Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Tarun, Namaskar. 4th house is formal education and 5th house is spiritual education or paravidya and hence do not relate to literacy. There could be sadhus with high degree of spiritual education w/o any formal education. From 5th house we also see progeny (5th house is our planning for future and hence children is from 5th) and sishyas and also one's reputation. Please follow Sanjay-ji's Atri lecture on 5th house in great details. High population should be seen from 5th house in India's chart (at Independance). A bad graha in the 5th can give paapargala to the 4th house and can ruin formal schooling in a native's chart. That is how 5th should be regarded. Hope this helps a little. Sanjay-ji's lecture will make everything clear. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================= , Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Rafal ji, > > just a doubt came in my mind. > what 5th house resembles. > 1. studies/education > 2. children > > so if 5th house is weak than their will be problem in studies and if is > is badly placed or afflicted than no studies can be predicted for the > native. > and in the same manner before seeing the saptamsa we see 5th house > affliction for children. > India is a highly populated and very much illiteracy is there in india. > I guess this rules doesnt apply here. > > please guide me where i went wrong in this question. > > Thanks and Regards > Tarun > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Dear Rafal ji & Sourav ji, Thanks for replying my mail. i donot have any more doubts on the same. Actually just when i was seeing my frends chart and i was seeing a few too but i found that affliction even bad planets in 5th house donot much interfere in progeny. So finally saptamsa chart explains the whole picture. I will be awaiting for Rafal ji's arcticle on his blog. Thanks and Regards Tarun Sourav wrote: > > *|| Hare Rama Krishna ||* > > Dear Tarun, > > Namaskar. 4th house is formal education and 5th > house is spiritual education or paravidya and hence do not relate to > literacy. There could be sadhus with high degree of spiritual > education w/o any formal education. From 5th house we also see progeny > (5th house is our planning for future and hence children is from > 5th) and sishyas and also one's reputation. Please follow Sanjay-ji's > Atri lecture on 5th house in great details. > > High population should be seen from 5th house in India's chart (at > Independance). A bad graha in the 5th can give paapargala to the 4th > house and can ruin formal schooling in a native's chart. That is how > 5th should be regarded. > > Hope this helps a little. Sanjay-ji's lecture will make everything clear. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================================= > , Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote: > > > > Dear Rafal ji, > > > > just a doubt came in my mind. > > what 5th house resembles. > > 1. studies/education > > 2. children > > > > so if 5th house is weak than their will be problem in studies and if is > > is badly placed or afflicted than no studies can be predicted for the > > native. > > and in the same manner before seeing the saptamsa we see 5th house > > affliction for children. > > India is a highly populated and very much illiteracy is there in india. > > I guess this rules doesnt apply here. > > > > please guide me where i went wrong in this question. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Tarun > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 vyam vyasadevaya namah Dear Tarun, Jataka Parijat says to look on fifth from L/Mo/Ju. So be careful. Affliction in the fifth bhava can make many things. It can make one mean deeds and base profesion according to BHPS. It can make one dull (if aspects Lagnesh) - Jataka Tattwa and Sarwarta Cintamani. It can hurt progeny (if LL is in dushtana) - BHPS. And many others..its the house of atmavidya.. Regards Rafal Gendarz - Tarun Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:37 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: 5th house ?? Dear Rafal ji & Sourav ji, Thanks for replying my mail. i donot have any more doubts on the same. Actually just when i was seeing my frends chart and i was seeing a few too but i found that affliction even bad planets in 5th house donot much interfere in progeny. So finally saptamsa chart explains the whole picture. I will be awaiting for Rafal ji's arcticle on his blog. Thanks and Regards Tarun Sourav wrote: > > *|| Hare Rama Krishna ||* > > Dear Tarun, > > Namaskar. 4th house is formal education and 5th > house is spiritual education or paravidya and hence do not relate to > literacy. There could be sadhus with high degree of spiritual > education w/o any formal education. From 5th house we also see progeny > (5th house is our planning for future and hence children is from > 5th) and sishyas and also one's reputation. Please follow Sanjay-ji's > Atri lecture on 5th house in great details. > > High population should be seen from 5th house in India's chart (at > Independance). A bad graha in the 5th can give paapargala to the 4th > house and can ruin formal schooling in a native's chart. That is how > 5th should be regarded. > > Hope this helps a little. Sanjay-ji's lecture will make everything clear. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================================= > , Tarun <tarun.virgo wrote: > > > > Dear Rafal ji, > > > > just a doubt came in my mind. > > what 5th house resembles. > > 1. studies/education > > 2. children > > > > so if 5th house is weak than their will be problem in studies and if is > > is badly placed or afflicted than no studies can be predicted for the > > native. > > and in the same manner before seeing the saptamsa we see 5th house > > affliction for children. > > India is a highly populated and very much illiteracy is there in india. > > I guess this rules doesnt apply here. > > > > please guide me where i went wrong in this question. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Tarun > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Dear Rafal ji i got your logic behind the the thing. sir if you dont mind i would like to discuss my dashamsa chart. my bithtime is 10.35 am and in that the 10th house is vacant. with tauras as lagna. in D-10, but if i chance the time by 2 min to 10.37 i get surya in that with gemini lagna. i faced a lot of problems in my studies and finally i am unable to reach the satisfactory level of studies, i did diploma in engg but after that i wished to continue but i faced many problems. sometimes money , sometimes rules of institutions.. So if you can analyse and suggest me because this is the only place where i find myself in most dippressions.. Shall i recheck my birthdata. ?? Please guide me further. Thanks and Regrds Rafal Gendarz wrote: > > vyam vyasadevaya namah > Dear Tarun, > > Jataka Parijat says to look on fifth from L/Mo/Ju. So be careful. > Affliction in the fifth bhava can make many things. It can make one > mean deeds and base profesion according to BHPS. It can make one dull > (if aspects Lagnesh) - Jataka Tattwa and Sarwarta Cintamani. It can > hurt progeny (if LL is in dushtana) - BHPS. And many others..its the > house of atmavidya.. > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > > - > ** Tarun <tarun.virgo > > *To:* > <> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:37 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: 5th house ?? > > Dear Rafal ji & Sourav ji, > > Thanks for replying my mail. > i donot have any more doubts on the same. > Actually just when i was seeing my frends chart and i was seeing a > few > too but i found that affliction even bad planets in 5th house > donot much > interfere in progeny. So finally saptamsa chart explains the whole > picture. > I will be awaiting for Rafal ji's arcticle on his blog. > Thanks and Regards > > Tarun > > Sourav wrote: > > > > *|| Hare Rama Krishna ||* > > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > Namaskar. 4th house is formal education and 5th > > house is spiritual education or paravidya and hence do not > relate to > > literacy. There could be sadhus with high degree of spiritual > > education w/o any formal education. From 5th house we also see > progeny > > (5th house is our planning for future and hence children is from > > 5th) and sishyas and also one's reputation. Please follow > Sanjay-ji's > > Atri lecture on 5th house in great details. > > > > High population should be seen from 5th house in India's chart (at > > Independance). A bad graha in the 5th can give paapargala to the > 4th > > house and can ruin formal schooling in a native's chart. That is > how > > 5th should be regarded. > > > > Hope this helps a little. Sanjay-ji's lecture will make > everything clear. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > ================================================================= > > > <%40>, Tarun <tarun.virgo > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rafal ji, > > > > > > just a doubt came in my mind. > > > what 5th house resembles. > > > 1. studies/education > > > 2. children > > > > > > so if 5th house is weak than their will be problem in studies > and if is > > > is badly placed or afflicted than no studies can be predicted > for the > > > native. > > > and in the same manner before seeing the saptamsa we see 5th house > > > affliction for children. > > > India is a highly populated and very much illiteracy is there > in india. > > > I guess this rules doesnt apply here. > > > > > > please guide me where i went wrong in this question. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Rafal, Namaskar. You mentioned : Obstruction to studies is purely seen in the tenth bhava in dasamsa. Can you please give a classic or our parampara reference to this? Thanks. I am only aware of seeing about education from Siddhamsa. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================= , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme wrote: > > Dear Prafulla, > > I dont know if i understand You fully. Obstruction to studies is purely seen in the tenth bhava in dasamsa. If many malefics has influence it can be fatal but the lord is final. I have tenth lord Jupiter with MKS Surya so in my studies I was always fighting with some events arounded me ego/prestige/sense of being. Venus is there therefore the obstruction also came from that side. Rasi is always too general for this kind of technical matters. If ninth lord in Rasi chakra is afflicted see the Jupiter therefrom and His strength. Lagnesh and karmesh strong in d-1 always gives victory, easy life and overcome of enemies & obstacles. > > Hope this clarify some dark spots. > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > - > Prafulla Gang > > Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:18 AM > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] 5th house ?? > > > Dear Rafal ji > > You raised an interesting issue. > > 9th house (and 9th lord) affliction / curse leads to obstruction in studies. If there is obstruction, we must take this as pointer to the existence of some curse / affliction. and such obstruction is not there, should we still consider curse (perhaps intensiy may vary...or such curse are too cruel to be giving good results). > > I also look forward to your article on your blog. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > starsuponme > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:17:35 +0200 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] 5th house ?? > > > > hare rama krsna > > Dear Tarun, > > > > Fifth is Chitta, Viveka, Mantra, Putra, Devata. > > > > Ninth is Japa, Bhagya, Tapa, Sadhana, Pitri's, Niti, Law and Your guiding > > line and authorities. Morality is there and sense of disctinction between > > good and wrong. Studies should be seen in D-24. I have ninth lord cursed > > so there are many obstacles in my study area but still D-24 allows me to > > study philosophy! > > > > Studies are in bhagyasthan. > > > > I will cover this two bhavas(of course per classics as always) in my next > > article on my site:http://essayxp.blogspot.com/ > > Now i am working at it.. > > > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > - > > Tarun > > > > Tuesday, July 25, 2006 5:15 PM > > [Om Krishna Guru] 5th house ?? > > > > > > Dear Rafal ji, > > > > just a doubt came in my mind. > > what 5th house resembles. > > 1. studies/education > > 2. children > > > > so if 5th house is weak than their will be problem in studies and if is > > is badly placed or afflicted than no studies can be predicted for the > > native. > > and in the same manner before seeing the saptamsa we see 5th house > > affliction for children. > > India is a highly populated and very much illiteracy is there in india. > > I guess this rules doesnt apply here. > > > > please guide me where i went wrong in this question. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Tarun > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Dear Sourav, You are always alert, so we thank You. Yes its siddhamsa. I have A3 with Ketu if You know what I mean.. Regards Rafal Gendarz - Sourav Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:08 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] 5th house ?? || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Rafal, Namaskar. You mentioned : Obstruction to studies is purely seen in the tenth bhava in dasamsa. Can you please give a classic or our parampara reference to this? Thanks. I am only aware of seeing about education from Siddhamsa. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================= , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme wrote: > > Dear Prafulla, > > I dont know if i understand You fully. Obstruction to studies is purely seen in the tenth bhava in dasamsa. If many malefics has influence it can be fatal but the lord is final. I have tenth lord Jupiter with MKS Surya so in my studies I was always fighting with some events arounded me ego/prestige/sense of being. Venus is there therefore the obstruction also came from that side. Rasi is always too general for this kind of technical matters. If ninth lord in Rasi chakra is afflicted see the Jupiter therefrom and His strength. Lagnesh and karmesh strong in d-1 always gives victory, easy life and overcome of enemies & obstacles. > > Hope this clarify some dark spots. > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > - > Prafulla Gang > > Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:18 AM > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] 5th house ?? > > > Dear Rafal ji > > You raised an interesting issue. > > 9th house (and 9th lord) affliction / curse leads to obstruction in studies. If there is obstruction, we must take this as pointer to the existence of some curse / affliction. and such obstruction is not there, should we still consider curse (perhaps intensiy may vary...or such curse are too cruel to be giving good results). > > I also look forward to your article on your blog. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > starsuponme > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:17:35 +0200 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] 5th house ?? > > > > hare rama krsna > > Dear Tarun, > > > > Fifth is Chitta, Viveka, Mantra, Putra, Devata. > > > > Ninth is Japa, Bhagya, Tapa, Sadhana, Pitri's, Niti, Law and Your guiding > > line and authorities. Morality is there and sense of disctinction between > > good and wrong. Studies should be seen in D-24. I have ninth lord cursed > > so there are many obstacles in my study area but still D-24 allows me to > > study philosophy! > > > > Studies are in bhagyasthan. > > > > I will cover this two bhavas(of course per classics as always) in my next > > article on my site:http://essayxp.blogspot.com/ > > Now i am working at it.. > > > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > - > > Tarun > > > > Tuesday, July 25, 2006 5:15 PM > > [Om Krishna Guru] 5th house ?? > > > > > > Dear Rafal ji, > > > > just a doubt came in my mind. > > what 5th house resembles. > > 1. studies/education > > 2. children > > > > so if 5th house is weak than their will be problem in studies and if is > > is badly placed or afflicted than no studies can be predicted for the > > native. > > and in the same manner before seeing the saptamsa we see 5th house > > affliction for children. > > India is a highly populated and very much illiteracy is there in india. > > I guess this rules doesnt apply here. > > > > please guide me where i went wrong in this question. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Tarun > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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