Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Dear Rishi, You must have seen those spots during your travel where someone found a stone, painted it red and it became a shrine for Bajrangbali! In my younger days, I used to smile at these as I rode the bus in madhya pradesh. The stone effigies and icons looked alike and I can hardly recall any of those in details some thirty-forty years later, today. Strangely, I can vividly recall even today the faces and expressions in the eyes of the devotees that I fleetingly passed by at times and at others had the privilege to observe longer and closely, without knowing what exactly I was observing and capturing on the harddrive or CCD between my ears! The human being has this uncanny power of capturing reality within its mind and then projecting it out as the perceived reality. Think for a moment. We are really like jet-pilots in a cockpit that has all kinds of scopes and gauges and transducers and sensors. We think we do, but none of us really touches or perceives truly the 'reality'. When you touch a succulent orange, see its colours, smell its tantalizing aroma, then slice it and enjoy its taste and fragrance -- you - whatever this *you* represents is being experienced vicariously, by proxy. Your sensors are experiencing the reality that you think you are experiencing, these 'reporters' then send their messages to the control-room (brain) where the electrical bips and blips are perceived as reality. Such is the grandness of the illusion that we begin thinking that <we> actually experience reality. Only when the sensors go out of commission for one reason or another (could be as simple as a cold which throws off our sense of smell, or blindness, or numbness, or paralysis etc) that we realize that our direct perception of reality was not direct. The reality did not change, only our perception did! The heart senses God and divinity. Given our lifelong conditioning through experiencing reality, ALL reality through our senses, we try to create images and effigies, and icons. Why should that be so unusual? This iconization of inner reality manifests in many other forms, some more down to earth! The posters of their favorite sportsmen, their favorite singers or film starts by young people all over the globe. Even 'emancipated' <gone beyond religion superstition! > communist countries parade with greater than lifesize pictures of their leaders and inspired statesmen (Their gods!) and throngs of millions surround and pay homage to PHYSICAL sacred spots after enduring a difficult journey, year after year! Are they not worshiping an ICON? What difference does it make whether it is a human figure, a cross, an edifice or just a star or another object? The only way to get rid of our inherent icon-idol worshipping human nature can start only after we rid ourselves of all senses. That is what meditation is supposed to be all about. Burning effigies, killing others who worship idols or different idols will only pollute the environment more, physically, mentally and spiritually! Ever heard of properly done meditation killing anyone? RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Friends, > Suryaji is blessed for he has found his own path, very few of us get > so fortunate to be so committed to be able to walk on one path > without deviating from within and without. > However, he is not discussing with any of us, he is simply telling > us of his path and according to him the best path, if not, the only > path. > > regards > > rishi > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > > > The problem in discussing matters with you is that you put words and > > sentences even when noone has spoken or written them. Did I mention > anything > > about what to offer as sacrifice, etc? If you are keen on giving > long > > lectures without anyone's asking, it is fine with me. I was just > wondering > > how come Lord Krishna never spoke a word of Bhagavad Gita to > Arjuna, before > > he asked for it. After all, Lord Krishna was related to Arjuna and > lived > > with him for many years prior to the Mahabharata war. > > > > It looks like that you may have a different view of when to speak > and when > > not to. > > > > However, coming to your self proclaimed topic - If one has > devotion, he/she > > is free to express it in any way he/she likes. To call one method > foolish to > > the other, is foolishness. For you stone is unconscious - for > others stone > > is not a stone but the Lord itself. One sees the Jadam and the > other the > > Supreme Being. One sees food is wasted, the other see it consumed > by the > > expression of the Lord. > > > > In other words, do not try to assume superiority of "your" methods. > Let Lord > > decide that. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/17/06, surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > > Even if you treat the Lord as the statue in your prayer room, > stop > > > all these traditional foolish activity and be real. Since the > statue > > > cannot eat the food, don't offer the food. Since the statue is not > > > having life, don't put flowers, don't lit the oil lamp when the > > > light is present, don't burn the fume sticks and camphor, don't > > > break the coconut etc., You see the beauty of the Lord in the > statue > > > or photo and fix your eyes. Develop attraction and love. Remember > > > His qualities. > > > > > > If there is darkness, lit the lamp. To remove the darkness, only > oil > > > lamp is not needed. The alternative electric light is there. Avoid > > > the oil lamp in order to avoid the pollution. If you want good > > > smell, burn the fume stick. Burning the camphor has no use and > > > moreover it causes pollution. To satisfy your vision you can > > > decorate the statue with flowers. What ever you do, you do for > your > > > self-satisfaction, which is the fruit for all your actions. You > can > > > offer the food to the statue, but it is for your satisfaction only > > > and don't expect any extra fruit from the Lord. You can break the > > > coconut before the Lord and offer the broken pieces of coconut to > > > the Lord. But you are eating the coconut. Don't ask the Lord for > any > > > fruit for breaking the coconut. Therefore you can do all these > > > things before statues and photos with a divine feeling as if you > are > > > offering to the Lord. Your feeling is definitely better than the > > > feeling of an atheist. But what I say is that by such feelings you > > > have attained peace, satisfaction and happiness in your mind. > Please > > > do not ask anything from the Lord because your sacrifice is not a > > > real practical sacrifice. It is only the sacrifice of your words > and > > > feelings. This is not wrong as far as you don't ask for any fruit > > > for such actions. Once you ask the fruit from the Lord for such > > > sacrifice of words and feelings, all those rituals become fooling > > > the Lord. > > > > > > I am not against the rituals but I am against you if you say that > > > you have practically sacrificed to the Lord through those rituals > > > and if you ask for some real fruit from the Lord. By all these > > > things you have obtained peace and happiness in your heart. Very > > > good! Be satisfied with that fruit. Don't boast that you have > > > sacrificed something to the Lord and therefore don't expect any > > > fruit from the Lord. If you say that you have sacrificed to the > Lord > > > by these rituals, which are only sacrifice of words and feelings, > > > you are the biggest actor and all your rituals are the dramatic > > > actions. > > > > > > If you want to sacrifice really to the Lord, search for the human > > > form of the Lord, with the help of Veda and do any little > sacrifice, > > > what ever you can. In such sacrifice if you aspire anything in > > > return, you will get the fruit, which is just equal to your > > > sacrifice. If you sacrifice one rupee, He will give you one > > > chocolate. If you sacrifice two rupees, He will give you two > > > chocolates. Let the business be justified. Don't expect ten > > > chocolates for one rupee. But if you are not aspiring any fruit > for > > > your sacrifice, which is the real love similar to the real love > > > shown to your children, then the Lord will give you infinite real > > > fruit in a proper place at the appropriate time. Since you are not > > > aspiring for the fruit, you leave the right place and right time > to > > > the decision of the Lord. > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > surya > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > Till date, I haven't seen any person pray to an idol. All I have > > > seen is people pray to God. I am yet to meet a single person who > > > goes in front of a picture or a stone and says - "Hey Stone!". > > > Recognition of the Lord in one and everything, is divine. This is > > > what Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa showed Sri Narendranath. > > > > > > > > I reserve my further comments on your writings about Srimad > > > Bhagavad Geeta. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Dear RRji in most parts of delhi and surrounding areas, construction of a makeshift temple with a small stone painted in red as hanuman or some shivling or some other statue is the first step to grab the government land. soon with public donations a big temple will be built and spans overs several acres. then they construct several shops all around the temple and either sell or rent them. this is the case with many temples, mosques, gurudwaras and other holy places of worship. delhi's shahdara area has a unique case where the land grabbers were so friendly that to strenghten the case of land grabbing, they built a huge temple, a mosque and a gurudwara all in juxtaposition so that the government dare not demolish them. unfortunately, this is expected in kaliyug and we cannot reform this social practice. with best wishes pandit arjun (love begets love, hate begets hate) , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Rishi, > > You must have seen those spots during your travel where someone found > a stone, painted it red and it became a shrine for Bajrangbali! In my > younger days, I used to smile at these as I rode the bus in madhya > pradesh. The stone effigies and icons looked alike and I can hardly > recall any of those in details some thirty-forty years later, today. > Strangely, I can vividly recall even today the faces and expressions > in the eyes of the devotees that I fleetingly passed by at times and > at others had the privilege to observe longer and closely, without > knowing what exactly I was observing and capturing on the harddrive > or CCD between my ears! > > The human being has this uncanny power of capturing reality within > its mind and then projecting it out as the perceived reality. > > Think for a moment. We are really like jet-pilots in a cockpit that > has all kinds of scopes and gauges and transducers and sensors. We > think we do, but none of us really touches or perceives truly > the 'reality'. When you touch a succulent orange, see its colours, > smell its tantalizing aroma, then slice it and enjoy its taste and > fragrance -- you - whatever this *you* represents is being > experienced vicariously, by proxy. Your sensors are experiencing the > reality that you think you are experiencing, these 'reporters' then > send their messages to the control-room (brain) where the electrical > bips and blips are perceived as reality. Such is the grandness of the > illusion that we begin thinking that <we> actually experience reality. > > Only when the sensors go out of commission for one reason or another > (could be as simple as a cold which throws off our sense of smell, or > blindness, or numbness, or paralysis etc) that we realize that our > direct perception of reality was not direct. The reality did not > change, only our perception did! > > The heart senses God and divinity. Given our lifelong conditioning > through experiencing reality, ALL reality through our senses, we try > to create images and effigies, and icons. Why should that be so > unusual? This iconization of inner reality manifests in many other > forms, some more down to earth! The posters of their favorite > sportsmen, their favorite singers or film starts by young people all > over the globe. Even 'emancipated' <gone beyond religion superstition! > > communist countries parade with greater than lifesize pictures of > their leaders and inspired statesmen (Their gods!) and throngs of > millions surround and pay homage to PHYSICAL sacred spots after > enduring a difficult journey, year after year! Are they not > worshiping an ICON? What difference does it make whether it is a > human figure, a cross, an edifice or just a star or another object? > > The only way to get rid of our inherent icon-idol worshipping human > nature can start only after we rid ourselves of all senses. That is > what meditation is supposed to be all about. Burning effigies, > killing others who worship idols or different idols will only pollute > the environment more, physically, mentally and spiritually! > > Ever heard of properly done meditation killing anyone? > > RR > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Friends, > > Suryaji is blessed for he has found his own path, very few of us > get > > so fortunate to be so committed to be able to walk on one path > > without deviating from within and without. > > However, he is not discussing with any of us, he is simply telling > > us of his path and according to him the best path, if not, the only > > path. > > > > regards > > > > rishi > > > > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > > > > > The problem in discussing matters with you is that you put words > and > > > sentences even when noone has spoken or written them. Did I > mention > > anything > > > about what to offer as sacrifice, etc? If you are keen on giving > > long > > > lectures without anyone's asking, it is fine with me. I was just > > wondering > > > how come Lord Krishna never spoke a word of Bhagavad Gita to > > Arjuna, before > > > he asked for it. After all, Lord Krishna was related to Arjuna > and > > lived > > > with him for many years prior to the Mahabharata war. > > > > > > It looks like that you may have a different view of when to speak > > and when > > > not to. > > > > > > However, coming to your self proclaimed topic - If one has > > devotion, he/she > > > is free to express it in any way he/she likes. To call one method > > foolish to > > > the other, is foolishness. For you stone is unconscious - for > > others stone > > > is not a stone but the Lord itself. One sees the Jadam and the > > other the > > > Supreme Being. One sees food is wasted, the other see it consumed > > by the > > > expression of the Lord. > > > > > > In other words, do not try to assume superiority of "your" > methods. > > Let Lord > > > decide that. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/17/06, surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Even if you treat the Lord as the statue in your prayer room, > > stop > > > > all these traditional foolish activity and be real. Since the > > statue > > > > cannot eat the food, don't offer the food. Since the statue is > not > > > > having life, don't put flowers, don't lit the oil lamp when the > > > > light is present, don't burn the fume sticks and camphor, don't > > > > break the coconut etc., You see the beauty of the Lord in the > > statue > > > > or photo and fix your eyes. Develop attraction and love. > Remember > > > > His qualities. > > > > > > > > If there is darkness, lit the lamp. To remove the darkness, > only > > oil > > > > lamp is not needed. The alternative electric light is there. > Avoid > > > > the oil lamp in order to avoid the pollution. If you want good > > > > smell, burn the fume stick. Burning the camphor has no use and > > > > moreover it causes pollution. To satisfy your vision you can > > > > decorate the statue with flowers. What ever you do, you do for > > your > > > > self-satisfaction, which is the fruit for all your actions. You > > can > > > > offer the food to the statue, but it is for your satisfaction > only > > > > and don't expect any extra fruit from the Lord. You can break > the > > > > coconut before the Lord and offer the broken pieces of coconut > to > > > > the Lord. But you are eating the coconut. Don't ask the Lord > for > > any > > > > fruit for breaking the coconut. Therefore you can do all these > > > > things before statues and photos with a divine feeling as if > you > > are > > > > offering to the Lord. Your feeling is definitely better than the > > > > feeling of an atheist. But what I say is that by such feelings > you > > > > have attained peace, satisfaction and happiness in your mind. > > Please > > > > do not ask anything from the Lord because your sacrifice is not > a > > > > real practical sacrifice. It is only the sacrifice of your > words > > and > > > > feelings. This is not wrong as far as you don't ask for any > fruit > > > > for such actions. Once you ask the fruit from the Lord for such > > > > sacrifice of words and feelings, all those rituals become > fooling > > > > the Lord. > > > > > > > > I am not against the rituals but I am against you if you say > that > > > > you have practically sacrificed to the Lord through those > rituals > > > > and if you ask for some real fruit from the Lord. By all these > > > > things you have obtained peace and happiness in your heart. Very > > > > good! Be satisfied with that fruit. Don't boast that you have > > > > sacrificed something to the Lord and therefore don't expect any > > > > fruit from the Lord. If you say that you have sacrificed to the > > Lord > > > > by these rituals, which are only sacrifice of words and > feelings, > > > > you are the biggest actor and all your rituals are the dramatic > > > > actions. > > > > > > > > If you want to sacrifice really to the Lord, search for the > human > > > > form of the Lord, with the help of Veda and do any little > > sacrifice, > > > > what ever you can. In such sacrifice if you aspire anything in > > > > return, you will get the fruit, which is just equal to your > > > > sacrifice. If you sacrifice one rupee, He will give you one > > > > chocolate. If you sacrifice two rupees, He will give you two > > > > chocolates. Let the business be justified. Don't expect ten > > > > chocolates for one rupee. But if you are not aspiring any fruit > > for > > > > your sacrifice, which is the real love similar to the real love > > > > shown to your children, then the Lord will give you infinite > real > > > > fruit in a proper place at the appropriate time. Since you are > not > > > > aspiring for the fruit, you leave the right place and right > time > > to > > > > the decision of the Lord. > > > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > surya > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > Till date, I haven't seen any person pray to an idol. All I > have > > > > seen is people pray to God. I am yet to meet a single person who > > > > goes in front of a picture or a stone and says - "Hey Stone!". > > > > Recognition of the Lord in one and everything, is divine. This > is > > > > what Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa showed Sri Narendranath. > > > > > > > > > > I reserve my further comments on your writings about Srimad > > > > Bhagavad Geeta. > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > RELISH THE > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Arjun ji, Hah! Talk about covering all the bases! (in your multi-religion example!) As I read your signature, it occurred to me that love does not beget love but only propagates love! Subtle difference? Love is a positive, always giving {energy}. Like the Sun that just gives and projects outwards and never receives or cares for receiving anything back. Hate is like the blackhole, it receives, and the mass shrinks till it becomes infinitely small and dense. Then another universe begins as it must by Brahma's decree. You can tell I am reading Parallel Universe by Kaku, again! It is complex and interesting -- a must read for serious astrologers. RR , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > Dear RRji > > in most parts of delhi and surrounding areas, construction of a > makeshift temple with a small stone painted in red as hanuman or > some shivling or some other statue is the first step to grab the > government land. soon with public donations a big temple will be > built and spans overs several acres. then they construct several > shops all around the temple and either sell or rent them. this is > the case with many temples, mosques, gurudwaras and other holy > places of worship. delhi's shahdara area has a unique case where > the land grabbers were so friendly that to strenghten the case of > land grabbing, they built a huge temple, a mosque and a gurudwara > all in juxtaposition so that the government dare not demolish them. > > unfortunately, this is expected in kaliyug and we cannot reform this > social practice. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > (love begets love, hate begets hate) > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > You must have seen those spots during your travel where someone > found > > a stone, painted it red and it became a shrine for Bajrangbali! In > my > > younger days, I used to smile at these as I rode the bus in madhya > > pradesh. The stone effigies and icons looked alike and I can > hardly > > recall any of those in details some thirty-forty years later, > today. > > Strangely, I can vividly recall even today the faces and > expressions > > in the eyes of the devotees that I fleetingly passed by at times > and > > at others had the privilege to observe longer and closely, without > > knowing what exactly I was observing and capturing on the > harddrive > > or CCD between my ears! > > > > The human being has this uncanny power of capturing reality within > > its mind and then projecting it out as the perceived reality. > > > > Think for a moment. We are really like jet-pilots in a cockpit > that > > has all kinds of scopes and gauges and transducers and sensors. We > > think we do, but none of us really touches or perceives truly > > the 'reality'. When you touch a succulent orange, see its colours, > > smell its tantalizing aroma, then slice it and enjoy its taste and > > fragrance -- you - whatever this *you* represents is being > > experienced vicariously, by proxy. Your sensors are experiencing > the > > reality that you think you are experiencing, these 'reporters' > then > > send their messages to the control-room (brain) where the > electrical > > bips and blips are perceived as reality. Such is the grandness of > the > > illusion that we begin thinking that <we> actually experience > reality. > > > > Only when the sensors go out of commission for one reason or > another > > (could be as simple as a cold which throws off our sense of smell, > or > > blindness, or numbness, or paralysis etc) that we realize that our > > direct perception of reality was not direct. The reality did not > > change, only our perception did! > > > > The heart senses God and divinity. Given our lifelong conditioning > > through experiencing reality, ALL reality through our senses, we > try > > to create images and effigies, and icons. Why should that be so > > unusual? This iconization of inner reality manifests in many other > > forms, some more down to earth! The posters of their favorite > > sportsmen, their favorite singers or film starts by young people > all > > over the globe. Even 'emancipated' <gone beyond religion > superstition! > > > communist countries parade with greater than lifesize pictures > of > > their leaders and inspired statesmen (Their gods!) and throngs of > > millions surround and pay homage to PHYSICAL sacred spots after > > enduring a difficult journey, year after year! Are they not > > worshiping an ICON? What difference does it make whether it is a > > human figure, a cross, an edifice or just a star or another object? > > > > The only way to get rid of our inherent icon-idol worshipping > human > > nature can start only after we rid ourselves of all senses. That > is > > what meditation is supposed to be all about. Burning effigies, > > killing others who worship idols or different idols will only > pollute > > the environment more, physically, mentally and spiritually! > > > > Ever heard of properly done meditation killing anyone? > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Friends, > > > Suryaji is blessed for he has found his own path, very few of us > > get > > > so fortunate to be so committed to be able to walk on one path > > > without deviating from within and without. > > > However, he is not discussing with any of us, he is simply > telling > > > us of his path and according to him the best path, if not, the > only > > > path. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu > Astrology" > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > > > > > > > The problem in discussing matters with you is that you put > words > > and > > > > sentences even when noone has spoken or written them. Did I > > mention > > > anything > > > > about what to offer as sacrifice, etc? If you are keen on > giving > > > long > > > > lectures without anyone's asking, it is fine with me. I was > just > > > wondering > > > > how come Lord Krishna never spoke a word of Bhagavad Gita to > > > Arjuna, before > > > > he asked for it. After all, Lord Krishna was related to Arjuna > > and > > > lived > > > > with him for many years prior to the Mahabharata war. > > > > > > > > It looks like that you may have a different view of when to > speak > > > and when > > > > not to. > > > > > > > > However, coming to your self proclaimed topic - If one has > > > devotion, he/she > > > > is free to express it in any way he/she likes. To call one > method > > > foolish to > > > > the other, is foolishness. For you stone is unconscious - for > > > others stone > > > > is not a stone but the Lord itself. One sees the Jadam and the > > > other the > > > > Supreme Being. One sees food is wasted, the other see it > consumed > > > by the > > > > expression of the Lord. > > > > > > > > In other words, do not try to assume superiority of "your" > > methods. > > > Let Lord > > > > decide that. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/17/06, surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Even if you treat the Lord as the statue in your prayer > room, > > > stop > > > > > all these traditional foolish activity and be real. Since > the > > > statue > > > > > cannot eat the food, don't offer the food. Since the statue > is > > not > > > > > having life, don't put flowers, don't lit the oil lamp when > the > > > > > light is present, don't burn the fume sticks and camphor, > don't > > > > > break the coconut etc., You see the beauty of the Lord in > the > > > statue > > > > > or photo and fix your eyes. Develop attraction and love. > > Remember > > > > > His qualities. > > > > > > > > > > If there is darkness, lit the lamp. To remove the darkness, > > only > > > oil > > > > > lamp is not needed. The alternative electric light is there. > > Avoid > > > > > the oil lamp in order to avoid the pollution. If you want > good > > > > > smell, burn the fume stick. Burning the camphor has no use > and > > > > > moreover it causes pollution. To satisfy your vision you can > > > > > decorate the statue with flowers. What ever you do, you do > for > > > your > > > > > self-satisfaction, which is the fruit for all your actions. > You > > > can > > > > > offer the food to the statue, but it is for your > satisfaction > > only > > > > > and don't expect any extra fruit from the Lord. You can > break > > the > > > > > coconut before the Lord and offer the broken pieces of > coconut > > to > > > > > the Lord. But you are eating the coconut. Don't ask the Lord > > for > > > any > > > > > fruit for breaking the coconut. Therefore you can do all > these > > > > > things before statues and photos with a divine feeling as if > > you > > > are > > > > > offering to the Lord. Your feeling is definitely better than > the > > > > > feeling of an atheist. But what I say is that by such > feelings > > you > > > > > have attained peace, satisfaction and happiness in your > mind. > > > Please > > > > > do not ask anything from the Lord because your sacrifice is > not > > a > > > > > real practical sacrifice. It is only the sacrifice of your > > words > > > and > > > > > feelings. This is not wrong as far as you don't ask for any > > fruit > > > > > for such actions. Once you ask the fruit from the Lord for > such > > > > > sacrifice of words and feelings, all those rituals become > > fooling > > > > > the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > I am not against the rituals but I am against you if you say > > that > > > > > you have practically sacrificed to the Lord through those > > rituals > > > > > and if you ask for some real fruit from the Lord. By all > these > > > > > things you have obtained peace and happiness in your heart. > Very > > > > > good! Be satisfied with that fruit. Don't boast that you have > > > > > sacrificed something to the Lord and therefore don't expect > any > > > > > fruit from the Lord. If you say that you have sacrificed to > the > > > Lord > > > > > by these rituals, which are only sacrifice of words and > > feelings, > > > > > you are the biggest actor and all your rituals are the > dramatic > > > > > actions. > > > > > > > > > > If you want to sacrifice really to the Lord, search for the > > human > > > > > form of the Lord, with the help of Veda and do any little > > > sacrifice, > > > > > what ever you can. In such sacrifice if you aspire anything > in > > > > > return, you will get the fruit, which is just equal to your > > > > > sacrifice. If you sacrifice one rupee, He will give you one > > > > > chocolate. If you sacrifice two rupees, He will give you two > > > > > chocolates. Let the business be justified. Don't expect ten > > > > > chocolates for one rupee. But if you are not aspiring any > fruit > > > for > > > > > your sacrifice, which is the real love similar to the real > love > > > > > shown to your children, then the Lord will give you infinite > > real > > > > > fruit in a proper place at the appropriate time. Since you > are > > not > > > > > aspiring for the fruit, you leave the right place and right > > time > > > to > > > > > the decision of the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > > surya > > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > Till date, I haven't seen any person pray to an idol. All > I > > have > > > > > seen is people pray to God. I am yet to meet a single person > who > > > > > goes in front of a picture or a stone and says - "Hey > Stone!". > > > > > Recognition of the Lord in one and everything, is divine. > This > > is > > > > > what Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa showed Sri Narendranath. > > > > > > > > > > > > I reserve my further comments on your writings about Srimad > > > > > Bhagavad Geeta. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > RELISH THE > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 What did I do? , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Arjun ji, > > Hah! Talk about covering all the bases! (in your multi-religion > example!) > > As I read your signature, it occurred to me that love does not beget > love but only propagates love! Subtle difference? Love is a positive, > always giving {energy}. Like the Sun that just gives and projects > outwards and never receives or cares for receiving anything back. > > Hate is like the blackhole, it receives, and the mass shrinks till it > becomes infinitely small and dense. Then another universe begins as > it must by Brahma's decree. You can tell I am reading Parallel > Universe by Kaku, again! It is complex and interesting -- a must read > for serious astrologers. > > RR > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji > > > > in most parts of delhi and surrounding areas, construction of a > > makeshift temple with a small stone painted in red as hanuman or > > some shivling or some other statue is the first step to grab the > > government land. soon with public donations a big temple will be > > built and spans overs several acres. then they construct several > > shops all around the temple and either sell or rent them. this is > > the case with many temples, mosques, gurudwaras and other holy > > places of worship. delhi's shahdara area has a unique case where > > the land grabbers were so friendly that to strenghten the case of > > land grabbing, they built a huge temple, a mosque and a gurudwara > > all in juxtaposition so that the government dare not demolish them. > > > > unfortunately, this is expected in kaliyug and we cannot reform > this > > social practice. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > (love begets love, hate begets hate) > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > > > You must have seen those spots during your travel where someone > > found > > > a stone, painted it red and it became a shrine for Bajrangbali! > In > > my > > > younger days, I used to smile at these as I rode the bus in > madhya > > > pradesh. The stone effigies and icons looked alike and I can > > hardly > > > recall any of those in details some thirty-forty years later, > > today. > > > Strangely, I can vividly recall even today the faces and > > expressions > > > in the eyes of the devotees that I fleetingly passed by at times > > and > > > at others had the privilege to observe longer and closely, > without > > > knowing what exactly I was observing and capturing on the > > harddrive > > > or CCD between my ears! > > > > > > The human being has this uncanny power of capturing reality > within > > > its mind and then projecting it out as the perceived reality. > > > > > > Think for a moment. We are really like jet-pilots in a cockpit > > that > > > has all kinds of scopes and gauges and transducers and sensors. > We > > > think we do, but none of us really touches or perceives truly > > > the 'reality'. When you touch a succulent orange, see its > colours, > > > smell its tantalizing aroma, then slice it and enjoy its taste > and > > > fragrance -- you - whatever this *you* represents is being > > > experienced vicariously, by proxy. Your sensors are experiencing > > the > > > reality that you think you are experiencing, these 'reporters' > > then > > > send their messages to the control-room (brain) where the > > electrical > > > bips and blips are perceived as reality. Such is the grandness of > > the > > > illusion that we begin thinking that <we> actually experience > > reality. > > > > > > Only when the sensors go out of commission for one reason or > > another > > > (could be as simple as a cold which throws off our sense of > smell, > > or > > > blindness, or numbness, or paralysis etc) that we realize that > our > > > direct perception of reality was not direct. The reality did not > > > change, only our perception did! > > > > > > The heart senses God and divinity. Given our lifelong > conditioning > > > through experiencing reality, ALL reality through our senses, we > > try > > > to create images and effigies, and icons. Why should that be so > > > unusual? This iconization of inner reality manifests in many > other > > > forms, some more down to earth! The posters of their favorite > > > sportsmen, their favorite singers or film starts by young people > > all > > > over the globe. Even 'emancipated' <gone beyond religion > > superstition! > > > > communist countries parade with greater than lifesize pictures > > of > > > their leaders and inspired statesmen (Their gods!) and throngs of > > > millions surround and pay homage to PHYSICAL sacred spots after > > > enduring a difficult journey, year after year! Are they not > > > worshiping an ICON? What difference does it make whether it is a > > > human figure, a cross, an edifice or just a star or another > object? > > > > > > The only way to get rid of our inherent icon-idol worshipping > > human > > > nature can start only after we rid ourselves of all senses. That > > is > > > what meditation is supposed to be all about. Burning effigies, > > > killing others who worship idols or different idols will only > > pollute > > > the environment more, physically, mentally and spiritually! > > > > > > Ever heard of properly done meditation killing anyone? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > Suryaji is blessed for he has found his own path, very few of > us > > > get > > > > so fortunate to be so committed to be able to walk on one path > > > > without deviating from within and without. > > > > However, he is not discussing with any of us, he is simply > > telling > > > > us of his path and according to him the best path, if not, the > > only > > > > path. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu > > Astrology" > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > > > > > > > > > The problem in discussing matters with you is that you put > > words > > > and > > > > > sentences even when noone has spoken or written them. Did I > > > mention > > > > anything > > > > > about what to offer as sacrifice, etc? If you are keen on > > giving > > > > long > > > > > lectures without anyone's asking, it is fine with me. I was > > just > > > > wondering > > > > > how come Lord Krishna never spoke a word of Bhagavad Gita to > > > > Arjuna, before > > > > > he asked for it. After all, Lord Krishna was related to > Arjuna > > > and > > > > lived > > > > > with him for many years prior to the Mahabharata war. > > > > > > > > > > It looks like that you may have a different view of when to > > speak > > > > and when > > > > > not to. > > > > > > > > > > However, coming to your self proclaimed topic - If one has > > > > devotion, he/she > > > > > is free to express it in any way he/she likes. To call one > > method > > > > foolish to > > > > > the other, is foolishness. For you stone is unconscious - for > > > > others stone > > > > > is not a stone but the Lord itself. One sees the Jadam and > the > > > > other the > > > > > Supreme Being. One sees food is wasted, the other see it > > consumed > > > > by the > > > > > expression of the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > In other words, do not try to assume superiority of "your" > > > methods. > > > > Let Lord > > > > > decide that. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/17/06, surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if you treat the Lord as the statue in your prayer > > room, > > > > stop > > > > > > all these traditional foolish activity and be real. Since > > the > > > > statue > > > > > > cannot eat the food, don't offer the food. Since the statue > > is > > > not > > > > > > having life, don't put flowers, don't lit the oil lamp when > > the > > > > > > light is present, don't burn the fume sticks and camphor, > > don't > > > > > > break the coconut etc., You see the beauty of the Lord in > > the > > > > statue > > > > > > or photo and fix your eyes. Develop attraction and love. > > > Remember > > > > > > His qualities. > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is darkness, lit the lamp. To remove the darkness, > > > only > > > > oil > > > > > > lamp is not needed. The alternative electric light is > there. > > > Avoid > > > > > > the oil lamp in order to avoid the pollution. If you want > > good > > > > > > smell, burn the fume stick. Burning the camphor has no use > > and > > > > > > moreover it causes pollution. To satisfy your vision you can > > > > > > decorate the statue with flowers. What ever you do, you do > > for > > > > your > > > > > > self-satisfaction, which is the fruit for all your actions. > > You > > > > can > > > > > > offer the food to the statue, but it is for your > > satisfaction > > > only > > > > > > and don't expect any extra fruit from the Lord. You can > > break > > > the > > > > > > coconut before the Lord and offer the broken pieces of > > coconut > > > to > > > > > > the Lord. But you are eating the coconut. Don't ask the > Lord > > > for > > > > any > > > > > > fruit for breaking the coconut. Therefore you can do all > > these > > > > > > things before statues and photos with a divine feeling as > if > > > you > > > > are > > > > > > offering to the Lord. Your feeling is definitely better > than > > the > > > > > > feeling of an atheist. But what I say is that by such > > feelings > > > you > > > > > > have attained peace, satisfaction and happiness in your > > mind. > > > > Please > > > > > > do not ask anything from the Lord because your sacrifice is > > not > > > a > > > > > > real practical sacrifice. It is only the sacrifice of your > > > words > > > > and > > > > > > feelings. This is not wrong as far as you don't ask for any > > > fruit > > > > > > for such actions. Once you ask the fruit from the Lord for > > such > > > > > > sacrifice of words and feelings, all those rituals become > > > fooling > > > > > > the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not against the rituals but I am against you if you > say > > > that > > > > > > you have practically sacrificed to the Lord through those > > > rituals > > > > > > and if you ask for some real fruit from the Lord. By all > > these > > > > > > things you have obtained peace and happiness in your heart. > > Very > > > > > > good! Be satisfied with that fruit. Don't boast that you > have > > > > > > sacrificed something to the Lord and therefore don't expect > > any > > > > > > fruit from the Lord. If you say that you have sacrificed to > > the > > > > Lord > > > > > > by these rituals, which are only sacrifice of words and > > > feelings, > > > > > > you are the biggest actor and all your rituals are the > > dramatic > > > > > > actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to sacrifice really to the Lord, search for the > > > human > > > > > > form of the Lord, with the help of Veda and do any little > > > > sacrifice, > > > > > > what ever you can. In such sacrifice if you aspire anything > > in > > > > > > return, you will get the fruit, which is just equal to your > > > > > > sacrifice. If you sacrifice one rupee, He will give you one > > > > > > chocolate. If you sacrifice two rupees, He will give you two > > > > > > chocolates. Let the business be justified. Don't expect ten > > > > > > chocolates for one rupee. But if you are not aspiring any > > fruit > > > > for > > > > > > your sacrifice, which is the real love similar to the real > > love > > > > > > shown to your children, then the Lord will give you > infinite > > > real > > > > > > fruit in a proper place at the appropriate time. Since you > > are > > > not > > > > > > aspiring for the fruit, you leave the right place and right > > > time > > > > to > > > > > > the decision of the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > > > surya > > > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > Till date, I haven't seen any person pray to an idol. All > > I > > > have > > > > > > seen is people pray to God. I am yet to meet a single > person > > who > > > > > > goes in front of a picture or a stone and says - "Hey > > Stone!". > > > > > > Recognition of the Lord in one and everything, is divine. > > This > > > is > > > > > > what Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa showed Sri Narendranath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I reserve my further comments on your writings about > Srimad > > > > > > Bhagavad Geeta. > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > > RELISH THE > > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Dear Rishi, You replied to the wrong post ;-) ranjan , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > > What did I do? > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > Hah! Talk about covering all the bases! (in your multi-religion > > example!) > > > > As I read your signature, it occurred to me that love does not > beget > > love but only propagates love! Subtle difference? Love is a > positive, > > always giving {energy}. Like the Sun that just gives and projects > > outwards and never receives or cares for receiving anything back. > > > > Hate is like the blackhole, it receives, and the mass shrinks till > it > > becomes infinitely small and dense. Then another universe begins > as > > it must by Brahma's decree. You can tell I am reading Parallel > > Universe by Kaku, again! It is complex and interesting -- a must > read > > for serious astrologers. > > > > RR > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > > in most parts of delhi and surrounding areas, construction of a > > > makeshift temple with a small stone painted in red as hanuman or > > > some shivling or some other statue is the first step to grab the > > > government land. soon with public donations a big temple will > be > > > built and spans overs several acres. then they construct > several > > > shops all around the temple and either sell or rent them. this > is > > > the case with many temples, mosques, gurudwaras and other holy > > > places of worship. delhi's shahdara area has a unique case > where > > > the land grabbers were so friendly that to strenghten the case > of > > > land grabbing, they built a huge temple, a mosque and a > gurudwara > > > all in juxtaposition so that the government dare not demolish > them. > > > > > > unfortunately, this is expected in kaliyug and we cannot reform > > this > > > social practice. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > (love begets love, hate begets hate) > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > > > > > You must have seen those spots during your travel where > someone > > > found > > > > a stone, painted it red and it became a shrine for > Bajrangbali! > > In > > > my > > > > younger days, I used to smile at these as I rode the bus in > > madhya > > > > pradesh. The stone effigies and icons looked alike and I can > > > hardly > > > > recall any of those in details some thirty-forty years later, > > > today. > > > > Strangely, I can vividly recall even today the faces and > > > expressions > > > > in the eyes of the devotees that I fleetingly passed by at > times > > > and > > > > at others had the privilege to observe longer and closely, > > without > > > > knowing what exactly I was observing and capturing on the > > > harddrive > > > > or CCD between my ears! > > > > > > > > The human being has this uncanny power of capturing reality > > within > > > > its mind and then projecting it out as the perceived reality. > > > > > > > > Think for a moment. We are really like jet-pilots in a cockpit > > > that > > > > has all kinds of scopes and gauges and transducers and > sensors. > > We > > > > think we do, but none of us really touches or perceives truly > > > > the 'reality'. When you touch a succulent orange, see its > > colours, > > > > smell its tantalizing aroma, then slice it and enjoy its taste > > and > > > > fragrance -- you - whatever this *you* represents is being > > > > experienced vicariously, by proxy. Your sensors are > experiencing > > > the > > > > reality that you think you are experiencing, these 'reporters' > > > then > > > > send their messages to the control-room (brain) where the > > > electrical > > > > bips and blips are perceived as reality. Such is the grandness > of > > > the > > > > illusion that we begin thinking that <we> actually experience > > > reality. > > > > > > > > Only when the sensors go out of commission for one reason or > > > another > > > > (could be as simple as a cold which throws off our sense of > > smell, > > > or > > > > blindness, or numbness, or paralysis etc) that we realize that > > our > > > > direct perception of reality was not direct. The reality did > not > > > > change, only our perception did! > > > > > > > > The heart senses God and divinity. Given our lifelong > > conditioning > > > > through experiencing reality, ALL reality through our senses, > we > > > try > > > > to create images and effigies, and icons. Why should that be > so > > > > unusual? This iconization of inner reality manifests in many > > other > > > > forms, some more down to earth! The posters of their favorite > > > > sportsmen, their favorite singers or film starts by young > people > > > all > > > > over the globe. Even 'emancipated' <gone beyond religion > > > superstition! > > > > > communist countries parade with greater than lifesize > pictures > > > of > > > > their leaders and inspired statesmen (Their gods!) and throngs > of > > > > millions surround and pay homage to PHYSICAL sacred spots > after > > > > enduring a difficult journey, year after year! Are they not > > > > worshiping an ICON? What difference does it make whether it is > a > > > > human figure, a cross, an edifice or just a star or another > > object? > > > > > > > > The only way to get rid of our inherent icon-idol worshipping > > > human > > > > nature can start only after we rid ourselves of all senses. > That > > > is > > > > what meditation is supposed to be all about. Burning effigies, > > > > killing others who worship idols or different idols will only > > > pollute > > > > the environment more, physically, mentally and spiritually! > > > > > > > > Ever heard of properly done meditation killing anyone? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > Suryaji is blessed for he has found his own path, very few > of > > us > > > > get > > > > > so fortunate to be so committed to be able to walk on one > path > > > > > without deviating from within and without. > > > > > However, he is not discussing with any of us, he is simply > > > telling > > > > > us of his path and according to him the best path, if not, > the > > > only > > > > > path. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu > > > Astrology" > > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem in discussing matters with you is that you put > > > words > > > > and > > > > > > sentences even when noone has spoken or written them. Did > I > > > > mention > > > > > anything > > > > > > about what to offer as sacrifice, etc? If you are keen on > > > giving > > > > > long > > > > > > lectures without anyone's asking, it is fine with me. I > was > > > just > > > > > wondering > > > > > > how come Lord Krishna never spoke a word of Bhagavad Gita > to > > > > > Arjuna, before > > > > > > he asked for it. After all, Lord Krishna was related to > > Arjuna > > > > and > > > > > lived > > > > > > with him for many years prior to the Mahabharata war. > > > > > > > > > > > > It looks like that you may have a different view of when > to > > > speak > > > > > and when > > > > > > not to. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, coming to your self proclaimed topic - If one has > > > > > devotion, he/she > > > > > > is free to express it in any way he/she likes. To call one > > > method > > > > > foolish to > > > > > > the other, is foolishness. For you stone is unconscious - > for > > > > > others stone > > > > > > is not a stone but the Lord itself. One sees the Jadam and > > the > > > > > other the > > > > > > Supreme Being. One sees food is wasted, the other see it > > > consumed > > > > > by the > > > > > > expression of the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, do not try to assume superiority of "your" > > > > methods. > > > > > Let Lord > > > > > > decide that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/17/06, surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if you treat the Lord as the statue in your prayer > > > room, > > > > > stop > > > > > > > all these traditional foolish activity and be real. > Since > > > the > > > > > statue > > > > > > > cannot eat the food, don't offer the food. Since the > statue > > > is > > > > not > > > > > > > having life, don't put flowers, don't lit the oil lamp > when > > > the > > > > > > > light is present, don't burn the fume sticks and > camphor, > > > don't > > > > > > > break the coconut etc., You see the beauty of the Lord > in > > > the > > > > > statue > > > > > > > or photo and fix your eyes. Develop attraction and love. > > > > Remember > > > > > > > His qualities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is darkness, lit the lamp. To remove the > darkness, > > > > only > > > > > oil > > > > > > > lamp is not needed. The alternative electric light is > > there. > > > > Avoid > > > > > > > the oil lamp in order to avoid the pollution. If you > want > > > good > > > > > > > smell, burn the fume stick. Burning the camphor has no > use > > > and > > > > > > > moreover it causes pollution. To satisfy your vision you > can > > > > > > > decorate the statue with flowers. What ever you do, you > do > > > for > > > > > your > > > > > > > self-satisfaction, which is the fruit for all your > actions. > > > You > > > > > can > > > > > > > offer the food to the statue, but it is for your > > > satisfaction > > > > only > > > > > > > and don't expect any extra fruit from the Lord. You can > > > break > > > > the > > > > > > > coconut before the Lord and offer the broken pieces of > > > coconut > > > > to > > > > > > > the Lord. But you are eating the coconut. Don't ask the > > Lord > > > > for > > > > > any > > > > > > > fruit for breaking the coconut. Therefore you can do all > > > these > > > > > > > things before statues and photos with a divine feeling > as > > if > > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > > offering to the Lord. Your feeling is definitely better > > than > > > the > > > > > > > feeling of an atheist. But what I say is that by such > > > feelings > > > > you > > > > > > > have attained peace, satisfaction and happiness in your > > > mind. > > > > > Please > > > > > > > do not ask anything from the Lord because your sacrifice > is > > > not > > > > a > > > > > > > real practical sacrifice. It is only the sacrifice of > your > > > > words > > > > > and > > > > > > > feelings. This is not wrong as far as you don't ask for > any > > > > fruit > > > > > > > for such actions. Once you ask the fruit from the Lord > for > > > such > > > > > > > sacrifice of words and feelings, all those rituals > become > > > > fooling > > > > > > > the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not against the rituals but I am against you if you > > say > > > > that > > > > > > > you have practically sacrificed to the Lord through > those > > > > rituals > > > > > > > and if you ask for some real fruit from the Lord. By all > > > these > > > > > > > things you have obtained peace and happiness in your > heart. > > > Very > > > > > > > good! Be satisfied with that fruit. Don't boast that you > > have > > > > > > > sacrificed something to the Lord and therefore don't > expect > > > any > > > > > > > fruit from the Lord. If you say that you have sacrificed > to > > > the > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > by these rituals, which are only sacrifice of words and > > > > feelings, > > > > > > > you are the biggest actor and all your rituals are the > > > dramatic > > > > > > > actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to sacrifice really to the Lord, search for > the > > > > human > > > > > > > form of the Lord, with the help of Veda and do any > little > > > > > sacrifice, > > > > > > > what ever you can. In such sacrifice if you aspire > anything > > > in > > > > > > > return, you will get the fruit, which is just equal to > your > > > > > > > sacrifice. If you sacrifice one rupee, He will give you > one > > > > > > > chocolate. If you sacrifice two rupees, He will give you > two > > > > > > > chocolates. Let the business be justified. Don't expect > ten > > > > > > > chocolates for one rupee. But if you are not aspiring > any > > > fruit > > > > > for > > > > > > > your sacrifice, which is the real love similar to the > real > > > love > > > > > > > shown to your children, then the Lord will give you > > infinite > > > > real > > > > > > > fruit in a proper place at the appropriate time. Since > you > > > are > > > > not > > > > > > > aspiring for the fruit, you leave the right place and > right > > > > time > > > > > to > > > > > > > the decision of the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > > > > surya > > > > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Till date, I haven't seen any person pray to an idol. > All > > > I > > > > have > > > > > > > seen is people pray to God. I am yet to meet a single > > person > > > who > > > > > > > goes in front of a picture or a stone and says - "Hey > > > Stone!". > > > > > > > Recognition of the Lord in one and everything, is > divine. > > > This > > > > is > > > > > > > what Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa showed Sri Narendranath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I reserve my further comments on your writings about > > Srimad > > > > > > > Bhagavad Geeta. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > > RELISH THE > > > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Yes, always the last mile which is hardest and one goes to the wrong turning! rishi --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Rishi, > > You replied to the wrong post ;-) > > ranjan > > , > "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in wrote: > > > > > > What did I do? > > > > > > , "crystal > pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > > > Hah! Talk about covering all the bases! (in your > multi-religion > > > example!) > > > > > > As I read your signature, it occurred to me that > love does not > > beget > > > love but only propagates love! Subtle > difference? Love is a > > positive, > > > always giving {energy}. Like the Sun that just > gives and projects > > > outwards and never receives or cares for > receiving anything back. > > > > > > Hate is like the blackhole, it receives, and the > mass shrinks > till > > it > > > becomes infinitely small and dense. Then another > universe begins > > as > > > it must by Brahma's decree. You can tell I am > reading Parallel > > > Universe by Kaku, again! It is complex and > interesting -- a must > > read > > > for serious astrologers. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , > "panditarjun2004" > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > > > > in most parts of delhi and surrounding areas, > construction of a > > > > makeshift temple with a small stone painted in > red as hanuman > or > > > > some shivling or some other statue is the > first step to grab > the > > > > government land. soon with public donations a > big temple will > > be > > > > built and spans overs several acres. then > they construct > > several > > > > shops all around the temple and either sell or > rent them. this > > is > > > > the case with many temples, mosques, > gurudwaras and other holy > > > > places of worship. delhi's shahdara area has > a unique case > > where > > > > the land grabbers were so friendly that to > strenghten the case > > of > > > > land grabbing, they built a huge temple, a > mosque and a > > gurudwara > > > > all in juxtaposition so that the government > dare not demolish > > them. > > > > > > > > unfortunately, this is expected in kaliyug and > we cannot reform > > > this > > > > social practice. > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > pandit arjun > > > > (love begets love, hate begets hate) > > > > > > > > , > "crystal pages" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > > > > > > > You must have seen those spots during your > travel where > > someone > > > > found > > > > > a stone, painted it red and it became a > shrine for > > Bajrangbali! > > > In > > > > my > > > > > younger days, I used to smile at these as I > rode the bus in > > > madhya > > > > > pradesh. The stone effigies and icons looked > alike and I can > > > > hardly > > > > > recall any of those in details some > thirty-forty years later, > > > > today. > > > > > Strangely, I can vividly recall even today > the faces and > > > > expressions > > > > > in the eyes of the devotees that I > fleetingly passed by at > > times > > > > and > > > > > at others had the privilege to observe > longer and closely, > > > without > > > > > knowing what exactly I was observing and > capturing on the > > > > harddrive > > > > > or CCD between my ears! > > > > > > > > > > The human being has this uncanny power of > capturing reality > > > within > > > > > its mind and then projecting it out as the > perceived reality. > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment. We are really like > jet-pilots in a > cockpit > > > > that > > > > > has all kinds of scopes and gauges and > transducers and > > sensors. > > > We > > > > > think we do, but none of us really touches > or perceives truly > > > > > the 'reality'. When you touch a succulent > orange, see its > > > colours, > > > > > smell its tantalizing aroma, then slice it > and enjoy its > taste > > > and > > > > > fragrance -- you - whatever this *you* > represents is being > > > > > experienced vicariously, by proxy. Your > sensors are > > experiencing > > > > the > > > > > reality that you think you are experiencing, > > these 'reporters' > > > > then > > > > > send their messages to the control-room > (brain) where the > > > > electrical > > > > > bips and blips are perceived as reality. > Such is the > grandness > > of > > > > the > > > > > illusion that we begin thinking that <we> > actually experience > > > > reality. > > > > > > > > > > Only when the sensors go out of commission > for one reason or > > > > another > > > > > (could be as simple as a cold which throws > off our sense of > > > smell, > > > > or > > > > > blindness, or numbness, or paralysis etc) > that we realize > that > > > our > > > > > direct perception of reality was not direct. > The reality did > > not > > > > > change, only our perception did! > > > > > > > > > > The heart senses God and divinity. Given our > lifelong > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 dear RRji till now i was only propagating that love knows only giving and also that love is god. by equating love with the living god sun who gives light to all, you are saying "LOVE IS LIGHT". this is a wonderful dimension of viewing love and we all must spread as much light (love) as we can to as many people as we can. with best wishes pandit arjun (humility is the hallmark of maturity) , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Arjun ji, > > Hah! Talk about covering all the bases! (in your multi-religion > example!) > > As I read your signature, it occurred to me that love does not beget > love but only propagates love! Subtle difference? Love is a positive, > always giving {energy}. Like the Sun that just gives and projects > outwards and never receives or cares for receiving anything back. > > Hate is like the blackhole, it receives, and the mass shrinks till it > becomes infinitely small and dense. Then another universe begins as > it must by Brahma's decree. You can tell I am reading Parallel > Universe by Kaku, again! It is complex and interesting -- a must read > for serious astrologers. > > RR > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji > > > > in most parts of delhi and surrounding areas, construction of a > > makeshift temple with a small stone painted in red as hanuman or > > some shivling or some other statue is the first step to grab the > > government land. soon with public donations a big temple will be > > built and spans overs several acres. then they construct several > > shops all around the temple and either sell or rent them. this is > > the case with many temples, mosques, gurudwaras and other holy > > places of worship. delhi's shahdara area has a unique case where > > the land grabbers were so friendly that to strenghten the case of > > land grabbing, they built a huge temple, a mosque and a gurudwara > > all in juxtaposition so that the government dare not demolish them. > > > > unfortunately, this is expected in kaliyug and we cannot reform > this > > social practice. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > (love begets love, hate begets hate) > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > > > You must have seen those spots during your travel where someone > > found > > > a stone, painted it red and it became a shrine for Bajrangbali! > In > > my > > > younger days, I used to smile at these as I rode the bus in > madhya > > > pradesh. The stone effigies and icons looked alike and I can > > hardly > > > recall any of those in details some thirty-forty years later, > > today. > > > Strangely, I can vividly recall even today the faces and > > expressions > > > in the eyes of the devotees that I fleetingly passed by at times > > and > > > at others had the privilege to observe longer and closely, > without > > > knowing what exactly I was observing and capturing on the > > harddrive > > > or CCD between my ears! > > > > > > The human being has this uncanny power of capturing reality > within > > > its mind and then projecting it out as the perceived reality. > > > > > > Think for a moment. We are really like jet-pilots in a cockpit > > that > > > has all kinds of scopes and gauges and transducers and sensors. > We > > > think we do, but none of us really touches or perceives truly > > > the 'reality'. When you touch a succulent orange, see its > colours, > > > smell its tantalizing aroma, then slice it and enjoy its taste > and > > > fragrance -- you - whatever this *you* represents is being > > > experienced vicariously, by proxy. Your sensors are experiencing > > the > > > reality that you think you are experiencing, these 'reporters' > > then > > > send their messages to the control-room (brain) where the > > electrical > > > bips and blips are perceived as reality. Such is the grandness of > > the > > > illusion that we begin thinking that <we> actually experience > > reality. > > > > > > Only when the sensors go out of commission for one reason or > > another > > > (could be as simple as a cold which throws off our sense of > smell, > > or > > > blindness, or numbness, or paralysis etc) that we realize that > our > > > direct perception of reality was not direct. The reality did not > > > change, only our perception did! > > > > > > The heart senses God and divinity. Given our lifelong > conditioning > > > through experiencing reality, ALL reality through our senses, we > > try > > > to create images and effigies, and icons. Why should that be so > > > unusual? This iconization of inner reality manifests in many > other > > > forms, some more down to earth! The posters of their favorite > > > sportsmen, their favorite singers or film starts by young people > > all > > > over the globe. Even 'emancipated' <gone beyond religion > > superstition! > > > > communist countries parade with greater than lifesize pictures > > of > > > their leaders and inspired statesmen (Their gods!) and throngs of > > > millions surround and pay homage to PHYSICAL sacred spots after > > > enduring a difficult journey, year after year! Are they not > > > worshiping an ICON? What difference does it make whether it is a > > > human figure, a cross, an edifice or just a star or another > object? > > > > > > The only way to get rid of our inherent icon-idol worshipping > > human > > > nature can start only after we rid ourselves of all senses. That > > is > > > what meditation is supposed to be all about. Burning effigies, > > > killing others who worship idols or different idols will only > > pollute > > > the environment more, physically, mentally and spiritually! > > > > > > Ever heard of properly done meditation killing anyone? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > Suryaji is blessed for he has found his own path, very few of > us > > > get > > > > so fortunate to be so committed to be able to walk on one path > > > > without deviating from within and without. > > > > However, he is not discussing with any of us, he is simply > > telling > > > > us of his path and according to him the best path, if not, the > > only > > > > path. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu > > Astrology" > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > > > > > > > > > The problem in discussing matters with you is that you put > > words > > > and > > > > > sentences even when noone has spoken or written them. Did I > > > mention > > > > anything > > > > > about what to offer as sacrifice, etc? If you are keen on > > giving > > > > long > > > > > lectures without anyone's asking, it is fine with me. I was > > just > > > > wondering > > > > > how come Lord Krishna never spoke a word of Bhagavad Gita to > > > > Arjuna, before > > > > > he asked for it. After all, Lord Krishna was related to > Arjuna > > > and > > > > lived > > > > > with him for many years prior to the Mahabharata war. > > > > > > > > > > It looks like that you may have a different view of when to > > speak > > > > and when > > > > > not to. > > > > > > > > > > However, coming to your self proclaimed topic - If one has > > > > devotion, he/she > > > > > is free to express it in any way he/she likes. To call one > > method > > > > foolish to > > > > > the other, is foolishness. For you stone is unconscious - for > > > > others stone > > > > > is not a stone but the Lord itself. One sees the Jadam and > the > > > > other the > > > > > Supreme Being. One sees food is wasted, the other see it > > consumed > > > > by the > > > > > expression of the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > In other words, do not try to assume superiority of "your" > > > methods. > > > > Let Lord > > > > > decide that. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/17/06, surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if you treat the Lord as the statue in your prayer > > room, > > > > stop > > > > > > all these traditional foolish activity and be real. Since > > the > > > > statue > > > > > > cannot eat the food, don't offer the food. Since the statue > > is > > > not > > > > > > having life, don't put flowers, don't lit the oil lamp when > > the > > > > > > light is present, don't burn the fume sticks and camphor, > > don't > > > > > > break the coconut etc., You see the beauty of the Lord in > > the > > > > statue > > > > > > or photo and fix your eyes. Develop attraction and love. > > > Remember > > > > > > His qualities. > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is darkness, lit the lamp. To remove the darkness, > > > only > > > > oil > > > > > > lamp is not needed. The alternative electric light is > there. > > > Avoid > > > > > > the oil lamp in order to avoid the pollution. If you want > > good > > > > > > smell, burn the fume stick. Burning the camphor has no use > > and > > > > > > moreover it causes pollution. To satisfy your vision you can > > > > > > decorate the statue with flowers. What ever you do, you do > > for > > > > your > > > > > > self-satisfaction, which is the fruit for all your actions. > > You > > > > can > > > > > > offer the food to the statue, but it is for your > > satisfaction > > > only > > > > > > and don't expect any extra fruit from the Lord. You can > > break > > > the > > > > > > coconut before the Lord and offer the broken pieces of > > coconut > > > to > > > > > > the Lord. But you are eating the coconut. Don't ask the > Lord > > > for > > > > any > > > > > > fruit for breaking the coconut. Therefore you can do all > > these > > > > > > things before statues and photos with a divine feeling as > if > > > you > > > > are > > > > > > offering to the Lord. Your feeling is definitely better > than > > the > > > > > > feeling of an atheist. But what I say is that by such > > feelings > > > you > > > > > > have attained peace, satisfaction and happiness in your > > mind. > > > > Please > > > > > > do not ask anything from the Lord because your sacrifice is > > not > > > a > > > > > > real practical sacrifice. It is only the sacrifice of your > > > words > > > > and > > > > > > feelings. This is not wrong as far as you don't ask for any > > > fruit > > > > > > for such actions. Once you ask the fruit from the Lord for > > such > > > > > > sacrifice of words and feelings, all those rituals become > > > fooling > > > > > > the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not against the rituals but I am against you if you > say > > > that > > > > > > you have practically sacrificed to the Lord through those > > > rituals > > > > > > and if you ask for some real fruit from the Lord. By all > > these > > > > > > things you have obtained peace and happiness in your heart. > > Very > > > > > > good! Be satisfied with that fruit. Don't boast that you > have > > > > > > sacrificed something to the Lord and therefore don't expect > > any > > > > > > fruit from the Lord. If you say that you have sacrificed to > > the > > > > Lord > > > > > > by these rituals, which are only sacrifice of words and > > > feelings, > > > > > > you are the biggest actor and all your rituals are the > > dramatic > > > > > > actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to sacrifice really to the Lord, search for the > > > human > > > > > > form of the Lord, with the help of Veda and do any little > > > > sacrifice, > > > > > > what ever you can. In such sacrifice if you aspire anything > > in > > > > > > return, you will get the fruit, which is just equal to your > > > > > > sacrifice. If you sacrifice one rupee, He will give you one > > > > > > chocolate. If you sacrifice two rupees, He will give you two > > > > > > chocolates. Let the business be justified. Don't expect ten > > > > > > chocolates for one rupee. But if you are not aspiring any > > fruit > > > > for > > > > > > your sacrifice, which is the real love similar to the real > > love > > > > > > shown to your children, then the Lord will give you > infinite > > > real > > > > > > fruit in a proper place at the appropriate time. Since you > > are > > > not > > > > > > aspiring for the fruit, you leave the right place and right > > > time > > > > to > > > > > > the decision of the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > > > surya > > > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > Till date, I haven't seen any person pray to an idol. All > > I > > > have > > > > > > seen is people pray to God. I am yet to meet a single > person > > who > > > > > > goes in front of a picture or a stone and says - "Hey > > Stone!". > > > > > > Recognition of the Lord in one and everything, is divine. > > This > > > is > > > > > > what Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa showed Sri Narendranath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I reserve my further comments on your writings about > Srimad > > > > > > Bhagavad Geeta. > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > > > > RELISH THE > > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Dear Rishi, Last mile of this journey does not sound as final as the last journey! In at least one major religion, as concepts go -- the Last Supper was closely followed by promises of the Second Coming! In my ant's view Religions and their scriptures are historical accounts of ancient cultures. Human cultures! The Awatars and Prophets described in such accounts are nothing but the maximum potential that any human being can achieve or at least strive for! ranjan , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Yes, always the last mile which is hardest and one > goes to the wrong turning! > > rishi > > --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > You replied to the wrong post ;-) > > > > ranjan > > > > , > > "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > What did I do? > > > > > > > > > , "crystal > > pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > Hah! Talk about covering all the bases! (in your > > multi-religion > > > > example!) > > > > > > > > As I read your signature, it occurred to me that > > love does not > > > beget > > > > love but only propagates love! Subtle > > difference? Love is a > > > positive, > > > > always giving {energy}. Like the Sun that just > > gives and projects > > > > outwards and never receives or cares for > > receiving anything back. > > > > > > > > Hate is like the blackhole, it receives, and the > > mass shrinks > > till > > > it > > > > becomes infinitely small and dense. Then another > > universe begins > > > as > > > > it must by Brahma's decree. You can tell I am > > reading Parallel > > > > Universe by Kaku, again! It is complex and > > interesting -- a must > > > read > > > > for serious astrologers. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "panditarjun2004" > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > > > > > > in most parts of delhi and surrounding areas, > > construction of a > > > > > makeshift temple with a small stone painted in > > red as hanuman > > or > > > > > some shivling or some other statue is the > > first step to grab > > the > > > > > government land. soon with public donations a > > big temple will > > > be > > > > > built and spans overs several acres. then > > they construct > > > several > > > > > shops all around the temple and either sell or > > rent them. this > > > is > > > > > the case with many temples, mosques, > > gurudwaras and other holy > > > > > places of worship. delhi's shahdara area has > > a unique case > > > where > > > > > the land grabbers were so friendly that to > > strenghten the case > > > of > > > > > land grabbing, they built a huge temple, a > > mosque and a > > > gurudwara > > > > > all in juxtaposition so that the government > > dare not demolish > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately, this is expected in kaliyug and > > we cannot reform > > > > this > > > > > social practice. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > (love begets love, hate begets hate) > > > > > > > > > > , > > "crystal pages" > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > > > > > > > > > You must have seen those spots during your > > travel where > > > someone > > > > > found > > > > > > a stone, painted it red and it became a > > shrine for > > > Bajrangbali! > > > > In > > > > > my > > > > > > younger days, I used to smile at these as I > > rode the bus in > > > > madhya > > > > > > pradesh. The stone effigies and icons looked > > alike and I can > > > > > hardly > > > > > > recall any of those in details some > > thirty-forty years later, > > > > > today. > > > > > > Strangely, I can vividly recall even today > > the faces and > > > > > expressions > > > > > > in the eyes of the devotees that I > > fleetingly passed by at > > > times > > > > > and > > > > > > at others had the privilege to observe > > longer and closely, > > > > without > > > > > > knowing what exactly I was observing and > > capturing on the > > > > > harddrive > > > > > > or CCD between my ears! > > > > > > > > > > > > The human being has this uncanny power of > > capturing reality > > > > within > > > > > > its mind and then projecting it out as the > > perceived reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment. We are really like > > jet-pilots in a > > cockpit > > > > > that > > > > > > has all kinds of scopes and gauges and > > transducers and > > > sensors. > > > > We > > > > > > think we do, but none of us really touches > > or perceives truly > > > > > > the 'reality'. When you touch a succulent > > orange, see its > > > > colours, > > > > > > smell its tantalizing aroma, then slice it > > and enjoy its > > taste > > > > and > > > > > > fragrance -- you - whatever this *you* > > represents is being > > > > > > experienced vicariously, by proxy. Your > > sensors are > > > experiencing > > > > > the > > > > > > reality that you think you are experiencing, > > > > these 'reporters' > > > > > then > > > > > > send their messages to the control-room > > (brain) where the > > > > > electrical > > > > > > bips and blips are perceived as reality. > > Such is the > > grandness > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > illusion that we begin thinking that <we> > > actually experience > > > > > reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > Only when the sensors go out of commission > > for one reason or > > > > > another > > > > > > (could be as simple as a cold which throws > > off our sense of > > > > smell, > > > > > or > > > > > > blindness, or numbness, or paralysis etc) > > that we realize > > that > > > > our > > > > > > direct perception of reality was not direct. > > The reality did > > > not > > > > > > change, only our perception did! > > > > > > > > > > > > The heart senses God and divinity. Given our > > lifelong > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Dear brother, .... and all fauna, and flora too! All creation if possible! RR , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear RRji > > till now i was only propagating that love knows only giving and also > that love is god. by equating love with the living god sun who > gives light to all, you are saying "LOVE IS LIGHT". this is a > wonderful dimension of viewing love and we all must spread as much > light (love) as we can to as many people as we can. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > (humility is the hallmark of maturity) > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > Hah! Talk about covering all the bases! (in your multi-religion > > example!) > > > > As I read your signature, it occurred to me that love does not > beget > > love but only propagates love! Subtle difference? Love is a > positive, > > always giving {energy}. Like the Sun that just gives and projects > > outwards and never receives or cares for receiving anything back. > > > > Hate is like the blackhole, it receives, and the mass shrinks till > it > > becomes infinitely small and dense. Then another universe begins > as > > it must by Brahma's decree. You can tell I am reading Parallel > > Universe by Kaku, again! It is complex and interesting -- a must > read > > for serious astrologers. > > > > RR > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > > in most parts of delhi and surrounding areas, construction of a > > > makeshift temple with a small stone painted in red as hanuman or > > > some shivling or some other statue is the first step to grab the > > > government land. soon with public donations a big temple will > be > > > built and spans overs several acres. then they construct > several > > > shops all around the temple and either sell or rent them. this > is > > > the case with many temples, mosques, gurudwaras and other holy > > > places of worship. delhi's shahdara area has a unique case > where > > > the land grabbers were so friendly that to strenghten the case > of > > > land grabbing, they built a huge temple, a mosque and a > gurudwara > > > all in juxtaposition so that the government dare not demolish > them. > > > > > > unfortunately, this is expected in kaliyug and we cannot reform > > this > > > social practice. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > (love begets love, hate begets hate) > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > > > > > You must have seen those spots during your travel where > someone > > > found > > > > a stone, painted it red and it became a shrine for > Bajrangbali! > > In > > > my > > > > younger days, I used to smile at these as I rode the bus in > > madhya > > > > pradesh. The stone effigies and icons looked alike and I can > > > hardly > > > > recall any of those in details some thirty-forty years later, > > > today. > > > > Strangely, I can vividly recall even today the faces and > > > expressions > > > > in the eyes of the devotees that I fleetingly passed by at > times > > > and > > > > at others had the privilege to observe longer and closely, > > without > > > > knowing what exactly I was observing and capturing on the > > > harddrive > > > > or CCD between my ears! > > > > > > > > The human being has this uncanny power of capturing reality > > within > > > > its mind and then projecting it out as the perceived reality. > > > > > > > > Think for a moment. We are really like jet-pilots in a cockpit > > > that > > > > has all kinds of scopes and gauges and transducers and > sensors. > > We > > > > think we do, but none of us really touches or perceives truly > > > > the 'reality'. When you touch a succulent orange, see its > > colours, > > > > smell its tantalizing aroma, then slice it and enjoy its taste > > and > > > > fragrance -- you - whatever this *you* represents is being > > > > experienced vicariously, by proxy. Your sensors are > experiencing > > > the > > > > reality that you think you are experiencing, these 'reporters' > > > then > > > > send their messages to the control-room (brain) where the > > > electrical > > > > bips and blips are perceived as reality. Such is the grandness > of > > > the > > > > illusion that we begin thinking that <we> actually experience > > > reality. > > > > > > > > Only when the sensors go out of commission for one reason or > > > another > > > > (could be as simple as a cold which throws off our sense of > > smell, > > > or > > > > blindness, or numbness, or paralysis etc) that we realize that > > our > > > > direct perception of reality was not direct. The reality did > not > > > > change, only our perception did! > > > > > > > > The heart senses God and divinity. Given our lifelong > > conditioning > > > > through experiencing reality, ALL reality through our senses, > we > > > try > > > > to create images and effigies, and icons. Why should that be > so > > > > unusual? This iconization of inner reality manifests in many > > other > > > > forms, some more down to earth! The posters of their favorite > > > > sportsmen, their favorite singers or film starts by young > people > > > all > > > > over the globe. Even 'emancipated' <gone beyond religion > > > superstition! > > > > > communist countries parade with greater than lifesize > pictures > > > of > > > > their leaders and inspired statesmen (Their gods!) and throngs > of > > > > millions surround and pay homage to PHYSICAL sacred spots > after > > > > enduring a difficult journey, year after year! Are they not > > > > worshiping an ICON? What difference does it make whether it is > a > > > > human figure, a cross, an edifice or just a star or another > > object? > > > > > > > > The only way to get rid of our inherent icon-idol worshipping > > > human > > > > nature can start only after we rid ourselves of all senses. > That > > > is > > > > what meditation is supposed to be all about. Burning effigies, > > > > killing others who worship idols or different idols will only > > > pollute > > > > the environment more, physically, mentally and spiritually! > > > > > > > > Ever heard of properly done meditation killing anyone? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > Suryaji is blessed for he has found his own path, very few > of > > us > > > > get > > > > > so fortunate to be so committed to be able to walk on one > path > > > > > without deviating from within and without. > > > > > However, he is not discussing with any of us, he is simply > > > telling > > > > > us of his path and according to him the best path, if not, > the > > > only > > > > > path. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > , "Bharat Hindu > > > Astrology" > > > > > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Surya > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem in discussing matters with you is that you put > > > words > > > > and > > > > > > sentences even when noone has spoken or written them. Did > I > > > > mention > > > > > anything > > > > > > about what to offer as sacrifice, etc? If you are keen on > > > giving > > > > > long > > > > > > lectures without anyone's asking, it is fine with me. I > was > > > just > > > > > wondering > > > > > > how come Lord Krishna never spoke a word of Bhagavad Gita > to > > > > > Arjuna, before > > > > > > he asked for it. After all, Lord Krishna was related to > > Arjuna > > > > and > > > > > lived > > > > > > with him for many years prior to the Mahabharata war. > > > > > > > > > > > > It looks like that you may have a different view of when > to > > > speak > > > > > and when > > > > > > not to. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, coming to your self proclaimed topic - If one has > > > > > devotion, he/she > > > > > > is free to express it in any way he/she likes. To call one > > > method > > > > > foolish to > > > > > > the other, is foolishness. For you stone is unconscious - > for > > > > > others stone > > > > > > is not a stone but the Lord itself. One sees the Jadam and > > the > > > > > other the > > > > > > Supreme Being. One sees food is wasted, the other see it > > > consumed > > > > > by the > > > > > > expression of the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, do not try to assume superiority of "your" > > > > methods. > > > > > Let Lord > > > > > > decide that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/17/06, surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if you treat the Lord as the statue in your prayer > > > room, > > > > > stop > > > > > > > all these traditional foolish activity and be real. > Since > > > the > > > > > statue > > > > > > > cannot eat the food, don't offer the food. Since the > statue > > > is > > > > not > > > > > > > having life, don't put flowers, don't lit the oil lamp > when > > > the > > > > > > > light is present, don't burn the fume sticks and > camphor, > > > don't > > > > > > > break the coconut etc., You see the beauty of the Lord > in > > > the > > > > > statue > > > > > > > or photo and fix your eyes. Develop attraction and love. > > > > Remember > > > > > > > His qualities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is darkness, lit the lamp. To remove the > darkness, > > > > only > > > > > oil > > > > > > > lamp is not needed. The alternative electric light is > > there. > > > > Avoid > > > > > > > the oil lamp in order to avoid the pollution. If you > want > > > good > > > > > > > smell, burn the fume stick. Burning the camphor has no > use > > > and > > > > > > > moreover it causes pollution. To satisfy your vision you > can > > > > > > > decorate the statue with flowers. What ever you do, you > do > > > for > > > > > your > > > > > > > self-satisfaction, which is the fruit for all your > actions. > > > You > > > > > can > > > > > > > offer the food to the statue, but it is for your > > > satisfaction > > > > only > > > > > > > and don't expect any extra fruit from the Lord. You can > > > break > > > > the > > > > > > > coconut before the Lord and offer the broken pieces of > > > coconut > > > > to > > > > > > > the Lord. But you are eating the coconut. Don't ask the > > Lord > > > > for > > > > > any > > > > > > > fruit for breaking the coconut. Therefore you can do all > > > these > > > > > > > things before statues and photos with a divine feeling > as > > if > > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > > offering to the Lord. Your feeling is definitely better > > than > > > the > > > > > > > feeling of an atheist. But what I say is that by such > > > feelings > > > > you > > > > > > > have attained peace, satisfaction and happiness in your > > > mind. > > > > > Please > > > > > > > do not ask anything from the Lord because your sacrifice > is > > > not > > > > a > > > > > > > real practical sacrifice. It is only the sacrifice of > your > > > > words > > > > > and > > > > > > > feelings. This is not wrong as far as you don't ask for > any > > > > fruit > > > > > > > for such actions. Once you ask the fruit from the Lord > for > > > such > > > > > > > sacrifice of words and feelings, all those rituals > become > > > > fooling > > > > > > > the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not against the rituals but I am against you if you > > say > > > > that > > > > > > > you have practically sacrificed to the Lord through > those > > > > rituals > > > > > > > and if you ask for some real fruit from the Lord. By all > > > these > > > > > > > things you have obtained peace and happiness in your > heart. > > > Very > > > > > > > good! Be satisfied with that fruit. Don't boast that you > > have > > > > > > > sacrificed something to the Lord and therefore don't > expect > > > any > > > > > > > fruit from the Lord. If you say that you have sacrificed > to > > > the > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > by these rituals, which are only sacrifice of words and > > > > feelings, > > > > > > > you are the biggest actor and all your rituals are the > > > dramatic > > > > > > > actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to sacrifice really to the Lord, search for > the > > > > human > > > > > > > form of the Lord, with the help of Veda and do any > little > > > > > sacrifice, > > > > > > > what ever you can. In such sacrifice if you aspire > anything > > > in > > > > > > > return, you will get the fruit, which is just equal to > your > > > > > > > sacrifice. If you sacrifice one rupee, He will give you > one > > > > > > > chocolate. If you sacrifice two rupees, He will give you > two > > > > > > > chocolates. Let the business be justified. Don't expect > ten > > > > > > > chocolates for one rupee. But if you are not aspiring > any > > > fruit > > > > > for > > > > > > > your sacrifice, which is the real love similar to the > real > > > love > > > > > > > shown to your children, then the Lord will give you > > infinite > > > > real > > > > > > > fruit in a proper place at the appropriate time. Since > you > > > are > > > > not > > > > > > > aspiring for the fruit, you leave the right place and > right > > > > time > > > > > to > > > > > > > the decision of the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > > > > > > > surya > > > > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Till date, I haven't seen any person pray to an idol. > All > > > I > > > > have > > > > > > > seen is people pray to God. I am yet to meet a single > > person > > > who > > > > > > > goes in front of a picture or a stone and says - "Hey > > > Stone!". > > > > > > > Recognition of the Lord in one and everything, is > divine. > > > This > > > > is > > > > > > > what Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa showed Sri Narendranath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I reserve my further comments on your writings about > > Srimad > > > > > > > Bhagavad Geeta. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > > > RELISH THE > > > > > > > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Ranjanda, Then where is the solution, I have the answer already! And each time I look at it, the solution is missing and I am referring to something tangible and which can be grasped by the senses!! regards rishi , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Rishi, > > Last mile of this journey does not sound as final as the last journey! > > In at least one major religion, as concepts go -- the Last Supper was > closely followed by promises of the Second Coming! > > In my ant's view Religions and their scriptures are historical > accounts of ancient cultures. Human cultures! > > The Awatars and Prophets described in such accounts are nothing but > the maximum potential that any human being can achieve or at least > strive for! > > ranjan > > > > > , rishi shukla > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Yes, always the last mile which is hardest and one > > goes to the wrong turning! > > > > rishi > > > > --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > > > You replied to the wrong post ;-) > > > > > > ranjan > > > > > > , > > > "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What did I do? > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal > > > pages" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > > > Hah! Talk about covering all the bases! (in your > > > multi-religion > > > > > example!) > > > > > > > > > > As I read your signature, it occurred to me that > > > love does not > > > > beget > > > > > love but only propagates love! Subtle > > > difference? Love is a > > > > positive, > > > > > always giving {energy}. Like the Sun that just > > > gives and projects > > > > > outwards and never receives or cares for > > > receiving anything back. > > > > > > > > > > Hate is like the blackhole, it receives, and the > > > mass shrinks > > > till > > > > it > > > > > becomes infinitely small and dense. Then another > > > universe begins > > > > as > > > > > it must by Brahma's decree. You can tell I am > > > reading Parallel > > > > > Universe by Kaku, again! It is complex and > > > interesting -- a must > > > > read > > > > > for serious astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "panditarjun2004" > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > > > > > > > > in most parts of delhi and surrounding areas, > > > construction of a > > > > > > makeshift temple with a small stone painted in > > > red as hanuman > > > or > > > > > > some shivling or some other statue is the > > > first step to grab > > > the > > > > > > government land. soon with public donations a > > > big temple will > > > > be > > > > > > built and spans overs several acres. then > > > they construct > > > > several > > > > > > shops all around the temple and either sell or > > > rent them. this > > > > is > > > > > > the case with many temples, mosques, > > > gurudwaras and other holy > > > > > > places of worship. delhi's shahdara area has > > > a unique case > > > > where > > > > > > the land grabbers were so friendly that to > > > strenghten the case > > > > of > > > > > > land grabbing, they built a huge temple, a > > > mosque and a > > > > gurudwara > > > > > > all in juxtaposition so that the government > > > dare not demolish > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately, this is expected in kaliyug and > > > we cannot reform > > > > > this > > > > > > social practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > (love begets love, hate begets hate) > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "crystal pages" > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must have seen those spots during your > > > travel where > > > > someone > > > > > > found > > > > > > > a stone, painted it red and it became a > > > shrine for > > > > Bajrangbali! > > > > > In > > > > > > my > > > > > > > younger days, I used to smile at these as I > > > rode the bus in > > > > > madhya > > > > > > > pradesh. The stone effigies and icons looked > > > alike and I can > > > > > > hardly > > > > > > > recall any of those in details some > > > thirty-forty years later, > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > Strangely, I can vividly recall even today > > > the faces and > > > > > > expressions > > > > > > > in the eyes of the devotees that I > > > fleetingly passed by at > > > > times > > > > > > and > > > > > > > at others had the privilege to observe > > > longer and closely, > > > > > without > > > > > > > knowing what exactly I was observing and > > > capturing on the > > > > > > harddrive > > > > > > > or CCD between my ears! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The human being has this uncanny power of > > > capturing reality > > > > > within > > > > > > > its mind and then projecting it out as the > > > perceived reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment. We are really like > > > jet-pilots in a > > > cockpit > > > > > > that > > > > > > > has all kinds of scopes and gauges and > > > transducers and > > > > sensors. > > > > > We > > > > > > > think we do, but none of us really touches > > > or perceives truly > > > > > > > the 'reality'. When you touch a succulent > > > orange, see its > > > > > colours, > > > > > > > smell its tantalizing aroma, then slice it > > > and enjoy its > > > taste > > > > > and > > > > > > > fragrance -- you - whatever this *you* > > > represents is being > > > > > > > experienced vicariously, by proxy. Your > > > sensors are > > > > experiencing > > > > > > the > > > > > > > reality that you think you are experiencing, > > > > > > these 'reporters' > > > > > > then > > > > > > > send their messages to the control-room > > > (brain) where the > > > > > > electrical > > > > > > > bips and blips are perceived as reality. > > > Such is the > > > grandness > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > illusion that we begin thinking that <we> > > > actually experience > > > > > > reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only when the sensors go out of commission > > > for one reason or > > > > > > another > > > > > > > (could be as simple as a cold which throws > > > off our sense of > > > > > smell, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > blindness, or numbness, or paralysis etc) > > > that we realize > > > that > > > > > our > > > > > > > direct perception of reality was not direct. > > > The reality did > > > > not > > > > > > > change, only our perception did! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The heart senses God and divinity. 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Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Wiser souls than you or i have spent lifetimes on this 'gutthi' for centuries and have changed the "driver's manual" from time to time and the editing and alteration still continues. Is it because they did not know OR the automobile is changing and evolving, just as the drivers are too? At least you have the answer! All I have are questions, many questions. As I mentioned in an earlier posting, senses can be deceptive for they are too close to the body, even a part of it, and body is not forever. That is the only certainty in this world. But not the finality!! ranjan , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > > Ranjanda, > > Then where is the solution, I have the answer already! > And each time I look at it, the solution is missing and I am > referring to something tangible and which can be grasped by the > senses!! > regards > rishi > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > Last mile of this journey does not sound as final as the last > journey! > > > > In at least one major religion, as concepts go -- the Last Supper > was > > closely followed by promises of the Second Coming! > > > > In my ant's view Religions and their scriptures are historical > > accounts of ancient cultures. Human cultures! > > > > The Awatars and Prophets described in such accounts are nothing > but > > the maximum potential that any human being can achieve or at least > > strive for! > > > > ranjan > > > > > > > > > > , rishi shukla > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, always the last mile which is hardest and one > > > goes to the wrong turning! > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > > > > > You replied to the wrong post ;-) > > > > > > > > ranjan > > > > > > > > , > > > > "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did I do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal > > > > pages" > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Hah! Talk about covering all the bases! (in your > > > > multi-religion > > > > > > example!) > > > > > > > > > > > > As I read your signature, it occurred to me that > > > > love does not > > > > > beget > > > > > > love but only propagates love! Subtle > > > > difference? Love is a > > > > > positive, > > > > > > always giving {energy}. Like the Sun that just > > > > gives and projects > > > > > > outwards and never receives or cares for > > > > receiving anything back. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hate is like the blackhole, it receives, and the > > > > mass shrinks > > > > till > > > > > it > > > > > > becomes infinitely small and dense. Then another > > > > universe begins > > > > > as > > > > > > it must by Brahma's decree. You can tell I am > > > > reading Parallel > > > > > > Universe by Kaku, again! It is complex and > > > > interesting -- a must > > > > > read > > > > > > for serious astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "panditarjun2004" > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in most parts of delhi and surrounding areas, > > > > construction of a > > > > > > > makeshift temple with a small stone painted in > > > > red as hanuman > > > > or > > > > > > > some shivling or some other statue is the > > > > first step to grab > > > > the > > > > > > > government land. soon with public donations a > > > > big temple will > > > > > be > > > > > > > built and spans overs several acres. then > > > > they construct > > > > > several > > > > > > > shops all around the temple and either sell or > > > > rent them. this > > > > > is > > > > > > > the case with many temples, mosques, > > > > gurudwaras and other holy > > > > > > > places of worship. delhi's shahdara area has > > > > a unique case > > > > > where > > > > > > > the land grabbers were so friendly that to > > > > strenghten the case > > > > > of > > > > > > > land grabbing, they built a huge temple, a > > > > mosque and a > > > > > gurudwara > > > > > > > all in juxtaposition so that the government > > > > dare not demolish > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately, this is expected in kaliyug and > > > > we cannot reform > > > > > > this > > > > > > > social practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > (love begets love, hate begets hate) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "crystal pages" > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must have seen those spots during your > > > > travel where > > > > > someone > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > a stone, painted it red and it became a > > > > shrine for > > > > > Bajrangbali! > > > > > > In > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > younger days, I used to smile at these as I > > > > rode the bus in > > > > > > madhya > > > > > > > > pradesh. The stone effigies and icons looked > > > > alike and I can > > > > > > > hardly > > > > > > > > recall any of those in details some > > > > thirty-forty years later, > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > Strangely, I can vividly recall even today > > > > the faces and > > > > > > > expressions > > > > > > > > in the eyes of the devotees that I > > > > fleetingly passed by at > > > > > times > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > at others had the privilege to observe > > > > longer and closely, > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > knowing what exactly I was observing and > > > > capturing on the > > > > > > > harddrive > > > > > > > > or CCD between my ears! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The human being has this uncanny power of > > > > capturing reality > > > > > > within > > > > > > > > its mind and then projecting it out as the > > > > perceived reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment. We are really like > > > > jet-pilots in a > > > > cockpit > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > has all kinds of scopes and gauges and > > > > transducers and > > > > > sensors. > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > think we do, but none of us really touches > > > > or perceives truly > > > > > > > > the 'reality'. When you touch a succulent > > > > orange, see its > > > > > > colours, > > > > > > > > smell its tantalizing aroma, then slice it > > > > and enjoy its > > > > taste > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > fragrance -- you - whatever this *you* > > > > represents is being > > > > > > > > experienced vicariously, by proxy. Your > > > > sensors are > > > > > experiencing > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > reality that you think you are experiencing, > > > > > > > > these 'reporters' > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > send their messages to the control-room > > > > (brain) where the > > > > > > > electrical > > > > > > > > bips and blips are perceived as reality. > > > > Such is the > > > > grandness > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > illusion that we begin thinking that <we> > > > > actually experience > > > > > > > reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only when the sensors go out of commission > > > > for one reason or > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > (could be as simple as a cold which throws > > > > off our sense of > > > > > > smell, > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > blindness, or numbness, or paralysis etc) > > > > that we realize > > > > that > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > direct perception of reality was not direct. > > > > The reality did > > > > > not > > > > > > > > change, only our perception did! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The heart senses God and divinity. Given our > > > > lifelong > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Have no claims for wisdom just for curiosity. Help me for...... I do have the answer this time, no red herring, no wildgoose chase but real solid tangible proof which can withstand all sorts of rigorous scrutiny but the exact solution eludes me. Will wait, whatelse can one do? rishi , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Wiser souls than you or i have spent lifetimes on this 'gutthi' for > centuries and have changed the "driver's manual" from time to time > and the editing and alteration still continues. Is it because they > did not know OR the automobile is changing and evolving, just as the > drivers are too? > > At least you have the answer! All I have are questions, many > questions. > > As I mentioned in an earlier posting, senses can be deceptive for > they are too close to the body, even a part of it, and body is not > forever. That is the only certainty in this world. But not the > finality!! > > ranjan > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Ranjanda, > > > > Then where is the solution, I have the answer already! > > And each time I look at it, the solution is missing and I am > > referring to something tangible and which can be grasped by the > > senses!! > > regards > > rishi > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > > > Last mile of this journey does not sound as final as the last > > journey! > > > > > > In at least one major religion, as concepts go -- the Last Supper > > was > > > closely followed by promises of the Second Coming! > > > > > > In my ant's view Religions and their scriptures are historical > > > accounts of ancient cultures. Human cultures! > > > > > > The Awatars and Prophets described in such accounts are nothing > > but > > > the maximum potential that any human being can achieve or at > least > > > strive for! > > > > > > ranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rishi shukla > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, always the last mile which is hardest and one > > > > goes to the wrong turning! > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > > > > > > > You replied to the wrong post ;-) > > > > > > > > > > ranjan > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did I do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal > > > > > pages" > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hah! Talk about covering all the bases! (in your > > > > > multi-religion > > > > > > > example!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I read your signature, it occurred to me that > > > > > love does not > > > > > > beget > > > > > > > love but only propagates love! Subtle > > > > > difference? Love is a > > > > > > positive, > > > > > > > always giving {energy}. Like the Sun that just > > > > > gives and projects > > > > > > > outwards and never receives or cares for > > > > > receiving anything back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hate is like the blackhole, it receives, and the > > > > > mass shrinks > > > > > till > > > > > > it > > > > > > > becomes infinitely small and dense. Then another > > > > > universe begins > > > > > > as > > > > > > > it must by Brahma's decree. You can tell I am > > > > > reading Parallel > > > > > > > Universe by Kaku, again! It is complex and > > > > > interesting -- a must > > > > > > read > > > > > > > for serious astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > "panditarjun2004" > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in most parts of delhi and surrounding areas, > > > > > construction of a > > > > > > > > makeshift temple with a small stone painted in > > > > > red as hanuman > > > > > or > > > > > > > > some shivling or some other statue is the > > > > > first step to grab > > > > > the > > > > > > > > government land. soon with public donations a > > > > > big temple will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > built and spans overs several acres. then > > > > > they construct > > > > > > several > > > > > > > > shops all around the temple and either sell or > > > > > rent them. this > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the case with many temples, mosques, > > > > > gurudwaras and other holy > > > > > > > > places of worship. delhi's shahdara area has > > > > > a unique case > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > the land grabbers were so friendly that to > > > > > strenghten the case > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > land grabbing, they built a huge temple, a > > > > > mosque and a > > > > > > gurudwara > > > > > > > > all in juxtaposition so that the government > > > > > dare not demolish > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately, this is expected in kaliyug and > > > > > we cannot reform > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > social practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > (love begets love, hate begets hate) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > "crystal pages" > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rishi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must have seen those spots during your > > > > > travel where > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > a stone, painted it red and it became a > > > > > shrine for > > > > > > Bajrangbali! > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > younger days, I used to smile at these as I > > > > > rode the bus in > > > > > > > madhya > > > > > > > > > pradesh. The stone effigies and icons looked > > > > > alike and I can > > > > > > > > hardly > > > > > > > > > recall any of those in details some > > > > > thirty-forty years later, > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > Strangely, I can vividly recall even today > > > > > the faces and > > > > > > > > expressions > > > > > > > > > in the eyes of the devotees that I > > > > > fleetingly passed by at > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > at others had the privilege to observe > > > > > longer and closely, > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > knowing what exactly I was observing and > > > > > capturing on the > > > > > > > > harddrive > > > > > > > > > or CCD between my ears! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The human being has this uncanny power of > > > > > capturing reality > > > > > > > within > > > > > > > > > its mind and then projecting it out as the > > > > > perceived reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment. We are really like > > > > > jet-pilots in a > > > > > cockpit > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > has all kinds of scopes and gauges and > > > > > transducers and > > > > > > sensors. > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > think we do, but none of us really touches > > > > > or perceives truly > > > > > > > > > the 'reality'. When you touch a succulent > > > > > orange, see its > > > > > > > colours, > > > > > > > > > smell its tantalizing aroma, then slice it > > > > > and enjoy its > > > > > taste > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > fragrance -- you - whatever this *you* > > > > > represents is being > > > > > > > > > experienced vicariously, by proxy. Your > > > > > sensors are > > > > > > experiencing > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > reality that you think you are experiencing, > > > > > > > > > > these 'reporters' > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > send their messages to the control-room > > > > > (brain) where the > > > > > > > > electrical > > > > > > > > > bips and blips are perceived as reality. > > > > > Such is the > > > > > grandness > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > illusion that we begin thinking that <we> > > > > > actually experience > > > > > > > > reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only when the sensors go out of commission > > > > > for one reason or > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > (could be as simple as a cold which throws > > > > > off our sense of > > > > > > > smell, > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > blindness, or numbness, or paralysis etc) > > > > > that we realize > > > > > that > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > direct perception of reality was not direct. > > > > > The reality did > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > change, only our perception did! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The heart senses God and divinity. 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Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Devotion means love on Lord. Do you think that the love associated with all the worldly relations is also devotion? Definitely, it is not devotion. Also every human being is not Lord. If you love all the human beings in the world, that is also not devotion. Theists are ready to love anybody or anything (living & non living beings) on the earth except Lord. But when trouble comes, they approach the Lord for solution. Even if entire creation is loved, that is not devotion. Devotion means love on Lord. Only devotion can save you but not the love on the entire creation. Sometimes they interpret by loving everybody, they are loving lord. But, everybody is not Lord. Infact, if your logic is true, why so many people are worshipping Jesus, Krishna as Lord? Are they fools? I am not saying anything against your love on creation. Let it be there. But I suggest you to show simultaneously a little bit of real love on Lord also. Actually Lord is not bothered of our love to Him. But it becomes the responsibility of ours to be faithful to Him. Atheists are denying the Lord and theists are forgetting the Lord. It is same in essence. Hence both are not eligible for any grace of Lord. This is the topmost problem present as of now in the world. Service is the proof of the real love. The mother serves her child by sacrifice of work like giving bath, dressing etc., for years together continuously. The father serves the child by sacrifice of fruit of his entire hard work. It is a clear practical point that the proof of the real love is only service. If you serve your family, you love your family. If you serve the entire world, you love the creation. If you serve the creator, you love the creator. It is a very simple point. Very little money is sufficient to eat and drink which the animals and birds also do even without money. If the aim of the money is only to eat, drink and enjoy, how is a human being different from an animal or bird or worm? If the file is opened in upper world, you will not get definitely the human birth. When you serve the Lord in this world, who comes in human form then only, can you get human birth without any enquiry in order to serve Him when He reincarnates. Human birth, urge for salvation and to come in contact with the human incarnation are the three real fortunes and the importance increases from left to right in the order (Manushyatvam, Mumukshatvam, Mahapurasha Samsrayah Durlabham—Shankara). Therefore, simply human birth and to have the urge by taking orange robe are not sufficient. Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the right knowledge for correct implementation, everything is waste. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear RRji > > till now i was only propagating that love knows only giving and also > that love is god. by equating love with the living god sun who > gives light to all, you are saying "LOVE IS LIGHT". this is a > wonderful dimension of viewing love and we all must spread as much > light (love) as we can to as many people as we can. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > (humility is the hallmark of maturity) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Surya-Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the right knowledgefor correct implementation, everything is waste. Bhaskar says- So do that dear. Please contact the Lord in human Form,dont contact us ordinary mortals and small devotees. , "surya" <dattapr2000 wrote: > > Devotion means love on Lord. Do you think that the love associated > with all the worldly relations is also devotion? Definitely, it is not > devotion. Also every human being is not Lord. If you love all the > human beings in the world, that is also not devotion. > > Theists are ready to love anybody or anything (living & non living > beings) on the earth except Lord. But when trouble comes, they > approach the Lord for solution. Even if entire creation is loved, that > is not devotion. Devotion means love on Lord. Only devotion can save > you but not the love on the entire creation. Sometimes they interpret > by loving everybody, they are loving lord. But, everybody is not Lord. > Infact, if your logic is true, why so many people are worshipping > Jesus, Krishna as Lord? Are they fools? > > I am not saying anything against your love on creation. Let it be > there. But I suggest you to show simultaneously a little bit of real > love on Lord also. Actually Lord is not bothered of our love to Him. > But it becomes the responsibility of ours to be faithful to Him. > Atheists are denying the Lord and theists are forgetting the Lord. It > is same in essence. Hence both are not eligible for any grace of Lord. > This is the topmost problem present as of now in the world. > > Service is the proof of the real love. The mother serves her child by > sacrifice of work like giving bath, dressing etc., for years together > continuously. The father serves the child by sacrifice of fruit of his > entire hard work. It is a clear practical point that the proof of the > real love is only service. If you serve your family, you love your > family. If you serve the entire world, you love the creation. If you > serve the creator, you love the creator. It is a very simple point. > > Very little money is sufficient to eat and drink which the animals and > birds also do even without money. If the aim of the money is only to > eat, drink and enjoy, how is a human being different from an animal or > bird or worm? If the file is opened in upper world, you will not get > definitely the human birth. When you serve the Lord in this world, who > comes in human form then only, can you get human birth without any > enquiry in order to serve Him when He reincarnates. > > Human birth, urge for salvation and to come in contact with the human > incarnation are the three real fortunes and the importance increases > from left to right in the order (Manushyatvam, Mumukshatvam, > Mahapurasha Samsrayah Durlabham—Shankara). Therefore, simply human > birth and to have the urge by taking orange robe are not sufficient. > Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the right knowledge > for correct implementation, everything is waste. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > dear RRji > > > > till now i was only propagating that love knows only giving and also > > that love is god. by equating love with the living god sun who > > gives light to all, you are saying "LOVE IS LIGHT". this is a > > wonderful dimension of viewing love and we all must spread as much > > light (love) as we can to as many people as we can. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > (humility is the hallmark of maturity) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Surya says- -Devotion means love on Lord. Do you think that the love associated > with all the worldly relations is also devotion? Definitely, it is not > devotion. Also every human being is not Lord. If you love all the > human beings in the world, that is also not devotion. Bhaskar replies- So Dear why do You contact the wordly relations in whom God or devotion is not there,for funding Your activities ? Why not contact the Lord himself. Dear You dont have basic understanding that God is there in every human being, but every human being is not in God, and You talk big big sermons on Vedas, Gita etc. -- In , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Surya-Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the right > knowledgefor correct implementation, everything is waste. > > Bhaskar says- So do that dear. Please contact the Lord in human > Form,dont contact us ordinary mortals and small devotees. > > > > , "surya" <dattapr2000@> > wrote: > > > > Devotion means love on Lord. Do you think that the love associated > > with all the worldly relations is also devotion? Definitely, it is > not > > devotion. Also every human being is not Lord. If you love all the > > human beings in the world, that is also not devotion. > > > > Theists are ready to love anybody or anything (living & non living > > beings) on the earth except Lord. But when trouble comes, they > > approach the Lord for solution. Even if entire creation is loved, > that > > is not devotion. Devotion means love on Lord. Only devotion can > save > > you but not the love on the entire creation. Sometimes they > interpret > > by loving everybody, they are loving lord. But, everybody is not > Lord. > > Infact, if your logic is true, why so many people are worshipping > > Jesus, Krishna as Lord? Are they fools? > > > > I am not saying anything against your love on creation. Let it be > > there. But I suggest you to show simultaneously a little bit of > real > > love on Lord also. Actually Lord is not bothered of our love to > Him. > > But it becomes the responsibility of ours to be faithful to Him. > > Atheists are denying the Lord and theists are forgetting the Lord. > It > > is same in essence. Hence both are not eligible for any grace of > Lord. > > This is the topmost problem present as of now in the world. > > > > Service is the proof of the real love. The mother serves her child > by > > sacrifice of work like giving bath, dressing etc., for years > together > > continuously. The father serves the child by sacrifice of fruit of > his > > entire hard work. It is a clear practical point that the proof of > the > > real love is only service. If you serve your family, you love your > > family. If you serve the entire world, you love the creation. If > you > > serve the creator, you love the creator. It is a very simple point. > > > > Very little money is sufficient to eat and drink which the animals > and > > birds also do even without money. If the aim of the money is only > to > > eat, drink and enjoy, how is a human being different from an animal > or > > bird or worm? If the file is opened in upper world, you will not > get > > definitely the human birth. When you serve the Lord in this world, > who > > comes in human form then only, can you get human birth without any > > enquiry in order to serve Him when He reincarnates. > > > > Human birth, urge for salvation and to come in contact with the > human > > incarnation are the three real fortunes and the importance > increases > > from left to right in the order (Manushyatvam, Mumukshatvam, > > Mahapurasha Samsrayah Durlabham—Shankara). Therefore, simply human > > birth and to have the urge by taking orange robe are not > sufficient. > > Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the right > knowledge > > for correct implementation, everything is waste. > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > dear RRji > > > > > > till now i was only propagating that love knows only giving and > also > > > that love is god. by equating love with the living god sun who > > > gives light to all, you are saying "LOVE IS LIGHT". this is a > > > wonderful dimension of viewing love and we all must spread as > much > > > light (love) as we can to as many people as we can. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > (humility is the hallmark of maturity) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 dear friend I am also a human being like you. I am not claiming lordship nor am I collecting funds from people. I am saying we have to identify the Lord in human form by His divine knowledge and then serve Him practically by physical participation and by donating money in His mission. I am only part of the mission of swamiji. I don't have any mission of mine separately. You are treating me as your enemy and making all your attempts to fire me. my dear friend because of this bent, you are not even reading my posts clearly. but straight away attacking me. I sincerely request you to go through my posts and then attack me. i am not going anywhere. I will read all your mails and try to reply even if you do not want to read my replies. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > >> Surya-Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the right >> knowledgefor correct implementation, everything is waste. > > Bhaskar says- So do that dear. Please contact the Lord in human > Form,dont contact us ordinary mortals and small devotees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Dear Suryaji, Let us not make enemies of each other, I see no enemy,never have seen and God forbid never shall see. Just another human like me having part of the Parmatma ,created by the Parmatma. Please do not bother to reply my mails. Its not necessary. I am not trying to prove anything. I had earlier stopped reading Your mails because could not identify with Your extreme uplifted philosphies, as I am still in the Bhakti,Japa and Mantra Yoga level. Not able to come out of that. I also understand that You are just a instrument and not the actual Cause. Please carry on Your mission but try not to in any way give seperate meanings to what has been mentioned in the scriptures that is all I request You. You will now in future not get any interferance from me. If You think I have attacked You I beg to be forgiven. I was just attacking the philosphy projected and not the person. Nothing personal. At least You are better than many. You are making people read Gods name in Your mails, so we are able to do some chanting somehow. Regards, Bhaskar. , "surya" <dattapr2000 wrote: > > dear friend > > I am also a human being like you. I am not claiming lordship nor am > I collecting funds from people. I am saying we have to identify the > Lord in human form by His divine knowledge and then serve Him > practically by physical participation and by donating money in His > mission. I am only part of the mission of swamiji. I don't have any > mission of mine separately. > > You are treating me as your enemy and making all your attempts to > fire me. my dear friend because of this bent, you are not even > reading my posts clearly. but straight away attacking me. > > I sincerely request you to go through my posts and then attack me. i > am not going anywhere. I will read all your mails and try to reply > even if you do not want to read my replies. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > >> Surya-Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the right > >> knowledgefor correct implementation, everything is waste. > > > > Bhaskar says- So do that dear. Please contact the Lord in human > > Form,dont contact us ordinary mortals and small devotees. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 dear surya ji I even consider the dog, i feed as lord bheru...i have enough reasons and proof of his blessings..is there anything wrong? regards / Prafulla Gang Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight.. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime? > > dattapr2000 > Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:04:37 -0000 > > Re: Idol Worship <my two cents> > > dear friend > > I am also a human being like you. I am not claiming lordship nor am > I collecting funds from people. I am saying we have to identify the > Lord in human form by His divine knowledge and then serve Him > practically by physical participation and by donating money in His > mission. I am only part of the mission of swamiji. I don't have any > mission of mine separately. > > You are treating me as your enemy and making all your attempts to > fire me. my dear friend because of this bent, you are not even > reading my posts clearly. but straight away attacking me. > > I sincerely request you to go through my posts and then attack me. i > am not going anywhere. I will read all your mails and try to reply > even if you do not want to read my replies. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: >> >>> Surya-Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the right >>> knowledgefor correct implementation, everything is waste. >> >> Bhaskar says- So do that dear. Please contact the Lord in human >> Form,dont contact us ordinary mortals and small devotees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Prafulla Sahab, Sir abhi chod dijiye yeh kissa yahin par. Thank You. Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > dear surya ji > > I even consider the dog, i feed as lord bheru...i have enough reasons and proof of his blessings..is there anything wrong? > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime? > > > > > > dattapr2000 > > Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:04:37 -0000 > > > > Re: Idol Worship <my two cents> > > > > dear friend > > > > I am also a human being like you. I am not claiming lordship nor am > > I collecting funds from people. I am saying we have to identify the > > Lord in human form by His divine knowledge and then serve Him > > practically by physical participation and by donating money in His > > mission. I am only part of the mission of swamiji. I don't have any > > mission of mine separately. > > > > You are treating me as your enemy and making all your attempts to > > fire me. my dear friend because of this bent, you are not even > > reading my posts clearly. but straight away attacking me. > > > > I sincerely request you to go through my posts and then attack me. i > > am not going anywhere. I will read all your mails and try to reply > > even if you do not want to read my replies. > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >> > >>> Surya-Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the right > >>> knowledgefor correct implementation, everything is waste. > >> > >> Bhaskar says- So do that dear. Please contact the Lord in human > >> Form,dont contact us ordinary mortals and small devotees. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Ok sir..these missionary people may have good cause..but they should focus in their own enightenment. This long sermons, is too impractical, unless one wishes to donate their all belongings to them and find GOD!!!! regards / Prafulla Gang Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight.. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime? > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:52:02 -0000 > > Re: Idol Worship <my two cents> > > Prafulla Sahab, > Sir abhi chod dijiye yeh kissa yahin par. > Thank You. > Bhaskar. > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> dear surya ji >> >> I even consider the dog, i feed as lord bheru...i have enough > reasons and proof of his blessings..is there anything wrong? >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by > candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to > do their work during the daytime? >> >> >>> >>> dattapr2000 >>> Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:04:37 -0000 >>> >>> Re: Idol Worship <my two cents> >>> >>> dear friend >>> >>> I am also a human being like you. I am not claiming lordship nor > am >>> I collecting funds from people. I am saying we have to identify > the >>> Lord in human form by His divine knowledge and then serve Him >>> practically by physical participation and by donating money in His >>> mission. I am only part of the mission of swamiji. I don't have > any >>> mission of mine separately. >>> >>> You are treating me as your enemy and making all your attempts to >>> fire me. my dear friend because of this bent, you are not even >>> reading my posts clearly. but straight away attacking me. >>> >>> I sincerely request you to go through my posts and then attack > me. i >>> am not going anywhere. I will read all your mails and try to reply >>> even if you do not want to read my replies. >>> >>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami >>> surya >>> www.universal-spirituality.org >>> >>> >>> "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Surya-Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the > right >>>>> knowledgefor correct implementation, everything is waste. >>>> >>>> Bhaskar says- So do that dear. Please contact the Lord in human >>>> Form,dont contact us ordinary mortals and small devotees. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Right Sir.I doubt even after that whether enlightenment would be achieved.People should be right with whom we connect and whom we donate. regards, Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Ok sir..these missionary people may have good cause..but they should focus in their own enightenment. This long sermons, is too impractical, unless one wishes to donate their all belongings to them and find GOD!!!! > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime? > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:52:02 -0000 > > > > Re: Idol Worship <my two cents> > > > > Prafulla Sahab, > > Sir abhi chod dijiye yeh kissa yahin par. > > Thank You. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> dear surya ji > >> > >> I even consider the dog, i feed as lord bheru...i have enough > > reasons and proof of his blessings..is there anything wrong? > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by > > candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to > > do their work during the daytime? > >> > >> > >>> > >>> dattapr2000@ > >>> Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:04:37 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: Idol Worship <my two cents> > >>> > >>> dear friend > >>> > >>> I am also a human being like you. I am not claiming lordship nor > > am > >>> I collecting funds from people. I am saying we have to identify > > the > >>> Lord in human form by His divine knowledge and then serve Him > >>> practically by physical participation and by donating money in His > >>> mission. I am only part of the mission of swamiji. I don't have > > any > >>> mission of mine separately. > >>> > >>> You are treating me as your enemy and making all your attempts to > >>> fire me. my dear friend because of this bent, you are not even > >>> reading my posts clearly. but straight away attacking me. > >>> > >>> I sincerely request you to go through my posts and then attack > > me. i > >>> am not going anywhere. I will read all your mails and try to reply > >>> even if you do not want to read my replies. > >>> > >>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > >>> surya > >>> www.universal-spirituality.org > >>> > >>> > >>> "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Surya-Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the > > right > >>>>> knowledgefor correct implementation, everything is waste. > >>>> > >>>> Bhaskar says- So do that dear. Please contact the Lord in human > >>>> Form,dont contact us ordinary mortals and small devotees. > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Dear Bhaskar bhai in late midnight, I enjoyed the beautiful reminded from the movie chitralekha. I must thank Surya ji for such a karmic link. yeh paap he kya, yeh punya yeh kya - sab reet par dharam ki muhur hein... regards / Prafulla Gang Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight.. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime? > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:05:30 -0000 > > Re: Idol Worship <my two cents> > > Right Sir.I doubt even after that whether > enlightenment would be achieved.People should be > right with whom we connect and whom we donate. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Ok sir..these missionary people may have good cause..but they > should focus in their own enightenment. This long sermons, is too > impractical, unless one wishes to donate their all belongings to them > and find GOD!!!! >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by > candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to > do their work during the daytime? >> >> >>> >>> bhaskar_jyotish >>> Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:52:02 -0000 >>> >>> Re: Idol Worship <my two cents> >>> >>> Prafulla Sahab, >>> Sir abhi chod dijiye yeh kissa yahin par. >>> Thank You. >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> dear surya ji >>>> >>>> I even consider the dog, i feed as lord bheru...i have enough >>> reasons and proof of his blessings..is there anything wrong? >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by >>> candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think > to >>> do their work during the daytime? >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> dattapr2000@ >>>>> Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:04:37 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> Re: Idol Worship <my two cents> >>>>> >>>>> dear friend >>>>> >>>>> I am also a human being like you. I am not claiming lordship nor >>> am >>>>> I collecting funds from people. I am saying we have to identify >>> the >>>>> Lord in human form by His divine knowledge and then serve Him >>>>> practically by physical participation and by donating money in > His >>>>> mission. I am only part of the mission of swamiji. I don't have >>> any >>>>> mission of mine separately. >>>>> >>>>> You are treating me as your enemy and making all your attempts > to >>>>> fire me. my dear friend because of this bent, you are not even >>>>> reading my posts clearly. but straight away attacking me. >>>>> >>>>> I sincerely request you to go through my posts and then attack >>> me. i >>>>> am not going anywhere. I will read all your mails and try to > reply >>>>> even if you do not want to read my replies. >>>>> >>>>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami >>>>> surya >>>>> www.universal-spirituality.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Surya-Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the >>> right >>>>>>> knowledgefor correct implementation, everything is waste. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bhaskar says- So do that dear. Please contact the Lord in human >>>>>> Form,dont contact us ordinary mortals and small devotees. >>>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Dear Prafulla Bhai, Agreed. Must thank him. I will be sleeping with tune of this song in my mind. Finally all is well that ends well. Till he comes up with another sermon.............. regards. Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar bhai > > in late midnight, I enjoyed the beautiful reminded from the movie chitralekha. I must thank Surya ji for such a karmic link. > > yeh paap he kya, yeh punya yeh kya - sab reet par dharam ki muhur hein... > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime? > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:05:30 -0000 > > > > Re: Idol Worship <my two cents> > > > > Right Sir.I doubt even after that whether > > enlightenment would be achieved.People should be > > right with whom we connect and whom we donate. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Ok sir..these missionary people may have good cause..but they > > should focus in their own enightenment. This long sermons, is too > > impractical, unless one wishes to donate their all belongings to them > > and find GOD!!!! > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by > > candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to > > do their work during the daytime? > >> > >> > >>> > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>> Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:52:02 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: Idol Worship <my two cents> > >>> > >>> Prafulla Sahab, > >>> Sir abhi chod dijiye yeh kissa yahin par. > >>> Thank You. > >>> Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> dear surya ji > >>>> > >>>> I even consider the dog, i feed as lord bheru...i have enough > >>> reasons and proof of his blessings..is there anything wrong? > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by > >>> candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think > > to > >>> do their work during the daytime? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> dattapr2000@ > >>>>> Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:04:37 -0000 > >>>>> > >>>>> Re: Idol Worship <my two cents> > >>>>> > >>>>> dear friend > >>>>> > >>>>> I am also a human being like you. I am not claiming lordship nor > >>> am > >>>>> I collecting funds from people. I am saying we have to identify > >>> the > >>>>> Lord in human form by His divine knowledge and then serve Him > >>>>> practically by physical participation and by donating money in > > His > >>>>> mission. I am only part of the mission of swamiji. I don't have > >>> any > >>>>> mission of mine separately. > >>>>> > >>>>> You are treating me as your enemy and making all your attempts > > to > >>>>> fire me. my dear friend because of this bent, you are not even > >>>>> reading my posts clearly. but straight away attacking me. > >>>>> > >>>>> I sincerely request you to go through my posts and then attack > >>> me. i > >>>>> am not going anywhere. I will read all your mails and try to > > reply > >>>>> even if you do not want to read my replies. > >>>>> > >>>>> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > >>>>> surya > >>>>> www.universal-spirituality.org > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Surya-Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the > >>> right > >>>>>>> knowledgefor correct implementation, everything is waste. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Bhaskar says- So do that dear. Please contact the Lord in human > >>>>>> Form,dont contact us ordinary mortals and small devotees. > >>>> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 dear friend for doing like this, one need not have brahma jnana. Ignorance is sufficient. Also now you ask the boons from dog, because Lord said that He comes in human form only and hence He is not responsible for all your meaningless acts. Shankara told 'Jnana evatu kaivalyam', which means liberation and kaivalya come with divine knowledge only. You are rejecting such brahma jnanam and want to live in ignorance. carry on. Infact except human birth, remaining births are given to the souls for the sins committed by them. You want to worship such souls leaving Lord. Gita strongly says that he who worships the inert statues will be born as an inert stone (Bhootejya yanti). This can be extrapolated to even worship of animals also. Brahma jnana means the knowledge required to identify the lord in human form, attain Him by bhakti by sacrificing all the family bonds and then serve Him to please Him. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya http://www.universal-spirituality.org Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > dear surya ji > I even consider the dog, i feed as lord bheru...i have enough reasons and proof of his blessings..is there anything wrong? > regards / Prafulla Gang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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