Idol Worship - Misrepresentation of Facts

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Sri Surya quoted:

"na karmana, Na prajaya, Dhanena tyagenaike Amritatvamaanasuh"

He has been misquoting the translations and meanings to members here. The

Vedas say not by Karma, not by progeny, not by wealth is Amrita (Brahman)

known. Only through Tyaga, Brahman is known. Tyaga of what is being pointed

out? - Sri Surya says it is the tyaga of wealth. Let us analyse it:

 

The tyaga of wealth is an action. The Veda say "Brahman is not known by

karma". In this statement, the point is on surrender and on acceptance of

results of actions. Only through "Tyaga" of "Want of controlling the results

of actions" and "egoistic buddhi that one is controller of the results of

actions" is the way to come out of Karmic cycle. This is the purification by

Karma Yoga. Obviously, there is no mention of tyaga of wealth. This is one

of the most foolish interpretations that I have come across.

 

It is clear that this person (Sri Surya) is not only misrepresenting the

Scriptures but also using the forum for misinforming and creating confusion

to those who haven't read them.

 

I am also glad that almost all of the members have rejected his

misrepresentation and I'd like to congratulate them. One small message to

Sri Bhaskar - that please do not get upset or angry at such audacity shown

by Sri Surya. Perhaps it is time for him to find another guru.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

On 8/3/06, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote:

>

> Surya,

>

> We all have said that we do agree to such concepts and do our bit along

> with the family's dharma as a Grihastha and as u quote too many scriptures u

> may remember the episode where Karthikeya d Ganesha were asked to go to all

> Punya kshetras, nadhis and have a dip and the one who comes first will be

> given.... Kartikeya took off in a flash and was sure he will win and poor

> Mushika Vahana and heavy weight Ganesha was dumbstruck but still managed

> with some prodding for Sage Narada to circumbulate his parents 3 times and

> as he was doing this Karitkeya was able to see Ganesha dip in each kshetra

> earlier than him, as service to parents the premier Guru,s devathas was

> highest.

> similarly in Ramayana you will find Sravana taking care of his blind

> parents and also in a pilgrimage how Dasharatha killed him by mistake etc...

> does this mean family bonds have no value only renouncing the way there is a

> middle path for all and each life as we progress the accumulated goodness,

> selflessness, sacrifices etc will move our soul closer to improve our

> chances of what u r also saying by and who acquire wealth by honest effort

> and sill are affluent, do make social contributions are not Tattas, Birlas,

> Narayana Myrthys' Bill gates, Time Warner not involved in giving back to

> nature, society?

>

> and people who aggrandize, usurp, cheat, swindle, loot, amass wealth are a

> different kind, and they can go down the Jivana chakra and may be born in

> leaser levels next time and may be become insects, animals or whatever.

>

> but there is an effort surely by Grhastas also and this forum for

> astrologers are sure in that stream you need to focus your self in

> materialistic and aggrandizers sites your are at he wrong place and ant the

> wrong time... shift and enlighten others here please read charts for the

> numerous suffering members.

> I do disagree with the treatment some give u as it is more a frustration

> that u are harassing us in the wrong area, as said please move to

> materialistic sites.

>

> good luck

>

>

>

> surya <dattapr2000 <dattapr2000%40>> wrote: dear friend

> Bhaskarji

>

> First of all i want to appologise for the mistake committed by me (i

> added that line 'meditation was not preached by Lord Krishna in

> Gita'in swamiji's message. hence, mistake is mine only.

>

> I want to reply to your objections raised regarding the 'karma phala

> tyaga'.

>

> Message of swamiji:

>

> The scriptures say that your sacrifice of money is highest.

>

> 1)In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya), Gita says that the

> fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam

> Tyaktva Maneeshinah...). This means that realized scholars sacrifice

> the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work

> on the top most level. Gita says `Jnanat dhyanam visishyate, Dhyanat

> Karma Phala Tyagah' i.e., Bhakti (devotion) is better than Jnana

> (knowledge) and sacrificing the fruit of your work (money) is better

> than Bakthi.

>

> 2)Gita says `Sarva karma Phala tyagam', `prahuh tyagam vichakshanah'

> i.e., if you can give the fruit of the entire work to the Lord, then

> that is real sacrifice.

>

> 3)`Na karmana, Na prajaya, Dhanena tyagenaike Amritatvamaanasuh'

> i.e., you cannot attain God by selfish work or the children. You

> can attain God only by sacrificing your money for God's work. – The

> Veda

>

> 4)The first words of the first Upanishath (Easavaasyam) says, `Tena

> tyaktena Bhunjeedah' `Ma gradha ha kasyasvit Dhanam' i.e., this

> entire world is the money of the Lord. Take whatever you require

> from His wealth; don't take extra which is not permitted by the

> God. If you have taken, you are a thief. Return it back to the

> Lord.

>

> 5)Veda says `Samvidha' `Shraddhayaa' `Hriya' `Bhiya dheyam', i.e.,

> return the extra to the Lord in human form after recognizing Him

> through His Jnana. Wait patiently till you recognize the Lord in

> human form. When you are donating your money to Him (actually you

> are giving Him His own money) you should give it with fear and feel

> shy.

>

> 6)In Yoga Vasistha the Guru Vasista says to Rama (Dhanamarjaya)

> i.e., bring money and offer it to me as Guru Dakshina before I can

> teach you the Jnana.

>

> Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this

> important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma

> Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. Mr. Patil, a

> farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba and took back

> whatever Baba gave back to him.

>

> Jesus in Bible:

>

> Matthew–6 : 19 to 22

> "Do not Lay up for yourselves, treasures on earth. But lay up for

> yourselves treasures in heaven. For where your treasure is there

> your heart will be also".

>

> Matthew -7: 21

> "Not everyone who say to Me, `Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of

> heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven".

>

> Holy Islam speaks about the sacrifice of fruit of work (money)

> through the word `Jakaat'. This word says that every rich man is

> expected to practice the sacrifice within the limit of his wealth.

> Islam says that people are loving too much the money (Q'ran:

> AalFajr – 20). Islam says that by sacrifice of money your wealth

> will not decrease and in fact your wealth increases by sacrifice.

> Islam also mentions that by sacrifice of money your wealth becomes

> most pure.

>

> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> > You Idiot disgrace on human society,

> > I had enough of Your nonsense.Only i paragraphi I have read as I

> dont want to read rest obscene rubbish. You rascal third grade

> creature abhorrable born to be kicked by pigs of the dirtiest

> gutter, what Do You mean by saying Lord Krishna did not say this or

> that. Are You secretary of Lord Krishna? Enough of lenience I had on

> You and Your donghi swami.

> > You dirtiest lost soul of the dark, read properly Chapter 6,of

> Gita, Slokas 11,12,13, 14 15,17,46. and then talk.

> > You dirtiest rat, next time You come on this Forum I will have no

> > choice but to put You and Your swami behind bars, for distorting

> religion and twisting the scriptures. And mind You. I can do it.

> > I have the connections till the highest in the government

> including the police in Your state.I will not spare You. This is the

> last warning. Dont appear again or else I will have You both beaten

> and put for the rest of Your lives behind bars, You rascals.

> > Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

>

> Prashantkumar G B

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dear friend

 

Now many of you are writing, the interpretations given sofar in the

form of divine messages are wrong. When you have alleged me like

that, i should definitely be given a chance to present my views in

this regard.

 

'Na'(no) is not present in front of 'Dhanena tyagenaike...', then

how come you have interpreted 'not by wealth'. Infact you have mis-

interpreted the statement.

 

The principle of grammar, which you have quoted must be understood

in proper sense. It says that the word used in one place can be

extended to other places if necessary. Ex:-Na Ramah, Lakshmanah,

Bharathah Agatah. This means that Rama, Lakshmana and Bharatha did

not come. The word `Na' is used at one place (Rama) and is extended

to the other places (Lakshmana and Bharatha). But the word `Na' is

used in two places, it cannot be extended to the third place. Ex:-

Na Ramah, Na Lakshmanah, Bharatah Agatah. This means that Rama and

Lakshmana did not come but Bharata came. Similarly in this Mantra

the word `Na' is used at two places (Karma, Praja). The word `Na'

cannot be extended to the thrid place (Dhanena) and to the fourth

place also (Tyagena).

 

What you said is also against to the logic, which is common sense.

Suppose you say "My thirst will not be pacified by drinking milk,

juice and buttermilk but it will be pacified only by drinking". Only

a mad fellow says so and the Lord who is the author of Veda is not a

mad fellow. The important point is that you should specify the item

by which your thirst can be pacified. That is the important point.

The items, which cannot pacify your thirst need not be stated at all

because that is not important. In your way of explanation the

important item is not mentioned. By sacrificing which item, one can

please the Lord? This is not stated which is the important point.

Therefore based on grammar and based on logic the meaning is that

the sacrifice of money alone can please the Lord. This point is told

in Veda else where also, which you cannot contradict. Veda

says "Tyakthena Bhunjeedhah Ma Gridhah Kasyasvit Dhanam." This

means "one should enjoy the minimum required money and if one stores

he becomes a theif. Whose money is all this? All this money belongs

to the Lord". Gita also emphasizes Karma Phala Tyaga. The word Karma

in the case of a human being is also limited to the earning of money

for maintenance as per Gita (Sareera Yatrapicha).

 

Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of food (a form of money)

only. Saibaba often asked for Gurudakshina to preach this main

spiritual concept. Vasistha says that the root of all the worldly

bonds is only money (Dhana moolamidam Jagath). The most important

Yantra or Chakra is `Sri Chakra'. Sri means money only. Sri Chakra

means the most important whirlpool, which obstructs the swimmer of

this world ocean. The real color comes out in the sacrifice of money

only. The bond with money (Dhaneshana) is responsible for the bonds

with wife (Dareshana) and Children (Putreshana). Unless such root

cause is cut, the salvation is impossible and therefore this Mantra

emphasizes original source point of the salvation.

 

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

"Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote:

> The Vedas say not by Karma, not by progeny, not by wealth is

Amrita (Brahman) known. Only through Tyaga, Brahman is known. Tyaga

of what is being pointed out? - Sri Surya says it is the tyaga of

wealth. Let us analyse it:

> It is clear that this person (Sri Surya) is not only

misrepresenting the Scriptures but also using the forum for

misinforming and creating confusion to those who haven't read them.

> I am also glad that almost all of the members have rejected his

> misrepresentation and I'd like to congratulate them. One small

message to Sri Bhaskar - that please do not get upset or angry at

such audacity shown by Sri Surya. Perhaps it is time for him to find

another guru.

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Shree Surya,

We know that you digested the essence of the three "Prasthanas"(or

Prasthantraya i.e. Gita, Upanishads & Brahmasutra)& also the essence

of 4 vedas.So, why do u waste your time, when u can c that your

blunt arrows cannot hurt us??

Why dont u open your group & use your knowledge over there..i think

that will be more profitable....

Actually our Sages were fools....they prescribed worshipping Gods,

while ignoring the public.I wish they have seen you.....

By mistake, they might have written, "Sarvam Khalvidam Brahma"....I

am really very sorry for u.....

Doing some social service is good...

Thanq

With humbleness,

Wish u all success,

 

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, "surya" <dattapr2000

wrote:

>

> dear friend

>

> Now many of you are writing, the interpretations given sofar in

the

> form of divine messages are wrong. When you have alleged me like

> that, i should definitely be given a chance to present my views in

> this regard.

>

> 'Na'(no) is not present in front of 'Dhanena tyagenaike...', then

> how come you have interpreted 'not by wealth'. Infact you have mis-

> interpreted the statement.

>

> The principle of grammar, which you have quoted must be understood

> in proper sense. It says that the word used in one place can be

> extended to other places if necessary. Ex:-Na Ramah, Lakshmanah,

> Bharathah Agatah. This means that Rama, Lakshmana and Bharatha did

> not come. The word `Na' is used at one place (Rama) and is

extended

> to the other places (Lakshmana and Bharatha). But the word `Na' is

> used in two places, it cannot be extended to the third place. Ex:-

> Na Ramah, Na Lakshmanah, Bharatah Agatah. This means that Rama and

> Lakshmana did not come but Bharata came. Similarly in this Mantra

> the word `Na' is used at two places (Karma, Praja). The word `Na'

> cannot be extended to the thrid place (Dhanena) and to the fourth

> place also (Tyagena).

>

> What you said is also against to the logic, which is common sense.

> Suppose you say "My thirst will not be pacified by drinking milk,

> juice and buttermilk but it will be pacified only by drinking".

Only

> a mad fellow says so and the Lord who is the author of Veda is not

a

> mad fellow. The important point is that you should specify the

item

> by which your thirst can be pacified. That is the important point.

> The items, which cannot pacify your thirst need not be stated at

all

> because that is not important. In your way of explanation the

> important item is not mentioned. By sacrificing which item, one

can

> please the Lord? This is not stated which is the important point.

> Therefore based on grammar and based on logic the meaning is that

> the sacrifice of money alone can please the Lord. This point is

told

> in Veda else where also, which you cannot contradict. Veda

> says "Tyakthena Bhunjeedhah Ma Gridhah Kasyasvit Dhanam." This

> means "one should enjoy the minimum required money and if one

stores

> he becomes a theif. Whose money is all this? All this money

belongs

> to the Lord". Gita also emphasizes Karma Phala Tyaga. The word

Karma

> in the case of a human being is also limited to the earning of

money

> for maintenance as per Gita (Sareera Yatrapicha).

>

> Saktuprastha was tested in the sacrifice of food (a form of money)

> only. Saibaba often asked for Gurudakshina to preach this main

> spiritual concept. Vasistha says that the root of all the worldly

> bonds is only money (Dhana moolamidam Jagath). The most important

> Yantra or Chakra is `Sri Chakra'. Sri means money only. Sri Chakra

> means the most important whirlpool, which obstructs the swimmer of

> this world ocean. The real color comes out in the sacrifice of

money

> only. The bond with money (Dhaneshana) is responsible for the

bonds

> with wife (Dareshana) and Children (Putreshana). Unless such root

> cause is cut, the salvation is impossible and therefore this

Mantra

> emphasizes original source point of the salvation.

>

> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

>

> "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology@> wrote:

> > The Vedas say not by Karma, not by progeny, not by wealth is

> Amrita (Brahman) known. Only through Tyaga, Brahman is known.

Tyaga

> of what is being pointed out? - Sri Surya says it is the tyaga of

> wealth. Let us analyse it:

> > It is clear that this person (Sri Surya) is not only

> misrepresenting the Scriptures but also using the forum for

> misinforming and creating confusion to those who haven't read them.

> > I am also glad that almost all of the members have rejected his

> > misrepresentation and I'd like to congratulate them. One small

> message to Sri Bhaskar - that please do not get upset or angry at

> such audacity shown by Sri Surya. Perhaps it is time for him to

find

> another guru.

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

>