Data used for the horoscope of Sri Krsna

August 2, 2006

Namaste friends,

So far I have read scriptural quotes that only refer to Sraavana month, Krishna paksha, Ashtami tithi, Rohini star, Taurus lagna etc. I have not read any scriptural references to various planetary positions in Sri Krishna's chart. This reference quoted from "Brahma Samhita" is the first such reference to a scripture.

If this is true, this is a HUGE new input! I am grateful to SanjayP for bringing this gem of an information to our notice.

When I did a quick search in 5400 BC-1000 BC, I could not locate any date when this planetary combination occurs.

However, it is possible that we are doing something wrong. For example, there could be errors in the ayanamsa. Or there could be a transformation needed in the co-ordinate system we use. We normally use the ecliptic plane of earth. Who knows, the correct plane to use for measuring longitudes may be different.

The information provided by SanjayP enables further research and I thank him for that. Meanwhile, if anybody having a copy of "Brahma Samhita" can confirm the quote, it will be greatly appreciated!

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

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> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Namaste Guruji,

> I just went back and refered to Kaalaprakaashika again, There Sri

> Narasimhaarya infact qoutes Brahmasamhita for Shree Jayanti, Lord Brahma

> says to Narada thus,

>

> brahmasaMhitaayaam

> brahmovaaca --

> shR^iNu vatsa pravakShyaami kR^iShNajanmadinotsavam .

> yatkR^itvaa sarvakaamaaMshca labhate maavaH sadaa .. 18 ..

> siMharaashigate suurye shraavaNe maasi naarada .

> kR^iShNapakShe samaaShTamyaaM budhavaare nishaardhake ..19 ..

> candre vR^iShabharaashisthe rohiNyaaM caramaaMshake .

> tathaa harShaNayoge ca kaulavena samanvite ..20 ..

> candrodayaM vR^iShe lagne karkaTe ca bR^ihaspatau .

> kaanyaayaa~nca budhe shukre tulaayaaM ca shanau sthite ..21..

> nakrage bhuumiputraM ca site raahau ca karkaTe .

> vasudevena devakyaaM jaGYe kR^iShNashcatubhujaH .. 22 ..

>

> If anybody has Brahmasamhita, Can you please verify if there is any mistakes

> in qoutes?. I think this is pretty much a strong reference given by the

> Author.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> On 7/31/06, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote:

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Dear Guruji,

> >

> > > I think that is not advisable. If we are using one ayanamsa then we

> should continue to use it for all purposes. We cannot use one ayanamsa for

> one chart and another for another chart and say that Jyotish that we do is

> right!

> >

> > Sanjay P: I got your point, Just to be sure that I made my thought

> > clear, I was not meaning to say that different people (i.e Lord

> > Krishna) should have different Ayanamsha, What I was saying the is

> > that different yuga may have 30 degree variation in calculated

> > Ayanamsha.

> > i.e Treta Yuga Ayanamsha - Kali Yuga Ayanamsha = 30 degree, this

> > thought came because you said , Yuga progesses reverse from Aries at

> > one sign per yuga. Hence My thought. Anyway I got the point that this

> > thought maybe inaccurate.

> >

> > Another question I had was in your Lord Krishna chart the given

> > coordinates fall in Gujarat, I thought Krishna's brith co-ordinates

> > should be near Yamuna, Mathura and relocated to Gujarat.

> >

> > This is what Google maps shows.

> >

> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=69.6+E+21.63N+&ie=UTF8&ll=21.647217,69.598389&spn=2.450601,5.537109&om=1

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > > Secondly the Sri Jayanti should be around a century before the begining

> of Kali Yuga which has been estimated at 3128 BC. So even if we allow for

> errors in dates by a few years, we should be searching in the range of 3300

> to 3200 BC.

> > >

> > > I took the Saturn & Jupiter positions and made the chart (I have done

> this earlier also before arrving at the chart I do now - Narasimha has done

> tremendous work on this searching for charts). The only option available

> for the data given by Sri Narasimhan Acharya is given below and positions

> of the nodes and some planets are quite off the mark. Lagnesa Venus is

> debilitated and there are some other combinations due to which I rejected

> this chart outright. Giving the data for your study.

> > >

> > > ----Narasimhan Acharya Krishna Chart (Actual date based on Saturn,

> Jupiter, Sun, Moon and Lagna) ----------

> > > Sri Krishna (-3229 BC)

> > >

> > > Natal Chart

> > >

> > > June 17, -3229

> > > Time: 11:45:00 pm

> > > Time Zone: 4:38:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 69 E 36' 00", 21 N 38' 00"

> > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > >

> > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Prajapati - Sravana

> > > Tithi: Krishna Navami (Su) (69.57% left)

> > > Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo)

> > > Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (13.84% left)

> > > Yoga: Harshana (Su) (25.06% left)

> > > Karana: Taitula (Me) (39.15% left)

> > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Aq)

> > > Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Cp)

> > > Kaala Lord: Moon (Mahakala: Saturn)

> > >

> > > Sunrise: 5:07:42 am

> > > Sunset: 6:35:55 pm

> > > Janma Ghatis: 46.5541

> > >

> > > Ayanamsa: 48-19-40.94

> > > Sidereal Time: 17:24:45

> > >

> > > ----------- Sanjay Rath Chart data for Sri Krishna Jayanti--------

> > > Sri Krishna (3228 BC)

> > >

> > > June 23, -3227

> > > Time: 11:45:00 pm

> > > Time Zone: 4:38:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 69 E 36' 00", 21 N 38' 00"

> > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > >

> > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Sreemukha - Sravana

> > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (Ra) (64.08% left)

> > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> > > Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (51.45% left)

> > > Yoga: Harshana (Su) (15.23% left)

> > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (28.16% left)

> > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cp)

> > > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Aq)

> > > Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Mars)

> > >

> > > Sunrise: 5:09:19 am

> > > Sunset: 6:38:18 pm

> > > Janma Ghatis: 46.4869

> > >

> > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39

> > >

> > > Sidereal Time: 17:50:26

> > > --------------

> > >

> > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > * * *

> > > Sri Jagannath Center®

> > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > > New Delhi 110060, India

> > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> >

> > > sohamsa [sohamsa] On

> Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran

> > >

> > > Monday, July 31, 2006 8:08 AM

> > >

> > > sohamsa

> > > Re: Re: Data used for the horoscope of Sri Krsna

> > >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > >

> > > Dear Guruji,

> > >

> > > Thank you! for the reality check. But I have few questions. Since I do

> not have immediate software I may have to ask you or someone who has it.

> > >

> > > I am sure you must have checked with all approximate values for

> Lahiri Ayanamsha. But, I was wondering can if the chart could be arrived by

> doing +/-30 degree to that value. My reasoning is based on your teaching

> that current Yuga is Capricorn, and yuga cycle goes in reverse. If

> Lord Krishna was born in Treta Yuga, then his its ruled by Aquarius, Hence

> I was wondering can we do a 30 degree (+/-) correction to get charts of

> Treta Yuga?.

> > >

> > > My thoughts may be wrong, please give me your direction.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> > >

> > > On 7/31/06, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote:

> > > >

> > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

> > > > Dear Sanjay P

> > > > There is NOT a single date between 2006AD and 21000 BC where this

> planetary formation occurs. Do you think Krishna appeared in this planet

> before Rama?

> > > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > * * *

> > > > Sri Jagannath Center®

> > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > > > New Delhi 110060, India

> > > > http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > sohamsa [sohamsa] On

> > Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran

> > > > Monday, July 31, 2006 6:55 AM

> > > > sohamsa

> > > > Re: Re: Data used for the horoscope of

> Sri Krsna

> > > >

> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > >

> > > > Kaalaprakaashika does not give the Navamsha, It just gives the

> Panchanga and Rashi positions. Since it's a book on Muhurtha mostly it

> focused more on Panchanga. But this is the only classics where I could

> find description of Lord Krishna's chart.

> > > >

> > > > I would be interested to know if somebody else found more details.

> I think Bhavatam does not give Planetary positions, Mostly the Lagna,

> Month and Nakshatra at birth is given.

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Sanjay P

> > > >

> > > > On 7/31/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Prabhakara,

> > > > >

> > > > > The chart given by you looks interesting. What's the birth

> data?

> > > > > Is the navamsa chart available?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa, "Sanjay Prabhakaran"

> > > > >

> > > > > <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > > Dear Robertji and Jyotishas,

> > > > > > I also read another chart for Lord Krishna in Shree Jayanti

> > > > > Chapter of

> > > > > > KaalaPrakshika of Narasimhan acharya. The details of the

> chart are

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > following link, Please give your opinion on this one too,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-jayanti.html

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Panchanga at Birth is

> > > > > > Nakshatra: Rohini 4th Pada

> > > > > > Karana: Kaulava

> > > > > > Yoga: Harshana

> > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (K8)

> > > > > > Vaara : Wednesday

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Taurus Lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > > Sanjay P

August 2, 2006

Dear Mr. Narasimha,

Lord Krishna appeared on this earth on 8th day of Krishna-pakchha and not on

8th tithi.This was according to the prevailing practise in that era.

Similarly Lord Rama descended on this earth on 9th day Sukla-pakchha.

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Namaste friends,

So far I have read scriptural quotes that only refer to Sraavana month, Krishna paksha, Ashtami tithi, Rohini star, Taurus lagna etc. I have not read any scriptural references to various planetary positions in Sri Krishna's chart. This reference quoted from "Brahma Samhita" is the first such reference to a scripture.

If this is true, this is a HUGE new input! I am grateful to SanjayP for bringing this gem of an information to our notice.

When I did a quick search in 5400 BC-1000 BC, I could not locate any date when this planetary combination occurs.

However, it is possible that we are doing something wrong. For example, there could be errors in the ayanamsa. Or there could be a transformation needed in the co-ordinate system we use. We normally use the ecliptic plane of earth. Who knows, the correct plane to use for measuring longitudes may be different.

The information provided by SanjayP enables further research and I thank him for that. Meanwhile, if anybody having a copy of "Brahma Samhita" can confirm the quote, it will be greatly appreciated!

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

-------------------------

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

-------------------------

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Namaste Guruji,

> I just went back and refered to Kaalaprakaashika again, There Sri

> Narasimhaarya infact qoutes Brahmasamhita for Shree Jayanti, Lord Brahma

> says to Narada thus,

>

> brahmasaMhitaayaam

> brahmovaaca --

> shR^iNu vatsa pravakShyaami kR^iShNajanmadinotsavam .

> yatkR^itvaa sarvakaamaaMshca labhate maavaH sadaa .. 18 ..

> siMharaashigate suurye shraavaNe maasi naarada .

> kR^iShNapakShe samaaShTamyaaM budhavaare nishaardhake ..19 ..

> candre vR^iShabharaashisthe rohiNyaaM caramaaMshake .

> tathaa harShaNayoge ca kaulavena samanvite ..20 ..

> candrodayaM vR^iShe lagne karkaTe ca bR^ihaspatau .

> kaanyaayaa~nca budhe shukre tulaayaaM ca shanau sthite ..21..

> nakrage bhuumiputraM ca site raahau ca karkaTe .

> vasudevena devakyaaM jaGYe kR^iShNashcatubhujaH .. 22 ..

>

> If anybody has Brahmasamhita, Can you please verify if there is any mistakes

> in qoutes?. I think this is pretty much a strong reference given by the

> Author.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> On 7/31/06, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote:

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Dear Guruji,

> >

> > > I think that is not advisable. If we are using one ayanamsa then we

> should continue to use it for all purposes. We cannot use one ayanamsa for

> one chart and another for another chart and say that Jyotish that we do is

> right!

> >

> > Sanjay P: I got your point, Just to be sure that I made my thought

> > clear, I was not meaning to say that different people (i.e Lord

> > Krishna) should have different Ayanamsha, What I was saying the is

> > that different yuga may have 30 degree variation in calculated

> > Ayanamsha.

> > i.e Treta Yuga Ayanamsha - Kali Yuga Ayanamsha = 30 degree, this

> > thought came because you said , Yuga progesses reverse from Aries at

> > one sign per yuga. Hence My thought. Anyway I got the point that this

> > thought maybe inaccurate.

> >

> > Another question I had was in your Lord Krishna chart the given

> > coordinates fall in Gujarat, I thought Krishna's brith co-ordinates

> > should be near Yamuna, Mathura and relocated to Gujarat.

> >

> > This is what Google maps shows.

> >

> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=69.6+E+21.63N+&ie=UTF8&ll=21.647217,69.598389&spn=2.450601,5.537109&om=1

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > > Secondly the Sri Jayanti should be around a century before the begining

> of Kali Yuga which has been estimated at 3128 BC. So even if we allow for

> errors in dates by a few years, we should be searching in the range of 3300

> to 3200 BC.

> > >

> > > I took the Saturn & Jupiter positions and made the chart (I have done

> this earlier also before arrving at the chart I do now - Narasimha has done

> tremendous work on this searching for charts). The only option available

> for the data given by Sri Narasimhan Acharya is given below and positions

> of the nodes and some planets are quite off the mark. Lagnesa Venus is

> debilitated and there are some other combinations due to which I rejected

> this chart outright. Giving the data for your study.

> > >

> > > ----Narasimhan Acharya Krishna Chart (Actual date based on Saturn,

> Jupiter, Sun, Moon and Lagna) ----------

> > > Sri Krishna (-3229 BC)

> > >

> > > Natal Chart

> > >

> > > June 17, -3229

> > > Time: 11:45:00 pm

> > > Time Zone: 4:38:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 69 E 36' 00", 21 N 38' 00"

> > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > >

> > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Prajapati - Sravana

> > > Tithi: Krishna Navami (Su) (69.57% left)

> > > Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo)

> > > Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (13.84% left)

> > > Yoga: Harshana (Su) (25.06% left)

> > > Karana: Taitula (Me) (39.15% left)

> > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Aq)

> > > Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Cp)

> > > Kaala Lord: Moon (Mahakala: Saturn)

> > >

> > > Sunrise: 5:07:42 am

> > > Sunset: 6:35:55 pm

> > > Janma Ghatis: 46.5541

> > >

> > > Ayanamsa: 48-19-40.94

> > > Sidereal Time: 17:24:45

> > >

> > > ----------- Sanjay Rath Chart data for Sri Krishna Jayanti--------

> > > Sri Krishna (3228 BC)

> > >

> > > June 23, -3227

> > > Time: 11:45:00 pm

> > > Time Zone: 4:38:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 69 E 36' 00", 21 N 38' 00"

> > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > >

> > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Sreemukha - Sravana

> > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (Ra) (64.08% left)

> > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> > > Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (51.45% left)

> > > Yoga: Harshana (Su) (15.23% left)

> > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (28.16% left)

> > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cp)

> > > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Aq)

> > > Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Mars)

> > >

> > > Sunrise: 5:09:19 am

> > > Sunset: 6:38:18 pm

> > > Janma Ghatis: 46.4869

> > >

> > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39

> > >

> > > Sidereal Time: 17:50:26

> > > --------------

> > >

> > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > * * *

> > > Sri Jagannath Center®

> > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > > New Delhi 110060, India

> > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> >

> > > sohamsa [sohamsa] On

> Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran

> > >

> > > Monday, July 31, 2006 8:08 AM

> > >

> > > sohamsa

> > > Re: Re: Data used for the horoscope of Sri Krsna

> > >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > >

> > > Dear Guruji,

> > >

> > > Thank you! for the reality check. But I have few questions. Since I do

> not have immediate software I may have to ask you or someone who has it.

> > >

> > > I am sure you must have checked with all approximate values for

> Lahiri Ayanamsha. But, I was wondering can if the chart could be arrived by

> doing +/-30 degree to that value. My reasoning is based on your teaching

> that current Yuga is Capricorn, and yuga cycle goes in reverse. If

> Lord Krishna was born in Treta Yuga, then his its ruled by Aquarius, Hence

> I was wondering can we do a 30 degree (+/-) correction to get charts of

> Treta Yuga?.

> > >

> > > My thoughts may be wrong, please give me your direction.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> > >

> > > On 7/31/06, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote:

> > > >

> > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

> > > > Dear Sanjay P

> > > > There is NOT a single date between 2006AD and 21000 BC where this

> planetary formation occurs. Do you think Krishna appeared in this planet

> before Rama?

> > > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > * * *

> > > > Sri Jagannath Center®

> > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > > > New Delhi 110060, India

> > > > http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > sohamsa [sohamsa] On

> > Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran

> > > > Monday, July 31, 2006 6:55 AM

> > > > sohamsa

> > > > Re: Re: Data used for the horoscope of

> Sri Krsna

> > > >

> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > >

> > > > Kaalaprakaashika does not give the Navamsha, It just gives the

> Panchanga and Rashi positions. Since it's a book on Muhurtha mostly it

> focused more on Panchanga. But this is the only classics where I could

> find description of Lord Krishna's chart.

> > > >

> > > > I would be interested to know if somebody else found more details.

> I think Bhavatam does not give Planetary positions, Mostly the Lagna,

> Month and Nakshatra at birth is given.

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Sanjay P

> > > >

> > > > On 7/31/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Prabhakara,

> > > > >

> > > > > The chart given by you looks interesting. What's the birth

> data?

> > > > > Is the navamsa chart available?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa, "Sanjay Prabhakaran"

> > > > >

> > > > > <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > > Dear Robertji and Jyotishas,

> > > > > > I also read another chart for Lord Krishna in Shree Jayanti

> > > > > Chapter of

> > > > > > KaalaPrakshika of Narasimhan acharya. The details of the

> chart are

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > following link, Please give your opinion on this one too,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-jayanti.html

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Panchanga at Birth is

> > > > > > Nakshatra: Rohini 4th Pada

> > > > > > Karana: Kaulava

> > > > > > Yoga: Harshana

> > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (K8)

> > > > > > Vaara : Wednesday

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Taurus Lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > > Sanjay P

August 2, 2006

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Narasimhaji,

Thank you, In fact we should thank Narasimhan of Kaalaprakaashika too. The

reference of Brahma Samhita is the main reason why I tend to lean on this

chart. Unfortunately I could not find Brahma Samhita reference, The only

translation popular (Gaudiya Math) contains only chapter five.

As for different co-ordinate system I felt the Base Nakshatra (Like

Fulcrum/Bench Mark etc). could be different for different yugas, We already

have references that 3 Nakshatra Cycle is used (Which is infact used in

KaalaChakra also),

I also felt that as per what Guruji said of Yuga cycle going reverse from

Aries, The Current chitra Paksha is infact Trines Capricorn. (Past reference

had been in Krittika, Magha etc). So the Ayanamsha could in infact be

refered from certain points depending on Yuga. I just want to know Guruji's

opinion.

These are some of my thoughts. I really was not able to picture "We normally

use the ecliptic plane of earth. Who knows, the correct plane to use for

measuring longitudes may be different.". I think are proposing some Non

linear (eclicptic) transformation to Ayanamsha?. Maybe I would need to draw

some diagrams to understand this.

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

On 8/1/06, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> So far I have read scriptural quotes that only refer to Sraavana month,

> Krishna paksha, Ashtami tithi, Rohini star, Taurus lagna etc. I have not

> read any scriptural references to various planetary positions in Sri

> Krishna's chart. This reference quoted from "Brahma Samhita" is the first

> such reference to a scripture.

>

> If this is true, this is a HUGE new input! I am grateful to SanjayP for

> bringing this gem of an information to our notice.

>

> When I did a quick search in 5400 BC-1000 BC, I could not locate any date

> when this planetary combination occurs.

>

> However, it is possible that we are doing something wrong. For example,

> there could be errors in the ayanamsa. Or there could be a transformation

> needed in the co-ordinate system we use. We normally use the ecliptic plane

> of earth. Who knows, the correct plane to use for measuring longitudes may

> be different.

>

> The information provided by SanjayP enables further research and I thank

> him for that. Meanwhile, if anybody having a copy of "Brahma Samhita" can

> confirm the quote, it will be greatly appreciated!

>

> Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------

>

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Namaste Guruji,

> > I just went back and refered to Kaalaprakaashika again, There Sri

> > Narasimhaarya infact qoutes Brahmasamhita for Shree Jayanti, Lord Brahma

> > says to Narada thus,

> >

> > brahmasaMhitaayaam

> > brahmovaaca --

> > shR^iNu vatsa pravakShyaami kR^iShNajanmadinotsavam .

> > yatkR^itvaa sarvakaamaaMshca labhate maavaH sadaa .. 18 ..

> > siMharaashigate suurye shraavaNe maasi naarada .

> > kR^iShNapakShe samaaShTamyaaM budhavaare nishaardhake ..19 ..

> > candre vR^iShabharaashisthe rohiNyaaM caramaaMshake .

> > tathaa harShaNayoge ca kaulavena samanvite ..20 ..

> > candrodayaM vR^iShe lagne karkaTe ca bR^ihaspatau .

> > kaanyaayaa~nca budhe shukre tulaayaaM ca shanau sthite ..21..

> > nakrage bhuumiputraM ca site raahau ca karkaTe .

> > vasudevena devakyaaM jaGYe kR^iShNashcatubhujaH .. 22 ..

> >

> > If anybody has Brahmasamhita, Can you please verify if there is any

> mistakes

> > in qoutes?. I think this is pretty much a strong reference given by the

> > Author.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

>

> >

> > On 7/31/06, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote:

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > >

> > > Dear Guruji,

> > >

> > > > I think that is not advisable. If we are using one ayanamsa then we

> > should continue to use it for all purposes. We cannot use one ayanamsa

> for

> > one chart and another for another chart and say that Jyotish that we do

> is

> > right!

> > >

> > > Sanjay P: I got your point, Just to be sure that I made my thought

> > > clear, I was not meaning to say that different people (i.e Lord

> > > Krishna) should have different Ayanamsha, What I was saying the is

> > > that different yuga may have 30 degree variation in calculated

> > > Ayanamsha.

> > > i.e Treta Yuga Ayanamsha - Kali Yuga Ayanamsha = 30 degree, this

> > > thought came because you said , Yuga progesses reverse from Aries at

> > > one sign per yuga. Hence My thought. Anyway I got the point that this

> > > thought maybe inaccurate.

> > >

> > > Another question I had was in your Lord Krishna chart the given

> > > coordinates fall in Gujarat, I thought Krishna's brith co-ordinates

> > > should be near Yamuna, Mathura and relocated to Gujarat.

> > >

> > > This is what Google maps shows.

> > >

> >

> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=69.6+E+21.63N+&ie=UTF8&ll=21.647217,69.598389&spn=2.450601,5.537109&om=1

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> > >

> > > > Secondly the Sri Jayanti should be around a century before the

> begining

> > of Kali Yuga which has been estimated at 3128 BC. So even if we allow

> for

> > errors in dates by a few years, we should be searching in the range of

> 3300

> > to 3200 BC.

> > > >

> > > > I took the Saturn & Jupiter positions and made the chart (I have

> done

> > this earlier also before arrving at the chart I do now - Narasimha has

> done

> > tremendous work on this searching for charts). The only option available

> > for the data given by Sri Narasimhan Acharya is given below and

> positions

> > of the nodes and some planets are quite off the mark. Lagnesa Venus is

> > debilitated and there are some other combinations due to which I

> rejected

> > this chart outright. Giving the data for your study.

> > > >

> > > > ----Narasimhan Acharya Krishna Chart (Actual date based on Saturn,

> > Jupiter, Sun, Moon and Lagna) ----------

> > > > Sri Krishna (-3229 BC)

> > > >

> > > > Natal Chart

> > > >

> > > > June 17, -3229

> > > > Time: 11:45:00 pm

> > > > Time Zone: 4:38:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 69 E 36' 00", 21 N 38' 00"

>

> > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > >

> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Prajapati - Sravana

> > > > Tithi: Krishna Navami (Su) (69.57% left)

> > > > Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo)

> > > > Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (13.84% left)

> > > > Yoga: Harshana (Su) (25.06% left)

> > > > Karana: Taitula (Me) (39.15% left)

> > > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Aq)

> > > > Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Cp)

> > > > Kaala Lord: Moon (Mahakala: Saturn)

> > > >

> > > > Sunrise: 5:07:42 am

> > > > Sunset: 6:35:55 pm

> > > > Janma Ghatis: 46.5541

> > > >

> > > > Ayanamsa: 48-19-40.94

> > > > Sidereal Time: 17:24:45

> > > >

> > > > ----------- Sanjay Rath Chart data for Sri Krishna Jayanti--------

> > > > Sri Krishna (3228 BC)

> > > >

> > > > June 23, -3227

> > > > Time: 11:45:00 pm

> > > > Time Zone: 4:38:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 69 E 36' 00", 21 N 38' 00"

>

> > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > >

> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Sreemukha - Sravana

> > > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (Ra) (64.08% left)

> > > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> > > > Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (51.45% left)

> > > > Yoga: Harshana (Su) (15.23% left)

> > > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (28.16% left)

> > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cp)

> > > > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Aq)

> > > > Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Mars)

> > > >

> > > > Sunrise: 5:09:19 am

> > > > Sunset: 6:38:18 pm

> > > > Janma Ghatis: 46.4869

> > > >

> > > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39

> > > >

> > > > Sidereal Time: 17:50:26

> > > > --------------

> > > >

> > > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > * * *

> > > > Sri Jagannath Center®

> > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > > > New Delhi 110060, India

> > > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> [

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40>] On

> > Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran

> > > >

> > > > Monday, July 31, 2006 8:08 AM

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > > Re: Re: Data used for the horoscope of Sri Krsna

> > > >

> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Guruji,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you! for the reality check. But I have few questions. Since I

> do

> > not have immediate software I may have to ask you or someone who has it.

> > > >

> > > > I am sure you must have checked with all approximate values for

> > Lahiri Ayanamsha. But, I was wondering can if the chart could be arrived

> by

> > doing +/-30 degree to that value. My reasoning is based on your teaching

> > that current Yuga is Capricorn, and yuga cycle goes in reverse. If

> > Lord Krishna was born in Treta Yuga, then his its ruled by Aquarius,

> Hence

> > I was wondering can we do a 30 degree (+/-) correction to get charts of

> > Treta Yuga?.

> > > >

> > > > My thoughts may be wrong, please give me your direction.

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Sanjay P

>

> > > >

> > > > On 7/31/06, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

> > > > > Dear Sanjay P

> > > > > There is NOT a single date between 2006AD and 21000 BC where this

> > planetary formation occurs. Do you think Krishna appeared in this planet

> > before Rama?

> > > > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > > * * *

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Center®

> > > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > > > > New Delhi 110060, India

> > > > > http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> [

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40>] On

> > > Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran

> > > > > Monday, July 31, 2006 6:55 AM

> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > Re: Re: Data used for the horoscope of

> > Sri Krsna

> > > > >

> > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kaalaprakaashika does not give the Navamsha, It just gives the

> > Panchanga and Rashi positions. Since it's a book on Muhurtha mostly it

> > focused more on Panchanga. But this is the only classics where I could

> > find description of Lord Krishna's chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would be interested to know if somebody else found more details.

> > I think Bhavatam does not give Planetary positions, Mostly the Lagna,

> > Month and Nakshatra at birth is given.

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > Sanjay P

> > > > >

> > > > > On 7/31/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Prabhakara,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The chart given by you looks interesting. What's the birth

> > data?

> > > > > > Is the navamsa chart available?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>,

> "Sanjay Prabhakaran"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > > > Dear Robertji and Jyotishas,

> > > > > > > I also read another chart for Lord Krishna in Shree Jayanti

> > > > > > Chapter of

> > > > > > > KaalaPrakshika of Narasimhan acharya. The details of the

> > chart are

> > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > following link, Please give your opinion on this one too,

> > > > > > >

> http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-jayanti.html

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Panchanga at Birth is

> > > > > > > Nakshatra: Rohini 4th Pada

> > > > > > > Karana: Kaulava

> > > > > > > Yoga: Harshana

> > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (K8)

> > > > > > > Vaara : Wednesday

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Taurus Lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > > > Sanjay P

>

August 2, 2006

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Narasimhaji,

". Or there could be a transformation needed in the co-ordinate system we

use. We normally use the ecliptic plane of earth. Who knows, the correct

plane to use for measuring longitudes may be different"

I just remembered, Even Dr. B.V Raman had said something similar ( I will

have to go thru all his books to quote).

If I Understood him correctly, He said that depending on the

Sphuta(Longitude) of the graha there may be some small correction needed.

Actually the correction depends on Bhuja (Arm degree). (Bhuja defined as

nearest degree distance of either of 0 degree Aries or 0 degree Libra).

Let me explain as I understood, If the Graha is in 0 degree aries (or I

think Krittika) or 180 degree away, 0 deg Libra, the correction to ayamshas

is Zero, If it's midpoint 90 degree i.e 0 degree Cancer the correction will

be maximum.

So that is the 2nd form of correction I could think upon. To summarise,

1) Correction to Ayanamsha depending on Yuga, By changing the reference

point in zodiac.

2) Correction to Ayanamsha of Graha depending on Bhuja

If (2) is correct then it should be applicable even in current charts.

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

On 8/1/06, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> So far I have read scriptural quotes that only refer to Sraavana month,

> Krishna paksha, Ashtami tithi, Rohini star, Taurus lagna etc. I have not

> read any scriptural references to various planetary positions in Sri

> Krishna's chart. This reference quoted from "Brahma Samhita" is the first

> such reference to a scripture.

>

> If this is true, this is a HUGE new input! I am grateful to SanjayP for

> bringing this gem of an information to our notice.

>

> When I did a quick search in 5400 BC-1000 BC, I could not locate any date

> when this planetary combination occurs.

>

> However, it is possible that we are doing something wrong. For example,

> there could be errors in the ayanamsa. Or there could be a transformation

> needed in the co-ordinate system we use. We normally use the ecliptic plane

> of earth. Who knows, the correct plane to use for measuring longitudes may

> be different.

>

> The information provided by SanjayP enables further research and I thank

> him for that. Meanwhile, if anybody having a copy of "Brahma Samhita" can

> confirm the quote, it will be greatly appreciated!

>

> Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------

>

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Namaste Guruji,

> > I just went back and refered to Kaalaprakaashika again, There Sri

> > Narasimhaarya infact qoutes Brahmasamhita for Shree Jayanti, Lord Brahma

> > says to Narada thus,

> >

> > brahmasaMhitaayaam

> > brahmovaaca --

> > shR^iNu vatsa pravakShyaami kR^iShNajanmadinotsavam .

> > yatkR^itvaa sarvakaamaaMshca labhate maavaH sadaa .. 18 ..

> > siMharaashigate suurye shraavaNe maasi naarada .

> > kR^iShNapakShe samaaShTamyaaM budhavaare nishaardhake ..19 ..

> > candre vR^iShabharaashisthe rohiNyaaM caramaaMshake .

> > tathaa harShaNayoge ca kaulavena samanvite ..20 ..

> > candrodayaM vR^iShe lagne karkaTe ca bR^ihaspatau .

> > kaanyaayaa~nca budhe shukre tulaayaaM ca shanau sthite ..21..

> > nakrage bhuumiputraM ca site raahau ca karkaTe .

> > vasudevena devakyaaM jaGYe kR^iShNashcatubhujaH .. 22 ..

> >

> > If anybody has Brahmasamhita, Can you please verify if there is any

> mistakes

> > in qoutes?. I think this is pretty much a strong reference given by the

> > Author.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

>

> >

> > On 7/31/06, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote:

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > >

> > > Dear Guruji,

> > >

> > > > I think that is not advisable. If we are using one ayanamsa then we

> > should continue to use it for all purposes. We cannot use one ayanamsa

> for

> > one chart and another for another chart and say that Jyotish that we do

> is

> > right!

> > >

> > > Sanjay P: I got your point, Just to be sure that I made my thought

> > > clear, I was not meaning to say that different people (i.e Lord

> > > Krishna) should have different Ayanamsha, What I was saying the is

> > > that different yuga may have 30 degree variation in calculated

> > > Ayanamsha.

> > > i.e Treta Yuga Ayanamsha - Kali Yuga Ayanamsha = 30 degree, this

> > > thought came because you said , Yuga progesses reverse from Aries at

> > > one sign per yuga. Hence My thought. Anyway I got the point that this

> > > thought maybe inaccurate.

> > >

> > > Another question I had was in your Lord Krishna chart the given

> > > coordinates fall in Gujarat, I thought Krishna's brith co-ordinates

> > > should be near Yamuna, Mathura and relocated to Gujarat.

> > >

> > > This is what Google maps shows.

> > >

> >

> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=69.6+E+21.63N+&ie=UTF8&ll=21.647217,69.598389&spn=2.450601,5.537109&om=1

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> > >

> > > > Secondly the Sri Jayanti should be around a century before the

> begining

> > of Kali Yuga which has been estimated at 3128 BC. So even if we allow

> for

> > errors in dates by a few years, we should be searching in the range of

> 3300

> > to 3200 BC.

> > > >

> > > > I took the Saturn & Jupiter positions and made the chart (I have

> done

> > this earlier also before arrving at the chart I do now - Narasimha has

> done

> > tremendous work on this searching for charts). The only option available

> > for the data given by Sri Narasimhan Acharya is given below and

> positions

> > of the nodes and some planets are quite off the mark. Lagnesa Venus is

> > debilitated and there are some other combinations due to which I

> rejected

> > this chart outright. Giving the data for your study.

> > > >

> > > > ----Narasimhan Acharya Krishna Chart (Actual date based on Saturn,

> > Jupiter, Sun, Moon and Lagna) ----------

> > > > Sri Krishna (-3229 BC)

> > > >

> > > > Natal Chart

> > > >

> > > > June 17, -3229

> > > > Time: 11:45:00 pm

> > > > Time Zone: 4:38:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 69 E 36' 00", 21 N 38' 00"

>

> > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > >

> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Prajapati - Sravana

> > > > Tithi: Krishna Navami (Su) (69.57% left)

> > > > Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo)

> > > > Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (13.84% left)

> > > > Yoga: Harshana (Su) (25.06% left)

> > > > Karana: Taitula (Me) (39.15% left)

> > > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Aq)

> > > > Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Cp)

> > > > Kaala Lord: Moon (Mahakala: Saturn)

> > > >

> > > > Sunrise: 5:07:42 am

> > > > Sunset: 6:35:55 pm

> > > > Janma Ghatis: 46.5541

> > > >

> > > > Ayanamsa: 48-19-40.94

> > > > Sidereal Time: 17:24:45

> > > >

> > > > ----------- Sanjay Rath Chart data for Sri Krishna Jayanti--------

> > > > Sri Krishna (3228 BC)

> > > >

> > > > June 23, -3227

> > > > Time: 11:45:00 pm

> > > > Time Zone: 4:38:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 69 E 36' 00", 21 N 38' 00"

>

> > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > >

> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Sreemukha - Sravana

> > > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (Ra) (64.08% left)

> > > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> > > > Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (51.45% left)

> > > > Yoga: Harshana (Su) (15.23% left)

> > > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (28.16% left)

> > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cp)

> > > > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Aq)

> > > > Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Mars)

> > > >

> > > > Sunrise: 5:09:19 am

> > > > Sunset: 6:38:18 pm

> > > > Janma Ghatis: 46.4869

> > > >

> > > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39

> > > >

> > > > Sidereal Time: 17:50:26

> > > > --------------

> > > >

> > > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > * * *

> > > > Sri Jagannath Center®

> > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > > > New Delhi 110060, India

> > > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> [

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40>] On

> > Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran

> > > >

> > > > Monday, July 31, 2006 8:08 AM

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > > Re: Re: Data used for the horoscope of Sri Krsna

> > > >

> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Guruji,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you! for the reality check. But I have few questions. Since I

> do

> > not have immediate software I may have to ask you or someone who has it.

> > > >

> > > > I am sure you must have checked with all approximate values for

> > Lahiri Ayanamsha. But, I was wondering can if the chart could be arrived

> by

> > doing +/-30 degree to that value. My reasoning is based on your teaching

> > that current Yuga is Capricorn, and yuga cycle goes in reverse. If

> > Lord Krishna was born in Treta Yuga, then his its ruled by Aquarius,

> Hence

> > I was wondering can we do a 30 degree (+/-) correction to get charts of

> > Treta Yuga?.

> > > >

> > > > My thoughts may be wrong, please give me your direction.

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Sanjay P

>

> > > >

> > > > On 7/31/06, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

> > > > > Dear Sanjay P

> > > > > There is NOT a single date between 2006AD and 21000 BC where this

> > planetary formation occurs. Do you think Krishna appeared in this planet

> > before Rama?

> > > > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > > * * *

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Center®

> > > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > > > > New Delhi 110060, India

> > > > > http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> [

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40>] On

> > > Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran

> > > > > Monday, July 31, 2006 6:55 AM

> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > Re: Re: Data used for the horoscope of

> > Sri Krsna

> > > > >

> > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kaalaprakaashika does not give the Navamsha, It just gives the

> > Panchanga and Rashi positions. Since it's a book on Muhurtha mostly it

> > focused more on Panchanga. But this is the only classics where I could

> > find description of Lord Krishna's chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would be interested to know if somebody else found more details.

> > I think Bhavatam does not give Planetary positions, Mostly the Lagna,

> > Month and Nakshatra at birth is given.

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > Sanjay P

> > > > >

> > > > > On 7/31/06, B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Prabhakara,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The chart given by you looks interesting. What's the birth

> > data?

> > > > > > Is the navamsa chart available?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>,

> "Sanjay Prabhakaran"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > > > > Dear Robertji and Jyotishas,

> > > > > > > I also read another chart for Lord Krishna in Shree Jayanti

> > > > > > Chapter of

> > > > > > > KaalaPrakshika of Narasimhan acharya. The details of the

> > chart are

> > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > following link, Please give your opinion on this one too,

> > > > > > >

> http://sanjayprabhakaran.blogspot.com/2005/11/shree-jayanti.html

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Panchanga at Birth is

> > > > > > > Nakshatra: Rohini 4th Pada

> > > > > > > Karana: Kaulava

> > > > > > > Yoga: Harshana

> > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (K8)

> > > > > > > Vaara : Wednesday

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Taurus Lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Warm Regards

> > > > > > > Sanjay P

>

August 2, 2006

Dear Sanjay,

Please just call me Narasimha.

> These are some of my thoughts. I really was not able to picture "We normally

> use the ecliptic plane of earth. Who knows, the correct plane to use for

> measuring longitudes may be different.". I think are proposing some Non

> linear (eclicptic) transformation to Ayanamsha?. Maybe I would need to draw

> some diagrams to understand this.

To find planetary longitudes, we need to define two things:

(1) a 2-D plane onto which the 3-D positions of planets are projected, and,

(2) a zero degree point defined in that 2-D plane.

The issue of ayanamsa addresses (2). But (1) above is a different issue.

Normally, the 2-D plane used is the ecliptic plane. Ecliptic plane is basically the orbital plane of earth around Sun. However, earth's orbit around Sun keeps wobbling slowly. Thus, the ecliptic plane keeps changing slightly as time passes. So, we need to define (1) based on the ecliptic plane of a *specific date*.

Instead of using a plane that keeps wobbling from time to time, it is possible to define a plane that does not wobble.

An example is the mean ecliptic (like mean nodes). Instead of taking the ecliptic plane of a particular day, we can take the averages of all ecliptic planes of all days and project the planetary positions onto that plane.

Another possibility is to take the plane in which the entire solar system rotates around a distant center (Vishnu Nabhi). This plane is close to the ecliptic plane, but has a slight angle. For example, compared to the J2000 plane (ecliptic plane from 2000 Jan 1)m which is normally used when finding tropical co-ordinates, this plane has an angle of aobut one and half degrees.

Because of this tilt, when planetary positions are projected onto this plane, longitudes may change a little. This is not just a matter of ayanamsa changing a little and all planetary longitudes all changing similarly. This is a matter of transformation of planetary longitudes. Some longitudes may increase and some may decrease.

There are possibilities that need further investigation. Vedic astrologers will do well to realize that some new findings related to the co-ordinate system used in measuring sidereal planetary longitudes may impact super-fine researches like nadyamsas and ardha-nadyamsas and historical charts like Sri Krishna's.

* * *

BTW, Tattvamasi, I caught your mail, but not sure of the place of timezone. Please give the data more clearly. Also, the native is just a baby and we probably don't know much to verify. What area of life are you interested in?

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

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> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Narasimhaji,

>

> Thank you, In fact we should thank Narasimhan of Kaalaprakaashika too. The

> reference of Brahma Samhita is the main reason why I tend to lean on this

> chart. Unfortunately I could not find Brahma Samhita reference, The only

> translation popular (Gaudiya Math) contains only chapter five.

>

> As for different co-ordinate system I felt the Base Nakshatra (Like

> Fulcrum/Bench Mark etc). could be different for different yugas, We already

> have references that 3 Nakshatra Cycle is used (Which is infact used in

> KaalaChakra also),

>

> I also felt that as per what Guruji said of Yuga cycle going reverse from

> Aries, The Current chitra Paksha is infact Trines Capricorn. (Past reference

> had been in Krittika, Magha etc). So the Ayanamsha could in infact be

> refered from certain points depending on Yuga. I just want to know Guruji's

> opinion.

>

> These are some of my thoughts. I really was not able to picture "We normally

> use the ecliptic plane of earth. Who knows, the correct plane to use for

> measuring longitudes may be different.". I think are proposing some Non

> linear (eclicptic) transformation to Ayanamsha?. Maybe I would need to draw

> some diagrams to understand this.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> On 8/1/06, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:

> >

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > So far I have read scriptural quotes that only refer to Sraavana month,

> > Krishna paksha, Ashtami tithi, Rohini star, Taurus lagna etc. I have not

> > read any scriptural references to various planetary positions in Sri

> > Krishna's chart. This reference quoted from "Brahma Samhita" is the first

> > such reference to a scripture.

> >

> > If this is true, this is a HUGE new input! I am grateful to SanjayP for

> > bringing this gem of an information to our notice.

> >

> > When I did a quick search in 5400 BC-1000 BC, I could not locate any date

> > when this planetary combination occurs.

> >

> > However, it is possible that we are doing something wrong. For example,

> > there could be errors in the ayanamsa. Or there could be a transformation

> > needed in the co-ordinate system we use. We normally use the ecliptic plane

> > of earth. Who knows, the correct plane to use for measuring longitudes may

> > be different.

> >

> > The information provided by SanjayP enables further research and I thank

> > him for that. Meanwhile, if anybody having a copy of "Brahma Samhita" can

> > confirm the quote, it will be greatly appreciated!

> >

> > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------

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> > -------------------------

> >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > >

> > > Namaste Guruji,

> > > I just went back and refered to Kaalaprakaashika again, There Sri

> > > Narasimhaarya infact qoutes Brahmasamhita for Shree Jayanti, Lord Brahma

> > > says to Narada thus,

> > >

> > > brahmasaMhitaayaam

> > > brahmovaaca --

> > > shR^iNu vatsa pravakShyaami kR^iShNajanmadinotsavam .

> > > yatkR^itvaa sarvakaamaaMshca labhate maavaH sadaa .. 18 ..

> > > siMharaashigate suurye shraavaNe maasi naarada .

> > > kR^iShNapakShe samaaShTamyaaM budhavaare nishaardhake ..19 ..

> > > candre vR^iShabharaashisthe rohiNyaaM caramaaMshake .

> > > tathaa harShaNayoge ca kaulavena samanvite ..20 ..

> > > candrodayaM vR^iShe lagne karkaTe ca bR^ihaspatau .

> > > kaanyaayaa~nca budhe shukre tulaayaaM ca shanau sthite ..21..

> > > nakrage bhuumiputraM ca site raahau ca karkaTe .

> > > vasudevena devakyaaM jaGYe kR^iShNashcatubhujaH .. 22 ..

> > >

> > > If anybody has Brahmasamhita, Can you please verify if there is any

> > mistakes

> > > in qoutes?. I think this is pretty much a strong reference given by the

> > > Author.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards

> > > Sanjay P

> >

> > >

> > > On 7/31/06, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:

> > > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Guruji,

> > > >

> > > > > I think that is not advisable. If we are using one ayanamsa then we

> > > should continue to use it for all purposes. We cannot use one ayanamsa

> > for

> > > one chart and another for another chart and say that Jyotish that we do

> > is

> > > right!

> > > >

> > > > Sanjay P: I got your point, Just to be sure that I made my thought

> > > > clear, I was not meaning to say that different people (i.e Lord

> > > > Krishna) should have different Ayanamsha, What I was saying the is

> > > > that different yuga may have 30 degree variation in calculated

> > > > Ayanamsha.

> > > > i.e Treta Yuga Ayanamsha - Kali Yuga Ayanamsha = 30 degree, this

> > > > thought came because you said , Yuga progesses reverse from Aries at

> > > > one sign per yuga. Hence My thought. Anyway I got the point that this

> > > > thought maybe inaccurate.

> > > >

> > > > Another question I had was in your Lord Krishna chart the given

> > > > coordinates fall in Gujarat, I thought Krishna's brith co-ordinates

> > > > should be near Yamuna, Mathura and relocated to Gujarat.

> > > >

> > > > This is what Google maps shows.

> > > >

> > >

> > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=69.6+E+21.63N+&ie=UTF8&ll=21.647217,69.598389&spn=2.450601,5.537109&om=1

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Sanjay P

> > > >

> > > > > Secondly the Sri Jayanti should be around a century before the

> > begining

> > > of Kali Yuga which has been estimated at 3128 BC. So even if we allow

> > for

> > > errors in dates by a few years, we should be searching in the range of

> > 3300

> > > to 3200 BC.

> > > > >

> > > > > I took the Saturn & Jupiter positions and made the chart (I have

> > done

> > > this earlier also before arrving at the chart I do now - Narasimha has

> > done

> > > tremendous work on this searching for charts). The only option available

> > > for the data given by Sri Narasimhan Acharya is given below and

> > positions

> > > of the nodes and some planets are quite off the mark. Lagnesa Venus is

> > > debilitated and there are some other combinations due to which I

> > rejected

> > > this chart outright. Giving the data for your study.

> > > > >

> > > > > ----Narasimhan Acharya Krishna Chart (Actual date based on Saturn,

> > > Jupiter, Sun, Moon and Lagna) ----------

> > > > > Sri Krishna (-3229 BC)

> > > > >

> > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > >

> > > > > June 17, -3229

> > > > > Time: 11:45:00 pm

> > > > > Time Zone: 4:38:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 69 E 36' 00", 21 N 38' 00"

> >

> > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > >

> > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Prajapati - Sravana

> > > > > Tithi: Krishna Navami (Su) (69.57% left)

> > > > > Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo)

> > > > > Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (13.84% left)

> > > > > Yoga: Harshana (Su) (25.06% left)

> > > > > Karana: Taitula (Me) (39.15% left)

> > > > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Aq)

> > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Cp)

> > > > > Kaala Lord: Moon (Mahakala: Saturn)

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunrise: 5:07:42 am

> > > > > Sunset: 6:35:55 pm

> > > > > Janma Ghatis: 46.5541

> > > > >

> > > > > Ayanamsa: 48-19-40.94

> > > > > Sidereal Time: 17:24:45

> > > > >

> > > > > ----------- Sanjay Rath Chart data for Sri Krishna Jayanti--------

> > > > > Sri Krishna (3228 BC)

> > > > >

> > > > > June 23, -3227

> > > > > Time: 11:45:00 pm

> > > > > Time Zone: 4:38:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 69 E 36' 00", 21 N 38' 00"

> >

> > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > >

> > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Sreemukha - Sravana

> > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (Ra) (64.08% left)

> > > > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> > > > > Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (51.45% left)

> > > > > Yoga: Harshana (Su) (15.23% left)

> > > > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (28.16% left)

> > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cp)

> > > > > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Aq)

> > > > > Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Mars)

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunrise: 5:09:19 am

> > > > > Sunset: 6:38:18 pm

> > > > > Janma Ghatis: 46.4869

> > > > >

> > > > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39

> > > > >

> > > > > Sidereal Time: 17:50:26

> > > > > --------------

> > > > >

> > > > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > > Sanjay Rath

August 5, 2006

Dear Narasimha,

I have checked my copy of Brahma-samhita, and the quoted verses do not

come from this scripture, however they may be somewhere in another

scripture, as well as ascribed to some lost parts of it perhaps. Yet

verses 18-22 of the Brahma-samhita do not describe planetary positions for

Krsna's birth.

I was reading a book by Sidharth just lately, who mentions the sun eclipse

of June 24, -1311 as the one that occurred during the Kuruksetra war.

Might be, but this eclipse happened in Cancer, and we know Bhisma left

this world only few days after the war when the Sun entered Capricorn. So

that's also dubious.

Well, I guess we'll never know, or we need to discover some real reference

somewhere. I was also reading Sri Yukteshwar's opinion on ayanamsa lately.

Interesting, but then the age of Kali according to him is only 2400 years

long, but then in the Bhagavata Purana the dynasties of Kali yuga are

described and I counted something like 4800 years there.

Ys,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

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