Neelam (blue sepphire) - is it right for this kundli?

[Guest guest]

Dear Jyotish-remedies Group:

 

I am confused... some say that if Sani is already powerful and well

placed and yogakarak... this person does not need to wear Sani.. if

the sweet is already sweet, why add sugar to it.

 

but some say that since SANI is retrogate, Neelam will benefit the

person? whats correct? opnion please...

 

is Neelam recommended for this person?

 

Ascendant Taurus 20° 35' Rohini

Sun Libra 5° 37' Chitra

Moon Virgo 10° 8' Hasta

Mars Scorpio 19° 47' Jyestha

Mercury Libra 21° 33' Visakha

Jupiter R Gemini 7° 55' Ardra

Venus Scorpio 21° 11' Jyestha

Saturn R Aquarius 17° 32' Satabisha

Rahu Taurus 11° 46' Rohini

Ketu Scorpio 11° 46' Anuradha

Uranus Leo 24° 29' Purvaphalguni

Neptune Libra 25° 35' Visakha

Pluto Leo 24° 10' Purvaphalguni

 

North Indian Style Rasi Chart for 1-Tino

 

*******************************************************

** * * **

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * JUP * * * *

* * * * * *

* * GEM* LAG RAH * ARI* *

* CAN** **PIS *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * 2 * * *

* * * * SAT * *

* LEO * AQU *

* * * * * *

* * * SCO * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* MOO * * * * *

* * * MAR * * *

* VIR** **CAP *

* * LIB* KET VEN * SAG* *

* * * * * *

* * MER * * * *

* * SUN * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*******************************************************

DASA (vimsottary)

Jup Jup 09/15/2000

Jup Sat 11/04/2002

Jup Merc 05/17/2005

Jup Ketu 08/23/2007

Jup Ven 07/29/2008

Jup Sun 03/30/2011

Jup Moon 01/16/2012

Jup Mars 05/17/2013

Jup Rahu 04/22/2014

Sat Sat 09/15/2016

Sat Merc 09/19/2019

Sat Ketu 05/29/2022

Sat Ven 07/08/2023

Sat Sun 09/07/2026

Sat Moon 08/20/2027

Sat Mars 03/20/2029

Sat Rahu 04/29/2030

Sat Jup 03/05/2033

Merc Merc 09/16/2035

Merc Ketu 02/12/2038

Merc Ven 02/09/2039

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep and other members requesting info:

 

I might be more inclined to reply and comment if you would post the

birth data. Many of us prefer to use our own methods, dasa systems and

software etc. rather than read provided charts. I always recast any

provided charts in practice and it is not uncommon to have some error

revealed. If nothing else, I do better with formats I am well used to

when reading charts.

 

Regards and Blessings,

Allen

 

www.allentefftjewelry.com

 

 

, "Pradeep" <great2friends

wrote:

>

> Dear Jyotish-remedies Group:

>

> I am confused... some say that if Sani is already powerful and well

> placed and yogakarak... this person does not need to wear Sani.. if

> the sweet is already sweet, why add sugar to it.

>

> but some say that since SANI is retrogate, Neelam will benefit the

> person? whats correct? opnion please...

>

> is Neelam recommended for this person?

>

> Ascendant Taurus 20° 35' Rohini

> Sun Libra 5° 37' Chitra

> Moon Virgo 10° 8' Hasta

> Mars Scorpio 19° 47' Jyestha

> Mercury Libra 21° 33' Visakha

> Jupiter R Gemini 7° 55' Ardra

> Venus Scorpio 21° 11' Jyestha

> Saturn R Aquarius 17° 32' Satabisha

> Rahu Taurus 11° 46' Rohini

> Ketu Scorpio 11° 46' Anuradha

> Uranus Leo 24° 29' Purvaphalguni

> Neptune Libra 25° 35' Visakha

> Pluto Leo 24° 10' Purvaphalguni

>

> North Indian Style Rasi Chart for 1-Tino

>

> *******************************************************

> ** * * **

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * JUP * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * GEM* LAG RAH * ARI* *

> * CAN** **PIS *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * 2 * * *

> * * * * SAT * *

> * LEO * AQU *

> * * * * * *

> * * * SCO * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * MOO * * * * *

> * * * MAR * * *

> * VIR** **CAP *

> * * LIB* KET VEN * SAG* *

> * * * * * *

> * * MER * * * *

> * * SUN * * * *

> * * * * * *

> ** * * **

> *******************************************************

> DASA (vimsottary)

> Jup Jup 09/15/2000

> Jup Sat 11/04/2002

> Jup Merc 05/17/2005

> Jup Ketu 08/23/2007

> Jup Ven 07/29/2008

> Jup Sun 03/30/2011

> Jup Moon 01/16/2012

> Jup Mars 05/17/2013

> Jup Rahu 04/22/2014

> Sat Sat 09/15/2016

> Sat Merc 09/19/2019

> Sat Ketu 05/29/2022

> Sat Ven 07/08/2023

> Sat Sun 09/07/2026

> Sat Moon 08/20/2027

> Sat Mars 03/20/2029

> Sat Rahu 04/29/2030

> Sat Jup 03/05/2033

> Merc Merc 09/16/2035

> Merc Ketu 02/12/2038

> Merc Ven 02/09/2039

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

 

By strengthening any planet with help of gems, we actually give it more power over others to perform its functions well.

 

The nine planets can be taken as nine children in any teacher's class. Out of these, some may be very naughty and full of mischiefs, while a few maybe obedient, intelligent and disciplined.

 

If the teacher is required to make one or two children as class monitors, whom will he choose, the mischievious ones or disciplined ones?

 

This is why the gems for favorable and strong planets are recommended, not for weak, negative or malefic planets. The yogakarak is always a planet which governs the positive and development related houses, like tenth, fifth, ninth, etc. For example, If the fifth lord is strong, it gives the native a trong intellect and wisdom to understand and rectify own mistakes.

 

This can compensate for what the native lacks due to the undesirable placement of malefics or negative planets in his chart.

 

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

[The services of this professional astrologer are free on this group but off-group consultations are chargeable]

 

 

 

 

-

Pradeep

Thursday, 27 July, 2006 08:14

Neelam (blue sepphire) - is it right for this kundli?

 

 

Dear Jyotish-remedies Group:

 

I am confused... some say that if Sani is already powerful and well

placed and yogakarak... this person does not need to wear Sani.. if

the sweet is already sweet, why add sugar to it.

 

but some say that since SANI is retrogate, Neelam will benefit the

person? whats correct? opnion please...

 

is Neelam recommended for this person?

 

Ascendant Taurus 20° 35' Rohini

Sun Libra 5° 37' Chitra

Moon Virgo 10° 8' Hasta

Mars Scorpio 19° 47' Jyestha

Mercury Libra 21° 33' Visakha

Jupiter R Gemini 7° 55' Ardra

Venus Scorpio 21° 11' Jyestha

Saturn R Aquarius 17° 32' Satabisha

Rahu Taurus 11° 46' Rohini

Ketu Scorpio 11° 46' Anuradha

Uranus Leo 24° 29' Purvaphalguni

Neptune Libra 25° 35' Visakha

Pluto Leo 24° 10' Purvaphalguni

 

North Indian Style Rasi Chart for 1-Tino

 

*******************************************************

** * * **

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * JUP * * * *

* * * * * *

* * GEM* LAG RAH * ARI* *

* CAN** **PIS *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * 2 * * *

* * * * SAT * *

* LEO * AQU *

* * * * * *

* * * SCO * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* MOO * * * * *

* * * MAR * * *

* VIR** **CAP *

* * LIB* KET VEN * SAG* *

* * * * * *

* * MER * * * *

* * SUN * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*******************************************************

DASA (vimsottary)

Jup Jup 09/15/2000

Jup Sat 11/04/2002

Jup Merc 05/17/2005

Jup Ketu 08/23/2007

Jup Ven 07/29/2008

Jup Sun 03/30/2011

Jup Moon 01/16/2012

Jup Mars 05/17/2013

Jup Rahu 04/22/2014

Sat Sat 09/15/2016

Sat Merc 09/19/2019

Sat Ketu 05/29/2022

Sat Ven 07/08/2023

Sat Sun 09/07/2026

Sat Moon 08/20/2027

Sat Mars 03/20/2029

Sat Rahu 04/29/2030

Sat Jup 03/05/2033

Merc Merc 09/16/2035

Merc Ketu 02/12/2038

Merc Ven 02/09/2039

[Guest guest]

Dear Allen: here are the bith details.

Oct 22, 1965

Baroda, India

20:45

 

 

 

 

 

, "Allen" <jyoteekat

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep and other members requesting info:

>

> I might be more inclined to reply and comment if you would post the

> birth data. Many of us prefer to use our own methods, dasa systems

and

> software etc. rather than read provided charts. I always recast any

> provided charts in practice and it is not uncommon to have some

error

> revealed. If nothing else, I do better with formats I am well used

to

> when reading charts.

>

> Regards and Blessings,

> Allen

>

> www.allentefftjewelry.com

>

>

> , "Pradeep" <great2friends@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyotish-remedies Group:

> >

> > I am confused... some say that if Sani is already powerful and

well

> > placed and yogakarak... this person does not need to wear Sani..

if

> > the sweet is already sweet, why add sugar to it.

> >

> > but some say that since SANI is retrogate, Neelam will benefit

the

> > person? whats correct? opnion please...

> >

> > is Neelam recommended for this person?

> >

> > Ascendant Taurus 20° 35' Rohini

> > Sun Libra 5° 37' Chitra

> > Moon Virgo 10° 8' Hasta

> > Mars Scorpio 19° 47' Jyestha

> > Mercury Libra 21° 33' Visakha

> > Jupiter R Gemini 7° 55' Ardra

> > Venus Scorpio 21° 11' Jyestha

> > Saturn R Aquarius 17° 32' Satabisha

> > Rahu Taurus 11° 46' Rohini

> > Ketu Scorpio 11° 46' Anuradha

> > Uranus Leo 24° 29' Purvaphalguni

> > Neptune Libra 25° 35' Visakha

> > Pluto Leo 24° 10' Purvaphalguni

> >

> > North Indian Style Rasi Chart for 1-Tino

> >

> > *******************************************************

> > ** * * **

> > * * * * * *

> > * * * * * *

> > * * JUP * * * *

> > * * * * * *

> > * * GEM* LAG RAH * ARI* *

> > * CAN** **PIS *

> > * * * * * *

> > * * * * * *

> > * * * * * *

> > * * * * * *

> > * * * 2 * * *

> > * * * * SAT * *

> > * LEO * AQU *

> > * * * * * *

> > * * * SCO * * *

> > * * * * * *

> > * * * * * *

> > * MOO * * * * *

> > * * * MAR * * *

> > * VIR** **CAP *

> > * * LIB* KET VEN * SAG* *

> > * * * * * *

> > * * MER * * * *

> > * * SUN * * * *

> > * * * * * *

> > ** * * **

> > *******************************************************

> > DASA (vimsottary)

> > Jup Jup 09/15/2000

> > Jup Sat 11/04/2002

> > Jup Merc 05/17/2005

> > Jup Ketu 08/23/2007

> > Jup Ven 07/29/2008

> > Jup Sun 03/30/2011

> > Jup Moon 01/16/2012

> > Jup Mars 05/17/2013

> > Jup Rahu 04/22/2014

> > Sat Sat 09/15/2016

> > Sat Merc 09/19/2019

> > Sat Ketu 05/29/2022

> > Sat Ven 07/08/2023

> > Sat Sun 09/07/2026

> > Sat Moon 08/20/2027

> > Sat Mars 03/20/2029

> > Sat Rahu 04/29/2030

> > Sat Jup 03/05/2033

> > Merc Merc 09/16/2035

> > Merc Ketu 02/12/2038

> > Merc Ven 02/09/2039

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ashutosh:

 

Thanks for providing clear understanding. quick question... would

Retrogate Sani in 10th in Kumbh (11) be considered strong or a step

below?

 

 

 

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> By strengthening any planet with help of

gems, we actually give it more power over others to perform its

functions well.

>

> The nine planets can be taken as nine children in any

teacher's class. Out of these, some may be very naughty and full of

mischiefs, while a few maybe obedient, intelligent and disciplined.

>

> If the teacher is required to make one or two children as

class monitors, whom will he choose, the mischievious ones or

disciplined ones?

>

> This is why the gems for favorable and strong planets are

recommended, not for weak, negative or malefic planets. The

yogakarak is always a planet which governs the positive and

development related houses, like tenth, fifth, ninth, etc. For

example, If the fifth lord is strong, it gives the native a trong

intellect and wisdom to understand and rectify own mistakes.

>

> This can compensate for what the native lacks due to the

undesirable placement of malefics or negative planets in his chart.

>

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

group but off-group consultations are chargeable]

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> Pradeep

>

> Thursday, 27 July, 2006 08:14

> Neelam (blue sepphire) - is it right for this

kundli?

>

>

> Dear Jyotish-remedies Group:

>

> I am confused... some say that if Sani is already powerful and

well

> placed and yogakarak... this person does not need to wear Sani..

if

> the sweet is already sweet, why add sugar to it.

>

> but some say that since SANI is retrogate, Neelam will benefit

the

> person? whats correct? opnion please...

>

> is Neelam recommended for this person?

>

> Ascendant Taurus 20° 35' Rohini

> Sun Libra 5° 37' Chitra

> Moon Virgo 10° 8' Hasta

> Mars Scorpio 19° 47' Jyestha

> Mercury Libra 21° 33' Visakha

> Jupiter R Gemini 7° 55' Ardra

> Venus Scorpio 21° 11' Jyestha

> Saturn R Aquarius 17° 32' Satabisha

> Rahu Taurus 11° 46' Rohini

> Ketu Scorpio 11° 46' Anuradha

> Uranus Leo 24° 29' Purvaphalguni

> Neptune Libra 25° 35' Visakha

> Pluto Leo 24° 10' Purvaphalguni

>

> North Indian Style Rasi Chart for 1-Tino

>

> *******************************************************

> ** * * **

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * JUP * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * GEM* LAG RAH * ARI* *

> * CAN** **PIS *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * 2 * * *

> * * * * SAT * *

> * LEO * AQU *

> * * * * * *

> * * * SCO * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * MOO * * * * *

> * * * MAR * * *

> * VIR** **CAP *

> * * LIB* KET VEN * SAG* *

> * * * * * *

> * * MER * * * *

> * * SUN * * * *

> * * * * * *

> ** * * **

> *******************************************************

> DASA (vimsottary)

> Jup Jup 09/15/2000

> Jup Sat 11/04/2002

> Jup Merc 05/17/2005

> Jup Ketu 08/23/2007

> Jup Ven 07/29/2008

> Jup Sun 03/30/2011

> Jup Moon 01/16/2012

> Jup Mars 05/17/2013

> Jup Rahu 04/22/2014

> Sat Sat 09/15/2016

> Sat Merc 09/19/2019

> Sat Ketu 05/29/2022

> Sat Ven 07/08/2023

> Sat Sun 09/07/2026

> Sat Moon 08/20/2027

> Sat Mars 03/20/2029

> Sat Rahu 04/29/2030

> Sat Jup 03/05/2033

> Merc Merc 09/16/2035

> Merc Ketu 02/12/2038

> Merc Ven 02/09/2039

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

 

Saturn in aquarius in tenth house will be considered very strong, even though it is retrograde. It will be treated as stronger than a directional saturn in same sign.

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

[The services of this professional astrologer are free on this group but off-group consultations are chargeable]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Pradeep

Friday, 28 July, 2006 10:50

Re: Neelam (blue sepphire) - is it right for this kundli?

 

 

Ashutosh:

 

Thanks for providing clear understanding. quick question... would

Retrogate Sani in 10th in Kumbh (11) be considered strong or a step

below?

 

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> By strengthening any planet with help of

gems, we actually give it more power over others to perform its

functions well.

>

> The nine planets can be taken as nine children in any

teacher's class. Out of these, some may be very naughty and full of

mischiefs, while a few maybe obedient, intelligent and disciplined.

>

> If the teacher is required to make one or two children as

class monitors, whom will he choose, the mischievious ones or

disciplined ones?

>

> This is why the gems for favorable and strong planets are

recommended, not for weak, negative or malefic planets. The

yogakarak is always a planet which governs the positive and

development related houses, like tenth, fifth, ninth, etc. For

example, If the fifth lord is strong, it gives the native a trong

intellect and wisdom to understand and rectify own mistakes.

>

> This can compensate for what the native lacks due to the

undesirable placement of malefics or negative planets in his chart.

>

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

group but off-group consultations are chargeable]

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> Pradeep

>

> Thursday, 27 July, 2006 08:14

> Neelam (blue sepphire) - is it right for this

kundli?

>

>

> Dear Jyotish-remedies Group:

>

> I am confused... some say that if Sani is already powerful and

well

> placed and yogakarak... this person does not need to wear Sani..

if

> the sweet is already sweet, why add sugar to it.

>

> but some say that since SANI is retrogate, Neelam will benefit

the

> person? whats correct? opnion please...

>

> is Neelam recommended for this person?

>

> Ascendant Taurus 20° 35' Rohini

> Sun Libra 5° 37' Chitra

> Moon Virgo 10° 8' Hasta

> Mars Scorpio 19° 47' Jyestha

> Mercury Libra 21° 33' Visakha

> Jupiter R Gemini 7° 55' Ardra

> Venus Scorpio 21° 11' Jyestha

> Saturn R Aquarius 17° 32' Satabisha

> Rahu Taurus 11° 46' Rohini

> Ketu Scorpio 11° 46' Anuradha

> Uranus Leo 24° 29' Purvaphalguni

> Neptune Libra 25° 35' Visakha

> Pluto Leo 24° 10' Purvaphalguni

>

> North Indian Style Rasi Chart for 1-Tino

>

> *******************************************************

> ** * * **

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * JUP * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * GEM* LAG RAH * ARI* *

> * CAN** **PIS *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * 2 * * *

> * * * * SAT * *

> * LEO * AQU *

> * * * * * *

> * * * SCO * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * MOO * * * * *

> * * * MAR * * *

> * VIR** **CAP *

> * * LIB* KET VEN * SAG* *

> * * * * * *

> * * MER * * * *

> * * SUN * * * *

> * * * * * *

> ** * * **

> *******************************************************

> DASA (vimsottary)

> Jup Jup 09/15/2000

> Jup Sat 11/04/2002

> Jup Merc 05/17/2005

> Jup Ketu 08/23/2007

> Jup Ven 07/29/2008

> Jup Sun 03/30/2011

> Jup Moon 01/16/2012

> Jup Mars 05/17/2013

> Jup Rahu 04/22/2014

> Sat Sat 09/15/2016

> Sat Merc 09/19/2019

> Sat Ketu 05/29/2022

> Sat Ven 07/08/2023

> Sat Sun 09/07/2026

> Sat Moon 08/20/2027

> Sat Mars 03/20/2029

> Sat Rahu 04/29/2030

> Sat Jup 03/05/2033

> Merc Merc 09/16/2035

> Merc Ketu 02/12/2038

> Merc Ven 02/09/2039

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ashutosh Ji,

My son is Libra Lagana and Libra Rashi, His saturn is in 10th House and retrograde, How do you see his saturn to be ie strong(good) / Weak(Bad). Should he need to wear Blue Supphire, if yes, should he wear it only during Saturn Mahadasha or should he wear for his whole life.

Would be grateful if you could analyze his horoscope.

His Birth details are:

DOB: 27.12.2005

POB Gurgaon, Haryana

TOB 2.40 AM

Regards,

astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr> wrote:

Dear Pradeep,

 

Saturn in aquarius in tenth house will be considered very strong, even though it is retrograde. It will be treated as stronger than a directional saturn in same sign.

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

[The services of this professional astrologer are free on this group but off-group consultations are chargeable]

 

-

Pradeep

 

Friday, 28 July, 2006 10:50

Re: Neelam (blue sepphire) - is it right for this kundli?

 

Ashutosh:

 

Thanks for providing clear understanding. quick question... would

Retrogate Sani in 10th in Kumbh (11) be considered strong or a step

below?

 

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> By strengthening any planet with help of

gems, we actually give it more power over others to perform its

functions well.

>

> The nine planets can be taken as nine children in any

teacher's class. Out of these, some may be very naughty and full of

mischiefs, while a few maybe obedient, intelligent and disciplined.

>

> If the teacher is required to make one or two children as

class monitors, whom will he choose, the mischievious ones or

disciplined ones?

>

> This is why the gems for favorable and strong planets are

recommended, not for weak, negative or malefic planets. The

yogakarak is always a planet which governs the positive and

development related houses, like tenth, fifth, ninth, etc. For

example, If the fifth lord is strong, it gives the native a trong

intellect and wisdom to understand and rectify own mistakes.

>

> This can compensate for what the native lacks due to the

undesirable placement of malefics or negative planets in his chart.

>

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

group but off-group consultations are chargeable]

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> Pradeep

>

> Thursday, 27 July, 2006 08:14

> Neelam (blue sepphire) - is it right for this

kundli?

>

>

> Dear Jyotish-remedies Group:

>

> I am confused... some say that if Sani is already powerful and

well

> placed and yogakarak... this person does not need to wear Sani..

if

> the sweet is already sweet, why add sugar to it.

>

> but some say that since SANI is retrogate, Neelam will benefit

the

> person? whats correct? opnion please...

>

> is Neelam recommended for this person?

>

> Ascendant Taurus 20° 35' Rohini

> Sun Libra 5° 37' Chitra

> Moon Virgo 10° 8' Hasta

> Mars Scorpio 19° 47' Jyestha

> Mercury Libra 21° 33' Visakha

> Jupiter R Gemini 7° 55' Ardra

> Venus Scorpio 21° 11' Jyestha

> Saturn R Aquarius 17° 32' Satabisha

> Rahu Taurus 11° 46' Rohini

> Ketu Scorpio 11° 46' Anuradha

> Uranus Leo 24° 29' Purvaphalguni

> Neptune Libra 25° 35' Visakha

> Pluto Leo 24° 10' Purvaphalguni

>

> North Indian Style Rasi Chart for 1-Tino

>

> *******************************************************

> ** * * **

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * JUP * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * GEM* LAG RAH * ARI* *

> * CAN** **PIS *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * 2 * * *

> * * * * SAT * *

> * LEO * AQU *

> * * * * * *

> * * * SCO * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * MOO * * * * *

> * * * MAR * * *

> * VIR** **CAP *

> * * LIB* KET VEN * SAG* *

> * * * * * *

> * * MER * * * *

> * * SUN * * * *

> * * * * * *

> ** * * **

> *******************************************************

> DASA (vimsottary)

> Jup Jup 09/15/2000

> Jup Sat 11/04/2002

> Jup Merc 05/17/2005

> Jup Ketu 08/23/2007

> Jup Ven 07/29/2008

> Jup Sun 03/30/2011

> Jup Moon 01/16/2012

> Jup Mars 05/17/2013

> Jup Rahu 04/22/2014

> Sat Sat 09/15/2016

> Sat Merc 09/19/2019

> Sat Ketu 05/29/2022

> Sat Ven 07/08/2023

> Sat Sun 09/07/2026

> Sat Moon 08/20/2027

> Sat Mars 03/20/2029

> Sat Rahu 04/29/2030

> Sat Jup 03/05/2033

> Merc Merc 09/16/2035

> Merc Ketu 02/12/2038

> Merc Ven 02/09/2039

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Friend,

 

Your son has a resonable good horoscope and all his dashas are falling at appropriate times in his life.

 

He does not necessarily need a blue sapphire. Even if he wears it, he should do so after he has crossed 30 years of age and has entered saturn-venus period. He should also wear a gem for venus to compliment the effects of saturn.

 

He can wear the gems for saturn and venus whole his life after that..

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

[The services of this professional astrologer are free on this group but off-group consultations are chargeable]

 

 

-

bk k

Friday, 28 July, 2006 15:38

Re: Neelam (blue sepphire) - is it right for this kundli?

 

 

Dear Ashutosh Ji,

 

My son is Libra Lagana and Libra Rashi, His saturn is in 10th House and retrograde, How do you see his saturn to be ie strong(good) / Weak(Bad). Should he need to wear Blue Supphire, if yes, should he wear it only during Saturn Mahadasha or should he wear for his whole life.

 

Would be grateful if you could analyze his horoscope.

 

His Birth details are:

 

DOB: 27.12.2005

POB Gurgaon, Haryana

TOB 2.40 AM

 

Regards,

 

 

astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr> wrote:

Dear Pradeep,

 

Saturn in aquarius in tenth house will be considered very strong, even though it is retrograde. It will be treated as stronger than a directional saturn in same sign.

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

[The services of this professional astrologer are free on this group but off-group consultations are chargeable]

 

-

Pradeep

Friday, 28 July, 2006 10:50

Re: Neelam (blue sepphire) - is it right for this kundli?

 

Ashutosh:

 

Thanks for providing clear understanding. quick question... would

Retrogate Sani in 10th in Kumbh (11) be considered strong or a step

below?

 

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> By strengthening any planet with help of

gems, we actually give it more power over others to perform its

functions well.

>

> The nine planets can be taken as nine children in any

teacher's class. Out of these, some may be very naughty and full of

mischiefs, while a few maybe obedient, intelligent and disciplined.

>

> If the teacher is required to make one or two children as

class monitors, whom will he choose, the mischievious ones or

disciplined ones?

>

> This is why the gems for favorable and strong planets are

recommended, not for weak, negative or malefic planets. The

yogakarak is always a planet which governs the positive and

development related houses, like tenth, fifth, ninth, etc. For

example, If the fifth lord is strong, it gives the native a trong

intellect and wisdom to understand and rectify own mistakes.

>

> This can compensate for what the native lacks due to the

undesirable placement of malefics or negative planets in his chart.

>

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

group but off-group consultations are chargeable]

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> Pradeep

>

> Thursday, 27 July, 2006 08:14

> Neelam (blue sepphire) - is it right for this

kundli?

>

>

> Dear Jyotish-remedies Group:

>

> I am confused... some say that if Sani is already powerful and

well

> placed and yogakarak... this person does not need to wear Sani..

if

> the sweet is already sweet, why add sugar to it.

>

> but some say that since SANI is retrogate, Neelam will benefit

the

> person? whats correct? opnion please...

>

> is Neelam recommended for this person?

>

> Ascendant Taurus 20° 35' Rohini

> Sun Libra 5° 37' Chitra

> Moon Virgo 10° 8' Hasta

> Mars Scorpio 19° 47' Jyestha

> Mercury Libra 21° 33' Visakha

> Jupiter R Gemini 7° 55' Ardra

> Venus Scorpio 21° 11' Jyestha

> Saturn R Aquarius 17° 32' Satabisha

> Rahu Taurus 11° 46' Rohini

> Ketu Scorpio 11° 46' Anuradha

> Uranus Leo 24° 29' Purvaphalguni

> Neptune Libra 25° 35' Visakha

> Pluto Leo 24° 10' Purvaphalguni

>

> North Indian Style Rasi Chart for 1-Tino

>

> *******************************************************

> ** * * **

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * JUP * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * GEM* LAG RAH * ARI* *

> * CAN** **PIS *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * 2 * * *

> * * * * SAT * *

> * LEO * AQU *

> * * * * * *

> * * * SCO * * *

> * * * * * *

> * * * * * *

> * MOO * * * * *

> * * * MAR * * *

> * VIR** **CAP *

> * * LIB* KET VEN * SAG* *

> * * * * * *

> * * MER * * * *

> * * SUN * * * *

> * * * * * *

> ** * * **

> *******************************************************

> DASA (vimsottary)

> Jup Jup 09/15/2000

> Jup Sat 11/04/2002

> Jup Merc 05/17/2005

> Jup Ketu 08/23/2007

> Jup Ven 07/29/2008

> Jup Sun 03/30/2011

> Jup Moon 01/16/2012

> Jup Mars 05/17/2013

> Jup Rahu 04/22/2014

> Sat Sat 09/15/2016

> Sat Merc 09/19/2019

> Sat Ketu 05/29/2022

> Sat Ven 07/08/2023

> Sat Sun 09/07/2026

> Sat Moon 08/20/2027

> Sat Mars 03/20/2029

> Sat Rahu 04/29/2030

> Sat Jup 03/05/2033

> Merc Merc 09/16/2035

> Merc Ketu 02/12/2038

> Merc Ven 02/09/2039

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

dear Mr.haizen,

I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

aspect of an unfavourable planet?

 

k.gopu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Gopu,

 

I could much better answer if I could actually see the

chart for myself. Birth data would be of great help.

 

Sincerely, Haizen Paige

 

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> dear Mr.haizen,

> I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

> know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

> being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

> an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

> malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

> the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

> aspect of an unfavourable planet?

>

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

dear Mr.haizen,

thank u for ur kind reply. I have posted a general

question,it isnt connected with my horoscope.

with good wishes,

k.gopu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello K. Gopu,

 

I would answer your question in two parts:

 

(1) The wearing of a gem for the lagna lord is said to

fortify that planet's ability to handle any aspect from

an unfavorable planet. But in my view, the malefic

qualities of an unfavorable planet are not necessarily

reduced. (Why should they be unless that troublesome

planet is dealt with directly?) What I believe happens is

that the lagna lord is better able to handle the challenges

of the unfavorable planet because it is stronger and works

more efficiently. But strengthening the lord is only one side

of the issue.

 

(2) To directly reduce the troublesome influence of an

unfavorable planet--a functional malefic or Rahu and Ketu

--a separate action in the form of charities or propitiations

are considered helpful according to the nature of the

unfavorable planet.

 

Usually Step 1 is done without Step 2, but I consider both

important and recommend them to the people I work with.

This is a better way to go because nothing is neglected and

it's a complete planetary remedy.

 

These same principles can be applied to the use of mantras

to strength or neutralize planetary energies, or to the use

of colors, such as wearing more of the favorable ones and

avoiding those that are unfavorable. Inexpensive gems have

little or no power, and one shouldn't have to go bankrupt to

harness the highest frequencies of certain planetary energies

or to neutralize their harmful effects.

 

One astrologer's opinion.

 

Best wishes, Haizen

 

 

 

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> dear Mr.haizen,

> I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

> know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

> being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

> an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

> malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

> the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

> aspect of an unfavourable planet?

>

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Beautiful answer.

Bhaskar.

 

, "haizen" <haizen wrote:

>

> Hello K. Gopu,

>

> I would answer your question in two parts:

>

> (1) The wearing of a gem for the lagna lord is said to

> fortify that planet's ability to handle any aspect from

> an unfavorable planet. But in my view, the malefic

> qualities of an unfavorable planet are not necessarily

> reduced. (Why should they be unless that troublesome

> planet is dealt with directly?) What I believe happens is

> that the lagna lord is better able to handle the challenges

> of the unfavorable planet because it is stronger and works

> more efficiently. But strengthening the lord is only one side

> of the issue.

>

> (2) To directly reduce the troublesome influence of an

> unfavorable planet--a functional malefic or Rahu and Ketu

> --a separate action in the form of charities or propitiations

> are considered helpful according to the nature of the

> unfavorable planet.

>

> Usually Step 1 is done without Step 2, but I consider both

> important and recommend them to the people I work with.

> This is a better way to go because nothing is neglected and

> it's a complete planetary remedy.

>

> These same principles can be applied to the use of mantras

> to strength or neutralize planetary energies, or to the use

> of colors, such as wearing more of the favorable ones and

> avoiding those that are unfavorable. Inexpensive gems have

> little or no power, and one shouldn't have to go bankrupt to

> harness the highest frequencies of certain planetary energies

> or to neutralize their harmful effects.

>

> One astrologer's opinion.

>

> Best wishes, Haizen

>

>

>

>

> , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> >

> > dear Mr.haizen,

> > I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

> > know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

> > being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

> > an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

> > malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

> > the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

> > aspect of an unfavourable planet?

> >

> > k.gopu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello K. Gopu,

 

I would answer your question in two parts:

 

(1) The wearing of a gem for the lagna lord is said to

fortify that planet's ability to handle any aspect from

an unfavorable planet. But in my view, the malefic

qualities of an unfavorable planet are not necessarily

reduced. (Why should they be unless that troublesome

planet is dealt with directly?) What I believe happens is

that the lagna lord is better able to handle the challenges

of the unfavorable planet because it is stronger and works

more efficiently. But strengthening the lord is only one side

of the issue.

 

(2) To directly reduce the troublesome influence of an

unfavorable planet--a functional malefic or Rahu and Ketu

--a separate action in the form of charities or propitiations

are considered helpful according to the nature of the

unfavorable planet.

 

Usually Step 1 is done without Step 2, but I consider both

important and recommend them to the people I work with.

This is a better way to go because nothing is neglected and

it's a complete planetary remedy.

 

These same principles can be applied to the use of mantras

to strengthen or neutralize planetary energies, or to the use

of colors, such as wearing more of the favorable ones and

avoiding those that are unfavorable. Inexpensive gems have

little or no power, and one shouldn't have to go bankrupt to

harness the highest frequencies of certain planetary energies

or to neutralize their harmful effects.

 

One astrologer's opinion.

 

Best wishes, Haizen

 

 

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> dear Mr.haizen,

> I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

> know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

> being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

> an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

> malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

> the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

> aspect of an unfavourable planet?

>

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar, Thanks, my friend....Haizen

 

, "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Beautiful answer.

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello K. Gopu,

> >

> > I would answer your question in two parts:

> >

> > (1) The wearing of a gem for the lagna lord is said to

> > fortify that planet's ability to handle any aspect from

> > an unfavorable planet. But in my view, the malefic

> > qualities of an unfavorable planet are not necessarily

> > reduced. (Why should they be unless that troublesome

> > planet is dealt with directly?) What I believe happens is

> > that the lagna lord is better able to handle the challenges

> > of the unfavorable planet because it is stronger and works

> > more efficiently. But strengthening the lord is only one side

> > of the issue.

> >

> > (2) To directly reduce the troublesome influence of an

> > unfavorable planet--a functional malefic or Rahu and Ketu

> > --a separate action in the form of charities or propitiations

> > are considered helpful according to the nature of the

> > unfavorable planet.

> >

> > Usually Step 1 is done without Step 2, but I consider both

> > important and recommend them to the people I work with.

> > This is a better way to go because nothing is neglected and

> > it's a complete planetary remedy.

> >

> > These same principles can be applied to the use of mantras

> > to strength or neutralize planetary energies, or to the use

> > of colors, such as wearing more of the favorable ones and

> > avoiding those that are unfavorable. Inexpensive gems have

> > little or no power, and one shouldn't have to go bankrupt to

> > harness the highest frequencies of certain planetary energies

> > or to neutralize their harmful effects.

> >

> > One astrologer's opinion.

> >

> > Best wishes, Haizen

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear Mr.haizen,

> > > I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

> > > know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

> > > being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

> > > an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

> > > malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

> > > the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

> > > aspect of an unfavourable planet?

> > >

> > > k.gopu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

dear Mr>haizen,

thanks for the reply.

with good wishes,

k.gopu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

dear haizen

 

vedas and all ancient classics clearly spelt what you mentioned in

the second that daan is the dharma of kaliyuga and if anyone wish to

gain punyam (merit) it can be done by daan.

 

because of this reason, i slightly disagree with lalkitab where it

prohibits donation of certain goods saying that by doing so the

concerned planet would become weak. but i personally preach and

practice that any donation or offering does not get any backlash or

negative reaction.

 

with best wishes

pandit arjun

(world wide web is like a mayajaal. everything looks virtually

real, yet unreal).

 

 

, "haizen" <haizen wrote:

>

> Hello K. Gopu,

>

> I would answer your question in two parts:

>

> (1) The wearing of a gem for the lagna lord is said to

> fortify that planet's ability to handle any aspect from

> an unfavorable planet. But in my view, the malefic

> qualities of an unfavorable planet are not necessarily

> reduced. (Why should they be unless that troublesome

> planet is dealt with directly?) What I believe happens is

> that the lagna lord is better able to handle the challenges

> of the unfavorable planet because it is stronger and works

> more efficiently. But strengthening the lord is only one side

> of the issue.

>

> (2) To directly reduce the troublesome influence of an

> unfavorable planet--a functional malefic or Rahu and Ketu

> --a separate action in the form of charities or propitiations

> are considered helpful according to the nature of the

> unfavorable planet.

>

> Usually Step 1 is done without Step 2, but I consider both

> important and recommend them to the people I work with.

> This is a better way to go because nothing is neglected and

> it's a complete planetary remedy.

>

> These same principles can be applied to the use of mantras

> to strengthen or neutralize planetary energies, or to the use

> of colors, such as wearing more of the favorable ones and

> avoiding those that are unfavorable. Inexpensive gems have

> little or no power, and one shouldn't have to go bankrupt to

> harness the highest frequencies of certain planetary energies

> or to neutralize their harmful effects.

>

> One astrologer's opinion.

>

> Best wishes, Haizen

>

>

>

> , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> >

> > dear Mr.haizen,

> > I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

> > know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

> > being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

> > an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

> > malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

> > the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

> > aspect of an unfavourable planet?

> >

> > k.gopu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Gopu,

 

You're welcome.

 

The best to you....Haizen

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> dear Mr>haizen,

> thanks for the reply.

> with good wishes,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pandit,

 

Thank you for this interesting reply. I agree with you about

the efficacy of making donations. To give of one's abundance

I feel is a very good thing. What if all one's unfavorable aspects

were the result of selfishness? Giving is a corrective and reverses

the flow of selfish energy. That means it's a win-win situation all

around.

 

Thanks again.

 

Haizen

 

, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004

wrote:

>

> dear haizen

>

> vedas and all ancient classics clearly spelt what you mentioned in

> the second that daan is the dharma of kaliyuga and if anyone wish to

> gain punyam (merit) it can be done by daan.

>

> because of this reason, i slightly disagree with lalkitab where it

> prohibits donation of certain goods saying that by doing so the

> concerned planet would become weak. but i personally preach and

> practice that any donation or offering does not get any backlash or

> negative reaction.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

> (world wide web is like a mayajaal. everything looks virtually

> real, yet unreal).

>

>

> , "haizen" <haizen@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello K. Gopu,

> >

> > I would answer your question in two parts:

> >

> > (1) The wearing of a gem for the lagna lord is said to

> > fortify that planet's ability to handle any aspect from

> > an unfavorable planet. But in my view, the malefic

> > qualities of an unfavorable planet are not necessarily

> > reduced. (Why should they be unless that troublesome

> > planet is dealt with directly?) What I believe happens is

> > that the lagna lord is better able to handle the challenges

> > of the unfavorable planet because it is stronger and works

> > more efficiently. But strengthening the lord is only one side

> > of the issue.

> >

> > (2) To directly reduce the troublesome influence of an

> > unfavorable planet--a functional malefic or Rahu and Ketu

> > --a separate action in the form of charities or propitiations

> > are considered helpful according to the nature of the

> > unfavorable planet.

> >

> > Usually Step 1 is done without Step 2, but I consider both

> > important and recommend them to the people I work with.

> > This is a better way to go because nothing is neglected and

> > it's a complete planetary remedy.

> >

> > These same principles can be applied to the use of mantras

> > to strengthen or neutralize planetary energies, or to the use

> > of colors, such as wearing more of the favorable ones and

> > avoiding those that are unfavorable. Inexpensive gems have

> > little or no power, and one shouldn't have to go bankrupt to

> > harness the highest frequencies of certain planetary energies

> > or to neutralize their harmful effects.

> >

> > One astrologer's opinion.

> >

> > Best wishes, Haizen

> >

> >

> >

> > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear Mr.haizen,

> > > I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

> > > know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

> > > being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

> > > an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

> > > malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

> > > the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

> > > aspect of an unfavourable planet?

> > >

> > > k.gopu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaskaar Sri Rohini

 

This is a question that bothered me for a long time. The resolution of the

same may not come completely unless we have a method of finding out the

exact effects of gemstones. There is currently no scientific instrument to

do so, atleast to my know-how.

 

You may still read the following:

One wears a gemstone of a particular planet to increase its energy upon

oneself. This is generally the unquestioned belief. Some believe that the

Gemstone is pervaded by a deity. Some believe that the light given out

appeases the graha (as you are aware an Emerald gives out Green Light and

therefore, appeases the graha). Some believe that the gemstone alters the

aura (read pranas) and therefore, benefits us. I am sure there will be more

reasons but the important point is that they do have an effect.

 

Everything in Universe is alive and it has small or big effects on each one

of us. Even to an extent, a plant is kept in your room, there will be a

profound effect on you. The problem is that one cannot measure its effects.

 

Now to your question - Why should we not donate the gemstones for the

benefic planets? The logic used here is that one may give what is due and

not give what is not due. "Malefic" is a word given to those grahas which

are not giving us what we want. Generally the belief is that these grahas

act as badhas and pose dangers to us, because we owe something in karma to

their significations. To give what we owe, seems like the correct thing to

do. So one gives.

 

The "benefic" planets are there so because of the karmic giving. Since that

is learnt, it is likely to continue whether the gemstone is given or not. I

have no reasons to believe that giving a gemstone of a benefic is going to

harm the native.

 

I have very different views upon Giving too. Many may disagree. For me,

Giving is "not giving". It should just flow as naturally as possible. Else,

giving can give a great boost to ego. Grahas are directing us towards a

least resistance "path" to Godhead, we are the ones resisting and that makes

for Grahas to be "good or bad". Giving with that ego sense is not going to

appease any Graha or lead to a least resistance "path".

 

I hope I have not added to the confusion.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/31/06, crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Arjunji,

>

> I am attaching my two cents and a question really to your recent

> posting but that does not mean that I am necessarily asking this

> question for you to address, primarily. It is a general post and

> question. All may respond and enlighten me and hopefully other

> members too.

>

> ****************

> I have asked this before, not just here, and I have looked for

> directions in classics on jyotish but never really convincingly found

> recommendations that wearing a gemstone will fix the problems posed

> by a planet or will appease it. The gemstones are mentioned but I

> always assumed that it was not about 'wearing' those but

> rather 'donating' those to others. Like rich folks and Kings and

> Superkings (maharajas and Chakravarthis) did in the glorious past of

> India.

>

> When did the donation become 'acquisition and wearing'?

>

> I think it is an interesting arrangement since no loss or absolute

> expenditure is involved but rather an investement! All gemstones are

> going to inflate in cost and grow in their worth! Something does not

> seem right there.

>

> Now, I realize there are subtle aspects about vibrations and so on

> that may play a role into this healing power of gems through wearing

> or consuming the pishtis and so on.

>

> If donation of a gemstone is truly the way to appease the planetary

> deva, perhaps acquisition and wearing is actually going the opposite

> way since it is not the loss (12) but gain (11) of the gemstone and

> the energies or vibrations it represents.

>

> Does this make sense, fellow astrologers?

>

> RR

>

> <%40>,

> "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004 wrote:

> >

> > dear haizen

> >

> > vedas and all ancient classics clearly spelt what you mentioned in

> > the second that daan is the dharma of kaliyuga and if anyone wish

> to

> > gain punyam (merit) it can be done by daan.

> >

> > because of this reason, i slightly disagree with lalkitab where it

> > prohibits donation of certain goods saying that by doing so the

> > concerned planet would become weak. but i personally preach and

> > practice that any donation or offering does not get any backlash or

> > negative reaction.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > pandit arjun

> > (world wide web is like a mayajaal. everything looks virtually

> > real, yet unreal).

> >

> >

> > <%40>, "haizen" <haizen@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello K. Gopu,

> > >

> > > I would answer your question in two parts:

> > >

> > > (1) The wearing of a gem for the lagna lord is said to

> > > fortify that planet's ability to handle any aspect from

> > > an unfavorable planet. But in my view, the malefic

> > > qualities of an unfavorable planet are not necessarily

> > > reduced. (Why should they be unless that troublesome

> > > planet is dealt with directly?) What I believe happens is

> > > that the lagna lord is better able to handle the challenges

> > > of the unfavorable planet because it is stronger and works

> > > more efficiently. But strengthening the lord is only one side

> > > of the issue.

> > >

> > > (2) To directly reduce the troublesome influence of an

> > > unfavorable planet--a functional malefic or Rahu and Ketu

> > > --a separate action in the form of charities or propitiations

> > > are considered helpful according to the nature of the

> > > unfavorable planet.

> > >

> > > Usually Step 1 is done without Step 2, but I consider both

> > > important and recommend them to the people I work with.

> > > This is a better way to go because nothing is neglected and

> > > it's a complete planetary remedy.

> > >

> > > These same principles can be applied to the use of mantras

> > > to strengthen or neutralize planetary energies, or to the use

> > > of colors, such as wearing more of the favorable ones and

> > > avoiding those that are unfavorable. Inexpensive gems have

> > > little or no power, and one shouldn't have to go bankrupt to

> > > harness the highest frequencies of certain planetary energies

> > > or to neutralize their harmful effects.

> > >

> > > One astrologer's opinion.

> > >

> > > Best wishes, Haizen

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> <%40>, K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear Mr.haizen,

> > > > I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

> > > > know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

> > > > being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

> > > > an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

> > > > malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

> > > > the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

> > > > aspect of an unfavourable planet?

> > > >

> > > > k.gopu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji

 

You have narrated beautifully the purpose and true rationale of any remedial measure. If any remedial measure fails to invoke surrender (ofcourse without ego), then it may not work. Even while, feeding dogs, I am tested on the similiar incidents. and Let me confess you, couple of times, when I was arrogant with dogs, I suffered. We need to understand the essense of the remedial measure.

 

Ranjan ji, you raised a very valid point. It is the donation of gems, which are prescribed in the texts. However, in modern times - astrologers do recommend gems (perhaps based upon their experiences). Can gems match the karmic balances!!

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

To fear love is to fear life, and those who fear life are already three parts dead.

 

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:23:55 -0000

>

> Re: A question about the philosophy behind wearing

> gemstones!

>

> Bharat Bhai,

>

> This being a public Forum, excuse me for coming in. But coming

> to support views only.

> Yes,giving minus ego is going to give the best results, and

> actually benefic results.

> My own example- A year back,every Saturday for few saturdays I

> continued giving food packets to poor people outside temple.

> The intentions were good, no ego was there,initially, maybe not

> afterwards too, but what happened....

> Ever Saturday when reaching temple all poor people,children

> used to croud around me before I could enter the temple,

> waiting for me to open my bag. This happened again for couple of

> Saturdays. Eventually going to temple for darshan became secondary,

> but this crowding around me starting giving me a high, and the

> result of course was unintended Ego boosting., and

> when next Saturday approached again the high used to occur.

> When I realised what was happening to me , I immediately

> stopped giving a single packet, suffered for few saturdays,

> when could not give anything to these poor,but my decesion

> was firm, I was not going to allow the Ego to overcome,

> and now the state is such that when I go to the temple no

> one knows me,or know that nothing will come from here,

> except for a old lady beggar who acknowledges me sweetly,

> and I too sweetly part with Rs. 1 or 2- No ego feeding

> more than that I allow myself. Not that she would care

> for this paltry sum, but affections develop.

>

> So what You mentioned I agree.

>

> Regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

> <hinduastrology wrote:

>>

>> Namaskaar Sri Rohini

>>

>> This is a question that bothered me for a long time. The resolution

> of the

>> same may not come completely unless we have a method of finding out

> the

>> exact effects of gemstones. There is currently no scientific

> instrument to

>> do so, atleast to my know-how.

>>

>> You may still read the following:

>> One wears a gemstone of a particular planet to increase its energy

> upon

>> oneself. This is generally the unquestioned belief. Some believe

> that the

>> Gemstone is pervaded by a deity. Some believe that the light given

> out

>> appeases the graha (as you are aware an Emerald gives out Green

> Light and

>> therefore, appeases the graha). Some believe that the gemstone

> alters the

>> aura (read pranas) and therefore, benefits us. I am sure there will

> be more

>> reasons but the important point is that they do have an effect.

>>

>> Everything in Universe is alive and it has small or big effects on

> each one

>> of us. Even to an extent, a plant is kept in your room, there will

> be a

>> profound effect on you. The problem is that one cannot measure its

> effects.

>>

>> Now to your question - Why should we not donate the gemstones for

> the

>> benefic planets? The logic used here is that one may give what is

> due and

>> not give what is not due. "Malefic" is a word given to those grahas

> which

>> are not giving us what we want. Generally the belief is that these

> grahas

>> act as badhas and pose dangers to us, because we owe something in

> karma to

>> their significations. To give what we owe, seems like the correct

> thing to

>> do. So one gives.

>>

>> The "benefic" planets are there so because of the karmic giving.

> Since that

>> is learnt, it is likely to continue whether the gemstone is given

> or not. I

>> have no reasons to believe that giving a gemstone of a benefic is

> going to

>> harm the native.

>>

>> I have very different views upon Giving too. Many may disagree. For

> me,

>> Giving is "not giving". It should just flow as naturally as

> possible. Else,

>> giving can give a great boost to ego. Grahas are directing us

> towards a

>> least resistance "path" to Godhead, we are the ones resisting and

> that makes

>> for Grahas to be "good or bad". Giving with that ego sense is not

> going to

>> appease any Graha or lead to a least resistance "path".

>>

>> I hope I have not added to the confusion.

>>

>> Thanks and Regards

>> Bharat

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On 7/31/06, crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

>>>

>>> Arjunji,

>>>

>>> I am attaching my two cents and a question really to your recent

>>> posting but that does not mean that I am necessarily asking this

>>> question for you to address, primarily. It is a general post and

>>> question. All may respond and enlighten me and hopefully other

>>> members too.

>>>

>>> ****************

>>> I have asked this before, not just here, and I have looked for

>>> directions in classics on jyotish but never really convincingly

> found

>>> recommendations that wearing a gemstone will fix the problems

> posed

>>> by a planet or will appease it. The gemstones are mentioned but I

>>> always assumed that it was not about 'wearing' those but

>>> rather 'donating' those to others. Like rich folks and Kings and

>>> Superkings (maharajas and Chakravarthis) did in the glorious past

> of

>>> India.

>>>

>>> When did the donation become 'acquisition and wearing'?

>>>

>>> I think it is an interesting arrangement since no loss or absolute

>>> expenditure is involved but rather an investement! All gemstones

> are

>>> going to inflate in cost and grow in their worth! Something does

> not

>>> seem right there.

>>>

>>> Now, I realize there are subtle aspects about vibrations and so on

>>> that may play a role into this healing power of gems through

> wearing

>>> or consuming the pishtis and so on.

>>>

>>> If donation of a gemstone is truly the way to appease the

> planetary

>>> deva, perhaps acquisition and wearing is actually going the

> opposite

>>> way since it is not the loss (12) but gain (11) of the gemstone

> and

>>> the energies or vibrations it represents.

>>>

>>> Does this make sense, fellow astrologers?

>>>

>>> RR

>>>

>>> <%

> 40>,

>>> "panditarjun2004"

>>> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> dear haizen

>>>>

>>>> vedas and all ancient classics clearly spelt what you mentioned

> in

>>>> the second that daan is the dharma of kaliyuga and if anyone

> wish

>>> to

>>>> gain punyam (merit) it can be done by daan.

>>>>

>>>> because of this reason, i slightly disagree with lalkitab where

> it

>>>> prohibits donation of certain goods saying that by doing so the

>>>> concerned planet would become weak. but i personally preach and

>>>> practice that any donation or offering does not get any

> backlash or

>>>> negative reaction.

>>>>

>>>> with best wishes

>>>> pandit arjun

>>>> (world wide web is like a mayajaal. everything looks virtually

>>>> real, yet unreal).

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> <%

> 40>, "haizen" <haizen@> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Hello K. Gopu,

>>>>>

>>>>> I would answer your question in two parts:

>>>>>

>>>>> (1) The wearing of a gem for the lagna lord is said to

>>>>> fortify that planet's ability to handle any aspect from

>>>>> an unfavorable planet. But in my view, the malefic

>>>>> qualities of an unfavorable planet are not necessarily

>>>>> reduced. (Why should they be unless that troublesome

>>>>> planet is dealt with directly?) What I believe happens is

>>>>> that the lagna lord is better able to handle the challenges

>>>>> of the unfavorable planet because it is stronger and works

>>>>> more efficiently. But strengthening the lord is only one side

>>>>> of the issue.

>>>>>

>>>>> (2) To directly reduce the troublesome influence of an

>>>>> unfavorable planet--a functional malefic or Rahu and Ketu

>>>>> --a separate action in the form of charities or propitiations

>>>>> are considered helpful according to the nature of the

>>>>> unfavorable planet.

>>>>>

>>>>> Usually Step 1 is done without Step 2, but I consider both

>>>>> important and recommend them to the people I work with.

>>>>> This is a better way to go because nothing is neglected and

>>>>> it's a complete planetary remedy.

>>>>>

>>>>> These same principles can be applied to the use of mantras

>>>>> to strengthen or neutralize planetary energies, or to the use

>>>>> of colors, such as wearing more of the favorable ones and

>>>>> avoiding those that are unfavorable. Inexpensive gems have

>>>>> little or no power, and one shouldn't have to go bankrupt to

>>>>> harness the highest frequencies of certain planetary energies

>>>>> or to neutralize their harmful effects.

>>>>>

>>>>> One astrologer's opinion.

>>>>>

>>>>> Best wishes, Haizen

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>> <%40>, K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> dear Mr.haizen,

>>>>>> I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

>>>>>> know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

>>>>>> being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

>>>>>> an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

>>>>>> malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

>>>>>> the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

>>>>>> aspect of an unfavourable planet?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> k.gopu

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> around

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Sharma ji / Ranjan ji

 

Selfless service is always a good karma. and if any thinking, which directs person to good karma, has to be a good karma.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight.. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime?

 

 

>

> polite_astro

> Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:13:28 -0700 (PDT)

> ,

> Re: Is this wrong thinking? - Prafulla

>

> ll HARE RAM ll

> Dear Mr.Prafulla,

> I know a family live at my native place.The members of this family give

> ten rotis minimum to street dogs daily in early hours without any break

> till today while now the third generation has come but there is no

> arguement regarding this habit.If some one do ask them about the

> same,they give very simple answer"As we got some others as ancestral

> property so as we got the same like that.We do not know or do not want to

> know what we are getting to do this but we know this is a good

> karma.That's all.Is this

> wrong thinking?

>

> God Bless

> Shashie Shekhar

>

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> You have narrated beautifully the purpose and true rationale of any

> remedial measure. If any remedial measure fails to invoke surrender

> (ofcourse without ego), then it may not work. Even while, feeding dogs, I

> am tested on the similiar incidents. and Let me confess you, couple of

> times, when I was arrogant with dogs, I suffered. We need to understand

> the essense of the remedial measure.

>

> Ranjan ji, you raised a very valid point. It is the donation of gems,

> which are prescribed in the texts. However, in modern times - astrologers

> do recommend gems (perhaps based upon their experiences). Can gems match

> the karmic balances!!

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> To fear love is to fear life, and those who fear life are already three

> parts dead.

>

>

>>

>> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

>> Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:23:55 -0000

>>

>> Re: A question about the philosophy behind wearing

>> gemstones!

>>

>> Bharat Bhai,

>>

>> This being a public Forum, excuse me for coming in. But coming

>> to support views only.

>> Yes,giving minus ego is going to give the best results, and

>> actually benefic results.

>> My own example- A year back,every Saturday for few saturdays I

>> continued giving food packets to poor people outside temple.

>> The intentions were good, no ego was there,initially, maybe not

>> afterwards too, but what happened....

>> Ever Saturday when reaching temple all poor people,children

>> used to croud around me before I could enter the temple,

>> waiting for me to open my bag. This happened again for couple of

>> Saturdays. Eventually going to temple for darshan became secondary,

>> but this crowding around me starting giving me a high, and the

>> result of course was unintended Ego boosting., and

>> when next Saturday approached again the high used to occur.

>> When I realised what was happening to me , I immediately

>> stopped giving a single packet, suffered for few saturdays,

>> when could not give anything to these poor,but my decesion

>> was firm, I was not going to allow the Ego to overcome,

>> and now the state is such that when I go to the temple no

>> one knows me,or know that nothing will come from here,

>> except for a old lady beggar who acknowledges me sweetly,

>> and I too sweetly part with Rs. 1 or 2- No ego feeding

>> more than that I allow myself. Not that she would care

>> for this paltry sum, but affections develop.

>>

>> So what You mentioned I agree.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Bhaskar.

>>

>>

>>

>> , "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

>> wrote:

>>>

>>> Namaskaar Sri Rohini

>>>

>>> This is a question that bothered me for a long time. The resolution

>> of the

>>> same may not come completely unless we have a method of finding out

>> the

>>> exact effects of gemstones. There is currently no scientific

>> instrument to

>>> do so, atleast to my know-how.

>>>

>>> You may still read the following:

>>> One wears a gemstone of a particular planet to increase its energy

>> upon

>>> oneself. This is generally the unquestioned belief. Some believe

>> that the

>>> Gemstone is pervaded by a deity. Some believe that the light given

>> out

>>> appeases the graha (as you are aware an Emerald gives out Green

>> Light and

>>> therefore, appeases the graha). Some believe that the gemstone

>> alters the

>>> aura (read pranas) and therefore, benefits us. I am sure there will

>> be more

>>> reasons but the important point is that they do have an effect.

>>>

>>> Everything in Universe is alive and it has small or big effects on

>> each one

>>> of us. Even to an extent, a plant is kept in your room, there will

>> be a

>>> profound effect on you. The problem is that one cannot measure its

>> effects.

>>>

>>> Now to your question - Why should we not donate the gemstones for

>> the

>>> benefic planets? The logic used here is that one may give what is

>> due and

>>> not give what is not due. "Malefic" is a word given to those grahas

>> which

>>> are not giving us what we want. Generally the belief is that these

>> grahas

>>> act as badhas and pose dangers to us, because we owe something in

>> karma to

>>> their significations. To give what we owe, seems like the correct

>> thing to

>>> do. So one gives.

>>>

>>> The "benefic" planets are there so because of the karmic giving.

>> Since that

>>> is learnt, it is likely to continue whether the gemstone is given

>> or not. I

>>> have no reasons to believe that giving a gemstone of a benefic is

>> going to

>>> harm the native.

>>>

>>> I have very different views upon Giving too. Many may disagree. For

>> me,

>>> Giving is "not giving". It should just flow as naturally as

>> possible. Else,

>>> giving can give a great boost to ego. Grahas are directing us

>> towards a

>>> least resistance "path" to Godhead, we are the ones resisting and

>> that makes

>>> for Grahas to be "good or bad". Giving with that ego sense is not

>> going to

>>> appease any Graha or lead to a least resistance "path".

>>>

>>> I hope I have not added to the confusion.

>>>

>>> Thanks and Regards

>>> Bharat

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On 7/31/06, crystal pages wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Arjunji,

>>>>

>>>> I am attaching my two cents and a question really to your recent

>>>> posting but that does not mean that I am necessarily asking this

>>>> question for you to address, primarily. It is a general post and

>>>> question. All may respond and enlighten me and hopefully other

>>>> members too.

>>>>

>>>> ****************

>>>> I have asked this before, not just here, and I have looked for

>>>> directions in classics on jyotish but never really convincingly

>> found

>>>> recommendations that wearing a gemstone will fix the problems

>> posed

>>>> by a planet or will appease it. The gemstones are mentioned but I

>>>> always assumed that it was not about 'wearing' those but

>>>> rather 'donating' those to others. Like rich folks and Kings and

>>>> Superkings (maharajas and Chakravarthis) did in the glorious past

>> of

>>>> India.

>>>>

>>>> When did the donation become 'acquisition and wearing'?

>>>>

>>>> I think it is an interesting arrangement since no loss or absolute

>>>> expenditure is involved but rather an investement! All gemstones

>> are

>>>> going to inflate in cost and grow in their worth! Something does

>> not

>>>> seem right there.

>>>>

>>>> Now, I realize there are subtle aspects about vibrations and so on

>>>> that may play a role into this healing power of gems through

>> wearing

>>>> or consuming the pishtis and so on.

>>>>

>>>> If donation of a gemstone is truly the way to appease the

>> planetary

>>>> deva, perhaps acquisition and wearing is actually going the

>> opposite

>>>> way since it is not the loss (12) but gain (11) of the gemstone

>> and

>>>> the energies or vibrations it represents.

>>>>

>>>> Does this make sense, fellow astrologers?

>>>>

>>>> RR

>>>>

>>>> > 40>,

>>>> "panditarjun2004"

>>>>

> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> dear haizen

>>>>>

>>>>> vedas and all ancient classics clearly spelt what you mentioned

>> in

>>>>> the second that daan is the dharma of kaliyuga and if anyone

>> wish

>>>> to

>>>>> gain punyam (merit) it can be done by daan.

>>>>>

>>>>> because of this reason, i slightly disagree with lalkitab where

>> it

>>>>> prohibits donation of certain goods saying that by doing so the

>>>>> concerned planet would become weak. but i personally preach and

>>>>> practice that any donation or offering does not get any

>> backlash or

>>>>> negative reaction.

>>>>>

>>>>> with best wishes

>>>>> pandit arjun

>>>>> (world wide web is like a mayajaal. everything looks virtually

>>>>> real, yet unreal).

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> > 40>, "haizen"

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hello K. Gopu,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I would answer your question in two parts:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> (1) The wearing of a gem for the lagna lord is said to

>>>>>> fortify that planet's ability to handle any aspect from

>>>>>> an unfavorable planet. But in my view, the malefic

>>>>>> qualities of an unfavorable planet are not necessarily

>>>>>> reduced. (Why should they be unless that troublesome

>>>>>> planet is dealt with directly?) What I believe happens is

>>>>>> that the lagna lord is better able to handle the challenges

>>>>>> of the unfavorable planet because it is stronger and works

>>>>>> more efficiently. But strengthening the lord is only one side

>>>>>> of the issue.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> (2) To directly reduce the troublesome influence of an

>>>>>> unfavorable planet--a functional malefic or Rahu and Ketu

>>>>>> --a separate action in the form of charities or propitiations

>>>>>> are considered helpful according to the nature of the

>>>>>> unfavorable planet.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Usually Step 1 is done without Step 2, but I consider both

>>>>>> important and recommend them to the people I work with.

>>>>>> This is a better way to go because nothing is neglected and

>>>>>> it's a complete planetary remedy.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> These same principles can be applied to the use of mantras

>>>>>> to strengthen or neutralize planetary energies, or to the use

>>>>>> of colors, such as wearing more of the favorable ones and

>>>>>> avoiding those that are unfavorable. Inexpensive gems have

>>>>>> little or no power, and one shouldn't have to go bankrupt to

>>>>>> harness the highest frequencies of certain planetary energies

>>>>>> or to neutralize their harmful effects.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> One astrologer's opinion.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Best wishes, Haizen

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>> , K Gopu wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> dear Mr.haizen,

>>>>>>> I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

>>>>>>> know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

>>>>>>> being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

>>>>>>> an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

>>>>>>> malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

>>>>>>> the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

>>>>>>> aspect of an unfavourable planet?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> k.gopu

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

>> around

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ranjan ji

 

I just liked the quote. Perhaps, during night hours - there is less distractions.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight.. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime?

 

 

>

> jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

> Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:46:10 -0000

>

> Re: Is this wrong thinking? - Prafulla

>

> Prafulla,

>

> Didn't you know that the best work can only be done during the night?

>

> RR

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Shri Sharma ji / Ranjan ji

>>

>> Selfless service is always a good karma. and if any thinking, which

> directs person to good karma, has to be a good karma.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by

> candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to

> do their work during the daytime?

>>

>>

>>>

>>> polite_astro

>>> Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:13:28 -0700 (PDT)

>>> ,

>

>>> Re: Is this wrong thinking? - Prafulla

>>>

>>> ll HARE RAM ll

>>> Dear Mr.Prafulla,

>>> I know a family live at my native place.The members of this

> family give

>>> ten rotis minimum to street dogs daily in early hours without any

> break

>>> till today while now the third generation has come but there is no

>>> arguement regarding this habit.If some one do ask them about the

>>> same,they give very simple answer"As we got some others as

> ancestral

>>> property so as we got the same like that.We do not know or do not

> want to

>>> know what we are getting to do this but we know this is a good

>>> karma.That's all.Is this

>>> wrong thinking?

>>>

>>> God Bless

>>> Shashie Shekhar

>>>

>>>

>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>>

>>> You have narrated beautifully the purpose and true rationale of

> any

>>> remedial measure. If any remedial measure fails to invoke

> surrender

>>> (ofcourse without ego), then it may not work. Even while, feeding

> dogs, I

>>> am tested on the similiar incidents. and Let me confess you,

> couple of

>>> times, when I was arrogant with dogs, I suffered. We need to

> understand

>>> the essense of the remedial measure.

>>>

>>> Ranjan ji, you raised a very valid point. It is the donation of

> gems,

>>> which are prescribed in the texts. However, in modern times -

> astrologers

>>> do recommend gems (perhaps based upon their experiences). Can

> gems match

>>> the karmic balances!!

>>>

>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>

>>> To fear love is to fear life, and those who fear life are already

> three

>>> parts dead.

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> bhaskar_jyotish

>>>> Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:23:55 -0000

>>>>

>>>> Re: A question about the philosophy behind wearing

>>>> gemstones!

>>>>

>>>> Bharat Bhai,

>>>>

>>>> This being a public Forum, excuse me for coming in. But coming

>>>> to support views only.

>>>> Yes,giving minus ego is going to give the best results, and

>>>> actually benefic results.

>>>> My own example- A year back,every Saturday for few saturdays I

>>>> continued giving food packets to poor people outside temple.

>>>> The intentions were good, no ego was there,initially, maybe not

>>>> afterwards too, but what happened....

>>>> Ever Saturday when reaching temple all poor people,children

>>>> used to croud around me before I could enter the temple,

>>>> waiting for me to open my bag. This happened again for couple of

>>>> Saturdays. Eventually going to temple for darshan became

> secondary,

>>>> but this crowding around me starting giving me a high, and the

>>>> result of course was unintended Ego boosting., and

>>>> when next Saturday approached again the high used to occur.

>>>> When I realised what was happening to me , I immediately

>>>> stopped giving a single packet, suffered for few saturdays,

>>>> when could not give anything to these poor,but my decesion

>>>> was firm, I was not going to allow the Ego to overcome,

>>>> and now the state is such that when I go to the temple no

>>>> one knows me,or know that nothing will come from here,

>>>> except for a old lady beggar who acknowledges me sweetly,

>>>> and I too sweetly part with Rs. 1 or 2- No ego feeding

>>>> more than that I allow myself. Not that she would care

>>>> for this paltry sum, but affections develop.

>>>>

>>>> So what You mentioned I agree.

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> , "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Namaskaar Sri Rohini

>>>>>

>>>>> This is a question that bothered me for a long time. The

> resolution

>>>> of the

>>>>> same may not come completely unless we have a method of finding

> out

>>>> the

>>>>> exact effects of gemstones. There is currently no scientific

>>>> instrument to

>>>>> do so, atleast to my know-how.

>>>>>

>>>>> You may still read the following:

>>>>> One wears a gemstone of a particular planet to increase its

> energy

>>>> upon

>>>>> oneself. This is generally the unquestioned belief. Some believe

>>>> that the

>>>>> Gemstone is pervaded by a deity. Some believe that the light

> given

>>>> out

>>>>> appeases the graha (as you are aware an Emerald gives out Green

>>>> Light and

>>>>> therefore, appeases the graha). Some believe that the gemstone

>>>> alters the

>>>>> aura (read pranas) and therefore, benefits us. I am sure there

> will

>>>> be more

>>>>> reasons but the important point is that they do have an effect.

>>>>>

>>>>> Everything in Universe is alive and it has small or big effects

> on

>>>> each one

>>>>> of us. Even to an extent, a plant is kept in your room, there

> will

>>>> be a

>>>>> profound effect on you. The problem is that one cannot measure

> its

>>>> effects.

>>>>>

>>>>> Now to your question - Why should we not donate the gemstones

> for

>>>> the

>>>>> benefic planets? The logic used here is that one may give what

> is

>>>> due and

>>>>> not give what is not due. "Malefic" is a word given to those

> grahas

>>>> which

>>>>> are not giving us what we want. Generally the belief is that

> these

>>>> grahas

>>>>> act as badhas and pose dangers to us, because we owe something

> in

>>>> karma to

>>>>> their significations. To give what we owe, seems like the

> correct

>>>> thing to

>>>>> do. So one gives.

>>>>>

>>>>> The "benefic" planets are there so because of the karmic giving.

>>>> Since that

>>>>> is learnt, it is likely to continue whether the gemstone is

> given

>>>> or not. I

>>>>> have no reasons to believe that giving a gemstone of a benefic

> is

>>>> going to

>>>>> harm the native.

>>>>>

>>>>> I have very different views upon Giving too. Many may disagree.

> For

>>>> me,

>>>>> Giving is "not giving". It should just flow as naturally as

>>>> possible. Else,

>>>>> giving can give a great boost to ego. Grahas are directing us

>>>> towards a

>>>>> least resistance "path" to Godhead, we are the ones resisting

> and

>>>> that makes

>>>>> for Grahas to be "good or bad". Giving with that ego sense is

> not

>>>> going to

>>>>> appease any Graha or lead to a least resistance "path".

>>>>>

>>>>> I hope I have not added to the confusion.

>>>>>

>>>>> Thanks and Regards

>>>>> Bharat

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> On 7/31/06, crystal pages wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Arjunji,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am attaching my two cents and a question really to your

> recent

>>>>>> posting but that does not mean that I am necessarily asking

> this

>>>>>> question for you to address, primarily. It is a general post

> and

>>>>>> question. All may respond and enlighten me and hopefully other

>>>>>> members too.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ****************

>>>>>> I have asked this before, not just here, and I have looked for

>>>>>> directions in classics on jyotish but never really convincingly

>>>> found

>>>>>> recommendations that wearing a gemstone will fix the problems

>>>> posed

>>>>>> by a planet or will appease it. The gemstones are mentioned

> but I

>>>>>> always assumed that it was not about 'wearing' those but

>>>>>> rather 'donating' those to others. Like rich folks and Kings

> and

>>>>>> Superkings (maharajas and Chakravarthis) did in the glorious

> past

>>>> of

>>>>>> India.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> When did the donation become 'acquisition and wearing'?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I think it is an interesting arrangement since no loss or

> absolute

>>>>>> expenditure is involved but rather an investement! All

> gemstones

>>>> are

>>>>>> going to inflate in cost and grow in their worth! Something

> does

>>>> not

>>>>>> seem right there.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Now, I realize there are subtle aspects about vibrations and

> so on

>>>>>> that may play a role into this healing power of gems through

>>>> wearing

>>>>>> or consuming the pishtis and so on.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If donation of a gemstone is truly the way to appease the

>>>> planetary

>>>>>> deva, perhaps acquisition and wearing is actually going the

>>>> opposite

>>>>>> way since it is not the loss (12) but gain (11) of the gemstone

>>>> and

>>>>>> the energies or vibrations it represents.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Does this make sense, fellow astrologers?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> RR

>>>>>>

>>>>>> > 40>,

>>>>>> "panditarjun2004"

>>>>>>

>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> dear haizen

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> vedas and all ancient classics clearly spelt what you

> mentioned

>>>> in

>>>>>>> the second that daan is the dharma of kaliyuga and if anyone

>>>> wish

>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> gain punyam (merit) it can be done by daan.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> because of this reason, i slightly disagree with lalkitab

> where

>>>> it

>>>>>>> prohibits donation of certain goods saying that by doing so

> the

>>>>>>> concerned planet would become weak. but i personally preach

> and

>>>>>>> practice that any donation or offering does not get any

>>>> backlash or

>>>>>>> negative reaction.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> with best wishes

>>>>>>> pandit arjun

>>>>>>> (world wide web is like a mayajaal. everything looks virtually

>>>>>>> real, yet unreal).

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> >

> 40>, "haizen"

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Hello K. Gopu,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I would answer your question in two parts:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> (1) The wearing of a gem for the lagna lord is said to

>>>>>>>> fortify that planet's ability to handle any aspect from

>>>>>>>> an unfavorable planet. But in my view, the malefic

>>>>>>>> qualities of an unfavorable planet are not necessarily

>>>>>>>> reduced. (Why should they be unless that troublesome

>>>>>>>> planet is dealt with directly?) What I believe happens is

>>>>>>>> that the lagna lord is better able to handle the challenges

>>>>>>>> of the unfavorable planet because it is stronger and works

>>>>>>>> more efficiently. But strengthening the lord is only one side

>>>>>>>> of the issue.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> (2) To directly reduce the troublesome influence of an

>>>>>>>> unfavorable planet--a functional malefic or Rahu and Ketu

>>>>>>>> --a separate action in the form of charities or propitiations

>>>>>>>> are considered helpful according to the nature of the

>>>>>>>> unfavorable planet.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Usually Step 1 is done without Step 2, but I consider both

>>>>>>>> important and recommend them to the people I work with.

>>>>>>>> This is a better way to go because nothing is neglected and

>>>>>>>> it's a complete planetary remedy.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> These same principles can be applied to the use of mantras

>>>>>>>> to strengthen or neutralize planetary energies, or to the use

>>>>>>>> of colors, such as wearing more of the favorable ones and

>>>>>>>> avoiding those that are unfavorable. Inexpensive gems have

>>>>>>>> little or no power, and one shouldn't have to go bankrupt to

>>>>>>>> harness the highest frequencies of certain planetary energies

>>>>>>>> or to neutralize their harmful effects.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> One astrologer's opinion.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Best wishes, Haizen

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>> , K Gopu wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> dear Mr.haizen,

>>>>>>>>> I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

>>>>>>>>> know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

>>>>>>>>> being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

>>>>>>>>> an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

>>>>>>>>> malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

>>>>>>>>> the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

>>>>>>>>> aspect of an unfavourable planet?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> k.gopu

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

>>>> around

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ranjan ji

 

Sometimes I feel that we must opt for good karma as determined approach irrespective of the fact whether we can dilute our ego or not. As with the time, it will dilute and remedies will be effective. I read a beautiful quote :

 

In the most complete analysis, we are all the products of determinism; but once circumstances have caused us to accept the concept of “Free Will†the game of life is played like a card game where jokers are wild and all of the cards are jokers.

 

The important thing is to believe that we have jokers in hand!!!

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by candlelight.. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do their work during the daytime?

 

 

>

> jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

> Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:28:25 -0000

>

> Re: A question about the philosophy behind wearing

> gemstones!

>

> Bharat ji,

>

> Until giving begins to feel like sharing, such as with one's best

> friend or with a brother, its remedial potency remains dormant!

>

> RR

>

> , "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

> <hinduastrology wrote:

>>

>> Namaskaar Sri Rohini

>>

>> This is a question that bothered me for a long time. The resolution

> of the

>> same may not come completely unless we have a method of finding out

> the

>> exact effects of gemstones. There is currently no scientific

> instrument to

>> do so, atleast to my know-how.

>>

>> You may still read the following:

>> One wears a gemstone of a particular planet to increase its energy

> upon

>> oneself. This is generally the unquestioned belief. Some believe

> that the

>> Gemstone is pervaded by a deity. Some believe that the light given

> out

>> appeases the graha (as you are aware an Emerald gives out Green

> Light and

>> therefore, appeases the graha). Some believe that the gemstone

> alters the

>> aura (read pranas) and therefore, benefits us. I am sure there will

> be more

>> reasons but the important point is that they do have an effect.

>>

>> Everything in Universe is alive and it has small or big effects on

> each one

>> of us. Even to an extent, a plant is kept in your room, there will

> be a

>> profound effect on you. The problem is that one cannot measure its

> effects.

>>

>> Now to your question - Why should we not donate the gemstones for

> the

>> benefic planets? The logic used here is that one may give what is

> due and

>> not give what is not due. "Malefic" is a word given to those grahas

> which

>> are not giving us what we want. Generally the belief is that these

> grahas

>> act as badhas and pose dangers to us, because we owe something in

> karma to

>> their significations. To give what we owe, seems like the correct

> thing to

>> do. So one gives.

>>

>> The "benefic" planets are there so because of the karmic giving.

> Since that

>> is learnt, it is likely to continue whether the gemstone is given

> or not. I

>> have no reasons to believe that giving a gemstone of a benefic is

> going to

>> harm the native.

>>

>> I have very different views upon Giving too. Many may disagree. For

> me,

>> Giving is "not giving". It should just flow as naturally as

> possible. Else,

>> giving can give a great boost to ego. Grahas are directing us

> towards a

>> least resistance "path" to Godhead, we are the ones resisting and

> that makes

>> for Grahas to be "good or bad". Giving with that ego sense is not

> going to

>> appease any Graha or lead to a least resistance "path".

>>

>> I hope I have not added to the confusion.

>>

>> Thanks and Regards

>> Bharat

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On 7/31/06, crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

>>>

>>> Arjunji,

>>>

>>> I am attaching my two cents and a question really to your recent

>>> posting but that does not mean that I am necessarily asking this

>>> question for you to address, primarily. It is a general post and

>>> question. All may respond and enlighten me and hopefully other

>>> members too.

>>>

>>> ****************

>>> I have asked this before, not just here, and I have looked for

>>> directions in classics on jyotish but never really convincingly

> found

>>> recommendations that wearing a gemstone will fix the problems

> posed

>>> by a planet or will appease it. The gemstones are mentioned but I

>>> always assumed that it was not about 'wearing' those but

>>> rather 'donating' those to others. Like rich folks and Kings and

>>> Superkings (maharajas and Chakravarthis) did in the glorious past

> of

>>> India.

>>>

>>> When did the donation become 'acquisition and wearing'?

>>>

>>> I think it is an interesting arrangement since no loss or absolute

>>> expenditure is involved but rather an investement! All gemstones

> are

>>> going to inflate in cost and grow in their worth! Something does

> not

>>> seem right there.

>>>

>>> Now, I realize there are subtle aspects about vibrations and so on

>>> that may play a role into this healing power of gems through

> wearing

>>> or consuming the pishtis and so on.

>>>

>>> If donation of a gemstone is truly the way to appease the

> planetary

>>> deva, perhaps acquisition and wearing is actually going the

> opposite

>>> way since it is not the loss (12) but gain (11) of the gemstone

> and

>>> the energies or vibrations it represents.

>>>

>>> Does this make sense, fellow astrologers?

>>>

>>> RR

>>>

>>> <%

> 40>,

>>> "panditarjun2004"

>>> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> dear haizen

>>>>

>>>> vedas and all ancient classics clearly spelt what you mentioned

> in

>>>> the second that daan is the dharma of kaliyuga and if anyone

> wish

>>> to

>>>> gain punyam (merit) it can be done by daan.

>>>>

>>>> because of this reason, i slightly disagree with lalkitab where

> it

>>>> prohibits donation of certain goods saying that by doing so the

>>>> concerned planet would become weak. but i personally preach and

>>>> practice that any donation or offering does not get any

> backlash or

>>>> negative reaction.

>>>>

>>>> with best wishes

>>>> pandit arjun

>>>> (world wide web is like a mayajaal. everything looks virtually

>>>> real, yet unreal).

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> <%

> 40>, "haizen" <haizen@> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Hello K. Gopu,

>>>>>

>>>>> I would answer your question in two parts:

>>>>>

>>>>> (1) The wearing of a gem for the lagna lord is said to

>>>>> fortify that planet's ability to handle any aspect from

>>>>> an unfavorable planet. But in my view, the malefic

>>>>> qualities of an unfavorable planet are not necessarily

>>>>> reduced. (Why should they be unless that troublesome

>>>>> planet is dealt with directly?) What I believe happens is

>>>>> that the lagna lord is better able to handle the challenges

>>>>> of the unfavorable planet because it is stronger and works

>>>>> more efficiently. But strengthening the lord is only one side

>>>>> of the issue.

>>>>>

>>>>> (2) To directly reduce the troublesome influence of an

>>>>> unfavorable planet--a functional malefic or Rahu and Ketu

>>>>> --a separate action in the form of charities or propitiations

>>>>> are considered helpful according to the nature of the

>>>>> unfavorable planet.

>>>>>

>>>>> Usually Step 1 is done without Step 2, but I consider both

>>>>> important and recommend them to the people I work with.

>>>>> This is a better way to go because nothing is neglected and

>>>>> it's a complete planetary remedy.

>>>>>

>>>>> These same principles can be applied to the use of mantras

>>>>> to strengthen or neutralize planetary energies, or to the use

>>>>> of colors, such as wearing more of the favorable ones and

>>>>> avoiding those that are unfavorable. Inexpensive gems have

>>>>> little or no power, and one shouldn't have to go bankrupt to

>>>>> harness the highest frequencies of certain planetary energies

>>>>> or to neutralize their harmful effects.

>>>>>

>>>>> One astrologer's opinion.

>>>>>

>>>>> Best wishes, Haizen

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>> <%40>, K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> dear Mr.haizen,

>>>>>> I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

>>>>>> know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

>>>>>> being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

>>>>>> an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

>>>>>> malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

>>>>>> the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

>>>>>> aspect of an unfavourable planet?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> k.gopu

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> around

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ranjan ji

 

Or, many a times (rather most times), we think like a lawyer - as in the brief story:

 

Visiting a seriously ill lawyer in the hospital, his friend found him sitting up in bed, anxiously leafing through the Bible.

“What are you doing?†he asked.

“Looking for loopholes,†was the lawyer’s reply.

 

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

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>

> jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com

> Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:09:48 -0800

>

> Re: A question about the philosophy behind wearing

> gemstones!

>

> Dear Ranjan ji

>

> Sometimes I feel that we must opt for good karma as determined approach

> irrespective of the fact whether we can dilute our ego or not. As with

> the time, it will dilute and remedies will be effective. I read a

> beautiful quote :

>

> In the most complete analysis, we are all the products of determinism;

> but once circumstances have caused us to accept the concept of “Free

> Will†the game of life is played like a card game where jokers are wild

> and all of the cards are jokers.

>

> The important thing is to believe that we have jokers in hand!!!

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Lincoln studied by the light of a fireplace. Mozart composed by

> candlelight. Galileo invented by oil lamp. Didn't they ever think to do

> their work during the daytime?

>

>

>>

>> jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

>> Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:28:25 -0000

>>

>> Re: A question about the philosophy behind wearing

>> gemstones!

>>

>> Bharat ji,

>>

>> Until giving begins to feel like sharing, such as with one's best

>> friend or with a brother, its remedial potency remains dormant!

>>

>> RR

>>

>> , "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

>> <hinduastrology wrote:

>>>

>>> Namaskaar Sri Rohini

>>>

>>> This is a question that bothered me for a long time. The resolution

>> of the

>>> same may not come completely unless we have a method of finding out

>> the

>>> exact effects of gemstones. There is currently no scientific

>> instrument to

>>> do so, atleast to my know-how.

>>>

>>> You may still read the following:

>>> One wears a gemstone of a particular planet to increase its energy

>> upon

>>> oneself. This is generally the unquestioned belief. Some believe

>> that the

>>> Gemstone is pervaded by a deity. Some believe that the light given

>> out

>>> appeases the graha (as you are aware an Emerald gives out Green

>> Light and

>>> therefore, appeases the graha). Some believe that the gemstone

>> alters the

>>> aura (read pranas) and therefore, benefits us. I am sure there will

>> be more

>>> reasons but the important point is that they do have an effect.

>>>

>>> Everything in Universe is alive and it has small or big effects on

>> each one

>>> of us. Even to an extent, a plant is kept in your room, there will

>> be a

>>> profound effect on you. The problem is that one cannot measure its

>> effects.

>>>

>>> Now to your question - Why should we not donate the gemstones for

>> the

>>> benefic planets? The logic used here is that one may give what is

>> due and

>>> not give what is not due. "Malefic" is a word given to those grahas

>> which

>>> are not giving us what we want. Generally the belief is that these

>> grahas

>>> act as badhas and pose dangers to us, because we owe something in

>> karma to

>>> their significations. To give what we owe, seems like the correct

>> thing to

>>> do. So one gives.

>>>

>>> The "benefic" planets are there so because of the karmic giving.

>> Since that

>>> is learnt, it is likely to continue whether the gemstone is given

>> or not. I

>>> have no reasons to believe that giving a gemstone of a benefic is

>> going to

>>> harm the native.

>>>

>>> I have very different views upon Giving too. Many may disagree. For

>> me,

>>> Giving is "not giving". It should just flow as naturally as

>> possible. Else,

>>> giving can give a great boost to ego. Grahas are directing us

>> towards a

>>> least resistance "path" to Godhead, we are the ones resisting and

>> that makes

>>> for Grahas to be "good or bad". Giving with that ego sense is not

>> going to

>>> appease any Graha or lead to a least resistance "path".

>>>

>>> I hope I have not added to the confusion.

>>>

>>> Thanks and Regards

>>> Bharat

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On 7/31/06, crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Arjunji,

>>>>

>>>> I am attaching my two cents and a question really to your recent

>>>> posting but that does not mean that I am necessarily asking this

>>>> question for you to address, primarily. It is a general post and

>>>> question. All may respond and enlighten me and hopefully other

>>>> members too.

>>>>

>>>> ****************

>>>> I have asked this before, not just here, and I have looked for

>>>> directions in classics on jyotish but never really convincingly

>> found

>>>> recommendations that wearing a gemstone will fix the problems

>> posed

>>>> by a planet or will appease it. The gemstones are mentioned but I

>>>> always assumed that it was not about 'wearing' those but

>>>> rather 'donating' those to others. Like rich folks and Kings and

>>>> Superkings (maharajas and Chakravarthis) did in the glorious past

>> of

>>>> India.

>>>>

>>>> When did the donation become 'acquisition and wearing'?

>>>>

>>>> I think it is an interesting arrangement since no loss or absolute

>>>> expenditure is involved but rather an investement! All gemstones

>> are

>>>> going to inflate in cost and grow in their worth! Something does

>> not

>>>> seem right there.

>>>>

>>>> Now, I realize there are subtle aspects about vibrations and so on

>>>> that may play a role into this healing power of gems through

>> wearing

>>>> or consuming the pishtis and so on.

>>>>

>>>> If donation of a gemstone is truly the way to appease the

>> planetary

>>>> deva, perhaps acquisition and wearing is actually going the

>> opposite

>>>> way since it is not the loss (12) but gain (11) of the gemstone

>> and

>>>> the energies or vibrations it represents.

>>>>

>>>> Does this make sense, fellow astrologers?

>>>>

>>>> RR

>>>>

>>>> <%

>> 40>,

>>>> "panditarjun2004"

>>>> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> dear haizen

>>>>>

>>>>> vedas and all ancient classics clearly spelt what you mentioned

>> in

>>>>> the second that daan is the dharma of kaliyuga and if anyone

>> wish

>>>> to

>>>>> gain punyam (merit) it can be done by daan.

>>>>>

>>>>> because of this reason, i slightly disagree with lalkitab where

>> it

>>>>> prohibits donation of certain goods saying that by doing so the

>>>>> concerned planet would become weak. but i personally preach and

>>>>> practice that any donation or offering does not get any

>> backlash or

>>>>> negative reaction.

>>>>>

>>>>> with best wishes

>>>>> pandit arjun

>>>>> (world wide web is like a mayajaal. everything looks virtually

>>>>> real, yet unreal).

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> <%

>> 40>, "haizen" <haizen@> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hello K. Gopu,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I would answer your question in two parts:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> (1) The wearing of a gem for the lagna lord is said to

>>>>>> fortify that planet's ability to handle any aspect from

>>>>>> an unfavorable planet. But in my view, the malefic

>>>>>> qualities of an unfavorable planet are not necessarily

>>>>>> reduced. (Why should they be unless that troublesome

>>>>>> planet is dealt with directly?) What I believe happens is

>>>>>> that the lagna lord is better able to handle the challenges

>>>>>> of the unfavorable planet because it is stronger and works

>>>>>> more efficiently. But strengthening the lord is only one side

>>>>>> of the issue.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> (2) To directly reduce the troublesome influence of an

>>>>>> unfavorable planet--a functional malefic or Rahu and Ketu

>>>>>> --a separate action in the form of charities or propitiations

>>>>>> are considered helpful according to the nature of the

>>>>>> unfavorable planet.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Usually Step 1 is done without Step 2, but I consider both

>>>>>> important and recommend them to the people I work with.

>>>>>> This is a better way to go because nothing is neglected and

>>>>>> it's a complete planetary remedy.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> These same principles can be applied to the use of mantras

>>>>>> to strengthen or neutralize planetary energies, or to the use

>>>>>> of colors, such as wearing more of the favorable ones and

>>>>>> avoiding those that are unfavorable. Inexpensive gems have

>>>>>> little or no power, and one shouldn't have to go bankrupt to

>>>>>> harness the highest frequencies of certain planetary energies

>>>>>> or to neutralize their harmful effects.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> One astrologer's opinion.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Best wishes, Haizen

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>> <%40>, K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> dear Mr.haizen,

>>>>>>> I am not a gemologist. I read ur mail, I would like to

>>>>>>> know if the lagna lord is strong by virtue of its

>>>>>>> being in a favourable house, but if it is aspected by

>>>>>>> an unfavourable planet( i dont want to use the word

>>>>>>> malefic planet) then in such a horoscope wearing of

>>>>>>> the right gemstone may reduce the intensity of the

>>>>>>> aspect of an unfavourable planet?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> k.gopu

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

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