Idol Worship 2/8

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SURYA,

u r loosing ur direction here one hand it was `idol worship', now rituals of-course in past several others like bringing the non existent interpretation of Islamic, Christian after life concepts etc.

HERE in the current post u r contradicting urself more and may be please sit and meditate longer and get back.

IDOLS are a medium like a vehicle ONCE u r sure of the form within u can dispense with it with the mantra diksha, upasana u can create, touch, fondle, pray the deity better as all are in 3D of human MANAS THE BIG SCREEN within us.

RITUALS u talk of 3 sacred souls who had no children, FAMILIES, and who can do what they did, and if by ur line all do it we will not have this discussion or forum no population growth itself NO CIVILISATION no life at all we may be another MARS soon.

the RITUALS R FOR THE SAMSARA ashram, what u r talking of is of the Vanaspatha ashram where u need not worry on food, shelter, clothing etc nature takes care and u take care of nature too,

PLEAS FOCUS ON preserving tradition, values and some forms else may professions suffer, work is also worship

for a sculpturers, marketing stalls, the householder, the flower girls, the agarbathi industry, dhoopa, deepa in short.

and a healthy pass time at the worst , unlike Pubs, bars, cinemas, discos what not. pleases spend time in these places and bring some sense to those, here all of us at some moderate levels have faith, we r neither on moral high ground or in the base gutters, we r just human trying to rise both spiritually, morally professionally.

GOD BLESS U.

 

surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: your quotation of movie and a scene that was made by human beings has

got zero relevance in spirituality. human beings can write any script

and conclude in any way. It is just useless. Human beings,

politicians, famous personalities and such people cannot be authority

for divine knowledge. Lord in human form is the only authority. Take

the case of swami vivekananda or shankara or Meera who are real

devotees and they did not do such things as your hero of the movie,

ashok kumar did. they are real saints. everybody wearing saffron is

not a saint.Hanuman did not wear any saffron but is a true saint.

When householder dies the rituals are performed and the cow is donated

(Godaana). This proves that a householder certainly goes to the hell

because the cow is donated to help the householder to cross a river of

blood and pus called Vaitarini flowing in the path of the hell. But

when a saint dies these rituals are not done and the cow is not

donated. The tradition itself proves that the householder who is doing

all the rituals, worshipping the statues and doing Gayatri Mantra is

going to the hell. A saint is not doing any one of these things and is

doing only the propagation of divine knowledge. A saint does not mean

removing the cross belt and putting the saffron cloth. The quaky

uniform of an actor cannot make him a police. A police is valid while

doing his duty even in mufti dress. Therefore a saint is He who works

for the propagation of the knowledge. The rituals consist of two

parts. 1) Prayers to the Lord 2) Sacrifice of fruit of work in the

form of money to the deserving people.

Prayers will give satisfaction and peace. The practical sacrifice will

bring the fruit from the Lord. When a person is not doing these two

things while he is alive, he is not getting anything when His son does

these things after his death. The son will get the fruits and not the

father or mother who died. Therefore one should pray the Lord while he

is alive and get the peace and satisfaction. Similarly one should

sacrifice the fruit of his work (food and money) to deserving people

while he is alive. The food offered by the son will not reach the dead

person. The Lord has made all the arrangements for food in the upper

world. Even for a jailed person the government arranges food. The Lord

will certainly arrange the food to all the souls present in all the

worlds. The threat of giving food to the parents who died was given so

that a greedy person is forced to do these rituals. But there is no

truth in such threat. A person who did these things while he is alive

does not aspire either for sons or for such rituals. Sankara,

Vivekananda, Meera etc., who participated in the propagation of divine

knowledge and devotion did not have children and they never bothered

about such rituals. Their path is the path of knowledge (Archiraadi

Marga) as said in Gila (Ekayaa Yatya naa Vrittim). It is said that

such people do not need such rituals "Nahi tena Pathaa Tanuthyajah,

Tanaya Varjita Pinda Kankshinah" i.e., the people in the path of the

service of the Lord do not require the son and such rituals after

death. A person must be wise to pray the Lord and to donate a

deserving person, while he is alive he should not depend on his sons

for this after his death. In that unhappy moment the sons will not be

able to get a proper deserving person to receive the fruit of the work

(money and food). When they sacrifice the fruit to the undeserving

persons, sin is purchased by the donation of food and money. Therefore

it is better to do the donation while one is alive by searching a

proper deserving person who can be the human incarnation of Lord or at

least a great devotee of the Lord. If this real aim of the rituals is

not understood, performing the rituals after the death are simply a

waste, which are done as a formality. In such rituals the priests are

reciting the hymns without knowing their meanings like tape recorders.

The concept of prayer is completely lost in such recitation. When you

donate to such undeserving tape recorders you cannot get the real

fruit and you will get the sin in such rituals. If one has prayed the

Lord and donated to the most deserving person while he is alive such

rituals are not necessary for him after his death.

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

surya

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Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> Dear Surya ji

> see, the priorities and religious rituals for sanyasi and sansarik

is different; and all religions prescribe different norms for both.

You can not or rather should not assume that sansarik human being

(grasth) can be asked with the same yard sticks.

>

> Tulsidas ji ne kaha ki - sansarik prani ram nam lene se hi acchi

gati pa sakta hi; jabki, sadhu ko tapasya karni padto hi.

>

> I must quote you a famous movie "chitra lekha" starrring pradeep

kumar and mina kumari.

> regards / Prafulla Gang

 

 

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