Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear Prafullji, fasting on sundays should be broken (at sun set) and in that evening meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic sun) - Sir I did exactly this, broke fast before sunset and without salt. (The first Sunday of fast itself You will not believe I had the tremendous effect. In the evening after night fall Father called me and asked me to explain what i was doing professionaly. The conversations which followed ensued in a terrible verbal fight between us, and i remember going to my room heart-broken and commenting to my wife,- what is the use of this fast, etc.- But after half an hour I do not know what came into me I took all my papers and accounts to show him and the samples of electrical items which I was selling at that time. He then asked me to join him under a common roof where he already has a flourishing business, which I did and continued with him for next 5 years. Prior to this I was seperated from my father in business for 3 years and were not on talking terms. This was the effect of Sun Gods favour on first day itself. Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like recitation of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) -My sister sent this plate to me with instructions of making the Round Sun on the copper plate with sandal wood paste (She sent this also, so that my doing pooja ,would be ensured ) and then chanting prayers to Surya Narayan , Aditya Hrdyam Stotra, Om Suryaye namah Japa Mala, etc. She sent this from Calcutta on advise of some Pandit whom she had shown my Kundli. Though the above experiences are personal, yet I have mentioned so readers can get first person feel. My ascendant is Leo. Sun is in 11th house (10th Bhava) in Gemini along with Mercury. Moon is in 5th house (4th Bhava) in Sagittarius . was born on Purnima. In Navamsha Sun is with Mercury in Capricorn in 6th house. Hope info helps, Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > In my experiences with few local astrologers - I observed little modifed remedies (from the detailed list you provided) > > fasting on sundays should be broken like rojas in islam (at sun set) and in that evening meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic sun) > > charities of red wheat / gud etc to kshatriya community person (some suggest the weight of wheat to be equal to the weight of native) - malefic sun > > Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like recitation of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) > > Some more remedies, i observed people pursuing for malefic sun > > prior to commencement of any work / meeting, eat a piece of "Mishri" (I think, it is lal kitab's totka) > > In the sunday evening (around sun set), offering roti (baked on fire) cooked from left out flour to an sitting OX (one will seldom find an Ox sitting around sunset time) > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > panditarjun2004 > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:24:04 -0000 > > > > new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN > > > > dear prafullaji > > > > as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS > > discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we mean > > remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that > > particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with > > which the native stands benefited. > > > > so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. when > > sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in > > conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and > > ketu, we find negative results. > > > > following are the general remedies which can be followed for any > > type of sun related problems: > > > > 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > > 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > > 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven horses > > and offering it a red flower daily. > > 4. fasting on sundays. > > 5. donate wheat grains. > > 6. donate food to blind people. > > 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > > 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > > 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol. > > > > members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the reasoning > > or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my > > understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and > > hence can be done as an upay for sun. > > > > this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all > > remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are > > free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more > > light. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > >> > >> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to structure > > this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, > > then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their > > experiences / various remedies. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> panditarjun2004@ > >>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>> > >>> dear friends > >>> > >>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to > >>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply > >>> facts, references and past results with various people from which > >>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss > > one > >>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we > >>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution this > >>> group would have ever got. > >>> > >>> with best wishes > >>> pandit arjun > >>> > >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > >>>> > >>>> Very well said. > >>>> > >>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > > remedies > >>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra > > is > >>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting > >>> system for shani / ketu. > >>>> > >>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary > >>> factor. > >>>> > >>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for > >>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started > >>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > > required (I > >>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed > >>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > > transit / > >>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> panditarjun2004@ > >>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > >>>>> > >>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>> > >>>>> dear friends > >>>>> > >>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells > >>> well > >>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the > >>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, > >>>>> periodically in all groups. > >>>>> > >>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for > >>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > >>>>> > >>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that > >>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by > > ALL > >>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions. > >>>>> > >>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > > religions > >>> DO > >>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a > >>> person > >>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, > >>> these > >>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as > >>> devotees > >>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > >>> prafulla > >>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih > >>> both > >>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains > >>> along > >>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which > >>> are > >>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > >>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, > >>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. > >>>>> > >>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies > >>> with > >>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > >>> chartered > >>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law > >>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > > PRESENT > >>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when > >>> comes > >>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not > >>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from > >>> orient > >>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present > >>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale > > is > >>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any > >>>>> religious person. > >>>>> > >>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > >>> expereinces > >>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately > >>> in > >>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and > >>> try > >>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not > > get > >>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > >>> similarly > >>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and > >>> hence > >>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best > >>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to > >>> alcohol > >>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get > >>> it. > >>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his > >>> being > >>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and > >>> start > >>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and > >>> has > >>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > > ancestors, > >>> he > >>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > >>> previous > >>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins > > which > >>> is > >>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and > > are > >>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > >>>>> > >>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal > >>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so > >>> that > >>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular > > remedy > >>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many > > people > >>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > >>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot > >>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved > > best > >>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > >>>>> > >>>>> with best wishes > >>>>> pandit arjun > >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by > >>> any > >>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > >>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sir, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your > >>>>>>> goodself has mentioned. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if > > done > >>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > >>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last > >>>>>>> 2 decades. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope, > >>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with > > own > >>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors > >>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > >>> regularly) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the > > house. > >>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > >>> members > >>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > > longlife > >>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, > >>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > >>> indirectly. > >>>>>>> Thank You. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B > >>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Prafulla > >>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM > > between > >>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for > > diff > >>>>>>> planets > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives > >>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > >>>>> diorders. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help > > for > >>>>> many > >>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > >>> respirotary > >>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > > religious > >>>>> works > >>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > >>>>> prescribed, > >>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > >>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them > >>> so > >>>>> did > >>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > > systems > >>>>> to get > >>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too > > who > >>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do > > try > >>>>> whole > >>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as > >>>>> breathing. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know > > muslims > >>>>> who > >>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was > > a > >>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a > >>>>> look in > >>>>>>> archives. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>>>>>> wrote: Dear > >>> Shri > >>>>>>> Kumar ji > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for > >>> the > >>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > >>>>> strengtht to > >>>>>>> find realistic solutions > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, > >>> if > >>>>> any. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > > possible, > >>>>> must > >>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > > suggesting > >>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > >>> authentic > >>>>>>> remedies > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the > >>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the > >>>>> planet. > >>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - > >>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit > > more > >>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment > > little > >>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may > >>> tone > >>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping > > up > >>>>> with > >>>>>>> challenges. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > > and > >>> we > >>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 - > > 4 > >>>>> tantra > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Prafulla, > >>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r > >>>>> offshoots > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil > >>>>> design > >>>>>>> or black > >>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and > > helped > >>>>> in > >>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to > > watch > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> rise of > >>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions > > have > >>>>> very > >>>>>>> intense > >>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > >>> tantras > >>>>> (do > >>>>>>> not mix > >>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > > it, > >>>>> and > >>>>>>> we star in > >>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > >>>>> 23/27 -2 > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > Prafulla, > >>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r > > not > >>>>>>> bbeong done or > >>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen > > or > >>>>> child > >>>>>>> or huam > >>>>>>>> > so > >>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > >>> excessive > >>>>>>> balis then > >>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if > >>>>> there > >>>>>>> was no > >>>>>>>> > rain or > >>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of > >>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > >>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific > >>>>> religion, > >>>>>>> then why > >>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting > >>>>>>> something which > >>>>>>>> > is > >>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > >>> religion > >>>>>>> etc). > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > produce > >>>>> it, > >>>>>>> and we star > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > >>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying > > with > >>>>> more > >>>>>>> food for > >>>>>>>> > > > thought. > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am > > sorry > >>>>> dear > >>>>>>> tolerant > >>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > >>>>> religious/non- > >>>>>>> ritual > >>>>>>>> > type > >>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail > > to > >>>>>>> notice the > >>>>>>>> > strength > >>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive > >>>>> mother > >>>>>>> to do her > >>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father > >>>>> scientist > >>>>>>> manager > >>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual > >>>>>>> scriptures such as > >>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very > > intensively > >>>>>>> tuning into > >>>>>>>> > that > >>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core > >>>>> scientist > >>>>>>> and one of > >>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, > >>>>> europe > >>>>>>> trained and > >>>>>>>> > all > >>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the > > wall > >>>>> next > >>>>>>> to his bed > >>>>>>>> > for > >>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > >>>>> Ramakrishna > >>>>>>> in the next > >>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This > > man > >>>>> always > >>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed > >>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never > >>> really > >>>>>>> stopped me > >>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being > > successful > >>>>> at a > >>>>>>> few things > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There > >>> was > >>>>> a > >>>>>>> moment when > >>>>>>>> > I > >>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology > >>>>>>> miscellany quizzes > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly > > showed > >>>>> it > >>>>>>> to him. He > >>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! > >>>>> One of > >>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>> > favourite > >>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > >>> Unfortunately > >>>>>>> most of us do > >>>>>>>> > not > >>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being > > irrelevant. > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality > > has > >>>>> much > >>>>>>> more power > >>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is > >>>>> FLEXIBLE, > >>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> > respects > >>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades > > through > >>>>> each > >>>>>>> and every > >>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the > >>>>> fullest > >>>>>>>> > expression of > >>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully > >>>>> enjoying > >>>>>>> those, > >>>>>>>> > never > >>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > RR > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > , > > srinivasa > >>>>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > >>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > >>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever > >>>>>>> cosmological > >>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God > >>>>> reveals > >>>>>>> himself > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > >>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and > >>>>> Shiva > >>>>>>> along with > >>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > > etc,and > >>>>>>> others like > >>>>>>>> > Shirdi > >>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > >>> Christ,Prophet > >>>>>>> Mohammed etc > >>>>>>>> > all > >>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for > >>>>>>> bringing in the > >>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > >>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > > madeout > >>> by > >>>>>>> selfish > >>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain > >>> false > >>>>>>> sympathy and > >>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more > >>>>> personal > >>>>>>> or for a > >>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > >>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code- > > The > >>>>> people > >>>>>>> (some) > >>>>>>>> > are > >>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > >>> theselves > >>>>>>> are not > >>>>>>>> > > bothering > >>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the > >>>>>>> question is the > >>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > >>> creativeness > >>>>>>> and freedom > >>>>>>>> > of > >>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > >>> married > >>>>> 8 > >>>>>>> women and > >>>>>>>> > gave > >>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the > >>>>> truth > >>>>>>> was never > >>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the > >>>>>>> importance of > >>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of > >>>>>>> TheDivine even > >>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as > >>>>> truth > >>>>>>> that jesus > >>>>>>>> > was > >>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty > > (in > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> name of > >>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the > >>>>> truth.Some > >>>>>>> day we > >>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch > >>> on > >>>>>>> which we're > >>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish > >>>>> desires > >>>>>>> these > >>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of > >>>>> religious > >>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll > >>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > >>> without > >>>>>>> warning.So > >>>>>>>> > please > >>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of > >>>>>>> expression media > >>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous > >>>>>>> boundaries. > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> regards > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >> Sri, > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your > >>>>> message > >>>>>>> but when > >>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the > >>> image > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> a Kind and > >>>>>>>> > > > Wise > >>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best > >>>>> interests > >>>>>>>> > (actually > >>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have > >>>>> stood > >>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>> > religions > >>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would > >>>>> they > >>>>>>> still be > >>>>>>>> > here? > >>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity > > that > >>>>> has > >>>>>>> been > >>>>>>>> > > > associated > >>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or > > another. > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though > >>> with > >>>>> some > >>>>>>>> > difficulty! > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> RR > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> , > >>> srinivasa > >>>>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on > >>> the > >>>>>>> sermon > >>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > >>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > >>>>> particular > >>>>>>> mantra(when > >>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done > >>>>> based > >>>>>>> on saatwik > >>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > >>> AdiSankaracharya > >>>>> or > >>>>>>> Other > >>>>>>>> > Revered > >>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > >>> prescribed > >>>>>>> mantra is > >>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>> > > > apt > >>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead > >>> to > >>>>> a > >>>>>>> proper > >>>>>>>> > person > >>>>>>>> > > > at > >>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such > > that > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> native > >>>>>>>> > gets > >>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner > >>>>> fortitude > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> > withstand > >>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without > >>> letting > >>>>>>> him loose > >>>>>>>> > his > >>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in > > our > >>>>> work > >>>>>>> spot if we > >>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he > >>> will > >>>>>>> solve himself > >>>>>>>> > > > (if > >>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he > >>> will > >>>>>>> direct us to > >>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the > >>>>>>> authorised one). > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> regards > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. > >>> The > >>>>>>> quick remedy > >>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for > >>>>> shani, > >>>>>>> mars, > >>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > >>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > > example - > >>>>>>> jyotishi > >>>>>>>> > suggest > >>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? > >>>>> and if > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> > native > >>>>>>>> > > > is > >>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following > > krishna's > >>>>>>> pooja; then > >>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, > > then > >>>>> it > >>>>>>> must also > >>>>>>>> > be > >>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction > >>> etc > >>>>>>> can be > >>>>>>>> > remedied > >>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or > >>> say > >>>>>>> which dasha > >>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke > >>>>>>> powers) require > >>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not > >>> all > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such > > rituals > >>>>> well. > >>>>>>> and if > >>>>>>>> > does > >>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard > >>>>> excuse > >>>>>>> for the > >>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined > >>>>> vidhi of > >>>>>>> surya > >>>>>>>> > naman > >>>>>>>> > > > ( > >>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > >>>>> circumstances), > >>>>>>> offering > >>>>>>>> > > > water > >>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja > > etc. > >>> I > >>>>> do > >>>>>>> not think, > >>>>>>>> > > > the > >>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going > > to > >>>>> help > >>>>>>> without > >>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how > > do > >>> we > >>>>>>> know, if the > >>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not > > required > >>>>> any > >>>>>>> more? > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>>>> produce > >>>>>>> it, and we > >>>>>>>> > > > star > >>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at > >>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > >>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > >>>>> proffessor ,told > >>>>>>> us > >>>>>>>> > students > >>>>>>>> > > > a > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > >>>>>>> remedies,without > >>>>>>>> > > > knowledge, > >>>>>>>> > > >> its > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, > >>> of > >>>>> this > >>>>>>>> > statement > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results > >>>>> forthcoming > >>>>>>> or news > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy > > is > >>>>>>> suggested. Also > >>>>>>>> > > > it > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, > >>>>> when he > >>>>>>> suggests > >>>>>>>> > so > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is > > saying. > >>>>> For > >>>>>>> eg.for > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native > > to > >>> do > >>>>>>> pooja of > >>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the > >>> shakti > >>>>>>> may be one, > >>>>>>>> > > > but > >>>>>>>> > > >> the > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like > >>>>> sattwa, > >>>>>>> tamas or > >>>>>>>> > > >> rajas. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? > >>>>> Also > >>>>>>> at times > >>>>>>>> > > > stones > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the > >>> divine > >>>>>>> couloured > >>>>>>>> > rays > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case > >>>>> solidified > >>>>>>>> > state),also > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > > suggested > >>>>>>> wrongly. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > > Mahadasha > >>>>>>> lord, some for > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > >>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>> the stone > >>>>>>>> > at > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > >>> results > >>>>>>> also which > >>>>>>>> > > > would > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For > >>>>> ex.Libra > >>>>>>>> > > > native.Will > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? > > Only > >>>>>>> experience > >>>>>>>> > from > >>>>>>>> > > >> the > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. > >>>>> Talking of > >>>>>>> mantras, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi > >>>>> munis > >>>>>>> of ancient > >>>>>>>> > > >> times > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple > >>> recite > >>>>>>> the mantra > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the > > same > >>>>>>> mantra > >>>>>>>> > wrongly, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course > >>> they > >>>>>>> had the > >>>>>>>> > power > >>>>>>>> > > > to > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, > >>> but > >>>>>>> what about > >>>>>>>> > us > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for > >>> long, > >>>>> but > >>>>>>> the point > >>>>>>>> > > > is, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > >>>>> remedies. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> , > >>> Prafulla > >>>>>>> Gang > >>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so > >>>>> please > >>>>>>> do not > >>>>>>>> > > > misread > >>>>>>>> > > >> me. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, > >>>>> curses > >>>>>>> etc in a > >>>>>>>> > > > chart > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per > >>> his > >>>>>>> experience). > >>>>>>>> > > >> Native > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some > > remedy > >>>>> (may > >>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>> > > > alternative > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly > > or > >>>>>>> unknowlingly > >>>>>>>> > > > (for > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful > >>> remedy > >>>>> for > >>>>>>> rahu / > >>>>>>>> > > > ketu; > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without > >>>>> thinking > >>>>>>> it as > >>>>>>>> > remedy > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > >>>>> recommendation > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> > > > remedies, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / > > daily > >>>>>>> routine etc. > >>>>>>>> > > >> Should > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > >>> Specifically - > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the > >>> curse / > >>>>>>> affliction > >>>>>>>> > > >> related > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at > >>>>> respective > >>>>>>> planetary > >>>>>>>> > > >> ages > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > > considered > >>>>> to > >>>>>>> be fully > >>>>>>>> > > > done > >>>>>>>> > > >> or > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist > > like. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good > > practice > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially > >>>>> around > >>>>>>> mantras. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must > > be > >>>>> in > >>>>>>> line with > >>>>>>>> > > >> native's > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc > >>>>> involve > >>>>>>> lots of > >>>>>>>> > > >> rituals > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > >>> assessment > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> its need > >>>>>>>> > is > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt > > so > >>>>>>> casually by > >>>>>>>> > > > fellow > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the > > list > >>>>>>> astrologers) > >>>>>>>> > and > >>>>>>>> > > >> to a > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for > >>> getting > >>>>>>> into > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>>>> produce > >>>>>>> it, and > >>>>>>>> > we > >>>>>>>> > > >> star > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > > life!! > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > >>>>>>> protection around > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been > >>>>> removed] > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Following chart came up just three days back for study. DOB 27th Aug 1973 TOB 6.00 pm POB - Bikaner (Rajasthan) Current Mahadasha running Moon from 25.5.05 till 25.5.15 Antar Mars from 23.3.06 till 26.10.06 Ascendant- Capricorn Jup in 1st house, Mars in 4th Saturn + Ketu in 6th Sun + Mer + Moon in 5th Venus in 9th Cuspal Mars moves to 3rd Saturn + Ketu to 5th Venus to 8th Jupiter to 12th Sun + Moon + Mer to 7th Notes. Though Sun is in its own house but close proximity to Moon who is Lord of 7th and also Mer becomes 9th Lord denoting father . All three together in 8th showing affliction In Cuspal also though Moon in own 7th house but Sun also as lord of eight along with Mercury lord of 9th as well as 6th. About native- Is Chartered accountant earning Rs.1 Lakh salary per month in Bombay in some company. Was never able to satisfy father and always difference of opinion existed. Finally after finishing course of CA left father for greener pastures. Since last many years after marriage not staying with father. They both are in different cities. Father lives in Calcutta. Now problem with wife who is educated. Not happy marriage, though will not seperate. I have not yet suggested remedy for Sun. Most of the afflictions mentioned by Prafullji exist here. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > If you may share experiences with afflicted sun / malefic sun or weak sun (in any chart if you can) , it will help us in understanding the necessity of remedies for sun. > > I request other members as well, to share the experiences with weak / afflicted or malefic sun. and the remedies pursued for it. > > Malefic sun is one of the major factor (often overlooked as well) for disturbed marital life (seperation / divorce etc). If sun is malefic / afflicted / weak, it has tendency to make the native unethical (immoral will be little harsh statement - yes, he will be less inclined for upholding moral values) with uncompromising egos and overconfidence. Native often overlooks his dharma and if it has connection with 7th house / 7th lord / venus etc, then can affect married life adversely (subject to other overriding factors, dasha etc). > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:38:27 -0000 > > > > REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN > > > > Dear Prafullji, > > > > fasting on sundays should be broken (at sun set) and in that evening > > meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic sun) > > > > - Sir I did exactly this, broke fast before sunset and without salt. > > (The first Sunday of fast itself You will not believe I had the > > tremendous effect. > > In the evening after night fall Father called me and asked me to > > explain what i was doing > > professionaly. The conversations which followed ensued in a > > terrible verbal fight > > between us, and i remember going to my room heart-broken and > > commenting to my wife,- > > what is the use of this fast, etc.- But after half an hour I do > > not know what came into me > > I took all my papers and accounts to show him and the samples of > > electrical items which I was > > selling at that time. He then asked me to join him under a > > common roof where he already has > > a flourishing business, which I did and continued with him for > > next 5 years. Prior to this I was > > seperated from my father in business for 3 years and were not on > > talking terms. > > This was the effect of Sun Gods favour on first day itself. > > > > > > Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper > > plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like recitation > > of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) > > > > -My sister sent this plate to me with instructions of making the > > Round Sun on the copper plate > > with sandal wood paste (She sent this also, so that my doing > > pooja ,would be ensured ) > > and then chanting prayers to Surya Narayan , Aditya Hrdyam Stotra, > > Om Suryaye namah Japa Mala, etc. > > She sent this from Calcutta on advise of some Pandit whom she had > > shown my Kundli. > > > > Though the above experiences are personal, yet I have mentioned so > > readers can get first > > person feel. > > My ascendant is Leo. Sun is in 11th house (10th Bhava) in Gemini > > along with Mercury. > > Moon is in 5th house (4th Bhava) in Sagittarius . was born on > > Purnima. > > In Navamsha Sun is with Mercury in Capricorn in 6th house. > > > > Hope info helps, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > >> > >> In my experiences with few local astrologers - I observed little > > modifed remedies (from the detailed list you provided) > >> > >> fasting on sundays should be broken like rojas in islam (at sun > > set) and in that evening meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic > > sun) > >> > >> charities of red wheat / gud etc to kshatriya community person > > (some suggest the weight of wheat to be equal to the weight of > > native) - malefic sun > >> > >> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper > > plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like recitation > > of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) > >> > >> Some more remedies, i observed people pursuing for malefic sun > >> > >> prior to commencement of any work / meeting, eat a piece > > of "Mishri" (I think, it is lal kitab's totka) > >> > >> In the sunday evening (around sun set), offering roti (baked on > > fire) cooked from left out flour to an sitting OX (one will seldom > > find an Ox sitting around sunset time) > >> > >> > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> After every "victory" you have more enemies. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> panditarjun2004@ > >>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:24:04 -0000 > >>> > >>> new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN > >>> > >>> dear prafullaji > >>> > >>> as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS > >>> discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we > > mean > >>> remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that > >>> particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with > >>> which the native stands benefited. > >>> > >>> so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. > > when > >>> sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in > >>> conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and > >>> ketu, we find negative results. > >>> > >>> following are the general remedies which can be followed for any > >>> type of sun related problems: > >>> > >>> 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > >>> 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > >>> 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven > > horses > >>> and offering it a red flower daily. > >>> 4. fasting on sundays. > >>> 5. donate wheat grains. > >>> 6. donate food to blind people. > >>> 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > >>> 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > >>> 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol. > >>> > >>> members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the > > reasoning > >>> or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my > >>> understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and > >>> hence can be done as an upay for sun. > >>> > >>> this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all > >>> remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are > >>> free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more > >>> light. > >>> > >>> with best wishes > >>> pandit arjun > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > >>>> > >>>> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to > > structure > >>> this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, > >>> then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their > >>> experiences / various remedies. > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> panditarjun2004@ > >>>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > >>>>> > >>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>> > >>>>> dear friends > >>>>> > >>>>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to > >>>>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply > >>>>> facts, references and past results with various people from > > which > >>>>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss > >>> one > >>>>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we > >>>>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution > > this > >>>>> group would have ever got. > >>>>> > >>>>> with best wishes > >>>>> pandit arjun > >>>>> > >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Very well said. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > >>> remedies > >>>>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra > >>> is > >>>>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and > > fasting > >>>>> system for shani / ketu. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary > >>>>> factor. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for > >>>>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started > >>>>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > >>> required (I > >>>>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already > > fixed > >>>>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > >>> transit / > >>>>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>> > >>>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> panditarjun2004@ > >>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> dear friends > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells > >>>>> well > >>>>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the > >>>>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, > >>>>>>> periodically in all groups. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan > > for > >>>>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that > >>>>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by > >>> ALL > >>>>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL > > religions. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > >>> religions > >>>>> DO > >>>>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a > >>>>> person > >>>>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, > >>>>> these > >>>>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as > >>>>> devotees > >>>>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > >>>>> prafulla > >>>>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih > >>>>> both > >>>>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains > >>>>> along > >>>>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which > >>>>> are > >>>>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > >>>>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, > >>>>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies > >>>>> with > >>>>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > >>>>> chartered > >>>>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law > >>>>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > >>> PRESENT > >>>>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when > >>>>> comes > >>>>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not > >>>>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from > >>>>> orient > >>>>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present > >>>>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale > >>> is > >>>>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any > >>>>>>> religious person. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > >>>>> expereinces > >>>>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. > > unfortunately > >>>>> in > >>>>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and > >>>>> try > >>>>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not > >>> get > >>>>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > >>>>> similarly > >>>>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and > >>>>> hence > >>>>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best > >>>>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to > >>>>> alcohol > >>>>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt > > get > >>>>> it. > >>>>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his > >>>>> being > >>>>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and > >>>>> start > >>>>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy > > and > >>>>> has > >>>>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > >>> ancestors, > >>>>> he > >>>>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > >>>>> previous > >>>>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins > >>> which > >>>>> is > >>>>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and > >>> are > >>>>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal > >>>>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, > > so > >>>>> that > >>>>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular > >>> remedy > >>>>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many > >>> people > >>>>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > >>>>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he > > cannot > >>>>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved > >>> best > >>>>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> with best wishes > >>>>>>> pandit arjun > >>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang > >>> <jyotish@> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra > > by > >>>>> any > >>>>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and > > we > >>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sir, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what > > Your > >>>>>>>>> goodself has mentioned. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if > >>> done > >>>>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > >>>>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last > >>>>>>>>> 2 decades. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in > > horoscope, > >>>>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with > >>> own > >>>>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors > >>>>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > >>>>> regularly) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the > >>> house. > >>>>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > >>>>> members > >>>>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > >>> longlife > >>>>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, > >>>>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > >>>>> indirectly. > >>>>>>>>> Thank You. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B > >>>>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Prafulla > >>>>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM > >>> between > >>>>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for > >>> diff > >>>>>>>>> planets > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives > >>>>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > >>>>>>> diorders. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help > >>> for > >>>>>>> many > >>>>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > >>>>> respirotary > >>>>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > >>> religious > >>>>>>> works > >>>>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > >>>>>>> prescribed, > >>>>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > >>>>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew > > them > >>>>> so > >>>>>>> did > >>>>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > >>> systems > >>>>>>> to get > >>>>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too > >>> who > >>>>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do > >>> try > >>>>>>> whole > >>>>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as > >>>>>>> breathing. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know > >>> muslims > >>>>>>> who > >>>>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was > >>> a > >>>>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take > > a > >>>>>>> look in > >>>>>>>>> archives. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: Dear > >>>>> Shri > >>>>>>>>> Kumar ji > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > >>>>>>> strengtht to > >>>>>>>>> find realistic solutions > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any > > role, > >>>>> if > >>>>>>> any. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > >>> possible, > >>>>>>> must > >>>>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > >>> suggesting > >>>>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > >>>>> authentic > >>>>>>>>> remedies > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the > >>>>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of > > the > >>>>>>> planet. > >>>>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - > >>>>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit > >>> more > >>>>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment > >>> little > >>>>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may > >>>>> tone > >>>>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping > >>> up > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>> challenges. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > >>> and > >>>>> we > >>>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > > 23/7 - > >>> 4 > >>>>>>> tantra > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla, > >>>>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r > >>>>>>> offshoots > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil > >>>>>>> design > >>>>>>>>> or black > >>>>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and > >>> helped > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to > >>> watch > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> rise of > >>>>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions > >>> have > >>>>>>> very > >>>>>>>>> intense > >>>>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > >>>>> tantras > >>>>>>> (do > >>>>>>>>> not mix > >>>>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > >>> it, > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> we star in > >>>>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > >>>>>>> 23/27 -2 > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla, > >>>>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r > >>> not > >>>>>>>>> bbeong done or > >>>>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen > >>> or > >>>>>>> child > >>>>>>>>> or huam > >>>>>>>>>> > so > >>>>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > >>>>> excessive > >>>>>>>>> balis then > >>>>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if > >>>>>>> there > >>>>>>>>> was no > >>>>>>>>>> > rain or > >>>>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of > >>>>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > >>>>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific > >>>>>>> religion, > >>>>>>>>> then why > >>>>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, > > suggesting > >>>>>>>>> something which > >>>>>>>>>> > is > >>>>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > >>>>> religion > >>>>>>>>> etc). > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>> produce > >>>>>>> it, > >>>>>>>>> and we star > >>>>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying > >>> with > >>>>>>> more > >>>>>>>>> food for > >>>>>>>>>> > > > thought. > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am > >>> sorry > >>>>>>> dear > >>>>>>>>> tolerant > >>>>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > >>>>>>> religious/non- > >>>>>>>>> ritual > >>>>>>>>>> > type > >>>>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail > >>> to > >>>>>>>>> notice the > >>>>>>>>>> > strength > >>>>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive > >>>>>>> mother > >>>>>>>>> to do her > >>>>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father > >>>>>>> scientist > >>>>>>>>> manager > >>>>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual > >>>>>>>>> scriptures such as > >>>>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very > >>> intensively > >>>>>>>>> tuning into > >>>>>>>>>> > that > >>>>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core > >>>>>>> scientist > >>>>>>>>> and one of > >>>>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, > >>>>>>> europe > >>>>>>>>> trained and > >>>>>>>>>> > all > >>>>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the > >>> wall > >>>>>>> next > >>>>>>>>> to his bed > >>>>>>>>>> > for > >>>>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > >>>>>>> Ramakrishna > >>>>>>>>> in the next > >>>>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This > >>> man > >>>>>>> always > >>>>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed > >>>>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never > >>>>> really > >>>>>>>>> stopped me > >>>>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being > >>> successful > >>>>>>> at a > >>>>>>>>> few things > >>>>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There > >>>>> was > >>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>> moment when > >>>>>>>>>> > I > >>>>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology > >>>>>>>>> miscellany quizzes > >>>>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly > >>> showed > >>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>> to him. He > >>>>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even > > today! > >>>>>>> One of > >>>>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>>>> > favourite > >>>>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > >>>>> Unfortunately > >>>>>>>>> most of us do > >>>>>>>>>> > not > >>>>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being > >>> irrelevant. > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality > >>> has > >>>>>>> much > >>>>>>>>> more power > >>>>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is > >>>>>>> FLEXIBLE, > >>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>> > respects > >>>>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades > >>> through > >>>>>>> each > >>>>>>>>> and every > >>>>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the > >>>>>>> fullest > >>>>>>>>>> > expression of > >>>>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully > >>>>>>> enjoying > >>>>>>>>> those, > >>>>>>>>>> > never > >>>>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > RR > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > , > >>> srinivasa > >>>>>>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever > >>>>>>>>> cosmological > >>>>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God > >>>>>>> reveals > >>>>>>>>> himself > >>>>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu > > and > >>>>>>> Shiva > >>>>>>>>> along with > >>>>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > >>> etc,and > >>>>>>>>> others like > >>>>>>>>>> > Shirdi > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > >>>>> Christ,Prophet > >>>>>>>>> Mohammed etc > >>>>>>>>>> > all > >>>>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods > > for > >>>>>>>>> bringing in the > >>>>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > >>> madeout > >>>>> by > >>>>>>>>> selfish > >>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain > >>>>> false > >>>>>>>>> sympathy and > >>>>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires (more > >>>>>>> personal > >>>>>>>>> or for a > >>>>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code- > >>> The > >>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>>> (some) > >>>>>>>>>> > are > >>>>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > >>>>> theselves > >>>>>>>>> are not > >>>>>>>>>> > > bothering > >>>>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the > >>>>>>>>> question is the > >>>>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > >>>>> creativeness > >>>>>>>>> and freedom > >>>>>>>>>> > of > >>>>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > >>>>> married > >>>>>>> 8 > >>>>>>>>> women and > >>>>>>>>>> > gave > >>>>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other > > wives,the > >>>>>>> truth > >>>>>>>>> was never > >>>>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the > >>>>>>>>> importance of > >>>>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form > > of > >>>>>>>>> TheDivine even > >>>>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed > > as > >>>>>>> truth > >>>>>>>>> that jesus > >>>>>>>>>> > was > >>>>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty > >>> (in > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> name of > >>>>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the > >>>>>>> truth.Some > >>>>>>>>> day we > >>>>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the > > branch > >>>>> on > >>>>>>>>> which we're > >>>>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish > >>>>>>> desires > >>>>>>>>> these > >>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of > >>>>>>> religious > >>>>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll > >>>>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > >>>>> without > >>>>>>>>> warning.So > >>>>>>>>>> > please > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of > >>>>>>>>> expression media > >>>>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed > > dangerous > >>>>>>>>> boundaries. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> regards > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Sri, > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your > >>>>>>> message > >>>>>>>>> but when > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the > >>>>> image > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> a Kind and > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Wise > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best > >>>>>>> interests > >>>>>>>>>> > (actually > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief > > have > >>>>>>> stood > >>>>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>> > religions > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, > > would > >>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>> still be > >>>>>>>>>> > here? > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity > >>> that > >>>>>>> has > >>>>>>>>> been > >>>>>>>>>> > > > associated > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or > >>> another. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though > >>>>> with > >>>>>>> some > >>>>>>>>>> > difficulty! > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> RR > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> , > >>>>> srinivasa > >>>>>>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based > > on > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> sermon > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > >>>>>>> particular > >>>>>>>>> mantra(when > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja > > done > >>>>>>> based > >>>>>>>>> on saatwik > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > >>>>> AdiSankaracharya > >>>>>>> or > >>>>>>>>> Other > >>>>>>>>>> > Revered > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > >>>>> prescribed > >>>>>>>>> mantra is > >>>>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>>>> > > > apt > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will > > lead > >>>>> to > >>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>> proper > >>>>>>>>>> > person > >>>>>>>>>> > > > at > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such > >>> that > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> native > >>>>>>>>>> > gets > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner > >>>>>>> fortitude > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> > withstand > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without > >>>>> letting > >>>>>>>>> him loose > >>>>>>>>>> > his > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in > >>> our > >>>>>>> work > >>>>>>>>> spot if we > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he > >>>>> will > >>>>>>>>> solve himself > >>>>>>>>>> > > > (if > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he > >>>>> will > >>>>>>>>> direct us to > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the > >>>>>>>>> authorised one). > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your > > observation. > >>>>> The > >>>>>>>>> quick remedy > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer > > too. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for > >>>>>>> shani, > >>>>>>>>> mars, > >>>>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > >>> example - > >>>>>>>>> jyotishi > >>>>>>>>>> > suggest > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make > > sense? > >>>>>>> and if > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> > native > >>>>>>>>>> > > > is > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following > >>> krishna's > >>>>>>>>> pooja; then > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, > >>> then > >>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>> must also > >>>>>>>>>> > be > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / > > afliction > >>>>> etc > >>>>>>>>> can be > >>>>>>>>>> > remedied > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age > > (or > >>>>> say > >>>>>>>>> which dasha > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to > > invoke > >>>>>>>>> powers) require > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not > >>>>> all > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such > >>> rituals > >>>>>>> well. > >>>>>>>>> and if > >>>>>>>>>> > does > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the > > standard > >>>>>>> excuse > >>>>>>>>> for the > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined > >>>>>>> vidhi of > >>>>>>>>> surya > >>>>>>>>>> > naman > >>>>>>>>>> > > > ( > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > >>>>>>> circumstances), > >>>>>>>>> offering > >>>>>>>>>> > > > water > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja > >>> etc. > >>>>> I > >>>>>>> do > >>>>>>>>> not think, > >>>>>>>>>> > > > the > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going > >>> to > >>>>>>> help > >>>>>>>>> without > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how > >>> do > >>>>> we > >>>>>>>>> know, if the > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not > >>> required > >>>>>>> any > >>>>>>>>> more? > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>>>>>> produce > >>>>>>>>> it, and we > >>>>>>>>>> > > > star > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at > >>>>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > >>>>>>> proffessor ,told > >>>>>>>>> us > >>>>>>>>>> > students > >>>>>>>>>> > > > a > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > >>>>>>>>> remedies,without > >>>>>>>>>> > > > knowledge, > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> its > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many > > times, > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>>>> > statement > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results > >>>>>>> forthcoming > >>>>>>>>> or news > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy > >>> is > >>>>>>>>> suggested. Also > >>>>>>>>>> > > > it > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, > >>>>>>> when he > >>>>>>>>> suggests > >>>>>>>>>> > so > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is > >>> saying. > >>>>>>> For > >>>>>>>>> eg.for > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native > >>> to > >>>>> do > >>>>>>>>> pooja of > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the > >>>>> shakti > >>>>>>>>> may be one, > >>>>>>>>>> > > > but > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> the > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like > >>>>>>> sattwa, > >>>>>>>>> tamas or > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> rajas. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the > > native ? > >>>>>>> Also > >>>>>>>>> at times > >>>>>>>>>> > > > stones > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the > >>>>> divine > >>>>>>>>> couloured > >>>>>>>>>> > rays > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case > >>>>>>> solidified > >>>>>>>>>> > state),also > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > >>> suggested > >>>>>>>>> wrongly. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > >>> Mahadasha > >>>>>>>>> lord, some for > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > >>>>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>>>> the stone > >>>>>>>>>> > at > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > >>>>> results > >>>>>>>>> also which > >>>>>>>>>> > > > would > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For > >>>>>>> ex.Libra > >>>>>>>>>> > > > native.Will > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? > >>> Only > >>>>>>>>> experience > >>>>>>>>>> > from > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> the > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. > >>>>>>> Talking of > >>>>>>>>> mantras, > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi > >>>>>>> munis > >>>>>>>>> of ancient > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> times > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple > >>>>> recite > >>>>>>>>> the mantra > >>>>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the > >>> same > >>>>>>>>> mantra > >>>>>>>>>> > wrongly, > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course > >>>>> they > >>>>>>>>> had the > >>>>>>>>>> > power > >>>>>>>>>> > > > to > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and > > then, > >>>>> but > >>>>>>>>> what about > >>>>>>>>>> > us > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for > >>>>> long, > >>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>> the point > >>>>>>>>>> > > > is, > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > >>>>>>> remedies. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> , > >>>>> Prafulla > >>>>>>>>> Gang > >>>>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so > >>>>>>> please > >>>>>>>>> do not > >>>>>>>>>> > > > misread > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> me. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, > >>>>>>> curses > >>>>>>>>> etc in a > >>>>>>>>>> > > > chart > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures > > (per > >>>>> his > >>>>>>>>> experience). > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Native > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some > >>> remedy > >>>>>>> (may > >>>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>> > > > alternative > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly > >>> or > >>>>>>>>> unknowlingly > >>>>>>>>>> > > > (for > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful > >>>>> remedy > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> rahu / > >>>>>>>>>> > > > ketu; > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without > >>>>>>> thinking > >>>>>>>>> it as > >>>>>>>>>> > remedy > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > >>>>>>> recommendation > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>> > > > remedies, > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / > >>> daily > >>>>>>>>> routine etc. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Should > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > >>>>> Specifically - > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the > >>>>> curse / > >>>>>>>>> affliction > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> related > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at > >>>>>>> respective > >>>>>>>>> planetary > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> ages > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > >>> considered > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> be fully > >>>>>>>>>> > > > done > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> or > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist > >>> like. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good > >>> practice > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially > >>>>>>> around > >>>>>>>>> mantras. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must > >>> be > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>> line with > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> native's > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc > >>>>>>> involve > >>>>>>>>> lots of > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> rituals > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > >>>>> assessment > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> its need > >>>>>>>>>> > is > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt > >>> so > >>>>>>>>> casually by > >>>>>>>>>> > > > fellow > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the > >>> list > >>>>>>>>> astrologers) > >>>>>>>>>> > and > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> to a > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for > >>>>> getting > >>>>>>>>> into > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>>>>>> produce > >>>>>>>>> it, and > >>>>>>>>>> > we > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> star > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > >>> life!! > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > >>>>>>>>> protection around > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been > >>>>>>> removed] > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > >>>>>>>>> protection around > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been > >>>>>>> removed] > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Prashantkumar G B > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > group > >>>>>>>>>> > > but > >>>>>>>>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by > > chat, > >>>>>>> mail > >>>>>>>>> or phone. > >>>>>>>>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > >>>>>>>>>> > > 09840051861 > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 SORRY IN NATAL CHART Sun + Mer + Moon in 8th house in Leo (and not 5th) , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Following chart came up just three days back for study. > > DOB 27th Aug 1973 > TOB 6.00 pm > POB - Bikaner (Rajasthan) > > Current Mahadasha running Moon from 25.5.05 till 25.5.15 > Antar Mars from 23.3.06 till 26.10.06 > > > Ascendant- Capricorn > Jup in 1st house, > Mars in 4th > Saturn + Ketu in 6th > Sun + Mer + Moon in 5th > Venus in 9th > > Cuspal > Mars moves to 3rd > Saturn + Ketu to 5th > Venus to 8th > Jupiter to 12th > Sun + Moon + Mer to 7th > > Notes. > Though Sun is in its own house but close proximity to Moon who is > Lord of 7th and also > Mer becomes 9th Lord denoting father . All three together in 8th > showing affliction > In Cuspal also though Moon in own 7th house but Sun also as lord of > eight along with > Mercury lord of 9th as well as 6th. > > About native- > Is Chartered accountant earning Rs.1 Lakh salary per month in Bombay > in some company. > Was never able to satisfy father and always difference of opinion > existed. Finally after > finishing course of CA left father for greener pastures. Since last > many years > after marriage not staying with father. They both are in different > cities. Father lives in Calcutta. > Now problem with wife who is educated. Not happy marriage, though > will not seperate. > > I have not yet suggested remedy for Sun. > Most of the afflictions mentioned by Prafullji exist here. > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > If you may share experiences with afflicted sun / malefic sun or > weak sun (in any chart if you can) , it will help us in understanding > the necessity of remedies for sun. > > > > I request other members as well, to share the experiences with > weak / afflicted or malefic sun. and the remedies pursued for it. > > > > Malefic sun is one of the major factor (often overlooked as well) > for disturbed marital life (seperation / divorce etc). If sun is > malefic / afflicted / weak, it has tendency to make the native > unethical (immoral will be little harsh statement - yes, he will be > less inclined for upholding moral values) with uncompromising egos > and overconfidence. Native often overlooks his dharma and if it has > connection with 7th house / 7th lord / venus etc, then can affect > married life adversely (subject to other overriding factors, dasha > etc). > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:38:27 -0000 > > > > > > REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN > > > > > > Dear Prafullji, > > > > > > fasting on sundays should be broken (at sun set) and in that > evening > > > meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic sun) > > > > > > - Sir I did exactly this, broke fast before sunset and without > salt. > > > (The first Sunday of fast itself You will not believe I had the > > > tremendous effect. > > > In the evening after night fall Father called me and asked me > to > > > explain what i was doing > > > professionaly. The conversations which followed ensued in a > > > terrible verbal fight > > > between us, and i remember going to my room heart-broken and > > > commenting to my wife,- > > > what is the use of this fast, etc.- But after half an hour I > do > > > not know what came into me > > > I took all my papers and accounts to show him and the > samples of > > > electrical items which I was > > > selling at that time. He then asked me to join him under a > > > common roof where he already has > > > a flourishing business, which I did and continued with him for > > > next 5 years. Prior to this I was > > > seperated from my father in business for 3 years and were not > on > > > talking terms. > > > This was the effect of Sun Gods favour on first day itself. > > > > > > > > > Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper > > > plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like > recitation > > > of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) > > > > > > -My sister sent this plate to me with instructions of making the > > > Round Sun on the copper plate > > > with sandal wood paste (She sent this also, so that my doing > > > pooja ,would be ensured ) > > > and then chanting prayers to Surya Narayan , Aditya Hrdyam > Stotra, > > > Om Suryaye namah Japa Mala, etc. > > > She sent this from Calcutta on advise of some Pandit whom she > had > > > shown my Kundli. > > > > > > Though the above experiences are personal, yet I have mentioned so > > > readers can get first > > > person feel. > > > My ascendant is Leo. Sun is in 11th house (10th Bhava) in Gemini > > > along with Mercury. > > > Moon is in 5th house (4th Bhava) in Sagittarius . was born on > > > Purnima. > > > In Navamsha Sun is with Mercury in Capricorn in 6th house. > > > > > > Hope info helps, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > >> > > >> In my experiences with few local astrologers - I observed little > > > modifed remedies (from the detailed list you provided) > > >> > > >> fasting on sundays should be broken like rojas in islam (at sun > > > set) and in that evening meal - salt must not be consumed. > (malefic > > > sun) > > >> > > >> charities of red wheat / gud etc to kshatriya community person > > > (some suggest the weight of wheat to be equal to the weight of > > > native) - malefic sun > > >> > > >> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper > > > plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like > recitation > > > of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) > > >> > > >> Some more remedies, i observed people pursuing for malefic sun > > >> > > >> prior to commencement of any work / meeting, eat a piece > > > of "Mishri" (I think, it is lal kitab's totka) > > >> > > >> In the sunday evening (around sun set), offering roti (baked on > > > fire) cooked from left out flour to an sitting OX (one will seldom > > > find an Ox sitting around sunset time) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >> > > >> After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> panditarjun2004@ > > >>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:24:04 -0000 > > >>> > > >>> new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN > > >>> > > >>> dear prafullaji > > >>> > > >>> as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING > MEMBERS > > >>> discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we > > > mean > > >>> remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, > that > > >>> particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with > > >>> which the native stands benefited. > > >>> > > >>> so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. > > > when > > >>> sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in > > >>> conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and > > >>> ketu, we find negative results. > > >>> > > >>> following are the general remedies which can be followed for any > > >>> type of sun related problems: > > >>> > > >>> 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > > >>> 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > > >>> 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven > > > horses > > >>> and offering it a red flower daily. > > >>> 4. fasting on sundays. > > >>> 5. donate wheat grains. > > >>> 6. donate food to blind people. > > >>> 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > > >>> 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > > >>> 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and > symbol. > > >>> > > >>> members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the > > > reasoning > > >>> or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my > > >>> understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects > and > > >>> hence can be done as an upay for sun. > > >>> > > >>> this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all > > >>> remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members > are > > >>> free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw > more > > >>> light. > > >>> > > >>> with best wishes > > >>> pandit arjun > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > >>>> > > >>>> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to > > > structure > > >>> this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary > remedies, > > >>> then for various curses etc) and then each member may share > their > > >>> experiences / various remedies. > > >>>> > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>> > > >>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> panditarjun2004@ > > >>>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > >>>>> > > >>>>> dear friends > > >>>>> > > >>>>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to > > >>>>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will > supply > > >>>>> facts, references and past results with various people from > > > which > > >>>>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to > discuss > > >>> one > > >>>>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we > > >>>>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution > > > this > > >>>>> group would have ever got. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> with best wishes > > >>>>> pandit arjun > > >>>>> > > >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > > <jyotish@> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Very well said. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > > >>> remedies > > >>>>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar > Mantra > > >>> is > > >>>>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and > > > fasting > > >>>>> system for shani / ketu. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary > > >>>>> factor. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective > for > > >>>>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question > started > > >>>>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > > >>> required (I > > >>>>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already > > > fixed > > >>>>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > > >>> transit / > > >>>>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a > groan. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> panditarjun2004@ > > >>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> dear friends > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that > jells > > >>>>> well > > >>>>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the > > >>>>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, > > >>>>>>> periodically in all groups. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan > > > for > > >>>>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement > that > > >>>>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed > by > > >>> ALL > > >>>>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL > > > religions. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > > >>> religions > > >>>>> DO > > >>>>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of > a > > >>>>> person > > >>>>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all > religions, > > >>>>> these > > >>>>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as > > >>>>> devotees > > >>>>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > > >>>>> prafulla > > >>>>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can > furnsih > > >>>>> both > > >>>>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains > > >>>>> along > > >>>>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains > which > > >>>>> are > > >>>>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > > >>>>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, > > >>>>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow > remedies > > >>>>> with > > >>>>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > > >>>>> chartered > > >>>>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the > law > > >>>>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > > >>> PRESENT > > >>>>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately > when > > >>>>> comes > > >>>>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are > not > > >>>>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from > > >>>>> orient > > >>>>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the > present > > >>>>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and > ratinale > > >>> is > > >>>>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by > any > > >>>>>>> religious person. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > > >>>>> expereinces > > >>>>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. > > > unfortunately > > >>>>> in > > >>>>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions > and > > >>>>> try > > >>>>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not > > >>> get > > >>>>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > > >>>>> similarly > > >>>>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results > and > > >>>>> hence > > >>>>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the > best > > >>>>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to > > >>>>> alcohol > > >>>>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt > > > get > > >>>>> it. > > >>>>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite > his > > >>>>> being > > >>>>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and > > >>>>> start > > >>>>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy > > > and > > >>>>> has > > >>>>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > > >>> ancestors, > > >>>>> he > > >>>>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > > >>>>> previous > > >>>>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins > > >>> which > > >>>>> is > > >>>>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations > and > > >>> are > > >>>>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal > > >>>>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, > > > so > > >>>>> that > > >>>>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular > > >>> remedy > > >>>>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many > > >>> people > > >>>>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > > >>>>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he > > > cannot > > >>>>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved > > >>> best > > >>>>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> with best wishes > > >>>>>>> pandit arjun > > >>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > >>> <jyotish@> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra > > > by > > >>>>> any > > >>>>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and > > > we > > >>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 > tantra > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Sir, > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what > > > Your > > >>>>>>>>> goodself has mentioned. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if > > >>> done > > >>>>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > > >>>>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over > last > > >>>>>>>>> 2 decades. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in > > > horoscope, > > >>>>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with > > >>> own > > >>>>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the > superiors > > >>>>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > > >>>>> regularly) > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the > > >>> house. > > >>>>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > > >>>>> members > > >>>>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > > >>> longlife > > >>>>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after > practise) > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, > > >>>>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > > >>>>> indirectly. > > >>>>>>>>> Thank You. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G > B > > >>>>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Prafulla > > >>>>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM > > >>> between > > >>>>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for > > >>> diff > > >>>>>>>>> planets > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana > gives > > >>>>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > > >>>>>>> diorders. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also > help > > >>> for > > >>>>>>> many > > >>>>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > > >>>>> respirotary > > >>>>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > > >>> religious > > >>>>>>> works > > >>>>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > > >>>>>>> prescribed, > > >>>>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > > >>>>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew > > > them > > >>>>> so > > >>>>>>> did > > >>>>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > > >>> systems > > >>>>>>> to get > > >>>>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try > it > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too > > >>> who > > >>>>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system > do > > >>> try > > >>>>>>> whole > > >>>>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural > as > > >>>>>>> breathing. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know > > >>> muslims > > >>>>>>> who > > >>>>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there > was > > >>> a > > >>>>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can > take > > > a > > >>>>>>> look in > > >>>>>>>>> archives. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > Dear > > >>>>> Shri > > >>>>>>>>> Kumar ji > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to > me): > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native > for > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > > >>>>>>> strengtht to > > >>>>>>>>> find realistic solutions > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any > > > role, > > >>>>> if > > >>>>>>> any. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > > >>> possible, > > >>>>>>> must > > >>>>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > > >>> suggesting > > >>>>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > > >>>>> authentic > > >>>>>>>>> remedies > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored > the > > >>>>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of > > > the > > >>>>>>> planet. > > >>>>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic > shani) - > > >>>>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit > > >>> more > > >>>>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment > > >>> little > > >>>>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This > may > > >>>>> tone > > >>>>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in > coping > > >>> up > > >>>>>>> with > > >>>>>>>>> challenges. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > > >>> and > > >>>>> we > > >>>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > > >>>>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > > > 23/7 - > > >>> 4 > > >>>>>>> tantra > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla, > > >>>>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r > > >>>>>>> offshoots > > >>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, > evil > > >>>>>>> design > > >>>>>>>>> or black > > >>>>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and > > >>> helped > > >>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to > > >>> watch > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>> rise of > > >>>>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions > > >>> have > > >>>>>>> very > > >>>>>>>>> intense > > >>>>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > > >>>>> tantras > > >>>>>>> (do > > >>>>>>>>> not mix > > >>>>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > > >>> it, > > >>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>> we star in > > >>>>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > > >>>>>>> 23/27 -2 > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies > r > > >>> not > > >>>>>>>>> bbeong done or > > >>>>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, > hen > > >>> or > > >>>>>>> child > > >>>>>>>>> or huam > > >>>>>>>>>> > so > > >>>>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > > >>>>> excessive > > >>>>>>>>> balis then > > >>>>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear > if > > >>>>>>> there > > >>>>>>>>> was no > > >>>>>>>>>> > rain or > > >>>>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin > of > > >>>>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific > > >>>>>>> religion, > > >>>>>>>>> then why > > >>>>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, > > > suggesting > > >>>>>>>>> something which > > >>>>>>>>>> > is > > >>>>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > > >>>>> religion > > >>>>>>>>> etc). > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > >>> produce > > >>>>>>> it, > > >>>>>>>>> and we star > > >>>>>>>>>> > in > > >>>>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying > > >>> with > > >>>>>>> more > > >>>>>>>>> food for > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > thought. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am > > >>> sorry > > >>>>>>> dear > > >>>>>>>>> tolerant > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > > >>>>>>> religious/non- > > >>>>>>>>> ritual > > >>>>>>>>>> > type > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly > fail > > >>> to > > >>>>>>>>> notice the > > >>>>>>>>>> > strength > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and > submissive > > >>>>>>> mother > > >>>>>>>>> to do her > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father > > >>>>>>> scientist > > >>>>>>>>> manager > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in > intellectual > > >>>>>>>>> scriptures such as > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very > > >>> intensively > > >>>>>>>>> tuning into > > >>>>>>>>>> > that > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard- core > > >>>>>>> scientist > > >>>>>>>>> and one of > > >>>>>>>>>> > the > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever > known, > > >>>>>>> europe > > >>>>>>>>> trained and > > >>>>>>>>>> > all > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the > > >>> wall > > >>>>>>> next > > >>>>>>>>> to his bed > > >>>>>>>>>> > for > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > > >>>>>>> Ramakrishna > > >>>>>>>>> in the next > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This > > >>> man > > >>>>>>> always > > >>>>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never > > >>>>> really > > >>>>>>>>> stopped me > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being > > >>> successful > > >>>>>>> at a > > >>>>>>>>> few things > > >>>>>>>>>> > in > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. > There > > >>>>> was > > >>>>>>> a > > >>>>>>>>> moment when > > >>>>>>>>>> > I > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the > Astrology > > >>>>>>>>> miscellany quizzes > > >>>>>>>>>> > in > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly > > >>> showed > > >>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>> to him. He > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even > > > today! > > >>>>>>> One of > > >>>>>>>>> his > > >>>>>>>>>> > favourite > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > > >>>>> Unfortunately > > >>>>>>>>> most of us do > > >>>>>>>>>> > not > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being > > >>> irrelevant. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality > > >>> has > > >>>>>>> much > > >>>>>>>>> more power > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is > > >>>>>>> FLEXIBLE, > > >>>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>> > respects > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades > > >>> through > > >>>>>>> each > > >>>>>>>>> and every > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is > the > > >>>>>>> fullest > > >>>>>>>>>> > expression of > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully > > >>>>>>> enjoying > > >>>>>>>>> those, > > >>>>>>>>>> > never > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > RR > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > , > > >>> srinivasa > > >>>>>>>>> murthy adavi > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that > wherever > > >>>>>>>>> cosmological > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them > God > > >>>>>>> reveals > > >>>>>>>>> himself > > >>>>>>>>>> > in > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity (Brahma,Vishnu > > > and > > >>>>>>> Shiva > > >>>>>>>>> along with > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > > >>> etc,and > > >>>>>>>>> others like > > >>>>>>>>>> > Shirdi > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > > >>>>> Christ,Prophet > > >>>>>>>>> Mohammed etc > > >>>>>>>>>> > all > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods > > > for > > >>>>>>>>> bringing in the > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > > >>> madeout > > >>>>> by > > >>>>>>>>> selfish > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to > gain > > >>>>> false > > >>>>>>>>> sympathy and > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires > (more > > >>>>>>> personal > > >>>>>>>>> or for a > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal > good). > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci > Code- > > >>> The > > >>>>>>> people > > >>>>>>>>> (some) > > >>>>>>>>>> > are > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > > >>>>> theselves > > >>>>>>>>> are not > > >>>>>>>>>> > > bothering > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here > the > > >>>>>>>>> question is the > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > > >>>>> creativeness > > >>>>>>>>> and freedom > > >>>>>>>>>> > of > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > > >>>>> married > > >>>>>>> 8 > > >>>>>>>>> women and > > >>>>>>>>>> > gave > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other > > > wives,the > > >>>>>>> truth > > >>>>>>>>> was never > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world > the > > >>>>>>>>> importance of > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form > > > of > > >>>>>>>>> TheDivine even > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed > > > as > > >>>>>>> truth > > >>>>>>>>> that jesus > > >>>>>>>>>> > was > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take > liberty > > >>> (in > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>> name of > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the > > >>>>>>> truth.Some > > >>>>>>>>> day we > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the > > > branch > > >>>>> on > > >>>>>>>>> which we're > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish > > >>>>>>> desires > > >>>>>>>>> these > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of > > >>>>>>> religious > > >>>>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > > >>>>> without > > >>>>>>>>> warning.So > > >>>>>>>>>> > please > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom > of > > >>>>>>>>> expression media > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed > > > dangerous > > >>>>>>>>> boundaries. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> regards > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Sri, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of > your > > >>>>>>> message > > >>>>>>>>> but when > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the > > >>>>> image > > >>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>> a Kind and > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Wise > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our > best > > >>>>>>> interests > > >>>>>>>>>> > (actually > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any > parent!) > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief > > > have > > >>>>>>> stood > > >>>>>>>>> all > > >>>>>>>>>> > religions > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, > > > would > > >>>>>>> they > > >>>>>>>>> still be > > >>>>>>>>>> > here? > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity > > >>> that > > >>>>>>> has > > >>>>>>>>> been > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > associated > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or > > >>> another. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, > though > > >>>>> with > > >>>>>>> some > > >>>>>>>>>> > difficulty! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> RR > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> , > > >>>>> srinivasa > > >>>>>>>>> murthy adavi > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based > > > on > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>> sermon > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > > >>>>>>> particular > > >>>>>>>>> mantra(when > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja > > > done > > >>>>>>> based > > >>>>>>>>> on saatwik > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > > >>>>> AdiSankaracharya > > >>>>>>> or > > >>>>>>>>> Other > > >>>>>>>>>> > Revered > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > > >>>>> prescribed > > >>>>>>>>> mantra is > > >>>>>>>>>> > the > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > apt > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will > > > lead > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>>> a > > >>>>>>>>> proper > > >>>>>>>>>> > person > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > at > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such > > >>> that > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>> native > > >>>>>>>>>> > gets > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner > > >>>>>>> fortitude > > >>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>> > withstand > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without > > >>>>> letting > > >>>>>>>>> him loose > > >>>>>>>>>> > his > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in > > >>> our > > >>>>>>> work > > >>>>>>>>> spot if we > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a > problem,he > > >>>>> will > > >>>>>>>>> solve himself > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > (if > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or > he > > >>>>> will > > >>>>>>>>> direct us to > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the > > >>>>>>>>> authorised one). > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your > > > observation. > > >>>>> The > > >>>>>>>>> quick remedy > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer > > > too. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are > for > > >>>>>>> shani, > > >>>>>>>>> mars, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > > >>> example - > > >>>>>>>>> jyotishi > > >>>>>>>>>> > suggest > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make > > > sense? > > >>>>>>> and if > > >>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>> > native > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > is > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following > > >>> krishna's > > >>>>>>>>> pooja; then > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, > > >>> then > > >>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>> must also > > >>>>>>>>>> > be > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / > > > afliction > > >>>>> etc > > >>>>>>>>> can be > > >>>>>>>>>> > remedied > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age > > > (or > > >>>>> say > > >>>>>>>>> which dasha > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to > > > invoke > > >>>>>>>>> powers) require > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, > not > > >>>>> all > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>> people > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such > > >>> rituals > > >>>>>>> well. > > >>>>>>>>> and if > > >>>>>>>>>> > does > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the > > > standard > > >>>>>>> excuse > > >>>>>>>>> for the > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is > predefined > > >>>>>>> vidhi of > > >>>>>>>>> surya > > >>>>>>>>>> > naman > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > ( > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > > >>>>>>> circumstances), > > >>>>>>>>> offering > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > water > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja > > >>> etc. > > >>>>> I > > >>>>>>> do > > >>>>>>>>> not think, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > the > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is > going > > >>> to > > >>>>>>> help > > >>>>>>>>> without > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - > how > > >>> do > > >>>>> we > > >>>>>>>>> know, if the > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not > > >>> required > > >>>>>>> any > > >>>>>>>>> more? > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > >>>>>>> produce > > >>>>>>>>> it, and we > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > star > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > life!! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture > at > > >>>>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > > >>>>>>> proffessor ,told > > >>>>>>>>> us > > >>>>>>>>>> > students > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > a > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > > >>>>>>>>> remedies,without > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > knowledge, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> its > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many > > > times, > > >>>>> of > > >>>>>>> this > > >>>>>>>>>> > statement > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results > > >>>>>>> forthcoming > > >>>>>>>>> or news > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong > remedy > > >>> is > > >>>>>>>>> suggested. Also > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > it > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the > astrologer, > > >>>>>>> when he > > >>>>>>>>> suggests > > >>>>>>>>>> > so > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is > > >>> saying. > > >>>>>>> For > > >>>>>>>>> eg.for > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the > native > > >>> to > > >>>>> do > > >>>>>>>>> pooja of > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the > > >>>>> shakti > > >>>>>>>>> may be one, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > but > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> the > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas > like > > >>>>>>> sattwa, > > >>>>>>>>> tamas or > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> rajas. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the > > > native ? > > >>>>>>> Also > > >>>>>>>>> at times > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > stones > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the > > >>>>> divine > > >>>>>>>>> couloured > > >>>>>>>>>> > rays > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case > > >>>>>>> solidified > > >>>>>>>>>> > state),also > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > > >>> suggested > > >>>>>>>>> wrongly. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > > >>> Mahadasha > > >>>>>>>>> lord, some for > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > > >>>>>>> suggesting > > >>>>>>>>> the stone > > >>>>>>>>>> > at > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > > >>>>> results > > >>>>>>>>> also which > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > would > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. > For > > >>>>>>> ex.Libra > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > native.Will > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? > > >>> Only > > >>>>>>>>> experience > > >>>>>>>>>> > from > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> the > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. > > >>>>>>> Talking of > > >>>>>>>>> mantras, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the > rishi > > >>>>>>> munis > > >>>>>>>>> of ancient > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> times > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple > > >>>>> recite > > >>>>>>>>> the mantra > > >>>>>>>>>> > in > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the > > >>> same > > >>>>>>>>> mantra > > >>>>>>>>>> > wrongly, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of > course > > >>>>> they > > >>>>>>>>> had the > > >>>>>>>>>> > power > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > to > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and > > > then, > > >>>>> but > > >>>>>>>>> what about > > >>>>>>>>>> > us > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for > > >>>>> long, > > >>>>>>> but > > >>>>>>>>> the point > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > is, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > > >>>>>>> remedies. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> , > > >>>>> Prafulla > > >>>>>>>>> Gang > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, > so > > >>>>>>> please > > >>>>>>>>> do not > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > misread > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> me. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult > combinations, > > >>>>>>> curses > > >>>>>>>>> etc in a > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > chart > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures > > > (per > > >>>>> his > > >>>>>>>>> experience). > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Native > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some > > >>> remedy > > >>>>>>> (may > > >>>>>>>>> be > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > alternative > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) > knowingly > > >>> or > > >>>>>>>>> unknowlingly > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > (for > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful > > >>>>> remedy > > >>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>> rahu / > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > ketu; > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without > > >>>>>>> thinking > > >>>>>>>>> it as > > >>>>>>>>>> > remedy > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > > >>>>>>> recommendation > > >>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > remedies, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / > > >>> daily > > >>>>>>>>> routine etc. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> Should > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > > >>>>> Specifically - > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the > > >>>>> curse / > > >>>>>>>>> affliction > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> related > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more > required? > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at > > >>>>>>> respective > > >>>>>>>>> planetary > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> ages > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > > >>> considered > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>> be fully > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > done > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> or > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist > > >>> like. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good > > >>> practice > > >>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>> suggesting > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; > especially > > >>>>>>> around > > >>>>>>>>> mantras. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - > must > > >>> be > > >>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>> line with > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> native's > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras > etc > > >>>>>>> involve > > >>>>>>>>> lots of > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> rituals > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > > >>>>> assessment > > >>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>> its need > > >>>>>>>>>> > is > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be > dealt > > >>> so > > >>>>>>>>> casually by > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > fellow > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the > > >>> list > > >>>>>>>>> astrologers) > > >>>>>>>>>> > and > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> to a > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for > > >>>>> getting > > >>>>>>>>> into > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, > we > > >>>>>>> produce > > >>>>>>>>> it, and > > >>>>>>>>>> > we > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >> star > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Hi. I have Sun in the first house (Taurus), and in my opinion, it is severely afflicted by way of close conjunction of Rahu. Since it is the Lord of the fourth house, I have found that all the karakas of fourth house were either denied or inordinately delayed. I don't have any marital problem. My marriage took place very very late though. I don't have any child. Thanks manoj --- bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > SORRY IN NATAL CHART > Sun + Mer + Moon in 8th house in Leo (and not 5th) > > > , > "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > Following chart came up just three days back for > study. > > > > DOB 27th Aug 1973 > > TOB 6.00 pm > > POB - Bikaner (Rajasthan) > > > > Current Mahadasha running Moon from 25.5.05 till > 25.5.15 > > Antar Mars from 23.3.06 till 26.10.06 > > > > > > Ascendant- Capricorn > > Jup in 1st house, > > Mars in 4th > > Saturn + Ketu in 6th > > Sun + Mer + Moon in 5th > > Venus in 9th > > > > Cuspal > > Mars moves to 3rd > > Saturn + Ketu to 5th > > Venus to 8th > > Jupiter to 12th > > Sun + Moon + Mer to 7th > > > > Notes. > > Though Sun is in its own house but close proximity > to Moon who is > > Lord of 7th and also > > Mer becomes 9th Lord denoting father . All three > together in 8th > > showing affliction > > In Cuspal also though Moon in own 7th house but > Sun also as lord of > > eight along with > > Mercury lord of 9th as well as 6th. > > > > About native- > > Is Chartered accountant earning Rs.1 Lakh salary > per month in > Bombay > > in some company. > > Was never able to satisfy father and always > difference of opinion > > existed. Finally after > > finishing course of CA left father for greener > pastures. Since last > > many years > > after marriage not staying with father. They both > are in different > > cities. Father lives in Calcutta. > > Now problem with wife who is educated. Not happy > marriage, though > > will not seperate. > > > > I have not yet suggested remedy for Sun. > > Most of the afflictions mentioned by Prafullji > exist here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla > Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > If you may share experiences with afflicted sun > / malefic sun or > > weak sun (in any chart if you can) , it will help > us in > understanding > > the necessity of remedies for sun. > > > > > > I request other members as well, to share the > experiences with > > weak / afflicted or malefic sun. and the remedies > pursued for it. > > > > > > Malefic sun is one of the major factor (often > overlooked as well) > > for disturbed marital life (seperation / divorce > etc). If sun is > > malefic / afflicted / weak, it has tendency to > make the native > > unethical (immoral will be little harsh statement > - yes, he will be > > less inclined for upholding moral values) with > uncompromising egos > > and overconfidence. Native often overlooks his > dharma and if it has > > connection with 7th house / 7th lord / venus etc, > then can affect > > married life adversely (subject to other > overriding factors, dasha > > etc). > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:38:27 -0000 > > > > > > > > REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN > > > > > > > > Dear Prafullji, > > > > > > > > fasting on sundays should be broken (at sun > set) and in that > > evening > > > > meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic > sun) > > > > > > > > - Sir I did exactly this, broke fast before > sunset and without > > salt. > > > > (The first Sunday of fast itself You will > not believe I had > the > > > > tremendous effect. > > > > In the evening after night fall Father > called me and asked > me > > to > > > > explain what i was doing > > > > professionaly. The conversations which > followed ensued in a > > > > terrible verbal fight > > > > between us, and i remember going to my > room heart-broken and > > > > commenting to my wife,- > > > > what is the use of this fast, etc.- But > after half an hour > I > > do > > > > not know what came into me > > > > I took all my papers and accounts to show > him and the > > samples of > > > > electrical items which I was > > > > selling at that time. He then asked me to > join him under a > > > > common roof where he already has > > > > a flourishing business, which I did and > continued with him > for > > > > next 5 years. Prior to this I was > > > > seperated from my father in business for 3 > years and were > not > > on > > > > talking terms. > > > > This was the effect of Sun Gods favour on > first day itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making > symbolic sun in copper > > > > plate with red sandalwood and then offering > prayers like > > recitation > > > > of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak > sun) > > > > > > > > -My sister sent this plate to me with > instructions of making the > > > > Round Sun on the copper plate > > > > with sandal wood paste (She sent this also, > so that my doing > > > > pooja ,would be ensured ) > > > > and then chanting prayers to Surya Narayan , > Aditya Hrdyam > > Stotra, > > > > Om Suryaye namah Japa Mala, etc. > > > > She sent this from Calcutta on advise of > some Pandit whom she > > had > > > > shown my Kundli. > > > > > > > > Though the above experiences are personal, yet > I have mentioned > so > > > > readers can get first > > > > person feel. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Yes Sir, The native of the chart I gave does wear glasse and thick ones, I remember. 5th house natural house of Sun if afflicted person may face problems in speculation. Yes will remember, good point. In chart You put up. Sun lord of Lagna, with Mercury a malefic and with Mars Yogkaraka for this lagna, does not sound good for health or money ,matters for native, again Rahu aspecting from 6th, are sufferings very much great to the native, to make her run away from her house ? But saturn seems to be saving grace here with Venus (Does it ?) fopr certain matters related to 10th house as in own natural house with Venus in own house, but again 3rd aspect to 12th worsens matters. Please dont keep in suspense. What is the fate of the native. again affliction to eyes noted here. bhaskar, , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > Interesting chart. > > generally speaking -for any chart - Sun, if afflicted / weak - also indicates eye trouble, bones related troubles (frequent fractures etc), disrespect to father (including spiritual gurus), heart trouble). if associated with bitter enemy rahu, will divert native from his dharma (with social immorality) and self righteousness etc; > > in the example quoted - sun is afflicting both 7th house / 9th house lord. > > Let me share another interesting chart -Female - leo lagna; moon/jupiter in 5th house, mercury/ketu/mars/sun in 12th house karka; venus/saturn in taurus; rahu in makara; I will write more about this in next mail from sun's perspective. > > Sun is also karka for speculation; and if afflicted - native must be careful from speculative activities. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:35:49 -0000 > > > > Re: REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN > > > > Following chart came up just three days back for study. > > > > DOB 27th Aug 1973 > > TOB 6.00 pm > > POB - Bikaner (Rajasthan) > > > > Current Mahadasha running Moon from 25.5.05 till 25.5.15 > > Antar Mars from 23.3.06 till 26.10.06 > > > > > > Ascendant- Capricorn > > Jup in 1st house, > > Mars in 4th > > Saturn + Ketu in 6th > > Sun + Mer + Moon in 5th > > Venus in 9th > > > > Cuspal > > Mars moves to 3rd > > Saturn + Ketu to 5th > > Venus to 8th > > Jupiter to 12th > > Sun + Moon + Mer to 7th > > > > Notes. > > Though Sun is in its own house but close proximity to Moon who is > > Lord of 7th and also > > Mer becomes 9th Lord denoting father . All three together in 8th > > showing affliction > > In Cuspal also though Moon in own 7th house but Sun also as lord of > > eight along with > > Mercury lord of 9th as well as 6th. > > > > About native- > > Is Chartered accountant earning Rs.1 Lakh salary per month in Bombay > > in some company. > > Was never able to satisfy father and always difference of opinion > > existed. Finally after > > finishing course of CA left father for greener pastures. Since last > > many years > > after marriage not staying with father. They both are in different > > cities. Father lives in Calcutta. > > Now problem with wife who is educated. Not happy marriage, though > > will not seperate. > > > > I have not yet suggested remedy for Sun. > > Most of the afflictions mentioned by Prafullji exist here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Bhaskar ji > >> > >> If you may share experiences with afflicted sun / malefic sun or > > weak sun (in any chart if you can) , it will help us in understanding > > the necessity of remedies for sun. > >> > >> I request other members as well, to share the experiences with > > weak / afflicted or malefic sun. and the remedies pursued for it. > >> > >> Malefic sun is one of the major factor (often overlooked as well) > > for disturbed marital life (seperation / divorce etc). If sun is > > malefic / afflicted / weak, it has tendency to make the native > > unethical (immoral will be little harsh statement - yes, he will be > > less inclined for upholding moral values) with uncompromising egos > > and overconfidence. Native often overlooks his dharma and if it has > > connection with 7th house / 7th lord / venus etc, then can affect > > married life adversely (subject to other overriding factors, dasha > > etc). > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> After every "victory" you have more enemies. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:38:27 -0000 > >>> > >>> REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN > >>> > >>> Dear Prafullji, > >>> > >>> fasting on sundays should be broken (at sun set) and in that > > evening > >>> meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic sun) > >>> > >>> - Sir I did exactly this, broke fast before sunset and without > > salt. > >>> (The first Sunday of fast itself You will not believe I had the > >>> tremendous effect. > >>> In the evening after night fall Father called me and asked me > > to > >>> explain what i was doing > >>> professionaly. The conversations which followed ensued in a > >>> terrible verbal fight > >>> between us, and i remember going to my room heart-broken and > >>> commenting to my wife,- > >>> what is the use of this fast, etc.- But after half an hour I > > do > >>> not know what came into me > >>> I took all my papers and accounts to show him and the > > samples of > >>> electrical items which I was > >>> selling at that time. He then asked me to join him under a > >>> common roof where he already has > >>> a flourishing business, which I did and continued with him for > >>> next 5 years. Prior to this I was > >>> seperated from my father in business for 3 years and were not > > on > >>> talking terms. > >>> This was the effect of Sun Gods favour on first day itself. > >>> > >>> > >>> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper > >>> plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like > > recitation > >>> of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) > >>> > >>> -My sister sent this plate to me with instructions of making the > >>> Round Sun on the copper plate > >>> with sandal wood paste (She sent this also, so that my doing > >>> pooja ,would be ensured ) > >>> and then chanting prayers to Surya Narayan , Aditya Hrdyam > > Stotra, > >>> Om Suryaye namah Japa Mala, etc. > >>> She sent this from Calcutta on advise of some Pandit whom she > > had > >>> shown my Kundli. > >>> > >>> Though the above experiences are personal, yet I have mentioned so > >>> readers can get first > >>> person feel. > >>> My ascendant is Leo. Sun is in 11th house (10th Bhava) in Gemini > >>> along with Mercury. > >>> Moon is in 5th house (4th Bhava) in Sagittarius . was born on > >>> Purnima. > >>> In Navamsha Sun is with Mercury in Capricorn in 6th house. > >>> > >>> Hope info helps, > >>> > >>> Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > >>>> > >>>> In my experiences with few local astrologers - I observed little > >>> modifed remedies (from the detailed list you provided) > >>>> > >>>> fasting on sundays should be broken like rojas in islam (at sun > >>> set) and in that evening meal - salt must not be consumed. > > (malefic > >>> sun) > >>>> > >>>> charities of red wheat / gud etc to kshatriya community person > >>> (some suggest the weight of wheat to be equal to the weight of > >>> native) - malefic sun > >>>> > >>>> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper > >>> plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like > > recitation > >>> of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) > >>>> > >>>> Some more remedies, i observed people pursuing for malefic sun > >>>> > >>>> prior to commencement of any work / meeting, eat a piece > >>> of "Mishri" (I think, it is lal kitab's totka) > >>>> > >>>> In the sunday evening (around sun set), offering roti (baked on > >>> fire) cooked from left out flour to an sitting OX (one will seldom > >>> find an Ox sitting around sunset time) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> After every "victory" you have more enemies. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> panditarjun2004@ > >>>>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:24:04 -0000 > >>>>> > >>>>> new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN > >>>>> > >>>>> dear prafullaji > >>>>> > >>>>> as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING > > MEMBERS > >>>>> discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we > >>> mean > >>>>> remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, > > that > >>>>> particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with > >>>>> which the native stands benefited. > >>>>> > >>>>> so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. > >>> when > >>>>> sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in > >>>>> conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and > >>>>> ketu, we find negative results. > >>>>> > >>>>> following are the general remedies which can be followed for any > >>>>> type of sun related problems: > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > >>>>> 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > >>>>> 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven > >>> horses > >>>>> and offering it a red flower daily. > >>>>> 4. fasting on sundays. > >>>>> 5. donate wheat grains. > >>>>> 6. donate food to blind people. > >>>>> 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > >>>>> 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > >>>>> 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and > > symbol. > >>>>> > >>>>> members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the > >>> reasoning > >>>>> or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my > >>>>> understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects > > and > >>>>> hence can be done as an upay for sun. > >>>>> > >>>>> this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all > >>>>> remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members > > are > >>>>> free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw > > more > >>>>> light. > >>>>> > >>>>> with best wishes > >>>>> pandit arjun > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to > >>> structure > >>>>> this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary > > remedies, > >>>>> then for various curses etc) and then each member may share > > their > >>>>> experiences / various remedies. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>> > >>>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> panditarjun2004@ > >>>>>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> dear friends > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to > >>>>>>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will > > supply > >>>>>>> facts, references and past results with various people from > >>> which > >>>>>>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to > > discuss > >>>>> one > >>>>>>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we > >>>>>>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution > >>> this > >>>>>>> group would have ever got. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> with best wishes > >>>>>>> pandit arjun > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang > >>> <jyotish@> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Very well said. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > >>>>> remedies > >>>>>>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar > > Mantra > >>>>> is > >>>>>>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and > >>> fasting > >>>>>>> system for shani / ketu. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary > >>>>>>> factor. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective > > for > >>>>>>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question > > started > >>>>>>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > >>>>> required (I > >>>>>>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already > >>> fixed > >>>>>>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > >>>>> transit / > >>>>>>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a > > groan. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> panditarjun2004@ > >>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> dear friends > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that > > jells > >>>>>>> well > >>>>>>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the > >>>>>>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, > >>>>>>>>> periodically in all groups. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan > >>> for > >>>>>>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement > > that > >>>>>>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed > > by > >>>>> ALL > >>>>>>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL > >>> religions. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > >>>>> religions > >>>>>>> DO > >>>>>>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of > > a > >>>>>>> person > >>>>>>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all > > religions, > >>>>>>> these > >>>>>>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as > >>>>>>> devotees > >>>>>>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > >>>>>>> prafulla > >>>>>>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can > > furnsih > >>>>>>> both > >>>>>>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains > >>>>>>> along > >>>>>>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains > > which > >>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > >>>>>>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, > >>>>>>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow > > remedies > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > >>>>>>> chartered > >>>>>>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the > > law > >>>>>>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > >>>>> PRESENT > >>>>>>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately > > when > >>>>>>> comes > >>>>>>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are > > not > >>>>>>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from > >>>>>>> orient > >>>>>>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the > > present > >>>>>>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and > > ratinale > >>>>> is > >>>>>>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by > > any > >>>>>>>>> religious person. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > >>>>>>> expereinces > >>>>>>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. > >>> unfortunately > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions > > and > >>>>>>> try > >>>>>>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not > >>>>> get > >>>>>>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > >>>>>>> similarly > >>>>>>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results > > and > >>>>>>> hence > >>>>>>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the > > best > >>>>>>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to > >>>>>>> alcohol > >>>>>>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt > >>> get > >>>>>>> it. > >>>>>>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite > > his > >>>>>>> being > >>>>>>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and > >>>>>>> start > >>>>>>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy > >>> and > >>>>>>> has > >>>>>>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > >>>>> ancestors, > >>>>>>> he > >>>>>>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > >>>>>>> previous > >>>>>>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins > >>>>> which > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations > > and > >>>>> are > >>>>>>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal > >>>>>>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, > >>> so > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular > >>>>> remedy > >>>>>>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many > >>>>> people > >>>>>>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > >>>>>>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he > >>> cannot > >>>>>>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved > >>>>> best > >>>>>>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> with best wishes > >>>>>>>>> pandit arjun > >>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang > >>>>> <jyotish@> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra > >>> by > >>>>>>> any > >>>>>>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and > >>> we > >>>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 > > tantra > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sir, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what > >>> Your > >>>>>>>>>>> goodself has mentioned. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if > >>>>> done > >>>>>>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > >>>>>>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over > > last > >>>>>>>>>>> 2 decades. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in > >>> horoscope, > >>>>>>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with > >>>>> own > >>>>>>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the > > superiors > >>>>>>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > >>>>>>> regularly) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the > >>>>> house. > >>>>>>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > >>>>>>> members > >>>>>>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > >>>>> longlife > >>>>>>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after > > practise) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, > >>>>>>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > >>>>>>> indirectly. > >>>>>>>>>>> Thank You. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G > > B > >>>>>>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla > >>>>>>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM > >>>>> between > >>>>>>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for > >>>>> diff > >>>>>>>>>>> planets > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana > > gives > >>>>>>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > >>>>>>>>> diorders. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also > > help > >>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> many > >>>>>>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > >>>>>>> respirotary > >>>>>>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > >>>>> religious > >>>>>>>>> works > >>>>>>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > >>>>>>>>> prescribed, > >>>>>>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > >>>>>>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew > >>> them > >>>>>>> so > >>>>>>>>> did > >>>>>>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > >>>>> systems > >>>>>>>>> to get > >>>>>>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try > > it > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too > >>>>> who > >>>>>>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system > > do > >>>>> try > >>>>>>>>> whole > >>>>>>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural > > as > >>>>>>>>> breathing. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know > >>>>> muslims > >>>>>>>>> who > >>>>>>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there > > was > >>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can > > take > >>> a > >>>>>>>>> look in > >>>>>>>>>>> archives. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > Dear > >>>>>>> Shri > >>>>>>>>>>> Kumar ji > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to > > me): > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native > > for > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > >>>>>>>>> strengtht to > >>>>>>>>>>> find realistic solutions > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any > >>> role, > >>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>>> any. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > >>>>> possible, > >>>>>>>>> must > >>>>>>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > >>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > >>>>>>> authentic > >>>>>>>>>>> remedies > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored > > the > >>>>>>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of > >>> the > >>>>>>>>> planet. > >>>>>>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic > > shani) - > >>>>>>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit > >>>>> more > >>>>>>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment > >>>>> little > >>>>>>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This > > may > >>>>>>> tone > >>>>>>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in > > coping > >>>>> up > >>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>>> challenges. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > >>>>> and > >>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > >>> 23/7 - > >>>>> 4 > >>>>>>>>> tantra > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r > >>>>>>>>> offshoots > >>>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, > > evil > >>>>>>>>> design > >>>>>>>>>>> or black > >>>>>>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and > >>>>> helped > >>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to > >>>>> watch > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> rise of > >>>>>>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions > >>>>> have > >>>>>>>>> very > >>>>>>>>>>> intense > >>>>>>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > >>>>>>> tantras > >>>>>>>>> (do > >>>>>>>>>>> not mix > >>>>>>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > >>>>> it, > >>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>> we star in > >>>>>>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > >>>>>>>>> 23/27 -2 > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies > > r > >>>>> not > >>>>>>>>>>> bbeong done or > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, > > hen > >>>>> or > >>>>>>>>> child > >>>>>>>>>>> or huam > >>>>>>>>>>>> > so > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > >>>>>>> excessive > >>>>>>>>>>> balis then > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear > > if > >>>>>>>>> there > >>>>>>>>>>> was no > >>>>>>>>>>>> > rain or > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin > > of > >>>>>>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific > >>>>>>>>> religion, > >>>>>>>>>>> then why > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, > >>> suggesting > >>>>>>>>>>> something which > >>>>>>>>>>>> > is > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > >>>>>>> religion > >>>>>>>>>>> etc). > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>>>> produce > >>>>>>>>> it, > >>>>>>>>>>> and we star > >>>>>>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying > >>>>> with > >>>>>>>>> more > >>>>>>>>>>> food for > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > thought. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am > >>>>> sorry > >>>>>>>>> dear > >>>>>>>>>>> tolerant > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > >>>>>>>>> religious/non- > >>>>>>>>>>> ritual > >>>>>>>>>>>> > type > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly > > fail > >>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> notice the > >>>>>>>>>>>> > strength > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and > > submissive > >>>>>>>>> mother > >>>>>>>>>>> to do her > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father > >>>>>>>>> scientist > >>>>>>>>>>> manager > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in > > intellectual > >>>>>>>>>>> scriptures such as > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very > >>>>> intensively > >>>>>>>>>>> tuning into > >>>>>>>>>>>> > that > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard- core > >>>>>>>>> scientist > >>>>>>>>>>> and one of > >>>>>>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever > > known, > >>>>>>>>> europe > >>>>>>>>>>> trained and > >>>>>>>>>>>> > all > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the > >>>>> wall > >>>>>>>>> next > >>>>>>>>>>> to his bed > >>>>>>>>>>>> > for > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > >>>>>>>>> Ramakrishna > >>>>>>>>>>> in the next > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This > >>>>> man > >>>>>>>>> always > >>>>>>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never > >>>>>>> really > >>>>>>>>>>> stopped me > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being > >>>>> successful > >>>>>>>>> at a > >>>>>>>>>>> few things > >>>>>>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. > > There > >>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>> moment when > >>>>>>>>>>>> > I > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the > > Astrology > >>>>>>>>>>> miscellany quizzes > >>>>>>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly > >>>>> showed > >>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>> to him. He > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even > >>> today! > >>>>>>>>> One of > >>>>>>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>>>>>> > favourite > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > >>>>>>> Unfortunately > >>>>>>>>>>> most of us do > >>>>>>>>>>>> > not > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being > >>>>> irrelevant. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality > >>>>> has > >>>>>>>>> much > >>>>>>>>>>> more power > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is > >>>>>>>>> FLEXIBLE, > >>>>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>>> > respects > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades > >>>>> through > >>>>>>>>> each > >>>>>>>>>>> and every > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is > > the > >>>>>>>>> fullest > >>>>>>>>>>>> > expression of > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully > >>>>>>>>> enjoying > >>>>>>>>>>> those, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > never > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > RR > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > , > >>>>> srinivasa > >>>>>>>>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that > > wherever > >>>>>>>>>>> cosmological > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them > > God > >>>>>>>>> reveals > >>>>>>>>>>> himself > >>>>>>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity (Brahma,Vishnu > >>> and > >>>>>>>>> Shiva > >>>>>>>>>>> along with > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > >>>>> etc,and > >>>>>>>>>>> others like > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Shirdi > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > >>>>>>> Christ,Prophet > >>>>>>>>>>> Mohammed etc > >>>>>>>>>>>> > all > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods > >>> for > >>>>>>>>>>> bringing in the > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > >>>>> madeout > >>>>>>> by > >>>>>>>>>>> selfish > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to > > gain > >>>>>>> false > >>>>>>>>>>> sympathy and > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires > > (more > >>>>>>>>> personal > >>>>>>>>>>> or for a > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal > > good). > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci > > Code- > >>>>> The > >>>>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>>>>> (some) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > are > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > >>>>>>> theselves > >>>>>>>>>>> are not > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > bothering > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here > > the > >>>>>>>>>>> question is the > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > >>>>>>> creativeness > >>>>>>>>>>> and freedom > >>>>>>>>>>>> > of > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > >>>>>>> married > >>>>>>>>> 8 > >>>>>>>>>>> women and > >>>>>>>>>>>> > gave > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other > >>> wives,the > >>>>>>>>> truth > >>>>>>>>>>> was never > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world > > the > >>>>>>>>>>> importance of > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form > >>> of > >>>>>>>>>>> TheDivine even > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed > >>> as > >>>>>>>>> truth > >>>>>>>>>>> that jesus > >>>>>>>>>>>> > was > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take > > liberty > >>>>> (in > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> name of > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the > >>>>>>>>> truth.Some > >>>>>>>>>>> day we > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the > >>> branch > >>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>>>>> which we're > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish > >>>>>>>>> desires > >>>>>>>>>>> these > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of > >>>>>>>>> religious > >>>>>>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > >>>>>>> without > >>>>>>>>>>> warning.So > >>>>>>>>>>>> > please > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom > > of > >>>>>>>>>>> expression media > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed > >>> dangerous > >>>>>>>>>>> boundaries. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> regards > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Sri, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of > > your > >>>>>>>>> message > >>>>>>>>>>> but when > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the > >>>>>>> image > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>> a Kind and > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Wise > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our > > best > >>>>>>>>> interests > >>>>>>>>>>>> > (actually > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any > > parent!) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief > >>> have > >>>>>>>>> stood > >>>>>>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>>>> > religions > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, > >>> would > >>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> still be > >>>>>>>>>>>> > here? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity > >>>>> that > >>>>>>>>> has > >>>>>>>>>>> been > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > associated > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or > >>>>> another. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, > > though > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>> some > >>>>>>>>>>>> > difficulty! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> RR > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> , > >>>>>>> srinivasa > >>>>>>>>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based > >>> on > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> sermon > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > >>>>>>>>> particular > >>>>>>>>>>> mantra(when > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja > >>> done > >>>>>>>>> based > >>>>>>>>>>> on saatwik > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > >>>>>>> AdiSankaracharya > >>>>>>>>> or > >>>>>>>>>>> Other > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Revered > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > >>>>>>> prescribed > >>>>>>>>>>> mantra is > >>>>>>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > apt > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will > >>> lead > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>> proper > >>>>>>>>>>>> > person > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > at > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such > >>>>> that > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> native > >>>>>>>>>>>> > gets > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner > >>>>>>>>> fortitude > >>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>> > withstand > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without > >>>>>>> letting > >>>>>>>>>>> him loose > >>>>>>>>>>>> > his > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in > >>>>> our > >>>>>>>>> work > >>>>>>>>>>> spot if we > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a > > problem,he > >>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>>>>> solve himself > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (if > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or > > he > >>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>>>>> direct us to > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the > >>>>>>>>>>> authorised one). > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your > >>> observation. > >>>>>>> The > >>>>>>>>>>> quick remedy > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer > >>> too. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are > > for > >>>>>>>>> shani, > >>>>>>>>>>> mars, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > >>>>> example - > >>>>>>>>>>> jyotishi > >>>>>>>>>>>> > suggest > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make > >>> sense? > >>>>>>>>> and if > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> > native > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > is > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following > >>>>> krishna's > >>>>>>>>>>> pooja; then > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, > >>>>> then > >>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>> must also > >>>>>>>>>>>> > be > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / > >>> afliction > >>>>>>> etc > >>>>>>>>>>> can be > >>>>>>>>>>>> > remedied > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age > >>> (or > >>>>>>> say > >>>>>>>>>>> which dasha > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to > >>> invoke > >>>>>>>>>>> powers) require > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, > > not > >>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such > >>>>> rituals > >>>>>>>>> well. > >>>>>>>>>>> and if > >>>>>>>>>>>> > does > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the > >>> standard > >>>>>>>>> excuse > >>>>>>>>>>> for the > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is > > predefined > >>>>>>>>> vidhi of > >>>>>>>>>>> surya > >>>>>>>>>>>> > naman > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ( > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > >>>>>>>>> circumstances), > >>>>>>>>>>> offering > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > water > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja > >>>>> etc. > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>> do > >>>>>>>>>>> not think, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > the > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is > > going > >>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> help > >>>>>>>>>>> without > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - > > how > >>>>> do > >>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>>>> know, if the > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not > >>>>> required > >>>>>>>>> any > >>>>>>>>>>> more? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>>>>>>>> produce > >>>>>>>>>>> it, and we > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > star > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > > life!! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture > > at > >>>>>>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > >>>>>>>>> proffessor ,told > >>>>>>>>>>> us > >>>>>>>>>>>> > students > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > a > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > >>>>>>>>>>> remedies,without > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > knowledge, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> its > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many > >>> times, > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>>>>>> > statement > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results > >>>>>>>>> forthcoming > >>>>>>>>>>> or news > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong > > remedy > >>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>> suggested. Also > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > it > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the > > astrologer, > >>>>>>>>> when he > >>>>>>>>>>> suggests > >>>>>>>>>>>> > so > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is > >>>>> saying. > >>>>>>>>> For > >>>>>>>>>>> eg.for > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the > > native > >>>>> to > >>>>>>> do > >>>>>>>>>>> pooja of > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the > >>>>>>> shakti > >>>>>>>>>>> may be one, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > but > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas > > like > >>>>>>>>> sattwa, > >>>>>>>>>>> tamas or > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> rajas. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the > >>> native ? > >>>>>>>>> Also > >>>>>>>>>>> at times > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > stones > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the > >>>>>>> divine > >>>>>>>>>>> couloured > >>>>>>>>>>>> > rays > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case > >>>>>>>>> solidified > >>>>>>>>>>>> > state),also > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > >>>>> suggested > >>>>>>>>>>> wrongly. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > >>>>> Mahadasha > >>>>>>>>>>> lord, some for > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > >>>>>>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>>>>>> the stone > >>>>>>>>>>>> > at > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > >>>>>>> results > >>>>>>>>>>> also which > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > would > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. > > For > >>>>>>>>> ex.Libra > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > native.Will > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? > >>>>> Only > >>>>>>>>>>> experience > >>>>>>>>>>>> > from > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. > >>>>>>>>> Talking of > >>>>>>>>>>> mantras, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the > > rishi > >>>>>>>>> munis > >>>>>>>>>>> of ancient > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> times > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple > >>>>>>> recite > >>>>>>>>>>> the mantra > >>>>>>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the > >>>>> same > >>>>>>>>>>> mantra > >>>>>>>>>>>> > wrongly, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of > > course > >>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>> had the > >>>>>>>>>>>> > power > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > to > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and > >>> then, > >>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>>> what about > >>>>>>>>>>>> > us > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for > >>>>>>> long, > >>>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>>> the point > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > is, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > >>>>>>>>> remedies. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> , > >>>>>>> Prafulla > >>>>>>>>>>> Gang > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, > > so > >>>>>>>>> please > >>>>>>>>>>> do not > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > misread > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> me. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult > > combinations, > >>>>>>>>> curses > >>>>>>>>>>> etc in a > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > chart > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures > >>> (per > >>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>>>>> experience). > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Native > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some > >>>>> remedy > >>>>>>>>> (may > >>>>>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > alternative > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) > > knowingly > >>>>> or > >>>>>>>>>>> unknowlingly > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (for > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful > >>>>>>> remedy > >>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>> rahu / > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ketu; > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without > >>>>>>>>> thinking > >>>>>>>>>>> it as > >>>>>>>>>>>> > remedy > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > >>>>>>>>> recommendation > >>>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > remedies, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / > >>>>> daily > >>>>>>>>>>> routine etc. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Should > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > >>>>>>> Specifically - > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the > >>>>>>> curse / > >>>>>>>>>>> affliction > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> related > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more > > required? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at > >>>>>>>>> respective > >>>>>>>>>>> planetary > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> ages > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > >>>>> considered > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> be fully > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > done > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> or > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist > >>>>> like. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good > >>>>> practice > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; > > especially > >>>>>>>>> around > >>>>>>>>>>> mantras. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - > > must > >>>>> be > >>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>> line with > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> native's > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras > > etc > >>>>>>>>> involve > >>>>>>>>>>> lots of > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> rituals > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > >>>>>>> assessment > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>> its need > >>>>>>>>>>>> > is > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be > > dealt > >>>>> so > >>>>>>>>>>> casually by > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > fellow > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the > >>>>> list > >>>>>>>>>>> astrologers) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > and > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> to a > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for > >>>>>>> getting > >>>>>>>>>>> into > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, > > we > >>>>>>>>> produce > >>>>>>>>>>> it, and > >>>>>>>>>>>> > we > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> star > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear Manojji , But did You receive a car after marriage ? Or buy one ? My view apart from apparent map of the chart which discloses the general trend of life, for deeper sonography,affliction also has to be seen by gauging in which Nakshatra Rahu is placed .So I will not judge at the moment and say that Sun is very much afflicted, Even after conjunction the planets are not really close , from earth angle may be 2-3 degrees but in the sky the dimensions are to be seen by trignometry about I dont have much knowledge on this issue so cant talk with authority. Bhaskar. , Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000 wrote: > > Hi. > I have Sun in the first house (Taurus), and in my > opinion, it is severely afflicted by way of close > conjunction of Rahu. Since it is the Lord of the > fourth house, I have found that all the karakas of > fourth house were either denied or inordinately > delayed. I don't have any marital problem. My marriage > took place very very late though. I don't have any > child. > Thanks > manoj > --- bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: > > > SORRY IN NATAL CHART > > Sun + Mer + Moon in 8th house in Leo (and not 5th) > > > > > > , > > "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Following chart came up just three days back for > > study. > > > > > > DOB 27th Aug 1973 > > > TOB 6.00 pm > > > POB - Bikaner (Rajasthan) > > > > > > Current Mahadasha running Moon from 25.5.05 till > > 25.5.15 > > > Antar Mars from 23.3.06 till 26.10.06 > > > > > > > > > Ascendant- Capricorn > > > Jup in 1st house, > > > Mars in 4th > > > Saturn + Ketu in 6th > > > Sun + Mer + Moon in 5th > > > Venus in 9th > > > > > > Cuspal > > > Mars moves to 3rd > > > Saturn + Ketu to 5th > > > Venus to 8th > > > Jupiter to 12th > > > Sun + Moon + Mer to 7th > > > > > > Notes. > > > Though Sun is in its own house but close proximity > > to Moon who is > > > Lord of 7th and also > > > Mer becomes 9th Lord denoting father . All three > > together in 8th > > > showing affliction > > > In Cuspal also though Moon in own 7th house but > > Sun also as lord of > > > eight along with > > > Mercury lord of 9th as well as 6th. > > > > > > About native- > > > Is Chartered accountant earning Rs.1 Lakh salary > > per month in > > Bombay > > > in some company. > > > Was never able to satisfy father and always > > difference of opinion > > > existed. Finally after > > > finishing course of CA left father for greener > > pastures. Since last > > > many years > > > after marriage not staying with father. They both > > are in different > > > cities. Father lives in Calcutta. > > > Now problem with wife who is educated. Not happy > > marriage, though > > > will not seperate. > > > > > > I have not yet suggested remedy for Sun. > > > Most of the afflictions mentioned by Prafullji > > exist here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla > > Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > If you may share experiences with afflicted sun > > / malefic sun or > > > weak sun (in any chart if you can) , it will help > > us in > > understanding > > > the necessity of remedies for sun. > > > > > > > > I request other members as well, to share the > > experiences with > > > weak / afflicted or malefic sun. and the remedies > > pursued for it. > > > > > > > > Malefic sun is one of the major factor (often > > overlooked as well) > > > for disturbed marital life (seperation / divorce > > etc). If sun is > > > malefic / afflicted / weak, it has tendency to > > make the native > > > unethical (immoral will be little harsh statement > > - yes, he will be > > > less inclined for upholding moral values) with > > uncompromising egos > > > and overconfidence. Native often overlooks his > > dharma and if it has > > > connection with 7th house / 7th lord / venus etc, > > then can affect > > > married life adversely (subject to other > > overriding factors, dasha > > > etc). > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:38:27 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafullji, > > > > > > > > > > fasting on sundays should be broken (at sun > > set) and in that > > > evening > > > > > meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic > > sun) > > > > > > > > > > - Sir I did exactly this, broke fast before > > sunset and without > > > salt. > > > > > (The first Sunday of fast itself You will > > not believe I had > > the > > > > > tremendous effect. > > > > > In the evening after night fall Father > > called me and asked > > me > > > to > > > > > explain what i was doing > > > > > professionaly. The conversations which > > followed ensued in a > > > > > terrible verbal fight > > > > > between us, and i remember going to my > > room heart-broken and > > > > > commenting to my wife,- > > > > > what is the use of this fast, etc.- But > > after half an hour > > I > > > do > > > > > not know what came into me > > > > > I took all my papers and accounts to show > > him and the > > > samples of > > > > > electrical items which I was > > > > > selling at that time. He then asked me to > > join him under a > > > > > common roof where he already has > > > > > a flourishing business, which I did and > > continued with him > > for > > > > > next 5 years. Prior to this I was > > > > > seperated from my father in business for 3 > > years and were > > not > > > on > > > > > talking terms. > > > > > This was the effect of Sun Gods favour on > > first day itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making > > symbolic sun in copper > > > > > plate with red sandalwood and then offering > > prayers like > > > recitation > > > > > of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak > > sun) > > > > > > > > > > -My sister sent this plate to me with > > instructions of making the > > > > > Round Sun on the copper plate > > > > > with sandal wood paste (She sent this also, > > so that my doing > > > > > pooja ,would be ensured ) > > > > > and then chanting prayers to Surya Narayan , > > Aditya Hrdyam > > > Stotra, > > > > > Om Suryaye namah Japa Mala, etc. > > > > > She sent this from Calcutta on advise of > > some Pandit whom she > > > had > > > > > shown my Kundli. > > > > > > > > > > Though the above experiences are personal, yet > > I have mentioned > > so > > > > > readers can get first > > > > > person feel. > > > === message truncated === > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear Prafullji, But what about Jupiter ? I seem to forget its existence. In 5th with Moon does it deny children ? and aspect to 9th house which is also badhak sthana, and Lagna, does it provide providential grace to the native finally and keeps her from breaking though lord of 8th alongwith 5th ? Please let us know about the state of native. Regards, Bhaskar. , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Yes Sir, > > The native of the chart I gave does wear glasse and thick ones, I > remember. > 5th house natural house of Sun if afflicted person may face > problems in speculation. Yes will remember, good point. > > In chart You put up. Sun lord of Lagna, with Mercury a malefic and > with Mars Yogkaraka for this lagna, does not sound good for health > or money ,matters for native, again Rahu aspecting from 6th, are > sufferings very much great to the native, to make her run away from > her house ? But saturn seems to be saving grace here with Venus (Does > it ?) fopr certain matters related to 10th house as in own natural > house with Venus in own house, but again 3rd aspect to 12th worsens > matters. Please dont keep in suspense. What is the fate of the native. > again affliction to eyes noted here. > > bhaskar, > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > Interesting chart. > > > > generally speaking -for any chart - Sun, if afflicted / weak - > also indicates eye trouble, bones related troubles (frequent > fractures etc), disrespect to father (including spiritual gurus), > heart trouble). if associated with bitter enemy rahu, will divert > native from his dharma (with social immorality) and self > righteousness etc; > > > > in the example quoted - sun is afflicting both 7th house / 9th > house lord. > > > > Let me share another interesting chart -Female - leo lagna; > moon/jupiter in 5th house, mercury/ketu/mars/sun in 12th house karka; > venus/saturn in taurus; rahu in makara; I will write more about this > in next mail from sun's perspective. > > > > Sun is also karka for speculation; and if afflicted - native must > be careful from speculative activities. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:35:49 -0000 > > > > > > Re: REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN > > > > > > Following chart came up just three days back for study. > > > > > > DOB 27th Aug 1973 > > > TOB 6.00 pm > > > POB - Bikaner (Rajasthan) > > > > > > Current Mahadasha running Moon from 25.5.05 till 25.5.15 > > > Antar Mars from 23.3.06 till 26.10.06 > > > > > > > > > Ascendant- Capricorn > > > Jup in 1st house, > > > Mars in 4th > > > Saturn + Ketu in 6th > > > Sun + Mer + Moon in 5th > > > Venus in 9th > > > > > > Cuspal > > > Mars moves to 3rd > > > Saturn + Ketu to 5th > > > Venus to 8th > > > Jupiter to 12th > > > Sun + Moon + Mer to 7th > > > > > > Notes. > > > Though Sun is in its own house but close proximity to Moon who is > > > Lord of 7th and also > > > Mer becomes 9th Lord denoting father . All three together in 8th > > > showing affliction > > > In Cuspal also though Moon in own 7th house but Sun also as lord > of > > > eight along with > > > Mercury lord of 9th as well as 6th. > > > > > > About native- > > > Is Chartered accountant earning Rs.1 Lakh salary per month in > Bombay > > > in some company. > > > Was never able to satisfy father and always difference of opinion > > > existed. Finally after > > > finishing course of CA left father for greener pastures. Since > last > > > many years > > > after marriage not staying with father. They both are in different > > > cities. Father lives in Calcutta. > > > Now problem with wife who is educated. Not happy marriage, though > > > will not seperate. > > > > > > I have not yet suggested remedy for Sun. > > > Most of the afflictions mentioned by Prafullji exist here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Bhaskar ji > > >> > > >> If you may share experiences with afflicted sun / malefic sun or > > > weak sun (in any chart if you can) , it will help us in > understanding > > > the necessity of remedies for sun. > > >> > > >> I request other members as well, to share the experiences with > > > weak / afflicted or malefic sun. and the remedies pursued for it. > > >> > > >> Malefic sun is one of the major factor (often overlooked as well) > > > for disturbed marital life (seperation / divorce etc). If sun is > > > malefic / afflicted / weak, it has tendency to make the native > > > unethical (immoral will be little harsh statement - yes, he will > be > > > less inclined for upholding moral values) with uncompromising egos > > > and overconfidence. Native often overlooks his dharma and if it > has > > > connection with 7th house / 7th lord / venus etc, then can affect > > > married life adversely (subject to other overriding factors, dasha > > > etc). > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >> > > >> After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:38:27 -0000 > > >>> > > >>> REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN > > >>> > > >>> Dear Prafullji, > > >>> > > >>> fasting on sundays should be broken (at sun set) and in that > > > evening > > >>> meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic sun) > > >>> > > >>> - Sir I did exactly this, broke fast before sunset and without > > > salt. > > >>> (The first Sunday of fast itself You will not believe I had > the > > >>> tremendous effect. > > >>> In the evening after night fall Father called me and asked > me > > > to > > >>> explain what i was doing > > >>> professionaly. The conversations which followed ensued in a > > >>> terrible verbal fight > > >>> between us, and i remember going to my room heart-broken and > > >>> commenting to my wife,- > > >>> what is the use of this fast, etc.- But after half an hour I > > > do > > >>> not know what came into me > > >>> I took all my papers and accounts to show him and the > > > samples of > > >>> electrical items which I was > > >>> selling at that time. He then asked me to join him under a > > >>> common roof where he already has > > >>> a flourishing business, which I did and continued with him > for > > >>> next 5 years. Prior to this I was > > >>> seperated from my father in business for 3 years and were > not > > > on > > >>> talking terms. > > >>> This was the effect of Sun Gods favour on first day itself. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper > > >>> plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like > > > recitation > > >>> of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) > > >>> > > >>> -My sister sent this plate to me with instructions of making the > > >>> Round Sun on the copper plate > > >>> with sandal wood paste (She sent this also, so that my doing > > >>> pooja ,would be ensured ) > > >>> and then chanting prayers to Surya Narayan , Aditya Hrdyam > > > Stotra, > > >>> Om Suryaye namah Japa Mala, etc. > > >>> She sent this from Calcutta on advise of some Pandit whom she > > > had > > >>> shown my Kundli. > > >>> > > >>> Though the above experiences are personal, yet I have mentioned > so > > >>> readers can get first > > >>> person feel. > > >>> My ascendant is Leo. Sun is in 11th house (10th Bhava) in Gemini > > >>> along with Mercury. > > >>> Moon is in 5th house (4th Bhava) in Sagittarius . was born on > > >>> Purnima. > > >>> In Navamsha Sun is with Mercury in Capricorn in 6th house. > > >>> > > >>> Hope info helps, > > >>> > > >>> Bhaskar. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > >>>> > > >>>> In my experiences with few local astrologers - I observed > little > > >>> modifed remedies (from the detailed list you provided) > > >>>> > > >>>> fasting on sundays should be broken like rojas in islam (at sun > > >>> set) and in that evening meal - salt must not be consumed. > > > (malefic > > >>> sun) > > >>>> > > >>>> charities of red wheat / gud etc to kshatriya community person > > >>> (some suggest the weight of wheat to be equal to the weight of > > >>> native) - malefic sun > > >>>> > > >>>> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper > > >>> plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like > > > recitation > > >>> of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) > > >>>> > > >>>> Some more remedies, i observed people pursuing for malefic sun > > >>>> > > >>>> prior to commencement of any work / meeting, eat a piece > > >>> of "Mishri" (I think, it is lal kitab's totka) > > >>>> > > >>>> In the sunday evening (around sun set), offering roti (baked on > > >>> fire) cooked from left out flour to an sitting OX (one will > seldom > > >>> find an Ox sitting around sunset time) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>> > > >>>> After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> panditarjun2004@ > > >>>>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:24:04 -0000 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN > > >>>>> > > >>>>> dear prafullaji > > >>>>> > > >>>>> as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING > > > MEMBERS > > >>>>> discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we > > >>> mean > > >>>>> remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, > > > that > > >>>>> particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results > with > > >>>>> which the native stands benefited. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. > > >>> when > > >>>>> sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga > in > > >>>>> conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu > and > > >>>>> ketu, we find negative results. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> following are the general remedies which can be followed for > any > > >>>>> type of sun related problems: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > > >>>>> 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > > >>>>> 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven > > >>> horses > > >>>>> and offering it a red flower daily. > > >>>>> 4. fasting on sundays. > > >>>>> 5. donate wheat grains. > > >>>>> 6. donate food to blind people. > > >>>>> 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > > >>>>> 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > > >>>>> 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and > > > symbol. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the > > >>> reasoning > > >>>>> or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my > > >>>>> understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects > > > and > > >>>>> hence can be done as an upay for sun. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on > all > > >>>>> remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members > > > are > > >>>>> free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw > > > more > > >>>>> light. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> with best wishes > > >>>>> pandit arjun > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > > <jyotish@> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to > > >>> structure > > >>>>> this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary > > > remedies, > > >>>>> then for various curses etc) and then each member may share > > > their > > >>>>> experiences / various remedies. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a > groan. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> panditarjun2004@ > > >>>>>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> dear friends > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all > to > > >>>>>>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will > > > supply > > >>>>>>> facts, references and past results with various people from > > >>> which > > >>>>>>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to > > > discuss > > >>>>> one > > >>>>>>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if > we > > >>>>>>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution > > >>> this > > >>>>>>> group would have ever got. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> with best wishes > > >>>>>>> pandit arjun > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > >>> <jyotish@> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Very well said. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > > >>>>> remedies > > >>>>>>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar > > > Mantra > > >>>>> is > > >>>>>>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and > > >>> fasting > > >>>>>>> system for shani / ketu. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each > planetary > > >>>>>>> factor. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective > > > for > > >>>>>>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question > > > started > > >>>>>>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > > >>>>> required (I > > >>>>>>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already > > >>> fixed > > >>>>>>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > > >>>>> transit / > > >>>>>>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a > > > groan. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> panditarjun2004@ > > >>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 > tantra > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> dear friends > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that > > > jells > > >>>>>>> well > > >>>>>>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on > the > > >>>>>>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet > again, > > >>>>>>>>> periodically in all groups. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in > rajasthan > > >>> for > > >>>>>>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement > > > that > > >>>>>>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed > > > by > > >>>>> ALL > > >>>>>>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL > > >>> religions. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > > >>>>> religions > > >>>>>>> DO > > >>>>>>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain > of > > > a > > >>>>>>> person > > >>>>>>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all > > > religions, > > >>>>>>> these > > >>>>>>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis > as > > >>>>>>> devotees > > >>>>>>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > > >>>>>>> prafulla > > >>>>>>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can > > > furnsih > > >>>>>>> both > > >>>>>>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by > jains > > >>>>>>> along > > >>>>>>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains > > > which > > >>>>>>> are > > >>>>>>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > > >>>>>>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they > follow, > > >>>>>>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy > koran. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow > > > remedies > > >>>>>>> with > > >>>>>>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > > >>>>>>> chartered > > >>>>>>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the > > > law > > >>>>>>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > > >>>>> PRESENT > > >>>>>>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately > > > when > > >>>>>>> comes > > >>>>>>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are > > > not > > >>>>>>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references > from > > >>>>>>> orient > > >>>>>>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the > > > present > > >>>>>>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and > > > ratinale > > >>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by > > > any > > >>>>>>>>> religious person. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > > >>>>>>> expereinces > > >>>>>>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. > > >>> unfortunately > > >>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions > > > and > > >>>>>>> try > > >>>>>>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did > not > > >>>>> get > > >>>>>>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > > >>>>>>> similarly > > >>>>>>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results > > > and > > >>>>>>> hence > > >>>>>>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the > > > best > > >>>>>>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave > to > > >>>>>>> alcohol > > >>>>>>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he > didnt > > >>> get > > >>>>>>> it. > > >>>>>>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite > > > his > > >>>>>>> being > > >>>>>>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god > and > > >>>>>>> start > > >>>>>>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely > happy > > >>> and > > >>>>>>> has > > >>>>>>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > > >>>>> ancestors, > > >>>>>>> he > > >>>>>>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > > >>>>>>> previous > > >>>>>>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins > > >>>>> which > > >>>>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations > > > and > > >>>>> are > > >>>>>>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on > personal > > >>>>>>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific > remedy, > > >>> so > > >>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular > > >>>>> remedy > > >>>>>>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many > > >>>>> people > > >>>>>>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > > >>>>>>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he > > >>> cannot > > >>>>>>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it > proved > > >>>>> best > > >>>>>>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> with best wishes > > >>>>>>>>> pandit arjun > > >>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > >>>>> <jyotish@> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any > strotra > > >>> by > > >>>>>>> any > > >>>>>>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > and > > >>> we > > >>>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 > > > tantra > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sir, > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what > > >>> Your > > >>>>>>>>>>> goodself has mentioned. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection > if > > >>>>> done > > >>>>>>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > > >>>>>>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over > > > last > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2 decades. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in > > >>> horoscope, > > >>>>>>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations > with > > >>>>> own > > >>>>>>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the > > > superiors > > >>>>>>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > > >>>>>>> regularly) > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the > > >>>>> house. > > >>>>>>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > > >>>>>>> members > > >>>>>>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > > >>>>> longlife > > >>>>>>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after > > > practise) > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written > above, > > >>>>>>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > > >>>>>>> indirectly. > > >>>>>>>>>>> Thank You. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar > G > > > B > > >>>>>>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla > > >>>>>>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM > > >>>>> between > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies > for > > >>>>> diff > > >>>>>>>>>>> planets > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana > > > gives > > >>>>>>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > > >>>>>>>>> diorders. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also > > > help > > >>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>> many > > >>>>>>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > > >>>>>>> respirotary > > >>>>>>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > > >>>>> religious > > >>>>>>>>> works > > >>>>>>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > > >>>>>>>>> prescribed, > > >>>>>>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew > > >>> them > > >>>>>>> so > > >>>>>>>>> did > > >>>>>>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > > >>>>> systems > > >>>>>>>>> to get > > >>>>>>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can > try > > > it > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains > too > > >>>>> who > > >>>>>>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system > > > do > > >>>>> try > > >>>>>>>>> whole > > >>>>>>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural > > > as > > >>>>>>>>> breathing. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know > > >>>>> muslims > > >>>>>>>>> who > > >>>>>>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there > > > was > > >>>>> a > > >>>>>>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can > > > take > > >>> a > > >>>>>>>>> look in > > >>>>>>>>>>> archives. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > Dear > > >>>>>>> Shri > > >>>>>>>>>>> Kumar ji > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me > unknowingly. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to > > > me): > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native > > > for > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > > >>>>>>>>> strengtht to > > >>>>>>>>>>> find realistic solutions > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any > > >>> role, > > >>>>>>> if > > >>>>>>>>> any. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > > >>>>> possible, > > >>>>>>>>> must > > >>>>>>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic > lines) > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > > >>>>> suggesting > > >>>>>>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > > >>>>>>> authentic > > >>>>>>>>>>> remedies > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored > > > the > > >>>>>>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach > of > > >>> the > > >>>>>>>>> planet. > > >>>>>>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic > > > shani) - > > >>>>>>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be > bit > > >>>>> more > > >>>>>>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment > > >>>>> little > > >>>>>>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This > > > may > > >>>>>>> tone > > >>>>>>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in > > > coping > > >>>>> up > > >>>>>>>>> with > > >>>>>>>>>>> challenges. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > it, > > >>>>> and > > >>>>>>> we > > >>>>>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > > >>> 23/7 - > > >>>>> 4 > > >>>>>>>>> tantra > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as > they r > > >>>>>>>>> offshoots > > >>>>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, > > > evil > > >>>>>>>>> design > > >>>>>>>>>>> or black > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and > > >>>>> helped > > >>>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing > to > > >>>>> watch > > >>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>> rise of > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these > religions > > >>>>> have > > >>>>>>>>> very > > >>>>>>>>>>> intense > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > > >>>>>>> tantras > > >>>>>>>>> (do > > >>>>>>>>>>> not mix > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > produce > > >>>>> it, > > >>>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>>>> we star in > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies > [communication...] > > >>>>>>>>> 23/27 -2 > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of > remedies > > > r > > >>>>> not > > >>>>>>>>>>> bbeong done or > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, > > > hen > > >>>>> or > > >>>>>>>>> child > > >>>>>>>>>>> or huam > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > so > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > > >>>>>>> excessive > > >>>>>>>>>>> balis then > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in > fear > > > if > > >>>>>>>>> there > > >>>>>>>>>>> was no > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > rain or > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin > > > of > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any > specific > > >>>>>>>>> religion, > > >>>>>>>>>>> then why > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, > > >>> suggesting > > >>>>>>>>>>> something which > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > is > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > > >>>>>>> religion > > >>>>>>>>>>> etc). > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > >>>>> produce > > >>>>>>>>> it, > > >>>>>>>>>>> and we star > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > in > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies > [communication...] > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and > replying > > >>>>> with > > >>>>>>>>> more > > >>>>>>>>>>> food for > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > thought. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I > am > > >>>>> sorry > > >>>>>>>>> dear > > >>>>>>>>>>> tolerant > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > > >>>>>>>>> religious/non- > > >>>>>>>>>>> ritual > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > type > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly > > > fail > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>> notice the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > strength > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and > > > submissive > > >>>>>>>>> mother > > >>>>>>>>>>> to do her > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational > father > > >>>>>>>>> scientist > > >>>>>>>>>>> manager > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in > > > intellectual > > >>>>>>>>>>> scriptures such as > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very > > >>>>> intensively > > >>>>>>>>>>> tuning into > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > that > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard- > core > > >>>>>>>>> scientist > > >>>>>>>>>>> and one of > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever > > > known, > > >>>>>>>>> europe > > >>>>>>>>>>> trained and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > all > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on > the > > >>>>> wall > > >>>>>>>>> next > > >>>>>>>>>>> to his bed > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > for > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > > >>>>>>>>> Ramakrishna > > >>>>>>>>>>> in the next > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. > This > > >>>>> man > > >>>>>>>>> always > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but > never > > >>>>>>> really > > >>>>>>>>>>> stopped me > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being > > >>>>> successful > > >>>>>>>>> at a > > >>>>>>>>>>> few things > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > in > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. > > > There > > >>>>>>> was > > >>>>>>>>> a > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment when > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > I > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the > > > Astrology > > >>>>>>>>>>> miscellany quizzes > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > in > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly > > >>>>> showed > > >>>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>>> to him. He > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even > > >>> today! > > >>>>>>>>> One of > > >>>>>>>>>>> his > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > favourite > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > > >>>>>>> Unfortunately > > >>>>>>>>>>> most of us do > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > not > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being > > >>>>> irrelevant. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that > spirituality > > >>>>> has > > >>>>>>>>> much > > >>>>>>>>>>> more power > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it > is > > >>>>>>>>> FLEXIBLE, > > >>>>>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > respects > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades > > >>>>> through > > >>>>>>>>> each > > >>>>>>>>>>> and every > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is > > > the > > >>>>>>>>> fullest > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > expression of > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while > fully > > >>>>>>>>> enjoying > > >>>>>>>>>>> those, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > never > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > RR > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > , > > >>>>> srinivasa > > >>>>>>>>>>> murthy adavi > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that > > > wherever > > >>>>>>>>>>> cosmological > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them > > > God > > >>>>>>>>> reveals > > >>>>>>>>>>> himself > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > in > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity > (Brahma,Vishnu > > >>> and > > >>>>>>>>> Shiva > > >>>>>>>>>>> along with > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > > >>>>> etc,and > > >>>>>>>>>>> others like > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Shirdi > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > > >>>>>>> Christ,Prophet > > >>>>>>>>>>> Mohammed etc > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > all > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying > methods > > >>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>> bringing in the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > > >>>>> madeout > > >>>>>>> by > > >>>>>>>>>>> selfish > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to > > > gain > > >>>>>>> false > > >>>>>>>>>>> sympathy and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires > > > (more > > >>>>>>>>> personal > > >>>>>>>>>>> or for a > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal > > > good). > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci > > > Code- > > >>>>> The > > >>>>>>>>> people > > >>>>>>>>>>> (some) > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > are > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > > >>>>>>> theselves > > >>>>>>>>>>> are not > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > bothering > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here > > > the > > >>>>>>>>>>> question is the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > > >>>>>>> creativeness > > >>>>>>>>>>> and freedom > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > of > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > > >>>>>>> married > > >>>>>>>>> 8 > > >>>>>>>>>>> women and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > gave > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other > > >>> wives,the > > >>>>>>>>> truth > > >>>>>>>>>>> was never > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world > > > the > > >>>>>>>>>>> importance of > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate > form > > >>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>> TheDivine even > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was > believed > > >>> as > > >>>>>>>>> truth > > >>>>>>>>>>> that jesus > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > was > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take > > > liberty > > >>>>> (in > > >>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>> name of > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify > the > > >>>>>>>>> truth.Some > > >>>>>>>>>>> day we > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the > > >>> branch > > >>>>>>> on > > >>>>>>>>>>> which we're > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own > selfish > > >>>>>>>>> desires > > >>>>>>>>>>> these > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of > > >>>>>>>>> religious > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > > >>>>>>> without > > >>>>>>>>>>> warning.So > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > please > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of > freedom > > > of > > >>>>>>>>>>> expression media > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed > > >>> dangerous > > >>>>>>>>>>> boundaries. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> regards > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Sri, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of > > > your > > >>>>>>>>> message > > >>>>>>>>>>> but when > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get > the > > >>>>>>> image > > >>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>> a Kind and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Wise > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our > > > best > > >>>>>>>>> interests > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > (actually > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any > > > parent!) > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief > > >>> have > > >>>>>>>>> stood > > >>>>>>>>>>> all > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > religions > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, > > >>> would > > >>>>>>>>> they > > >>>>>>>>>>> still be > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > here? > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of > negativity > > >>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>> has > > >>>>>>>>>>> been > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > associated > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or > > >>>>> another. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, > > > though > > >>>>>>> with > > >>>>>>>>> some > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > difficulty! > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> RR > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> , > > >>>>>>> srinivasa > > >>>>>>>>>>> murthy adavi > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were > based > > >>> on > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>> sermon > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > > >>>>>>>>> particular > > >>>>>>>>>>> mantra(when > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja > > >>> done > > >>>>>>>>> based > > >>>>>>>>>>> on saatwik > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > > >>>>>>> AdiSankaracharya > > >>>>>>>>> or > > >>>>>>>>>>> Other > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Revered > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > > >>>>>>> prescribed > > >>>>>>>>>>> mantra is > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > apt > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will > > >>> lead > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>> a > > >>>>>>>>>>> proper > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > person > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > at > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual > such > > >>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>> native > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > gets > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops > inner > > >>>>>>>>> fortitude > > >>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > withstand > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) > without > > >>>>>>> letting > > >>>>>>>>>>> him loose > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > his > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that > in > > >>>>> our > > >>>>>>>>> work > > >>>>>>>>>>> spot if we > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a > > > problem,he > > >>>>>>> will > > >>>>>>>>>>> solve himself > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (if > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or > > > he > > >>>>>>> will > > >>>>>>>>>>> direct us to > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and > the > > >>>>>>>>>>> authorised one). > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your > > >>> observation. > > >>>>>>> The > > >>>>>>>>>>> quick remedy > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer > > >>> too. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are > > > for > > >>>>>>>>> shani, > > >>>>>>>>>>> mars, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > > >>>>> example - > > >>>>>>>>>>> jyotishi > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > suggest > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make > > >>> sense? > > >>>>>>>>> and if > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > native > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > is > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following > > >>>>> krishna's > > >>>>>>>>>>> pooja; then > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about > remedy, > > >>>>> then > > >>>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>>> must also > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > be > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / > > >>> afliction > > >>>>>>> etc > > >>>>>>>>>>> can be > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > remedied > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what > age > > >>> (or > > >>>>>>> say > > >>>>>>>>>>> which dasha > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to > > >>> invoke > > >>>>>>>>>>> powers) require > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, > > > not > > >>>>>>> all > > >>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>> people > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such > > >>>>> rituals > > >>>>>>>>> well. > > >>>>>>>>>>> and if > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > does > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the > > >>> standard > > >>>>>>>>> excuse > > >>>>>>>>>>> for the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is > > > predefined > > >>>>>>>>> vidhi of > > >>>>>>>>>>> surya > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > naman > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ( > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > > >>>>>>>>> circumstances), > > >>>>>>>>>>> offering > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > water > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular > pooja > > >>>>> etc. > > >>>>>>> I > > >>>>>>>>> do > > >>>>>>>>>>> not think, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is > > > going > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>> help > > >>>>>>>>>>> without > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - > > > how > > >>>>> do > > >>>>>>> we > > >>>>>>>>>>> know, if the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not > > >>>>> required > > >>>>>>>>> any > > >>>>>>>>>>> more? > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, > we > > >>>>>>>>> produce > > >>>>>>>>>>> it, and we > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > star > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > > > life!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one > lecture > > > at > > >>>>>>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > > >>>>>>>>> proffessor ,told > > >>>>>>>>>>> us > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > students > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > a > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > > >>>>>>>>>>> remedies,without > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > knowledge, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> its > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many > > >>> times, > > >>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>> this > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > statement > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results > > >>>>>>>>> forthcoming > > >>>>>>>>>>> or news > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong > > > remedy > > >>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>>>> suggested. Also > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > it > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the > > > astrologer, > > >>>>>>>>> when he > > >>>>>>>>>>> suggests > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > so > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is > > >>>>> saying. > > >>>>>>>>> For > > >>>>>>>>>>> eg.for > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the > > > native > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>>> do > > >>>>>>>>>>> pooja of > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though > the > > >>>>>>> shakti > > >>>>>>>>>>> may be one, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > but > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas > > > like > > >>>>>>>>> sattwa, > > >>>>>>>>>>> tamas or > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> rajas. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the > > >>> native ? > > >>>>>>>>> Also > > >>>>>>>>>>> at times > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > stones > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of > the > > >>>>>>> divine > > >>>>>>>>>>> couloured > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > rays > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this > case > > >>>>>>>>> solidified > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > state),also > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > > >>>>> suggested > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrongly. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > > >>>>> Mahadasha > > >>>>>>>>>>> lord, some for > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > > >>>>>>>>> suggesting > > >>>>>>>>>>> the stone > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > at > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > > >>>>>>> results > > >>>>>>>>>>> also which > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > would > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. > > > For > > >>>>>>>>> ex.Libra > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > native.Will > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the > native? > > >>>>> Only > > >>>>>>>>>>> experience > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > from > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the > knowledge. > > >>>>>>>>> Talking of > > >>>>>>>>>>> mantras, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the > > > rishi > > >>>>>>>>> munis > > >>>>>>>>>>> of ancient > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> times > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one > disciple > > >>>>>>> recite > > >>>>>>>>>>> the mantra > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > in > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite > the > > >>>>> same > > >>>>>>>>>>> mantra > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > wrongly, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of > > > course > > >>>>>>> they > > >>>>>>>>>>> had the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > power > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > to > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and > > >>> then, > > >>>>>>> but > > >>>>>>>>>>> what about > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > us > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue > for > > >>>>>>> long, > > >>>>>>>>> but > > >>>>>>>>>>> the point > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > is, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > > >>>>>>>>> remedies. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> , > > >>>>>>> Prafulla > > >>>>>>>>>>> Gang > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, > > > so > > >>>>>>>>> please > > >>>>>>>>>>> do not > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > misread > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> me. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult > > > combinations, > > >>>>>>>>> curses > > >>>>>>>>>>> etc in a > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > chart > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures > > >>> (per > > >>>>>>> his > > >>>>>>>>>>> experience). > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Native > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some > > >>>>> remedy > > >>>>>>>>> (may > > >>>>>>>>>>> be > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > alternative > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) > > > knowingly > > >>>>> or > > >>>>>>>>>>> unknowlingly > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (for > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is > powerful > > >>>>>>> remedy > > >>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>> rahu / > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ketu; > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine > without > > >>>>>>>>> thinking > > >>>>>>>>>>> it as > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > remedy > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > > >>>>>>>>> recommendation > > >>>>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > remedies, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past > events / > > >>>>> daily > > >>>>>>>>>>> routine etc. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Should > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > > >>>>>>> Specifically - > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, > the > > >>>>>>> curse / > > >>>>>>>>>>> affliction > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> related > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more > > > required? > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only > at > > >>>>>>>>> respective > > >>>>>>>>>>> planetary > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> ages > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > > >>>>> considered > > >>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>> be fully > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > done > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> or > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to > exist > > >>>>> like. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good > > >>>>> practice > > >>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>> suggesting > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; > > > especially > > >>>>>>>>> around > > >>>>>>>>>>> mantras. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - > > > must > > >>>>> be > > >>>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>>>> line with > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> native's > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras > > > etc > > >>>>>>>>> involve > > >>>>>>>>>>> lots of > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> rituals > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > > >>>>>>> assessment > > >>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>> its need > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > is > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be > > > dealt > > >>>>> so > > >>>>>>>>>>> casually by > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > fellow > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off > the > > >>>>> list > > >>>>>>>>>>> astrologers) > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> to a > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible > for > > >>>>>>> getting > > >>>>>>>>>>> into > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct > it, > > > we > > >>>>>>>>> produce > > >>>>>>>>>>> it, and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > we > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> star > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > > >>>>> life!! > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best > > > spam > > >>>>>>>>>>> protection around > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have > > > been > > >>>>>>>>> removed] > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Yes I did......within 10 months of my marriage I purchased a second-hand Toyota... Thanks --- bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Dear Manojji , > But did You receive a car after marriage ? Or buy > one ? > My view apart from apparent map of the chart which > discloses the > general trend of life, for deeper > sonography,affliction also has to > be seen by gauging in which Nakshatra Rahu is placed > .So I will not > judge at the moment and say that Sun is very much > afflicted, > Even after conjunction the planets are not really > close , from earth > angle may be 2-3 degrees but in the sky the > dimensions are to be seen > by trignometry about I dont have much knowledge on > this issue so cant > talk with authority. > Bhaskar. > > > > > , Manoj > Sharma > <manojsharma662000 wrote: > > > > Hi. > > I have Sun in the first house (Taurus), and in my > > opinion, it is severely afflicted by way of close > > conjunction of Rahu. Since it is the Lord of the > > fourth house, I have found that all the karakas of > > fourth house were either denied or inordinately > > delayed. I don't have any marital problem. My > marriage > > took place very very late though. I don't have any > > child. > > Thanks > > manoj > > --- bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish > > wrote: > > > > > SORRY IN NATAL CHART > > > Sun + Mer + Moon in 8th house in Leo (and not > 5th) > > > > > > > > > , > > > "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Following chart came up just three days back > for > > > study. > > > > > > > > DOB 27th Aug 1973 > > > > TOB 6.00 pm > > > > POB - Bikaner (Rajasthan) > > > > > > > > Current Mahadasha running Moon from 25.5.05 > till > > > 25.5.15 > > > > Antar Mars from 23.3.06 till 26.10.06 > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant- Capricorn > > > > Jup in 1st house, > > > > Mars in 4th > > > > Saturn + Ketu in 6th > > > > Sun + Mer + Moon in 5th > > > > Venus in 9th > > > > > > > > Cuspal > > > > Mars moves to 3rd > > > > Saturn + Ketu to 5th > > > > Venus to 8th > > > > Jupiter to 12th > > > > Sun + Moon + Mer to 7th > > > > > > > > Notes. > > > > Though Sun is in its own house but close > proximity > > > to Moon who is > > > > Lord of 7th and also > > > > Mer becomes 9th Lord denoting father . All > three > > > together in 8th > > > > showing affliction > > > > In Cuspal also though Moon in own 7th house > but > > > Sun also as lord of > > > > eight along with > > > > Mercury lord of 9th as well as 6th. > > > > > > > > About native- > > > > Is Chartered accountant earning Rs.1 Lakh > salary > > > per month in > > > Bombay > > > > in some company. > > > > Was never able to satisfy father and always > > > difference of opinion > > > > existed. Finally after > > > > finishing course of CA left father for greener > > > pastures. Since last > > > > many years > > > > after marriage not staying with father. They > both > > > are in different > > > > cities. Father lives in Calcutta. > > > > Now problem with wife who is educated. Not > happy > > > marriage, though > > > > will not seperate. > > > > > > > > I have not yet suggested remedy for Sun. > > > > Most of the afflictions mentioned by Prafullji > > > exist here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Prafulla > > > Gang <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > If you may share experiences with afflicted > sun > > > / malefic sun or > > > > weak sun (in any chart if you can) , it will > help > > > us in > > > understanding > > > > the necessity of remedies for sun. > > > > > > > > > > I request other members as well, to share > the > > > experiences with > > > > weak / afflicted or malefic sun. and the > remedies > > > pursued for it. > > > > > > > > > > Malefic sun is one of the major factor > (often > > > overlooked as well) > > > > for disturbed marital life (seperation / > divorce > > > etc). If sun is > > > > malefic / afflicted / weak, it has tendency to > > > make the native > > > > unethical (immoral will be little harsh > statement > > > - yes, he will be > > > > less inclined for upholding moral values) with > > > uncompromising egos > > > > and overconfidence. Native often overlooks his > > > dharma and if it has > > > > connection with 7th house / 7th lord / venus > etc, > > > then can affect > > > > married life adversely (subject to other > > > overriding factors, dasha > > > > etc). > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:38:27 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE > SUN > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafullji, > > > > > > > > > > > > fasting on sundays should be broken (at > sun > > > set) and in that > > > > evening > > > > > > meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic > > > sun) > > > > > > > > > > > > - Sir I did exactly this, broke fast > before > > > sunset and without > > > > salt. > > > > > > (The first Sunday of fast itself You > will > > > not believe I had > > > the > > > > > > tremendous effect. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear Manoj, Yes thats good .I had the intuition about it. Thats why I reserved my comments about Your Sun for this mail. Your Sun is not that afflicted as You think. So forget it. Since I am not into predictions no more.......... Regards, Bhaskar. , Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000 wrote: > > Yes I did......within 10 months of my marriage I > purchased a second-hand Toyota... > Thanks > --- bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: > > > Dear Manojji , > > But did You receive a car after marriage ? Or buy > > one ? > > My view apart from apparent map of the chart which > > discloses the > > general trend of life, for deeper > > sonography,affliction also has to > > be seen by gauging in which Nakshatra Rahu is placed > > .So I will not > > judge at the moment and say that Sun is very much > > afflicted, > > Even after conjunction the planets are not really > > close , from earth > > angle may be 2-3 degrees but in the sky the > > dimensions are to be seen > > by trignometry about I dont have much knowledge on > > this issue so cant > > talk with authority. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj > > Sharma > > <manojsharma662000@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi. > > > I have Sun in the first house (Taurus), and in my > > > opinion, it is severely afflicted by way of close > > > conjunction of Rahu. Since it is the Lord of the > > > fourth house, I have found that all the karakas of > > > fourth house were either denied or inordinately > > > delayed. I don't have any marital problem. My > > marriage > > > took place very very late though. I don't have any > > > child. > > > Thanks > > > manoj > > > --- bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > SORRY IN NATAL CHART > > > > Sun + Mer + Moon in 8th house in Leo (and not > > 5th) > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Following chart came up just three days back > > for > > > > study. > > > > > > > > > > DOB 27th Aug 1973 > > > > > TOB 6.00 pm > > > > > POB - Bikaner (Rajasthan) > > > > > > > > > > Current Mahadasha running Moon from 25.5.05 > > till > > > > 25.5.15 > > > > > Antar Mars from 23.3.06 till 26.10.06 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant- Capricorn > > > > > Jup in 1st house, > > > > > Mars in 4th > > > > > Saturn + Ketu in 6th > > > > > Sun + Mer + Moon in 5th > > > > > Venus in 9th > > > > > > > > > > Cuspal > > > > > Mars moves to 3rd > > > > > Saturn + Ketu to 5th > > > > > Venus to 8th > > > > > Jupiter to 12th > > > > > Sun + Moon + Mer to 7th > > > > > > > > > > Notes. > > > > > Though Sun is in its own house but close > > proximity > > > > to Moon who is > > > > > Lord of 7th and also > > > > > Mer becomes 9th Lord denoting father . All > > three > > > > together in 8th > > > > > showing affliction > > > > > In Cuspal also though Moon in own 7th house > > but > > > > Sun also as lord of > > > > > eight along with > > > > > Mercury lord of 9th as well as 6th. > > > > > > > > > > About native- > > > > > Is Chartered accountant earning Rs.1 Lakh > > salary > > > > per month in > > > > Bombay > > > > > in some company. > > > > > Was never able to satisfy father and always > > > > difference of opinion > > > > > existed. Finally after > > > > > finishing course of CA left father for greener > > > > pastures. Since last > > > > > many years > > > > > after marriage not staying with father. They > > both > > > > are in different > > > > > cities. Father lives in Calcutta. > > > > > Now problem with wife who is educated. Not > > happy > > > > marriage, though > > > > > will not seperate. > > > > > > > > > > I have not yet suggested remedy for Sun. > > > > > Most of the afflictions mentioned by Prafullji > > > > exist here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > Prafulla > > > > Gang <jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > If you may share experiences with afflicted > > sun > > > > / malefic sun or > > > > > weak sun (in any chart if you can) , it will > > help > > > > us in > > > > understanding > > > > > the necessity of remedies for sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > I request other members as well, to share > > the > > > > experiences with > > > > > weak / afflicted or malefic sun. and the > > remedies > > > > pursued for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Malefic sun is one of the major factor > > (often > > > > overlooked as well) > > > > > for disturbed marital life (seperation / > > divorce > > > > etc). If sun is > > > > > malefic / afflicted / weak, it has tendency to > > > > make the native > > > > > unethical (immoral will be little harsh > > statement > > > > - yes, he will be > > > > > less inclined for upholding moral values) with > > > > uncompromising egos > > > > > and overconfidence. Native often overlooks his > > > > dharma and if it has > > > > > connection with 7th house / 7th lord / venus > > etc, > > > > then can affect > > > > > married life adversely (subject to other > > > > overriding factors, dasha > > > > > etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:38:27 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE > > SUN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafullji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fasting on sundays should be broken (at > > sun > > > > set) and in that > > > > > evening > > > > > > > meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic > > > > sun) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Sir I did exactly this, broke fast > > before > > > > sunset and without > > > > > salt. > > > > > > > (The first Sunday of fast itself You > > will > > > > not believe I had > > > > the > > > > > > > tremendous effect. > > > === message truncated === > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 dear sir, though the discussion is on sun concerning father, I would request a clarification reg the person being successful in his career though the 10th lord venus is debilitated in 9th and also jup in capricorn but retro. Is it because of retro jupiter aspecting venus? with good wishes, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Dear Shri kumar ji Very intriguing mail indeed. regards / Prafulla Gang This notion is more clearly understood by asking "What do I know?." > > gbp_kumar > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:57:59 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN- 28/7 > > Prafulla, Baskar, > > I am sure there r tons of charts with Guru in 5th with sons and > daughters we can go back to the debate in Feb-mar 06, in this group > itself and see it. > > All it gives is Putra shoka that is a loos of a child [miss cariage, > abortion or even premature death] AND NOW A DAYS children who leave > parents in the cold in their hour of need.girls come here handy as it > talks of Putra shoka not putri shoka.or Santhana Shoka. > > Bgadaksthana also i have covered even Gyathri devi's views [AM SEPT > 2000] no use mixing jaimini and Parashari if we use badhakas in Parasari > then there is no Yogas at all and no yppgakarakas readers please give me > a table of Yogas after we remove the so called Badhakas it will be > interesting to find even one. > > ramans 300 Important Yoga is good to start looking at. some one will > have to rewrtie it saying as 300 Important AVAYOGAS. > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Dear Prafullji, > But what about Jupiter ? I seem to forget its existence. In 5th with > Moon does it deny children ? and aspect to 9th house which is also > badhak sthana, and Lagna, does it provide providential grace to the > native finally and keeps her from breaking though lord of 8th > alongwith 5th ? Please let us know about the state of native. > > Regards, > Bhaskar. > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > Yes Sir, > > > > The native of the chart I gave does wear glasse and thick ones, I > > remember. > > 5th house natural house of Sun if afflicted person may face > > problems in speculation. Yes will remember, good point. > > > > In chart You put up. Sun lord of Lagna, with Mercury a malefic and > > with Mars Yogkaraka for this lagna, does not sound good for health > > or money ,matters for native, again Rahu aspecting from 6th, are > > sufferings very much great to the native, to make her run away from > > her house ? But saturn seems to be saving grace here with Venus > (Does > > it ?) fopr certain matters related to 10th house as in own natural > > house with Venus in own house, but again 3rd aspect to 12th worsens > > matters. Please dont keep in suspense. What is the fate of the > native. > > again affliction to eyes noted here. > > > > bhaskar, > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > Interesting chart. > > > > > > generally speaking -for any chart - Sun, if afflicted / weak - > > also indicates eye trouble, bones related troubles (frequent > > fractures etc), disrespect to father (including spiritual gurus), > > heart trouble). if associated with bitter enemy rahu, will divert > > native from his dharma (with social immorality) and self > > righteousness etc; > > > > > > in the example quoted - sun is afflicting both 7th house / 9th > > house lord. > > > > > > Let me share another interesting chart -Female - leo lagna; > > moon/jupiter in 5th house, mercury/ketu/mars/sun in 12th house > karka; > > venus/saturn in taurus; rahu in makara; I will write more about > this > > in next mail from sun's perspective. > > > > > > Sun is also karka for speculation; and if afflicted - native must > > be careful from speculative activities. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:35:49 -0000 > > > > > > > > Re: REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN > > > > > > > > Following chart came up just three days back for study. > > > > > > > > DOB 27th Aug 1973 > > > > TOB 6.00 pm > > > > POB - Bikaner (Rajasthan) > > > > > > > > Current Mahadasha running Moon from 25.5.05 till 25.5.15 > > > > Antar Mars from 23.3.06 till 26.10.06 > > > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant- Capricorn > > > > Jup in 1st house, > > > > Mars in 4th > > > > Saturn + Ketu in 6th > > > > Sun + Mer + Moon in 5th > > > > Venus in 9th > > > > > > > > Cuspal > > > > Mars moves to 3rd > > > > Saturn + Ketu to 5th > > > > Venus to 8th > > > > Jupiter to 12th > > > > Sun + Moon + Mer to 7th > > > > > > > > Notes. > > > > Though Sun is in its own house but close proximity to Moon who > is > > > > Lord of 7th and also > > > > Mer becomes 9th Lord denoting father . All three together in 8th > > > > showing affliction > > > > In Cuspal also though Moon in own 7th house but Sun also as > lord > > of > > > > eight along with > > > > Mercury lord of 9th as well as 6th. > > > > > > > > About native- > > > > Is Chartered accountant earning Rs.1 Lakh salary per month in > > Bombay > > > > in some company. > > > > Was never able to satisfy father and always difference of > opinion > > > > existed. Finally after > > > > finishing course of CA left father for greener pastures. Since > > last > > > > many years > > > > after marriage not staying with father. They both are in > different > > > > cities. Father lives in Calcutta. > > > > Now problem with wife who is educated. Not happy marriage, > though > > > > will not seperate. > > > > > > > > I have not yet suggested remedy for Sun. > > > > Most of the afflictions mentioned by Prafullji exist here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Bhaskar ji > > > >> > > > >> If you may share experiences with afflicted sun / malefic sun > or > > > > weak sun (in any chart if you can) , it will help us in > > understanding > > > > the necessity of remedies for sun. > > > >> > > > >> I request other members as well, to share the experiences with > > > > weak / afflicted or malefic sun. and the remedies pursued for > it. > > > >> > > > >> Malefic sun is one of the major factor (often overlooked as > well) > > > > for disturbed marital life (seperation / divorce etc). If sun is > > > > malefic / afflicted / weak, it has tendency to make the native > > > > unethical (immoral will be little harsh statement - yes, he > will > > be > > > > less inclined for upholding moral values) with uncompromising > egos > > > > and overconfidence. Native often overlooks his dharma and if it > > has > > > > connection with 7th house / 7th lord / venus etc, then can > affect > > > > married life adversely (subject to other overriding factors, > dasha > > > > etc). > > > >> > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >> > > > >> After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > >>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:38:27 -0000 > > > >>> > > > >>> REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN > > > >>> > > > >>> Dear Prafullji, > > > >>> > > > >>> fasting on sundays should be broken (at sun set) and in that > > > > evening > > > >>> meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic sun) > > > >>> > > > >>> - Sir I did exactly this, broke fast before sunset and without > > > > salt. > > > >>> (The first Sunday of fast itself You will not believe I had > > the > > > >>> tremendous effect. > > > >>> In the evening after night fall Father called me and > asked > > me > > > > to > > > >>> explain what i was doing > > > >>> professionaly. The conversations which followed ensued in > a > > > >>> terrible verbal fight > > > >>> between us, and i remember going to my room heart-broken > and > > > >>> commenting to my wife,- > > > >>> what is the use of this fast, etc.- But after half an > hour I > > > > do > > > >>> not know what came into me > > > >>> I took all my papers and accounts to show him and the > > > > samples of > > > >>> electrical items which I was > > > >>> selling at that time. He then asked me to join him under > a > > > >>> common roof where he already has > > > >>> a flourishing business, which I did and continued with > him > > for > > > >>> next 5 years. Prior to this I was > > > >>> seperated from my father in business for 3 years and were > > not > > > > on > > > >>> talking terms. > > > >>> This was the effect of Sun Gods favour on first day > itself. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper > > > >>> plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like > > > > recitation > > > >>> of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) > > > >>> > > > >>> -My sister sent this plate to me with instructions of making > the > > > >>> Round Sun on the copper plate > > > >>> with sandal wood paste (She sent this also, so that my doing > > > >>> pooja ,would be ensured ) > > > >>> and then chanting prayers to Surya Narayan , Aditya Hrdyam > > > > Stotra, > > > >>> Om Suryaye namah Japa Mala, etc. > > > >>> She sent this from Calcutta on advise of some Pandit whom > she > > > > had > > > >>> shown my Kundli. > > > >>> > > > >>> Though the above experiences are personal, yet I have > mentioned > > so > > > >>> readers can get first > > > >>> person feel. > > > >>> My ascendant is Leo. Sun is in 11th house (10th Bhava) in > Gemini > > > >>> along with Mercury. > > > >>> Moon is in 5th house (4th Bhava) in Sagittarius . was born on > > > >>> Purnima. > > > >>> In Navamsha Sun is with Mercury in Capricorn in 6th house. > > > >>> > > > >>> Hope info helps, > > > >>> > > > >>> Bhaskar. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > >>>> > > > >>>> In my experiences with few local astrologers - I observed > > little > > > >>> modifed remedies (from the detailed list you provided) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> fasting on sundays should be broken like rojas in islam (at > sun > > > >>> set) and in that evening meal - salt must not be consumed. > > > > (malefic > > > >>> sun) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> charities of red wheat / gud etc to kshatriya community > person > > > >>> (some suggest the weight of wheat to be equal to the weight of > > > >>> native) - malefic sun > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in > copper > > > >>> plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like > > > > recitation > > > >>> of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Some more remedies, i observed people pursuing for malefic > sun > > > >>>> > > > >>>> prior to commencement of any work / meeting, eat a piece > > > >>> of "Mishri" (I think, it is lal kitab's totka) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> In the sunday evening (around sun set), offering roti (baked > on > > > >>> fire) cooked from left out flour to an sitting OX (one will > > seldom > > > >>> find an Ox sitting around sunset time) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>> > > > >>>> After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> panditarjun2004@ > > > >>>>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:24:04 -0000 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> dear prafullaji > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING > > > > MEMBERS > > > >>>>> discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when > we > > > >>> mean > > > >>>>> remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these > remedies, > > > > that > > > >>>>> particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results > > with > > > >>>>> which the native stands benefited. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for > SUN. > > > >>> when > > > >>>>> sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana > yoga > > in > > > >>>>> conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of > rahu > > and > > > >>>>> ketu, we find negative results. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> following are the general remedies which can be followed > for > > any > > > >>>>> type of sun related problems: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > > > >>>>> 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > > > >>>>> 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven > > > >>> horses > > > >>>>> and offering it a red flower daily. > > > >>>>> 4. fasting on sundays. > > > >>>>> 5. donate wheat grains. > > > >>>>> 6. donate food to blind people. > > > >>>>> 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > > > >>>>> 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > > > >>>>> 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and > > > > symbol. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the > > > >>> reasoning > > > >>>>> or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in > my > > > >>>>> understanding, none of the remedies have negative side > affects > > > > and > > > >>>>> hence can be done as an upay for sun. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on > > all > > > >>>>> remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and > members > > > > are > > > >>>>> free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw > > > > more > > > >>>>> light. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> with best wishes > > > >>>>> pandit arjun > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > > > <jyotish@> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to > > > >>> structure > > > >>>>> this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary > > > > remedies, > > > >>>>> then for various curses etc) and then each member may share > > > > their > > > >>>>> experiences / various remedies. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a > > groan. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> panditarjun2004@ > > > >>>>>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 > tantra > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> dear friends > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you > all > > to > > > >>>>>>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will > > > > supply > > > >>>>>>> facts, references and past results with various people > from > > > >>> which > > > >>>>>>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to > > > > discuss > > > >>>>> one > > > >>>>>>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact > if > > we > > > >>>>>>> indulge in such process, that would be the best > contribution > > > >>> this > > > >>>>>>> group would have ever got. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> with best wishes > > > >>>>>>> pandit arjun > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > > >>> <jyotish@> > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Very well said. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > > > >>>>> remedies > > > >>>>>>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar > > > > Mantra > > > >>>>> is > > > >>>>>>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and > > > >>> fasting > > > >>>>>>> system for shani / ketu. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each > > planetary > > > >>>>>>> factor. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be > effective > > > > for > > > >>>>>>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question > > > > started > > > >>>>>>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > > > >>>>> required (I > > > >>>>>>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has > already > > > >>> fixed > > > >>>>>>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > > > >>>>> transit / > > > >>>>>>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a > > > > groan. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> panditarjun2004@ > > > >>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 > > tantra > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> dear friends > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that > > > > jells > > > >>>>>>> well > > > >>>>>>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question > on > > the > > > >>>>>>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet > > again, > > > >>>>>>>>> periodically in all groups. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in > > rajasthan > > > >>> for > > > >>>>>>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic > statement > > > > that > > > >>>>>>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE > followed > > > > by > > > >>>>> ALL > > > >>>>>>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL > > > >>> religions. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > > > >>>>> religions > > > >>>>>>> DO > > > >>>>>>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or > pain > > of > > > > a > > > >>>>>>> person > > > >>>>>>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all > > > > religions, > > > >>>>>>> these > > > >>>>>>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily > basis > > as > > > >>>>>>> devotees > > > >>>>>>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain > like > > > >>>>>>> prafulla > > > >>>>>>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can > > > > furnsih > > > >>>>>>> both > > > >>>>>>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by > > jains > > > >>>>>>> along > > > >>>>>>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains > > > > which > > > >>>>>>> are > > > >>>>>>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave > some > > > >>>>>>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they > > follow, > > > >>>>>>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy > > koran. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow > > > > remedies > > > >>>>>>> with > > > >>>>>>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day > lawyers, > > > >>>>>>> chartered > > > >>>>>>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and > the > > > > law > > > >>>>>>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > > > >>>>> PRESENT > > > >>>>>>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately > > > > when > > > >>>>>>> comes > > > >>>>>>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures > are > > > > not > > > >>>>>>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references > > from > > > >>>>>>> orient > > > >>>>>>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the > > > > present > > > >>>>>>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and > > > > ratinale > > > >>>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy > by > > > > any > > > >>>>>>>>> religious person. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > > > >>>>>>> expereinces > > > >>>>>>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. > > > >>> unfortunately > > > >>>>>>> in > > > >>>>>>>>> public groups, people express their own views and > opinions > > > > and > > > >>>>>>> try > > > >>>>>>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer > did > > not > > > >>>>> get > > > >>>>>>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > > > >>>>>>> similarly > > > >>>>>>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive > results > > > > and > > > >>>>>>> hence > > > >>>>>>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is > the > > > > best > > > >>>>>>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a > slave > > to > > > >>>>>>> alcohol > > > >>>>>>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he > > didnt > > > >>> get > > > >>>>>>> it. > > > >>>>>>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems > despite > > > > his > > > >>>>>>> being > > > >>>>>>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in > god > > and > > > >>>>>>> start > > > >>>>>>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely > > happy > > > >>> and > > > >>>>>>> has > > > >>>>>>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > > > >>>>> ancestors, > > > >>>>>>> he > > > >>>>>>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in > his > > > >>>>>>> previous > > > >>>>>>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many > sins > > > >>>>> which > > > >>>>>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are > aberrations > > > > and > > > >>>>> are > > > >>>>>>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on > > personal > > > >>>>>>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific > > remedy, > > > >>> so > > > >>>>>>> that > > > >>>>>>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that > particular > > > >>>>> remedy > > > >>>>>>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how > many > > > >>>>> people > > > >>>>>>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > > > >>>>>>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he > > > >>> cannot > > > >>>>>>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it > > proved > > > >>>>> best > > > >>>>>>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> with best wishes > > > >>>>>>>>> pandit arjun > > > >>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>> <jyotish@> > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any > > strotra > > > >>> by > > > >>>>>>> any > > > >>>>>>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > it, > > and > > > >>> we > > > >>>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 > > > > tantra > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sir, > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate > what > > > >>> Your > > > >>>>>>>>>>> goodself has mentioned. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of > protection > > if > > > >>>>> done > > > >>>>>>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > > > >>>>>>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of > cases,over > > > > last > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2 decades. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in > > > >>> horoscope, > > > >>>>>>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations > > with > > > >>>>> own > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the > > > > superiors > > > >>>>>>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > > > >>>>>>> regularly) > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in > the > > > >>>>> house. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & > female > > > >>>>>>> members > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > > > >>>>> longlife > > > >>>>>>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after > > > > practise) > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written > > above, > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > > > >>>>>>> indirectly. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Thank You. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> , Prashant > Kumar > > G > > > > B > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in > AM > > > >>>>> between > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff > remedies > > for > > > >>>>> diff > > > >>>>>>>>>>> planets > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana > > > > gives > > > >>>>>>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover > cardiac > > > >>>>>>>>> diorders. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also > > > > help > > > >>>>> for > > > >>>>>>>>> many > > > >>>>>>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > > > >>>>>>> respirotary > > > >>>>>>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > > > >>>>> religious > > > >>>>>>>>> works > > > >>>>>>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it > is > > > >>>>>>>>> prescribed, > > > >>>>>>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u > knew > > > >>> them > > > >>>>>>> so > > > >>>>>>>>> did > > > >>>>>>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > > > >>>>> systems > > > >>>>>>>>> to get > > > >>>>>>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can > > try > > > > it > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also > Jains > > too > > > >>>>> who > > > >>>>>>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their > system > > > > do > > > >>>>> try > > > >>>>>>>>> whole > > > >>>>>>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as > natural > > > > as > > > >>>>>>>>> breathing. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I > know > > > >>>>> muslims > > > >>>>>>>>> who > > > >>>>>>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, > there > > > > was > > > >>>>> a > > > >>>>>>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can > > > > take > > > >>> a > > > >>>>>>>>> look in > > > >>>>>>>>>>> archives. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > Dear > > > >>>>>>> Shri > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Kumar ji > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me > > unknowingly. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity > to > > > > me): > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with > native > > > > for > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building > mental > > > >>>>>>>>> strengtht to > > > >>>>>>>>>>> find realistic solutions > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play > any > > > >>> role, > > > >>>>>>> if > > > >>>>>>>>> any. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > > > >>>>> possible, > > > >>>>>>>>> must > > > >>>>>>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic > > lines) > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > > > >>>>> suggesting > > > >>>>>>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > > > >>>>>>> authentic > > > >>>>>>>>>>> remedies > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have > explored > > > > the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural > approach > > of > > > >>> the > > > >>>>>>>>> planet. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic > > > > shani) - > > > >>>>>>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be > > bit > > > >>>>> more > > > >>>>>>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working > environment > > > >>>>> little > > > >>>>>>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. > This > > > > may > > > >>>>>>> tone > > > >>>>>>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in > > > > coping > > > >>>>> up > > > >>>>>>>>> with > > > >>>>>>>>>>> challenges. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > produce > > it, > > > >>>>> and > > > >>>>>>> we > > > >>>>>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > > > >>> 23/7 - > > > >>>>> 4 > > > >>>>>>>>> tantra > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as > > they r > > > >>>>>>>>> offshoots > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no > violence, > > > > evil > > > >>>>>>>>> design > > > >>>>>>>>>>> or black > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers > (and > > > >>>>> helped > > > >>>>>>>>> in > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting > thing > > to > > > >>>>> watch > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> rise of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these > > religions > > > >>>>> have > > > >>>>>>>>> very > > > >>>>>>>>>>> intense > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained > in > > > >>>>>>> tantras > > > >>>>>>>>> (do > > > >>>>>>>>>>> not mix > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > produce > > > >>>>> it, > > > >>>>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>> we star in > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies > > [communication...] > > > >>>>>>>>> 23/27 -2 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of > > remedies > > > > r > > > >>>>> not > > > >>>>>>>>>>> bbeong done or > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, > cow, > > > > hen > > > >>>>> or > > > >>>>>>>>> child > > > >>>>>>>>>>> or huam > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > so > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > > > >>>>>>> excessive > > > >>>>>>>>>>> balis then > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in > > fear > > > > if > > > >>>>>>>>> there > > > >>>>>>>>>>> was no > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > rain or > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to > origin > > > > of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any > > specific > > > >>>>>>>>> religion, > > > >>>>>>>>>>> then why > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, > > > >>> suggesting > > > >>>>>>>>>>> something which > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > is > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross > territory, > > > >>>>>>> religion > > > >>>>>>>>>>> etc). > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > > >>>>> produce > > > >>>>>>>>> it, > > > >>>>>>>>>>> and we star > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > in > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies > > [communication...] > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and > > replying > > > >>>>> with > > > >>>>>>>>> more > > > >>>>>>>>>>> food for > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > thought. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- > I > > am > > > >>>>> sorry > > > >>>>>>>>> dear > > > >>>>>>>>>>> tolerant > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather > non- > > > >>>>>>>>> religious/non- > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ritual > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > type > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly > > > > fail > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>> notice the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > strength > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and > > > > submissive > > > >>>>>>>>> mother > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to do her > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational > > father > > > >>>>>>>>> scientist > > > >>>>>>>>>>> manager > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in > > > > intellectual > > > >>>>>>>>>>> scriptures such as > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very > > > >>>>> intensively > > > >>>>>>>>>>> tuning into > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > that > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard- > > core > > > >>>>>>>>> scientist > > > >>>>>>>>>>> and one of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever > > > > known, > > > >>>>>>>>> europe > > > >>>>>>>>>>> trained and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > all > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on > > the > > > >>>>> wall > > > >>>>>>>>> next > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to his bed > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > for > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > > > >>>>>>>>> Ramakrishna > > > >>>>>>>>>>> in the next > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. > > This > > > >>>>> man > > > >>>>>>>>> always > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but > > never > > > >>>>>>> really > > > >>>>>>>>>>> stopped me > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being > > > >>>>> successful > > > >>>>>>>>> at a > > > >>>>>>>>>>> few things > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > in > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. > > > > There > > > >>>>>>> was > > > >>>>>>>>> a > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment when > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > I > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the > > > > Astrology > > > >>>>>>>>>>> miscellany quizzes > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > in > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I > proudly > > > >>>>> showed > > > >>>>>>>>> it > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to him. He > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even > > > >>> today! > > > >>>>>>>>> One of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> his > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > favourite > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like > success! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > > > >>>>>>> Unfortunately > > > >>>>>>>>>>> most of us do > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > not > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being > > > >>>>> irrelevant. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that > > spirituality > > > >>>>> has > > > >>>>>>>>> much > > > >>>>>>>>>>> more power > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because > it > > is > > > >>>>>>>>> FLEXIBLE, > > > >>>>>>>>>>> it > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > respects > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and > pervades > > > >>>>> through > > > >>>>>>>>> each > > > >>>>>>>>>>> and every > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that > is > > > > the > > > >>>>>>>>> fullest > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > expression of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while > > fully > > > >>>>>>>>> enjoying > > > >>>>>>>>>>> those, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > never > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > RR > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > , > > > >>>>> srinivasa > > > >>>>>>>>>>> murthy adavi > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that > > > > wherever > > > >>>>>>>>>>> cosmological > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right > them > > > > God > > > >>>>>>>>> reveals > > > >>>>>>>>>>> himself > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > in > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So > rightfrom > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity > > (Brahma,Vishnu > > > >>> and > > > >>>>>>>>> Shiva > > > >>>>>>>>>>> along with > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > respective > consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > > > >>>>> etc,and > > > >>>>>>>>>>> others like > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Shirdi > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > > > >>>>>>> Christ,Prophet > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Mohammed etc > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > all > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying > > methods > > > >>> for > > > >>>>>>>>>>> bringing in the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > > > >>>>> madeout > > > >>>>>>> by > > > >>>>>>>>>>> selfish > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to > > > > gain > > > >>>>>>> false > > > >>>>>>>>>>> sympathy and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires > > > > (more > > > >>>>>>>>> personal > > > >>>>>>>>>>> or for a > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal > > > > good). > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci > > > > Code- > > > >>>>> The > > > >>>>>>>>> people > > > >>>>>>>>>>> (some) > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > are > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries > rae > > > >>>>>>> theselves > > > >>>>>>>>>>> are not > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > bothering > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we > bother.Here > > > > the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> question is the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > > > >>>>>>> creativeness > > > >>>>>>>>>>> and freedom > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord > SriKrishna > > > >>>>>>> married > > > >>>>>>>>> 8 > > > >>>>>>>>>>> women and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > gave > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other > > > >>> wives,the > > > >>>>>>>>> truth > > > >>>>>>>>>>> was never > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the > world > > > > the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> importance of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate > > form > > > >>> of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> TheDivine even > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was > > believed > > > >>> as > > > >>>>>>>>> truth > > > >>>>>>>>>>> that jesus > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > was > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take > > > > liberty > > > >>>>> (in > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> name of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify > > the > > > >>>>>>>>> truth.Some > > > >>>>>>>>>>> day we > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the > > > >>> branch > > > >>>>>>> on > > > >>>>>>>>>>> which we're > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own > > selfish > > > >>>>>>>>> desires > > > >>>>>>>>>>> these > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining > of > > > >>>>>>>>> religious > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a > Tsunami > > > >>>>>>> without > > > >>>>>>>>>>> warning.So > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > please > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of > > freedom > > > > of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> expression media > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed > > > >>> dangerous > > > >>>>>>>>>>> boundaries. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> regards > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Sri, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of > > > > your > > > >>>>>>>>> message > > > >>>>>>>>>>> but when > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I > get > > the > > > >>>>>>> image > > > >>>>>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> a Kind and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Wise > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our > > > > best > > > >>>>>>>>> interests > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > (actually > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any > > > > parent!) > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal > belief > > > >>> have > > > >>>>>>>>> stood > > > >>>>>>>>>>> all > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > religions > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly > wrong, > > > >>> would > > > >>>>>>>>> they > > > >>>>>>>>>>> still be > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > here? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of > > negativity > > > >>>>> that > > > >>>>>>>>> has > > > >>>>>>>>>>> been > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > associated > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or > > > >>>>> another. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, > > > > though > > > >>>>>>> with > > > >>>>>>>>> some > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > difficulty! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> RR > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> , > > > >>>>>>> srinivasa > > > >>>>>>>>>>> murthy adavi > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were > > based > > > >>> on > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> sermon > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of > a > > > >>>>>>>>> particular > > > >>>>>>>>>>> mantra(when > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the > pooja > > > >>> done > > > >>>>>>>>> based > > > >>>>>>>>>>> on saatwik > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > > > >>>>>>> AdiSankaracharya > > > >>>>>>>>> or > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Other > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Revered > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > > > >>>>>>> prescribed > > > >>>>>>>>>>> mantra is > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > apt > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it > will > > > >>> lead > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>> a > > > >>>>>>>>>>> proper > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > person > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > at > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual > > such > > > >>>>> that > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> native > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > gets > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops > > inner > > > >>>>>>>>> fortitude > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > withstand > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) > > without > > > >>>>>>> letting > > > >>>>>>>>>>> him loose > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > his > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said > that > > in > > > >>>>> our > > > >>>>>>>>> work > > > >>>>>>>>>>> spot if we > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a > > > > problem,he > > > >>>>>>> will > > > >>>>>>>>>>> solve himself > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (if > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) > or > > > > he > > > >>>>>>> will > > > >>>>>>>>>>> direct us to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude > and > > the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> authorised one). > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your > > > >>> observation. > > > >>>>>>> The > > > >>>>>>>>>>> quick remedy > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for > astrologer > > > >>> too. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested > are > > > > for > > > >>>>>>>>> shani, > > > >>>>>>>>>>> mars, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > > > >>>>> example - > > > >>>>>>>>>>> jyotishi > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > suggest > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make > > > >>> sense? > > > >>>>>>>>> and if > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > native > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > is > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following > > > >>>>> krishna's > > > >>>>>>>>>>> pooja; then > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about > > remedy, > > > >>>>> then > > > >>>>>>>>> it > > > >>>>>>>>>>> must also > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > be > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / > > > >>> afliction > > > >>>>>>> etc > > > >>>>>>>>>>> can be > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > remedied > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what > > age > > > >>> (or > > > >>>>>>> say > > > >>>>>>>>>>> which dasha > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to > > > >>> invoke > > > >>>>>>>>>>> powers) require > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I > think, > > > > not > > > >>>>>>> all > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> people > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such > > > >>>>> rituals > > > >>>>>>>>> well. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> and if > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > does > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the > > > >>> standard > > > >>>>>>>>> excuse > > > >>>>>>>>>>> for the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is > > > > predefined > > > >>>>>>>>> vidhi of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> surya > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > naman > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ( > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > > > >>>>>>>>> circumstances), > > > >>>>>>>>>>> offering > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > water > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular > > pooja > > > >>>>> etc. > > > >>>>>>> I > > > >>>>>>>>> do > > > >>>>>>>>>>> not think, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is > > > > going > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>> help > > > >>>>>>>>>>> without > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic > issue - > > > > how > > > >>>>> do > > > >>>>>>> we > > > >>>>>>>>>>> know, if the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not > > > >>>>> required > > > >>>>>>>>> any > > > >>>>>>>>>>> more? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct > it, > > we > > > >>>>>>>>> produce > > > >>>>>>>>>>> it, and we > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > star > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > > > > life!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one > > lecture > > > > at > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > > > >>>>>>>>> proffessor ,told > > > >>>>>>>>>>> us > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > students > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > a > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > > > >>>>>>>>>>> remedies,without > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > knowledge, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> its > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many > > > >>> times, > > > >>>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>>> this > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > statement > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no > results > > > >>>>>>>>> forthcoming > > > >>>>>>>>>>> or news > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong > > > > remedy > > > >>>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>>>> suggested. Also > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > it > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the > > > > astrologer, > > > >>>>>>>>> when he > > > >>>>>>>>>>> suggests > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > so > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he > is > > > >>>>> saying. > > > >>>>>>>>> For > > > >>>>>>>>>>> eg.for > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the > > > > native > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>>>> do > > > >>>>>>>>>>> pooja of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another > Kaali,though > > the > > > >>>>>>> shakti > > > >>>>>>>>>>> may be one, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > but > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different > gunas > > > > like > > > >>>>>>>>> sattwa, > > > >>>>>>>>>>> tamas or > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> rajas. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the > > > >>> native ? > > > >>>>>>>>> Also > > > >>>>>>>>>>> at times > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > stones > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories > of > > the > > > >>>>>>> divine > > > >>>>>>>>>>> couloured > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > rays > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this > > case > > > >>>>>>>>> solidified > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > state),also > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > > > >>>>> suggested > > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrongly. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > > > >>>>> Mahadasha > > > >>>>>>>>>>> lord, some for > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. > While > > > >>>>>>>>> suggesting > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the stone > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > at > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the > diatmetric > > > >>>>>>> results > > > >>>>>>>>>>> also which > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > would > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant > for. > > > > For > > > >>>>>>>>> ex.Libra > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > native.Will > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the > > native? > > > >>>>> Only > > > >>>>>>>>>>> experience > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > from > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the > > knowledge. > > > >>>>>>>>> Talking of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> mantras, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the > > > > rishi > > > >>>>>>>>> munis > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of ancient > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> times > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one > > disciple > > > >>>>>>> recite > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the mantra > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > in > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to > recite > > the > > > >>>>> same > > > >>>>>>>>>>> mantra > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > wrongly, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of > > > > course > > > >>>>>>> they > > > >>>>>>>>>>> had the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > power > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there > and > > > >>> then, > > > >>>>>>> but > > > >>>>>>>>>>> what about > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > us > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can > continue > > for > > > >>>>>>> long, > > > >>>>>>>>> but > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the point > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > is, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in > suggesting > > > >>>>>>>>> remedies. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> --- In > , > > > >>>>>>> Prafulla > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Gang > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive > subject, > > > > so > > > >>>>>>>>> please > > > >>>>>>>>>>> do not > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > misread > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> me. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult > > > > combinations, > > > >>>>>>>>> curses > > > >>>>>>>>>>> etc in a > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > chart > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial > measures > > > >>> (per > > > >>>>>>> his > > > >>>>>>>>>>> experience). > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Native > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing > some > > > >>>>> remedy > > > >>>>>>>>> (may > > > >>>>>>>>>>> be > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > alternative > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) > > > > knowingly > > > >>>>> or > > > >>>>>>>>>>> unknowlingly > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (for > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is > > powerful > > > >>>>>>> remedy > > > >>>>>>>>> for > > > >>>>>>>>>>> rahu / > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ketu; > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine > > without > > > >>>>>>>>> thinking > > > >>>>>>>>>>> it as > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > remedy > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > > > >>>>>>>>> recommendation > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > remedies, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past > > events / > > > >>>>> daily > > > >>>>>>>>>>> routine etc. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Should > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > > > >>>>>>> Specifically - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, > > the > > > >>>>>>> curse / > > > >>>>>>>>>>> affliction > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> related > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more > > > > required? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable > only > > at > > > >>>>>>>>> respective > > > >>>>>>>>>>> planetary > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> ages > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > > > >>>>> considered > > > >>>>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>> be fully > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > done > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> or > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to > > exist > > > >>>>> like. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good > > > >>>>> practice > > > >>>>>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> suggesting > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; > > > > especially > > > >>>>>>>>> around > > > >>>>>>>>>>> mantras. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are > something - > > > > must > > > >>>>> be > > > >>>>>>>>> in > > > >>>>>>>>>>> line with > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> native's > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, > mantras > > > > etc > > > >>>>>>>>> involve > > > >>>>>>>>>>> lots of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> rituals > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > > > >>>>>>> assessment > > > >>>>>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> its need > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > is > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be > > > > dealt > > > >>>>> so > > > >>>>>>>>>>> casually by > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > fellow > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off > > the > > > >>>>> list > > > >>>>>>>>>>> astrologers) > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> to a > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible > > for > > > >>>>>>> getting > > > >>>>>>>>>>> into > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct > > it, > > > > we > > > >>>>>>>>> produce > > > >>>>>>>>>>> it, and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > we > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> star > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live > your > > > >>>>> life!! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best > > > > spam > > > >>>>>>>>>>> protection around > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have > > > > been > > > >>>>>>>>> removed] > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? Mail has the best > > > > spam > > > >>>>>>>>>>> protection around > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > >>>>>>>>> removed] > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prashantkumar G B > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are > free > > on > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > group > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > but > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable > by > > > >>> chat, > > > >>>>>>>>> mail > > > >>>>>>>>>>> or phone. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > 09840051861 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. > > Check > > > >>> out > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> handy > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > changes to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > . > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > >>>>> removed] > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Prashantkumar G B > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > > >>>>>>>>>>> group > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > but > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > off the group consultations are chargeable by > > chat, > > > >>>>> mail > > > >>>>>>> or > > > >>>>>>>>>>> phone. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > 09840051861 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC- > to- > > > > Phone > > > >>>>>>>>> calls. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Great > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > rates starting at > > > > > > > 1¢/min. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> See the all-new, redesigned .com. Check it out. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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