> >>>> satiate, considering the environments, then the problems > > start > >>> >>>> appearing in life, which is happening in most middle class > >>> >>> families > >>> >>>> in India today. > >>> >>>> At this stage man starts thinking what is he worth ? or > > why is he > >>> >>>> worthless ? Since the mental faculty does not allow any > > type > >>> >>>> of harakiri in business or professional activities , he is > > left > >>> >>>> to creating only limited. > >>> >>>> Hence when someone says good to that person, the actual > > food,the > >>> >>> soul > >>> >>>> wants is got. I think after the basic necessities, what a > > man > >>> > wants > >>> >>>> is love, caring, or if not that at least a feeling of being > >>> >>> wanted, > >>> >>>> a feeling that yes You are also required some where some > > place, > >>> >>> You > >>> >>>> have your own identity. A single word of love or affection > > coming > >>> >>>> from the heart is what is required, to make You complete. > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Thanks very much > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Bhaskar. > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> , "haizen" <haizen@> > >>> > wrote: > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> Dear Bhakar, > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> I hope your family gets around to saying it too. But if > > they > >>> >>> don't, > >>> >>>> I had the > >>> >>>>> pleasure of saying it first. What's that old saying > > about "A > >>> >>>> prophet being without > >>> >>>>> honor in his own country"? I'd say it's true in some > > families > >>> >>> too. > >>> >>>> In the meantime, > >>> >>>>> it has now been said and the words officially go on your > > akashic > >>> >>>> record. ;-) > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> Sincerely, Haizen > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>> >>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>> >>>>> wrote: > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> Dear Haizen , > >>> >>>>>> You have made my day by calling me good. I wish someone > > in my > >>> >>>> family > >>> >>>>>> tells me that some day before I leave this planet..... > > (Again > >>> >>>>>> demanding) > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> regards/Bhaskar. > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> -- In , "haizen" > > <haizen@> > >>> >>> wrote: > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> You're a good man. > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> Warm regards, Haizen > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> --- In > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>> >>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>> >>>>>>> wrote: > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> Dear Haizen, > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> You are generous. > >>> >>>>>>>> At times though we are merged in selfless service,here > > or > >>> >>> on > >>> >>>>>>>> other platforms, and should not expect anything in > >>> >>>> return ,when > >>> >>>>>>>> doing free service, yet being a human being, at times > > the > >>> >>> Ego > >>> >>>>>>>> overcomes the intellect and perhaps in a weak moment > > the > >>> >>>> demand > >>> >>>>>>>> for a thanks is made. This demand is actually for > >>> >>>> acknowledgement > >>> >>>>>>>> of your having contributed but nothing else. Yet I am > > not > >>> >>>>>> supposed to > >>> >>>>>>>> ask for that if it its going to be a service- selfless. > >>> >>>>>>>> If 4 flats are there on a floor in a building, and one > >>> >>> person > >>> >>>>>> comes > >>> >>>>>>>> asking for clothes at my door, I go inside my house and > >>> >>>> search > >>> >>>>>> for > >>> >>>>>>>> some clothes to be given to this chap, he immediately > >>> >>> leaves > >>> >>>>>> after > >>> >>>>>>>> taking the clothes and without any acknowledgement > > moves > >>> >>> to > >>> >>>>>> another > >>> >>>>>>>> flat,then You feel... > >>> >>>>>>>> Here after doing my bit,and this gentleman receving my > >>> >>> advice, > >>> >>>>>>>> instead of writing back, straightaway put the > > call "Please > >>> >>>> can > >>> >>>>>>>> any one help me" This must have hurt me and made me > >>> >>> demand, > >>> >>>>>>>> what I did. I will be more thoughtful next time and > > less > >>> >>>>>>>> demanding. > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> Haizen thanks for understanding. > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> Regards/Bhaskar. > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>> , "haizen" > >>> >>> <haizen@> > >>> >>>> wrote: > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar, > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> Since you have given two free hours of your valuable > >>> >>>>>>>>> time on a fruitless pursuit, *I* wish to thank you > >>> >>>>>>>>> though I was not the person you were trying to > >>> >>>>>>>>> help. Everything takes time and I often wonder > >>> >>>>>>>>> if some of the problems people have are the result > >>> >>>>>>>>> of being so self-absorbed or self-preoccupied > >>> >>>>>>>>> that they forget to offer even the simplest thank > >>> >>>>>>>>> you when someone takes their interests at heart. > >>> >>>>>>>>> In the land of free readings, gratitude is the coin > >>> >>>>>>>>> of the realm. And for those who want their entire > >>> >>>>>>>>> existence explained to them through their chart (!), > >>> >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should be compensated according > >>> >>>>>>>>> to what he or she needs, and that usually means > >>> >>>>>>>>> being hired professionally for the hours involved. > >>> >>>>>>>>> Most people do not understand that what appears > >>> >>>>>>>>> to be an effortless and easy answer by the astrologer, > >>> >>>>>>>>> required *years* of study leading up to it, and > >>> >>>>>>>>> the astrologer should not be expected or demanded > >>> >>>>>>>>> to give their time away when they have the same > >>> >>>>>>>>> bills to pay as everyone else. Most astrologers do > >>> >>>>>>>>> free readings as a way of honing their skills or not > >>> >>>>>>>>> getting hung-up on the material side of things only, > >>> >>>>>>>>> but their survival depends upon being hired for their > >>> >>>>>>>>> talents. Astrology is a calling in life, yes, but it > >>> >>>>>>>>> is also a trade and a service and "every servant is > >>> >>>>>>>>> worthy of his hire." To do so permits the astrologer > >>> >>>>>>>>> to serve selflessly without charge those who are truly > >>> >>>>>>>>> in need--the student, those suffering from illness, or > >>> >>>>>>>>> the elderly--the only people astrologers might > > possibly > >>> >>>>>>>>> be obliged to help. That's my own personal view, of > >>> >>>>>>>>> course. > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> So "Thank you." May the rewards of those two hours > >>> >>>>>>>>> come through some other means of abundance. > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> Haizen Paige > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> --- In > >>> >>> , "bhaskar_jyotish" > >>> >>>>>>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> You should have typed June 7th and not July 7th. > >>> >>>>>>>>>> I spent 2 hours of early morning tying to find out > >>> >>> Your > >>> >>>>>> possible > >>> >>>>>>>> birth > >>> >>>>>>>>>> date.If You had given a word of thanks,it would have > >>> >>> made > >>> >>>> me > >>> >>>>>> real > >>> >>>>>>>> happy. > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Its just like when a singer sings on stage and the > >>> >>> claps > >>> >>>> he > >>> >>>>>> gets > >>> >>>>>>>> are > >>> >>>>>>>>>> soothing to the soul in the same way............ > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Any way please forget it. > >>> >>>>>>>>>> God bless , > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> , "rebbeasher" > >>> >>>>>>>> <rebbeasher@> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have some questions... my birthdate is 7/7/1977 at > >>> >>>> 9:56 > >>> >>>>>> 32n06 > >>> >>>>>>>> 34e47. > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Should I become a jyotishi? > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Will the government find my adoption papers? > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> What were my biological parents like? 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