Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Jiva Whattva? Late Acharya of the original Sri Gaudiya Mission, Pujya Tridandi Swami Bhakti Hridaya Vana Maharaj (1901-1982), taught that the reason or purpose of this exercise, whereby unlimited Jiva-souls pass through Maya, is acintya and known only to Sri Krishna Himself. It is useless to ponder. We must understand how the process works, but we can never know the reason 'why.' Why NOT!? All Jivas are eternal, sometimes inactive (like during Pralaya and Maha-pralaya) and sometimes active, but always alive (chit). It is reasonable to say that no Jiva soul who had full developed intelligence of his "self" would willingly choose the painful and doomed path of Maya. Srila Vana Maharaj clearly taught that Jivas are injected (so to speak) into Maya to work their way up and to Vaikuntha. The choice comes when we reach human intelligence, as is the case right now. Even now we could all choose to return to Vaikuntha immediately if we really desired that 100%. The badha Jivas are meant to enter Maya and then work their way back to Para-vyoma Brahma Puri or the City of the Absolute. It is just one particular process designed by HARI for His Own fun 'n' games. In CC Kaviraj Goswami states, "Krishna bhuli shay Jiva anadi," we have forgotten Krishna since "before time" began, so there is no initial choice. We cannot choose something, which is out of our memory. The Jiva begins his seemingly eternal material existence as a microscopic life form, like an "anu," which is completely covered and in state of ignorance. We do not have a rational understandable choice until we reach human life; and amongst humans very few rarely question reality. They do not choose in the beginning' because there is neither beginning nor end for the Jiva. All Jivas are eternal, conscious and blissful in essence (sat-chit-ananda), being marginal chit particles of Lord Hari. Swami Vana Maharaj emphasized THREE particular tattvas' as being principle (in relation to us, the Jivas): (1) The eternal, all blissful, spiritual universe which is the playground of the Lord and lies within Paravyoma brahma-puri. (2) The temporary changeable, material universe, the endless ocean of birth and death, prakriti, the jada-samsara. (3) All living beings seen or unseen who belong to the Jiva (soul) potency which is all spiritual and blissful by nature andemanates from in between the external and internal worlds. Although the Jiva Shakti lies in-between the spiritual and material realms still the souls are always engaged in one or the other and do not reside in the middle but only emanate' from that position by the arrangement of Lord Vasudeva. Sarva karana karanam. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 With all due respect, I am sorry but this is all Gaudiya Vaisnava rhetoric from a GV perspective. This is not the point of view of the bulk of sadhu and "Hindu" lineages. I thought this was a sacred object group? Surya - Richard Shaw Brown planetary-gemology ; sacred-objects ; vedic-sacred-objects Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:32 PM Jiva Whattva? Jiva Whattva? Late Acharya of the original Sri Gaudiya Mission, Pujya Tridandi Swami Bhakti Hridaya Vana Maharaj (1901-1982), taught that the reason or purpose of this exercise, whereby unlimited Jiva-souls pass through Maya, is acintya and known only to Sri Krishna Himself. It is useless to ponder. We must understand how the process works, but we can never know the reason 'why.' Why NOT!? All Jivas are eternal, sometimes inactive (like during Pralaya and Maha-pralaya) and sometimes active, but always alive (chit). It is reasonable to say that no Jiva soul who had full developed intelligence of his "self" would willingly choose the painful and doomed path of Maya. Srila Vana Maharaj clearly taught that Jivas are injected (so to speak) into Maya to work their way up and to Vaikuntha. The choice comes when we reach human intelligence, as is the case right now. Even now we could all choose to return to Vaikuntha immediately if we really desired that 100%. The badha Jivas are meant to enter Maya and then work their way back to Para-vyoma Brahma Puri or the City of the Absolute. It is just one particular process designed by HARI for His Own fun 'n' games. In CC Kaviraj Goswami states, "Krishna bhuli shay Jiva anadi," we have forgotten Krishna since "before time" began, so there is no initial choice. We cannot choose something, which is out of our memory. The Jiva begins his seemingly eternal material existence as a microscopic life form, like an "anu," which is completely covered and in state of ignorance. We do not have a rational understandable choice until we reach human life; and amongst humans very few rarely question reality. They do not choose in the beginning' because there is neither beginning nor end for the Jiva. All Jivas are eternal, conscious and blissful in essence (sat-chit-ananda), being marginal chit particles of Lord Hari. Swami Vana Maharaj emphasized THREE particular tattvas' as being principle (in relation to us, the Jivas): (1) The eternal, all blissful, spiritual universe which is the playground of the Lord and lies within Paravyoma brahma-puri. (2) The temporary changeable, material universe, the endless ocean of birth and death, prakriti, the jada-samsara. (3) All living beings seen or unseen who belong to the Jiva (soul) potency which is all spiritual and blissful by nature andemanates from in between the external and internal worlds. Although the Jiva Shakti lies in-between the spiritual and material realms still the souls are always engaged in one or the other and do not reside in the middle but only emanate' from that position by the arrangement of Lord Vasudeva. Sarva karana karanam. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Dear Sriman, Of course you are right. But it seems we have run out of objects to discuss. All opinions and philosophical views on the nature of the atma are welcome here. So far we have only started with one version, and there are so many others we look forward to hearing. There is no argument here because we want to read the views of all Hindus. Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > > With all due respect, I am sorry but this is all Gaudiya Vaisnava rhetoric from a GV perspective. This is not the point of view of the bulk of sadhu and "Hindu" lineages. > > I thought this was a sacred object group? > > Surya > - > Richard Shaw Brown > planetary-gemology ; sacred-objects ; vedic-sacred-objects > Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:32 PM > Jiva Whattva? > > > Jiva Whattva? > > Late Acharya of the original Sri Gaudiya Mission, Pujya Tridandi Swami > Bhakti Hridaya Vana Maharaj (1901-1982), taught that the reason or > purpose of this exercise, whereby unlimited Jiva-souls pass through > Maya, is acintya and known only to Sri Krishna Himself. It is useless > to ponder. We must understand how the process works, but we can never > know the reason 'why.' > > Why NOT!? > > All Jivas are eternal, sometimes inactive (like during Pralaya and > Maha-pralaya) and sometimes active, but always alive (chit). It is > reasonable to say that no Jiva soul who had full developed intelligence > of his "self" would willingly choose the painful and doomed path of > Maya. > > Srila Vana Maharaj clearly taught that Jivas are injected (so to speak) > into Maya to work their way up and to Vaikuntha. The choice comes when > we reach human intelligence, as is the case right now. Even now we > could all choose to return to Vaikuntha immediately if we really > desired that 100%. > > The badha Jivas are meant to enter Maya and then work their way back to > Para-vyoma Brahma Puri or the City of the Absolute. It is just one > particular process designed by HARI for His Own fun 'n' games. > > In CC Kaviraj Goswami states, "Krishna bhuli shay Jiva anadi," we have > forgotten Krishna since "before time" began, so there is no initial > choice. We cannot choose something, which is out of our memory. > > The Jiva begins his seemingly eternal material existence as a > microscopic life form, like an "anu," which is completely covered and > in state of ignorance. We do not have a rational understandable choice > until we reach human life; and amongst humans very few rarely question > reality. > > They do not choose in the beginning' because there is neither beginning > nor end for the Jiva. All Jivas are eternal, conscious and blissful in > essence (sat-chit-ananda), being marginal chit particles of Lord Hari. > > Swami Vana Maharaj emphasized THREE particular tattvas' as being > principle (in relation to us, the Jivas): > > (1) The eternal, all blissful, spiritual universe which is the > playground of the Lord and lies within Paravyoma brahma-puri. > > (2) The temporary changeable, material universe, the endless ocean of > birth and death, prakriti, the jada-samsara. > > (3) All living beings seen or unseen who belong to the Jiva (soul) > potency which is all spiritual and blissful by nature andemanates from > in between the external and internal worlds. > > Although the Jiva Shakti lies in-between the spiritual and material > realms still the souls are always engaged in one or the other and do > not reside in the middle but only emanate' from that position by the > arrangement of Lord Vasudeva. Sarva karana karanam. > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Mahamuni Surya Dasji Namaskar, The Gaudiya Sampradaya which advocates Ceaseless Raganuga Bhakti is amongst the most pristine spiritual movements of Bharat. They have a very simple & lucid philosophy which makes many lives easy. Each soul is free to follow a path that suits him best, & share his/her experience. It is best left to the Viveik of each individual to choose a path it deems fit. If the yearning is true, liberation is assured. In my opinion one cannot offer Moksha as an, "assembly line" solution, herein all sampradaya's/sant samaj have limitations. Real Bhakta's are born out of Sampradaha (self incineration). They are interested in Sadhana not Point of Views. Best Wishes, Abhishek Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: With all due respect, I am sorry but this is all Gaudiya Vaisnava rhetoric from a GV perspective. This is not the point of view of the bulk of sadhu and "Hindu" lineages. I thought this was a sacred object group? Surya - Richard Shaw Brown planetary-gemology ; sacred-objects ; vedic-sacred-objects Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:32 PM Jiva Whattva? Jiva Whattva? Late Acharya of the original Sri Gaudiya Mission, Pujya Tridandi Swami Bhakti Hridaya Vana Maharaj (1901-1982), taught that the reason or purpose of this exercise, whereby unlimited Jiva-souls pass through Maya, is acintya and known only to Sri Krishna Himself. It is useless to ponder. We must understand how the process works, but we can never know the reason 'why.' Why NOT!? All Jivas are eternal, sometimes inactive (like during Pralaya and Maha-pralaya) and sometimes active, but always alive (chit). It is reasonable to say that no Jiva soul who had full developed intelligence of his "self" would willingly choose the painful and doomed path of Maya. Srila Vana Maharaj clearly taught that Jivas are injected (so to speak) into Maya to work their way up and to Vaikuntha. The choice comes when we reach human intelligence, as is the case right now. Even now we could all choose to return to Vaikuntha immediately if we really desired that 100%. The badha Jivas are meant to enter Maya and then work their way back to Para-vyoma Brahma Puri or the City of the Absolute. It is just one particular process designed by HARI for His Own fun 'n' games. In CC Kaviraj Goswami states, "Krishna bhuli shay Jiva anadi," we have forgotten Krishna since "before time" began, so there is no initial choice. We cannot choose something, which is out of our memory. The Jiva begins his seemingly eternal material existence as a microscopic life form, like an "anu," which is completely covered and in state of ignorance. We do not have a rational understandable choice until we reach human life; and amongst humans very few rarely question reality. They do not choose in the beginning' because there is neither beginning nor end for the Jiva. All Jivas are eternal, conscious and blissful in essence (sat-chit-ananda), being marginal chit particles of Lord Hari. Swami Vana Maharaj emphasized THREE particular tattvas' as being principle (in relation to us, the Jivas): (1) The eternal, all blissful, spiritual universe which is the playground of the Lord and lies within Paravyoma brahma-puri. (2) The temporary changeable, material universe, the endless ocean of birth and death, prakriti, the jada-samsara. (3) All living beings seen or unseen who belong to the Jiva (soul) potency which is all spiritual and blissful by nature andemanates from in between the external and internal worlds. Although the Jiva Shakti lies in-between the spiritual and material realms still the souls are always engaged in one or the other and do not reside in the middle but only emanate' from that position by the arrangement of Lord Vasudeva. Sarva karana karanam. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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