Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Surya, I had this idealized fantasy that it was much easier to live on an ashram and be coveted away to study and worship 24/7. I try to live with the Ashram ideal here in the outside world thinking how challenging it all is to balance work, sadhana and family affiliations. But it sounds like living in Amritapuri and being closer to Amma year around is no small picnic. Any experience and further sharings would be appreciated. In Amma's service Stacee --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > Let me just clarify what I said regarding what > Mother regularly says. She calls Her ashrams > Kurukshetra--the battlefield in the Bhagavad Gita > and Mahabharata. She says that She takes the rough, > jagged edges of Her devotees and grinds them > together to make smooth stones. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Stacee, I don't know about other people and their opinions and thoughts, but here are a few of my own. 1. Karma follows you wherever you go. There is no escaping it. 2. I believe what you were thinking was a very idealized fantasy that does not exist in reality, and certainly not at Amritapuri or any of Amma's ashrams. I don't know anyone who studies and worships 24/7, period. Certainly have never visited an ashram like this. Work is always a part of the routine in some fashion. Besides who is advanced enough to worship and study 24/7? Almost no one. 3. Spiritual life is not necessarily meant to be a picnic. How would we grow and learn if it was? 4. Many times one is trading their family life for another "family" life at the ashram of just a slightly different flavor. One is not better than the other. Each has their pros and cons and it all depends on the individual. 5. You are still the same person with the same issues and the same mind, wherever you go. Even if you retreat to the high Himalayas to a temple, hut or cave (assuming you could even tolerate dwelling in these up there), you will find it is still the same you sitting there. Jai Maa! Surya - Stacee Kramer Ammachi Friday, August 04, 2006 1:52 PM Ashram life Dear Surya, I had this idealized fantasy that it was much easier to live on an ashram and be coveted away to study and worship 24/7. I try to live with the Ashram ideal here in the outside world thinking how challenging it all is to balance work, sadhana and family affiliations. But it sounds like living in Amritapuri and being closer to Amma year around is no small picnic. Any experience and further sharings would be appreciated. In Amma's service Stacee --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > Let me just clarify what I said regarding what > Mother regularly says. She calls Her ashrams > Kurukshetra--the battlefield in the Bhagavad Gita > and Mahabharata. She says that She takes the rough, > jagged edges of Her devotees and grinds them > together to make smooth stones. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Hi Surya, This is great insight, can I or can you forward this to the group. Light and Peace, Stacee --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > Dear Stacee, > > I don't know about other people and their opinions > and thoughts, but here are a few of my own. > > 1. Karma follows you wherever you go. There is no > escaping it. > > 2. I believe what you were thinking was a very > idealized fantasy that does not exist in reality, > and certainly not at Amritapuri or any of Amma's > ashrams. I don't know anyone who studies and > worships 24/7, period. Certainly have never visited > an ashram like this. Work is always a part of the > routine in some fashion. Besides who is advanced > enough to worship and study 24/7? Almost no one. > > 3. Spiritual life is not necessarily meant to be a > picnic. How would we grow and learn if it was? > > 4. Many times one is trading their family life for > another "family" life at the ashram of just a > slightly different flavor. One is not better than > the other. Each has their pros and cons and it all > depends on the individual. > > 5. You are still the same person with the same > issues and the same mind, wherever you go. Even if > you retreat to the high Himalayas to a temple, hut > or cave (assuming you could even tolerate dwelling > in these up there), you will find it is still the > same you sitting there. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > - > Stacee Kramer > Ammachi > Friday, August 04, 2006 1:52 PM > Ashram life > > > Dear Surya, > > I had this idealized fantasy that it was much > easier > to live on an ashram and be coveted away to study > and > worship 24/7. > > I try to live with the Ashram ideal here in the > outside world thinking how challenging it all is > to > balance work, sadhana and family affiliations. > > But it sounds like living in Amritapuri and being > closer to Amma year around is no small picnic. > > Any experience and further sharings would be > appreciated. > > In Amma's service > Stacee > > --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > Let me just clarify what I said regarding what > > Mother regularly says. She calls Her ashrams > > Kurukshetra--the battlefield in the Bhagavad > Gita > > and Mahabharata. She says that She takes the > rough, > > jagged edges of Her devotees and grinds them > > together to make smooth stones. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Opps, Could have sworn I sent this to Surya? I agree Surya, that work or Karma Yog, as Babaji likes to put it, is essential to one's spiritual growth and purification. He likened the new Kriya Yoga to the chanting of the Om Namah Shivaya and Karma Yoga.... Not the cumbersome techniques taught in ages past were one was memorizing many breathing or yogic techniques. But also it depends on the person's disposition. Some do better with Seva, (along with mantra devotin)while others are more inclined to meditation and study to balance seva (along with mantra and devotion. Again, not one flavor. S --- Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: > Hi Surya, > > This is great insight, can I or can you forward this > to the group. > > Light and Peace, > Stacee > > --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > Dear Stacee, > > > > I don't know about other people and their opinions > > and thoughts, but here are a few of my own. > > > > 1. Karma follows you wherever you go. There is > no > > escaping it. > > > > 2. I believe what you were thinking was a very > > idealized fantasy that does not exist in reality, > > and certainly not at Amritapuri or any of Amma's > > ashrams. I don't know anyone who studies and > > worships 24/7, period. Certainly have never > visited > > an ashram like this. Work is always a part of the > > routine in some fashion. Besides who is advanced > > enough to worship and study 24/7? Almost no one. > > > > 3. Spiritual life is not necessarily meant to be > a > > picnic. How would we grow and learn if it was? > > > > 4. Many times one is trading their family life > for > > another "family" life at the ashram of just a > > slightly different flavor. One is not better than > > the other. Each has their pros and cons and it > all > > depends on the individual. > > > > 5. You are still the same person with the same > > issues and the same mind, wherever you go. Even > if > > you retreat to the high Himalayas to a temple, hut > > or cave (assuming you could even tolerate dwelling > > in these up there), you will find it is still the > > same you sitting there. > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > Surya > > > > - > > Stacee Kramer > > Ammachi > > Friday, August 04, 2006 1:52 PM > > Ashram life > > > > > > Dear Surya, > > > > I had this idealized fantasy that it was much > > easier > > to live on an ashram and be coveted away to > study > > and > > worship 24/7. > > > > I try to live with the Ashram ideal here in the > > outside world thinking how challenging it all is > > to > > balance work, sadhana and family affiliations. > > > > But it sounds like living in Amritapuri and > being > > closer to Amma year around is no small picnic. > > > > Any experience and further sharings would be > > appreciated. > > > > In Amma's service > > Stacee > > > > --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > > Let me just clarify what I said regarding what > > > Mother regularly says. She calls Her ashrams > > > Kurukshetra--the battlefield in the Bhagavad > > Gita > > > and Mahabharata. She says that She takes the > > rough, > > > jagged edges of Her devotees and grinds them > > > together to make smooth stones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Sure. - Stacee Kramer Ammachi Friday, August 04, 2006 2:09 PM Re: Ashram life Hi Surya, This is great insight, can I or can you forward this to the group. Light and Peace, Stacee --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > Dear Stacee, > > I don't know about other people and their opinions > and thoughts, but here are a few of my own. > > 1. Karma follows you wherever you go. There is no > escaping it. > > 2. I believe what you were thinking was a very > idealized fantasy that does not exist in reality, > and certainly not at Amritapuri or any of Amma's > ashrams. I don't know anyone who studies and > worships 24/7, period. Certainly have never visited > an ashram like this. Work is always a part of the > routine in some fashion. Besides who is advanced > enough to worship and study 24/7? Almost no one. > > 3. Spiritual life is not necessarily meant to be a > picnic. How would we grow and learn if it was? > > 4. Many times one is trading their family life for > another "family" life at the ashram of just a > slightly different flavor. One is not better than > the other. Each has their pros and cons and it all > depends on the individual. > > 5. You are still the same person with the same > issues and the same mind, wherever you go. Even if > you retreat to the high Himalayas to a temple, hut > or cave (assuming you could even tolerate dwelling > in these up there), you will find it is still the > same you sitting there. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > - > Stacee Kramer > Ammachi > Friday, August 04, 2006 1:52 PM > Ashram life > > > Dear Surya, > > I had this idealized fantasy that it was much > easier > to live on an ashram and be coveted away to study > and > worship 24/7. > > I try to live with the Ashram ideal here in the > outside world thinking how challenging it all is > to > balance work, sadhana and family affiliations. > > But it sounds like living in Amritapuri and being > closer to Amma year around is no small picnic. > > Any experience and further sharings would be > appreciated. > > In Amma's service > Stacee > > --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > Let me just clarify what I said regarding what > > Mother regularly says. She calls Her ashrams > > Kurukshetra--the battlefield in the Bhagavad > Gita > > and Mahabharata. She says that She takes the > rough, > > jagged edges of Her devotees and grinds them > > together to make smooth stones. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 I didn't realize that I wasn't replying to the group. - Stacee Kramer Ammachi Friday, August 04, 2006 2:09 PM Re: Ashram life Hi Surya, This is great insight, can I or can you forward this to the group. Light and Peace, Stacee --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > Dear Stacee, > > I don't know about other people and their opinions > and thoughts, but here are a few of my own. > > 1. Karma follows you wherever you go. There is no > escaping it. > > 2. I believe what you were thinking was a very > idealized fantasy that does not exist in reality, > and certainly not at Amritapuri or any of Amma's > ashrams. I don't know anyone who studies and > worships 24/7, period. Certainly have never visited > an ashram like this. Work is always a part of the > routine in some fashion. Besides who is advanced > enough to worship and study 24/7? Almost no one. > > 3. Spiritual life is not necessarily meant to be a > picnic. How would we grow and learn if it was? > > 4. Many times one is trading their family life for > another "family" life at the ashram of just a > slightly different flavor. One is not better than > the other. Each has their pros and cons and it all > depends on the individual. > > 5. You are still the same person with the same > issues and the same mind, wherever you go. Even if > you retreat to the high Himalayas to a temple, hut > or cave (assuming you could even tolerate dwelling > in these up there), you will find it is still the > same you sitting there. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > - > Stacee Kramer > Ammachi > Friday, August 04, 2006 1:52 PM > Ashram life > > > Dear Surya, > > I had this idealized fantasy that it was much > easier > to live on an ashram and be coveted away to study > and > worship 24/7. > > I try to live with the Ashram ideal here in the > outside world thinking how challenging it all is > to > balance work, sadhana and family affiliations. > > But it sounds like living in Amritapuri and being > closer to Amma year around is no small picnic. > > Any experience and further sharings would be > appreciated. > > In Amma's service > Stacee > > --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > Let me just clarify what I said regarding what > > Mother regularly says. She calls Her ashrams > > Kurukshetra--the battlefield in the Bhagavad > Gita > > and Mahabharata. She says that She takes the > rough, > > jagged edges of Her devotees and grinds them > > together to make smooth stones. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Stacee, When quoting other spiritual teachers in this forum, it is probably best to specify who you are referring to. As far as the subject of "Babaji" is concerned, this is even more the case since there is great dissention as to the various personalities claiming to be "the" Babaji (or incarnation thereof) as mentioned in Autobiography of a Yogi, who gave Kriya Yoga to Sri Shyamacharan Lahiri Mayasaya. Of course, the word "Babaji" means "Revered/Respected/Holy Father", and so many Sannyasis, renuniciates, etc in India, not to mention Dads, etc, are referred to by this name. BOM MAHADEV! Surya - Stacee Kramer Ammachi Friday, August 04, 2006 2:30 PM Re: Ashram life Opps, Could have sworn I sent this to Surya? I agree Surya, that work or Karma Yog, as Babaji likes to put it, is essential to one's spiritual growth and purification. He likened the new Kriya Yoga to the chanting of the Om Namah Shivaya and Karma Yoga.... Not the cumbersome techniques taught in ages past were one was memorizing many breathing or yogic techniques. But also it depends on the person's disposition. Some do better with Seva, (along with mantra devotin)while others are more inclined to meditation and study to balance seva (along with mantra and devotion. Again, not one flavor. S --- Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: > Hi Surya, > > This is great insight, can I or can you forward this > to the group. > > Light and Peace, > Stacee > > --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > Dear Stacee, > > > > I don't know about other people and their opinions > > and thoughts, but here are a few of my own. > > > > 1. Karma follows you wherever you go. There is > no > > escaping it. > > > > 2. I believe what you were thinking was a very > > idealized fantasy that does not exist in reality, > > and certainly not at Amritapuri or any of Amma's > > ashrams. I don't know anyone who studies and > > worships 24/7, period. Certainly have never > visited > > an ashram like this. Work is always a part of the > > routine in some fashion. Besides who is advanced > > enough to worship and study 24/7? Almost no one. > > > > 3. Spiritual life is not necessarily meant to be > a > > picnic. How would we grow and learn if it was? > > > > 4. Many times one is trading their family life > for > > another "family" life at the ashram of just a > > slightly different flavor. One is not better than > > the other. Each has their pros and cons and it > all > > depends on the individual. > > > > 5. You are still the same person with the same > > issues and the same mind, wherever you go. Even > if > > you retreat to the high Himalayas to a temple, hut > > or cave (assuming you could even tolerate dwelling > > in these up there), you will find it is still the > > same you sitting there. > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > Surya > > > > - > > Stacee Kramer > > Ammachi > > Friday, August 04, 2006 1:52 PM > > Ashram life > > > > > > Dear Surya, > > > > I had this idealized fantasy that it was much > > easier > > to live on an ashram and be coveted away to > study > > and > > worship 24/7. > > > > I try to live with the Ashram ideal here in the > > outside world thinking how challenging it all is > > to > > balance work, sadhana and family affiliations. > > > > But it sounds like living in Amritapuri and > being > > closer to Amma year around is no small picnic. > > > > Any experience and further sharings would be > > appreciated. > > > > In Amma's service > > Stacee > > > > --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > > Let me just clarify what I said regarding what > > > Mother regularly says. She calls Her ashrams > > > Kurukshetra--the battlefield in the Bhagavad > > Gita > > > and Mahabharata. She says that She takes the > > rough, > > > jagged edges of Her devotees and grinds them > > > together to make smooth stones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Surya, Thank you for your correction. I was referring to Haidakhan Babaji, who is the same Shiva Mahavatar mentioned in autobiography of a Yogi. I have only just connected with him myself, since January of this year. www.babaji.net for any who wish more info He was/ is quite a character and I recommend checking out any video or DVD you can find on him as you can receive Dharshan by this, or even by calling his name as he mentions in autobiography of a Yogi. Out of supreme love for Both Ammachi and Babaji, S --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > Stacee, > > When quoting other spiritual teachers in this forum, > it is probably best to specify who you are referring > to. > > As far as the subject of "Babaji" is concerned, this > is even more the case since there is great > dissention as to the various personalities claiming > to be "the" Babaji (or incarnation thereof) as > mentioned in Autobiography of a Yogi, who gave Kriya > Yoga to Sri Shyamacharan Lahiri Mayasaya. > > Of course, the word "Babaji" means > "Revered/Respected/Holy Father", and so many > Sannyasis, renuniciates, etc in India, not to > mention Dads, etc, are referred to by this name. > > BOM MAHADEV! > > Surya > - > Stacee Kramer > Ammachi > Friday, August 04, 2006 2:30 PM > Re: Ashram life > > > Opps, > > Could have sworn I sent this to Surya? > > I agree Surya, that work or Karma Yog, as Babaji > likes > to put it, is essential to one's spiritual growth > and > purification. > > He likened the new Kriya Yoga to the chanting of > the > Om Namah Shivaya and Karma Yoga.... > > Not the cumbersome techniques taught in ages past > were > one was memorizing many breathing or yogic > techniques. > > But also it depends on the person's disposition. > > Some do better with Seva, (along with mantra > devotin)while others are more inclined to > meditation > and study to balance seva (along with mantra and > devotion. > > Again, not one flavor. > > S > > --- Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> > wrote: > > > Hi Surya, > > > > This is great insight, can I or can you forward > this > > to the group. > > > > Light and Peace, > > Stacee > > > > --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > > Dear Stacee, > > > > > > I don't know about other people and their > opinions > > > and thoughts, but here are a few of my own. > > > > > > 1. Karma follows you wherever you go. There is > > no > > > escaping it. > > > > > > 2. I believe what you were thinking was a very > > > idealized fantasy that does not exist in > reality, > > > and certainly not at Amritapuri or any of > Amma's > > > ashrams. I don't know anyone who studies and > > > worships 24/7, period. Certainly have never > > visited > > > an ashram like this. Work is always a part of > the > > > routine in some fashion. Besides who is > advanced > > > enough to worship and study 24/7? Almost no > one. > > > > > > 3. Spiritual life is not necessarily meant to > be > > a > > > picnic. How would we grow and learn if it was? > > > > > > 4. Many times one is trading their family life > > for > > > another "family" life at the ashram of just a > > > slightly different flavor. One is not better > than > > > the other. Each has their pros and cons and it > > all > > > depends on the individual. > > > > > > 5. You are still the same person with the same > > > issues and the same mind, wherever you go. > Even > > if > > > you retreat to the high Himalayas to a temple, > hut > > > or cave (assuming you could even tolerate > dwelling > > > in these up there), you will find it is still > the > > > same you sitting there. > > > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > - > > > Stacee Kramer > > > Ammachi > > > Friday, August 04, 2006 1:52 PM > > > Ashram life > > > > > > > > > Dear Surya, > > > > > > I had this idealized fantasy that it was much > > > easier > > > to live on an ashram and be coveted away to > > study > > > and > > > worship 24/7. > > > > > > I try to live with the Ashram ideal here in > the > > > outside world thinking how challenging it all > is > > > to > > > balance work, sadhana and family affiliations. > > > > > > But it sounds like living in Amritapuri and > > being > > > closer to Amma year around is no small picnic. > > > > > > Any experience and further sharings would be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > In Amma's service > > > Stacee > > > > > > --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > > > > Let me just clarify what I said regarding > what > > > > Mother regularly says. She calls Her ashrams > > > > Kurukshetra--the battlefield in the Bhagavad > > > Gita > > > > and Mahabharata. She says that She takes the > > > rough, > > > > jagged edges of Her devotees and grinds them > > > > together to make smooth stones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Tom, I think it is great that you posted mp3s of the Sannyas Sukta (the shlokas that are chanted during Pada Puja and at the beginning of the Devi Bhava) as well as the Dhyanam for the Lalita Sahasranam. Please post more things like this. Your transliteration for the Sannyas Sukta is a bit off though and not the version they use in the Bhajanamritan Vol 3 or in the Amritapuri Chanting Book. It would be a good idea to follow their version, which is also how it sounds when chanted. Also I thought you were going to post your e-books of the various topics you posted about, like obstacles to avoid as beginning Westerners, etc. What happened to those? Pranams, Surya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 I am quite familiar with the particular personality you are referring to. As I said, there is great dissention as to who he was. Not only regarding him as the "Mahavatar" mentioned in ABY, but also as the incarnation as the former Herakhan Baba. He was very popularized here in the West. He was shot and killed so to say he was "The" Babaji, is quite a leap, as He is to keep one body until the end of the Age. That the young boy might have had the old Herakhan Babaji enter him via Prayakadesh, is very possible, as this happens with sadhus. But He also might have left before the end as well. I've visited his ashram near Ranikhet, as well as other places connected to the old Herakhan Baba. My dear friend Rampuri was there right at the beginning. I have quite a few stories from him. The name of "Babaji" was my mantra for many, many years. I would always say that He was my Father and Amma was my Mother, though Amma is ever more Everything to me. Jai Babaji! - Stacee Kramer Ammachi Friday, August 04, 2006 2:55 PM Re: Ashram life Dear Surya, Thank you for your correction. I was referring to Haidakhan Babaji, who is the same Shiva Mahavatar mentioned in autobiography of a Yogi. I have only just connected with him myself, since January of this year. www.babaji.net for any who wish more info He was/ is quite a character and I recommend checking out any video or DVD you can find on him as you can receive Dharshan by this, or even by calling his name as he mentions in autobiography of a Yogi. Out of supreme love for Both Ammachi and Babaji, S --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > Stacee, > > When quoting other spiritual teachers in this forum, > it is probably best to specify who you are referring > to. > > As far as the subject of "Babaji" is concerned, this > is even more the case since there is great > dissention as to the various personalities claiming > to be "the" Babaji (or incarnation thereof) as > mentioned in Autobiography of a Yogi, who gave Kriya > Yoga to Sri Shyamacharan Lahiri Mayasaya. > > Of course, the word "Babaji" means > "Revered/Respected/Holy Father", and so many > Sannyasis, renuniciates, etc in India, not to > mention Dads, etc, are referred to by this name. > > BOM MAHADEV! > > Surya > - > Stacee Kramer > Ammachi > Friday, August 04, 2006 2:30 PM > Re: Ashram life > > > Opps, > > Could have sworn I sent this to Surya? > > I agree Surya, that work or Karma Yog, as Babaji > likes > to put it, is essential to one's spiritual growth > and > purification. > > He likened the new Kriya Yoga to the chanting of > the > Om Namah Shivaya and Karma Yoga.... > > Not the cumbersome techniques taught in ages past > were > one was memorizing many breathing or yogic > techniques. > > But also it depends on the person's disposition. > > Some do better with Seva, (along with mantra > devotin)while others are more inclined to > meditation > and study to balance seva (along with mantra and > devotion. > > Again, not one flavor. > > S > > --- Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> > wrote: > > > Hi Surya, > > > > This is great insight, can I or can you forward > this > > to the group. > > > > Light and Peace, > > Stacee > > > > --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > > Dear Stacee, > > > > > > I don't know about other people and their > opinions > > > and thoughts, but here are a few of my own. > > > > > > 1. Karma follows you wherever you go. There is > > no > > > escaping it. > > > > > > 2. I believe what you were thinking was a very > > > idealized fantasy that does not exist in > reality, > > > and certainly not at Amritapuri or any of > Amma's > > > ashrams. I don't know anyone who studies and > > > worships 24/7, period. Certainly have never > > visited > > > an ashram like this. Work is always a part of > the > > > routine in some fashion. Besides who is > advanced > > > enough to worship and study 24/7? Almost no > one. > > > > > > 3. Spiritual life is not necessarily meant to > be > > a > > > picnic. How would we grow and learn if it was? > > > > > > 4. Many times one is trading their family life > > for > > > another "family" life at the ashram of just a > > > slightly different flavor. One is not better > than > > > the other. Each has their pros and cons and it > > all > > > depends on the individual. > > > > > > 5. You are still the same person with the same > > > issues and the same mind, wherever you go. > Even > > if > > > you retreat to the high Himalayas to a temple, > hut > > > or cave (assuming you could even tolerate > dwelling > > > in these up there), you will find it is still > the > > > same you sitting there. > > > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > > > Surya > > > > > > - > > > Stacee Kramer > > > Ammachi > > > Friday, August 04, 2006 1:52 PM > > > Ashram life > > > > > > > > > Dear Surya, > > > > > > I had this idealized fantasy that it was much > > > easier > > > to live on an ashram and be coveted away to > > study > > > and > > > worship 24/7. > > > > > > I try to live with the Ashram ideal here in > the > > > outside world thinking how challenging it all > is > > > to > > > balance work, sadhana and family affiliations. > > > > > > But it sounds like living in Amritapuri and > > being > > > closer to Amma year around is no small picnic. > > > > > > Any experience and further sharings would be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > In Amma's service > > > Stacee > > > > > > --- Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > > > > Let me just clarify what I said regarding > what > > > > Mother regularly says. She calls Her ashrams > > > > Kurukshetra--the battlefield in the Bhagavad > > > Gita > > > > and Mahabharata. She says that She takes the > > > rough, > > > > jagged edges of Her devotees and grinds them > > > > together to make smooth stones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Dear Surya, I am not sure who it is that you are speaking of but the one that I mentioned took Mahasamahdi in 1984. And it is only in the heart that we can verify any truth for ourselves. I will leave it at that. I am glad that I came to this without any prior knowledge of any potential Babaji controversy, just an open heart and mind. It is worth reading the many books and first-hand accounts of devotees during the time he was living at Haidakhan, to better understand who it is that he was. S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 We are speaking of the same one and the truth is that he was shot. Of course the organization did not want this getting out. I am stating this from information I received from people that were actually there. I prefer to speak with people who were actually there in person, which I have done. Rampuri was the first one asked to be his emissary to the West. He was (and still is) a Naga Sannyasi. Rampuri declined. He was there in the very beginning. But this forum is not the place for this. This is an Amma forum. Jai Maa! Surya - Stacee Kramer Ammachi Friday, August 04, 2006 3:51 PM Re: Ashram life Dear Surya, I am not sure who it is that you are speaking of but the one that I mentioned took Mahasamahdi in 1984. And it is only in the heart that we can verify any truth for ourselves. I will leave it at that. I am glad that I came to this without any prior knowledge of any potential Babaji controversy, just an open heart and mind. It is worth reading the many books and first-hand accounts of devotees during the time he was living at Haidakhan, to better understand who it is that he was. S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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