RE:cancellation of debility rules??-Rajabhanga/ucchabhanga

[Guest guest]

Namasakr Visti and Other members!

 

Please mention the rules for Rajabhanga. Also as neechabhanga is

reckoned from lagna(self effort) or moon(society) what are the

relevant analogies for the Rajabhanga?

 

Thanks

Suchitra

 

, "Visti Larsen" <visti

wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Youry, Namaskar

>

> Comments below.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

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>

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> _____

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>

[] On

> Behalf Of khmelevsky

> 03 August 2006 02:58

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE:Re: cancellation of debility

rules??

>

>

>

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> Dear Visti Ji,

>

>

> > Exaltation in Navamsha always offers 100% Neecha Bhanga (purna

pada), as

> this

> > is a blessing from GOD.

>

> May I ask some extra questions about Neecha Bhanga? Does Neecha

Bhanga

> works, if a planet debilitated in Navamsha, but exalted in Rashi?

>

>

>

> [Visti] Actually this is the opposite of Neecha Bhanga, namely

Raja-Bhanga,

> where EXALTATION gets cancelled.

>

>

> If we have FOUR Neecha Bhanga among the planets

> > who are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign, (2)

> > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation

sign, are in

> > Kendra to Lagna/moon,

> do we have 100% Neecha Bhanga? For example in Navamsha Ma

debilitated in 2nd

> Bhava 4th Rashi, but lord of 4th Rashi Ch in 8th Bhava 10 Rashi of

Navamsha

> (1st Neecha Bhanga - Ch in Kendra to Ch), with Gu (2nd Neecha

Bhanga - who

> are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign of Ma in Kendra to Ch),

10 Rashi Ma

> exaltation Lord Sa are in 7th Rashi 6 Bhava of Navamsha is in

Kendra to Ch

> (3rd Neecha Bhanga) and Ma is Exalted in D1 Chart (4th Neecha

Bhanga???)? Is

> it correct?

>

>

>

> [Visti] Debilitation in navamsa is a sign that Bhagavan is

punishing the

> person for adharma. Dasa's of this planet are usually not easy. If

we

> analyze the neecha bhangas in navamsa only, then we are looking at

the

> effect it has on the marriage and not on the entire life in

totality. I

> already mentioned the effects of exaltation in rasi. In the case

you

> mentioned there is no neecha bhanga, only raja-bhanga.

>

> The same with Gu in Navamsha, but Gu is not exalted in D1. Gu with

Ch are in

> 8th Bhava 10th Rashi in Navamsha. Ma, who has exaltation in 10th

Rashi is in

> 4th Rashi (7th Bhava from Ch - 1st Neecha Bhanga), Ch is lord of

exaltation

> sign of Gu is in Kendra to Ch (2nd Neecha Bhanga), and lord of the

Gu

> debilitation sign Sa is in 7th Rashi, 6 Bhava (Kendra to Ch - 3rd

Neecha

> Bhanga). Do we have 75% Neecha Bhanga in this case?

>

>

>

> [Visti] There is no neecha bhanga. To overcome the results of

neecha planets

> we need to worship the Mahavidya of that planet.

>

>

> Thanks a lot in advance,

>

> Youry

>

> wrote on 29/07/2006 12:43:21 AM:

>

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > Dear Sourav and Reema, Namaskar

> > I just arrived home, and decided to post a little mail.

> > Neecha Bhanga happens in stages and can be equated to

percentages.

> > If ONE among the planets who are (1) exalted in the debilitation

sign, (2)

>

> > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation

sign, are in

> > Kendra to lagna/moon, then the neecha bhanga is only considered

to be 25%

> (1/4th

> > pada). If two, then 50% and then considerable results are felt,

whilst if

> > three then it is 75%. Here the efforts are put in by the native

either

> through

> > their own efforts (lagna) or through mantra and determination of

mind

> (moon)

> > to get OUT of the state of debilitation.

> > Exaltation in navamsa always offers 100% neecha bhanga (purna

pada), as

> this

> > is a blessing from GOD.

> >

> > Retrogression causes an atma-level-desire causing the dristis to

be very

> > strong, and in a debilitation sign causes a strong desire to

reap the

> effects

> > of exaltation, and through the persons own personal

determination they

> reap

> > the effects of exaltation over time.. Especially if this planet

is

> associated

> > with lagna, otherwise the effects are restricted to the dasa of

the

> particular

> > planet. This scenarrio in an exaltation sign does cause the

desire for

> > renunciation of fruits, just see Saturn in the chart of Sri

Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa.

> >

> > Exalted planets joined debilitated planets is like a beggar

meeting a

> > millionaire. The Beggar benefits from the millionaires

donations, whilst

> the

> > millionaire has to suffer the emptying of his wallet. Hence the

dasa of

> the

> > debilitated planet becomes auspicious, whilst the opposite is so

for the

> > exalted planet. In my experience this is more noteworthy during

dasas of

> these

> > planets. Bill Gates has a debilitated Sun joined an exalted

Saturn, and

> during

> > Sun dasa he has continued his excellent growth of wealth.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > ***

> > Visti Larsen

> > For services and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com

> > ***

> >

> > sohamsa [sohamsa]

On Behalf

> Of Sourav

> > 29 July 2006 07:47

> > sohamsa

> > Re: cancellation of debility rules??

> >

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > Dear Reema-ji,

> > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks

for sharing

> > Sanjay-ji's old message.

> > Best wishes,

> > Sourav

> > ==============================================================

> > sohamsa, "reema_sriganesh"

<reema_sriganesh@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >

> > > Namaste Sourav,

> > >

> > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated,

without

> > > considering other neechabhanga

> > > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation

status after

> > > initial suffering or opposing

> > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and

exalted,

> > > opposite will happen.

> > >

> > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old

messages of

> > > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.

> > >

> > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:

> > >

> > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a

kendra

> > > from lagna or chandra

> > >

> > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is

placed is

> > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > >

> > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is

placed is

> > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also

checked

> (Neecha in

> > rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)

> > >

> > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga

rajayoga,

> > > which are not mentioned in the classics, are:

> > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The

teaching is

> that

> > the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is

reversed to be

> akin

> > to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a

debilitated

> retrograde

> > Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has

strength due to

>

> > being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)

> > >

> > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde

> > >

> > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha

> > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the

neecha graha

> > pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that

exalted.

> > Food for Thought:

> > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika

> Sambandha ?

> > The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get

involved in

>

> > graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief.

> > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example,

which of

> the

> > neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to

extent of

>

> > debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep

debility degree)

> >

> > >

> > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of

effort.

> > >

> > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.

> > >

> > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> > > Reema.

> > >

> > > sohamsa, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Alka-ji,

> > > >

> > > > namaskar. Please find comments below.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> > > >

=====================================================================

> > > > sohamsa, Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications

for

> > > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points

about

> > > > cancellation of debility.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an

angulare

> > > house

> > > > from ascendant or the moon.

> > > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted

is in an

> > > > angle from the acendant or the moon.

> > > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.

> > > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.

> > > > >

> > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is

placed in

> > > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding

correct

> > > for

> > > > dispositor?

> > > > >

> > > > > Now my doubts:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always

be moon,

> > > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that

mars

> > > never

> > > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets

cancelled due to

> > > > moon.

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility

at all !

> > > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the

Neechabhanga concept

> > > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is

due to help

> > > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by

kendra from

> > > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in

Karka then

> > > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or

kendra from

> > > > Lagna.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try

by

> > > example

> > > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is

debiliated

> > > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted

in cancer)

> > > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or

asecendant.

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: Yes

> > > >

> > > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that

whether it

> > > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: No

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform

any

> > > > remedies for debilitated planet?

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of

neecha

> > > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a

graha is

> > > in

> > > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are

going down or

> > > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When

the

> > > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga

comes,

> > > the

> > > > situation will become favourable again. So there is

suffering first

> > > and

> > > > then removal.

> > > >

> > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated,

without

> > > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is

likely to

> > > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing

> > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and

exalted,

> > > opposite

> > > > will happen.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly answer my queries.

> > > > >

> > > > > Alka

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Visti ji and other Members,

If some planet is in exaltation and the dispositor of planet is

in debiliation, Do we say this as Raja-Bhanga.

What happens if

1) The debiliated planet get Neecha-Bhanga (it may get 25%, 50% etc

too)

2) The debiliated planet doesnt get Neecha-Bhanga

 

Thanks,

Amit

************

 

, "suchitra_kamath"

<suchitra_kamath wrote:

>

> Namasakr Visti and Other members!

>

> Please mention the rules for Rajabhanga. Also as neechabhanga is

> reckoned from lagna(self effort) or moon(society) what are the

> relevant analogies for the Rajabhanga?

>

> Thanks

> Suchitra

>

> , "Visti Larsen" <visti@>

> wrote:

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Youry, Namaskar

> >

> > Comments below.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

> [] On

> > Behalf Of khmelevsky@

> > 03 August 2006 02:58

> >

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE:Re: cancellation of debility

> rules??

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hare Rama Krsna

> >

> > Dear Visti Ji,

> >

> >

> > > Exaltation in Navamsha always offers 100% Neecha Bhanga (purna

> pada), as

> > this

> > > is a blessing from GOD.

> >

> > May I ask some extra questions about Neecha Bhanga? Does Neecha

> Bhanga

> > works, if a planet debilitated in Navamsha, but exalted in Rashi?

> >

> >

> >

> > [Visti] Actually this is the opposite of Neecha Bhanga, namely

> Raja-Bhanga,

> > where EXALTATION gets cancelled.

> >

> >

> > If we have FOUR Neecha Bhanga among the planets

> > > who are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign, (2)

> > > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation

> sign, are in

> > > Kendra to Lagna/moon,

> > do we have 100% Neecha Bhanga? For example in Navamsha Ma

> debilitated in 2nd

> > Bhava 4th Rashi, but lord of 4th Rashi Ch in 8th Bhava 10 Rashi of

> Navamsha

> > (1st Neecha Bhanga - Ch in Kendra to Ch), with Gu (2nd Neecha

> Bhanga - who

> > are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign of Ma in Kendra to Ch),

> 10 Rashi Ma

> > exaltation Lord Sa are in 7th Rashi 6 Bhava of Navamsha is in

> Kendra to Ch

> > (3rd Neecha Bhanga) and Ma is Exalted in D1 Chart (4th Neecha

> Bhanga???)? Is

> > it correct?

> >

> >

> >

> > [Visti] Debilitation in navamsa is a sign that Bhagavan is

> punishing the

> > person for adharma. Dasa's of this planet are usually not easy. If

> we

> > analyze the neecha bhangas in navamsa only, then we are looking at

> the

> > effect it has on the marriage and not on the entire life in

> totality. I

> > already mentioned the effects of exaltation in rasi. In the case

> you

> > mentioned there is no neecha bhanga, only raja-bhanga.

> >

> > The same with Gu in Navamsha, but Gu is not exalted in D1. Gu with

> Ch are in

> > 8th Bhava 10th Rashi in Navamsha. Ma, who has exaltation in 10th

> Rashi is in

> > 4th Rashi (7th Bhava from Ch - 1st Neecha Bhanga), Ch is lord of

> exaltation

> > sign of Gu is in Kendra to Ch (2nd Neecha Bhanga), and lord of the

> Gu

> > debilitation sign Sa is in 7th Rashi, 6 Bhava (Kendra to Ch - 3rd

> Neecha

> > Bhanga). Do we have 75% Neecha Bhanga in this case?

> >

> >

> >

> > [Visti] There is no neecha bhanga. To overcome the results of

> neecha planets

> > we need to worship the Mahavidya of that planet.

> >

> >

> > Thanks a lot in advance,

> >

> > Youry

> >

> > wrote on 29/07/2006 12:43:21 AM:

> >

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > Dear Sourav and Reema, Namaskar

> > > I just arrived home, and decided to post a little mail.

> > > Neecha Bhanga happens in stages and can be equated to

> percentages.

> > > If ONE among the planets who are (1) exalted in the debilitation

> sign, (2)

> >

> > > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation

> sign, are in

> > > Kendra to lagna/moon, then the neecha bhanga is only considered

> to be 25%

> > (1/4th

> > > pada). If two, then 50% and then considerable results are felt,

> whilst if

> > > three then it is 75%. Here the efforts are put in by the native

> either

> > through

> > > their own efforts (lagna) or through mantra and determination of

> mind

> > (moon)

> > > to get OUT of the state of debilitation.

> > > Exaltation in navamsa always offers 100% neecha bhanga (purna

> pada), as

> > this

> > > is a blessing from GOD.

> > >

> > > Retrogression causes an atma-level-desire causing the dristis to

> be very

> > > strong, and in a debilitation sign causes a strong desire to

> reap the

> > effects

> > > of exaltation, and through the persons own personal

> determination they

> > reap

> > > the effects of exaltation over time.. Especially if this planet

> is

> > associated

> > > with lagna, otherwise the effects are restricted to the dasa of

> the

> > particular

> > > planet. This scenarrio in an exaltation sign does cause the

> desire for

> > > renunciation of fruits, just see Saturn in the chart of Sri

> Ramakrishna

> > Paramahamsa.

> > >

> > > Exalted planets joined debilitated planets is like a beggar

> meeting a

> > > millionaire. The Beggar benefits from the millionaires

> donations, whilst

> > the

> > > millionaire has to suffer the emptying of his wallet. Hence the

> dasa of

> > the

> > > debilitated planet becomes auspicious, whilst the opposite is so

> for the

> > > exalted planet. In my experience this is more noteworthy during

> dasas of

> > these

> > > planets. Bill Gates has a debilitated Sun joined an exalted

> Saturn, and

> > during

> > > Sun dasa he has continued his excellent growth of wealth.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > ***

> > > Visti Larsen

> > > For services and articles visit:

> > > http://srigaruda.com

> > > ***

> > >

> > > sohamsa [sohamsa]

> On Behalf

> > Of Sourav

> > > 29 July 2006 07:47

> > > sohamsa

> > > Re: cancellation of debility rules??

> > >

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > Dear Reema-ji,

> > > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks

> for sharing

> > > Sanjay-ji's old message.

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Sourav

> > > ==============================================================

> > > sohamsa, "reema_sriganesh"

> <reema_sriganesh@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Sourav,

> > > >

> > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated,

> without

> > > > considering other neechabhanga

> > > > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation

> status after

> > > > initial suffering or opposing

> > > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and

> exalted,

> > > > opposite will happen.

> > > >

> > > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old

> messages of

> > > > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.

> > > >

> > > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:

> > > >

> > > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a

> kendra

> > > > from lagna or chandra

> > > >

> > > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is

> placed is

> > > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > > >

> > > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is

> placed is

> > > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also

> checked

> > (Neecha in

> > > rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)

> > > >

> > > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga

> rajayoga,

> > > > which are not mentioned in the classics, are:

> > > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The

> teaching is

> > that

> > > the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is

> reversed to be

> > akin

> > > to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a

> debilitated

> > retrograde

> > > Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has

> strength due to

> >

> > > being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)

> > > >

> > > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde

> > > >

> > > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha

> > > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the

> neecha graha

> > > pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that

> exalted.

> > > Food for Thought:

> > > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika

> > Sambandha ?

> > > The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get

> involved in

> >

> > > graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief.

> > > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example,

> which of

> > the

> > > neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to

> extent of

> >

> > > debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep

> debility degree)

> > >

> > > >

> > > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of

> effort.

> > > >

> > > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.

> > > >

> > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> > > > Reema.

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Alka-ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > namaskar. Please find comments below.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sourav

> > > > >

> > > > >

> =====================================================================

> > > > > sohamsa, Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications

> for

> > > > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points

> about

> > > > > cancellation of debility.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an

> angulare

> > > > house

> > > > > from ascendant or the moon.

> > > > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted

> is in an

> > > > > angle from the acendant or the moon.

> > > > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.

> > > > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is

> placed in

> > > > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding

> correct

> > > > for

> > > > > dispositor?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now my doubts:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always

> be moon,

> > > > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that

> mars

> > > > never

> > > > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets

> cancelled due to

> > > > > moon.

> > > > >

> > > > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility

> at all !

> > > > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the

> Neechabhanga concept

> > > > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is

> due to help

> > > > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by

> kendra from

> > > > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in

> Karka then

> > > > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or

> kendra from

> > > > > Lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try

> by

> > > > example

> > > > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is

> debiliated

> > > > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted

> in cancer)

> > > > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or

> asecendant.

> > > > >

> > > > > [sourav]: Yes

> > > > >

> > > > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that

> whether it

> > > > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.

> > > > >

> > > > > [sourav]: No

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform

> any

> > > > > remedies for debilitated planet?

> > > > >

> > > > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of

> neecha

> > > > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a

> graha is

> > > > in

> > > > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are

> going down or

> > > > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When

> the

> > > > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga

> comes,

> > > > the

> > > > > situation will become favourable again. So there is

> suffering first

> > > > and

> > > > > then removal.

> > > > >

> > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated,

> without

> > > > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is

> likely to

> > > > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing

> > > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and

> exalted,

> > > > opposite

> > > > > will happen.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kindly answer my queries.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Alka

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> around

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

 

Dear Amit,

 

Namaskar. Strength of a graha also depends on

strength of its dispositor, friendship with the dispositor etc. Hence,

if the dispositor is in debility, this weakens the houses it owns. The

significance of the house is promoted by the exalted graha in that

house. This is not raja-bhanga. Raja-bhanga is when there is no support

from Bhagya (debility in Navamsa).

 

Best wishes,

 

Sourav

 

=================================================================

, "ak_131" <agrawal.amitk wrote:

>

> Dear Visti ji and other Members,

> If some planet is in exaltation and the dispositor of planet is

> in debiliation, Do we say this as Raja-Bhanga.

> What happens if

> 1) The debiliated planet get Neecha-Bhanga (it may get 25%, 50% etc

> too)

> 2) The debiliated planet doesnt get Neecha-Bhanga

>

> Thanks,

> Amit

> ************

>

> , "suchitra_kamath"

> suchitra_kamath@ wrote:

> >

> > Namasakr Visti and Other members!

> >

> > Please mention the rules for Rajabhanga. Also as neechabhanga is

> > reckoned from lagna(self effort) or moon(society) what are the

> > relevant analogies for the Rajabhanga?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Suchitra

> >

> > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Youry, Namaskar

> > >

> > > Comments below.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > For services and articles visit:

> > >

> > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > >

> > [] On

> > > Behalf Of khmelevsky@

> > > 03 August 2006 02:58

> > >

> > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE:Re: cancellation of debility

> > rules??

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krsna

> > >

> > > Dear Visti Ji,

> > >

> > >

> > > > Exaltation in Navamsha always offers 100% Neecha Bhanga (purna

> > pada), as

> > > this

> > > > is a blessing from GOD.

> > >

> > > May I ask some extra questions about Neecha Bhanga? Does Neecha

> > Bhanga

> > > works, if a planet debilitated in Navamsha, but exalted in Rashi?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Visti] Actually this is the opposite of Neecha Bhanga, namely

> > Raja-Bhanga,

> > > where EXALTATION gets cancelled.

> > >

> > >

> > > If we have FOUR Neecha Bhanga among the planets

> > > > who are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign, (2)

> > > > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation

> > sign, are in

> > > > Kendra to Lagna/moon,

> > > do we have 100% Neecha Bhanga? For example in Navamsha Ma

> > debilitated in 2nd

> > > Bhava 4th Rashi, but lord of 4th Rashi Ch in 8th Bhava 10 Rashi of

> > Navamsha

> > > (1st Neecha Bhanga - Ch in Kendra to Ch), with Gu (2nd Neecha

> > Bhanga - who

> > > are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign of Ma in Kendra to Ch),

> > 10 Rashi Ma

> > > exaltation Lord Sa are in 7th Rashi 6 Bhava of Navamsha is in

> > Kendra to Ch

> > > (3rd Neecha Bhanga) and Ma is Exalted in D1 Chart (4th Neecha

> > Bhanga???)? Is

> > > it correct?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Visti] Debilitation in navamsa is a sign that Bhagavan is

> > punishing the

> > > person for adharma. Dasa's of this planet are usually not easy. If

> > we

> > > analyze the neecha bhangas in navamsa only, then we are looking at

> > the

> > > effect it has on the marriage and not on the entire life in

> > totality. I

> > > already mentioned the effects of exaltation in rasi. In the case

> > you

> > > mentioned there is no neecha bhanga, only raja-bhanga.

> > >

> > > The same with Gu in Navamsha, but Gu is not exalted in D1. Gu with

> > Ch are in

> > > 8th Bhava 10th Rashi in Navamsha. Ma, who has exaltation in 10th

> > Rashi is in

> > > 4th Rashi (7th Bhava from Ch - 1st Neecha Bhanga), Ch is lord of

> > exaltation

> > > sign of Gu is in Kendra to Ch (2nd Neecha Bhanga), and lord of the

> > Gu

> > > debilitation sign Sa is in 7th Rashi, 6 Bhava (Kendra to Ch - 3rd

> > Neecha

> > > Bhanga). Do we have 75% Neecha Bhanga in this case?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Visti] There is no neecha bhanga. To overcome the results of

> > neecha planets

> > > we need to worship the Mahavidya of that planet.

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot in advance,

> > >

> > > Youry

> > >

> > > wrote on 29/07/2006 12:43:21 AM:

> > >

> > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > Dear Sourav and Reema, Namaskar

> > > > I just arrived home, and decided to post a little mail.

> > > > Neecha Bhanga happens in stages and can be equated to

> > percentages.

> > > > If ONE among the planets who are (1) exalted in the debilitation

> > sign, (2)

> > >

> > > > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation

> > sign, are in

> > > > Kendra to lagna/moon, then the neecha bhanga is only considered

> > to be 25%

> > > (1/4th

> > > > pada). If two, then 50% and then considerable results are felt,

> > whilst if

> > > > three then it is 75%. Here the efforts are put in by the native

> > either

> > > through

> > > > their own efforts (lagna) or through mantra and determination of

> > mind

> > > (moon)

> > > > to get OUT of the state of debilitation.

> > > > Exaltation in navamsa always offers 100% neecha bhanga (purna

> > pada), as

> > > this

> > > > is a blessing from GOD.

> > > >

> > > > Retrogression causes an atma-level-desire causing the dristis to

> > be very

> > > > strong, and in a debilitation sign causes a strong desire to

> > reap the

> > > effects

> > > > of exaltation, and through the persons own personal

> > determination they

> > > reap

> > > > the effects of exaltation over time.. Especially if this planet

> > is

> > > associated

> > > > with lagna, otherwise the effects are restricted to the dasa of

> > the

> > > particular

> > > > planet. This scenarrio in an exaltation sign does cause the

> > desire for

> > > > renunciation of fruits, just see Saturn in the chart of Sri

> > Ramakrishna

> > > Paramahamsa.

> > > >

> > > > Exalted planets joined debilitated planets is like a beggar

> > meeting a

> > > > millionaire. The Beggar benefits from the millionaires

> > donations, whilst

> > > the

> > > > millionaire has to suffer the emptying of his wallet. Hence the

> > dasa of

> > > the

> > > > debilitated planet becomes auspicious, whilst the opposite is so

> > for the

> > > > exalted planet. In my experience this is more noteworthy during

> > dasas of

> > > these

> > > > planets. Bill Gates has a debilitated Sun joined an exalted

> > Saturn, and

> > > during

> > > > Sun dasa he has continued his excellent growth of wealth.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > ***

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > http://srigaruda.com

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa [sohamsa]

> > On Behalf

> > > Of Sourav

> > > > 29 July 2006 07:47

> > > > sohamsa

> > > > Re: cancellation of debility rules??

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > Dear Reema-ji,

> > > > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks

> > for sharing

> > > > Sanjay-ji's old message.

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Sourav

> > > > ==============================================================

> > > > sohamsa, "reema_sriganesh"

> > <reema_sriganesh@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Sourav,

> > > > >

> > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated,

> > without

> > > > > considering other neechabhanga

> > > > > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation

> > status after

> > > > > initial suffering or opposing

> > > > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and

> > exalted,

> > > > > opposite will happen.

> > > > >

> > > > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old

> > messages of

> > > > > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.

> > > > >

> > > > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a

> > kendra

> > > > > from lagna or chandra

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is

> > placed is

> > > > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is

> > placed is

> > > > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > > > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also

> > checked

> > > (Neecha in

> > > > rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)

> > > > >

> > > > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga

> > rajayoga,

> > > > > which are not mentioned in the classics, are:

> > > > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The

> > teaching is

> > > that

> > > > the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is

> > reversed to be

> > > akin

> > > > to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a

> > debilitated

> > > retrograde

> > > > Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has

> > strength due to

> > >

> > > > being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha

> > > > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the

> > neecha graha

> > > > pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that

> > exalted.

> > > > Food for Thought:

> > > > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the

Naisargika

> > > Sambandha ?

> > > > The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get

> > involved in

> > >

> > > > graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief.

> > > > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example,

> > which of

> > > the

> > > > neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to

> > extent of

> > >

> > > > debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep

> > debility degree)

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of

> > effort.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.

> > > > >

> > > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> > > > > Reema.

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Alka-ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > namaskar. Please find comments below.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> >

=====================================================================

> > > > > > sohamsa, Alka Saini alka.saini@

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications

> > for

> > > > > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points

> > about

> > > > > > cancellation of debility.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an

> > angulare

> > > > > house

> > > > > > from ascendant or the moon.

> > > > > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted

> > is in an

> > > > > > angle from the acendant or the moon.

> > > > > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.

> > > > > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is

> > placed in

> > > > > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding

> > correct

> > > > > for

> > > > > > dispositor?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now my doubts:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always

> > be moon,

> > > > > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that

> > mars

> > > > > never

> > > > > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets

> > cancelled due to

> > > > > > moon.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility

> > at all !

> > > > > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the

> > Neechabhanga concept

> > > > > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is

> > due to help

> > > > > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by

> > kendra from

> > > > > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in

> > Karka then

> > > > > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or

> > kendra from

> > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try

> > by

> > > > > example

> > > > > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is

> > debiliated

> > > > > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted

> > in cancer)

> > > > > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or

> > asecendant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sourav]: Yes

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that

> > whether it

> > > > > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sourav]: No

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform

> > any

> > > > > > remedies for debilitated planet?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of

> > neecha

> > > > > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a

> > graha is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are

> > going down or

> > > > > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When

> > the

> > > > > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga

> > comes,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > situation will become favourable again. So there is

> > suffering first

> > > > > and

> > > > > > then removal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated,

> > without

> > > > > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is

> > likely to

> > > > > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing

> > > > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and

> > exalted,

> > > > > opposite

> > > > > > will happen.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kindly answer my queries.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Alka

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> > around

> > > > > > >

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> >

>

[Guest guest]

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Suchitra, Namaskar

Rafal Gendarz wrote an article on Raja Bhanga yoga which was published in

the Jyotish Digest. Maybe he will be so kind to share the principles with

you or refer you to the article.

Best wishes,

***

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[] On

Behalf Of suchitra_kamath

03 August 2006 13:27

 

[Om Krishna Guru] RE:Re: cancellation of debility

rules??-Rajabhanga/ucchabhanga

 

 

 

Namasakr Visti and Other members!

 

Please mention the rules for Rajabhanga. Also as neechabhanga is

reckoned from lagna(self effort) or moon(society) what are the

relevant analogies for the Rajabhanga?

 

Thanks

Suchitra

 

@ <%40>

, "Visti Larsen" <visti

wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Youry, Namaskar

>

> Comments below.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com> http://srigaruda.

<http://srigaruda.com> com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

> @ <%40>

 

[@ <%40>

] On

> Behalf Of khmelevsky

> 03 August 2006 02:58

> @ <%40>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE:Re: cancellation of debility

rules??

>

>

>

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> Dear Visti Ji,

>

>

> > Exaltation in Navamsha always offers 100% Neecha Bhanga (purna

pada), as

> this

> > is a blessing from GOD.

>

> May I ask some extra questions about Neecha Bhanga? Does Neecha

Bhanga

> works, if a planet debilitated in Navamsha, but exalted in Rashi?

>

>

>

> [Visti] Actually this is the opposite of Neecha Bhanga, namely

Raja-Bhanga,

> where EXALTATION gets cancelled.

>

>

> If we have FOUR Neecha Bhanga among the planets

> > who are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign, (2)

> > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation

sign, are in

> > Kendra to Lagna/moon,

> do we have 100% Neecha Bhanga? For example in Navamsha Ma

debilitated in 2nd

> Bhava 4th Rashi, but lord of 4th Rashi Ch in 8th Bhava 10 Rashi of

Navamsha

> (1st Neecha Bhanga - Ch in Kendra to Ch), with Gu (2nd Neecha

Bhanga - who

> are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign of Ma in Kendra to Ch),

10 Rashi Ma

> exaltation Lord Sa are in 7th Rashi 6 Bhava of Navamsha is in

Kendra to Ch

> (3rd Neecha Bhanga) and Ma is Exalted in D1 Chart (4th Neecha

Bhanga???)? Is

> it correct?

>

>

>

> [Visti] Debilitation in navamsa is a sign that Bhagavan is

punishing the

> person for adharma. Dasa's of this planet are usually not easy. If

we

> analyze the neecha bhangas in navamsa only, then we are looking at

the

> effect it has on the marriage and not on the entire life in

totality. I

> already mentioned the effects of exaltation in rasi. In the case

you

> mentioned there is no neecha bhanga, only raja-bhanga.

>

> The same with Gu in Navamsha, but Gu is not exalted in D1. Gu with

Ch are in

> 8th Bhava 10th Rashi in Navamsha. Ma, who has exaltation in 10th

Rashi is in

> 4th Rashi (7th Bhava from Ch - 1st Neecha Bhanga), Ch is lord of

exaltation

> sign of Gu is in Kendra to Ch (2nd Neecha Bhanga), and lord of the

Gu

> debilitation sign Sa is in 7th Rashi, 6 Bhava (Kendra to Ch - 3rd

Neecha

> Bhanga). Do we have 75% Neecha Bhanga in this case?

>

>

>

> [Visti] There is no neecha bhanga. To overcome the results of

neecha planets

> we need to worship the Mahavidya of that planet.

>

>

> Thanks a lot in advance,

>

> Youry

>

> @ <%40>

wrote on 29/07/2006 12:43:21 AM:

>

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > Dear Sourav and Reema, Namaskar

> > I just arrived home, and decided to post a little mail.

> > Neecha Bhanga happens in stages and can be equated to

percentages.

> > If ONE among the planets who are (1) exalted in the debilitation

sign, (2)

>

> > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation

sign, are in

> > Kendra to lagna/moon, then the neecha bhanga is only considered

to be 25%

> (1/4th

> > pada). If two, then 50% and then considerable results are felt,

whilst if

> > three then it is 75%. Here the efforts are put in by the native

either

> through

> > their own efforts (lagna) or through mantra and determination of

mind

> (moon)

> > to get OUT of the state of debilitation.

> > Exaltation in navamsa always offers 100% neecha bhanga (purna

pada), as

> this

> > is a blessing from GOD.

> >

> > Retrogression causes an atma-level-desire causing the dristis to

be very

> > strong, and in a debilitation sign causes a strong desire to

reap the

> effects

> > of exaltation, and through the persons own personal

determination they

> reap

> > the effects of exaltation over time.. Especially if this planet

is

> associated

> > with lagna, otherwise the effects are restricted to the dasa of

the

> particular

> > planet. This scenarrio in an exaltation sign does cause the

desire for

> > renunciation of fruits, just see Saturn in the chart of Sri

Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa.

> >

> > Exalted planets joined debilitated planets is like a beggar

meeting a

> > millionaire. The Beggar benefits from the millionaires

donations, whilst

> the

> > millionaire has to suffer the emptying of his wallet. Hence the

dasa of

> the

> > debilitated planet becomes auspicious, whilst the opposite is so

for the

> > exalted planet. In my experience this is more noteworthy during

dasas of

> these

> > planets. Bill Gates has a debilitated Sun joined an exalted

Saturn, and

> during

> > Sun dasa he has continued his excellent growth of wealth.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > ***

> > Visti Larsen

> > For services and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com

> > ***

> >

> > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com

[sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com]

On Behalf

> Of Sourav

> > 29 July 2006 07:47

> > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com

> > Re: cancellation of debility rules??

> >

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > Dear Reema-ji,

> > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks

for sharing

> > Sanjay-ji's old message.

> > Best wishes,

> > Sourav

> > ==============================================================

> > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com,

"reema_sriganesh"

<reema_sriganesh@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >

> > > Namaste Sourav,

> > >

> > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated,

without

> > > considering other neechabhanga

> > > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation

status after

> > > initial suffering or opposing

> > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and

exalted,

> > > opposite will happen.

> > >

> > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old

messages of

> > > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.

> > >

> > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:

> > >

> > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a

kendra

> > > from lagna or chandra

> > >

> > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is

placed is

> > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > >

> > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is

placed is

> > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also

checked

> (Neecha in

> > rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)

> > >

> > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga

rajayoga,

> > > which are not mentioned in the classics, are:

> > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The

teaching is

> that

> > the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is

reversed to be

> akin

> > to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a

debilitated

> retrograde

> > Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has

strength due to

>

> > being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)

> > >

> > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde

> > >

> > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha

> > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the

neecha graha

> > pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that

exalted.

> > Food for Thought:

> > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika

> Sambandha ?

> > The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get

involved in

>

> > graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief.

> > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example,

which of

> the

> > neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to

extent of

>

> > debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep

debility degree)

> >

> > >

> > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of

effort.

> > >

> > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.

> > >

> > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> > > Reema.

> > >

> > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com,

"Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Alka-ji,

> > > >

> > > > namaskar. Please find comments below.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> > > >

=====================================================================

> > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com,

Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications

for

> > > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points

about

> > > > cancellation of debility.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an

angulare

> > > house

> > > > from ascendant or the moon.

> > > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted

is in an

> > > > angle from the acendant or the moon.

> > > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.

> > > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.

> > > > >

> > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is

placed in

> > > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding

correct

> > > for

> > > > dispositor?

> > > > >

> > > > > Now my doubts:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always

be moon,

> > > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that

mars

> > > never

> > > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets

cancelled due to

> > > > moon.

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility

at all !

> > > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the

Neechabhanga concept

> > > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is

due to help

> > > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by

kendra from

> > > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in

Karka then

> > > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or

kendra from

> > > > Lagna.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try

by

> > > example

> > > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is

debiliated

> > > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted

in cancer)

> > > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or

asecendant.

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: Yes

> > > >

> > > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that

whether it

> > > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: No

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform

any

> > > > remedies for debilitated planet?

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of

neecha

> > > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a

graha is

> > > in

> > > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are

going down or

> > > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When

the

> > > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga

comes,

> > > the

> > > > situation will become favourable again. So there is

suffering first

> > > and

> > > > then removal.

> > > >

> > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated,

without

> > > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is

likely to

> > > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing

> > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and

exalted,

> > > opposite

> > > > will happen.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly answer my queries.

> > > > >

> > > > > Alka

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > > > > http://mail. <>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

vyam vyasadevaya namah

Dear Suchitra,

 

There are whole chapter about it in Saravali.

 

 

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

 

 

-

Visti Larsen

Friday, August 11, 2006 9:57 PM

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] RE:Re: cancellation of debility rules??-Rajabhanga/ucchabhanga

 

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Suchitra, Namaskar

Rafal Gendarz wrote an article on Raja Bhanga yoga which was published in the Jyotish Digest. Maybe he will be so kind to share the principles with you or refer you to the article.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

***

 

 

 

 

 

[] On Behalf Of suchitra_kamath

03 August 2006 13:27

[Om Krishna Guru] RE:Re: cancellation of debility rules??-Rajabhanga/ucchabhanga

 

 

Namasakr Visti and Other members!

 

Please mention the rules for Rajabhanga. Also as neechabhanga is

reckoned from lagna(self effort) or moon(society) what are the

relevant analogies for the Rajabhanga?

 

Thanks

Suchitra

 

, "Visti Larsen" <visti

wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Youry, Namaskar

>

> Comments below.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

>

[] On

> Behalf Of khmelevsky

> 03 August 2006 02:58

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE:Re: cancellation of debility

rules??

>

>

>

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> Dear Visti Ji,

>

>

> > Exaltation in Navamsha always offers 100% Neecha Bhanga (purna

pada), as

> this

> > is a blessing from GOD.

>

> May I ask some extra questions about Neecha Bhanga? Does Neecha

Bhanga

> works, if a planet debilitated in Navamsha, but exalted in Rashi?

>

>

>

> [Visti] Actually this is the opposite of Neecha Bhanga, namely

Raja-Bhanga,

> where EXALTATION gets cancelled.

>

>

> If we have FOUR Neecha Bhanga among the planets

> > who are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign, (2)

> > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation

sign, are in

> > Kendra to Lagna/moon,

> do we have 100% Neecha Bhanga? For example in Navamsha Ma

debilitated in 2nd

> Bhava 4th Rashi, but lord of 4th Rashi Ch in 8th Bhava 10 Rashi of

Navamsha

> (1st Neecha Bhanga - Ch in Kendra to Ch), with Gu (2nd Neecha

Bhanga - who

> are (1) exalted in the debilitation sign of Ma in Kendra to Ch),

10 Rashi Ma

> exaltation Lord Sa are in 7th Rashi 6 Bhava of Navamsha is in

Kendra to Ch

> (3rd Neecha Bhanga) and Ma is Exalted in D1 Chart (4th Neecha

Bhanga???)? Is

> it correct?

>

>

>

> [Visti] Debilitation in navamsa is a sign that Bhagavan is

punishing the

> person for adharma. Dasa's of this planet are usually not easy. If

we

> analyze the neecha bhangas in navamsa only, then we are looking at

the

> effect it has on the marriage and not on the entire life in

totality. I

> already mentioned the effects of exaltation in rasi. In the case

you

> mentioned there is no neecha bhanga, only raja-bhanga.

>

> The same with Gu in Navamsha, but Gu is not exalted in D1. Gu with

Ch are in

> 8th Bhava 10th Rashi in Navamsha. Ma, who has exaltation in 10th

Rashi is in

> 4th Rashi (7th Bhava from Ch - 1st Neecha Bhanga), Ch is lord of

exaltation

> sign of Gu is in Kendra to Ch (2nd Neecha Bhanga), and lord of the

Gu

> debilitation sign Sa is in 7th Rashi, 6 Bhava (Kendra to Ch - 3rd

Neecha

> Bhanga). Do we have 75% Neecha Bhanga in this case?

>

>

>

> [Visti] There is no neecha bhanga. To overcome the results of

neecha planets

> we need to worship the Mahavidya of that planet.

>

>

> Thanks a lot in advance,

>

> Youry

>

> wrote on 29/07/2006 12:43:21 AM:

>

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > Dear Sourav and Reema, Namaskar

> > I just arrived home, and decided to post a little mail.

> > Neecha Bhanga happens in stages and can be equated to

percentages.

> > If ONE among the planets who are (1) exalted in the debilitation

sign, (2)

>

> > lording the exaltation sign and (3) lording the debilitation

sign, are in

> > Kendra to lagna/moon, then the neecha bhanga is only considered

to be 25%

> (1/4th

> > pada). If two, then 50% and then considerable results are felt,

whilst if

> > three then it is 75%. Here the efforts are put in by the native

either

> through

> > their own efforts (lagna) or through mantra and determination of

mind

> (moon)

> > to get OUT of the state of debilitation.

> > Exaltation in navamsa always offers 100% neecha bhanga (purna

pada), as

> this

> > is a blessing from GOD.

> >

> > Retrogression causes an atma-level-desire causing the dristis to

be very

> > strong, and in a debilitation sign causes a strong desire to

reap the

> effects

> > of exaltation, and through the persons own personal

determination they

> reap

> > the effects of exaltation over time.. Especially if this planet

is

> associated

> > with lagna, otherwise the effects are restricted to the dasa of

the

> particular

> > planet. This scenarrio in an exaltation sign does cause the

desire for

> > renunciation of fruits, just see Saturn in the chart of Sri

Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa.

> >

> > Exalted planets joined debilitated planets is like a beggar

meeting a

> > millionaire. The Beggar benefits from the millionaires

donations, whilst

> the

> > millionaire has to suffer the emptying of his wallet. Hence the

dasa of

> the

> > debilitated planet becomes auspicious, whilst the opposite is so

for the

> > exalted planet. In my experience this is more noteworthy during

dasas of

> these

> > planets. Bill Gates has a debilitated Sun joined an exalted

Saturn, and

> during

> > Sun dasa he has continued his excellent growth of wealth.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > ***

> > Visti Larsen

> > For services and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com

> > ***

> >

> > sohamsa [sohamsa]

On Behalf

> Of Sourav

> > 29 July 2006 07:47

> > sohamsa

> > Re: cancellation of debility rules??

> >

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > Dear Reema-ji,

> > Namaskar. Comments below. Thanks

for sharing

> > Sanjay-ji's old message.

> > Best wishes,

> > Sourav

> > ==============================================================

> > sohamsa, "reema_sriganesh"

<reema_sriganesh@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >

> > > Namaste Sourav,

> > >

> > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated,

without

> > > considering other neechabhanga

> > > > rules, we can say that it is likely to give exaltation

status after

> > > initial suffering or opposing

> > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and

exalted,

> > > opposite will happen.

> > >

> > > I remember reading the following in one of the really old

messages of

> > > Sanjayji on Varahamihira list.

> > >

> > > The three conditions that cause neecha-bhanga rajayoga are:

> > >

> > > 1) Graha lording the sign where neecha graha is placed is in a

kendra

> > > from lagna or chandra

> > >

> > > 2) Graha lording the 7th from the sign where neecha graha is

placed is

> > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > >

> > > 3) Graha getting exaltation in the sign where neecha graha is

placed is

> > > in a kendra from lagna or chandra

> > [sourav]: These are traditionally accepted. Navamsa is also

checked

> (Neecha in

> > rasi and Uchccha in Navamsa)

> > >

> > > In addition to these, two more conditions of neecha-bhanga

rajayoga,

> > > which are not mentioned in the classics, are:

> > [sourav]: I don't think these are neecha-bhanga per se. The

teaching is

> that

> > the results are akin to debilitation initialy and then is

reversed to be

> akin

> > to exaltation. The key word is 'akin to' for example a

debilitated

> retrograde

> > Shukra in kendra goes not give Malavya yoga but Shukra has

strength due to

>

> > being vakri ( ref. to strength rules)

> > >

> > > 1) Neecha graha is retrograde

> > >

> > > 2) Neecha graha is conjoined an uccha graha

> > [sourav]: I didnt know of this. Thanks. However, I think the

neecha graha

> > pulls down the uccha graha and the uccha graha is no longer that

exalted.

> > Food for Thought:

> > (a) Does this relief to the neecha graha depend on the Naisargika

> Sambandha ?

> > The reason I put this is that grahas conjoining in a house get

involved in

>

> > graha yudda and hence this factor may influence the relief.

> > (b) I never read about the quality of neecha-bhanga for example,

which of

> the

> > neecha-bhanga rules give more strength. This could be related to

extent of

>

> > debility (i.e. how close the neecha graha is to its deep

debility degree)

> >

> > >

> > > The last two conditions give neecha-bhanga with a lot of

effort.

> > >

> > > This is from my recollection and so I could be slighly off.

> > >

> > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> > > Reema.

> > >

> > > sohamsa, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Alka-ji,

> > > >

> > > > namaskar. Please find comments below.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> > > >

=====================================================================

> > > > sohamsa, Alka Saini alka.saini@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am beginner in astrology and I seek some clarifications

for

> > > > cancellation of debility. I have read the following 4 points

about

> > > > cancellation of debility.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. If the dipositor of the debilitated planet is in an

angulare

> > > house

> > > > from ascendant or the moon.

> > > > > 2. If the lord of the sign where such a planet is exalted

is in an

> > > > angle from the acendant or the moon.

> > > > > 3. If the debilitated planet is aspected by its dipositor.

> > > > > 4. The debilitated planet is in own or exalted Navamasa.

> > > > >

> > > > > What I have understood dispositor as: e.g. if mars is

placed in

> > > > cancer, then dispositor of mars is moon. Is my understanding

correct

> > > for

> > > > dispositor?

> > > > >

> > > > > Now my doubts:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. If mars is placed in cancer, its dispositor will always

be moon,

> > > > which will be in an angle from moon. So, does that mean that

mars

> > > never

> > > > gets debilitated or in other words, debiliation gets

cancelled due to

> > > > moon.

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: If that is so then Mangal will never have debility

at all !

> > > > But that cannot be so. We have to understand the

Neechabhanga concept

> > > > carefully. It it is caused by Kendra to Chandra then it is

due to help

> > > > from society (Chandra is karaka of society). If it is by

kendra from

> > > > lagna then it is due to self-effort. Hence, if Mangal is in

Karka then

> > > > look for Guru of Shani being in kendra from Chandra or

kendra from

> > > > Lagna.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. I have not understood the rule number 2 properly. I try

by

> > > example

> > > > and u ppl let me know if i am correct. say again if mars is

debiliated

> > > > (cancer), so do we have to look at jupiter (it gets exalted

in cancer)

> > > > and check if it is in an angular house from moon or

asecendant.

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: Yes

> > > >

> > > > Or we to check the exaltation sign of mars (capricorn) that

whether it

> > > > is in an angular house from moon or asecendant.

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: No

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. if debility is cancelled, then we don't need to perform

any

> > > > remedies for debilitated planet?

> > > >

> > > > [sourav]: The correct word is Neecha Bhanga or 'breaking' of

neecha

> > > > status. It is not cancellation. Rasi shows situation. When a

graha is

> > > in

> > > > neecha status, the person will face situations that are

going down or

> > > > becoming unfavourable. So there is initial suffering. When

the

> > > > Vimsottari dasa of the graha which is bestowing neechabhanga

comes,

> > > the

> > > > situation will become favourable again. So there is

suffering first

> > > and

> > > > then removal.

> > > >

> > > > Incidentally, if a graha is retrograde and debilitated,

without

> > > > considering other neechabhanga rules, we can say that it is

likely to

> > > > give exaltation status after initial suffering or opposing

> > > > circumstances. Similarly, when graha is retrograde and

exalted,

> > > opposite

> > > > will happen.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly answer my queries.

> > > > >

> > > > > Alka

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>