Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Prafulla, this man has some of the combinations u r talking off.and what I hintd too/ V R R, 25/7/1933, 07.28 Hrs Samalkot/Samalkot 17 03 N, 82 11 E In brief was a radio signal specialsist Govt minsitry of I&B set up wireless monitering and signal interferences etc all over India. has a unique life chain smoker, pan etc can give up for 5 yrs abruptly gave up all, and resumed again gave up pan is there, has piles. gastric troubles. when my Guru was asked by him to see what will be his health and when he will buy a house.in aug last week 86. My guru replied to to, but said mor eon his wife sayign that week she can be critical so take care. THIS MAN ridiculed the answer saying when I ask on my health he is writign on my wife useless fellow....! info. she had nausea, chest pain that week end as a typical govt servant took her to CGHS where [docs won't be there and practice elsewhere in clinics] so the attender said don;t worry give her Anancin. and this man took it easy on Sat. next day sto she had pains on off on Mon Morning as she wa sin her bath she had a massive heart attack she cud harld cloath her self and called her daugheter in no time she was dead. 2/9/86. he married again 2 yrs later and from 2nd wife had a son who died in 2nd yr. Putra shoka here. has 2 daugthers and a son from 1st wife. THIS EPISODE Also shows when we give unsolicted info how people make fun of us and also blame us when tragedy strikes as we did not epmpasise enough. Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Bhaskar In fact, I was stepping out that time, so did not post details. I did not want to post that as quiz. Generally, mutual association of sun / mercury / mars (and jupiter ) for leo lagna are excellent for materialistic gains. In 12th house (though dustasthana) - it gives gains from foreign land. Ketu needs unlocking and I have observed the lady adapting the traits for gains. I wanted to put this specific case for materialistic pursuits (I am sorry formy inclination to see this results from te ery beginning of my jyotish learning). When LL goes to 12th, it is always in 2nd from AL - and then it becomes highly benefic for materialistic pursuits (in foreign land). I have observed this in large number of charts (including in Don Dawood Ibrahim - his chart was once posted in one of the journal - leo lagna with most benefics as mentioned above in 12th). Saturn is Ok planet for leo lagna (for my experience in most leo lagna charts - contrary to traditional view) - yes sticks person to tradition and presses the native for hard work. Ketu in 12th also be noted (as Ranjan ji's example chart post on another thread). Sun in karka rashi will always depend upon the strength of moon (I am not referring to shubha / ashubha moon - but krur or somya moon - Bhaskar ji, your sun too, though aspected by functional malefic moon, is potential to deliver results with remedies and you have first hand experience for it). Natal aspect of shani over mars / sun etc has not really tormented them from health' perspectie till now, not which I am aware of(1972 borne lady). Transit saturn over 12th house was important for my own research (being in 8th from natal moon; over natal mars / sun / ketu etc; under aspect of transit rahu etc)..but surprisingly, it coincided with guru in 11th from natal moon as well. and lady moved back for overseas stay - this time with active participation in her husband's business..(yes, her residency issue is yet to be settled). Except for sleep disorders, transit has been good (though not very smooth, in terms of ease of life / events..but result giving). regards / Prafulla Gang After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:06:42 -0000 > > Re: REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN > > Yes Sir, > > The native of the chart I gave does wear glasse and thick ones, I > remember. > 5th house natural house of Sun if afflicted person may face > problems in speculation. Yes will remember, good point. > > In chart You put up. Sun lord of Lagna, with Mercury a malefic and > with Mars Yogkaraka for this lagna, does not sound good for health > or money ,matters for native, again Rahu aspecting from 6th, are > sufferings very much great to the native, to make her run away from > her house ? But saturn seems to be saving grace here with Venus (Does > it ?) fopr certain matters related to 10th house as in own natural > house with Venus in own house, but again 3rd aspect to 12th worsens > matters. Please dont keep in suspense. What is the fate of the native. > again affliction to eyes noted here. > > bhaskar, > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Bhaskar ji >> >> Interesting chart. >> >> generally speaking -for any chart - Sun, if afflicted / weak - > also indicates eye trouble, bones related troubles (frequent > fractures etc), disrespect to father (including spiritual gurus), > heart trouble). if associated with bitter enemy rahu, will divert > native from his dharma (with social immorality) and self > righteousness etc; >> >> in the example quoted - sun is afflicting both 7th house / 9th > house lord. >> >> Let me share another interesting chart -Female - leo lagna; > moon/jupiter in 5th house, mercury/ketu/mars/sun in 12th house karka; > venus/saturn in taurus; rahu in makara; I will write more about this > in next mail from sun's perspective. >> >> Sun is also karka for speculation; and if afflicted - native must > be careful from speculative activities. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> After every "victory" you have more enemies. >> >> >>> >>> bhaskar_jyotish >>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:35:49 -0000 >>> >>> Re: REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN >>> >>> Following chart came up just three days back for study. >>> >>> DOB 27th Aug 1973 >>> TOB 6.00 pm >>> POB - Bikaner (Rajasthan) >>> >>> Current Mahadasha running Moon from 25.5.05 till 25.5.15 >>> Antar Mars from 23.3.06 till 26.10.06 >>> >>> >>> Ascendant- Capricorn >>> Jup in 1st house, >>> Mars in 4th >>> Saturn + Ketu in 6th >>> Sun + Mer + Moon in 5th >>> Venus in 9th >>> >>> Cuspal >>> Mars moves to 3rd >>> Saturn + Ketu to 5th >>> Venus to 8th >>> Jupiter to 12th >>> Sun + Moon + Mer to 7th >>> >>> Notes. >>> Though Sun is in its own house but close proximity to Moon who is >>> Lord of 7th and also >>> Mer becomes 9th Lord denoting father . All three together in 8th >>> showing affliction >>> In Cuspal also though Moon in own 7th house but Sun also as lord > of >>> eight along with >>> Mercury lord of 9th as well as 6th. >>> >>> About native- >>> Is Chartered accountant earning Rs.1 Lakh salary per month in > Bombay >>> in some company. >>> Was never able to satisfy father and always difference of opinion >>> existed. Finally after >>> finishing course of CA left father for greener pastures. Since > last >>> many years >>> after marriage not staying with father. They both are in different >>> cities. Father lives in Calcutta. >>> Now problem with wife who is educated. Not happy marriage, though >>> will not seperate. >>> >>> I have not yet suggested remedy for Sun. >>> Most of the afflictions mentioned by Prafullji exist here. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Bhaskar ji >>>> >>>> If you may share experiences with afflicted sun / malefic sun or >>> weak sun (in any chart if you can) , it will help us in > understanding >>> the necessity of remedies for sun. >>>> >>>> I request other members as well, to share the experiences with >>> weak / afflicted or malefic sun. and the remedies pursued for it. >>>> >>>> Malefic sun is one of the major factor (often overlooked as well) >>> for disturbed marital life (seperation / divorce etc). If sun is >>> malefic / afflicted / weak, it has tendency to make the native >>> unethical (immoral will be little harsh statement - yes, he will > be >>> less inclined for upholding moral values) with uncompromising egos >>> and overconfidence. Native often overlooks his dharma and if it > has >>> connection with 7th house / 7th lord / venus etc, then can affect >>> married life adversely (subject to other overriding factors, dasha >>> etc). >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> After every "victory" you have more enemies. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ >>>>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:38:27 -0000 >>>>> >>>>> REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN >>>>> >>>>> Dear Prafullji, >>>>> >>>>> fasting on sundays should be broken (at sun set) and in that >>> evening >>>>> meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic sun) >>>>> >>>>> - Sir I did exactly this, broke fast before sunset and without >>> salt. >>>>> (The first Sunday of fast itself You will not believe I had > the >>>>> tremendous effect. >>>>> In the evening after night fall Father called me and asked > me >>> to >>>>> explain what i was doing >>>>> professionaly. The conversations which followed ensued in a >>>>> terrible verbal fight >>>>> between us, and i remember going to my room heart-broken and >>>>> commenting to my wife,- >>>>> what is the use of this fast, etc.- But after half an hour I >>> do >>>>> not know what came into me >>>>> I took all my papers and accounts to show him and the >>> samples of >>>>> electrical items which I was >>>>> selling at that time. He then asked me to join him under a >>>>> common roof where he already has >>>>> a flourishing business, which I did and continued with him > for >>>>> next 5 years. Prior to this I was >>>>> seperated from my father in business for 3 years and were > not >>> on >>>>> talking terms. >>>>> This was the effect of Sun Gods favour on first day itself. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper >>>>> plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like >>> recitation >>>>> of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) >>>>> >>>>> -My sister sent this plate to me with instructions of making the >>>>> Round Sun on the copper plate >>>>> with sandal wood paste (She sent this also, so that my doing >>>>> pooja ,would be ensured ) >>>>> and then chanting prayers to Surya Narayan , Aditya Hrdyam >>> Stotra, >>>>> Om Suryaye namah Japa Mala, etc. >>>>> She sent this from Calcutta on advise of some Pandit whom she >>> had >>>>> shown my Kundli. >>>>> >>>>> Though the above experiences are personal, yet I have mentioned > so >>>>> readers can get first >>>>> person feel. >>>>> My ascendant is Leo. Sun is in 11th house (10th Bhava) in Gemini >>>>> along with Mercury. >>>>> Moon is in 5th house (4th Bhava) in Sagittarius . was born on >>>>> Purnima. >>>>> In Navamsha Sun is with Mercury in Capricorn in 6th house. >>>>> >>>>> Hope info helps, >>>>> >>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji >>>>>> >>>>>> In my experiences with few local astrologers - I observed > little >>>>> modifed remedies (from the detailed list you provided) >>>>>> >>>>>> fasting on sundays should be broken like rojas in islam (at sun >>>>> set) and in that evening meal - salt must not be consumed. >>> (malefic >>>>> sun) >>>>>> >>>>>> charities of red wheat / gud etc to kshatriya community person >>>>> (some suggest the weight of wheat to be equal to the weight of >>>>> native) - malefic sun >>>>>> >>>>>> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper >>>>> plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like >>> recitation >>>>> of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) >>>>>> >>>>>> Some more remedies, i observed people pursuing for malefic sun >>>>>> >>>>>> prior to commencement of any work / meeting, eat a piece >>>>> of "Mishri" (I think, it is lal kitab's totka) >>>>>> >>>>>> In the sunday evening (around sun set), offering roti (baked on >>>>> fire) cooked from left out flour to an sitting OX (one will > seldom >>>>> find an Ox sitting around sunset time) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>> >>>>>> After every "victory" you have more enemies. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> panditarjun2004@ >>>>>>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:24:04 -0000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN >>>>>>> >>>>>>> dear prafullaji >>>>>>> >>>>>>> as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING >>> MEMBERS >>>>>>> discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we >>>>> mean >>>>>>> remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, >>> that >>>>>>> particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results > with >>>>>>> which the native stands benefited. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. >>>>> when >>>>>>> sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga > in >>>>>>> conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu > and >>>>>>> ketu, we find negative results. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> following are the general remedies which can be followed for > any >>>>>>> type of sun related problems: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day >>>>>>> 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day >>>>>>> 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven >>>>> horses >>>>>>> and offering it a red flower daily. >>>>>>> 4. fasting on sundays. >>>>>>> 5. donate wheat grains. >>>>>>> 6. donate food to blind people. >>>>>>> 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. >>>>>>> 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. >>>>>>> 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and >>> symbol. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the >>>>> reasoning >>>>>>> or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my >>>>>>> understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects >>> and >>>>>>> hence can be done as an upay for sun. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on > all >>>>>>> remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members >>> are >>>>>>> free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw >>> more >>>>>>> light. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> with best wishes >>>>>>> pandit arjun >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to >>>>> structure >>>>>>> this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary >>> remedies, >>>>>>> then for various curses etc) and then each member may share >>> their >>>>>>> experiences / various remedies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a > groan. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> panditarjun2004@ >>>>>>>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> dear friends >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all > to >>>>>>>>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will >>> supply >>>>>>>>> facts, references and past results with various people from >>>>> which >>>>>>>>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to >>> discuss >>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if > we >>>>>>>>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution >>>>> this >>>>>>>>> group would have ever got. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> with best wishes >>>>>>>>> pandit arjun >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >>>>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Very well said. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the >>>>>>> remedies >>>>>>>>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar >>> Mantra >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and >>>>> fasting >>>>>>>>> system for shani / ketu. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each > planetary >>>>>>>>> factor. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective >>> for >>>>>>>>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question >>> started >>>>>>>>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is >>>>>>> required (I >>>>>>>>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already >>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / >>>>>>> transit / >>>>>>>>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a >>> groan. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> panditarjun2004@ >>>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 > tantra >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> dear friends >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that >>> jells >>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on > the >>>>>>>>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet > again, >>>>>>>>>>> periodically in all groups. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in > rajasthan >>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement >>> that >>>>>>>>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed >>> by >>>>>>> ALL >>>>>>>>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL >>>>> religions. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other >>>>>>> religions >>>>>>>>> DO >>>>>>>>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain > of >>> a >>>>>>>>> person >>>>>>>>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all >>> religions, >>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis > as >>>>>>>>> devotees >>>>>>>>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like >>>>>>>>> prafulla >>>>>>>>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can >>> furnsih >>>>>>>>> both >>>>>>>>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by > jains >>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains >>> which >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some >>>>>>>>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they > follow, >>>>>>>>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy > koran. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow >>> remedies >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, >>>>>>>>> chartered >>>>>>>>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the >>> law >>>>>>>>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the >>>>>>> PRESENT >>>>>>>>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately >>> when >>>>>>>>> comes >>>>>>>>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are >>> not >>>>>>>>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references > from >>>>>>>>> orient >>>>>>>>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the >>> present >>>>>>>>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and >>> ratinale >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by >>> any >>>>>>>>>>> religious person. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal >>>>>>>>> expereinces >>>>>>>>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. >>>>> unfortunately >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions >>> and >>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did > not >>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. >>>>>>>>> similarly >>>>>>>>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results >>> and >>>>>>>>> hence >>>>>>>>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the >>> best >>>>>>>>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave > to >>>>>>>>> alcohol >>>>>>>>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he > didnt >>>>> get >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite >>> his >>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god > and >>>>>>>>> start >>>>>>>>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely > happy >>>>> and >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his >>>>>>> ancestors, >>>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his >>>>>>>>> previous >>>>>>>>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins >>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations >>> and >>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on > personal >>>>>>>>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific > remedy, >>>>> so >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular >>>>>>> remedy >>>>>>>>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many >>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is >>>>>>>>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he >>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it > proved >>>>>>> best >>>>>>>>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> with best wishes >>>>>>>>>>> pandit arjun >>>>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >>>>>>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any > strotra >>>>> by >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > and >>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 >>> tantra >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what >>>>> Your >>>>>>>>>>>>> goodself has mentioned. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection > if >>>>>>> done >>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) >>>>>>>>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over >>> last >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 decades. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in >>>>> horoscope, >>>>>>>>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations > with >>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the >>> superiors >>>>>>>>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting >>>>>>>>> regularly) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the >>>>>>> house. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female >>>>>>>>> members >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure >>>>>>> longlife >>>>>>>>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after >>> practise) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written > above, >>>>>>>>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though >>>>>>>>> indirectly. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank You. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar > G >>> B >>>>>>>>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM >>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies > for >>>>>>> diff >>>>>>>>>>>>> planets >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana >>> gives >>>>>>>>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac >>>>>>>>>>> diorders. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also >>> help >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on >>>>>>>>> respirotary >>>>>>>>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother >>>>>>> religious >>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is >>>>>>>>>>> prescribed, >>>>>>>>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew >>>>> them >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>> did >>>>>>>>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine >>>>>>> systems >>>>>>>>>>> to get >>>>>>>>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can > try >>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains > too >>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system >>> do >>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural >>> as >>>>>>>>>>> breathing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know >>>>>>> muslims >>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there >>> was >>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can >>> take >>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> look in >>>>>>>>>>>>> archives. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> Dear >>>>>>>>> Shri >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kumar ji >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me > unknowingly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to >>> me): >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native >>> for >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental >>>>>>>>>>> strengtht to >>>>>>>>>>>>> find realistic solutions >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any >>>>> role, >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>> any. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as >>>>>>> possible, >>>>>>>>>>> must >>>>>>>>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic > lines) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of >>>>>>> suggesting >>>>>>>>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more >>>>>>>>> authentic >>>>>>>>>>>>> remedies >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored >>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach > of >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic >>> shani) - >>>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be > bit >>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment >>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This >>> may >>>>>>>>> tone >>>>>>>>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in >>> coping >>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > it, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] >>>>> 23/7 - >>>>>>> 4 >>>>>>>>>>> tantra >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as > they r >>>>>>>>>>> offshoots >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, >>> evil >>>>>>>>>>> design >>>>>>>>>>>>> or black >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and >>>>>>> helped >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing > to >>>>>>> watch >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> rise of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these > religions >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>> intense >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in >>>>>>>>> tantras >>>>>>>>>>> (do >>>>>>>>>>>>> not mix >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > produce >>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> we star in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies > [communication...] >>>>>>>>>>> 23/27 -2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of > remedies >>> r >>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> bbeong done or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, >>> hen >>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> child >>>>>>>>>>>>> or huam >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was >>>>>>>>> excessive >>>>>>>>>>>>> balis then >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in > fear >>> if >>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>> was no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rain or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin >>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any > specific >>>>>>>>>>> religion, >>>>>>>>>>>>> then why >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, >>>>> suggesting >>>>>>>>>>>>> something which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, >>>>>>>>> religion >>>>>>>>>>>>> etc). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we >>>>>>> produce >>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and we star >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies > [communication...] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and > replying >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>> food for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > thought. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I > am >>>>>>> sorry >>>>>>>>>>> dear >>>>>>>>>>>>> tolerant >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- >>>>>>>>>>> religious/non- >>>>>>>>>>>>> ritual >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > type >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly >>> fail >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> notice the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > strength >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and >>> submissive >>>>>>>>>>> mother >>>>>>>>>>>>> to do her >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational > father >>>>>>>>>>> scientist >>>>>>>>>>>>> manager >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in >>> intellectual >>>>>>>>>>>>> scriptures such as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very >>>>>>> intensively >>>>>>>>>>>>> tuning into >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard- > core >>>>>>>>>>> scientist >>>>>>>>>>>>> and one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever >>> known, >>>>>>>>>>> europe >>>>>>>>>>>>> trained and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on > the >>>>>>> wall >>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>>>> to his bed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and >>>>>>>>>>> Ramakrishna >>>>>>>>>>>>> in the next >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. > This >>>>>>> man >>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but > never >>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped me >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being >>>>>>> successful >>>>>>>>>>> at a >>>>>>>>>>>>> few things >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. >>> There >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> moment when >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the >>> Astrology >>>>>>>>>>>>> miscellany quizzes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly >>>>>>> showed >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> to him. He >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even >>>>> today! >>>>>>>>>>> One of >>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > favourite >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately >>>>>>>>>>>>> most of us do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being >>>>>>> irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that > spirituality >>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>> more power >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it > is >>>>>>>>>>> FLEXIBLE, >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > respects >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades >>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>>> each >>>>>>>>>>>>> and every >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is >>> the >>>>>>>>>>> fullest >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > expression of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while > fully >>>>>>>>>>> enjoying >>>>>>>>>>>>> those, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > never >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > RR >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > , >>>>>>> srinivasa >>>>>>>>>>>>> murthy adavi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that >>> wherever >>>>>>>>>>>>> cosmological >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them >>> God >>>>>>>>>>> reveals >>>>>>>>>>>>> himself >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity > (Brahma,Vishnu >>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> Shiva >>>>>>>>>>>>> along with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva >>>>>>> etc,and >>>>>>>>>>>>> others like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Shirdi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus >>>>>>>>> Christ,Prophet >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mohammed etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying > methods >>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more >>>>>>> madeout >>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to >>> gain >>>>>>>>> false >>>>>>>>>>>>> sympathy and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires >>> (more >>>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>>>>> or for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal >>> good). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci >>> Code- >>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>>> (some) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae >>>>>>>>> theselves >>>>>>>>>>>>> are not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > bothering >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here >>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> question is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of >>>>>>>>> creativeness >>>>>>>>>>>>> and freedom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna >>>>>>>>> married >>>>>>>>>>> 8 >>>>>>>>>>>>> women and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > gave >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other >>>>> wives,the >>>>>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>>>>>>> was never >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world >>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> importance of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate > form >>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> TheDivine even >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was > believed >>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> truth >>>>>>>>>>>>> that jesus >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take >>> liberty >>>>>>> (in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> name of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify > the >>>>>>>>>>> truth.Some >>>>>>>>>>>>> day we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the >>>>> branch >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> which we're >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own > selfish >>>>>>>>>>> desires >>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of >>>>>>>>>>> religious >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami >>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>>>> warning.So >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > please >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of > freedom >>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> expression media >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed >>>>> dangerous >>>>>>>>>>>>> boundaries. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Sri, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of >>> your >>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>> but when >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get > the >>>>>>>>> image >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> a Kind and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Wise >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our >>> best >>>>>>>>>>> interests >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any >>> parent!) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief >>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> stood >>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > religions >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, >>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>> still be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > here? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of > negativity >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > associated >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or >>>>>>> another. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, >>> though >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > difficulty! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> RR >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> , >>>>>>>>> srinivasa >>>>>>>>>>>>> murthy adavi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were > based >>>>> on >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> sermon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a >>>>>>>>>>> particular >>>>>>>>>>>>> mantra(when >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja >>>>> done >>>>>>>>>>> based >>>>>>>>>>>>> on saatwik >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH >>>>>>>>> AdiSankaracharya >>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>> Other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Revered >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if >>>>>>>>> prescribed >>>>>>>>>>>>> mantra is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > apt >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will >>>>> lead >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> proper >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > person >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual > such >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> native >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > gets >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops > inner >>>>>>>>>>> fortitude >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > withstand >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) > without >>>>>>>>> letting >>>>>>>>>>>>> him loose >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that > in >>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>> spot if we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a >>> problem,he >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>> solve himself >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or >>> he >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>> direct us to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and > the >>>>>>>>>>>>> authorised one). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your >>>>> observation. >>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>> quick remedy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer >>>>> too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are >>> for >>>>>>>>>>> shani, >>>>>>>>>>>>> mars, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for >>>>>>> example - >>>>>>>>>>>>> jyotishi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > suggest >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make >>>>> sense? >>>>>>>>>>> and if >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > native >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following >>>>>>> krishna's >>>>>>>>>>>>> pooja; then >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about > remedy, >>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> must also >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / >>>>> afliction >>>>>>>>> etc >>>>>>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > remedied >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what > age >>>>> (or >>>>>>>>> say >>>>>>>>>>>>> which dasha >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to >>>>> invoke >>>>>>>>>>>>> powers) require >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, >>> not >>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such >>>>>>> rituals >>>>>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>>>>>> and if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > does >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the >>>>> standard >>>>>>>>>>> excuse >>>>>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is >>> predefined >>>>>>>>>>> vidhi of >>>>>>>>>>>>> surya >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > naman >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ( >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain >>>>>>>>>>> circumstances), >>>>>>>>>>>>> offering >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > water >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular > pooja >>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>> not think, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is >>> going >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - >>> how >>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> know, if the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not >>>>>>> required >>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>> more? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, > we >>>>>>>>>>> produce >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, and we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > star >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your >>> life!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one > lecture >>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting >>>>>>>>>>> proffessor ,told >>>>>>>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > students >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in >>>>>>>>>>>>> remedies,without >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > knowledge, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> its >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many >>>>> times, >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > statement >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results >>>>>>>>>>> forthcoming >>>>>>>>>>>>> or news >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong >>> remedy >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested. Also >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the >>> astrologer, >>>>>>>>>>> when he >>>>>>>>>>>>> suggests >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is >>>>>>> saying. >>>>>>>>>>> For >>>>>>>>>>>>> eg.for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the >>> native >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>> pooja of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though > the >>>>>>>>> shakti >>>>>>>>>>>>> may be one, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas >>> like >>>>>>>>>>> sattwa, >>>>>>>>>>>>> tamas or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> rajas. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the >>>>> native ? >>>>>>>>>>> Also >>>>>>>>>>>>> at times >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > stones >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of > the >>>>>>>>> divine >>>>>>>>>>>>> couloured >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rays >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this > case >>>>>>>>>>> solidified >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > state),also >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if >>>>>>> suggested >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrongly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for >>>>>>> Mahadasha >>>>>>>>>>>>> lord, some for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While >>>>>>>>>>> suggesting >>>>>>>>>>>>> the stone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric >>>>>>>>> results >>>>>>>>>>>>> also which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. >>> For >>>>>>>>>>> ex.Libra >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > native.Will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the > native? >>>>>>> Only >>>>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the > knowledge. >>>>>>>>>>> Talking of >>>>>>>>>>>>> mantras, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the >>> rishi >>>>>>>>>>> munis >>>>>>>>>>>>> of ancient >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> times >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one > disciple >>>>>>>>> recite >>>>>>>>>>>>> the mantra >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite > the >>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>> mantra >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrongly, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of >>> course >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>> had the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > power >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and >>>>> then, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> what about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > us >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue > for >>>>>>>>> long, >>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> the point >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > is, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting >>>>>>>>>>> remedies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> , >>>>>>>>> Prafulla >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gang >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, >>> so >>>>>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>>>> do not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > misread >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult >>> combinations, >>>>>>>>>>> curses >>>>>>>>>>>>> etc in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > chart >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures >>>>> (per >>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>> experience). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Native >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some >>>>>>> remedy >>>>>>>>>>> (may >>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > alternative >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) >>> knowingly >>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>> unknowlingly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is > powerful >>>>>>>>> remedy >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> rahu / >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ketu; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine > without >>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>> it as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > remedy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket >>>>>>>>>>> recommendation >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > remedies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past > events / >>>>>>> daily >>>>>>>>>>>>> routine etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Should >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - >>>>>>>>> Specifically - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, > the >>>>>>>>> curse / >>>>>>>>>>>>> affliction >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> related >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more >>> required? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only > at >>>>>>>>>>> respective >>>>>>>>>>>>> planetary >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> ages >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are >>>>>>> considered >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> be fully >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > done >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to > exist >>>>>>> like. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good >>>>>>> practice >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; >>> especially >>>>>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>>>>>>> mantras. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - >>> must >>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> line with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> native's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras >>> etc >>>>>>>>>>> involve >>>>>>>>>>>>> lots of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> rituals >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and >>>>>>>>> assessment >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> its need >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be >>> dealt >>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>> casually by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > fellow >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off > the >>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>>>>>> astrologers) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible > for >>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct > it, >>> we >>>>>>>>>>> produce >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> star >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your >>>>>>> life!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best >>> spam >>>>>>>>>>>>> protection around >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have >>> been >>>>>>>>>>> removed] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? Mail has the best >>> spam >>>>>>>>>>>>> protection around >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have > been >>>>>>>>>>> removed] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prashantkumar G B >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free > on >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > group >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by >>>>> chat, >>>>>>>>>>> mail >>>>>>>>>>>>> or phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 09840051861 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Groups are talking. 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