Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Pranav, Firstly just to clear the air if it needs to -- I post this not to deny your thought, or belief about this mars ketu combination, in other words I am neither trying to rain on your parade, nor steal your thunder and certainly not trying to rattle your cage! With all those cliches out of my system -- let us proceed to the thoughts! There are two uncertainties I see in your post: a) by influence of ketu on mars in 12H, what exactly are we looking at? Ketu is in 12th with mars or aspected by mars or ketu in 12th in taurus or dhanu ascendant? OR would ketu in martian star in 12 or mars in ketu's star in 12th house will qualify? Since nodes are called representative of the planets they dispose how about if ketu is in aries and mars is in the 12th house? See how many branches spring out from this innocent and simple and sharply precise 'ketu's influence on mars and 12H' or similar -- gives rise to? This is not unimportant since, I have only touched the surface of this combination. If you, unlike me, treat ketu as a bodied planet with drishtis (of which many variable opinions exist!) then you are increasing the possibility even further. Do you see that and agree? And we have not even brought in the rashi drishti sambandhas between the different triplicities and wait -- what about association in vargas? This is the beauty and the bane of jyotish multiple sambandhs. Hence shun the one combination, one factor pronouncement as the water that you do not like your milkman to add to your breakfast cup of milk! Now for the counterpoint! Perhaps the above seemingly vague combination may actually be pointing to another fact. Nearly every mortal is insecure about something or the other, some more, others less or perhaps more but are more skilled at hiding insecurity! But realistically, there must be other combinations too and this would mean something or the other would show up in each chart and would point to the reality. Which is that mostly all humans are insecure. So, on the one hand, it is pointless to discuss insecurity in a horoscope, but ON THE OTHER HAND, it is perhaps crucial! Because then astrologer can point towards the specific reason or area for the insecurity! Diagnosis, as they say is the most critical step towards a remedy, and healing. Once again -- remember, this is a thought chain and not an attempt to minimize your position or thoughts expressed. What good would the icing be if the cake does not have a base? RR , "sushmagupta51" <sushmagupta51 wrote: > > Respected Rohini ji, > > It is said that the influence of Ketu on Mars in 12H creates a > nativity that in recent past lives has established a security > foundation based upon one's strength and will. In this life the > native generally has some insecurity and doubts revolving around the > use of their will and this causes their will to become humbled. They > are generally inclined towards peace, but they may actually have > violent thoughts, which may even surprise themselves. There is > generally some inability to harness their will according to their > demand and this may cause great frustrations and explosions in > temper. Often, there will be thoughts of great adventure and > heroism, when it comes down to the real thing, however, the native > either withdraws, with doubt, from the challenge, or experiences > some lack of fulfillment even if becoming the victor in the > challenge. > > Hence I think it is the past karma that manifests as Grahas in > different house, presenting a stage for Karma (as Kings or Pawns) > where each life is a step towards Moksha or a punishment for bad > karma! ?? > > Regards, > Pranav > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sushma/Pranav, > > > > Reading your post brought a chart to mind. I do not yet have > > permission to share all details but this person has leo rising > with > > moon, ketu and jupiter in the 12th house. Interesting combination > of > > GKY and GCY in the 12th house with moon in own house and jupiter > > exalted! > > > > By all counts, this person was born with limitations, personal > > (health) and skill-wise but such was the strength of the atma > within > > that everything that should have gone wrong and much not deserved > > (like prizes in sports and so on without any effort) came his way > and > > he was identified as the gifted, intellectual that he obviously is. > > > > Was it the GKY made by own chandra and exalted guru in the 12th > (past > > karma)? > > Or was it the nullification of GCY due to above reasons? > > > > His lagnesha is in the fifth, very weak in bala. > > > > Sorry if I am being perceived as one who is teasing, if that is > how > > this may sound like, but seemed relevant to share what I could! > > > > RR > > > > , "sushmagupta51" > > <sushmagupta51@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > I totally agree with Prafullaji - "In other words, his > acceptance > > of > > > dharma .... his karmic obligations of this life". > > > Since this is being discussed on a public newsgroup, and having > > Ketu > > > in 12H in D1/vargottam (with Mars and Venus) I am giving my 2 > > cents. > > > > > > In my personal experience from my chart it might causes loss of > > self > > > esteem, and people walking all over the individual(12H Mars). It > > > does sound a little contradictory but internally it gives lot of > > > peace (guess helps in karma dilution). > > > > > > Once I was on this track apart from some setbacks (karmic debt > > > payments), I had an excellent ketu mahadasha. > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Pranav > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > You are a gifted person. I am posting my opinion on ketu in > 12th. > > > But first let me clarify you few things (for may sake): > > > > > > > > I am generally not offended, and try to stick to comments only > on > > > subject. Yes, in past couple of times, i might have sounded > rude, > > > but rarely have made or acknowledged (do not want to judge the > > > contents as well) personal comments. Though I am very reactive > > > person and can be on extreme line of the subject. > > > > > > > > 12th house is subconscious mind and ketu there (whether in > D9 / > > > 12th from Karkamsha Lagna or in rashi chart), needs special > > > handling. Native needs to unlock this by accepting many of > > spiritual > > > inclination (not restricted to religion) at subconscious level. > In > > > other words, his acceptance of dharma (duties, obligations, > worldly > > > sacrifices etc) must not be superficial and must be from core of > > his > > > subconscious mind as part of his karmic obligations of this > life. > > > This helps in karma dilution. I have seen in some cases, native > > > needed special guidance, else many a times his worldly pursuits > > > becomes frustrating events (causing additional karmic bondages > for > > > such thinking). Fortunately, native eventually gets this > guidance > > > and gains inner peace with the time. 12th house has karkatva of > > > happiness too, so native must accept any such karmic pursuits as > > > repayment of karmic bond. In layman's language, if native got to > > > pick up someone from railway station - he must do as his karmic > > > obligation whole heartedly, else the frustrations will affect > the > > > happiness. 12th house is bandhan to lagna too (along with 2nd > > > house) - ofcourse functions varies for both the bandhans; > Another > > > example - assume native is dumped by close relative, he must be > > > guided to feel such suffering as part of repayment of some past > > life > > > karma. and such feelings / approach at subconscious level will > help > > > native in unlocking such bondages (in a way, in layman's terms > it > > is > > > best remedy for ketu in 12th and sufferings therefrom)and even > > > blessing with highest order of materialistic pleasures (ofcourse > > > with least attachment). Native need to use ketu as catalyst (by > > > adhering to its traits). > > > > > > > > Many may not agree with the above analogy and the examples > quoted > > > are not with any specific chart in reference. Just use them as > > > pointer. Ofcourse, the association of other planets / rashi etc > > will > > > have say in final shaping up of events. > > > > > > > > I refer to another chart - scorpio lagna mars / ketu in 12th > > > bhava - moon in lagna, venus / saturn in 5th house, sun/budha in > > > 4th, guru in 9th ; I observed native having this trait and had > > > excellent ketu mahadasha. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:16:00 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > Re: EXPRESSING THOUGHTS > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prafullji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for taking in right spirit and relieving me of > any > > > > > offense,not meant. > > > > > > > > > > The Kings who hunt animals, I do not personally approve of > their > > > > > actions, but then this must be in accordance with their > > Kshatriya > > > > > Dharma like You said, just like we dont approve or copy > actions > > > of > > > > > shudras cleaning drainages etc. but this is in accordance > with > > > their > > > > > lne of duty, so okay with them, they are right, we are > supposed > > > to > > > > > say. > > > > > If the natives chart indicates moksha ? 12 th from > Karakamsha > > > lagna > > > > > having Ketu in Navamsha. indicates Moksha ? I have this in my > > > > > horoscope,(Eluru birth horoscope ?) and most of my family > > members > > > > > have this combination. But not sure because I have not been > > > living > > > > > any life which indicates to such result. On the contrary > > > sufferings I > > > > > have seen many and still suffering . Still if any persons > chart > > > > > suggest this, I feel he is also human, and must be under the > > > > > influence of karmic rinbandhans to undergo (Sufferings or > > > enjoyment > > > > > whatever in store),and when the Dasha of suffering comes, > proper > > > > > remedial measures done with shraddha vishwas should > > > defnitely,reduce > > > > > the pain, and should certainly be suggested. Also if chart > > > indicates > > > > > Moksha. guiding too should be there to the native, so that > he > > can > > > > > work towards that path, and when the ultimate time comes it > > will > > > then > > > > > embrace him with welcoming arms. > > > > > > > > > > I have read a wonderful book Aghora (3 Parts) by foreign > author > > > > > Robert E. Svaboda, which explains the concept of Karma. This > > > > > book relates his experiences with his Aghori Guru Swami > > > Vimlananda. > > > > > I request you to please read this, its really, superb, no > doubt. > > > > > Do not think he is foreign author so should not read, I feel > he > > > is > > > > > Indian reborn on foreign soil.Other books also written by > him, > > > > > on Saturn, Light of Life concerning Jyotish also make good > > > reading. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > >> > > > > >> Interesting. > > > > >> > > > > >> Let me clarify again..I am not being argumentative (yes, > > bhaskar > > > > > ji - you are right) and learning a lot from this thread. > > > > >> > > > > >> Yes, I while quoting Sage Paramhansa, did hint the same. > > > Perhaps, > > > > > some curse has to be experienced (not remedied). Exactly, is > the > > > > > remdial measure only answer by astrologer to the native? May > be > > > the > > > > > sufferings, are part of karmic purifications and only yogis > > (who > > > can > > > > > look beyond the chart) can say about its intensity. I did > > > mention the > > > > > hint in one of the thread mail. > > > > >> > > > > >> Yes, Lord Rama was following his dharma. But apart from > this > > > deer > > > > > incident, many great kings (Dashrath, Bharat, Bhishma etc) > > used > > > to > > > > > go for hunting (perhaps kshatriya dharma)? Many of the Jain > > > > > tirthankars (all were chakravati smaratas and were Rajput by > > > origin) > > > > > got moksha in next birth (after undergoing karmic sufferings > > for > > > some > > > > > karma in that birth). > > > > >> > > > > >> So another interesting point, which emerges - if the > native's > > > chart > > > > > indicates of moksha. if yes then, should he be suggested > > remedial > > > > > measures or be guided for this. > > > > >> > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > >> > > > > >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a > groan. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > >>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:32:39 -0000 > > > > >>> > > > > >>> EXPRESSING THOUGHTS > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Dear Friends, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Certain thoughts crossed my mind,when I read certain > > > references in > > > > >>> posts, to the > > > > >>> following, few days back, and wanted to express them. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> 1)Shri RamKrishna Paramhansa having throat problems but > not > > > able > > > > > to > > > > >>> cure it- > > > > >>> Actually He had total power in his hands to alleviate > his > > > > >>> own sufferings and others too. This problem he had > taken > > > from > > > > >>> someone else > > > > >>> on own to provide the other person, relief. (Like Jesus > > > Christ > > > > > who > > > > >>> too had this power) > > > > >>> Some bad effects of karmas can be cleared by remedies, > > > while > > > > >>> other bad effects of > > > > >>> more Dridha karmas, have to be borne or suffered.. In > that > > > > > case > > > > >>> if You happen to meet > > > > >>> a evolved yogic soul , he can transfer this suffering > to > > > your > > > > > next > > > > >>> janam, or take this suffering > > > > >>> on own to relieve You, but cannot totally erase > it.Suppose > > > we > > > > >>> assume that this suffering was > > > > >>> Shri Ramkrishnas own, then also he would not have > > > transferred > > > > > it > > > > >>> later ,because he knew > > > > >>> that ultimately it has to be borne so why not now? And > > > > > probably it > > > > >>> was his last physical stay > > > > >>> at earth . We also find instances of such Karmas and > > > > > sufferrings > > > > >>> (ref-Autobiography of > > > > >>> a Yogi,where Shri Babaji brandished a hot iron band on a > > > > > disciples > > > > >>> back.........) > > > > >>> > > > > >>> 2) Shri Rama killing a animal (Deer)- > > > > >>> Shri Rama being a incarnation knew what was going to > > happen > > > > > and > > > > >>> when. This role > > > > >>> of human incarnation was played for us future > generations > > > to > > > > >>> teach us how to live > > > > >>> in all forms of relations (as Father,Brother,son ,King > > > etc.) > > > > > and > > > > >>> also certain Karmic > > > > >>> influences (Shri Bhriguji kicking chest of Lord > V......, > > > Jay > > > > >>> Vijay dvarpals .etc.) > > > > >>> Playing the role as Maryada Purshottam, there was no > way he > > > > > could > > > > >>> have killed a harmless > > > > >>> deer. He knew who the Deer was (mareech playing role > of > > > evil, > > > > > and > > > > >>> serving Ravana, > > > > >>> also Mareech however evil he was, when Ravan told him > to > > > take > > > > > the > > > > >>> form of Deer and > > > > >>> entice Sitaji, wife of Shri Rama, Mareech immediately > > came > > > to > > > > >>> right senses and implored > > > > >>> Ravan not to make him do this work as he knew who Rama > > was > > > and > > > > >>> knew that this could be a dangerous mission where there > was no > > > > > chance > > > > >>> of safety except being killed at arrow by Shri Ram. > > > > >>> But Ravana being adamant as he was said Do this or I will > kill > > > > > You. > > > > >>> Mareecha preferred to > > > > >>> get killed by Shri Rama.) When he took the form of Deer > Shri > > > Rama > > > > >>> knew he was not killing a Deer, he knew he was killing > > > Mareecha, > > > > > he > > > > >>> knew he had to deliver Mareecha as his time had come. And > this > > > > > whole > > > > >>> act > > > > >>> was played just to let us know what happens if You run > after > > > > >>> attractions, illusions.golden deer.... > > > > >>> can a golden deer be possible........? This is a allegory > to > > > > > teach us > > > > >>> humans, not to get tempted by > > > > >>> illusions,when Sitaji got attracted by the Golden deer what > > > > > followed > > > > >>> is history. So Rama was > > > > >>> not killing a Deer, but evil. ie,personification of good > over > > > > > evil. > > > > >>> The above references were made by a kind friend whom I > know > > > to be > > > > >>> pure and innocent., > > > > >>> So dear Friend please. dont take otherwise. Just > exchange of > > > > >>> thoughts nothing else.I know You did not mean to be > > irreligious > > > > >>> or unnecessarily argumentive. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Among other references made by one follower of Dutta, (by > the > > > > > way he > > > > >>> is first Guru of all of us,in Hinduism) > > > > >>> 3) Ravana touching Sitaji (holding her hands when > > kidnapping..) > > > > >>> Please note that Sitaji was no chui mui (ordinary) , that > just > > > > > anyone > > > > >>> evil could touch her. She is > > > > >>> not known as Jagadjanni just for nought. She had the power > to > > > > >>> create/destroy anything she wanted. > > > > >>> Anyone who can grant ashtsiddhis to anyone is not ordinary. > > > (Asht > > > > >>> sidhi nau nidhi ke daata, as var > > > > >>> deen Janaki Mata) .But the roles had to be played for > which > > > they > > > > > had > > > > >>> taken human form over earth. > > > > >>> She was not the real Sita Ravan took, but shadow form of > Sita. > > > > > (Like > > > > >>> Chaaya with refence to second > > > > >>> wife of The Sun). Because before entering this part of the > Van > > > > >>> (Forest) Shri Ramchandraji had spoken > > > > >>> and already temporarily parted ways with the real Sita. > Now > > few > > > > > may > > > > >>> argue, if He knew that this was not real Sita, why did he > > > lament > > > > > or > > > > >>> fight war etc.? There is no end to arguments or asking > Why ? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Do not ask for authentic proof for what is written above. > I > > > cannot > > > > >>> provide that. Its just a belief,or I must say personal > belief > > > and > > > > >>> what we hear over the years we grow up and read at > different > > > > > places > > > > >>> in the process of > > > > >>> growing up. i would always like to believe it this way as > it > > > > > suits > > > > >>> me. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Regards, > > > > >>> Bhaskar. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Respected Rohini ji, Thank you for your email! I agree Ketu with Mars in 12H was a very vague statement, and other combinations need detailed analysis before any prediction as such can be made. (in the example I was refering to - Aries Asc, with Ketu, Mars and Venus in 12H, Mercury in 1H, Sun and Jupiter in 2H and Moon and Saturn in 4H) Intent of my example was to try and link the karmas in Previous life to the present life's horoscope/nature. (as I said in the example - in Previous life native established a security foundation based upon one's strength and will and in this life the same native is struggling with the same inner strength and will) Is this a way of GOD to test a soul (in one life you have one thing and in another you are deprived of the same) or previous lifes wants manifesting in this life (person lacking and desiring something - can't think of an example here with this horo)? Again I am still learning and I really appreciate learneds like you correcting me and sharing your opinion. Warm regards, Pranav , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Pranav, > > Firstly just to clear the air if it needs to -- I post this not to > deny your thought, or belief about this mars ketu combination, in > other words I am neither trying to rain on your parade, nor steal > your thunder and certainly not trying to rattle your cage! With all > those cliches out of my system -- let us proceed to the thoughts! > > There are two uncertainties I see in your post: > > a) by influence of ketu on mars in 12H, what exactly are we looking > at? Ketu is in 12th with mars or aspected by mars or ketu in 12th in > taurus or dhanu ascendant? OR would ketu in martian star in 12 or > mars in ketu's star in 12th house will qualify? Since nodes are > called representative of the planets they dispose how about if ketu > is in aries and mars is in the 12th house? See how many branches > spring out from this innocent and simple and sharply precise 'ketu's > influence on mars and 12H' or similar -- gives rise to? This is not > unimportant since, I have only touched the surface of this > combination. If you, unlike me, treat ketu as a bodied planet with > drishtis (of which many variable opinions exist!) then you are > increasing the possibility even further. Do you see that and agree? > And we have not even brought in the rashi drishti sambandhas between > the different triplicities and wait -- what about association in > vargas? > > This is the beauty and the bane of jyotish multiple sambandhs. Hence > shun the one combination, one factor pronouncement as the water that > you do not like your milkman to add to your breakfast cup of milk! > > Now for the counterpoint! Perhaps the above seemingly vague > combination may actually be pointing to another fact. Nearly every > mortal is insecure about something or the other, some more, others > less or perhaps more but are more skilled at hiding insecurity! > > But realistically, there must be other combinations too and this > would mean something or the other would show up in each chart and > would point to the reality. Which is that mostly all humans are > insecure. So, on the one hand, it is pointless to discuss insecurity > in a horoscope, but ON THE OTHER HAND, it is perhaps crucial! Because > then astrologer can point towards the specific reason or area for the > insecurity! Diagnosis, as they say is the most critical step towards > a remedy, and healing. > > Once again -- remember, this is a thought chain and not an attempt to > minimize your position or thoughts expressed. What good would the > icing be if the cake does not have a base? > > RR > > > > > , "sushmagupta51" > <sushmagupta51@> wrote: > > > > Respected Rohini ji, > > > > It is said that the influence of Ketu on Mars in 12H creates a > > nativity that in recent past lives has established a security > > foundation based upon one's strength and will. In this life the > > native generally has some insecurity and doubts revolving around > the > > use of their will and this causes their will to become humbled. > They > > are generally inclined towards peace, but they may actually have > > violent thoughts, which may even surprise themselves. There is > > generally some inability to harness their will according to their > > demand and this may cause great frustrations and explosions in > > temper. Often, there will be thoughts of great adventure and > > heroism, when it comes down to the real thing, however, the native > > either withdraws, with doubt, from the challenge, or experiences > > some lack of fulfillment even if becoming the victor in the > > challenge. > > > > Hence I think it is the past karma that manifests as Grahas in > > different house, presenting a stage for Karma (as Kings or Pawns) > > where each life is a step towards Moksha or a punishment for bad > > karma! ?? > > > > Regards, > > Pranav > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sushma/Pranav, > > > > > > Reading your post brought a chart to mind. I do not yet have > > > permission to share all details but this person has leo rising > > with > > > moon, ketu and jupiter in the 12th house. Interesting combination > > of > > > GKY and GCY in the 12th house with moon in own house and jupiter > > > exalted! > > > > > > By all counts, this person was born with limitations, personal > > > (health) and skill-wise but such was the strength of the atma > > within > > > that everything that should have gone wrong and much not deserved > > > (like prizes in sports and so on without any effort) came his way > > and > > > he was identified as the gifted, intellectual that he obviously > is. > > > > > > Was it the GKY made by own chandra and exalted guru in the 12th > > (past > > > karma)? > > > Or was it the nullification of GCY due to above reasons? > > > > > > His lagnesha is in the fifth, very weak in bala. > > > > > > Sorry if I am being perceived as one who is teasing, if that is > > how > > > this may sound like, but seemed relevant to share what I could! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "sushmagupta51" > > > <sushmagupta51@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > I totally agree with Prafullaji - "In other words, his > > acceptance > > > of > > > > dharma .... his karmic obligations of this life". > > > > Since this is being discussed on a public newsgroup, and having > > > Ketu > > > > in 12H in D1/vargottam (with Mars and Venus) I am giving my 2 > > > cents. > > > > > > > > In my personal experience from my chart it might causes loss of > > > self > > > > esteem, and people walking all over the individual(12H Mars). > It > > > > does sound a little contradictory but internally it gives lot > of > > > > peace (guess helps in karma dilution). > > > > > > > > Once I was on this track apart from some setbacks (karmic debt > > > > payments), I had an excellent ketu mahadasha. > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Pranav > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > You are a gifted person. I am posting my opinion on ketu in > > 12th. > > > > But first let me clarify you few things (for may sake): > > > > > > > > > > I am generally not offended, and try to stick to comments > only > > on > > > > subject. Yes, in past couple of times, i might have sounded > > rude, > > > > but rarely have made or acknowledged (do not want to judge the > > > > contents as well) personal comments. Though I am very reactive > > > > person and can be on extreme line of the subject. > > > > > > > > > > 12th house is subconscious mind and ketu there (whether in > > D9 / > > > > 12th from Karkamsha Lagna or in rashi chart), needs special > > > > handling. Native needs to unlock this by accepting many of > > > spiritual > > > > inclination (not restricted to religion) at subconscious level. > > In > > > > other words, his acceptance of dharma (duties, obligations, > > worldly > > > > sacrifices etc) must not be superficial and must be from core > of > > > his > > > > subconscious mind as part of his karmic obligations of this > > life. > > > > This helps in karma dilution. I have seen in some cases, native > > > > needed special guidance, else many a times his worldly pursuits > > > > becomes frustrating events (causing additional karmic bondages > > for > > > > such thinking). Fortunately, native eventually gets this > > guidance > > > > and gains inner peace with the time. 12th house has karkatva of > > > > happiness too, so native must accept any such karmic pursuits > as > > > > repayment of karmic bond. In layman's language, if native got > to > > > > pick up someone from railway station - he must do as his karmic > > > > obligation whole heartedly, else the frustrations will affect > > the > > > > happiness. 12th house is bandhan to lagna too (along with 2nd > > > > house) - ofcourse functions varies for both the bandhans; > > Another > > > > example - assume native is dumped by close relative, he must be > > > > guided to feel such suffering as part of repayment of some past > > > life > > > > karma. and such feelings / approach at subconscious level will > > help > > > > native in unlocking such bondages (in a way, in layman's terms > > it > > > is > > > > best remedy for ketu in 12th and sufferings therefrom)and even > > > > blessing with highest order of materialistic pleasures > (ofcourse > > > > with least attachment). Native need to use ketu as catalyst (by > > > > adhering to its traits). > > > > > > > > > > Many may not agree with the above analogy and the examples > > quoted > > > > are not with any specific chart in reference. Just use them as > > > > pointer. Ofcourse, the association of other planets / rashi etc > > > will > > > > have say in final shaping up of events. > > > > > > > > > > I refer to another chart - scorpio lagna mars / ketu in 12th > > > > bhava - moon in lagna, venus / saturn in 5th house, sun/budha > in > > > > 4th, guru in 9th ; I observed native having this trait and had > > > > excellent ketu mahadasha. > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:16:00 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: EXPRESSING THOUGHTS > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Prafullji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for taking in right spirit and relieving me of > > any > > > > > > offense,not meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Kings who hunt animals, I do not personally approve of > > their > > > > > > actions, but then this must be in accordance with their > > > Kshatriya > > > > > > Dharma like You said, just like we dont approve or copy > > actions > > > > of > > > > > > shudras cleaning drainages etc. but this is in accordance > > with > > > > their > > > > > > lne of duty, so okay with them, they are right, we are > > supposed > > > > to > > > > > > say. > > > > > > If the natives chart indicates moksha ? 12 th from > > Karakamsha > > > > lagna > > > > > > having Ketu in Navamsha. indicates Moksha ? I have this in > my > > > > > > horoscope,(Eluru birth horoscope ?) and most of my family > > > members > > > > > > have this combination. But not sure because I have not been > > > > living > > > > > > any life which indicates to such result. On the contrary > > > > sufferings I > > > > > > have seen many and still suffering . Still if any persons > > chart > > > > > > suggest this, I feel he is also human, and must be under the > > > > > > influence of karmic rinbandhans to undergo (Sufferings or > > > > enjoyment > > > > > > whatever in store),and when the Dasha of suffering comes, > > proper > > > > > > remedial measures done with shraddha vishwas should > > > > defnitely,reduce > > > > > > the pain, and should certainly be suggested. Also if chart > > > > indicates > > > > > > Moksha. guiding too should be there to the native, so that > > he > > > can > > > > > > work towards that path, and when the ultimate time comes it > > > will > > > > then > > > > > > embrace him with welcoming arms. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read a wonderful book Aghora (3 Parts) by foreign > > author > > > > > > Robert E. Svaboda, which explains the concept of Karma. This > > > > > > book relates his experiences with his Aghori Guru Swami > > > > Vimlananda. > > > > > > I request you to please read this, its really, superb, no > > doubt. > > > > > > Do not think he is foreign author so should not read, I > feel > > he > > > > is > > > > > > Indian reborn on foreign soil.Other books also written by > > him, > > > > > > on Saturn, Light of Life concerning Jyotish also make good > > > > reading. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > > > <jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Interesting. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Let me clarify again..I am not being argumentative (yes, > > > bhaskar > > > > > > ji - you are right) and learning a lot from this thread. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Yes, I while quoting Sage Paramhansa, did hint the same. > > > > Perhaps, > > > > > > some curse has to be experienced (not remedied). Exactly, > is > > the > > > > > > remdial measure only answer by astrologer to the native? > May > > be > > > > the > > > > > > sufferings, are part of karmic purifications and only yogis > > > (who > > > > can > > > > > > look beyond the chart) can say about its intensity. I did > > > > mention the > > > > > > hint in one of the thread mail. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Yes, Lord Rama was following his dharma. But apart from > > this > > > > deer > > > > > > incident, many great kings (Dashrath, Bharat, Bhishma etc) > > > used > > > > to > > > > > > go for hunting (perhaps kshatriya dharma)? Many of the Jain > > > > > > tirthankars (all were chakravati smaratas and were Rajput > by > > > > origin) > > > > > > got moksha in next birth (after undergoing karmic > sufferings > > > for > > > > some > > > > > > karma in that birth). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> So another interesting point, which emerges - if the > > native's > > > > chart > > > > > > indicates of moksha. if yes then, should he be suggested > > > remedial > > > > > > measures or be guided for this. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > >> > > > > > >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a > > groan. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > >>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:32:39 -0000 > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> EXPRESSING THOUGHTS > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Dear Friends, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Certain thoughts crossed my mind,when I read certain > > > > references in > > > > > >>> posts, to the > > > > > >>> following, few days back, and wanted to express them. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> 1)Shri RamKrishna Paramhansa having throat problems but > > not > > > > able > > > > > > to > > > > > >>> cure it- > > > > > >>> Actually He had total power in his hands to alleviate > > his > > > > > >>> own sufferings and others too. This problem he had > > taken > > > > from > > > > > >>> someone else > > > > > >>> on own to provide the other person, relief. (Like > Jesus > > > > Christ > > > > > > who > > > > > >>> too had this power) > > > > > >>> Some bad effects of karmas can be cleared by > remedies, > > > > while > > > > > >>> other bad effects of > > > > > >>> more Dridha karmas, have to be borne or suffered.. In > > that > > > > > > case > > > > > >>> if You happen to meet > > > > > >>> a evolved yogic soul , he can transfer this suffering > > to > > > > your > > > > > > next > > > > > >>> janam, or take this suffering > > > > > >>> on own to relieve You, but cannot totally erase > > it.Suppose > > > > we > > > > > >>> assume that this suffering was > > > > > >>> Shri Ramkrishnas own, then also he would not have > > > > transferred > > > > > > it > > > > > >>> later ,because he knew > > > > > >>> that ultimately it has to be borne so why not now? And > > > > > > probably it > > > > > >>> was his last physical stay > > > > > >>> at earth . We also find instances of such Karmas and > > > > > > sufferrings > > > > > >>> (ref-Autobiography of > > > > > >>> a Yogi,where Shri Babaji brandished a hot iron band on > a > > > > > > disciples > > > > > >>> back.........) > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> 2) Shri Rama killing a animal (Deer)- > > > > > >>> Shri Rama being a incarnation knew what was going to > > > happen > > > > > > and > > > > > >>> when. This role > > > > > >>> of human incarnation was played for us future > > generations > > > > to > > > > > >>> teach us how to live > > > > > >>> in all forms of relations (as > Father,Brother,son ,King > > > > etc.) > > > > > > and > > > > > >>> also certain Karmic > > > > > >>> influences (Shri Bhriguji kicking chest of Lord > > V......, > > > > Jay > > > > > >>> Vijay dvarpals .etc.) > > > > > >>> Playing the role as Maryada Purshottam, there was no > > way he > > > > > > could > > > > > >>> have killed a harmless > > > > > >>> deer. He knew who the Deer was (mareech playing role > > of > > > > evil, > > > > > > and > > > > > >>> serving Ravana, > > > > > >>> also Mareech however evil he was, when Ravan told him > > to > > > > take > > > > > > the > > > > > >>> form of Deer and > > > > > >>> entice Sitaji, wife of Shri Rama, Mareech immediately > > > came > > > > to > > > > > >>> right senses and implored > > > > > >>> Ravan not to make him do this work as he knew who > Rama > > > was > > > > and > > > > > >>> knew that this could be a dangerous mission where there > > was no > > > > > > chance > > > > > >>> of safety except being killed at arrow by Shri Ram. > > > > > >>> But Ravana being adamant as he was said Do this or I will > > kill > > > > > > You. > > > > > >>> Mareecha preferred to > > > > > >>> get killed by Shri Rama.) When he took the form of Deer > > Shri > > > > Rama > > > > > >>> knew he was not killing a Deer, he knew he was killing > > > > Mareecha, > > > > > > he > > > > > >>> knew he had to deliver Mareecha as his time had come. And > > this > > > > > > whole > > > > > >>> act > > > > > >>> was played just to let us know what happens if You run > > after > > > > > >>> attractions, illusions.golden deer.... > > > > > >>> can a golden deer be possible........? This is a allegory > > to > > > > > > teach us > > > > > >>> humans, not to get tempted by > > > > > >>> illusions,when Sitaji got attracted by the Golden deer > what > > > > > > followed > > > > > >>> is history. So Rama was > > > > > >>> not killing a Deer, but evil. ie,personification of good > > over > > > > > > evil. > > > > > >>> The above references were made by a kind friend whom I > > know > > > > to be > > > > > >>> pure and innocent., > > > > > >>> So dear Friend please. dont take otherwise. Just > > exchange of > > > > > >>> thoughts nothing else.I know You did not mean to be > > > irreligious > > > > > >>> or unnecessarily argumentive. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Among other references made by one follower of Dutta, > (by > > the > > > > > > way he > > > > > >>> is first Guru of all of us,in Hinduism) > > > > > >>> 3) Ravana touching Sitaji (holding her hands when > > > kidnapping..) > > > > > >>> Please note that Sitaji was no chui mui (ordinary) , that > > just > > > > > > anyone > > > > > >>> evil could touch her. She is > > > > > >>> not known as Jagadjanni just for nought. She had the > power > > to > > > > > >>> create/destroy anything she wanted. > > > > > >>> Anyone who can grant ashtsiddhis to anyone is not > ordinary. > > > > (Asht > > > > > >>> sidhi nau nidhi ke daata, as var > > > > > >>> deen Janaki Mata) .But the roles had to be played for > > which > > > > they > > > > > > had > > > > > >>> taken human form over earth. > > > > > >>> She was not the real Sita Ravan took, but shadow form of > > Sita. > > > > > > (Like > > > > > >>> Chaaya with refence to second > > > > > >>> wife of The Sun). Because before entering this part of > the > > Van > > > > > >>> (Forest) Shri Ramchandraji had spoken > > > > > >>> and already temporarily parted ways with the real Sita. > > Now > > > few > > > > > > may > > > > > >>> argue, if He knew that this was not real Sita, why did he > > > > lament > > > > > > or > > > > > >>> fight war etc.? There is no end to arguments or asking > > Why ? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Do not ask for authentic proof for what is written above. > > I > > > > cannot > > > > > >>> provide that. Its just a belief,or I must say personal > > belief > > > > and > > > > > >>> what we hear over the years we grow up and read at > > different > > > > > > places > > > > > >>> in the process of > > > > > >>> growing up. i would always like to believe it this way > as > > it > > > > > > suits > > > > > >>> me. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Regards, > > > > > >>> Bhaskar. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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