Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 dear members, what happens when the 3rd UL is actually none other than the 1st UL. this happens when the native gets back to the 1st husband. 1st marriage----UL no 1 2nd marriage---UL no2 3rd marriage----UL no3 (here the native gets back to the 1st husband. which means, 1st UL and 3rd UL show the same person. interesting situation........ regards rr Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Dear RR, It can be possible with first UL and 2UL (forexample UL in Libra) so it can happen..but how it happen with 3UL:)? Give the example Regards Rafal Gendarz - Rhoda Reporter vedic astrology Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:20 AM [vedic astrology] 1st UL and 3rd UL dear members, what happens when the 3rd UL is actually none other than the 1st UL. this happens when the native gets back to the 1st husband. 1st marriage----UL no 1 2nd marriage---UL no2 3rd marriage----UL no3 (here the native gets back to the 1st husband. which means, 1st UL and 3rd UL show the same person. interesting situation........ regards rr Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Dear RR, Yes, it is an interesting situation. I have written about this on one of the Lists about a month or so back. In any case, I am not very clear as to what you mean by the phrase 'what happens'. Even apart from the situation where one Graha lords over two ULs, there can be a going back to the first spouse/ UL relationship. Consider a chart with an afflicted first UL. Say, it is Sagittarius with the Guru-Chandala Yoga. Say, this is a female chart. The relationship manifests and from her side it is a UL relationship. Let us leave the question open as to whether this couple got married the first time around or not. But let us conclusively say that the UL manifested. Now Guru is the lord of this UL and is placed in the UL itself. The inherent affliction is due to the Guru-Chandala Yoga making it a weak UL. But it manifests. It breaks either because of this inherent weakness, or malefic influence on the 2nd Lord or the 2nd House from this 1st UL. Perhaps also because of malefic transits on this UL or the UL (or A7? If the other partner did not or could not deem it to be a UL for him due to any factors). Say, the directional influences were such that the Rahu part of the UL manifested, maybe due to the Rahu Dasha is one or both charts and it was predominantly a very malefic period. The nest UL goes to Cancer. Say, this too is afflicted in some way, but not enough to not allow the UL to fructify at all. So, the 2nd marriage/ UL relationship happens. Say, the 2nd Lord or house from the 2nd UL is weak or debilitated and this too breaks at the time indicated by the Shani Gochar or Dasha influences in the two charts. The 8th from this 2nd UL would show the 3rd UL. Say it is Aquarius.Now while the Lagna of the 3rd UL would obviously be seen from the Kumbha Rashi or the 7th from it, whichever is stronger, it is possible that the Lagna of the 3rd UL spouse/ partner is the "same" as that of the "first" UL/ partner. How? The first UL in this case was Sagittarius. So it could be this sign or the trines from it, assuming it is stronger than Gemini. So, Saggitarius, Gemini, Aries and Leo could be the signs of the other's Lagna. Now, with Kumbha, Leo is one of the common signs and Sagittarius is yet another as one of the lords of Kumbha, Rahu, is placed in this sign. The idea is that 'reverting' to the same Lagna as that of the 'first spouse' is quite possible when two planets are conjunct. Moreover, the relationship could have a completely different nature and tenor. It could. If Rahu dominated the first time around and Guru has become dominant in Dasha influences, then the nature of the first UL, when he/ she becomes the third UL could also undergo a transformation. I hope this gives you an insight into some of the possibilities in this regard. Best Wishes, Anurag Sharma http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme wrote: > > Dear RR, > It can be possible with first UL and 2UL (forexample UL in Libra) so it can happen..but how it happen with 3UL:)? Give the example > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > - > Rhoda Reporter > vedic astrology > Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:20 AM > [vedic astrology] 1st UL and 3rd UL > > > > dear members, > what happens when the 3rd UL is actually none other than the 1st UL. > this happens when the native gets back to the 1st husband. > 1st marriage----UL no 1 > 2nd marriage---UL no2 > 3rd marriage----UL no3 (here the native gets back to the 1st husband. > which means, 1st UL and 3rd UL show the same person. > > interesting situation........ > regards > rr > > > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Dear Srivastava Ji, The query posed by RR was 'what happens' and so certain possibilities are discussed. When data is certain and capable of being given, it is automatically given. Charts with proper data are much more valuable and everybody can work with them at their leisure. However, if the data is not posted, then the natural assumption should be either uncertainty with the data or the absence of proper permission from the Jatak himself/ herself. However, even without data, with the Graha descriptions, the possibilities become reasonably clear provided the deductions are explained step by step. For example, in the chart possibilities discussed, it is equally possible to consider the male chart as having got into UL 2, assuming he viewed the first relationship as UL 1, like the female chart. The important thing is that the principles of interpretation would remain the same. So, if the male chart is on his first UL and thought of the first relationship (or the first relationship was a Darapada experience in metaphysical fact) then not only should the Lagna of the lady match his Darapada indicating the state of affairs the first time around, but also his Upapada, assuming this time around this is what the relationship would become for him. There are many such interesting permutations and combinations that can be applied to charts with complex relationship histories in the modern world. Regards. Anurag Sharma http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com , "R.C.Srivastava" <swami_rcs wrote: > > > *|| OM MAHAGANAPATAYE NAMAH ||* > Dear Anurag ji , > Nameste. > "Even apart from the situation where one Graha lords over two ULs, > there can be a going back to the first spouse/ UL relationship." > What one is deducting?, will it not be fine to take up a case from real life. > Now a days it is not difficult to find spouse leaving the husband / wife and moving to someother spouse and then again uniting with the first one." > I wonder what we can learn from the post without having the thread . > It is fine if the quote is verified assumption.If so why not the data is mentioned. > Any way although it is a little ambiguous post nevertheless it is interesting. > Visti is away his comments will be awaited. > > > > > > || May all people be happy || > OM TAT SAT > R.C.Srivastava . > swami_rcs > mob 9412268768 > http://www.cosmograce.com > http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com vedic astrology, "Anurag Sharma" <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > Dear RR, > > Yes, it is an interesting situation. > > I have written about this on one of the Lists about a month or so > back. > > In any case, I am not very clear as to what you mean by the > phrase 'what happens'. > > Even apart from the situation where one Graha lords over two ULs, > there can be a going back to the first spouse/ UL relationship. > > Consider a chart with an afflicted first UL. Say, it is Sagittarius > with the Guru-Chandala Yoga. Say, this is a female chart. The > relationship manifests and from her side it is a UL relationship. > Let us leave the question open as to whether this couple got married > the first time around or not. But let us conclusively say that the > UL manifested. Now Guru is the lord of this UL and is placed in the > UL itself. The inherent affliction is due to the Guru-Chandala Yoga > making it a weak UL. But it manifests. It breaks either because of > this inherent weakness, or malefic influence on the 2nd Lord or the > 2nd House from this 1st UL. Perhaps also because of malefic transits > on this UL or the UL (or A7? If the other partner did not or could > not deem it to be a UL for him due to any factors). > > Say, the directional influences were such that the Rahu part of the > UL manifested, maybe due to the Rahu Dasha is one or both charts and > it was predominantly a very malefic period. > > The nest UL goes to Cancer. Say, this too is afflicted in some way, > but not enough to not allow the UL to fructify at all. So, the 2nd > marriage/ UL relationship happens. Say, the 2nd Lord or house from > the 2nd UL is weak or debilitated and this too breaks at the time > indicated by the Shani Gochar or Dasha influences in the two charts. > > The 8th from this 2nd UL would show the 3rd UL. Say it is > Aquarius.Now while the Lagna of the 3rd UL would obviously be seen > from the Kumbha Rashi or the 7th from it, whichever is stronger, it > is possible that the Lagna of the 3rd UL spouse/ partner is > the "same" as that of the "first" UL/ partner. How? > > The first UL in this case was Sagittarius. So it could be this sign > or the trines from it, assuming it is stronger than Gemini. So, > Saggitarius, Gemini, Aries and Leo could be the signs of the other's > Lagna. > > Now, with Kumbha, Leo is one of the common signs and Sagittarius is > yet another as one of the lords of Kumbha, Rahu, is placed in this > sign. The idea is that 'reverting' to the same Lagna as that of > the 'first spouse' is quite possible when two planets are conjunct. > > Moreover, the relationship could have a completely different nature > and tenor. It could. If Rahu dominated the first time around and > Guru has become dominant in Dasha influences, then the nature of the > first UL, when he/ she becomes the third UL could also undergo a > transformation. > > I hope this gives you an insight into some of the possibilities in > this regard. > > Best Wishes, > Anurag Sharma > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" > <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > Dear RR, > > It can be possible with first UL and 2UL (forexample UL in Libra) > so it can happen..but how it happen with 3UL:)? Give the example > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > - > > Rhoda Reporter > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:20 AM > > [vedic astrology] 1st UL and 3rd UL > > > > > > > > dear members, > > what happens when the 3rd UL is actually none other than the 1st > UL. > > this happens when the native gets back to the 1st husband. > > 1st marriage----UL no 1 > > 2nd marriage---UL no2 > > 3rd marriage----UL no3 (here the native gets back to the 1st > husband. > > which means, 1st UL and 3rd UL show the same person. > > > > interesting situation........ > > regards > > rr > > > > > > > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy > changes to . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Dear Lakshmi Ji, These are valuable thoughts and thank you very much for the same. I suppose the dual lordship of Aquarius and Scorpio is the reason for including them in the list of Rashis that can give twins. In the example I have taken, Kumbha turns out to be the 3rd UL which in this case can indicate a 'reverting' to the first UL as the co- lord of Kumbha is in Sagittarius (1st UL) with the Lord thereof. Perhaps the natal predisposition of having two UL relationships/ marriages for Kumbha/ Vrishchik would apply more when these happen to be the original UL. I agree wholeheartedly that Rahu will give unexpected happenings. Also, Gochar of Shani on the relevant UL might be important to time stresses in that marriage/ relationship while when He moves to the 2nd from a given UL, it may cause the fissures in that marriage etc to widen and there might be a break. Regards. Anurag http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com sohamsa, "lakshmikary" <lakshmikary wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > Dear Anurag and Rafal. > Anurag You said " The first UL in this case was Sagittarius. So it > could be this sign or the trines from it, assuming it is stronger > than Gemini. So, Saggitarius, Gemini, Aries and Leo could be the > signs of the other's Lagna. > Now, with Kumbha, Leo is one of the common signs and Sagittarius is > yet another as one of the lords of Kumbha, Rahu, is placed in this > sign. The idea is that 'reverting' to the same Lagna as that of " > > Lakshmi: Yes, first of all look and see what is in trines/7th from > the persons UL. These are possibilites, then also consider when the > UL is in aquarious or scorpio it is possible that the person ends up > have 2 relationships, one by each co-lord.(so that UL represents 2 > people) > Also , in regards to Rahu etc conjoined, in UL ... rahu causes > reversals, right! and unexpected or fast happening things. > When in doubt check Dasas and transits for fine tuning. > best wishes > Lakshmi > vedic astrology, "Anurag Sharma" <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > Dear Srivastava Ji, > > The query posed by RR was 'what happens' and so certain > possibilities are discussed. > > When data is certain and capable of being given, it is automatically > given. Charts with proper data are much more valuable and everybody > can work with them at their leisure. However, if the data is not > posted, then the natural assumption should be either uncertainty > with the data or the absence of proper permission from the Jatak > himself/ herself. > > However, even without data, with the Graha descriptions, the > possibilities become reasonably clear provided the deductions are > explained step by step. > > For example, in the chart possibilities discussed, it is equally > possible to consider the male chart as having got into UL 2, > assuming he viewed the first relationship as UL 1, like the female > chart. The important thing is that the principles of interpretation > would remain the same. > > So, if the male chart is on his first UL and thought of the first > relationship (or the first relationship was a Darapada experience in > metaphysical fact) then not only should the Lagna of the lady match > his Darapada indicating the state of affairs the first time around, > but also his Upapada, assuming this time around this is what the > relationship would become for him. > > There are many such interesting permutations and combinations that > can be applied to charts with complex relationship histories in the > modern world. > > Regards. > Anurag Sharma > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > , "R.C.Srivastava" > <swami_rcs@> wrote: > > > > > > *|| OM MAHAGANAPATAYE NAMAH ||* > > Dear Anurag ji , > > Nameste. > > "Even apart from the situation where one Graha lords over two > ULs, > > there can be a going back to the first spouse/ UL relationship." > > What one is deducting?, will it not be fine to take up a case > from real life. > > Now a days it is not difficult to find spouse leaving the > husband / wife and moving to someother spouse and then again > uniting with the first one." > > I wonder what we can learn from the post without having the > thread . > > It is fine if the quote is verified assumption.If so why not the > data is mentioned. > > Any way although it is a little ambiguous post nevertheless it is > interesting. > > Visti is away his comments will be awaited. > > > > > > > > > > > > || May all people be happy || > > OM TAT SAT > > R.C.Srivastava . > > swami_rcs@ > > mob 9412268768 > > http://www.cosmograce.com > > http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com > vedic astrology, "Anurag Sharma" > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > Dear RR, > > > > Yes, it is an interesting situation. > > > > I have written about this on one of the Lists about a month or so > > back. > > > > In any case, I am not very clear as to what you mean by the > > phrase 'what happens'. > > > > Even apart from the situation where one Graha lords over two ULs, > > there can be a going back to the first spouse/ UL relationship. > > > > Consider a chart with an afflicted first UL. Say, it is > Sagittarius > > with the Guru-Chandala Yoga. Say, this is a female chart. The > > relationship manifests and from her side it is a UL relationship. > > Let us leave the question open as to whether this couple got > married > > the first time around or not. But let us conclusively say that the > > UL manifested. Now Guru is the lord of this UL and is placed in > the > > UL itself. The inherent affliction is due to the Guru-Chandala > Yoga > > making it a weak UL. But it manifests. It breaks either because of > > this inherent weakness, or malefic influence on the 2nd Lord or > the > > 2nd House from this 1st UL. Perhaps also because of malefic > transits > > on this UL or the UL (or A7? If the other partner did not or could > > not deem it to be a UL for him due to any factors). > > > > Say, the directional influences were such that the Rahu part of > the > > UL manifested, maybe due to the Rahu Dasha is one or both charts > and > > it was predominantly a very malefic period. > > > > The nest UL goes to Cancer. Say, this too is afflicted in some > way, > > but not enough to not allow the UL to fructify at all. So, the 2nd > > marriage/ UL relationship happens. Say, the 2nd Lord or house from > > the 2nd UL is weak or debilitated and this too breaks at the time > > indicated by the Shani Gochar or Dasha influences in the two > charts. > > > > The 8th from this 2nd UL would show the 3rd UL. Say it is > > Aquarius.Now while the Lagna of the 3rd UL would obviously be seen > > from the Kumbha Rashi or the 7th from it, whichever is stronger, > it > > is possible that the Lagna of the 3rd UL spouse/ partner is > > the "same" as that of the "first" UL/ partner. How? > > > > The first UL in this case was Sagittarius. So it could be this > sign > > or the trines from it, assuming it is stronger than Gemini. So, > > Saggitarius, Gemini, Aries and Leo could be the signs of the > other's > > Lagna. > > > > Now, with Kumbha, Leo is one of the common signs and Sagittarius > is > > yet another as one of the lords of Kumbha, Rahu, is placed in this > > sign. The idea is that 'reverting' to the same Lagna as that of > > the 'first spouse' is quite possible when two planets are > conjunct. > > > > Moreover, the relationship could have a completely different > nature > > and tenor. It could. If Rahu dominated the first time around and > > Guru has become dominant in Dasha influences, then the nature of > the > > first UL, when he/ she becomes the third UL could also undergo a > > transformation. > > > > I hope this gives you an insight into some of the possibilities > in > > this regard. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Anurag Sharma > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > > vedic astrology, "Rafal Gendarz" > > <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR, > > > It can be possible with first UL and 2UL (forexample UL in > Libra) > > so it can happen..but how it happen with 3UL:)? Give the example > > > Regards > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > - > > > Rhoda Reporter > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:20 AM > > > [vedic astrology] 1st UL and 3rd UL > > > > > > > > > > > > dear members, > > > what happens when the 3rd UL is actually none other than the > 1st > > UL. > > > this happens when the native gets back to the 1st husband. > > > 1st marriage----UL no 1 > > > 2nd marriage---UL no2 > > > 3rd marriage----UL no3 (here the native gets back to the 1st > > husband. > > > which means, 1st UL and 3rd UL show the same person. > > > > > > interesting situation........ > > > regards > > > rr > > > > > > > > > > > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy > > changes to . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 hi, Where can I find the text to analyse UL and how it affects. Any web sites or book. --- Anurag Sharma <anuraagsharma27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear RR, > > Yes, it is an interesting situation. > > I have written about this on one of the Lists about > a month or so > back. > > In any case, I am not very clear as to what you mean > by the > phrase 'what happens'. > > Even apart from the situation where one Graha lords > over two ULs, > there can be a going back to the first spouse/ UL > relationship. > > Consider a chart with an afflicted first UL. Say, it > is Sagittarius > with the Guru-Chandala Yoga. Say, this is a female > chart. The > relationship manifests and from her side it is a UL > relationship. > Let us leave the question open as to whether this > couple got married > the first time around or not. But let us > conclusively say that the > UL manifested. Now Guru is the lord of this UL and > is placed in the > UL itself. The inherent affliction is due to the > Guru-Chandala Yoga > making it a weak UL. But it manifests. It breaks > either because of > this inherent weakness, or malefic influence on the > 2nd Lord or the > 2nd House from this 1st UL. Perhaps also because of > malefic transits > on this UL or the UL (or A7? If the other partner > did not or could > not deem it to be a UL for him due to any factors). > > Say, the directional influences were such that the > Rahu part of the > UL manifested, maybe due to the Rahu Dasha is one or > both charts and > it was predominantly a very malefic period. > > The nest UL goes to Cancer. Say, this too is > afflicted in some way, > but not enough to not allow the UL to fructify at > all. So, the 2nd > marriage/ UL relationship happens. Say, the 2nd Lord > or house from > the 2nd UL is weak or debilitated and this too > breaks at the time > indicated by the Shani Gochar or Dasha influences in > the two charts. > > The 8th from this 2nd UL would show the 3rd UL. Say > it is > Aquarius.Now while the Lagna of the 3rd UL would > obviously be seen > from the Kumbha Rashi or the 7th from it, whichever > is stronger, it > is possible that the Lagna of the 3rd UL spouse/ > partner is > the "same" as that of the "first" UL/ partner. How? > > The first UL in this case was Sagittarius. So it > could be this sign > or the trines from it, assuming it is stronger than > Gemini. So, > Saggitarius, Gemini, Aries and Leo could be the > signs of the other's > Lagna. > > Now, with Kumbha, Leo is one of the common signs and > Sagittarius is > yet another as one of the lords of Kumbha, Rahu, is > placed in this > sign. The idea is that 'reverting' to the same Lagna > as that of > the 'first spouse' is quite possible when two > planets are conjunct. > > Moreover, the relationship could have a completely > different nature > and tenor. It could. If Rahu dominated the first > time around and > Guru has become dominant in Dasha influences, then > the nature of the > first UL, when he/ she becomes the third UL could > also undergo a > transformation. > > I hope this gives you an insight into some of the > possibilities in > this regard. > > Best Wishes, > Anurag Sharma > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > vedic astrology, "Rafal > Gendarz" > <starsuponme wrote: > > > > Dear RR, > > It can be possible with first UL and 2UL > (forexample UL in Libra) > so it can happen..but how it happen with 3UL:)? Give > the example > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > - > > Rhoda Reporter > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:20 AM > > [vedic astrology] 1st UL and 3rd UL > > > > > > > > dear members, > > what happens when the 3rd UL is actually none > other than the 1st > UL. > > this happens when the native gets back to the > 1st husband. > > 1st marriage----UL no 1 > > 2nd marriage---UL no2 > > 3rd marriage----UL no3 (here the native gets > back to the 1st > husband. > > which means, 1st UL and 3rd UL show the same > person. > > > > interesting situation........ > > regards > > rr > > > > > > > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check > out the handy > changes to . > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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