A question about the philosophy behind wearing gemstones!

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Arjunji,

 

I am attaching my two cents and a question really to your recent

posting but that does not mean that I am necessarily asking this

question for you to address, primarily. It is a general post and

question. All may respond and enlighten me and hopefully other

members too.

 

****************

I have asked this before, not just here, and I have looked for

directions in classics on jyotish but never really convincingly found

recommendations that wearing a gemstone will fix the problems posed

by a planet or will appease it. The gemstones are mentioned but I

always assumed that it was not about 'wearing' those but

rather 'donating' those to others. Like rich folks and Kings and

Superkings (maharajas and Chakravarthis) did in the glorious past of

India.

 

When did the donation become 'acquisition and wearing'?

 

I think it is an interesting arrangement since no loss or absolute

expenditure is involved but rather an investement! All gemstones are

going to inflate in cost and grow in their worth! Something does not

seem right there.

 

Now, I realize there are subtle aspects about vibrations and so on

that may play a role into this healing power of gems through wearing

or consuming the pishtis and so on.

 

If donation of a gemstone is truly the way to appease the planetary

deva, perhaps acquisition and wearing is actually going the opposite

way since it is not the loss (12) but gain (11) of the gemstone and

the energies or vibrations it represents.

 

Does this make sense, fellow astrologers?

 

RR

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear haizen

>

> vedas and all ancient classics clearly spelt what you mentioned in

> the second that daan is the dharma of kaliyuga and if anyone wish

to

> gain punyam (merit) it can be done by daan.

>

> because of this reason, i slightly disagree with lalkitab where it

> prohibits donation of certain goods saying that by doing so the

> concerned planet would become weak. but i personally preach and

> practice that any donation or offering does not get any backlash or

> negative reaction.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

> (world wide web is like a mayajaal. everything looks virtually

> real, yet unreal).

>

>

> , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello K. Gopu,

> >

> > I would answer your question in two parts:

> >

> > (1) The wearing of a gem for the lagna lord is said to

> > fortify that planet's ability to handle any aspect from

> > an unfavorable planet. But in my view, the malefic

> > qualities of an unfavorable planet are not necessarily

> > reduced. (Why should they be unless that troublesome

> > planet is dealt with directly?) What I believe happens is

> > that the lagna lord is better able to handle the challenges

> > of the unfavorable planet because it is stronger and works

> > more efficiently. But strengthening the lord is only one side

> > of the issue.

> >

> > (2) To directly reduce the troublesome influence of an

> > unfavorable planet--a functional malefic or Rahu and Ketu

> > --a separate action in the form of charities or propitiations

> > are considered helpful according to the nature of the

> > unfavorable planet.

> >

> > Usually Step 1 is done without Step 2, but I consider both

> > important and recommend them to the people I work with.

> > This is a better way to go because nothing is neglected and

> > it's a complete planetary remedy.

> >

> > These same principles can be applied to the use of mantras

> > to strengthen or neutralize planetary energies, or to the use

> > of colors, such as wearing more of the favorable ones and

> > avoiding those that are unfavorable. Inexpensive gems have

> > little or no power, and one shouldn't have to go bankrupt to

> > harness the highest frequencies of certain planetary energies

> > or to neutralize their harmful effects.

> >

> > One astrologer's opinion.

> >

> > Best wishes, Haizen

> >

> >

> >

> > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear Mr.haizen,

> > > I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

> > > know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

> > > being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

> > > an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

> > > malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

> > > the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

> > > aspect of an unfavourable planet?

> > >

> > > k.gopu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bharat Bhai,

 

This being a public Forum, excuse me for coming in. But coming

to support views only.

Yes,giving minus ego is going to give the best results, and

actually benefic results.

My own example- A year back,every Saturday for few saturdays I

continued giving food packets to poor people outside temple.

The intentions were good, no ego was there,initially, maybe not

afterwards too, but what happened....

Ever Saturday when reaching temple all poor people,children

used to croud around me before I could enter the temple,

waiting for me to open my bag. This happened again for couple of

Saturdays. Eventually going to temple for darshan became secondary,

but this crowding around me starting giving me a high, and the

result of course was unintended Ego boosting., and

when next Saturday approached again the high used to occur.

When I realised what was happening to me , I immediately

stopped giving a single packet, suffered for few saturdays,

when could not give anything to these poor,but my decesion

was firm, I was not going to allow the Ego to overcome,

and now the state is such that when I go to the temple no

one knows me,or know that nothing will come from here,

except for a old lady beggar who acknowledges me sweetly,

and I too sweetly part with Rs. 1 or 2- No ego feeding

more than that I allow myself. Not that she would care

for this paltry sum, but affections develop.

 

So what You mentioned I agree.

 

Regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

<hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Rohini

>

> This is a question that bothered me for a long time. The resolution

of the

> same may not come completely unless we have a method of finding out

the

> exact effects of gemstones. There is currently no scientific

instrument to

> do so, atleast to my know-how.

>

> You may still read the following:

> One wears a gemstone of a particular planet to increase its energy

upon

> oneself. This is generally the unquestioned belief. Some believe

that the

> Gemstone is pervaded by a deity. Some believe that the light given

out

> appeases the graha (as you are aware an Emerald gives out Green

Light and

> therefore, appeases the graha). Some believe that the gemstone

alters the

> aura (read pranas) and therefore, benefits us. I am sure there will

be more

> reasons but the important point is that they do have an effect.

>

> Everything in Universe is alive and it has small or big effects on

each one

> of us. Even to an extent, a plant is kept in your room, there will

be a

> profound effect on you. The problem is that one cannot measure its

effects.

>

> Now to your question - Why should we not donate the gemstones for

the

> benefic planets? The logic used here is that one may give what is

due and

> not give what is not due. "Malefic" is a word given to those grahas

which

> are not giving us what we want. Generally the belief is that these

grahas

> act as badhas and pose dangers to us, because we owe something in

karma to

> their significations. To give what we owe, seems like the correct

thing to

> do. So one gives.

>

> The "benefic" planets are there so because of the karmic giving.

Since that

> is learnt, it is likely to continue whether the gemstone is given

or not. I

> have no reasons to believe that giving a gemstone of a benefic is

going to

> harm the native.

>

> I have very different views upon Giving too. Many may disagree. For

me,

> Giving is "not giving". It should just flow as naturally as

possible. Else,

> giving can give a great boost to ego. Grahas are directing us

towards a

> least resistance "path" to Godhead, we are the ones resisting and

that makes

> for Grahas to be "good or bad". Giving with that ego sense is not

going to

> appease any Graha or lead to a least resistance "path".

>

> I hope I have not added to the confusion.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> On 7/31/06, crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

> >

> > Arjunji,

> >

> > I am attaching my two cents and a question really to your recent

> > posting but that does not mean that I am necessarily asking this

> > question for you to address, primarily. It is a general post and

> > question. All may respond and enlighten me and hopefully other

> > members too.

> >

> > ****************

> > I have asked this before, not just here, and I have looked for

> > directions in classics on jyotish but never really convincingly

found

> > recommendations that wearing a gemstone will fix the problems

posed

> > by a planet or will appease it. The gemstones are mentioned but I

> > always assumed that it was not about 'wearing' those but

> > rather 'donating' those to others. Like rich folks and Kings and

> > Superkings (maharajas and Chakravarthis) did in the glorious past

of

> > India.

> >

> > When did the donation become 'acquisition and wearing'?

> >

> > I think it is an interesting arrangement since no loss or absolute

> > expenditure is involved but rather an investement! All gemstones

are

> > going to inflate in cost and grow in their worth! Something does

not

> > seem right there.

> >

> > Now, I realize there are subtle aspects about vibrations and so on

> > that may play a role into this healing power of gems through

wearing

> > or consuming the pishtis and so on.

> >

> > If donation of a gemstone is truly the way to appease the

planetary

> > deva, perhaps acquisition and wearing is actually going the

opposite

> > way since it is not the loss (12) but gain (11) of the gemstone

and

> > the energies or vibrations it represents.

> >

> > Does this make sense, fellow astrologers?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > <%

40>,

> > "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear haizen

> > >

> > > vedas and all ancient classics clearly spelt what you mentioned

in

> > > the second that daan is the dharma of kaliyuga and if anyone

wish

> > to

> > > gain punyam (merit) it can be done by daan.

> > >

> > > because of this reason, i slightly disagree with lalkitab where

it

> > > prohibits donation of certain goods saying that by doing so the

> > > concerned planet would become weak. but i personally preach and

> > > practice that any donation or offering does not get any

backlash or

> > > negative reaction.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > pandit arjun

> > > (world wide web is like a mayajaal. everything looks virtually

> > > real, yet unreal).

> > >

> > >

> > > <%

40>, "haizen" <haizen@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello K. Gopu,

> > > >

> > > > I would answer your question in two parts:

> > > >

> > > > (1) The wearing of a gem for the lagna lord is said to

> > > > fortify that planet's ability to handle any aspect from

> > > > an unfavorable planet. But in my view, the malefic

> > > > qualities of an unfavorable planet are not necessarily

> > > > reduced. (Why should they be unless that troublesome

> > > > planet is dealt with directly?) What I believe happens is

> > > > that the lagna lord is better able to handle the challenges

> > > > of the unfavorable planet because it is stronger and works

> > > > more efficiently. But strengthening the lord is only one side

> > > > of the issue.

> > > >

> > > > (2) To directly reduce the troublesome influence of an

> > > > unfavorable planet--a functional malefic or Rahu and Ketu

> > > > --a separate action in the form of charities or propitiations

> > > > are considered helpful according to the nature of the

> > > > unfavorable planet.

> > > >

> > > > Usually Step 1 is done without Step 2, but I consider both

> > > > important and recommend them to the people I work with.

> > > > This is a better way to go because nothing is neglected and

> > > > it's a complete planetary remedy.

> > > >

> > > > These same principles can be applied to the use of mantras

> > > > to strengthen or neutralize planetary energies, or to the use

> > > > of colors, such as wearing more of the favorable ones and

> > > > avoiding those that are unfavorable. Inexpensive gems have

> > > > little or no power, and one shouldn't have to go bankrupt to

> > > > harness the highest frequencies of certain planetary energies

> > > > or to neutralize their harmful effects.

> > > >

> > > > One astrologer's opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes, Haizen

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>, K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear Mr.haizen,

> > > > > I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

> > > > > know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

> > > > > being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

> > > > > an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

> > > > > malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

> > > > > the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

> > > > > aspect of an unfavourable planet?

> > > > >

> > > > > k.gopu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bharat ji,

 

Until giving begins to feel like sharing, such as with one's best

friend or with a brother, its remedial potency remains dormant!

 

RR

 

, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

<hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Rohini

>

> This is a question that bothered me for a long time. The resolution

of the

> same may not come completely unless we have a method of finding out

the

> exact effects of gemstones. There is currently no scientific

instrument to

> do so, atleast to my know-how.

>

> You may still read the following:

> One wears a gemstone of a particular planet to increase its energy

upon

> oneself. This is generally the unquestioned belief. Some believe

that the

> Gemstone is pervaded by a deity. Some believe that the light given

out

> appeases the graha (as you are aware an Emerald gives out Green

Light and

> therefore, appeases the graha). Some believe that the gemstone

alters the

> aura (read pranas) and therefore, benefits us. I am sure there will

be more

> reasons but the important point is that they do have an effect.

>

> Everything in Universe is alive and it has small or big effects on

each one

> of us. Even to an extent, a plant is kept in your room, there will

be a

> profound effect on you. The problem is that one cannot measure its

effects.

>

> Now to your question - Why should we not donate the gemstones for

the

> benefic planets? The logic used here is that one may give what is

due and

> not give what is not due. "Malefic" is a word given to those grahas

which

> are not giving us what we want. Generally the belief is that these

grahas

> act as badhas and pose dangers to us, because we owe something in

karma to

> their significations. To give what we owe, seems like the correct

thing to

> do. So one gives.

>

> The "benefic" planets are there so because of the karmic giving.

Since that

> is learnt, it is likely to continue whether the gemstone is given

or not. I

> have no reasons to believe that giving a gemstone of a benefic is

going to

> harm the native.

>

> I have very different views upon Giving too. Many may disagree. For

me,

> Giving is "not giving". It should just flow as naturally as

possible. Else,

> giving can give a great boost to ego. Grahas are directing us

towards a

> least resistance "path" to Godhead, we are the ones resisting and

that makes

> for Grahas to be "good or bad". Giving with that ego sense is not

going to

> appease any Graha or lead to a least resistance "path".

>

> I hope I have not added to the confusion.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> On 7/31/06, crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

> >

> > Arjunji,

> >

> > I am attaching my two cents and a question really to your recent

> > posting but that does not mean that I am necessarily asking this

> > question for you to address, primarily. It is a general post and

> > question. All may respond and enlighten me and hopefully other

> > members too.

> >

> > ****************

> > I have asked this before, not just here, and I have looked for

> > directions in classics on jyotish but never really convincingly

found

> > recommendations that wearing a gemstone will fix the problems

posed

> > by a planet or will appease it. The gemstones are mentioned but I

> > always assumed that it was not about 'wearing' those but

> > rather 'donating' those to others. Like rich folks and Kings and

> > Superkings (maharajas and Chakravarthis) did in the glorious past

of

> > India.

> >

> > When did the donation become 'acquisition and wearing'?

> >

> > I think it is an interesting arrangement since no loss or absolute

> > expenditure is involved but rather an investement! All gemstones

are

> > going to inflate in cost and grow in their worth! Something does

not

> > seem right there.

> >

> > Now, I realize there are subtle aspects about vibrations and so on

> > that may play a role into this healing power of gems through

wearing

> > or consuming the pishtis and so on.

> >

> > If donation of a gemstone is truly the way to appease the

planetary

> > deva, perhaps acquisition and wearing is actually going the

opposite

> > way since it is not the loss (12) but gain (11) of the gemstone

and

> > the energies or vibrations it represents.

> >

> > Does this make sense, fellow astrologers?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > <%

40>,

> > "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear haizen

> > >

> > > vedas and all ancient classics clearly spelt what you mentioned

in

> > > the second that daan is the dharma of kaliyuga and if anyone

wish

> > to

> > > gain punyam (merit) it can be done by daan.

> > >

> > > because of this reason, i slightly disagree with lalkitab where

it

> > > prohibits donation of certain goods saying that by doing so the

> > > concerned planet would become weak. but i personally preach and

> > > practice that any donation or offering does not get any

backlash or

> > > negative reaction.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > pandit arjun

> > > (world wide web is like a mayajaal. everything looks virtually

> > > real, yet unreal).

> > >

> > >

> > > <%

40>, "haizen" <haizen@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello K. Gopu,

> > > >

> > > > I would answer your question in two parts:

> > > >

> > > > (1) The wearing of a gem for the lagna lord is said to

> > > > fortify that planet's ability to handle any aspect from

> > > > an unfavorable planet. But in my view, the malefic

> > > > qualities of an unfavorable planet are not necessarily

> > > > reduced. (Why should they be unless that troublesome

> > > > planet is dealt with directly?) What I believe happens is

> > > > that the lagna lord is better able to handle the challenges

> > > > of the unfavorable planet because it is stronger and works

> > > > more efficiently. But strengthening the lord is only one side

> > > > of the issue.

> > > >

> > > > (2) To directly reduce the troublesome influence of an

> > > > unfavorable planet--a functional malefic or Rahu and Ketu

> > > > --a separate action in the form of charities or propitiations

> > > > are considered helpful according to the nature of the

> > > > unfavorable planet.

> > > >

> > > > Usually Step 1 is done without Step 2, but I consider both

> > > > important and recommend them to the people I work with.

> > > > This is a better way to go because nothing is neglected and

> > > > it's a complete planetary remedy.

> > > >

> > > > These same principles can be applied to the use of mantras

> > > > to strengthen or neutralize planetary energies, or to the use

> > > > of colors, such as wearing more of the favorable ones and

> > > > avoiding those that are unfavorable. Inexpensive gems have

> > > > little or no power, and one shouldn't have to go bankrupt to

> > > > harness the highest frequencies of certain planetary energies

> > > > or to neutralize their harmful effects.

> > > >

> > > > One astrologer's opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes, Haizen

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>, K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear Mr.haizen,

> > > > > I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

> > > > > know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

> > > > > being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

> > > > > an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

> > > > > malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

> > > > > the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

> > > > > aspect of an unfavourable planet?

> > > > >

> > > > > k.gopu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > > > >

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>

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