Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 dear prafullaji as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we mean remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with which the native stands benefited. so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. when sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and ketu, we find negative results. following are the general remedies which can be followed for any type of sun related problems: 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven horses and offering it a red flower daily. 4. fasting on sundays. 5. donate wheat grains. 6. donate food to blind people. 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol. members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the reasoning or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and hence can be done as an upay for sun. this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more light. with best wishes pandit arjun , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to structure this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their experiences / various remedies. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > > > > > > panditarjun2004 > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > > > > Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > > > dear friends > > > > as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to > > present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply > > facts, references and past results with various people from which > > you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss one > > remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we > > indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution this > > group would have ever got. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > >> > >> Very well said. > >> > >> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the remedies > > in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra is > > one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting > > system for shani / ketu. > >> > >> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary > > factor. > >> > >> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for > > each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started > > with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is required (I > > mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed > > the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / transit / > > dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> panditarjun2004@ > >>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>> > >>> dear friends > >>> > >>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells > > well > >>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the > >>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, > >>> periodically in all groups. > >>> > >>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for > >>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > >>> > >>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that > >>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by ALL > >>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions. > >>> > >>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other religions > > DO > >>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a > > person > >>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, > > these > >>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as > > devotees > >>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > > prafulla > >>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih > > both > >>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains > > along > >>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which > > are > >>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > >>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, > >>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. > >>> > >>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies > > with > >>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > > chartered > >>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law > >>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the PRESENT > >>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when > > comes > >>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not > >>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from > > orient > >>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present > >>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale is > >>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any > >>> religious person. > >>> > >>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > > expereinces > >>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately > > in > >>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and > > try > >>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not get > >>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > > similarly > >>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and > > hence > >>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best > >>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to > > alcohol > >>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get > > it. > >>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his > > being > >>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and > > start > >>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and > > has > >>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his ancestors, > > he > >>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > > previous > >>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins which > > is > >>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and are > >>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > >>> > >>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal > >>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so > > that > >>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular remedy > >>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many people > >>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > >>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot > >>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved best > >>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > >>> > >>> with best wishes > >>> pandit arjun > >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > >>>> > >>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by > > any > >>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > >>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > >>>>> > >>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>> > >>>>> Sir, > >>>>> > >>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your > >>>>> goodself has mentioned. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if done > >>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > >>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last > >>>>> 2 decades. > >>>>> > >>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope, > >>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with own > >>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors > >>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > > regularly) > >>>>> > >>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the house. > >>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > > members > >>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure longlife > >>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise) > >>>>> > >>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, > >>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > >>>>> > >>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > > indirectly. > >>>>> Thank You. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B > >>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Prafulla > >>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM between > >>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for diff > >>>>> planets > >>>>>> > >>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives > >>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > >>> diorders. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help for > >>> many > >>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > >>>>>> > >>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > > respirotary > >>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother religious > >>> works > >>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > >>> prescribed, > >>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > >>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them > > so > >>> did > >>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine systems > >>> to get > >>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too who > >>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do try > >>> whole > >>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as > >>> breathing. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know muslims > >>> who > >>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was a > >>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a > >>> look in > >>>>> archives. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>>>> wrote: Dear > > Shri > >>>>> Kumar ji > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): > >>>>>> > >>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for > > the > >>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > >>> strengtht to > >>>>> find realistic solutions > >>>>>> > >>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, > > if > >>> any. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as possible, > >>> must > >>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting > >>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > > authentic > >>>>> remedies > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the > >>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the > >>> planet. > >>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - > >>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit more > >>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment little > >>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may > > tone > >>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping up > >>> with > >>>>> challenges. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and > > we > >>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 - 4 > >>> tantra > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > Prafulla, > >>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r > >>> offshoots > >>>>> of > >>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil > >>> design > >>>>> or black > >>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped > >>> in > >>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch > >>> the > >>>>> rise of > >>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have > >>> very > >>>>> intense > >>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > > tantras > >>> (do > >>>>> not mix > >>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > >>> and > >>>>> we star in > >>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > >>> 23/27 -2 > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > Prafulla, > >>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not > >>>>> bbeong done or > >>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or > >>> child > >>>>> or huam > >>>>>> > so > >>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > > excessive > >>>>> balis then > >>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if > >>> there > >>>>> was no > >>>>>> > rain or > >>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of > >>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > >>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific > >>> religion, > >>>>> then why > >>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting > >>>>> something which > >>>>>> > is > >>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > > religion > >>>>> etc). > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > >>> it, > >>>>> and we star > >>>>>> > in > >>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > >>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with > >>> more > >>>>> food for > >>>>>> > > > thought. > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry > >>> dear > >>>>> tolerant > >>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > >>> religious/non- > >>>>> ritual > >>>>>> > type > >>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to > >>>>> notice the > >>>>>> > strength > >>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive > >>> mother > >>>>> to do her > >>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father > >>> scientist > >>>>> manager > >>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual > >>>>> scriptures such as > >>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively > >>>>> tuning into > >>>>>> > that > >>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core > >>> scientist > >>>>> and one of > >>>>>> > the > >>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, > >>> europe > >>>>> trained and > >>>>>> > all > >>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall > >>> next > >>>>> to his bed > >>>>>> > for > >>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > >>> Ramakrishna > >>>>> in the next > >>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man > >>> always > >>>>>> > pooh-poohed > >>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never > > really > >>>>> stopped me > >>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful > >>> at a > >>>>> few things > >>>>>> > in > >>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There > > was > >>> a > >>>>> moment when > >>>>>> > I > >>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology > >>>>> miscellany quizzes > >>>>>> > in > >>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed > >>> it > >>>>> to him. He > >>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! > >>> One of > >>>>> his > >>>>>> > favourite > >>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > > Unfortunately > >>>>> most of us do > >>>>>> > not > >>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant. > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has > >>> much > >>>>> more power > >>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is > >>> FLEXIBLE, > >>>>> it > >>>>>> > respects > >>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through > >>> each > >>>>> and every > >>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the > >>> fullest > >>>>>> > expression of > >>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully > >>> enjoying > >>>>> those, > >>>>>> > never > >>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > RR > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > , srinivasa > >>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > >>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > >>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever > >>>>> cosmological > >>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God > >>> reveals > >>>>> himself > >>>>>> > in > >>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > >>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and > >>> Shiva > >>>>> along with > >>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and > >>>>> others like > >>>>>> > Shirdi > >>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > > Christ,Prophet > >>>>> Mohammed etc > >>>>>> > all > >>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for > >>>>> bringing in the > >>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > >>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout > > by > >>>>> selfish > >>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain > > false > >>>>> sympathy and > >>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more > >>> personal > >>>>> or for a > >>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > >>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code- The > >>> people > >>>>> (some) > >>>>>> > are > >>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > > theselves > >>>>> are not > >>>>>> > > bothering > >>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the > >>>>> question is the > >>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > > creativeness > >>>>> and freedom > >>>>>> > of > >>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > > married > >>> 8 > >>>>> women and > >>>>>> > gave > >>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the > >>> truth > >>>>> was never > >>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the > >>>>> importance of > >>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of > >>>>> TheDivine even > >>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as > >>> truth > >>>>> that jesus > >>>>>> > was > >>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in > >>> the > >>>>> name of > >>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the > >>> truth.Some > >>>>> day we > >>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch > > on > >>>>> which we're > >>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish > >>> desires > >>>>> these > >>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of > >>> religious > >>>>>> > tenets.We'll > >>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > > without > >>>>> warning.So > >>>>>> > please > >>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of > >>>>> expression media > >>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous > >>>>> boundaries. > >>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>> > > >> regards > >>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>> > > >> srinivas > >>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > >>>>>> > > >> Sri, > >>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your > >>> message > >>>>> but when > >>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the > > image > >>> of > >>>>> a Kind and > >>>>>> > > > Wise > >>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best > >>> interests > >>>>>> > (actually > >>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > >>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have > >>> stood > >>>>> all > >>>>>> > religions > >>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would > >>> they > >>>>> still be > >>>>>> > here? > >>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that > >>> has > >>>>> been > >>>>>> > > > associated > >>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another. > >>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though > > with > >>> some > >>>>>> > difficulty! > >>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>> > > >> RR > >>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>> > > >> , > > srinivasa > >>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on > > the > >>>>> sermon > >>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > >>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > >>> particular > >>>>> mantra(when > >>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done > >>> based > >>>>> on saatwik > >>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > > AdiSankaracharya > >>> or > >>>>> Other > >>>>>> > Revered > >>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > > prescribed > >>>>> mantra is > >>>>>> > the > >>>>>> > > > apt > >>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead > > to > >>> a > >>>>> proper > >>>>>> > person > >>>>>> > > > at > >>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such that > >>> the > >>>>> native > >>>>>> > gets > >>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner > >>> fortitude > >>>>> to > >>>>>> > withstand > >>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without > > letting > >>>>> him loose > >>>>>> > his > >>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our > >>> work > >>>>> spot if we > >>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he > > will > >>>>> solve himself > >>>>>> > > > (if > >>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he > > will > >>>>> direct us to > >>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the > >>>>> authorised one). > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> regards > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. > > The > >>>>> quick remedy > >>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for > >>> shani, > >>>>> mars, > >>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > >>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - > >>>>> jyotishi > >>>>>> > suggest > >>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? > >>> and if > >>>>> the > >>>>>> > native > >>>>>> > > > is > >>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's > >>>>> pooja; then > >>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then > >>> it > >>>>> must also > >>>>>> > be > >>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction > > etc > >>>>> can be > >>>>>> > remedied > >>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or > > say > >>>>> which dasha > >>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke > >>>>> powers) require > >>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not > > all > >>> the > >>>>> people > >>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals > >>> well. > >>>>> and if > >>>>>> > does > >>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard > >>> excuse > >>>>> for the > >>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined > >>> vidhi of > >>>>> surya > >>>>>> > naman > >>>>>> > > > ( > >>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > >>> circumstances), > >>>>> offering > >>>>>> > > > water > >>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. > > I > >>> do > >>>>> not think, > >>>>>> > > > the > >>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to > >>> help > >>>>> without > >>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do > > we > >>>>> know, if the > >>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required > >>> any > >>>>> more? > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>> produce > >>>>> it, and we > >>>>>> > > > star > >>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > >>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > >>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > >>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at > >>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > >>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > >>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > >>> proffessor ,told > >>>>> us > >>>>>> > students > >>>>>> > > > a > >>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > >>>>> remedies,without > >>>>>> > > > knowledge, > >>>>>> > > >> its > >>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, > > of > >>> this > >>>>>> > statement > >>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results > >>> forthcoming > >>>>> or news > >>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is > >>>>> suggested. Also > >>>>>> > > > it > >>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, > >>> when he > >>>>> suggests > >>>>>> > so > >>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. > >>> For > >>>>> eg.for > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to > > do > >>>>> pooja of > >>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > >>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the > > shakti > >>>>> may be one, > >>>>>> > > > but > >>>>>> > > >> the > >>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like > >>> sattwa, > >>>>> tamas or > >>>>>> > > >> rajas. > >>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? > >>> Also > >>>>> at times > >>>>>> > > > stones > >>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the > > divine > >>>>> couloured > >>>>>> > rays > >>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case > >>> solidified > >>>>>> > state),also > >>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested > >>>>> wrongly. > >>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha > >>>>> lord, some for > >>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > >>> suggesting > >>>>> the stone > >>>>>> > at > >>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > > results > >>>>> also which > >>>>>> > > > would > >>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For > >>> ex.Libra > >>>>>> > > > native.Will > >>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only > >>>>> experience > >>>>>> > from > >>>>>> > > >> the > >>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. > >>> Talking of > >>>>> mantras, > >>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi > >>> munis > >>>>> of ancient > >>>>>> > > >> times > >>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple > > recite > >>>>> the mantra > >>>>>> > in > >>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same > >>>>> mantra > >>>>>> > wrongly, > >>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course > > they > >>>>> had the > >>>>>> > power > >>>>>> > > > to > >>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, > > but > >>>>> what about > >>>>>> > us > >>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for > > long, > >>> but > >>>>> the point > >>>>>> > > > is, > >>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > >>> remedies. > >>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > >>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>> , > > Prafulla > >>>>> Gang > >>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > >>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so > >>> please > >>>>> do not > >>>>>> > > > misread > >>>>>> > > >> me. > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, > >>> curses > >>>>> etc in a > >>>>>> > > > chart > >>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per > > his > >>>>> experience). > >>>>>> > > >> Native > >>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy > >>> (may > >>>>> be > >>>>>> > > > alternative > >>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or > >>>>> unknowlingly > >>>>>> > > > (for > >>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful > > remedy > >>> for > >>>>> rahu / > >>>>>> > > > ketu; > >>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without > >>> thinking > >>>>> it as > >>>>>> > remedy > >>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > >>> recommendation > >>>>> of > >>>>>> > > > remedies, > >>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily > >>>>> routine etc. > >>>>>> > > >> Should > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > > Specifically - > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the > > curse / > >>>>> affliction > >>>>>> > > >> related > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at > >>> respective > >>>>> planetary > >>>>>> > > >> ages > >>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered > >>> to > >>>>> be fully > >>>>>> > > > done > >>>>>> > > >> or > >>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice > >>> of > >>>>> suggesting > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially > >>> around > >>>>> mantras. > >>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be > >>> in > >>>>> line with > >>>>>> > > >> native's > >>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc > >>> involve > >>>>> lots of > >>>>>> > > >> rituals > >>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > > assessment > >>> of > >>>>> its need > >>>>>> > is > >>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so > >>>>> casually by > >>>>>> > > > fellow > >>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list > >>>>> astrologers) > >>>>>> > and > >>>>>> > > >> to a > >>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for > > getting > >>>>> into > >>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>> produce > >>>>> it, and > >>>>>> > we > >>>>>> > > >> star > >>>>>> > > >>>> in it. 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear PanditArjunji, Good first move made by You and suggested by Prafullji. I add what comes to mind immediately, also reciting Adita Hrdyam daily. Getting Surya pooja done at any Navgraha mandir on Sunday by Pandit with red cloth offered to Surya Bhagwan). behaving properly,respectful with elders in family. Bhaskar. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear prafullaji > > as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS > discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we mean > remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that > particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with > which the native stands benefited. > > so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. when > sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in > conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and > ketu, we find negative results. > > following are the general remedies which can be followed for any > type of sun related problems: > > 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven horses > and offering it a red flower daily. > 4. fasting on sundays. > 5. donate wheat grains. > 6. donate food to blind people. > 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol. > > members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the reasoning > or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my > understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and > hence can be done as an upay for sun. > > this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all > remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are > free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more > light. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to structure > this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, > then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their > experiences / various remedies. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004@ > > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > > > > > > Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to > > > present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply > > > facts, references and past results with various people from which > > > you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss > one > > > remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we > > > indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution this > > > group would have ever got. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > >> > > >> Very well said. > > >> > > >> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > remedies > > > in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra > is > > > one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting > > > system for shani / ketu. > > >> > > >> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary > > > factor. > > >> > > >> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for > > > each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started > > > with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > required (I > > > mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed > > > the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > transit / > > > dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >> > > >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> panditarjun2004@ > > >>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > > >>> > > >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > >>> > > >>> dear friends > > >>> > > >>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells > > > well > > >>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the > > >>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, > > >>> periodically in all groups. > > >>> > > >>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for > > >>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > > >>> > > >>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that > > >>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by > ALL > > >>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions. > > >>> > > >>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > religions > > > DO > > >>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a > > > person > > >>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, > > > these > > >>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as > > > devotees > > >>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > > > prafulla > > >>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih > > > both > > >>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains > > > along > > >>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which > > > are > > >>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > > >>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, > > >>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. > > >>> > > >>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies > > > with > > >>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > > > chartered > > >>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law > > >>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > PRESENT > > >>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when > > > comes > > >>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not > > >>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from > > > orient > > >>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present > > >>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale > is > > >>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any > > >>> religious person. > > >>> > > >>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > > > expereinces > > >>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately > > > in > > >>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and > > > try > > >>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not > get > > >>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > > > similarly > > >>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and > > > hence > > >>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best > > >>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to > > > alcohol > > >>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get > > > it. > > >>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his > > > being > > >>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and > > > start > > >>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and > > > has > > >>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > ancestors, > > > he > > >>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > > > previous > > >>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins > which > > > is > > >>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and > are > > >>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > > >>> > > >>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal > > >>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so > > > that > > >>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular > remedy > > >>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many > people > > >>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > > >>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot > > >>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved > best > > >>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > > >>> > > >>> with best wishes > > >>> pandit arjun > > >>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > > >>>> > > >>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by > > > any > > >>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > > >>>> > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>> > > >>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > > >>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sir, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your > > >>>>> goodself has mentioned. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if > done > > >>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > > >>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last > > >>>>> 2 decades. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope, > > >>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with > own > > >>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors > > >>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > > > regularly) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the > house. > > >>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > > > members > > >>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > longlife > > >>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, > > >>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > > > indirectly. > > >>>>> Thank You. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Regards, > > >>>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B > > >>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Prafulla > > >>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM > between > > >>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for > diff > > >>>>> planets > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives > > >>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > > >>> diorders. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help > for > > >>> many > > >>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > > > respirotary > > >>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > religious > > >>> works > > >>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > > >>> prescribed, > > >>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > > >>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them > > > so > > >>> did > > >>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > systems > > >>> to get > > >>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too > who > > >>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do > try > > >>> whole > > >>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as > > >>> breathing. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know > muslims > > >>> who > > >>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was > a > > >>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a > > >>> look in > > >>>>> archives. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > >>>>> wrote: Dear > > > Shri > > >>>>> Kumar ji > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for > > > the > > >>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > > >>> strengtht to > > >>>>> find realistic solutions > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, > > > if > > >>> any. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > possible, > > >>> must > > >>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > suggesting > > >>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > > > authentic > > >>>>> remedies > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the > > >>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the > > >>> planet. > > >>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - > > >>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit > more > > >>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment > little > > >>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may > > > tone > > >>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping > up > > >>> with > > >>>>> challenges. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > and > > > we > > >>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > > >>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 - > 4 > > >>> tantra > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Prafulla, > > >>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r > > >>> offshoots > > >>>>> of > > >>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil > > >>> design > > >>>>> or black > > >>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and > helped > > >>> in > > >>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to > watch > > >>> the > > >>>>> rise of > > >>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions > have > > >>> very > > >>>>> intense > > >>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > > > tantras > > >>> (do > > >>>>> not mix > > >>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > it, > > >>> and > > >>>>> we star in > > >>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > > >>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > > >>> 23/27 -2 > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Prafulla, > > >>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r > not > > >>>>> bbeong done or > > >>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen > or > > >>> child > > >>>>> or huam > > >>>>>> > so > > >>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > > > excessive > > >>>>> balis then > > >>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if > > >>> there > > >>>>> was no > > >>>>>> > rain or > > >>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of > > >>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > > >>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific > > >>> religion, > > >>>>> then why > > >>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting > > >>>>> something which > > >>>>>> > is > > >>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > > > religion > > >>>>> etc). > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > produce > > >>> it, > > >>>>> and we star > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > > >>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying > with > > >>> more > > >>>>> food for > > >>>>>> > > > thought. > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am > sorry > > >>> dear > > >>>>> tolerant > > >>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > > >>> religious/non- > > >>>>> ritual > > >>>>>> > type > > >>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail > to > > >>>>> notice the > > >>>>>> > strength > > >>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive > > >>> mother > > >>>>> to do her > > >>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father > > >>> scientist > > >>>>> manager > > >>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual > > >>>>> scriptures such as > > >>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very > intensively > > >>>>> tuning into > > >>>>>> > that > > >>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core > > >>> scientist > > >>>>> and one of > > >>>>>> > the > > >>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, > > >>> europe > > >>>>> trained and > > >>>>>> > all > > >>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the > wall > > >>> next > > >>>>> to his bed > > >>>>>> > for > > >>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > > >>> Ramakrishna > > >>>>> in the next > > >>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This > man > > >>> always > > >>>>>> > pooh-poohed > > >>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never > > > really > > >>>>> stopped me > > >>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being > successful > > >>> at a > > >>>>> few things > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There > > > was > > >>> a > > >>>>> moment when > > >>>>>> > I > > >>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology > > >>>>> miscellany quizzes > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly > showed > > >>> it > > >>>>> to him. He > > >>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! > > >>> One of > > >>>>> his > > >>>>>> > favourite > > >>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > > > Unfortunately > > >>>>> most of us do > > >>>>>> > not > > >>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being > irrelevant. > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality > has > > >>> much > > >>>>> more power > > >>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is > > >>> FLEXIBLE, > > >>>>> it > > >>>>>> > respects > > >>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades > through > > >>> each > > >>>>> and every > > >>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the > > >>> fullest > > >>>>>> > expression of > > >>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully > > >>> enjoying > > >>>>> those, > > >>>>>> > never > > >>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > RR > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > , > srinivasa > > >>>>> murthy adavi > > >>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > > >>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > > >>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever > > >>>>> cosmological > > >>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God > > >>> reveals > > >>>>> himself > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > > >>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and > > >>> Shiva > > >>>>> along with > > >>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > etc,and > > >>>>> others like > > >>>>>> > Shirdi > > >>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > > > Christ,Prophet > > >>>>> Mohammed etc > > >>>>>> > all > > >>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for > > >>>>> bringing in the > > >>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > > >>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > madeout > > > by > > >>>>> selfish > > >>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain > > > false > > >>>>> sympathy and > > >>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more > > >>> personal > > >>>>> or for a > > >>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > > >>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code- > The > > >>> people > > >>>>> (some) > > >>>>>> > are > > >>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > > > theselves > > >>>>> are not > > >>>>>> > > bothering > > >>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the > > >>>>> question is the > > >>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > > > creativeness > > >>>>> and freedom > > >>>>>> > of > > >>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > > > married > > >>> 8 > > >>>>> women and > > >>>>>> > gave > > >>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the > > >>> truth > > >>>>> was never > > >>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the > > >>>>> importance of > > >>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of > > >>>>> TheDivine even > > >>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as > > >>> truth > > >>>>> that jesus > > >>>>>> > was > > >>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty > (in > > >>> the > > >>>>> name of > > >>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the > > >>> truth.Some > > >>>>> day we > > >>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch > > > on > > >>>>> which we're > > >>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish > > >>> desires > > >>>>> these > > >>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of > > >>> religious > > >>>>>> > tenets.We'll > > >>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > > > without > > >>>>> warning.So > > >>>>>> > please > > >>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of > > >>>>> expression media > > >>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous > > >>>>> boundaries. > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> regards > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> srinivas > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >> Sri, > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your > > >>> message > > >>>>> but when > > >>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the > > > image > > >>> of > > >>>>> a Kind and > > >>>>>> > > > Wise > > >>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best > > >>> interests > > >>>>>> > (actually > > >>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have > > >>> stood > > >>>>> all > > >>>>>> > religions > > >>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would > > >>> they > > >>>>> still be > > >>>>>> > here? > > >>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity > that > > >>> has > > >>>>> been > > >>>>>> > > > associated > > >>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or > another. > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though > > > with > > >>> some > > >>>>>> > difficulty! > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> RR > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> , > > > srinivasa > > >>>>> murthy adavi > > >>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on > > > the > > >>>>> sermon > > >>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > > >>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > > >>> particular > > >>>>> mantra(when > > >>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done > > >>> based > > >>>>> on saatwik > > >>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > > > AdiSankaracharya > > >>> or > > >>>>> Other > > >>>>>> > Revered > > >>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > > > prescribed > > >>>>> mantra is > > >>>>>> > the > > >>>>>> > > > apt > > >>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead > > > to > > >>> a > > >>>>> proper > > >>>>>> > person > > >>>>>> > > > at > > >>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such > that > > >>> the > > >>>>> native > > >>>>>> > gets > > >>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner > > >>> fortitude > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>> > withstand > > >>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without > > > letting > > >>>>> him loose > > >>>>>> > his > > >>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in > our > > >>> work > > >>>>> spot if we > > >>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he > > > will > > >>>>> solve himself > > >>>>>> > > > (if > > >>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he > > > will > > >>>>> direct us to > > >>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the > > >>>>> authorised one). > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> regards > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. > > > The > > >>>>> quick remedy > > >>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for > > >>> shani, > > >>>>> mars, > > >>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > > >>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > example - > > >>>>> jyotishi > > >>>>>> > suggest > > >>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? > > >>> and if > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>> > native > > >>>>>> > > > is > > >>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following > krishna's > > >>>>> pooja; then > > >>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, > then > > >>> it > > >>>>> must also > > >>>>>> > be > > >>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction > > > etc > > >>>>> can be > > >>>>>> > remedied > > >>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or > > > say > > >>>>> which dasha > > >>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke > > >>>>> powers) require > > >>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not > > > all > > >>> the > > >>>>> people > > >>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such > rituals > > >>> well. > > >>>>> and if > > >>>>>> > does > > >>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard > > >>> excuse > > >>>>> for the > > >>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined > > >>> vidhi of > > >>>>> surya > > >>>>>> > naman > > >>>>>> > > > ( > > >>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > > >>> circumstances), > > >>>>> offering > > >>>>>> > > > water > > >>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja > etc. > > > I > > >>> do > > >>>>> not think, > > >>>>>> > > > the > > >>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going > to > > >>> help > > >>>>> without > > >>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how > do > > > we > > >>>>> know, if the > > >>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not > required > > >>> any > > >>>>> more? > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > >>> produce > > >>>>> it, and we > > >>>>>> > > > star > > >>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at > > >>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > > >>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > > >>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > > >>> proffessor ,told > > >>>>> us > > >>>>>> > students > > >>>>>> > > > a > > >>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > > >>>>> remedies,without > > >>>>>> > > > knowledge, > > >>>>>> > > >> its > > >>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, > > > of > > >>> this > > >>>>>> > statement > > >>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results > > >>> forthcoming > > >>>>> or news > > >>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy > is > > >>>>> suggested. Also > > >>>>>> > > > it > > >>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, > > >>> when he > > >>>>> suggests > > >>>>>> > so > > >>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is > saying. > > >>> For > > >>>>> eg.for > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native > to > > > do > > >>>>> pooja of > > >>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the > > > shakti > > >>>>> may be one, > > >>>>>> > > > but > > >>>>>> > > >> the > > >>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like > > >>> sattwa, > > >>>>> tamas or > > >>>>>> > > >> rajas. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? > > >>> Also > > >>>>> at times > > >>>>>> > > > stones > > >>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the > > > divine > > >>>>> couloured > > >>>>>> > rays > > >>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case > > >>> solidified > > >>>>>> > state),also > > >>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > suggested > > >>>>> wrongly. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > Mahadasha > > >>>>> lord, some for > > >>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > > >>> suggesting > > >>>>> the stone > > >>>>>> > at > > >>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > > > results > > >>>>> also which > > >>>>>> > > > would > > >>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For > > >>> ex.Libra > > >>>>>> > > > native.Will > > >>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? > Only > > >>>>> experience > > >>>>>> > from > > >>>>>> > > >> the > > >>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. > > >>> Talking of > > >>>>> mantras, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi > > >>> munis > > >>>>> of ancient > > >>>>>> > > >> times > > >>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple > > > recite > > >>>>> the mantra > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the > same > > >>>>> mantra > > >>>>>> > wrongly, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course > > > they > > >>>>> had the > > >>>>>> > power > > >>>>>> > > > to > > >>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, > > > but > > >>>>> what about > > >>>>>> > us > > >>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for > > > long, > > >>> but > > >>>>> the point > > >>>>>> > > > is, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > > >>> remedies. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> , > > > Prafulla > > >>>>> Gang > > >>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so > > >>> please > > >>>>> do not > > >>>>>> > > > misread > > >>>>>> > > >> me. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, > > >>> curses > > >>>>> etc in a > > >>>>>> > > > chart > > >>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per > > > his > > >>>>> experience). > > >>>>>> > > >> Native > > >>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some > remedy > > >>> (may > > >>>>> be > > >>>>>> > > > alternative > > >>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly > or > > >>>>> unknowlingly > > >>>>>> > > > (for > > >>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful > > > remedy > > >>> for > > >>>>> rahu / > > >>>>>> > > > ketu; > > >>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without > > >>> thinking > > >>>>> it as > > >>>>>> > remedy > > >>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > > >>> recommendation > > >>>>> of > > >>>>>> > > > remedies, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / > daily > > >>>>> routine etc. > > >>>>>> > > >> Should > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > > > Specifically - > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the > > > curse / > > >>>>> affliction > > >>>>>> > > >> related > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at > > >>> respective > > >>>>> planetary > > >>>>>> > > >> ages > > >>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > considered > > >>> to > > >>>>> be fully > > >>>>>> > > > done > > >>>>>> > > >> or > > >>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist > like. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good > practice > > >>> of > > >>>>> suggesting > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially > > >>> around > > >>>>> mantras. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must > be > > >>> in > > >>>>> line with > > >>>>>> > > >> native's > > >>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc > > >>> involve > > >>>>> lots of > > >>>>>> > > >> rituals > > >>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > > > assessment > > >>> of > > >>>>> its need > > >>>>>> > is > > >>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt > so > > >>>>> casually by > > >>>>>> > > > fellow > > >>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the > list > > >>>>> astrologers) > > >>>>>> > and > > >>>>>> > > >> to a > > >>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for > > > getting > > >>>>> into > > >>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > >>> produce > > >>>>> it, and > > >>>>>> > we > > >>>>>> > > >> star > > >>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > life!! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > >>>>> protection around > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been > > >>> removed] > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > >>>>> protection around > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been > > >>> removed] > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Prashantkumar G B > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > group > > >>>>>> > > but > > >>>>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, > > >>> mail > > >>>>> or phone. > > >>>>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > > >>>>>> > > 09840051861 > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out > > > the > > >>>>> handy > > >>>>>> > changes to > > >>>>>> > > . > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Prashantkumar G B > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > >>>>> group > > >>>>>> > but > > >>>>>> > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, > mail > > > or > > >>>>> phone. > > >>>>>> > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > > >>>>>> > 09840051861 > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone > > >>> calls. > > >>>>> Great > > >>>>>> > rates starting at 1¢/min. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear Arjunji, my two cents on surya remedies.... 1. daily recital of aditya hrudaya stotra 2. surya ashtottara (108 names of surya) 3. surya namaskar (this can be clubbed with aditya hrudayam) 4. just lighting lamps in front of surya in the navagraha mandir on sundays. 5. vedic mantras of surya regards sriganeshh , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear prafullaji > > as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS > discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we mean > remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that > particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with > which the native stands benefited. > > so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. when > sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in > conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and > ketu, we find negative results. > > following are the general remedies which can be followed for any > type of sun related problems: > > 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven horses > and offering it a red flower daily. > 4. fasting on sundays. > 5. donate wheat grains. > 6. donate food to blind people. > 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol. > > members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the reasoning > or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my > understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and > hence can be done as an upay for sun. > > this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all > remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are > free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more > light. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to structure > this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, > then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their > experiences / various remedies. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004@ > > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > > > > > > Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to > > > present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply > > > facts, references and past results with various people from which > > > you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss > one > > > remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we > > > indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution this > > > group would have ever got. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > >> > > >> Very well said. > > >> > > >> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > remedies > > > in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra > is > > > one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting > > > system for shani / ketu. > > >> > > >> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary > > > factor. > > >> > > >> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for > > > each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started > > > with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > required (I > > > mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed > > > the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > transit / > > > dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >> > > >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> panditarjun2004@ > > >>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > > >>> > > >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > >>> > > >>> dear friends > > >>> > > >>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells > > > well > > >>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the > > >>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, > > >>> periodically in all groups. > > >>> > > >>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for > > >>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > > >>> > > >>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that > > >>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by > ALL > > >>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions. > > >>> > > >>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > religions > > > DO > > >>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a > > > person > > >>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, > > > these > > >>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as > > > devotees > > >>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > > > prafulla > > >>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih > > > both > > >>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains > > > along > > >>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which > > > are > > >>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > > >>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, > > >>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. > > >>> > > >>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies > > > with > > >>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > > > chartered > > >>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law > > >>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > PRESENT > > >>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when > > > comes > > >>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not > > >>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from > > > orient > > >>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present > > >>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale > is > > >>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any > > >>> religious person. > > >>> > > >>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > > > expereinces > > >>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately > > > in > > >>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and > > > try > > >>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not > get > > >>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > > > similarly > > >>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and > > > hence > > >>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best > > >>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to > > > alcohol > > >>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get > > > it. > > >>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his > > > being > > >>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and > > > start > > >>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and > > > has > > >>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > ancestors, > > > he > > >>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > > > previous > > >>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins > which > > > is > > >>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and > are > > >>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > > >>> > > >>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal > > >>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so > > > that > > >>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular > remedy > > >>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many > people > > >>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > > >>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot > > >>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved > best > > >>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > > >>> > > >>> with best wishes > > >>> pandit arjun > > >>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > > >>>> > > >>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by > > > any > > >>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > > >>>> > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>> > > >>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > > >>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sir, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your > > >>>>> goodself has mentioned. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if > done > > >>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > > >>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last > > >>>>> 2 decades. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope, > > >>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with > own > > >>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors > > >>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > > > regularly) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the > house. > > >>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > > > members > > >>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > longlife > > >>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, > > >>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > > > indirectly. > > >>>>> Thank You. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Regards, > > >>>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B > > >>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Prafulla > > >>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM > between > > >>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for > diff > > >>>>> planets > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives > > >>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > > >>> diorders. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help > for > > >>> many > > >>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > > > respirotary > > >>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > religious > > >>> works > > >>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > > >>> prescribed, > > >>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > > >>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them > > > so > > >>> did > > >>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > systems > > >>> to get > > >>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too > who > > >>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do > try > > >>> whole > > >>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as > > >>> breathing. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know > muslims > > >>> who > > >>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was > a > > >>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a > > >>> look in > > >>>>> archives. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > >>>>> wrote: Dear > > > Shri > > >>>>> Kumar ji > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for > > > the > > >>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > > >>> strengtht to > > >>>>> find realistic solutions > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, > > > if > > >>> any. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > possible, > > >>> must > > >>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > suggesting > > >>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > > > authentic > > >>>>> remedies > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the > > >>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the > > >>> planet. > > >>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - > > >>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit > more > > >>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment > little > > >>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may > > > tone > > >>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping > up > > >>> with > > >>>>> challenges. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > and > > > we > > >>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > > >>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 - > 4 > > >>> tantra > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Prafulla, > > >>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r > > >>> offshoots > > >>>>> of > > >>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil > > >>> design > > >>>>> or black > > >>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and > helped > > >>> in > > >>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to > watch > > >>> the > > >>>>> rise of > > >>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions > have > > >>> very > > >>>>> intense > > >>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > > > tantras > > >>> (do > > >>>>> not mix > > >>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > it, > > >>> and > > >>>>> we star in > > >>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > > >>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > > >>> 23/27 -2 > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Prafulla, > > >>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r > not > > >>>>> bbeong done or > > >>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen > or > > >>> child > > >>>>> or huam > > >>>>>> > so > > >>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > > > excessive > > >>>>> balis then > > >>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if > > >>> there > > >>>>> was no > > >>>>>> > rain or > > >>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of > > >>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > > >>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific > > >>> religion, > > >>>>> then why > > >>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting > > >>>>> something which > > >>>>>> > is > > >>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > > > religion > > >>>>> etc). > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > produce > > >>> it, > > >>>>> and we star > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > > >>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying > with > > >>> more > > >>>>> food for > > >>>>>> > > > thought. > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am > sorry > > >>> dear > > >>>>> tolerant > > >>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > > >>> religious/non- > > >>>>> ritual > > >>>>>> > type > > >>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail > to > > >>>>> notice the > > >>>>>> > strength > > >>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive > > >>> mother > > >>>>> to do her > > >>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father > > >>> scientist > > >>>>> manager > > >>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual > > >>>>> scriptures such as > > >>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very > intensively > > >>>>> tuning into > > >>>>>> > that > > >>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core > > >>> scientist > > >>>>> and one of > > >>>>>> > the > > >>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, > > >>> europe > > >>>>> trained and > > >>>>>> > all > > >>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the > wall > > >>> next > > >>>>> to his bed > > >>>>>> > for > > >>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > > >>> Ramakrishna > > >>>>> in the next > > >>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This > man > > >>> always > > >>>>>> > pooh-poohed > > >>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never > > > really > > >>>>> stopped me > > >>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being > successful > > >>> at a > > >>>>> few things > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There > > > was > > >>> a > > >>>>> moment when > > >>>>>> > I > > >>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology > > >>>>> miscellany quizzes > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly > showed > > >>> it > > >>>>> to him. He > > >>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! > > >>> One of > > >>>>> his > > >>>>>> > favourite > > >>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > > > Unfortunately > > >>>>> most of us do > > >>>>>> > not > > >>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being > irrelevant. > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality > has > > >>> much > > >>>>> more power > > >>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is > > >>> FLEXIBLE, > > >>>>> it > > >>>>>> > respects > > >>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades > through > > >>> each > > >>>>> and every > > >>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the > > >>> fullest > > >>>>>> > expression of > > >>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully > > >>> enjoying > > >>>>> those, > > >>>>>> > never > > >>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > RR > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > , > srinivasa > > >>>>> murthy adavi > > >>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > > >>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > > >>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever > > >>>>> cosmological > > >>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God > > >>> reveals > > >>>>> himself > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > > >>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and > > >>> Shiva > > >>>>> along with > > >>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > etc,and > > >>>>> others like > > >>>>>> > Shirdi > > >>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > > > Christ,Prophet > > >>>>> Mohammed etc > > >>>>>> > all > > >>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for > > >>>>> bringing in the > > >>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > > >>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > madeout > > > by > > >>>>> selfish > > >>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain > > > false > > >>>>> sympathy and > > >>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more > > >>> personal > > >>>>> or for a > > >>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > > >>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code- > The > > >>> people > > >>>>> (some) > > >>>>>> > are > > >>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > > > theselves > > >>>>> are not > > >>>>>> > > bothering > > >>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the > > >>>>> question is the > > >>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > > > creativeness > > >>>>> and freedom > > >>>>>> > of > > >>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > > > married > > >>> 8 > > >>>>> women and > > >>>>>> > gave > > >>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the > > >>> truth > > >>>>> was never > > >>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the > > >>>>> importance of > > >>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of > > >>>>> TheDivine even > > >>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as > > >>> truth > > >>>>> that jesus > > >>>>>> > was > > >>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty > (in > > >>> the > > >>>>> name of > > >>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the > > >>> truth.Some > > >>>>> day we > > >>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch > > > on > > >>>>> which we're > > >>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish > > >>> desires > > >>>>> these > > >>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of > > >>> religious > > >>>>>> > tenets.We'll > > >>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > > > without > > >>>>> warning.So > > >>>>>> > please > > >>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of > > >>>>> expression media > > >>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous > > >>>>> boundaries. > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> regards > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> srinivas > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >> Sri, > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your > > >>> message > > >>>>> but when > > >>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the > > > image > > >>> of > > >>>>> a Kind and > > >>>>>> > > > Wise > > >>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best > > >>> interests > > >>>>>> > (actually > > >>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have > > >>> stood > > >>>>> all > > >>>>>> > religions > > >>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would > > >>> they > > >>>>> still be > > >>>>>> > here? > > >>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity > that > > >>> has > > >>>>> been > > >>>>>> > > > associated > > >>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or > another. > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though > > > with > > >>> some > > >>>>>> > difficulty! > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> RR > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> , > > > srinivasa > > >>>>> murthy adavi > > >>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on > > > the > > >>>>> sermon > > >>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > > >>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > > >>> particular > > >>>>> mantra(when > > >>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done > > >>> based > > >>>>> on saatwik > > >>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > > > AdiSankaracharya > > >>> or > > >>>>> Other > > >>>>>> > Revered > > >>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > > > prescribed > > >>>>> mantra is > > >>>>>> > the > > >>>>>> > > > apt > > >>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead > > > to > > >>> a > > >>>>> proper > > >>>>>> > person > > >>>>>> > > > at > > >>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such > that > > >>> the > > >>>>> native > > >>>>>> > gets > > >>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner > > >>> fortitude > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>> > withstand > > >>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without > > > letting > > >>>>> him loose > > >>>>>> > his > > >>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in > our > > >>> work > > >>>>> spot if we > > >>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he > > > will > > >>>>> solve himself > > >>>>>> > > > (if > > >>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he > > > will > > >>>>> direct us to > > >>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the > > >>>>> authorised one). > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> regards > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. > > > The > > >>>>> quick remedy > > >>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for > > >>> shani, > > >>>>> mars, > > >>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > > >>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > example - > > >>>>> jyotishi > > >>>>>> > suggest > > >>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? > > >>> and if > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>> > native > > >>>>>> > > > is > > >>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following > krishna's > > >>>>> pooja; then > > >>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, > then > > >>> it > > >>>>> must also > > >>>>>> > be > > >>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction > > > etc > > >>>>> can be > > >>>>>> > remedied > > >>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or > > > say > > >>>>> which dasha > > >>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke > > >>>>> powers) require > > >>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not > > > all > > >>> the > > >>>>> people > > >>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such > rituals > > >>> well. > > >>>>> and if > > >>>>>> > does > > >>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard > > >>> excuse > > >>>>> for the > > >>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined > > >>> vidhi of > > >>>>> surya > > >>>>>> > naman > > >>>>>> > > > ( > > >>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > > >>> circumstances), > > >>>>> offering > > >>>>>> > > > water > > >>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja > etc. > > > I > > >>> do > > >>>>> not think, > > >>>>>> > > > the > > >>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going > to > > >>> help > > >>>>> without > > >>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how > do > > > we > > >>>>> know, if the > > >>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not > required > > >>> any > > >>>>> more? > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > >>> produce > > >>>>> it, and we > > >>>>>> > > > star > > >>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at > > >>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > > >>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > > >>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > > >>> proffessor ,told > > >>>>> us > > >>>>>> > students > > >>>>>> > > > a > > >>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > > >>>>> remedies,without > > >>>>>> > > > knowledge, > > >>>>>> > > >> its > > >>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, > > > of > > >>> this > > >>>>>> > statement > > >>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results > > >>> forthcoming > > >>>>> or news > > >>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy > is > > >>>>> suggested. Also > > >>>>>> > > > it > > >>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, > > >>> when he > > >>>>> suggests > > >>>>>> > so > > >>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is > saying. > > >>> For > > >>>>> eg.for > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native > to > > > do > > >>>>> pooja of > > >>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the > > > shakti > > >>>>> may be one, > > >>>>>> > > > but > > >>>>>> > > >> the > > >>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like > > >>> sattwa, > > >>>>> tamas or > > >>>>>> > > >> rajas. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? > > >>> Also > > >>>>> at times > > >>>>>> > > > stones > > >>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the > > > divine > > >>>>> couloured > > >>>>>> > rays > > >>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case > > >>> solidified > > >>>>>> > state),also > > >>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > suggested > > >>>>> wrongly. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > Mahadasha > > >>>>> lord, some for > > >>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > > >>> suggesting > > >>>>> the stone > > >>>>>> > at > > >>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > > > results > > >>>>> also which > > >>>>>> > > > would > > >>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For > > >>> ex.Libra > > >>>>>> > > > native.Will > > >>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? > Only > > >>>>> experience > > >>>>>> > from > > >>>>>> > > >> the > > >>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. > > >>> Talking of > > >>>>> mantras, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi > > >>> munis > > >>>>> of ancient > > >>>>>> > > >> times > > >>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple > > > recite > > >>>>> the mantra > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the > same > > >>>>> mantra > > >>>>>> > wrongly, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course > > > they > > >>>>> had the > > >>>>>> > power > > >>>>>> > > > to > > >>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, > > > but > > >>>>> what about > > >>>>>> > us > > >>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for > > > long, > > >>> but > > >>>>> the point > > >>>>>> > > > is, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > > >>> remedies. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> , > > > Prafulla > > >>>>> Gang > > >>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so > > >>> please > > >>>>> do not > > >>>>>> > > > misread > > >>>>>> > > >> me. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, > > >>> curses > > >>>>> etc in a > > >>>>>> > > > chart > > >>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per > > > his > > >>>>> experience). > > >>>>>> > > >> Native > > >>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some > remedy > > >>> (may > > >>>>> be > > >>>>>> > > > alternative > > >>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly > or > > >>>>> unknowlingly > > >>>>>> > > > (for > > >>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful > > > remedy > > >>> for > > >>>>> rahu / > > >>>>>> > > > ketu; > > >>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without > > >>> thinking > > >>>>> it as > > >>>>>> > remedy > > >>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > > >>> recommendation > > >>>>> of > > >>>>>> > > > remedies, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / > daily > > >>>>> routine etc. > > >>>>>> > > >> Should > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > > > Specifically - > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the > > > curse / > > >>>>> affliction > > >>>>>> > > >> related > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at > > >>> respective > > >>>>> planetary > > >>>>>> > > >> ages > > >>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > considered > > >>> to > > >>>>> be fully > > >>>>>> > > > done > > >>>>>> > > >> or > > >>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist > like. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good > practice > > >>> of > > >>>>> suggesting > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially > > >>> around > > >>>>> mantras. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must > be > > >>> in > > >>>>> line with > > >>>>>> > > >> native's > > >>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc > > >>> involve > > >>>>> lots of > > >>>>>> > > >> rituals > > >>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > > > assessment > > >>> of > > >>>>> its need > > >>>>>> > is > > >>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt > so > > >>>>> casually by > > >>>>>> > > > fellow > > >>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the > list > > >>>>> astrologers) > > >>>>>> > and > > >>>>>> > > >> to a > > >>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for > > > getting > > >>>>> into > > >>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > >>> produce > > >>>>> it, and > > >>>>>> > we > > >>>>>> > > >> star > > >>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > life!! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > >>>>> protection around > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been > > >>> removed] > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear Arjunji, my two cents on surya remedies.... 1. daily recital of aditya hrudaya stotra 2. surya ashtottara (108 names of surya) 3. surya namaskar (this can be clubbed with aditya hrudayam) 4. just lighting lamps in front of surya in the navagraha mandir on sundays. 5. vedic mantras of surya regards sriganeshh , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear prafullaji > > as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS > discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we mean > remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that > particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with > which the native stands benefited. > > so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. when > sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in > conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and > ketu, we find negative results. > > following are the general remedies which can be followed for any > type of sun related problems: > > 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven horses > and offering it a red flower daily. > 4. fasting on sundays. > 5. donate wheat grains. > 6. donate food to blind people. > 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol. > > members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the reasoning > or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my > understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and > hence can be done as an upay for sun. > > this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all > remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are > free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more > light. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to structure > this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, > then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their > experiences / various remedies. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004@ > > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > > > > > > Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to > > > present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply > > > facts, references and past results with various people from which > > > you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss > one > > > remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we > > > indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution this > > > group would have ever got. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > >> > > >> Very well said. > > >> > > >> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > remedies > > > in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra > is > > > one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting > > > system for shani / ketu. > > >> > > >> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary > > > factor. > > >> > > >> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for > > > each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started > > > with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > required (I > > > mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed > > > the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > transit / > > > dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >> > > >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> panditarjun2004@ > > >>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > > >>> > > >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > >>> > > >>> dear friends > > >>> > > >>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells > > > well > > >>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the > > >>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, > > >>> periodically in all groups. > > >>> > > >>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for > > >>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > > >>> > > >>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that > > >>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by > ALL > > >>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions. > > >>> > > >>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > religions > > > DO > > >>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a > > > person > > >>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, > > > these > > >>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as > > > devotees > > >>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > > > prafulla > > >>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih > > > both > > >>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains > > > along > > >>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which > > > are > > >>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > > >>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, > > >>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. > > >>> > > >>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies > > > with > > >>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > > > chartered > > >>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law > > >>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > PRESENT > > >>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when > > > comes > > >>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not > > >>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from > > > orient > > >>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present > > >>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale > is > > >>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any > > >>> religious person. > > >>> > > >>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > > > expereinces > > >>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately > > > in > > >>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and > > > try > > >>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not > get > > >>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > > > similarly > > >>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and > > > hence > > >>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best > > >>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to > > > alcohol > > >>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get > > > it. > > >>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his > > > being > > >>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and > > > start > > >>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and > > > has > > >>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > ancestors, > > > he > > >>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > > > previous > > >>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins > which > > > is > > >>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and > are > > >>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > > >>> > > >>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal > > >>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so > > > that > > >>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular > remedy > > >>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many > people > > >>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > > >>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot > > >>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved > best > > >>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > > >>> > > >>> with best wishes > > >>> pandit arjun > > >>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > > >>>> > > >>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by > > > any > > >>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > > >>>> > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>> > > >>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > > >>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sir, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your > > >>>>> goodself has mentioned. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if > done > > >>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > > >>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last > > >>>>> 2 decades. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope, > > >>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with > own > > >>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors > > >>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > > > regularly) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the > house. > > >>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > > > members > > >>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > longlife > > >>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, > > >>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > > > indirectly. > > >>>>> Thank You. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Regards, > > >>>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B > > >>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Prafulla > > >>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM > between > > >>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for > diff > > >>>>> planets > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives > > >>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > > >>> diorders. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help > for > > >>> many > > >>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > > > respirotary > > >>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > religious > > >>> works > > >>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > > >>> prescribed, > > >>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > > >>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them > > > so > > >>> did > > >>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > systems > > >>> to get > > >>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too > who > > >>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do > try > > >>> whole > > >>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as > > >>> breathing. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know > muslims > > >>> who > > >>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was > a > > >>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a > > >>> look in > > >>>>> archives. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > >>>>> wrote: Dear > > > Shri > > >>>>> Kumar ji > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for > > > the > > >>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > > >>> strengtht to > > >>>>> find realistic solutions > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, > > > if > > >>> any. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > possible, > > >>> must > > >>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > suggesting > > >>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > > > authentic > > >>>>> remedies > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the > > >>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the > > >>> planet. > > >>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - > > >>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit > more > > >>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment > little > > >>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may > > > tone > > >>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping > up > > >>> with > > >>>>> challenges. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > and > > > we > > >>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > > >>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 - > 4 > > >>> tantra > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Prafulla, > > >>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r > > >>> offshoots > > >>>>> of > > >>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil > > >>> design > > >>>>> or black > > >>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and > helped > > >>> in > > >>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to > watch > > >>> the > > >>>>> rise of > > >>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions > have > > >>> very > > >>>>> intense > > >>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > > > tantras > > >>> (do > > >>>>> not mix > > >>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > it, > > >>> and > > >>>>> we star in > > >>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > > >>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > > >>> 23/27 -2 > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Prafulla, > > >>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r > not > > >>>>> bbeong done or > > >>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen > or > > >>> child > > >>>>> or huam > > >>>>>> > so > > >>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > > > excessive > > >>>>> balis then > > >>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if > > >>> there > > >>>>> was no > > >>>>>> > rain or > > >>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of > > >>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > > >>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific > > >>> religion, > > >>>>> then why > > >>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting > > >>>>> something which > > >>>>>> > is > > >>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > > > religion > > >>>>> etc). > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > produce > > >>> it, > > >>>>> and we star > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > > >>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying > with > > >>> more > > >>>>> food for > > >>>>>> > > > thought. > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am > sorry > > >>> dear > > >>>>> tolerant > > >>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > > >>> religious/non- > > >>>>> ritual > > >>>>>> > type > > >>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail > to > > >>>>> notice the > > >>>>>> > strength > > >>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive > > >>> mother > > >>>>> to do her > > >>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father > > >>> scientist > > >>>>> manager > > >>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual > > >>>>> scriptures such as > > >>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very > intensively > > >>>>> tuning into > > >>>>>> > that > > >>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core > > >>> scientist > > >>>>> and one of > > >>>>>> > the > > >>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, > > >>> europe > > >>>>> trained and > > >>>>>> > all > > >>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the > wall > > >>> next > > >>>>> to his bed > > >>>>>> > for > > >>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > > >>> Ramakrishna > > >>>>> in the next > > >>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This > man > > >>> always > > >>>>>> > pooh-poohed > > >>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never > > > really > > >>>>> stopped me > > >>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being > successful > > >>> at a > > >>>>> few things > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There > > > was > > >>> a > > >>>>> moment when > > >>>>>> > I > > >>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology > > >>>>> miscellany quizzes > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly > showed > > >>> it > > >>>>> to him. He > > >>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! > > >>> One of > > >>>>> his > > >>>>>> > favourite > > >>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > > > Unfortunately > > >>>>> most of us do > > >>>>>> > not > > >>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being > irrelevant. > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality > has > > >>> much > > >>>>> more power > > >>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is > > >>> FLEXIBLE, > > >>>>> it > > >>>>>> > respects > > >>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades > through > > >>> each > > >>>>> and every > > >>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the > > >>> fullest > > >>>>>> > expression of > > >>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully > > >>> enjoying > > >>>>> those, > > >>>>>> > never > > >>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > RR > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > , > srinivasa > > >>>>> murthy adavi > > >>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > > >>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > > >>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever > > >>>>> cosmological > > >>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God > > >>> reveals > > >>>>> himself > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > > >>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and > > >>> Shiva > > >>>>> along with > > >>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > etc,and > > >>>>> others like > > >>>>>> > Shirdi > > >>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > > > Christ,Prophet > > >>>>> Mohammed etc > > >>>>>> > all > > >>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for > > >>>>> bringing in the > > >>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > > >>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > madeout > > > by > > >>>>> selfish > > >>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain > > > false > > >>>>> sympathy and > > >>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more > > >>> personal > > >>>>> or for a > > >>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > > >>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code- > The > > >>> people > > >>>>> (some) > > >>>>>> > are > > >>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > > > theselves > > >>>>> are not > > >>>>>> > > bothering > > >>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the > > >>>>> question is the > > >>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > > > creativeness > > >>>>> and freedom > > >>>>>> > of > > >>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > > > married > > >>> 8 > > >>>>> women and > > >>>>>> > gave > > >>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the > > >>> truth > > >>>>> was never > > >>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the > > >>>>> importance of > > >>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of > > >>>>> TheDivine even > > >>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as > > >>> truth > > >>>>> that jesus > > >>>>>> > was > > >>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty > (in > > >>> the > > >>>>> name of > > >>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the > > >>> truth.Some > > >>>>> day we > > >>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch > > > on > > >>>>> which we're > > >>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish > > >>> desires > > >>>>> these > > >>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of > > >>> religious > > >>>>>> > tenets.We'll > > >>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > > > without > > >>>>> warning.So > > >>>>>> > please > > >>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of > > >>>>> expression media > > >>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous > > >>>>> boundaries. > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> regards > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> srinivas > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >> Sri, > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your > > >>> message > > >>>>> but when > > >>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the > > > image > > >>> of > > >>>>> a Kind and > > >>>>>> > > > Wise > > >>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best > > >>> interests > > >>>>>> > (actually > > >>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have > > >>> stood > > >>>>> all > > >>>>>> > religions > > >>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would > > >>> they > > >>>>> still be > > >>>>>> > here? > > >>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity > that > > >>> has > > >>>>> been > > >>>>>> > > > associated > > >>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or > another. > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though > > > with > > >>> some > > >>>>>> > difficulty! > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> RR > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> , > > > srinivasa > > >>>>> murthy adavi > > >>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on > > > the > > >>>>> sermon > > >>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > > >>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > > >>> particular > > >>>>> mantra(when > > >>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done > > >>> based > > >>>>> on saatwik > > >>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > > > AdiSankaracharya > > >>> or > > >>>>> Other > > >>>>>> > Revered > > >>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > > > prescribed > > >>>>> mantra is > > >>>>>> > the > > >>>>>> > > > apt > > >>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead > > > to > > >>> a > > >>>>> proper > > >>>>>> > person > > >>>>>> > > > at > > >>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such > that > > >>> the > > >>>>> native > > >>>>>> > gets > > >>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner > > >>> fortitude > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>> > withstand > > >>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without > > > letting > > >>>>> him loose > > >>>>>> > his > > >>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in > our > > >>> work > > >>>>> spot if we > > >>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he > > > will > > >>>>> solve himself > > >>>>>> > > > (if > > >>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he > > > will > > >>>>> direct us to > > >>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the > > >>>>> authorised one). > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> regards > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. > > > The > > >>>>> quick remedy > > >>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for > > >>> shani, > > >>>>> mars, > > >>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > > >>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > example - > > >>>>> jyotishi > > >>>>>> > suggest > > >>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? > > >>> and if > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>> > native > > >>>>>> > > > is > > >>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following > krishna's > > >>>>> pooja; then > > >>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, > then > > >>> it > > >>>>> must also > > >>>>>> > be > > >>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction > > > etc > > >>>>> can be > > >>>>>> > remedied > > >>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or > > > say > > >>>>> which dasha > > >>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke > > >>>>> powers) require > > >>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not > > > all > > >>> the > > >>>>> people > > >>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such > rituals > > >>> well. > > >>>>> and if > > >>>>>> > does > > >>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard > > >>> excuse > > >>>>> for the > > >>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined > > >>> vidhi of > > >>>>> surya > > >>>>>> > naman > > >>>>>> > > > ( > > >>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > > >>> circumstances), > > >>>>> offering > > >>>>>> > > > water > > >>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja > etc. > > > I > > >>> do > > >>>>> not think, > > >>>>>> > > > the > > >>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going > to > > >>> help > > >>>>> without > > >>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how > do > > > we > > >>>>> know, if the > > >>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not > required > > >>> any > > >>>>> more? > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > >>> produce > > >>>>> it, and we > > >>>>>> > > > star > > >>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at > > >>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > > >>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > > >>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > > >>> proffessor ,told > > >>>>> us > > >>>>>> > students > > >>>>>> > > > a > > >>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > > >>>>> remedies,without > > >>>>>> > > > knowledge, > > >>>>>> > > >> its > > >>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, > > > of > > >>> this > > >>>>>> > statement > > >>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results > > >>> forthcoming > > >>>>> or news > > >>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy > is > > >>>>> suggested. Also > > >>>>>> > > > it > > >>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, > > >>> when he > > >>>>> suggests > > >>>>>> > so > > >>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is > saying. > > >>> For > > >>>>> eg.for > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native > to > > > do > > >>>>> pooja of > > >>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the > > > shakti > > >>>>> may be one, > > >>>>>> > > > but > > >>>>>> > > >> the > > >>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like > > >>> sattwa, > > >>>>> tamas or > > >>>>>> > > >> rajas. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? > > >>> Also > > >>>>> at times > > >>>>>> > > > stones > > >>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the > > > divine > > >>>>> couloured > > >>>>>> > rays > > >>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case > > >>> solidified > > >>>>>> > state),also > > >>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > suggested > > >>>>> wrongly. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > Mahadasha > > >>>>> lord, some for > > >>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > > >>> suggesting > > >>>>> the stone > > >>>>>> > at > > >>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > > > results > > >>>>> also which > > >>>>>> > > > would > > >>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For > > >>> ex.Libra > > >>>>>> > > > native.Will > > >>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? > Only > > >>>>> experience > > >>>>>> > from > > >>>>>> > > >> the > > >>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. > > >>> Talking of > > >>>>> mantras, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi > > >>> munis > > >>>>> of ancient > > >>>>>> > > >> times > > >>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple > > > recite > > >>>>> the mantra > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the > same > > >>>>> mantra > > >>>>>> > wrongly, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course > > > they > > >>>>> had the > > >>>>>> > power > > >>>>>> > > > to > > >>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, > > > but > > >>>>> what about > > >>>>>> > us > > >>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for > > > long, > > >>> but > > >>>>> the point > > >>>>>> > > > is, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > > >>> remedies. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> , > > > Prafulla > > >>>>> Gang > > >>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so > > >>> please > > >>>>> do not > > >>>>>> > > > misread > > >>>>>> > > >> me. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, > > >>> curses > > >>>>> etc in a > > >>>>>> > > > chart > > >>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per > > > his > > >>>>> experience). > > >>>>>> > > >> Native > > >>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some > remedy > > >>> (may > > >>>>> be > > >>>>>> > > > alternative > > >>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly > or > > >>>>> unknowlingly > > >>>>>> > > > (for > > >>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful > > > remedy > > >>> for > > >>>>> rahu / > > >>>>>> > > > ketu; > > >>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without > > >>> thinking > > >>>>> it as > > >>>>>> > remedy > > >>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > > >>> recommendation > > >>>>> of > > >>>>>> > > > remedies, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / > daily > > >>>>> routine etc. > > >>>>>> > > >> Should > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > > > Specifically - > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the > > > curse / > > >>>>> affliction > > >>>>>> > > >> related > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at > > >>> respective > > >>>>> planetary > > >>>>>> > > >> ages > > >>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > considered > > >>> to > > >>>>> be fully > > >>>>>> > > > done > > >>>>>> > > >> or > > >>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist > like. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good > practice > > >>> of > > >>>>> suggesting > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially > > >>> around > > >>>>> mantras. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must > be > > >>> in > > >>>>> line with > > >>>>>> > > >> native's > > >>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc > > >>> involve > > >>>>> lots of > > >>>>>> > > >> rituals > > >>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > > > assessment > > >>> of > > >>>>> its need > > >>>>>> > is > > >>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt > so > > >>>>> casually by > > >>>>>> > > > fellow > > >>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the > list > > >>>>> astrologers) > > >>>>>> > and > > >>>>>> > > >> to a > > >>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for > > > getting > > >>>>> into > > >>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > >>> produce > > >>>>> it, and > > >>>>>> > we > > >>>>>> > > >> star > > >>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > life!! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > >>>>> protection around > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been > > >>> removed] > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > >>>>> protection around > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been > > >>> removed] > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Prashantkumar G B > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > group > > >>>>>> > > but > > >>>>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, > > >>> mail > > >>>>> or phone. > > >>>>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > > >>>>>> > > 09840051861 > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out > > > the > > >>>>> handy > > >>>>>> > changes to > > >>>>>> > > . > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Prashantkumar G B > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > > >>>>> group > > >>>>>> > but > > >>>>>> > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, > mail > > > or > > >>>>> phone. > > >>>>>> > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > > >>>>>> > 09840051861 > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to- Phone > > >>> calls. > > >>>>> Great > > >>>>>> > rates starting at 1¢/min. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear Group members, according to Lalkitab, if Rahu occupies the lagna then also Sun gives malefic effects. Should we consider this also as an affliction while suggesting remedies for Sun? Lalkitab suggest following remedies to be done in addition to the remedies for Sun; Immerse pooja nariyal in flowing water. Wear silver in neck. Best Regards, Akhil Jain bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear PanditArjunji, Good first move made by You and suggested by Prafullji. I add what comes to mind immediately, also reciting Adita Hrdyam daily. Getting Surya pooja done at any Navgraha mandir on Sunday by Pandit with red cloth offered to Surya Bhagwan). behaving properly,respectful with elders in family. Bhaskar. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear prafullaji > > as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS > discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we mean > remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that > particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with > which the native stands benefited. > > so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. when > sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in > conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and > ketu, we find negative results. > > following are the general remedies which can be followed for any > type of sun related problems: > > 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven horses > and offering it a red flower daily. > 4. fasting on sundays. > 5. donate wheat grains. > 6. donate food to blind people. > 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol. > > members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the reasoning > or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my > understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and > hence can be done as an upay for sun. > > this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all > remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are > free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more > light. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to structure > this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, > then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their > experiences / various remedies. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004@ > > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > > > > > > Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to > > > present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply > > > facts, references and past results with various people from which > > > you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss > one > > > remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we > > > indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution this > > > group would have ever got. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > >> > > >> Very well said. > > >> > > >> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > remedies > > > in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra > is > > > one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting > > > system for shani / ketu. > > >> > > >> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary > > > factor. > > >> > > >> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for > > > each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started > > > with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > required (I > > > mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed > > > the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > transit / > > > dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >> > > >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> panditarjun2004@ > > >>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > > >>> > > >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > >>> > > >>> dear friends > > >>> > > >>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells > > > well > > >>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the > > >>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, > > >>> periodically in all groups. > > >>> > > >>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for > > >>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > > >>> > > >>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that > > >>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by > ALL > > >>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions. > > >>> > > >>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > religions > > > DO > > >>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a > > > person > > >>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, > > > these > > >>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as > > > devotees > > >>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > > > prafulla > > >>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih > > > both > > >>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains > > > along > > >>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which > > > are > > >>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > > >>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, > > >>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. > > >>> > > >>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies > > > with > > >>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > > > chartered > > >>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law > > >>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > PRESENT > > >>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when > > > comes > > >>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not > > >>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from > > > orient > > >>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present > > >>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale > is > > >>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any > > >>> religious person. > > >>> > > >>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > > > expereinces > > >>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately > > > in > > >>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and > > > try > > >>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not > get > > >>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > > > similarly > > >>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and > > > hence > > >>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best > > >>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to > > > alcohol > > >>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get > > > it. > > >>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his > > > being > > >>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and > > > start > > >>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and > > > has > > >>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > ancestors, > > > he > > >>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > > > previous > > >>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins > which > > > is > > >>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and > are > > >>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > > >>> > > >>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal > > >>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so > > > that > > >>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular > remedy > > >>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many > people > > >>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > > >>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot > > >>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved > best > > >>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > > >>> > > >>> with best wishes > > >>> pandit arjun > > >>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > > >>>> > > >>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by > > > any > > >>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > > >>>> > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>> > > >>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > > >>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sir, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your > > >>>>> goodself has mentioned. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if > done > > >>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > > >>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last > > >>>>> 2 decades. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope, > > >>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with > own > > >>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors > > >>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > > > regularly) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the > house. > > >>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > > > members > > >>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > longlife > > >>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, > > >>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > > > indirectly. > > >>>>> Thank You. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Regards, > > >>>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B > > >>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Prafulla > > >>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM > between > > >>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for > diff > > >>>>> planets > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives > > >>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > > >>> diorders. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help > for > > >>> many > > >>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > > > respirotary > > >>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > religious > > >>> works > > >>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > > >>> prescribed, > > >>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > > >>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them > > > so > > >>> did > > >>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > systems > > >>> to get > > >>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too > who > > >>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do > try > > >>> whole > > >>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as > > >>> breathing. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know > muslims > > >>> who > > >>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was > a > > >>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a > > >>> look in > > >>>>> archives. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > >>>>> wrote: Dear > > > Shri > > >>>>> Kumar ji > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for > > > the > > >>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > > >>> strengtht to > > >>>>> find realistic solutions > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, > > > if > > >>> any. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > possible, > > >>> must > > >>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > suggesting > > >>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > > > authentic > > >>>>> remedies > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the > > >>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the > > >>> planet. > > >>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - > > >>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit > more > > >>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment > little > > >>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may > > > tone > > >>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping > up > > >>> with > > >>>>> challenges. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > and > > > we > > >>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > > >>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 - > 4 > > >>> tantra > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Prafulla, > > >>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r > > >>> offshoots > > >>>>> of > > >>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil > > >>> design > > >>>>> or black > > >>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and > helped > > >>> in > > >>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to > watch > > >>> the > > >>>>> rise of > > >>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions > have > > >>> very > > >>>>> intense > > >>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > > > tantras > > >>> (do > > >>>>> not mix > > >>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > it, > > >>> and > > >>>>> we star in > > >>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > > >>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > > >>> 23/27 -2 > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Prafulla, > > >>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r > not > > >>>>> bbeong done or > > >>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen > or > > >>> child > > >>>>> or huam > > >>>>>> > so > > >>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > > > excessive > > >>>>> balis then > > >>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if > > >>> there > > >>>>> was no > > >>>>>> > rain or > > >>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of > > >>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > > >>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific > > >>> religion, > > >>>>> then why > > >>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting > > >>>>> something which > > >>>>>> > is > > >>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > > > religion > > >>>>> etc). > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > produce > > >>> it, > > >>>>> and we star > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > > >>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying > with > > >>> more > > >>>>> food for > > >>>>>> > > > thought. > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am > sorry > > >>> dear > > >>>>> tolerant > > >>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > > >>> religious/non- > > >>>>> ritual > > >>>>>> > type > > >>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail > to > > >>>>> notice the > > >>>>>> > strength > > >>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive > > >>> mother > > >>>>> to do her > > >>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father > > >>> scientist > > >>>>> manager > > >>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual > > >>>>> scriptures such as > > >>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very > intensively > > >>>>> tuning into > > >>>>>> > that > > >>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core > > >>> scientist > > >>>>> and one of > > >>>>>> > the > > >>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, > > >>> europe > > >>>>> trained and > > >>>>>> > all > > >>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the > wall > > >>> next > > >>>>> to his bed > > >>>>>> > for > > >>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > > >>> Ramakrishna > > >>>>> in the next > > >>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This > man > > >>> always > > >>>>>> > pooh-poohed > > >>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never > > > really > > >>>>> stopped me > > >>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being > successful > > >>> at a > > >>>>> few things > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There > > > was > > >>> a > > >>>>> moment when > > >>>>>> > I > > >>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology > > >>>>> miscellany quizzes > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly > showed > > >>> it > > >>>>> to him. He > > >>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! > > >>> One of > > >>>>> his > > >>>>>> > favourite > > >>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > > > Unfortunately > > >>>>> most of us do > > >>>>>> > not > > >>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being > irrelevant. > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality > has > > >>> much > > >>>>> more power > > >>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is > > >>> FLEXIBLE, > > >>>>> it > > >>>>>> > respects > > >>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades > through > > >>> each > > >>>>> and every > > >>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the > > >>> fullest > > >>>>>> > expression of > > >>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully > > >>> enjoying > > >>>>> those, > > >>>>>> > never > > >>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > RR > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > , > srinivasa > > >>>>> murthy adavi > > >>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > > >>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > > >>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever > > >>>>> cosmological > > >>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God > > >>> reveals > > >>>>> himself > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > > >>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and > > >>> Shiva > > >>>>> along with > > >>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > etc,and > > >>>>> others like > > >>>>>> > Shirdi > > >>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > > > Christ,Prophet > > >>>>> Mohammed etc > > >>>>>> > all > > >>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for > > >>>>> bringing in the > > >>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > > >>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > madeout > > > by > > >>>>> selfish > > >>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain > > > false > > >>>>> sympathy and > > >>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more > > >>> personal > > >>>>> or for a > > >>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > > >>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code- > The > > >>> people > > >>>>> (some) > > >>>>>> > are > > >>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > > > theselves > > >>>>> are not > > >>>>>> > > bothering > > >>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the > > >>>>> question is the > > >>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > > > creativeness > > >>>>> and freedom > > >>>>>> > of > > >>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > > > married > > >>> 8 > > >>>>> women and > > >>>>>> > gave > > >>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the > > >>> truth > > >>>>> was never > > >>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the > > >>>>> importance of > > >>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of > > >>>>> TheDivine even > > >>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as > > >>> truth > > >>>>> that jesus > > >>>>>> > was > > >>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty > (in > > >>> the > > >>>>> name of > > >>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the > > >>> truth.Some > > >>>>> day we > > >>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch > > > on > > >>>>> which we're > > >>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish > > >>> desires > > >>>>> these > > >>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of > > >>> religious > > >>>>>> > tenets.We'll > > >>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > > > without > > >>>>> warning.So > > >>>>>> > please > > >>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of > > >>>>> expression media > > >>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous > > >>>>> boundaries. > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> regards > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> srinivas > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >> Sri, > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your > > >>> message > > >>>>> but when > > >>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the > > > image > > >>> of > > >>>>> a Kind and > > >>>>>> > > > Wise > > >>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best > > >>> interests > > >>>>>> > (actually > > >>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have > > >>> stood > > >>>>> all > > >>>>>> > religions > > >>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would > > >>> they > > >>>>> still be > > >>>>>> > here? > > >>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity > that > > >>> has > > >>>>> been > > >>>>>> > > > associated > > >>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or > another. > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though > > > with > > >>> some > > >>>>>> > difficulty! > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> RR > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> , > > > srinivasa > > >>>>> murthy adavi > > >>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on > > > the > > >>>>> sermon > > >>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > > >>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > > >>> particular > > >>>>> mantra(when > > >>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done > > >>> based > > >>>>> on saatwik > > >>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > > > AdiSankaracharya > > >>> or > > >>>>> Other > > >>>>>> > Revered > > >>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > > > prescribed > > >>>>> mantra is > > >>>>>> > the > > >>>>>> > > > apt > > >>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead > > > to > > >>> a > > >>>>> proper > > >>>>>> > person > > >>>>>> > > > at > > >>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such > that > > >>> the > > >>>>> native > > >>>>>> > gets > > >>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner > > >>> fortitude > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>> > withstand > > >>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without > > > letting > > >>>>> him loose > > >>>>>> > his > > >>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in > our > > >>> work > > >>>>> spot if we > > >>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he > > > will > > >>>>> solve himself > > >>>>>> > > > (if > > >>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he > > > will > > >>>>> direct us to > > >>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the > > >>>>> authorised one). > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> regards > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. > > > The > > >>>>> quick remedy > > >>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for > > >>> shani, > > >>>>> mars, > > >>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > > >>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > example - > > >>>>> jyotishi > > >>>>>> > suggest > > >>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? > > >>> and if > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>> > native > > >>>>>> > > > is > > >>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following > krishna's > > >>>>> pooja; then > > >>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, > then > > >>> it > > >>>>> must also > > >>>>>> > be > > >>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction > > > etc > > >>>>> can be > > >>>>>> > remedied > > >>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or > > > say > > >>>>> which dasha > > >>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke > > >>>>> powers) require > > >>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not > > > all > > >>> the > > >>>>> people > > >>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such > rituals > > >>> well. > > >>>>> and if > > >>>>>> > does > > >>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard > > >>> excuse > > >>>>> for the > > >>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined > > >>> vidhi of > > >>>>> surya > > >>>>>> > naman > > >>>>>> > > > ( > > >>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > > >>> circumstances), > > >>>>> offering > > >>>>>> > > > water > > >>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja > etc. > > > I > > >>> do > > >>>>> not think, > > >>>>>> > > > the > > >>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going > to > > >>> help > > >>>>> without > > >>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how > do > > > we > > >>>>> know, if the > > >>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not > required > > >>> any > > >>>>> more? > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > >>> produce > > >>>>> it, and we > > >>>>>> > > > star > > >>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at > > >>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > > >>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > > >>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > > >>> proffessor ,told > > >>>>> us > > >>>>>> > students > > >>>>>> > > > a > > >>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > > >>>>> remedies,without > > >>>>>> > > > knowledge, > > >>>>>> > > >> its > > >>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, > > > of > > >>> this > > >>>>>> > statement > > >>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results > > >>> forthcoming > > >>>>> or news > > >>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy > is > > >>>>> suggested. Also > > >>>>>> > > > it > > >>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, > > >>> when he > > >>>>> suggests > > >>>>>> > so > > >>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is > saying. > > >>> For > > >>>>> eg.for > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native > to > > > do > > >>>>> pooja of > > >>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the > > > shakti > > >>>>> may be one, > > >>>>>> > > > but > > >>>>>> > > >> the > > >>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like > > >>> sattwa, > > >>>>> tamas or > > >>>>>> > > >> rajas. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? > > >>> Also > > >>>>> at times > > >>>>>> > > > stones > > >>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the > > > divine > > >>>>> couloured > > >>>>>> > rays > > >>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case > > >>> solidified > > >>>>>> > state),also > > >>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > suggested > > >>>>> wrongly. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > Mahadasha > > >>>>> lord, some for > > >>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > > >>> suggesting > > >>>>> the stone > > >>>>>> > at > > >>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > > > results > > >>>>> also which > > >>>>>> > > > would > > >>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For > > >>> ex.Libra > > >>>>>> > > > native.Will > > >>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? > Only > > >>>>> experience > > >>>>>> > from > > >>>>>> > > >> the > > >>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. > > >>> Talking of > > >>>>> mantras, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi > > >>> munis > > >>>>> of ancient > > >>>>>> > > >> times > > >>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple > > > recite > > >>>>> the mantra > > >>>>>> > in > > >>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the > same > > >>>>> mantra > > >>>>>> > wrongly, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course > > > they > > >>>>> had the > > >>>>>> > power > > >>>>>> > > > to > > >>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, > > > but > > >>>>> what about > > >>>>>> > us > > >>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for > > > long, > > >>> but > > >>>>> the point > > >>>>>> > > > is, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > > >>> remedies. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> , > > > Prafulla > > >>>>> Gang > > >>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so > > >>> please > > >>>>> do not > > >>>>>> > > > misread > > >>>>>> > > >> me. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, > > >>> curses > > >>>>> etc in a > > >>>>>> > > > chart > > >>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per > > > his > > >>>>> experience). > > >>>>>> > > >> Native > > >>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some > remedy > > >>> (may > > >>>>> be > > >>>>>> > > > alternative > > >>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly > or > > >>>>> unknowlingly > > >>>>>> > > > (for > > >>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful > > > remedy > > >>> for > > >>>>> rahu / > > >>>>>> > > > ketu; > > >>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without > > >>> thinking > > >>>>> it as > > >>>>>> > remedy > > >>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > > >>> recommendation > > >>>>> of > > >>>>>> > > > remedies, > > >>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / > daily > > >>>>> routine etc. > > >>>>>> > > >> Should > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > > > Specifically - > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the > > > curse / > > >>>>> affliction > > >>>>>> > > >> related > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at > > >>> respective > > >>>>> planetary > > >>>>>> > > >> ages > > >>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > considered > > >>> to > > >>>>> be fully > > >>>>>> > > > done > > >>>>>> > > >> or > > >>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist > like. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good > practice > > >>> of > > >>>>> suggesting > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially > > >>> around > > >>>>> mantras. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must > be > > >>> in > > >>>>> line with > > >>>>>> > > >> native's > > >>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc > > >>> involve > > >>>>> lots of > > >>>>>> > > >> rituals > > >>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > > > assessment > > >>> of > > >>>>> its need > > >>>>>> > is > > >>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt > so > > >>>>> casually by > > >>>>>> > > > fellow > > >>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the > list > > >>>>> astrologers) > > >>>>>> > and > > >>>>>> > > >> to a > > >>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for > > > getting > > >>>>> into > > >>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > >>> produce > > >>>>> it, and > > >>>>>> > we > > >>>>>> > > >> star > > >>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > life!! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > >>>>> protection around > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been > > >>> removed] > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > >>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear members I request lal kitab experts also to participate with explanation on malefic sun and remedial measures. Likewise, members can also post remedies per different religious practices. regards / Prafulla Gang After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > sriganeshh > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:53:17 -0000 > > Re: new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN > > Dear Arjunji, > > my two cents on surya remedies.... > > 1. daily recital of aditya hrudaya stotra > 2. surya ashtottara (108 names of surya) > 3. surya namaskar (this can be clubbed with aditya hrudayam) > 4. just lighting lamps in front of surya in the navagraha mandir on > sundays. > 5. vedic mantras of surya > > regards > sriganeshh > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004 wrote: >> >> dear prafullaji >> >> as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS >> discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we > mean >> remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that >> particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with >> which the native stands benefited. >> >> so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. > when >> sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in >> conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and >> ketu, we find negative results. >> >> following are the general remedies which can be followed for any >> type of sun related problems: >> >> 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day >> 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day >> 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven > horses >> and offering it a red flower daily. >> 4. fasting on sundays. >> 5. donate wheat grains. >> 6. donate food to blind people. >> 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. >> 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. >> 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol. >> >> members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the > reasoning >> or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my >> understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and >> hence can be done as an upay for sun. >> >> this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all >> remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are >> free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more >> light. >> >> with best wishes >> pandit arjun >> >> >> >> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji, >>> >>> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to > structure >> this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, >> then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their >> experiences / various remedies. >>> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>> >>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> panditarjun2004@ >>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 >>>> >>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra >>>> >>>> dear friends >>>> >>>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to >>>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply >>>> facts, references and past results with various people from > which >>>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to > discuss >> one >>>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we >>>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution > this >>>> group would have ever got. >>>> >>>> with best wishes >>>> pandit arjun >>>> >>>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji >>>>> >>>>> Very well said. >>>>> >>>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the >> remedies >>>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar > Mantra >> is >>>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and > fasting >>>> system for shani / ketu. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary >>>> factor. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for >>>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question > started >>>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is >> required (I >>>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already > fixed >>>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / >> transit / >>>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). >>>>> >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>> >>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> panditarjun2004@ >>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 >>>>>> >>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra >>>>>> >>>>>> dear friends >>>>>> >>>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells >>>> well >>>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the >>>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, >>>>>> periodically in all groups. >>>>>> >>>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan > for >>>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. >>>>>> >>>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement > that >>>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed > by >> ALL >>>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL > religions. >>>>>> >>>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other >> religions >>>> DO >>>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a >>>> person >>>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, >>>> these >>>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as >>>> devotees >>>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like >>>> prafulla >>>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih >>>> both >>>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains >>>> along >>>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains > which >>>> are >>>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some >>>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, >>>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. >>>>>> >>>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow > remedies >>>> with >>>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, >>>> chartered >>>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the > law >>>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the >> PRESENT >>>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when >>>> comes >>>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not >>>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from >>>> orient >>>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present >>>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and > ratinale >> is >>>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any >>>>>> religious person. >>>>>> >>>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal >>>> expereinces >>>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. > unfortunately >>>> in >>>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions > and >>>> try >>>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not >> get >>>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. >>>> similarly >>>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results > and >>>> hence >>>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the > best >>>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to >>>> alcohol >>>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt > get >>>> it. >>>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite > his >>>> being >>>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and >>>> start >>>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy > and >>>> has >>>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his >> ancestors, >>>> he >>>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his >>>> previous >>>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins >> which >>>> is >>>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations > and >> are >>>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles. >>>>>> >>>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal >>>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, > so >>>> that >>>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular >> remedy >>>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many >> people >>>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is >>>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he > cannot >>>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved >> best >>>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies. >>>>>> >>>>>> with best wishes >>>>>> pandit arjun >>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >> <jyotish@> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra > by >>>> any >>>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and > we >>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ >>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 > tantra >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what > Your >>>>>>>> goodself has mentioned. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if >> done >>>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) >>>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over > last >>>>>>>> 2 decades. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in > horoscope, >>>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with >> own >>>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the > superiors >>>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting >>>> regularly) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the >> house. >>>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female >>>> members >>>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure >> longlife >>>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, >>>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though >>>> indirectly. >>>>>>>> Thank You. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B >>>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Prafulla >>>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM >> between >>>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for >> diff >>>>>>>> planets >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana > gives >>>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac >>>>>> diorders. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also > help >> for >>>>>> many >>>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on >>>> respirotary >>>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother >> religious >>>>>> works >>>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is >>>>>> prescribed, >>>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available. >>>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew > them >>>> so >>>>>> did >>>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine >> systems >>>>>> to get >>>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try > it >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too >> who >>>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system > do >> try >>>>>> whole >>>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as >>>>>> breathing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know >> muslims >>>>>> who >>>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there > was >> a >>>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can > take a >>>>>> look in >>>>>>>> archives. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>>>>>>> wrote: > Dear >>>> Shri >>>>>>>> Kumar ji >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to > me): >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native > for >>>> the >>>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental >>>>>> strengtht to >>>>>>>> find realistic solutions >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any > role, >>>> if >>>>>> any. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as >> possible, >>>>>> must >>>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of >> suggesting >>>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more >>>> authentic >>>>>>>> remedies >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored > the >>>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of > the >>>>>> planet. >>>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic > shani) - >>>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit >> more >>>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment >> little >>>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This > may >>>> tone >>>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in > coping >> up >>>>>> with >>>>>>>> challenges. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, >> and >>>> we >>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > 23/7 - >> 4 >>>>>> tantra >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Prafulla, >>>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r >>>>>> offshoots >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, > evil >>>>>> design >>>>>>>> or black >>>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and >> helped >>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to >> watch >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> rise of >>>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions >> have >>>>>> very >>>>>>>> intense >>>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in >>>> tantras >>>>>> (do >>>>>>>> not mix >>>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce >> it, >>>>>> and >>>>>>>> we star in >>>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] >>>>>> 23/27 -2 >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla, >>>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies > r >> not >>>>>>>> bbeong done or >>>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, > hen >> or >>>>>> child >>>>>>>> or huam >>>>>>>>> > so >>>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was >>>> excessive >>>>>>>> balis then >>>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear > if >>>>>> there >>>>>>>> was no >>>>>>>>> > rain or >>>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of >>>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism, >>>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific >>>>>> religion, >>>>>>>> then why >>>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, > suggesting >>>>>>>> something which >>>>>>>>> > is >>>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, >>>> religion >>>>>>>> etc). >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we >> produce >>>>>> it, >>>>>>>> and we star >>>>>>>>> > in >>>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ >>>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying >> with >>>>>> more >>>>>>>> food for >>>>>>>>> > > > thought. >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am >> sorry >>>>>> dear >>>>>>>> tolerant >>>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- >>>>>> religious/non- >>>>>>>> ritual >>>>>>>>> > type >>>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly > fail >> to >>>>>>>> notice the >>>>>>>>> > strength >>>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive >>>>>> mother >>>>>>>> to do her >>>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father >>>>>> scientist >>>>>>>> manager >>>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual >>>>>>>> scriptures such as >>>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very >> intensively >>>>>>>> tuning into >>>>>>>>> > that >>>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core >>>>>> scientist >>>>>>>> and one of >>>>>>>>> > the >>>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, >>>>>> europe >>>>>>>> trained and >>>>>>>>> > all >>>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the >> wall >>>>>> next >>>>>>>> to his bed >>>>>>>>> > for >>>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and >>>>>> Ramakrishna >>>>>>>> in the next >>>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This >> man >>>>>> always >>>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed >>>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never >>>> really >>>>>>>> stopped me >>>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being >> successful >>>>>> at a >>>>>>>> few things >>>>>>>>> > in >>>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. > There >>>> was >>>>>> a >>>>>>>> moment when >>>>>>>>> > I >>>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology >>>>>>>> miscellany quizzes >>>>>>>>> > in >>>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly >> showed >>>>>> it >>>>>>>> to him. He >>>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even > today! >>>>>> One of >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>> > favourite >>>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! >>>> Unfortunately >>>>>>>> most of us do >>>>>>>>> > not >>>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being >> irrelevant. >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality >> has >>>>>> much >>>>>>>> more power >>>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is >>>>>> FLEXIBLE, >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> > respects >>>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades >> through >>>>>> each >>>>>>>> and every >>>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is > the >>>>>> fullest >>>>>>>>> > expression of >>>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully >>>>>> enjoying >>>>>>>> those, >>>>>>>>> > never >>>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > RR >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > , >> srinivasa >>>>>>>> murthy adavi >>>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir >>>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words- >>>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that > wherever >>>>>>>> cosmological >>>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them > God >>>>>> reveals >>>>>>>> himself >>>>>>>>> > in >>>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom >>>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu > and >>>>>> Shiva >>>>>>>> along with >>>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva >> etc,and >>>>>>>> others like >>>>>>>>> > Shirdi >>>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus >>>> Christ,Prophet >>>>>>>> Mohammed etc >>>>>>>>> > all >>>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods > for >>>>>>>> bringing in the >>>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. >>>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more >> madeout >>>> by >>>>>>>> selfish >>>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain >>>> false >>>>>>>> sympathy and >>>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more >>>>>> personal >>>>>>>> or for a >>>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). >>>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code- >> The >>>>>> people >>>>>>>> (some) >>>>>>>>> > are >>>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae >>>> theselves >>>>>>>> are not >>>>>>>>> > > bothering >>>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here > the >>>>>>>> question is the >>>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of >>>> creativeness >>>>>>>> and freedom >>>>>>>>> > of >>>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna >>>> married >>>>>> 8 >>>>>>>> women and >>>>>>>>> > gave >>>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other > wives,the >>>>>> truth >>>>>>>> was never >>>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world > the >>>>>>>> importance of >>>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form > of >>>>>>>> TheDivine even >>>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed > as >>>>>> truth >>>>>>>> that jesus >>>>>>>>> > was >>>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take > liberty >> (in >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> name of >>>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the >>>>>> truth.Some >>>>>>>> day we >>>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the > branch >>>> on >>>>>>>> which we're >>>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish >>>>>> desires >>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of >>>>>> religious >>>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll >>>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami >>>> without >>>>>>>> warning.So >>>>>>>>> > please >>>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom > of >>>>>>>> expression media >>>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed > dangerous >>>>>>>> boundaries. >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > >> regards >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > >> Sri, >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your >>>>>> message >>>>>>>> but when >>>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the >>>> image >>>>>> of >>>>>>>> a Kind and >>>>>>>>> > > > Wise >>>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best >>>>>> interests >>>>>>>>> > (actually >>>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any > parent!) >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief > have >>>>>> stood >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>> > religions >>>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, > would >>>>>> they >>>>>>>> still be >>>>>>>>> > here? >>>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity >> that >>>>>> has >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>> > > > associated >>>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or >> another. >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though >>>> with >>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> > difficulty! >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > >> RR >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > >> , >>>> srinivasa >>>>>>>> murthy adavi >>>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based > on >>>> the >>>>>>>> sermon >>>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- >>>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a >>>>>> particular >>>>>>>> mantra(when >>>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja > done >>>>>> based >>>>>>>> on saatwik >>>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH >>>> AdiSankaracharya >>>>>> or >>>>>>>> Other >>>>>>>>> > Revered >>>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if >>>> prescribed >>>>>>>> mantra is >>>>>>>>> > the >>>>>>>>> > > > apt >>>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will > lead >>>> to >>>>>> a >>>>>>>> proper >>>>>>>>> > person >>>>>>>>> > > > at >>>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such >> that >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> native >>>>>>>>> > gets >>>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner >>>>>> fortitude >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> > withstand >>>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without >>>> letting >>>>>>>> him loose >>>>>>>>> > his >>>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in >> our >>>>>> work >>>>>>>> spot if we >>>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he >>>> will >>>>>>>> solve himself >>>>>>>>> > > > (if >>>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he >>>> will >>>>>>>> direct us to >>>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the >>>>>>>> authorised one). >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your > observation. >>>> The >>>>>>>> quick remedy >>>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer > too. >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for >>>>>> shani, >>>>>>>> mars, >>>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu >>>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for >> example - >>>>>>>> jyotishi >>>>>>>>> > suggest >>>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make > sense? >>>>>> and if >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> > native >>>>>>>>> > > > is >>>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following >> krishna's >>>>>>>> pooja; then >>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, >> then >>>>>> it >>>>>>>> must also >>>>>>>>> > be >>>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / > afliction >>>> etc >>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>> > remedied >>>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age > (or >>>> say >>>>>>>> which dasha >>>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to > invoke >>>>>>>> powers) require >>>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, > not >>>> all >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such >> rituals >>>>>> well. >>>>>>>> and if >>>>>>>>> > does >>>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the > standard >>>>>> excuse >>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined >>>>>> vidhi of >>>>>>>> surya >>>>>>>>> > naman >>>>>>>>> > > > ( >>>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain >>>>>> circumstances), >>>>>>>> offering >>>>>>>>> > > > water >>>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja >> etc. >>>> I >>>>>> do >>>>>>>> not think, >>>>>>>>> > > > the >>>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is > going >> to >>>>>> help >>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - > how >> do >>>> we >>>>>>>> know, if the >>>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not >> required >>>>>> any >>>>>>>> more? >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we >>>>>> produce >>>>>>>> it, and we >>>>>>>>> > > > star >>>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > life!! >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture > at >>>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya >>>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting >>>>>> proffessor ,told >>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>> > students >>>>>>>>> > > > a >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in >>>>>>>> remedies,without >>>>>>>>> > > > knowledge, >>>>>>>>> > > >> its >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many > times, >>>> of >>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> > statement >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results >>>>>> forthcoming >>>>>>>> or news >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong > remedy >> is >>>>>>>> suggested. Also >>>>>>>>> > > > it >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the > astrologer, >>>>>> when he >>>>>>>> suggests >>>>>>>>> > so >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is >> saying. >>>>>> For >>>>>>>> eg.for >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the > native >> to >>>> do >>>>>>>> pooja of >>>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the >>>> shakti >>>>>>>> may be one, >>>>>>>>> > > > but >>>>>>>>> > > >> the >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas > like >>>>>> sattwa, >>>>>>>> tamas or >>>>>>>>> > > >> rajas. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the > native ? >>>>>> Also >>>>>>>> at times >>>>>>>>> > > > stones >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the >>>> divine >>>>>>>> couloured >>>>>>>>> > rays >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case >>>>>> solidified >>>>>>>>> > state),also >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if >> suggested >>>>>>>> wrongly. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for >> Mahadasha >>>>>>>> lord, some for >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While >>>>>> suggesting >>>>>>>> the stone >>>>>>>>> > at >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric >>>> results >>>>>>>> also which >>>>>>>>> > > > would >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. > For >>>>>> ex.Libra >>>>>>>>> > > > native.Will >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? >> Only >>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>> > from >>>>>>>>> > > >> the >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. >>>>>> Talking of >>>>>>>> mantras, >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the > rishi >>>>>> munis >>>>>>>> of ancient >>>>>>>>> > > >> times >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple >>>> recite >>>>>>>> the mantra >>>>>>>>> > in >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the >> same >>>>>>>> mantra >>>>>>>>> > wrongly, >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of > course >>>> they >>>>>>>> had the >>>>>>>>> > power >>>>>>>>> > > > to >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and > then, >>>> but >>>>>>>> what about >>>>>>>>> > us >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for >>>> long, >>>>>> but >>>>>>>> the point >>>>>>>>> > > > is, >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting >>>>>> remedies. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards, >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> , >>>> Prafulla >>>>>>>> Gang >>>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so >>>>>> please >>>>>>>> do not >>>>>>>>> > > > misread >>>>>>>>> > > >> me. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult > combinations, >>>>>> curses >>>>>>>> etc in a >>>>>>>>> > > > chart >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures > (per >>>> his >>>>>>>> experience). >>>>>>>>> > > >> Native >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some >> remedy >>>>>> (may >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> > > > alternative >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) > knowingly >> or >>>>>>>> unknowlingly >>>>>>>>> > > > (for >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful >>>> remedy >>>>>> for >>>>>>>> rahu / >>>>>>>>> > > > ketu; >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without >>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>> it as >>>>>>>>> > remedy >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket >>>>>> recommendation >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> > > > remedies, >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / >> daily >>>>>>>> routine etc. >>>>>>>>> > > >> Should >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - >>>> Specifically - >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the >>>> curse / >>>>>>>> affliction >>>>>>>>> > > >> related >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more > required? >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at >>>>>> respective >>>>>>>> planetary >>>>>>>>> > > >> ages >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are >> considered >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be fully >>>>>>>>> > > > done >>>>>>>>> > > >> or >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist >> like. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good >> practice >>>>>> of >>>>>>>> suggesting >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; > especially >>>>>> around >>>>>>>> mantras. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - > must >> be >>>>>> in >>>>>>>> line with >>>>>>>>> > > >> native's >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras > etc >>>>>> involve >>>>>>>> lots of >>>>>>>>> > > >> rituals >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and >>>> assessment >>>>>> of >>>>>>>> its need >>>>>>>>> > is >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be > dealt >> so >>>>>>>> casually by >>>>>>>>> > > > fellow >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the >> list >>>>>>>> astrologers) >>>>>>>>> > and >>>>>>>>> > > >> to a >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for >>>> getting >>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, > we >>>>>> produce >>>>>>>> it, and >>>>>>>>> > we >>>>>>>>> > > >> star >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your >> life!! >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam >>>>>>>> protection around >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been >>>>>> removed] >>>>>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear Akhil ji I am sorry, I missed your post, while requesting for lal kitab remedies. if I remember, per lal kitab, sun becomes malefic under various combinations (e.g. being in 7th etc) and remedies are different for each such possibility. regards / Prafulla Gang After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > akhil_astro (AT) (DOT) co.in > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:55:25 +0100 (BST) > > Re: Re: new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN > > Dear Group members, > > according to Lalkitab, if Rahu occupies the lagna then also Sun gives > malefic effects. Should we consider this also as an affliction while > suggesting remedies for Sun? Lalkitab suggest following remedies to be > done in addition to the remedies for Sun; > Immerse pooja nariyal in flowing water. > Wear silver in neck. > > Best Regards, > > Akhil Jain > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Dear PanditArjunji, > > Good first move made by You and suggested by Prafullji. > I add what comes to mind immediately, > > also reciting Adita Hrdyam daily. > Getting Surya pooja done at any Navgraha mandir on Sunday > by Pandit with red cloth offered to Surya Bhagwan). > behaving properly,respectful with elders in family. > > Bhaskar. > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004 wrote: >> >> dear prafullaji >> >> as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS >> discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we mean >> remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that >> particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with >> which the native stands benefited. >> >> so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. when >> sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in >> conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and >> ketu, we find negative results. >> >> following are the general remedies which can be followed for any >> type of sun related problems: >> >> 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day >> 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day >> 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven horses >> and offering it a red flower daily. >> 4. fasting on sundays. >> 5. donate wheat grains. >> 6. donate food to blind people. >> 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. >> 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. >> 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol. >> >> members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the reasoning >> or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my >> understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and >> hence can be done as an upay for sun. >> >> this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all >> remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are >> free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more >> light. >> >> with best wishes >> pandit arjun >> >> >> >> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji, >>> >>> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to > structure >> this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, >> then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their >> experiences / various remedies. >>> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>> >>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> panditarjun2004@ >>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 >>>> >>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra >>>> >>>> dear friends >>>> >>>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to >>>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply >>>> facts, references and past results with various people from > which >>>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to > discuss >> one >>>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we >>>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution > this >>>> group would have ever got. >>>> >>>> with best wishes >>>> pandit arjun >>>> >>>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji >>>>> >>>>> Very well said. >>>>> >>>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the >> remedies >>>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar > Mantra >> is >>>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and > fasting >>>> system for shani / ketu. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary >>>> factor. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for >>>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started >>>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is >> required (I >>>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already > fixed >>>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / >> transit / >>>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). >>>>> >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>> >>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> panditarjun2004@ >>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 >>>>>> >>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra >>>>>> >>>>>> dear friends >>>>>> >>>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells >>>> well >>>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the >>>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, >>>>>> periodically in all groups. >>>>>> >>>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan > for >>>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. >>>>>> >>>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that >>>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by >> ALL >>>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL > religions. >>>>>> >>>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other >> religions >>>> DO >>>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a >>>> person >>>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, >>>> these >>>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as >>>> devotees >>>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like >>>> prafulla >>>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih >>>> both >>>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains >>>> along >>>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which >>>> are >>>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some >>>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, >>>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. >>>>>> >>>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies >>>> with >>>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, >>>> chartered >>>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law >>>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the >> PRESENT >>>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when >>>> comes >>>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not >>>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from >>>> orient >>>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present >>>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale >> is >>>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any >>>>>> religious person. >>>>>> >>>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal >>>> expereinces >>>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. > unfortunately >>>> in >>>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and >>>> try >>>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not >> get >>>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. >>>> similarly >>>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and >>>> hence >>>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best >>>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to >>>> alcohol >>>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt > get >>>> it. >>>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his >>>> being >>>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and >>>> start >>>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy > and >>>> has >>>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his >> ancestors, >>>> he >>>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his >>>> previous >>>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins >> which >>>> is >>>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and >> are >>>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles. >>>>>> >>>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal >>>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, > so >>>> that >>>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular >> remedy >>>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many >> people >>>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is >>>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he > cannot >>>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved >> best >>>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies. >>>>>> >>>>>> with best wishes >>>>>> pandit arjun >>>>>> , Prafulla Gang >> <jyotish@> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra > by >>>> any >>>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and > we >>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ >>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what > Your >>>>>>>> goodself has mentioned. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if >> done >>>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) >>>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last >>>>>>>> 2 decades. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in > horoscope, >>>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with >> own >>>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors >>>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting >>>> regularly) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the >> house. >>>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female >>>> members >>>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure >> longlife >>>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, >>>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though >>>> indirectly. >>>>>>>> Thank You. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B >>>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Prafulla >>>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM >> between >>>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for >> diff >>>>>>>> planets >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives >>>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac >>>>>> diorders. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help >> for >>>>>> many >>>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on >>>> respirotary >>>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother >> religious >>>>>> works >>>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is >>>>>> prescribed, >>>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available. >>>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew > them >>>> so >>>>>> did >>>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine >> systems >>>>>> to get >>>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too >> who >>>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do >> try >>>>>> whole >>>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as >>>>>> breathing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know >> muslims >>>>>> who >>>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there > was >> a >>>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take > a >>>>>> look in >>>>>>>> archives. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>>>>>>> wrote: Dear >>>> Shri >>>>>>>> Kumar ji >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for >>>> the >>>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental >>>>>> strengtht to >>>>>>>> find realistic solutions >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any > role, >>>> if >>>>>> any. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as >> possible, >>>>>> must >>>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of >> suggesting >>>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more >>>> authentic >>>>>>>> remedies >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the >>>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of > the >>>>>> planet. >>>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - >>>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit >> more >>>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment >> little >>>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may >>>> tone >>>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in > coping >> up >>>>>> with >>>>>>>> challenges. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, >> and >>>> we >>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > 23/7 - >> 4 >>>>>> tantra >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Prafulla, >>>>>>>>>> I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r >>>>>> offshoots >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil >>>>>> design >>>>>>>> or black >>>>>>>>>> magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and >> helped >>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> popularising the religion). But interesting thing to >> watch >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> rise of >>>>>>>>>> tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions >> have >>>>>> very >>>>>>>> intense >>>>>>>>>> reference to tantras and their monks are trained in >>>> tantras >>>>>> (do >>>>>>>> not mix >>>>>>>>>> with black magic), as part of their curriculum. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce >> it, >>>>>> and >>>>>>>> we star in >>>>>>>>>> it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ >>>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> RE: Re: remedies [communication...] >>>>>> 23/27 -2 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla, >>>>>>>>>>> the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r >> not >>>>>>>> bbeong done or >>>>>>>>>>> advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen >> or >>>>>> child >>>>>>>> or huam >>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>> the rest of the points don't count. there was >>>> excessive >>>>>>>> balis then >>>>>>>>>>> beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if >>>>>> there >>>>>>>> was no >>>>>>>>>> rain or >>>>>>>>>>> some for monetry reasons. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Ranjan ji >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of >>>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism, >>>>>>>>>>> Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific >>>>>> religion, >>>>>>>> then why >>>>>>>>>>> religious remedies in astrology? Why not, > suggesting >>>>>>>> something which >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> easy to follow for any person (cross territory, >>>> religion >>>>>>>> etc). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we >> produce >>>>>> it, >>>>>>>> and we star >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> jyotish_vani@ >>>>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Srinivas, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying >> with >>>>>> more >>>>>>>> food for >>>>>>>>>>>> thought. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am >> sorry >>>>>> dear >>>>>>>> tolerant >>>>>>>>>>>> forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- >>>>>> religious/non- >>>>>>>> ritual >>>>>>>>>> type >>>>>>>>>>>> family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail >> to >>>>>>>> notice the >>>>>>>>>> strength >>>>>>>>>>>> of conviction of my rather meek and submissive >>>>>> mother >>>>>>>> to do her >>>>>>>>>>>> tuesday fast while my my very rational father >>>>>> scientist >>>>>>>> manager >>>>>>>>>>>> father always being interested in intellectual >>>>>>>> scriptures such as >>>>>>>>>>>> those written by Vivekananda and very >> intensively >>>>>>>> tuning into >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core >>>>>> scientist >>>>>>>> and one of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, >>>>>> europe >>>>>>>> trained and >>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>> that had four plaster of paris images on the >> wall >>>>>> next >>>>>>>> to his bed >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and >>>>>> Ramakrishna >>>>>>>> in the next >>>>>>>>>>>> layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This >> man >>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>> pooh-poohed >>>>>>>>>>>> my interest in astrology and occult but never >>>> really >>>>>>>> stopped me >>>>>>>>>>>> either. I have been fortunate in being >> successful >>>>>> at a >>>>>>>> few things >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> life which he would have wanted me to be. There >>>> was >>>>>> a >>>>>>>> moment when >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> had corrected figured out one of the Astrology >>>>>>>> miscellany quizzes >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly >> showed >>>>>> it >>>>>>>> to him. He >>>>>>>>>>>> beamed a smile at me that I treasure even > today! >>>>>> One of >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>> favourite >>>>>>>>>>>> quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And success is a personal perception! >>>> Unfortunately >>>>>>>> most of us do >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> come to terms with that. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This may strike some readers as being >> irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What I am trying to tell is that spirituality >> has >>>>>> much >>>>>>>> more power >>>>>>>>>>>> than religion or religiousness because it is >>>>>> FLEXIBLE, >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> respects >>>>>>>>>>>> emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades >> through >>>>>> each >>>>>>>> and every >>>>>>>>>>>> activity that we associate with life! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Krishna embodies and represents all that is the >>>>>> fullest >>>>>>>>>> expression of >>>>>>>>>>>> human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully >>>>>> enjoying >>>>>>>> those, >>>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>>>>> forgetting WHO we truly are! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> RR >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> , >> srinivasa >>>>>>>> murthy adavi >>>>>>>>>>>> <smadavi@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sir >>>>>>>>>>>>> A few more words- >>>>>>>>>>>>> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever >>>>>>>> cosmological >>>>>>>>>>>> imbalances occur in order to set right them God >>>>>> reveals >>>>>>>> himself >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom >>>>>>>>>>>> Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu > and >>>>>> Shiva >>>>>>>> along with >>>>>>>>>>>> respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva >> etc,and >>>>>>>> others like >>>>>>>>>> Shirdi >>>>>>>>>>>> Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus >>>> Christ,Prophet >>>>>>>> Mohammed etc >>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>> are his manifestations with varying methods > for >>>>>>>> bringing in the >>>>>>>>>>>> cosmological harmony. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Coming to religious wars ,they're more >> madeout >>>> by >>>>>>>> selfish >>>>>>>>>>>> individuals keeping the religious mask to gain >>>> false >>>>>>>> sympathy and >>>>>>>>>>>> despicable justification of their desires(more >>>>>> personal >>>>>>>> or for a >>>>>>>>>>>> choosen few , rather than for universal good). >>>>>>>>>>>>> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code- >> The >>>>>> people >>>>>>>> (some) >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>> arguing thatif the Christian countries rae >>>> theselves >>>>>>>> are not >>>>>>>>>>> bothering >>>>>>>>>>>> (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the >>>>>>>> question is the >>>>>>>>>>>> falsification of a truth in the name of >>>> creativeness >>>>>>>> and freedom >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna >>>> married >>>>>> 8 >>>>>>>> women and >>>>>>>>>> gave >>>>>>>>>>>> succour and protection to 160000 other > wives,the >>>>>> truth >>>>>>>> was never >>>>>>>>>>>> supressed and it was told telling the world the >>>>>>>> importance of >>>>>>>>>>>> adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form > of >>>>>>>> TheDivine even >>>>>>>>>>>> overriding the belief.So,when it was believed > as >>>>>> truth >>>>>>>> that jesus >>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>> a celibate then why should people take liberty >> (in >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> name of >>>>>>>>>>>> harmless creative expression) to falsify the >>>>>> truth.Some >>>>>>>> day we >>>>>>>>>>>> realise by such bashing we're cutting the > branch >>>> on >>>>>>>> which we're >>>>>>>>>>>> sitting.In order to justify their own selfish >>>>>> desires >>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>> individuals are resorting to undermining of >>>>>> religious >>>>>>>>>> tenets.We'll >>>>>>>>>>>> face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami >>>> without >>>>>>>> warning.So >>>>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>>>> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of >>>>>>>> expression media >>>>>>>>>>>> (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed > dangerous >>>>>>>> boundaries. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> srinivas >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sri, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please do not take this as a critique of your >>>>>> message >>>>>>>> but when >>>>>>>>>>>>> reading and rereading your posting I get the >>>> image >>>>>> of >>>>>>>> a Kind and >>>>>>>>>>>> Wise >>>>>>>>>>>>> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best >>>>>> interests >>>>>>>>>> (actually >>>>>>>>>>>>> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On this timeless faith and personal belief > have >>>>>> stood >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> religions >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, > would >>>>>> they >>>>>>>> still be >>>>>>>>>> here? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity >> that >>>>>> has >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>> associated >>>>>>>>>>>>> with and used to tarnish one religion or >> another. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though >>>> with >>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>> difficulty! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> RR >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> , >>>> srinivasa >>>>>>>> murthy adavi >>>>>>>>>>>>> <smadavi@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A few words on this subject that were based > on >>>> the >>>>>>>> sermon >>>>>>>>>>>>> recieved by me from a kind soul- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a >>>>>> particular >>>>>>>> mantra(when >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja > done >>>>>> based >>>>>>>> on saatwik >>>>>>>>>>>>> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH >>>> AdiSankaracharya >>>>>> or >>>>>>>> Other >>>>>>>>>> Revered >>>>>>>>>>>>> souls) will either have direct effect(if >>>> prescribed >>>>>>>> mantra is >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> apt >>>>>>>>>>>>> one for a particular situation) or it will > lead >>>> to >>>>>> a >>>>>>>> proper >>>>>>>>>> person >>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>> proper time to another right individual such >> that >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> native >>>>>>>>>> gets >>>>>>>>>>>>> relieved of the suffering or develops inner >>>>>> fortitude >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> withstand >>>>>>>>>>>>> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without >>>> letting >>>>>>>> him loose >>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in >> our >>>>>> work >>>>>>>> spot if we >>>>>>>>>>>>> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he >>>> will >>>>>>>> solve himself >>>>>>>>>>>> (if >>>>>>>>>>>>> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he >>>> will >>>>>>>> direct us to >>>>>>>>>>>>> competent person-of helpful attitude and the >>>>>>>> authorised one). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> srinivas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, you are very correct in your > observation. >>>> The >>>>>>>> quick remedy >>>>>>>>>>>>> prescription can be harmful for astrologer > too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for >>>>>> shani, >>>>>>>> mars, >>>>>>>>>>>> rahu/ketu >>>>>>>>>>>>> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for >> example - >>>>>>>> jyotishi >>>>>>>>>> suggest >>>>>>>>>>>>> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make > sense? >>>>>> and if >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> native >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> displaying his discomfort in following >> krishna's >>>>>>>> pooja; then >>>>>>>>>>>>> astrologer starts putting tough words... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, >> then >>>>>> it >>>>>>>> must also >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>> indicating somewhere, if such curse / > afliction >>>> etc >>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>> remedied >>>>>>>>>>>>> or not; and if it can be - then at what age > (or >>>> say >>>>>>>> which dasha >>>>>>>>>>>>> bhukti etc)... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to > invoke >>>>>>>> powers) require >>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not >>>> all >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting those mantras know about such >> rituals >>>>>> well. >>>>>>>> and if >>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>> not work for native, faith becomes the > standard >>>>>> excuse >>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>>>>> astrologer. For example - there is predefined >>>>>> vidhi of >>>>>>>> surya >>>>>>>>>> naman >>>>>>>>>>>> ( >>>>>>>>>>>>> and can not be performed under certain >>>>>> circumstances), >>>>>>>> offering >>>>>>>>>>>> water >>>>>>>>>>>>> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja >> etc. >>>> I >>>>>> do >>>>>>>> not think, >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> standard prescription to any native, is going >> to >>>>>> help >>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>>>> adhering to rituals. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how >> do >>>> we >>>>>>>> know, if the >>>>>>>>>>>>> remedy will work? is working? or is not >> required >>>>>> any >>>>>>>> more? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we >>>>>> produce >>>>>>>> it, and we >>>>>>>>>>>> star >>>>>>>>>>>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Re: remedies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear members, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at >>>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya >>>>>>>>>>>>> mandir, a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very noted astrologer and visiting >>>>>> proffessor ,told >>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>>> students >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in >>>>>>>> remedies,without >>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge, >>>>>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many > times, >>>> of >>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> statement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when a native comes back with no results >>>>>> forthcoming >>>>>>>> or news >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy >> is >>>>>>>> suggested. Also >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, >>>>>> when he >>>>>>>> suggests >>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without actual deep study of what he is >> saying. >>>>>> For >>>>>>>> eg.for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native >> to >>>> do >>>>>>>> pooja of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lakshmi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the >>>> shakti >>>>>>>> may be one, >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manifestations may have different gunas like >>>>>> sattwa, >>>>>>>> tamas or >>>>>>>>>>>>> rajas. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are we sure what we want to give the > native ? >>>>>> Also >>>>>>>> at times >>>>>>>>>>>> stones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which are concentrated depositories of the >>>> divine >>>>>>>> couloured >>>>>>>>>> rays >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of which we are all made of (in this case >>>>>> solidified >>>>>>>>>> state),also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can play havoc on the natives life if >> suggested >>>>>>>> wrongly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some suggest to the native stones for >> Mahadasha >>>>>>>> lord, some for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While >>>>>> suggesting >>>>>>>> the stone >>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric >>>> results >>>>>>>> also which >>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For >>>>>> ex.Libra >>>>>>>>>>>> native.Will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? >> Only >>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. >>>>>> Talking of >>>>>>>> mantras, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi >>>>>> munis >>>>>>>> of ancient >>>>>>>>>>>>> times >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to sit together and make one disciple >>>> recite >>>>>>>> the mantra >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right manner and another to recite the >> same >>>>>>>> mantra >>>>>>>>>> wrongly, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course >>>> they >>>>>>>> had the >>>>>>>>>> power >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mitigate the negative effects there and > then, >>>> but >>>>>>>> what about >>>>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for >>>> long, >>>>>> but >>>>>>>> the point >>>>>>>>>>>> is, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting >>>>>> remedies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , >>>> Prafulla >>>>>>>> Gang >>>>>>>>>>>> <jyotish@> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so >>>>>> please >>>>>>>> do not >>>>>>>>>>>> misread >>>>>>>>>>>>> me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, >>>>>> curses >>>>>>>> etc in a >>>>>>>>>>>> chart >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures > (per >>>> his >>>>>>>> experience). >>>>>>>>>>>>> Native >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might have already been performing some >> remedy >>>>>> (may >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> alternative >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one, but towards the same purpose) > knowingly >> or >>>>>>>> unknowlingly >>>>>>>>>>>> (for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful >>>> remedy >>>>>> for >>>>>>>> rahu / >>>>>>>>>>>> ketu; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without >>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>> it as >>>>>>>>>> remedy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc). My questions are around blanket >>>>>> recommendation >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> remedies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without knowing te native's past events / >> daily >>>>>>>> routine etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remedies be suggested like this - >>>> Specifically - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the >>>> curse / >>>>>>>> affliction >>>>>>>>>>>>> related >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remedy is already done and no more required? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at >>>>>> respective >>>>>>>> planetary >>>>>>>>>>>>> ages >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are >> considered >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be fully >>>>>>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist >> like. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without good experience, is it a good >> practice >>>>>> of >>>>>>>> suggesting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially >>>>>> around >>>>>>>> mantras. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prescription of mantras are something - > must >> be >>>>>> in >>>>>>>> line with >>>>>>>>>>>>> native's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc >>>>>> involve >>>>>>>> lots of >>>>>>>>>>>>> rituals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for effective rituals. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and >>>> assessment >>>>>> of >>>>>>>> its need >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt >> so >>>>>>>> casually by >>>>>>>>>>>> fellow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the >> list >>>>>>>> astrologers) >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large extent, natives are responsible for >>>> getting >>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary "vaham". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we >>>>>> produce >>>>>>>> it, and >>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> star >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in it. 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 dear friends i am very happy to see so many supplementing additions to the remedies of sun. lalkitab is unique in offering different remedies for each planet in each house e.g. for sun the remedies are like throwing copper coins in a river, throwing gud (jaggery) in a river etc. yes, as rightly observed by akhilji, lalkitab is an unique astro system in which a planet gives negative results due to vicarious reasons like enemies sitting in the karaka house of the planet, conjunction of two planets giving the result of a different planet etc. since we are focusing only on remedies, i request all contributors to add as many remedies as they can and also pose queries and doubts on any remedies suggested already like a open house discussion. with best wishes pandit arjun , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Akhil ji > > I am sorry, I missed your post, while requesting for lal kitab remedies. if I remember, per lal kitab, sun becomes malefic under various combinations (e.g. being in 7th etc) and remedies are different for each such possibility. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > akhil_astro > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:55:25 +0100 (BST) > > > > Re: Re: new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN > > > > Dear Group members, > > > > according to Lalkitab, if Rahu occupies the lagna then also Sun gives > > malefic effects. Should we consider this also as an affliction while > > suggesting remedies for Sun? Lalkitab suggest following remedies to be > > done in addition to the remedies for Sun; > > Immerse pooja nariyal in flowing water. > > Wear silver in neck. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Akhil Jain > > > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear PanditArjunji, > > > > Good first move made by You and suggested by Prafullji. > > I add what comes to mind immediately, > > > > also reciting Adita Hrdyam daily. > > Getting Surya pooja done at any Navgraha mandir on Sunday > > by Pandit with red cloth offered to Surya Bhagwan). > > behaving properly,respectful with elders in family. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > >> > >> dear prafullaji > >> > >> as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS > >> discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we mean > >> remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that > >> particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with > >> which the native stands benefited. > >> > >> so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. when > >> sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in > >> conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and > >> ketu, we find negative results. > >> > >> following are the general remedies which can be followed for any > >> type of sun related problems: > >> > >> 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > >> 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > >> 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven horses > >> and offering it a red flower daily. > >> 4. fasting on sundays. > >> 5. donate wheat grains. > >> 6. donate food to blind people. > >> 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > >> 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > >> 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol. > >> > >> members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the reasoning > >> or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my > >> understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and > >> hence can be done as an upay for sun. > >> > >> this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all > >> remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are > >> free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more > >> light. > >> > >> with best wishes > >> pandit arjun > >> > >> > >> > >> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > >>> > >>> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to > > structure > >> this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, > >> then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their > >> experiences / various remedies. > >>> > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>> > >>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> panditarjun2004@ > >>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > >>>> > >>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>> > >>>> dear friends > >>>> > >>>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to > >>>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply > >>>> facts, references and past results with various people from > > which > >>>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to > > discuss > >> one > >>>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we > >>>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution > > this > >>>> group would have ever got. > >>>> > >>>> with best wishes > >>>> pandit arjun > >>>> > >>>> , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > >>>>> > >>>>> Very well said. > >>>>> > >>>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > >> remedies > >>>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar > > Mantra > >> is > >>>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and > > fasting > >>>> system for shani / ketu. > >>>>> > >>>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary > >>>> factor. > >>>>> > >>>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for > >>>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started > >>>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > >> required (I > >>>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already > > fixed > >>>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > >> transit / > >>>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > >>>>> > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>> > >>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> panditarjun2004@ > >>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>>> > >>>>>> dear friends > >>>>>> > >>>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells > >>>> well > >>>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the > >>>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, > >>>>>> periodically in all groups. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan > > for > >>>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that > >>>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by > >> ALL > >>>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL > > religions. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > >> religions > >>>> DO > >>>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a > >>>> person > >>>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, > >>>> these > >>>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as > >>>> devotees > >>>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > >>>> prafulla > >>>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih > >>>> both > >>>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains > >>>> along > >>>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which > >>>> are > >>>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > >>>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, > >>>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies > >>>> with > >>>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > >>>> chartered > >>>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law > >>>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > >> PRESENT > >>>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when > >>>> comes > >>>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not > >>>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from > >>>> orient > >>>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present > >>>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale > >> is > >>>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any > >>>>>> religious person. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > >>>> expereinces > >>>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. > > unfortunately > >>>> in > >>>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and > >>>> try > >>>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not > >> get > >>>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > >>>> similarly > >>>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and > >>>> hence > >>>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best > >>>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to > >>>> alcohol > >>>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt > > get > >>>> it. > >>>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his > >>>> being > >>>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and > >>>> start > >>>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy > > and > >>>> has > >>>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > >> ancestors, > >>>> he > >>>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > >>>> previous > >>>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins > >> which > >>>> is > >>>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and > >> are > >>>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal > >>>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, > > so > >>>> that > >>>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular > >> remedy > >>>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many > >> people > >>>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > >>>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he > > cannot > >>>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved > >> best > >>>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> with best wishes > >>>>>> pandit arjun > >>>>>> , Prafulla Gang > >> <jyotish@> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra > > by > >>>> any > >>>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and > > we > >>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sir, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what > > Your > >>>>>>>> goodself has mentioned. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if > >> done > >>>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > >>>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last > >>>>>>>> 2 decades. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in > > horoscope, > >>>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with > >> own > >>>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors > >>>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > >>>> regularly) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the > >> house. > >>>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > >>>> members > >>>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > >> longlife > >>>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, > >>>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > >>>> indirectly. > >>>>>>>> Thank You. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B > >>>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Prafulla > >>>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM > >> between > >>>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for > >> diff > >>>>>>>> planets > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives > >>>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > >>>>>> diorders. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help > >> for > >>>>>> many > >>>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > >>>> respirotary > >>>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > >> religious > >>>>>> works > >>>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > >>>>>> prescribed, > >>>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > >>>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew > > them > >>>> so > >>>>>> did > >>>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > >> systems > >>>>>> to get > >>>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too > >> who > >>>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do > >> try > >>>>>> whole > >>>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as > >>>>>> breathing. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know > >> muslims > >>>>>> who > >>>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there > > was > >> a > >>>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take > > a > >>>>>> look in > >>>>>>>> archives. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>>>>>>> wrote: Dear > >>>> Shri > >>>>>>>> Kumar ji > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > >>>>>> strengtht to > >>>>>>>> find realistic solutions > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any > > role, > >>>> if > >>>>>> any. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > >> possible, > >>>>>> must > >>>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > >> suggesting > >>>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > >>>> authentic > >>>>>>>> remedies > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the > >>>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of > > the > >>>>>> planet. > >>>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - > >>>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit > >> more > >>>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment > >> little > >>>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may > >>>> tone > >>>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in > > coping > >> up > >>>>>> with > >>>>>>>> challenges. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > >> and > >>>> we > >>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > > 23/7 - > >> 4 > >>>>>> tantra > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Prafulla, > >>>>>>>>>> I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r > >>>>>> offshoots > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>> vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil > >>>>>> design > >>>>>>>> or black > >>>>>>>>>> magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and > >> helped > >>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>> popularising the religion). But interesting thing to > >> watch > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> rise of > >>>>>>>>>> tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions > >> have > >>>>>> very > >>>>>>>> intense > >>>>>>>>>> reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > >>>> tantras > >>>>>> (do > >>>>>>>> not mix > >>>>>>>>>> with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > >> it, > >>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> we star in > >>>>>>>>>> it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > >>>>>> 23/27 -2 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla, > >>>>>>>>>>> the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r > >> not > >>>>>>>> bbeong done or > >>>>>>>>>>> advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen > >> or > >>>>>> child > >>>>>>>> or huam > >>>>>>>>>> so > >>>>>>>>>>> the rest of the points don't count. there was > >>>> excessive > >>>>>>>> balis then > >>>>>>>>>>> beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if > >>>>>> there > >>>>>>>> was no > >>>>>>>>>> rain or > >>>>>>>>>>> some for monetry reasons. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Ranjan ji > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of > >>>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > >>>>>>>>>>> Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific > >>>>>> religion, > >>>>>>>> then why > >>>>>>>>>>> religious remedies in astrology? Why not, > > suggesting > >>>>>>>> something which > >>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>> easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > >>>> religion > >>>>>>>> etc). > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >> produce > >>>>>> it, > >>>>>>>> and we star > >>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>> it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> jyotish_vani@ > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Srinivas, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying > >> with > >>>>>> more > >>>>>>>> food for > >>>>>>>>>>>> thought. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am > >> sorry > >>>>>> dear > >>>>>>>> tolerant > >>>>>>>>>>>> forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > >>>>>> religious/non- > >>>>>>>> ritual > >>>>>>>>>> type > >>>>>>>>>>>> family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail > >> to > >>>>>>>> notice the > >>>>>>>>>> strength > >>>>>>>>>>>> of conviction of my rather meek and submissive > >>>>>> mother > >>>>>>>> to do her > >>>>>>>>>>>> tuesday fast while my my very rational father > >>>>>> scientist > >>>>>>>> manager > >>>>>>>>>>>> father always being interested in intellectual > >>>>>>>> scriptures such as > >>>>>>>>>>>> those written by Vivekananda and very > >> intensively > >>>>>>>> tuning into > >>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>> illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core > >>>>>> scientist > >>>>>>>> and one of > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, > >>>>>> europe > >>>>>>>> trained and > >>>>>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>>>> that had four plaster of paris images on the > >> wall > >>>>>> next > >>>>>>>> to his bed > >>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>> decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > >>>>>> Ramakrishna > >>>>>>>> in the next > >>>>>>>>>>>> layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This > >> man > >>>>>> always > >>>>>>>>>> pooh-poohed > >>>>>>>>>>>> my interest in astrology and occult but never > >>>> really > >>>>>>>> stopped me > >>>>>>>>>>>> either. I have been fortunate in being > >> successful > >>>>>> at a > >>>>>>>> few things > >>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>> life which he would have wanted me to be. There > >>>> was > >>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> moment when > >>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>>>> had corrected figured out one of the Astrology > >>>>>>>> miscellany quizzes > >>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>> Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly > >> showed > >>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> to him. He > >>>>>>>>>>>> beamed a smile at me that I treasure even > > today! > >>>>>> One of > >>>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>>>> favourite > >>>>>>>>>>>> quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> And success is a personal perception! > >>>> Unfortunately > >>>>>>>> most of us do > >>>>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>>>>> come to terms with that. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> This may strike some readers as being > >> irrelevant. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> What I am trying to tell is that spirituality > >> has > >>>>>> much > >>>>>>>> more power > >>>>>>>>>>>> than religion or religiousness because it is > >>>>>> FLEXIBLE, > >>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>> respects > >>>>>>>>>>>> emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades > >> through > >>>>>> each > >>>>>>>> and every > >>>>>>>>>>>> activity that we associate with life! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Krishna embodies and represents all that is the > >>>>>> fullest > >>>>>>>>>> expression of > >>>>>>>>>>>> human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully > >>>>>> enjoying > >>>>>>>> those, > >>>>>>>>>> never > >>>>>>>>>>>> forgetting WHO we truly are! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> RR > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> , > >> srinivasa > >>>>>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>>>>>>>> <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sir > >>>>>>>>>>>>> A few more words- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever > >>>>>>>> cosmological > >>>>>>>>>>>> imbalances occur in order to set right them God > >>>>>> reveals > >>>>>>>> himself > >>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>> Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > >>>>>>>>>>>> Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu > > and > >>>>>> Shiva > >>>>>>>> along with > >>>>>>>>>>>> respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > >> etc,and > >>>>>>>> others like > >>>>>>>>>> Shirdi > >>>>>>>>>>>> Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > >>>> Christ,Prophet > >>>>>>>> Mohammed etc > >>>>>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>>>> are his manifestations with varying methods > > for > >>>>>>>> bringing in the > >>>>>>>>>>>> cosmological harmony. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > >> madeout > >>>> by > >>>>>>>> selfish > >>>>>>>>>>>> individuals keeping the religious mask to gain > >>>> false > >>>>>>>> sympathy and > >>>>>>>>>>>> despicable justification of their desires(more > >>>>>> personal > >>>>>>>> or for a > >>>>>>>>>>>> choosen few , rather than for universal good). > >>>>>>>>>>>>> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code- > >> The > >>>>>> people > >>>>>>>> (some) > >>>>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>>>> arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > >>>> theselves > >>>>>>>> are not > >>>>>>>>>>> bothering > >>>>>>>>>>>> (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the > >>>>>>>> question is the > >>>>>>>>>>>> falsification of a truth in the name of > >>>> creativeness > >>>>>>>> and freedom > >>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>> expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > >>>> married > >>>>>> 8 > >>>>>>>> women and > >>>>>>>>>> gave > >>>>>>>>>>>> succour and protection to 160000 other > > wives,the > >>>>>> truth > >>>>>>>> was never > >>>>>>>>>>>> supressed and it was told telling the world the > >>>>>>>> importance of > >>>>>>>>>>>> adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form > > of > >>>>>>>> TheDivine even > >>>>>>>>>>>> overriding the belief.So,when it was believed > > as > >>>>>> truth > >>>>>>>> that jesus > >>>>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>>>>>> a celibate then why should people take liberty > >> (in > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> name of > >>>>>>>>>>>> harmless creative expression) to falsify the > >>>>>> truth.Some > >>>>>>>> day we > >>>>>>>>>>>> realise by such bashing we're cutting the > > branch > >>>> on > >>>>>>>> which we're > >>>>>>>>>>>> sitting.In order to justify their own selfish > >>>>>> desires > >>>>>>>> these > >>>>>>>>>>>> individuals are resorting to undermining of > >>>>>> religious > >>>>>>>>>> tenets.We'll > >>>>>>>>>>>> face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > >>>> without > >>>>>>>> warning.So > >>>>>>>>>> please > >>>>>>>>>>>>> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of > >>>>>>>> expression media > >>>>>>>>>>>> (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed > > dangerous > >>>>>>>> boundaries. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> regards > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> srinivas > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sri, > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please do not take this as a critique of your > >>>>>> message > >>>>>>>> but when > >>>>>>>>>>>>> reading and rereading your posting I get the > >>>> image > >>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> a Kind and > >>>>>>>>>>>> Wise > >>>>>>>>>>>>> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best > >>>>>> interests > >>>>>>>>>> (actually > >>>>>>>>>>>>> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On this timeless faith and personal belief > > have > >>>>>> stood > >>>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>> religions > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, > > would > >>>>>> they > >>>>>>>> still be > >>>>>>>>>> here? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity > >> that > >>>>>> has > >>>>>>>> been > >>>>>>>>>>>> associated > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with and used to tarnish one religion or > >> another. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though > >>>> with > >>>>>> some > >>>>>>>>>> difficulty! > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> RR > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> , > >>>> srinivasa > >>>>>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A few words on this subject that were based > > on > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> sermon > >>>>>>>>>>>>> recieved by me from a kind soul- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > >>>>>> particular > >>>>>>>> mantra(when > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja > > done > >>>>>> based > >>>>>>>> on saatwik > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > >>>> AdiSankaracharya > >>>>>> or > >>>>>>>> Other > >>>>>>>>>> Revered > >>>>>>>>>>>>> souls) will either have direct effect(if > >>>> prescribed > >>>>>>>> mantra is > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> apt > >>>>>>>>>>>>> one for a particular situation) or it will > > lead > >>>> to > >>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> proper > >>>>>>>>>> person > >>>>>>>>>>>> at > >>>>>>>>>>>>> proper time to another right individual such > >> that > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> native > >>>>>>>>>> gets > >>>>>>>>>>>>> relieved of the suffering or develops inner > >>>>>> fortitude > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> withstand > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without > >>>> letting > >>>>>>>> him loose > >>>>>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>>>>>>> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in > >> our > >>>>>> work > >>>>>>>> spot if we > >>>>>>>>>>>>> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he > >>>> will > >>>>>>>> solve himself > >>>>>>>>>>>> (if > >>>>>>>>>>>>> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he > >>>> will > >>>>>>>> direct us to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> competent person-of helpful attitude and the > >>>>>>>> authorised one). > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> srinivas > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, you are very correct in your > > observation. > >>>> The > >>>>>>>> quick remedy > >>>>>>>>>>>>> prescription can be harmful for astrologer > > too. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for > >>>>>> shani, > >>>>>>>> mars, > >>>>>>>>>>>> rahu/ketu > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > >> example - > >>>>>>>> jyotishi > >>>>>>>>>> suggest > >>>>>>>>>>>>> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make > > sense? > >>>>>> and if > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> native > >>>>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>>>> displaying his discomfort in following > >> krishna's > >>>>>>>> pooja; then > >>>>>>>>>>>>> astrologer starts putting tough words... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, > >> then > >>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> must also > >>>>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>>>>> indicating somewhere, if such curse / > > afliction > >>>> etc > >>>>>>>> can be > >>>>>>>>>> remedied > >>>>>>>>>>>>> or not; and if it can be - then at what age > > (or > >>>> say > >>>>>>>> which dasha > >>>>>>>>>>>>> bhukti etc)... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to > > invoke > >>>>>>>> powers) require > >>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not > >>>> all > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting those mantras know about such > >> rituals > >>>>>> well. > >>>>>>>> and if > >>>>>>>>>> does > >>>>>>>>>>>>> not work for native, faith becomes the > > standard > >>>>>> excuse > >>>>>>>> for the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> astrologer. For example - there is predefined > >>>>>> vidhi of > >>>>>>>> surya > >>>>>>>>>> naman > >>>>>>>>>>>> ( > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and can not be performed under certain > >>>>>> circumstances), > >>>>>>>> offering > >>>>>>>>>>>> water > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja > >> etc. > >>>> I > >>>>>> do > >>>>>>>> not think, > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> standard prescription to any native, is going > >> to > >>>>>> help > >>>>>>>> without > >>>>>>>>>>>>> adhering to rituals. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how > >> do > >>>> we > >>>>>>>> know, if the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> remedy will work? is working? or is not > >> required > >>>>>> any > >>>>>>>> more? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>>>>> produce > >>>>>>>> it, and we > >>>>>>>>>>>> star > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Re: remedies > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear members, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at > >>>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mandir, a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > >>>>>> proffessor ,told > >>>>>>>> us > >>>>>>>>>> students > >>>>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > >>>>>>>> remedies,without > >>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge, > >>>>>>>>>>>>> its > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many > > times, > >>>> of > >>>>>> this > >>>>>>>>>> statement > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when a native comes back with no results > >>>>>> forthcoming > >>>>>>>> or news > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy > >> is > >>>>>>>> suggested. Also > >>>>>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, > >>>>>> when he > >>>>>>>> suggests > >>>>>>>>>> so > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without actual deep study of what he is > >> saying. > >>>>>> For > >>>>>>>> eg.for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native > >> to > >>>> do > >>>>>>>> pooja of > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lakshmi, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the > >>>> shakti > >>>>>>>> may be one, > >>>>>>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manifestations may have different gunas like > >>>>>> sattwa, > >>>>>>>> tamas or > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rajas. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are we sure what we want to give the > > native ? > >>>>>> Also > >>>>>>>> at times > >>>>>>>>>>>> stones > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which are concentrated depositories of the > >>>> divine > >>>>>>>> couloured > >>>>>>>>>> rays > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of which we are all made of (in this case > >>>>>> solidified > >>>>>>>>>> state),also > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > >> suggested > >>>>>>>> wrongly. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > >> Mahadasha > >>>>>>>> lord, some for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > >>>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>>> the stone > >>>>>>>>>> at > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > >>>> results > >>>>>>>> also which > >>>>>>>>>>>> would > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For > >>>>>> ex.Libra > >>>>>>>>>>>> native.Will > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? > >> Only > >>>>>>>> experience > >>>>>>>>>> from > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. > >>>>>> Talking of > >>>>>>>> mantras, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi > >>>>>> munis > >>>>>>>> of ancient > >>>>>>>>>>>>> times > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to sit together and make one disciple > >>>> recite > >>>>>>>> the mantra > >>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right manner and another to recite the > >> same > >>>>>>>> mantra > >>>>>>>>>> wrongly, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course > >>>> they > >>>>>>>> had the > >>>>>>>>>> power > >>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mitigate the negative effects there and > > then, > >>>> but > >>>>>>>> what about > >>>>>>>>>> us > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for > >>>> long, > >>>>>> but > >>>>>>>> the point > >>>>>>>>>>>> is, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > >>>>>> remedies. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , > >>>> Prafulla > >>>>>>>> Gang > >>>>>>>>>>>> <jyotish@> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so > >>>>>> please > >>>>>>>> do not > >>>>>>>>>>>> misread > >>>>>>>>>>>>> me. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, > >>>>>> curses > >>>>>>>> etc in a > >>>>>>>>>>>> chart > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures > > (per > >>>> his > >>>>>>>> experience). > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Native > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might have already been performing some > >> remedy > >>>>>> (may > >>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>>>> alternative > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one, but towards the same purpose) > > knowingly > >> or > >>>>>>>> unknowlingly > >>>>>>>>>>>> (for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful > >>>> remedy > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> rahu / > >>>>>>>>>>>> ketu; > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without > >>>>>> thinking > >>>>>>>> it as > >>>>>>>>>> remedy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > >>>>>> recommendation > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>> remedies, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without knowing te native's past events / > >> daily > >>>>>>>> routine etc. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Should > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remedies be suggested like this - > >>>> Specifically - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the > >>>> curse / > >>>>>>>> affliction > >>>>>>>>>>>>> related > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at > >>>>>> respective > >>>>>>>> planetary > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ages > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > >> considered > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> be fully > >>>>>>>>>>>> done > >>>>>>>>>>>>> or > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist > >> like. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without good experience, is it a good > >> practice > >>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially > >>>>>> around > >>>>>>>> mantras. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prescription of mantras are something - > > must > >> be > >>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> line with > >>>>>>>>>>>>> native's > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc > >>>>>> involve > >>>>>>>> lots of > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rituals > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for effective rituals. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > >>>> assessment > >>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> its need > >>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt > >> so > >>>>>>>> casually by > >>>>>>>>>>>> fellow > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the > >> list > >>>>>>>> astrologers) > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large extent, natives are responsible for > >>>> getting > >>>>>>>> into > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary "vaham". > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>>>>> produce > >>>>>>>> it, and > >>>>>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>>>>>> star > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in it. 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Sir, Given below remedies as suggested by Shri Parashar Maharaj for Sun Dasha alongwith antars. Hope it helps. Sun-Sun Remedial measures to be adopted are Mritunjay Japa or the worship of the Sun (by recitation of appropriate mantra,charity,etc.) Sun-Moon To acquire peace and comfort, the remedial measure is giving in charity of a white cow and a female buffallo. Sun-Mars remedial measure like recitation of Vedas,Japa,Vrashotsarga are performed in the prescribed manner Sun-Rahu Worship of Goddess Durga,Japa, giving in charity of a black cow or female buffalo. Sun-Jup Giving in charity, gold, a tawny coloured cow (Kapila gau),worship of Ishta Lord. Sun-Sat Giving in charity black cow,buffalo,goat and Mritunjaya Japa. Sun-Mer Recitation of Vishnu Sahasranaam and giving goat in charity, grains and an idol made in silver. Sun-Ketu Recitatio of mantras of Goodess Durga (Shat Chandi Path) and giving a goat in charity. Sun-Ven Mritunjay Japa, Rudra Japa and giving in charity a tawny cow or a female buffalo. Personal Note- It may sound strange, or not practical, but I know many moneyed Marwadi Sheths giving cows in charity. Those who cannot do this can alternatively chant the mantras suggested. About giving of goats its also mentioned in Lal Kitab for debilated Jupiter if I am not mistaken. I do not know what is Vrashotsarga, or reasons why each pooja or donation has been suggested for different antars. While writing above I have neither deleted or added from my own. Ref. is from Brihat Parashar Hora by Ranjan Publications. , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear PanditArjunji, > > Good first move made by You and suggested by Prafullji. > I add what comes to mind immediately, > > also reciting Adita Hrdyam daily. > Getting Surya pooja done at any Navgraha mandir on Sunday > by Pandit with red cloth offered to Surya Bhagwan). > behaving properly,respectful with elders in family. > > Bhaskar. > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear prafullaji > > > > as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS > > discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we mean > > remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that > > particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with > > which the native stands benefited. > > > > so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. when > > sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in > > conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and > > ketu, we find negative results. > > > > following are the general remedies which can be followed for any > > type of sun related problems: > > > > 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > > 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > > 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven horses > > and offering it a red flower daily. > > 4. fasting on sundays. > > 5. donate wheat grains. > > 6. donate food to blind people. > > 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > > 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > > 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol. > > > > members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the reasoning > > or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my > > understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and > > hence can be done as an upay for sun. > > > > this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all > > remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are > > free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more > > light. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > > > You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to > structure > > this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, > > then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their > > experiences / various remedies. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004@ > > > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > > > > > > > > Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to > > > > present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply > > > > facts, references and past results with various people from > which > > > > you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to > discuss > > one > > > > remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we > > > > indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution > this > > > > group would have ever got. > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > >> > > > >> Very well said. > > > >> > > > >> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > > remedies > > > > in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar > Mantra > > is > > > > one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and > fasting > > > > system for shani / ketu. > > > >> > > > >> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary > > > > factor. > > > >> > > > >> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for > > > > each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started > > > > with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > > required (I > > > > mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already > fixed > > > > the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > > transit / > > > > dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > > > >> > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >> > > > >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> panditarjun2004@ > > > >>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > > > >>> > > > >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > > >>> > > > >>> dear friends > > > >>> > > > >>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells > > > > well > > > >>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the > > > >>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, > > > >>> periodically in all groups. > > > >>> > > > >>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan > for > > > >>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > > > >>> > > > >>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that > > > >>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by > > ALL > > > >>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL > religions. > > > >>> > > > >>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > > religions > > > > DO > > > >>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a > > > > person > > > >>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, > > > > these > > > >>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as > > > > devotees > > > >>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > > > > prafulla > > > >>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih > > > > both > > > >>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains > > > > along > > > >>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which > > > > are > > > >>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > > > >>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, > > > >>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. > > > >>> > > > >>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies > > > > with > > > >>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > > > > chartered > > > >>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law > > > >>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > > PRESENT > > > >>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when > > > > comes > > > >>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not > > > >>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from > > > > orient > > > >>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present > > > >>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale > > is > > > >>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any > > > >>> religious person. > > > >>> > > > >>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > > > > expereinces > > > >>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. > unfortunately > > > > in > > > >>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and > > > > try > > > >>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not > > get > > > >>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > > > > similarly > > > >>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and > > > > hence > > > >>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best > > > >>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to > > > > alcohol > > > >>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt > get > > > > it. > > > >>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his > > > > being > > > >>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and > > > > start > > > >>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy > and > > > > has > > > >>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > > ancestors, > > > > he > > > >>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > > > > previous > > > >>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins > > which > > > > is > > > >>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and > > are > > > >>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > > > >>> > > > >>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal > > > >>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, > so > > > > that > > > >>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular > > remedy > > > >>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many > > people > > > >>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > > > >>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he > cannot > > > >>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved > > best > > > >>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > > > >>> > > > >>> with best wishes > > > >>> pandit arjun > > > >>> , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra > by > > > > any > > > >>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and > we > > > >>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > >>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Sir, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what > Your > > > >>>>> goodself has mentioned. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if > > done > > > >>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > > > >>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last > > > >>>>> 2 decades. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in > horoscope, > > > >>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with > > own > > > >>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors > > > >>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > > > > regularly) > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the > > house. > > > >>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > > > > members > > > >>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > > longlife > > > >>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise) > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, > > > >>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > > > > indirectly. > > > >>>>> Thank You. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Regards, > > > >>>>> Bhaskar. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B > > > >>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Prafulla > > > >>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM > > between > > > >>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for > > diff > > > >>>>> planets > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives > > > >>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > > > >>> diorders. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help > > for > > > >>> many > > > >>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > > > > respirotary > > > >>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > > religious > > > >>> works > > > >>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > > > >>> prescribed, > > > >>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > > > >>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew > them > > > > so > > > >>> did > > > >>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > > systems > > > >>> to get > > > >>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too > > who > > > >>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do > > try > > > >>> whole > > > >>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as > > > >>> breathing. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know > > muslims > > > >>> who > > > >>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there > was > > a > > > >>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take > a > > > >>> look in > > > >>>>> archives. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > >>>>> wrote: Dear > > > > Shri > > > >>>>> Kumar ji > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for > > > > the > > > >>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > > > >>> strengtht to > > > >>>>> find realistic solutions > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any > role, > > > > if > > > >>> any. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > > possible, > > > >>> must > > > >>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > > suggesting > > > >>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > > > > authentic > > > >>>>> remedies > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the > > > >>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of > the > > > >>> planet. > > > >>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - > > > >>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit > > more > > > >>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment > > little > > > >>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may > > > > tone > > > >>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in > coping > > up > > > >>> with > > > >>>>> challenges. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > > and > > > > we > > > >>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > > > >>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > 23/7 - > > 4 > > > >>> tantra > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > Prafulla, > > > >>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r > > > >>> offshoots > > > >>>>> of > > > >>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil > > > >>> design > > > >>>>> or black > > > >>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and > > helped > > > >>> in > > > >>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to > > watch > > > >>> the > > > >>>>> rise of > > > >>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions > > have > > > >>> very > > > >>>>> intense > > > >>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > > > > tantras > > > >>> (do > > > >>>>> not mix > > > >>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > > it, > > > >>> and > > > >>>>> we star in > > > >>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > > > >>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > > > >>> 23/27 -2 > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > Prafulla, > > > >>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r > > not > > > >>>>> bbeong done or > > > >>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen > > or > > > >>> child > > > >>>>> or huam > > > >>>>>> > so > > > >>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > > > > excessive > > > >>>>> balis then > > > >>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if > > > >>> there > > > >>>>> was no > > > >>>>>> > rain or > > > >>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of > > > >>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > > > >>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific > > > >>> religion, > > > >>>>> then why > > > >>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, > suggesting > > > >>>>> something which > > > >>>>>> > is > > > >>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > > > > religion > > > >>>>> etc). > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > produce > > > >>> it, > > > >>>>> and we star > > > >>>>>> > in > > > >>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > > > >>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying > > with > > > >>> more > > > >>>>> food for > > > >>>>>> > > > thought. > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am > > sorry > > > >>> dear > > > >>>>> tolerant > > > >>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > > > >>> religious/non- > > > >>>>> ritual > > > >>>>>> > type > > > >>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail > > to > > > >>>>> notice the > > > >>>>>> > strength > > > >>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive > > > >>> mother > > > >>>>> to do her > > > >>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father > > > >>> scientist > > > >>>>> manager > > > >>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual > > > >>>>> scriptures such as > > > >>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very > > intensively > > > >>>>> tuning into > > > >>>>>> > that > > > >>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core > > > >>> scientist > > > >>>>> and one of > > > >>>>>> > the > > > >>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, > > > >>> europe > > > >>>>> trained and > > > >>>>>> > all > > > >>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the > > wall > > > >>> next > > > >>>>> to his bed > > > >>>>>> > for > > > >>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > > > >>> Ramakrishna > > > >>>>> in the next > > > >>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This > > man > > > >>> always > > > >>>>>> > pooh-poohed > > > >>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never > > > > really > > > >>>>> stopped me > > > >>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being > > successful > > > >>> at a > > > >>>>> few things > > > >>>>>> > in > > > >>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There > > > > was > > > >>> a > > > >>>>> moment when > > > >>>>>> > I > > > >>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology > > > >>>>> miscellany quizzes > > > >>>>>> > in > > > >>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly > > showed > > > >>> it > > > >>>>> to him. He > > > >>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even > today! > > > >>> One of > > > >>>>> his > > > >>>>>> > favourite > > > >>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > > > > Unfortunately > > > >>>>> most of us do > > > >>>>>> > not > > > >>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being > > irrelevant. > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality > > has > > > >>> much > > > >>>>> more power > > > >>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is > > > >>> FLEXIBLE, > > > >>>>> it > > > >>>>>> > respects > > > >>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades > > through > > > >>> each > > > >>>>> and every > > > >>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the > > > >>> fullest > > > >>>>>> > expression of > > > >>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully > > > >>> enjoying > > > >>>>> those, > > > >>>>>> > never > > > >>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > RR > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > , > > srinivasa > > > >>>>> murthy adavi > > > >>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > > > >>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > > > >>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever > > > >>>>> cosmological > > > >>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God > > > >>> reveals > > > >>>>> himself > > > >>>>>> > in > > > >>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > > > >>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu > and > > > >>> Shiva > > > >>>>> along with > > > >>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > > etc,and > > > >>>>> others like > > > >>>>>> > Shirdi > > > >>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > > > > Christ,Prophet > > > >>>>> Mohammed etc > > > >>>>>> > all > > > >>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods > for > > > >>>>> bringing in the > > > >>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > > > >>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > > madeout > > > > by > > > >>>>> selfish > > > >>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain > > > > false > > > >>>>> sympathy and > > > >>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires (more > > > >>> personal > > > >>>>> or for a > > > >>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > > > >>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code- > > The > > > >>> people > > > >>>>> (some) > > > >>>>>> > are > > > >>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > > > > theselves > > > >>>>> are not > > > >>>>>> > > bothering > > > >>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the > > > >>>>> question is the > > > >>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > > > > creativeness > > > >>>>> and freedom > > > >>>>>> > of > > > >>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > > > > married > > > >>> 8 > > > >>>>> women and > > > >>>>>> > gave > > > >>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other > wives,the > > > >>> truth > > > >>>>> was never > > > >>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the > > > >>>>> importance of > > > >>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form > of > > > >>>>> TheDivine even > > > >>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed > as > > > >>> truth > > > >>>>> that jesus > > > >>>>>> > was > > > >>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty > > (in > > > >>> the > > > >>>>> name of > > > >>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the > > > >>> truth.Some > > > >>>>> day we > > > >>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the > branch > > > > on > > > >>>>> which we're > > > >>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish > > > >>> desires > > > >>>>> these > > > >>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of > > > >>> religious > > > >>>>>> > tenets.We'll > > > >>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > > > > without > > > >>>>> warning.So > > > >>>>>> > please > > > >>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of > > > >>>>> expression media > > > >>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed > dangerous > > > >>>>> boundaries. > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > >> regards > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > >> srinivas > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > >> Sri, > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your > > > >>> message > > > >>>>> but when > > > >>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the > > > > image > > > >>> of > > > >>>>> a Kind and > > > >>>>>> > > > Wise > > > >>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best > > > >>> interests > > > >>>>>> > (actually > > > >>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief > have > > > >>> stood > > > >>>>> all > > > >>>>>> > religions > > > >>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, > would > > > >>> they > > > >>>>> still be > > > >>>>>> > here? > > > >>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity > > that > > > >>> has > > > >>>>> been > > > >>>>>> > > > associated > > > >>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or > > another. > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though > > > > with > > > >>> some > > > >>>>>> > difficulty! > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > >> RR > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > >> , > > > > srinivasa > > > >>>>> murthy adavi > > > >>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based > on > > > > the > > > >>>>> sermon > > > >>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > > > >>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > > > >>> particular > > > >>>>> mantra(when > > > >>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja > done > > > >>> based > > > >>>>> on saatwik > > > >>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > > > > AdiSankaracharya > > > >>> or > > > >>>>> Other > > > >>>>>> > Revered > > > >>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > > > > prescribed > > > >>>>> mantra is > > > >>>>>> > the > > > >>>>>> > > > apt > > > >>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will > lead > > > > to > > > >>> a > > > >>>>> proper > > > >>>>>> > person > > > >>>>>> > > > at > > > >>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such > > that > > > >>> the > > > >>>>> native > > > >>>>>> > gets > > > >>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner > > > >>> fortitude > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>>> > withstand > > > >>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without > > > > letting > > > >>>>> him loose > > > >>>>>> > his > > > >>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in > > our > > > >>> work > > > >>>>> spot if we > > > >>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he > > > > will > > > >>>>> solve himself > > > >>>>>> > > > (if > > > >>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he > > > > will > > > >>>>> direct us to > > > >>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the > > > >>>>> authorised one). > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> regards > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your > observation. > > > > The > > > >>>>> quick remedy > > > >>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer > too. > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for > > > >>> shani, > > > >>>>> mars, > > > >>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > > > >>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > > example - > > > >>>>> jyotishi > > > >>>>>> > suggest > > > >>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make > sense? > > > >>> and if > > > >>>>> the > > > >>>>>> > native > > > >>>>>> > > > is > > > >>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following > > krishna's > > > >>>>> pooja; then > > > >>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, > > then > > > >>> it > > > >>>>> must also > > > >>>>>> > be > > > >>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / > afliction > > > > etc > > > >>>>> can be > > > >>>>>> > remedied > > > >>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age > (or > > > > say > > > >>>>> which dasha > > > >>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to > invoke > > > >>>>> powers) require > > > >>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not > > > > all > > > >>> the > > > >>>>> people > > > >>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such > > rituals > > > >>> well. > > > >>>>> and if > > > >>>>>> > does > > > >>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the > standard > > > >>> excuse > > > >>>>> for the > > > >>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined > > > >>> vidhi of > > > >>>>> surya > > > >>>>>> > naman > > > >>>>>> > > > ( > > > >>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > > > >>> circumstances), > > > >>>>> offering > > > >>>>>> > > > water > > > >>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja > > etc. > > > > I > > > >>> do > > > >>>>> not think, > > > >>>>>> > > > the > > > >>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going > > to > > > >>> help > > > >>>>> without > > > >>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how > > do > > > > we > > > >>>>> know, if the > > > >>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not > > required > > > >>> any > > > >>>>> more? > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > > >>> produce > > > >>>>> it, and we > > > >>>>>> > > > star > > > >>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at > > > >>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > > > >>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > > > >>> proffessor ,told > > > >>>>> us > > > >>>>>> > students > > > >>>>>> > > > a > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > > > >>>>> remedies,without > > > >>>>>> > > > knowledge, > > > >>>>>> > > >> its > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many > times, > > > > of > > > >>> this > > > >>>>>> > statement > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results > > > >>> forthcoming > > > >>>>> or news > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy > > is > > > >>>>> suggested. Also > > > >>>>>> > > > it > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, > > > >>> when he > > > >>>>> suggests > > > >>>>>> > so > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is > > saying. > > > >>> For > > > >>>>> eg.for > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native > > to > > > > do > > > >>>>> pooja of > > > >>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the > > > > shakti > > > >>>>> may be one, > > > >>>>>> > > > but > > > >>>>>> > > >> the > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like > > > >>> sattwa, > > > >>>>> tamas or > > > >>>>>> > > >> rajas. > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the > native ? > > > >>> Also > > > >>>>> at times > > > >>>>>> > > > stones > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the > > > > divine > > > >>>>> couloured > > > >>>>>> > rays > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case > > > >>> solidified > > > >>>>>> > state),also > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > > suggested > > > >>>>> wrongly. > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > > Mahadasha > > > >>>>> lord, some for > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > > > >>> suggesting > > > >>>>> the stone > > > >>>>>> > at > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > > > > results > > > >>>>> also which > > > >>>>>> > > > would > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For > > > >>> ex.Libra > > > >>>>>> > > > native.Will > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? > > Only > > > >>>>> experience > > > >>>>>> > from > > > >>>>>> > > >> the > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. > > > >>> Talking of > > > >>>>> mantras, > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi > > > >>> munis > > > >>>>> of ancient > > > >>>>>> > > >> times > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple > > > > recite > > > >>>>> the mantra > > > >>>>>> > in > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the > > same > > > >>>>> mantra > > > >>>>>> > wrongly, > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course > > > > they > > > >>>>> had the > > > >>>>>> > power > > > >>>>>> > > > to > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and > then, > > > > but > > > >>>>> what about > > > >>>>>> > us > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for > > > > long, > > > >>> but > > > >>>>> the point > > > >>>>>> > > > is, > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > > > >>> remedies. > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> , > > > > Prafulla > > > >>>>> Gang > > > >>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so > > > >>> please > > > >>>>> do not > > > >>>>>> > > > misread > > > >>>>>> > > >> me. > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, > > > >>> curses > > > >>>>> etc in a > > > >>>>>> > > > chart > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures > (per > > > > his > > > >>>>> experience). > > > >>>>>> > > >> Native > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some > > remedy > > > >>> (may > > > >>>>> be > > > >>>>>> > > > alternative > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) > knowingly > > or > > > >>>>> unknowlingly > > > >>>>>> > > > (for > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful > > > > remedy > > > >>> for > > > >>>>> rahu / > > > >>>>>> > > > ketu; > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without > > > >>> thinking > > > >>>>> it as > > > >>>>>> > remedy > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > > > >>> recommendation > > > >>>>> of > > > >>>>>> > > > remedies, > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / > > daily > > > >>>>> routine etc. > > > >>>>>> > > >> Should > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > > > > Specifically - > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the > > > > curse / > > > >>>>> affliction > > > >>>>>> > > >> related > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at > > > >>> respective > > > >>>>> planetary > > > >>>>>> > > >> ages > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > > considered > > > >>> to > > > >>>>> be fully > > > >>>>>> > > > done > > > >>>>>> > > >> or > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist > > like. > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good > > practice > > > >>> of > > > >>>>> suggesting > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially > > > >>> around > > > >>>>> mantras. > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - > must > > be > > > >>> in > > > >>>>> line with > > > >>>>>> > > >> native's > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc > > > >>> involve > > > >>>>> lots of > > > >>>>>> > > >> rituals > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > > > > assessment > > > >>> of > > > >>>>> its need > > > >>>>>> > is > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt > > so > > > >>>>> casually by > > > >>>>>> > > > fellow > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the > > list > > > >>>>> astrologers) > > > >>>>>> > and > > > >>>>>> > > >> to a > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for > > > > getting > > > >>>>> into > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > > >>> produce > > > >>>>> it, and > > > >>>>>> > we > > > >>>>>> > > >> star > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > > life!! > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > >>>>> protection around > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > >>> removed] > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > >>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear bhaskar and arjunji, sometime back i have seen in express star teller magazine a series of remedial measures for each mahadasha written by k k pathak ..if any of the members have soft copy of the same..i request him to upload the same for the groups benefit... thanks sriganeshh , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > > Given below remedies as suggested by Shri Parashar Maharaj for Sun > Dasha alongwith antars. Hope it helps. > > Sun-Sun > Remedial measures to be adopted are Mritunjay Japa or the worship of > the Sun (by recitation of appropriate mantra,charity,etc.) > > Sun-Moon > To acquire peace and comfort, the remedial measure is giving in > charity of a white cow and a female buffallo. > > Sun-Mars > remedial measure like recitation of Vedas,Japa,Vrashotsarga are > performed in the prescribed manner > > Sun-Rahu > Worship of Goddess Durga,Japa, giving in charity of a black cow or > female buffalo. > > Sun-Jup > Giving in charity, gold, a tawny coloured cow (Kapila gau),worship of > Ishta Lord. > > Sun-Sat > Giving in charity black cow,buffalo,goat and Mritunjaya Japa. > > Sun-Mer > Recitation of Vishnu Sahasranaam and giving goat in charity, grains > and an idol made in silver. > > Sun-Ketu > Recitatio of mantras of Goodess Durga (Shat Chandi Path) and giving a > goat in charity. > > Sun-Ven > Mritunjay Japa, Rudra Japa and giving in charity a tawny cow or a > female buffalo. > > Personal Note- It may sound strange, or not practical, but I know > many moneyed Marwadi Sheths > giving cows in charity. Those who cannot do this can alternatively > chant the mantras suggested. > About giving of goats its also mentioned in Lal Kitab for debilated > Jupiter if I am not mistaken. > I do not know what is Vrashotsarga, or reasons why each pooja or > donation has been suggested > for different antars. While writing above I have neither deleted or > added from my own. > Ref. is from Brihat Parashar Hora by Ranjan Publications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear PanditArjunji, > > > > Good first move made by You and suggested by Prafullji. > > I add what comes to mind immediately, > > > > also reciting Adita Hrdyam daily. > > Getting Surya pooja done at any Navgraha mandir on Sunday > > by Pandit with red cloth offered to Surya Bhagwan). > > behaving properly,respectful with elders in family. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear prafullaji > > > > > > as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING > MEMBERS > > > discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we > mean > > > remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, > that > > > particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with > > > which the native stands benefited. > > > > > > so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. > when > > > sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in > > > conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and > > > ketu, we find negative results. > > > > > > following are the general remedies which can be followed for any > > > type of sun related problems: > > > > > > 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > > > 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > > > 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven > horses > > > and offering it a red flower daily. > > > 4. fasting on sundays. > > > 5. donate wheat grains. > > > 6. donate food to blind people. > > > 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > > > 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > > > 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol. > > > > > > members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the > reasoning > > > or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my > > > understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects > and > > > hence can be done as an upay for sun. > > > > > > this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all > > > remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are > > > free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more > > > light. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > > > > > You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to > > structure > > > this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, > > > then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their > > > experiences / various remedies. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004@ > > > > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to > > > > > present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will > supply > > > > > facts, references and past results with various people from > > which > > > > > you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to > > discuss > > > one > > > > > remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we > > > > > indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution > > this > > > > > group would have ever got. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > > > >> > > > > >> Very well said. > > > > >> > > > > >> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > > > remedies > > > > > in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar > > Mantra > > > is > > > > > one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and > > fasting > > > > > system for shani / ketu. > > > > >> > > > > >> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary > > > > > factor. > > > > >> > > > > >> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective > for > > > > > each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question > started > > > > > with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > > > required (I > > > > > mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already > > fixed > > > > > the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > > > transit / > > > > > dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > > > > >> > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > >> > > > > >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a > groan. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> panditarjun2004@ > > > > >>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > > > >>> > > > > >>> dear friends > > > > >>> > > > > >>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that > jells > > > > > well > > > > >>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the > > > > >>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, > > > > >>> periodically in all groups. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan > > for > > > > >>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement > that > > > > >>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed > by > > > ALL > > > > >>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL > > religions. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > > > religions > > > > > DO > > > > >>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of > a > > > > > person > > > > >>> or for getting something the native wants. in all > religions, > > > > > these > > > > >>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as > > > > > devotees > > > > >>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > > > > > prafulla > > > > >>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can > furnsih > > > > > both > > > > >>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains > > > > > along > > > > >>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains > which > > > > > are > > > > >>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > > > > >>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, > > > > >>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow > remedies > > > > > with > > > > >>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > > > > > chartered > > > > >>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the > law > > > > >>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > > > PRESENT > > > > >>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately > when > > > > > comes > > > > >>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are > not > > > > >>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from > > > > > orient > > > > >>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the > present > > > > >>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and > ratinale > > > is > > > > >>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by > any > > > > >>> religious person. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > > > > > expereinces > > > > >>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. > > unfortunately > > > > > in > > > > >>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions > and > > > > > try > > > > >>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did > not > > > get > > > > >>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > > > > > similarly > > > > >>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results > and > > > > > hence > > > > >>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the > best > > > > >>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to > > > > > alcohol > > > > >>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt > > get > > > > > it. > > > > >>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite > his > > > > > being > > > > >>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and > > > > > start > > > > >>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy > > and > > > > > has > > > > >>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > > > ancestors, > > > > > he > > > > >>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > > > > > previous > > > > >>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins > > > which > > > > > is > > > > >>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations > and > > > are > > > > >>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal > > > > >>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific > remedy, > > so > > > > > that > > > > >>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular > > > remedy > > > > >>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many > > > people > > > > >>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > > > > >>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he > > cannot > > > > >>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it > proved > > > best > > > > >>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> with best wishes > > > > >>> pandit arjun > > > > >>> , Prafulla Gang > > > <jyotish@> > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any > strotra > > by > > > > > any > > > > >>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > and > > we > > > > >>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > >>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 > tantra > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Sir, > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what > > Your > > > > >>>>> goodself has mentioned. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if > > > done > > > > >>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > > > > >>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over > last > > > > >>>>> 2 decades. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in > > horoscope, > > > > >>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations > with > > > own > > > > >>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the > superiors > > > > >>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > > > > > regularly) > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the > > > house. > > > > >>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > > > > > members > > > > >>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > > > longlife > > > > >>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after > practise) > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, > > > > >>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > > > > > indirectly. > > > > >>>>> Thank You. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Regards, > > > > >>>>> Bhaskar. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> , Prashant Kumar G > B > > > > >>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Prafulla > > > > >>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM > > > between > > > > >>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies > for > > > diff > > > > >>>>> planets > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana > gives > > > > >>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > > > > >>> diorders. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also > help > > > for > > > > >>> many > > > > >>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > > > > > respirotary > > > > >>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > > > religious > > > > >>> works > > > > >>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > > > > >>> prescribed, > > > > >>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > > > > >>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew > > them > > > > > so > > > > >>> did > > > > >>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > > > systems > > > > >>> to get > > > > >>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try > it > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains > too > > > who > > > > >>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system > do > > > try > > > > >>> whole > > > > >>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural > as > > > > >>> breathing. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know > > > muslims > > > > >>> who > > > > >>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there > > was > > > a > > > > >>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can > take > > a > > > > >>> look in > > > > >>>>> archives. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > > >>>>> wrote: > Dear > > > > > Shri > > > > >>>>> Kumar ji > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to > me): > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native > for > > > > > the > > > > >>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > > > > >>> strengtht to > > > > >>>>> find realistic solutions > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any > > role, > > > > > if > > > > >>> any. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > > > possible, > > > > >>> must > > > > >>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > > > suggesting > > > > >>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > > > > > authentic > > > > >>>>> remedies > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored > the > > > > >>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of > > the > > > > >>> planet. > > > > >>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic > shani) - > > > > >>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit > > > more > > > > >>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment > > > little > > > > >>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This > may > > > > > tone > > > > >>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in > > coping > > > up > > > > >>> with > > > > >>>>> challenges. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > it, > > > and > > > > > we > > > > >>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > > > > >>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > > 23/7 - > > > 4 > > > > >>> tantra > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > Prafulla, > > > > >>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r > > > > >>> offshoots > > > > >>>>> of > > > > >>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, > evil > > > > >>> design > > > > >>>>> or black > > > > >>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and > > > helped > > > > >>> in > > > > >>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to > > > watch > > > > >>> the > > > > >>>>> rise of > > > > >>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions > > > have > > > > >>> very > > > > >>>>> intense > > > > >>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > > > > > tantras > > > > >>> (do > > > > >>>>> not mix > > > > >>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > produce > > > it, > > > > >>> and > > > > >>>>> we star in > > > > >>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > > > > >>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > > > > >>> 23/27 -2 > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > Prafulla, > > > > >>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies > r > > > not > > > > >>>>> bbeong done or > > > > >>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, > hen > > > or > > > > >>> child > > > > >>>>> or huam > > > > >>>>>> > so > > > > >>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > > > > > excessive > > > > >>>>> balis then > > > > >>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear > if > > > > >>> there > > > > >>>>> was no > > > > >>>>>> > rain or > > > > >>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin > of > > > > >>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > > > > >>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific > > > > >>> religion, > > > > >>>>> then why > > > > >>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, > > suggesting > > > > >>>>> something which > > > > >>>>>> > is > > > > >>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > > > > > religion > > > > >>>>> etc). > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > > produce > > > > >>> it, > > > > >>>>> and we star > > > > >>>>>> > in > > > > >>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > > > > >>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying > > > with > > > > >>> more > > > > >>>>> food for > > > > >>>>>> > > > thought. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am > > > sorry > > > > >>> dear > > > > >>>>> tolerant > > > > >>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > > > > >>> religious/non- > > > > >>>>> ritual > > > > >>>>>> > type > > > > >>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly > fail > > > to > > > > >>>>> notice the > > > > >>>>>> > strength > > > > >>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and > submissive > > > > >>> mother > > > > >>>>> to do her > > > > >>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father > > > > >>> scientist > > > > >>>>> manager > > > > >>>>>> > > > father always being interested in > intellectual > > > > >>>>> scriptures such as > > > > >>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very > > > intensively > > > > >>>>> tuning into > > > > >>>>>> > that > > > > >>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard- core > > > > >>> scientist > > > > >>>>> and one of > > > > >>>>>> > the > > > > >>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever > known, > > > > >>> europe > > > > >>>>> trained and > > > > >>>>>> > all > > > > >>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the > > > wall > > > > >>> next > > > > >>>>> to his bed > > > > >>>>>> > for > > > > >>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > > > > >>> Ramakrishna > > > > >>>>> in the next > > > > >>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. > This > > > man > > > > >>> always > > > > >>>>>> > pooh-poohed > > > > >>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never > > > > > really > > > > >>>>> stopped me > > > > >>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being > > > successful > > > > >>> at a > > > > >>>>> few things > > > > >>>>>> > in > > > > >>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. > There > > > > > was > > > > >>> a > > > > >>>>> moment when > > > > >>>>>> > I > > > > >>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the > Astrology > > > > >>>>> miscellany quizzes > > > > >>>>>> > in > > > > >>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly > > > showed > > > > >>> it > > > > >>>>> to him. He > > > > >>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even > > today! > > > > >>> One of > > > > >>>>> his > > > > >>>>>> > favourite > > > > >>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > > > > > Unfortunately > > > > >>>>> most of us do > > > > >>>>>> > not > > > > >>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being > > > irrelevant. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that > spirituality > > > has > > > > >>> much > > > > >>>>> more power > > > > >>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is > > > > >>> FLEXIBLE, > > > > >>>>> it > > > > >>>>>> > respects > > > > >>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades > > > through > > > > >>> each > > > > >>>>> and every > > > > >>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is > the > > > > >>> fullest > > > > >>>>>> > expression of > > > > >>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully > > > > >>> enjoying > > > > >>>>> those, > > > > >>>>>> > never > > > > >>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > RR > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > , > > > srinivasa > > > > >>>>> murthy adavi > > > > >>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > > > > >>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > > > > >>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that > wherever > > > > >>>>> cosmological > > > > >>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them > God > > > > >>> reveals > > > > >>>>> himself > > > > >>>>>> > in > > > > >>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > > > > >>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity (Brahma,Vishnu > > and > > > > >>> Shiva > > > > >>>>> along with > > > > >>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > > > etc,and > > > > >>>>> others like > > > > >>>>>> > Shirdi > > > > >>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > > > > > Christ,Prophet > > > > >>>>> Mohammed etc > > > > >>>>>> > all > > > > >>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods > > for > > > > >>>>> bringing in the > > > > >>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > > > > >>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > > > madeout > > > > > by > > > > >>>>> selfish > > > > >>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to > gain > > > > > false > > > > >>>>> sympathy and > > > > >>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires > (more > > > > >>> personal > > > > >>>>> or for a > > > > >>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal > good). > > > > >>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci > Code- > > > The > > > > >>> people > > > > >>>>> (some) > > > > >>>>>> > are > > > > >>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > > > > > theselves > > > > >>>>> are not > > > > >>>>>> > > bothering > > > > >>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here > the > > > > >>>>> question is the > > > > >>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > > > > > creativeness > > > > >>>>> and freedom > > > > >>>>>> > of > > > > >>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > > > > > married > > > > >>> 8 > > > > >>>>> women and > > > > >>>>>> > gave > > > > >>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other > > wives,the > > > > >>> truth > > > > >>>>> was never > > > > >>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world > the > > > > >>>>> importance of > > > > >>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate > form > > of > > > > >>>>> TheDivine even > > > > >>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was > believed > > as > > > > >>> truth > > > > >>>>> that jesus > > > > >>>>>> > was > > > > >>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take > liberty > > > (in > > > > >>> the > > > > >>>>> name of > > > > >>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the > > > > >>> truth.Some > > > > >>>>> day we > > > > >>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the > > branch > > > > > on > > > > >>>>> which we're > > > > >>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish > > > > >>> desires > > > > >>>>> these > > > > >>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of > > > > >>> religious > > > > >>>>>> > tenets.We'll > > > > >>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > > > > > without > > > > >>>>> warning.So > > > > >>>>>> > please > > > > >>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom > of > > > > >>>>> expression media > > > > >>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed > > dangerous > > > > >>>>> boundaries. > > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > >> regards > > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > >> srinivas > > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > >> Sri, > > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of > your > > > > >>> message > > > > >>>>> but when > > > > >>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the > > > > > image > > > > >>> of > > > > >>>>> a Kind and > > > > >>>>>> > > > Wise > > > > >>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our > best > > > > >>> interests > > > > >>>>>> > (actually > > > > >>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any > parent!) > > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief > > have > > > > >>> stood > > > > >>>>> all > > > > >>>>>> > religions > > > > >>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, > > would > > > > >>> they > > > > >>>>> still be > > > > >>>>>> > here? > > > > >>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of > negativity > > > that > > > > >>> has > > > > >>>>> been > > > > >>>>>> > > > associated > > > > >>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or > > > another. > > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, > though > > > > > with > > > > >>> some > > > > >>>>>> > difficulty! > > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > >> RR > > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > >> , > > > > > srinivasa > > > > >>>>> murthy adavi > > > > >>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were > based > > on > > > > > the > > > > >>>>> sermon > > > > >>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > > > > >>> particular > > > > >>>>> mantra(when > > > > >>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja > > done > > > > >>> based > > > > >>>>> on saatwik > > > > >>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > > > > > AdiSankaracharya > > > > >>> or > > > > >>>>> Other > > > > >>>>>> > Revered > > > > >>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > > > > > prescribed > > > > >>>>> mantra is > > > > >>>>>> > the > > > > >>>>>> > > > apt > > > > >>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will > > lead > > > > > to > > > > >>> a > > > > >>>>> proper > > > > >>>>>> > person > > > > >>>>>> > > > at > > > > >>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual > such > > > that > > > > >>> the > > > > >>>>> native > > > > >>>>>> > gets > > > > >>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner > > > > >>> fortitude > > > > >>>>> to > > > > >>>>>> > withstand > > > > >>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without > > > > > letting > > > > >>>>> him loose > > > > >>>>>> > his > > > > >>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that > in > > > our > > > > >>> work > > > > >>>>> spot if we > > > > >>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a > problem,he > > > > > will > > > > >>>>> solve himself > > > > >>>>>> > > > (if > > > > >>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or > he > > > > > will > > > > >>>>> direct us to > > > > >>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the > > > > >>>>> authorised one). > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> regards > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your > > observation. > > > > > The > > > > >>>>> quick remedy > > > > >>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer > > too. > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are > for > > > > >>> shani, > > > > >>>>> mars, > > > > >>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > > > > >>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > > > example - > > > > >>>>> jyotishi > > > > >>>>>> > suggest > > > > >>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make > > sense? > > > > >>> and if > > > > >>>>> the > > > > >>>>>> > native > > > > >>>>>> > > > is > > > > >>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following > > > krishna's > > > > >>>>> pooja; then > > > > >>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about > remedy, > > > then > > > > >>> it > > > > >>>>> must also > > > > >>>>>> > be > > > > >>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / > > afliction > > > > > etc > > > > >>>>> can be > > > > >>>>>> > remedied > > > > >>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age > > (or > > > > > say > > > > >>>>> which dasha > > > > >>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to > > invoke > > > > >>>>> powers) require > > > > >>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, > not > > > > > all > > > > >>> the > > > > >>>>> people > > > > >>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such > > > rituals > > > > >>> well. > > > > >>>>> and if > > > > >>>>>> > does > > > > >>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the > > standard > > > > >>> excuse > > > > >>>>> for the > > > > >>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is > predefined > > > > >>> vidhi of > > > > >>>>> surya > > > > >>>>>> > naman > > > > >>>>>> > > > ( > > > > >>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > > > > >>> circumstances), > > > > >>>>> offering > > > > >>>>>> > > > water > > > > >>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja > > > etc. > > > > > I > > > > >>> do > > > > >>>>> not think, > > > > >>>>>> > > > the > > > > >>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is > going > > > to > > > > >>> help > > > > >>>>> without > > > > >>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - > how > > > do > > > > > we > > > > >>>>> know, if the > > > > >>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not > > > required > > > > >>> any > > > > >>>>> more? > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > > > >>> produce > > > > >>>>> it, and we > > > > >>>>>> > > > star > > > > >>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > life!! > > > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture > at > > > > >>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > > > > >>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > > > > >>> proffessor ,told > > > > >>>>> us > > > > >>>>>> > students > > > > >>>>>> > > > a > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > > > > >>>>> remedies,without > > > > >>>>>> > > > knowledge, > > > > >>>>>> > > >> its > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many > > times, > > > > > of > > > > >>> this > > > > >>>>>> > statement > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results > > > > >>> forthcoming > > > > >>>>> or news > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong > remedy > > > is > > > > >>>>> suggested. Also > > > > >>>>>> > > > it > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the > astrologer, > > > > >>> when he > > > > >>>>> suggests > > > > >>>>>> > so > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is > > > saying. > > > > >>> For > > > > >>>>> eg.for > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the > native > > > to > > > > > do > > > > >>>>> pooja of > > > > >>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the > > > > > shakti > > > > >>>>> may be one, > > > > >>>>>> > > > but > > > > >>>>>> > > >> the > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas > like > > > > >>> sattwa, > > > > >>>>> tamas or > > > > >>>>>> > > >> rajas. > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the > > native ? > > > > >>> Also > > > > >>>>> at times > > > > >>>>>> > > > stones > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the > > > > > divine > > > > >>>>> couloured > > > > >>>>>> > rays > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case > > > > >>> solidified > > > > >>>>>> > state),also > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > > > suggested > > > > >>>>> wrongly. > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > > > Mahadasha > > > > >>>>> lord, some for > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > > > > >>> suggesting > > > > >>>>> the stone > > > > >>>>>> > at > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > > > > > results > > > > >>>>> also which > > > > >>>>>> > > > would > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. > For > > > > >>> ex.Libra > > > > >>>>>> > > > native.Will > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the > native? > > > Only > > > > >>>>> experience > > > > >>>>>> > from > > > > >>>>>> > > >> the > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. > > > > >>> Talking of > > > > >>>>> mantras, > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the > rishi > > > > >>> munis > > > > >>>>> of ancient > > > > >>>>>> > > >> times > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple > > > > > recite > > > > >>>>> the mantra > > > > >>>>>> > in > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite > the > > > same > > > > >>>>> mantra > > > > >>>>>> > wrongly, > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of > course > > > > > they > > > > >>>>> had the > > > > >>>>>> > power > > > > >>>>>> > > > to > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and > > then, > > > > > but > > > > >>>>> what about > > > > >>>>>> > us > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for > > > > > long, > > > > >>> but > > > > >>>>> the point > > > > >>>>>> > > > is, > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > > > > >>> remedies. > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> , > > > > > Prafulla > > > > >>>>> Gang > > > > >>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, > so > > > > >>> please > > > > >>>>> do not > > > > >>>>>> > > > misread > > > > >>>>>> > > >> me. > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult > combinations, > > > > >>> curses > > > > >>>>> etc in a > > > > >>>>>> > > > chart > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures > > (per > > > > > his > > > > >>>>> experience). > > > > >>>>>> > > >> Native > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some > > > remedy > > > > >>> (may > > > > >>>>> be > > > > >>>>>> > > > alternative > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) > > knowingly > > > or > > > > >>>>> unknowlingly > > > > >>>>>> > > > (for > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful > > > > > remedy > > > > >>> for > > > > >>>>> rahu / > > > > >>>>>> > > > ketu; > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without > > > > >>> thinking > > > > >>>>> it as > > > > >>>>>> > remedy > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > > > > >>> recommendation > > > > >>>>> of > > > > >>>>>> > > > remedies, > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / > > > daily > > > > >>>>> routine etc. > > > > >>>>>> > > >> Should > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > > > > > Specifically - > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the > > > > > curse / > > > > >>>>> affliction > > > > >>>>>> > > >> related > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more > required? > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at > > > > >>> respective > > > > >>>>> planetary > > > > >>>>>> > > >> ages > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > > > considered > > > > >>> to > > > > >>>>> be fully > > > > >>>>>> > > > done > > > > >>>>>> > > >> or > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist > > > like. > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good > > > practice > > > > >>> of > > > > >>>>> suggesting > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; > especially > > > > >>> around > > > > >>>>> mantras. > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - > > must > > > be > > > > >>> in > > > > >>>>> line with > > > > >>>>>> > > >> native's > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras > etc > > > > >>> involve > > > > >>>>> lots of > > > > >>>>>> > > >> rituals > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > > > > > assessment > > > > >>> of > > > > >>>>> its need > > > > >>>>>> > is > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be > dealt > > > so > > > > >>>>> casually by > > > > >>>>>> > > > fellow > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the > > > list > > > > >>>>> astrologers) > > > > >>>>>> > and > > > > >>>>>> > > >> to a > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for > > > > > getting > > > > >>>>> into > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, > we > > > > >>> produce > > > > >>>>> it, and > > > > >>>>>> > we > > > > >>>>>> > > >> star > > > > >>>>>> > > >>>> in it. 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 dear prafullaji this is a free for all exercise. just do it without asking for it. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > Request to you to permit members to post their experiences for each planet (while discussing remedy): > > for example - astrologers can explain the type of negative results, one may get for malefic sun or weak sun. It will help, in learning to diagnose the problem areas. > > Sir one more request - if we post segregated remedial measures (into - dealing with malefic planet and weak benefic planets), this will really help us all (including jyotish students like me and people who seek remedies). > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > panditarjun2004 > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:24:04 -0000 > > > > new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN > > > > dear prafullaji > > > > as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS > > discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we mean > > remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that > > particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with > > which the native stands benefited. > > > > so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. when > > sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in > > conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and > > ketu, we find negative results. > > > > following are the general remedies which can be followed for any > > type of sun related problems: > > > > 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > > 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > > 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven horses > > and offering it a red flower daily. > > 4. fasting on sundays. > > 5. donate wheat grains. > > 6. donate food to blind people. > > 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > > 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > > 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol. > > > > members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the reasoning > > or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my > > understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and > > hence can be done as an upay for sun. > > > > this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all > > remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are > > free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more > > light. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > >> > >> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to structure > > this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, > > then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their > > experiences / various remedies. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> panditarjun2004@ > >>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>> > >>> dear friends > >>> > >>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to > >>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply > >>> facts, references and past results with various people from which > >>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss > > one > >>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we > >>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution this > >>> group would have ever got. > >>> > >>> with best wishes > >>> pandit arjun > >>> > >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > >>>> > >>>> Very well said. > >>>> > >>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > > remedies > >>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra > > is > >>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting > >>> system for shani / ketu. > >>>> > >>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary > >>> factor. > >>>> > >>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for > >>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started > >>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > > required (I > >>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed > >>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > > transit / > >>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> panditarjun2004@ > >>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > >>>>> > >>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>> > >>>>> dear friends > >>>>> > >>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells > >>> well > >>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the > >>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, > >>>>> periodically in all groups. > >>>>> > >>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for > >>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > >>>>> > >>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that > >>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by > > ALL > >>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions. > >>>>> > >>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > > religions > >>> DO > >>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a > >>> person > >>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, > >>> these > >>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as > >>> devotees > >>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > >>> prafulla > >>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih > >>> both > >>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains > >>> along > >>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which > >>> are > >>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > >>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, > >>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. > >>>>> > >>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies > >>> with > >>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > >>> chartered > >>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law > >>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > > PRESENT > >>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when > >>> comes > >>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not > >>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from > >>> orient > >>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present > >>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale > > is > >>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any > >>>>> religious person. > >>>>> > >>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > >>> expereinces > >>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately > >>> in > >>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and > >>> try > >>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not > > get > >>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > >>> similarly > >>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and > >>> hence > >>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best > >>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to > >>> alcohol > >>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get > >>> it. > >>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his > >>> being > >>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and > >>> start > >>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and > >>> has > >>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > > ancestors, > >>> he > >>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > >>> previous > >>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins > > which > >>> is > >>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and > > are > >>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > >>>>> > >>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal > >>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so > >>> that > >>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular > > remedy > >>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many > > people > >>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > >>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot > >>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved > > best > >>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > >>>>> > >>>>> with best wishes > >>>>> pandit arjun > >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by > >>> any > >>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > >>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sir, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your > >>>>>>> goodself has mentioned. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if > > done > >>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > >>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last > >>>>>>> 2 decades. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope, > >>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with > > own > >>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors > >>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > >>> regularly) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the > > house. > >>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > >>> members > >>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > > longlife > >>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, > >>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > >>> indirectly. > >>>>>>> Thank You. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B > >>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Prafulla > >>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM > > between > >>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for > > diff > >>>>>>> planets > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives > >>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > >>>>> diorders. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help > > for > >>>>> many > >>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > >>> respirotary > >>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > > religious > >>>>> works > >>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > >>>>> prescribed, > >>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > >>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them > >>> so > >>>>> did > >>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > > systems > >>>>> to get > >>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too > > who > >>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do > > try > >>>>> whole > >>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as > >>>>> breathing. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know > > muslims > >>>>> who > >>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was > > a > >>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a > >>>>> look in > >>>>>>> archives. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>>>>>> wrote: Dear > >>> Shri > >>>>>>> Kumar ji > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for > >>> the > >>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > >>>>> strengtht to > >>>>>>> find realistic solutions > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, > >>> if > >>>>> any. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > > possible, > >>>>> must > >>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > > suggesting > >>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > >>> authentic > >>>>>>> remedies > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the > >>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the > >>>>> planet. > >>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - > >>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit > > more > >>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment > > little > >>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may > >>> tone > >>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping > > up > >>>>> with > >>>>>>> challenges. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > > and > >>> we > >>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 - > > 4 > >>>>> tantra > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Prafulla, > >>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r > >>>>> offshoots > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil > >>>>> design > >>>>>>> or black > >>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and > > helped > >>>>> in > >>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to > > watch > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> rise of > >>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions > > have > >>>>> very > >>>>>>> intense > >>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > >>> tantras > >>>>> (do > >>>>>>> not mix > >>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > > it, > >>>>> and > >>>>>>> we star in > >>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > >>>>> 23/27 -2 > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > Prafulla, > >>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r > > not > >>>>>>> bbeong done or > >>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen > > or > >>>>> child > >>>>>>> or huam > >>>>>>>> > so > >>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > >>> excessive > >>>>>>> balis then > >>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if > >>>>> there > >>>>>>> was no > >>>>>>>> > rain or > >>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of > >>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > >>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific > >>>>> religion, > >>>>>>> then why > >>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting > >>>>>>> something which > >>>>>>>> > is > >>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > >>> religion > >>>>>>> etc). > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > produce > >>>>> it, > >>>>>>> and we star > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > >>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying > > with > >>>>> more > >>>>>>> food for > >>>>>>>> > > > thought. > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am > > sorry > >>>>> dear > >>>>>>> tolerant > >>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > >>>>> religious/non- > >>>>>>> ritual > >>>>>>>> > type > >>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail > > to > >>>>>>> notice the > >>>>>>>> > strength > >>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive > >>>>> mother > >>>>>>> to do her > >>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father > >>>>> scientist > >>>>>>> manager > >>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual > >>>>>>> scriptures such as > >>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very > > intensively > >>>>>>> tuning into > >>>>>>>> > that > >>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core > >>>>> scientist > >>>>>>> and one of > >>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, > >>>>> europe > >>>>>>> trained and > >>>>>>>> > all > >>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the > > wall > >>>>> next > >>>>>>> to his bed > >>>>>>>> > for > >>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > >>>>> Ramakrishna > >>>>>>> in the next > >>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This > > man > >>>>> always > >>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed > >>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never > >>> really > >>>>>>> stopped me > >>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being > > successful > >>>>> at a > >>>>>>> few things > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There > >>> was > >>>>> a > >>>>>>> moment when > >>>>>>>> > I > >>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology > >>>>>>> miscellany quizzes > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly > > showed > >>>>> it > >>>>>>> to him. He > >>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! > >>>>> One of > >>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>> > favourite > >>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > >>> Unfortunately > >>>>>>> most of us do > >>>>>>>> > not > >>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being > > irrelevant. > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality > > has > >>>>> much > >>>>>>> more power > >>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is > >>>>> FLEXIBLE, > >>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> > respects > >>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades > > through > >>>>> each > >>>>>>> and every > >>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the > >>>>> fullest > >>>>>>>> > expression of > >>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully > >>>>> enjoying > >>>>>>> those, > >>>>>>>> > never > >>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > RR > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > , > > srinivasa > >>>>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > >>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > >>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever > >>>>>>> cosmological > >>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God > >>>>> reveals > >>>>>>> himself > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > >>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and > >>>>> Shiva > >>>>>>> along with > >>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > > etc,and > >>>>>>> others like > >>>>>>>> > Shirdi > >>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > >>> Christ,Prophet > >>>>>>> Mohammed etc > >>>>>>>> > all > >>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for > >>>>>>> bringing in the > >>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > >>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > > madeout > >>> by > >>>>>>> selfish > >>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain > >>> false > >>>>>>> sympathy and > >>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more > >>>>> personal > >>>>>>> or for a > >>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > >>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code- > > The > >>>>> people > >>>>>>> (some) > >>>>>>>> > are > >>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > >>> theselves > >>>>>>> are not > >>>>>>>> > > bothering > >>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the > >>>>>>> question is the > >>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > >>> creativeness > >>>>>>> and freedom > >>>>>>>> > of > >>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > >>> married > >>>>> 8 > >>>>>>> women and > >>>>>>>> > gave > >>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the > >>>>> truth > >>>>>>> was never > >>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the > >>>>>>> importance of > >>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of > >>>>>>> TheDivine even > >>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as > >>>>> truth > >>>>>>> that jesus > >>>>>>>> > was > >>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty > > (in > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> name of > >>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the > >>>>> truth.Some > >>>>>>> day we > >>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch > >>> on > >>>>>>> which we're > >>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish > >>>>> desires > >>>>>>> these > >>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of > >>>>> religious > >>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll > >>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > >>> without > >>>>>>> warning.So > >>>>>>>> > please > >>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of > >>>>>>> expression media > >>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous > >>>>>>> boundaries. > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> regards > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >> Sri, > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your > >>>>> message > >>>>>>> but when > >>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the > >>> image > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> a Kind and > >>>>>>>> > > > Wise > >>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best > >>>>> interests > >>>>>>>> > (actually > >>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have > >>>>> stood > >>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>> > religions > >>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would > >>>>> they > >>>>>>> still be > >>>>>>>> > here? > >>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity > > that > >>>>> has > >>>>>>> been > >>>>>>>> > > > associated > >>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or > > another. > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though > >>> with > >>>>> some > >>>>>>>> > difficulty! > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> RR > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> , > >>> srinivasa > >>>>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on > >>> the > >>>>>>> sermon > >>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > >>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > >>>>> particular > >>>>>>> mantra(when > >>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done > >>>>> based > >>>>>>> on saatwik > >>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > >>> AdiSankaracharya > >>>>> or > >>>>>>> Other > >>>>>>>> > Revered > >>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > >>> prescribed > >>>>>>> mantra is > >>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>> > > > apt > >>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead > >>> to > >>>>> a > >>>>>>> proper > >>>>>>>> > person > >>>>>>>> > > > at > >>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such > > that > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> native > >>>>>>>> > gets > >>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner > >>>>> fortitude > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> > withstand > >>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without > >>> letting > >>>>>>> him loose > >>>>>>>> > his > >>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in > > our > >>>>> work > >>>>>>> spot if we > >>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he > >>> will > >>>>>>> solve himself > >>>>>>>> > > > (if > >>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he > >>> will > >>>>>>> direct us to > >>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the > >>>>>>> authorised one). > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> regards > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. > >>> The > >>>>>>> quick remedy > >>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for > >>>>> shani, > >>>>>>> mars, > >>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > >>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > > example - > >>>>>>> jyotishi > >>>>>>>> > suggest > >>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? > >>>>> and if > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> > native > >>>>>>>> > > > is > >>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following > > krishna's > >>>>>>> pooja; then > >>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, > > then > >>>>> it > >>>>>>> must also > >>>>>>>> > be > >>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction > >>> etc > >>>>>>> can be > >>>>>>>> > remedied > >>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or > >>> say > >>>>>>> which dasha > >>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke > >>>>>>> powers) require > >>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not > >>> all > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such > > rituals > >>>>> well. > >>>>>>> and if > >>>>>>>> > does > >>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard > >>>>> excuse > >>>>>>> for the > >>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined > >>>>> vidhi of > >>>>>>> surya > >>>>>>>> > naman > >>>>>>>> > > > ( > >>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > >>>>> circumstances), > >>>>>>> offering > >>>>>>>> > > > water > >>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja > > etc. > >>> I > >>>>> do > >>>>>>> not think, > >>>>>>>> > > > the > >>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going > > to > >>>>> help > >>>>>>> without > >>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how > > do > >>> we > >>>>>>> know, if the > >>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not > > required > >>>>> any > >>>>>>> more? > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>>>> produce > >>>>>>> it, and we > >>>>>>>> > > > star > >>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at > >>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > >>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > >>>>> proffessor ,told > >>>>>>> us > >>>>>>>> > students > >>>>>>>> > > > a > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > >>>>>>> remedies,without > >>>>>>>> > > > knowledge, > >>>>>>>> > > >> its > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, > >>> of > >>>>> this > >>>>>>>> > statement > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results > >>>>> forthcoming > >>>>>>> or news > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy > > is > >>>>>>> suggested. Also > >>>>>>>> > > > it > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, > >>>>> when he > >>>>>>> suggests > >>>>>>>> > so > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is > > saying. > >>>>> For > >>>>>>> eg.for > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native > > to > >>> do > >>>>>>> pooja of > >>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the > >>> shakti > >>>>>>> may be one, > >>>>>>>> > > > but > >>>>>>>> > > >> the > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like > >>>>> sattwa, > >>>>>>> tamas or > >>>>>>>> > > >> rajas. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? > >>>>> Also > >>>>>>> at times > >>>>>>>> > > > stones > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the > >>> divine > >>>>>>> couloured > >>>>>>>> > rays > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case > >>>>> solidified > >>>>>>>> > state),also > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > > suggested > >>>>>>> wrongly. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > > Mahadasha > >>>>>>> lord, some for > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > >>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>> the stone > >>>>>>>> > at > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > >>> results > >>>>>>> also which > >>>>>>>> > > > would > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For > >>>>> ex.Libra > >>>>>>>> > > > native.Will > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? > > Only > >>>>>>> experience > >>>>>>>> > from > >>>>>>>> > > >> the > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. > >>>>> Talking of > >>>>>>> mantras, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi > >>>>> munis > >>>>>>> of ancient > >>>>>>>> > > >> times > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple > >>> recite > >>>>>>> the mantra > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the > > same > >>>>>>> mantra > >>>>>>>> > wrongly, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course > >>> they > >>>>>>> had the > >>>>>>>> > power > >>>>>>>> > > > to > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, > >>> but > >>>>>>> what about > >>>>>>>> > us > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for > >>> long, > >>>>> but > >>>>>>> the point > >>>>>>>> > > > is, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > >>>>> remedies. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> , > >>> Prafulla > >>>>>>> Gang > >>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so > >>>>> please > >>>>>>> do not > >>>>>>>> > > > misread > >>>>>>>> > > >> me. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, > >>>>> curses > >>>>>>> etc in a > >>>>>>>> > > > chart > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per > >>> his > >>>>>>> experience). > >>>>>>>> > > >> Native > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some > > remedy > >>>>> (may > >>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>> > > > alternative > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly > > or > >>>>>>> unknowlingly > >>>>>>>> > > > (for > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful > >>> remedy > >>>>> for > >>>>>>> rahu / > >>>>>>>> > > > ketu; > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without > >>>>> thinking > >>>>>>> it as > >>>>>>>> > remedy > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > >>>>> recommendation > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> > > > remedies, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / > > daily > >>>>>>> routine etc. > >>>>>>>> > > >> Should > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > >>> Specifically - > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the > >>> curse / > >>>>>>> affliction > >>>>>>>> > > >> related > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at > >>>>> respective > >>>>>>> planetary > >>>>>>>> > > >> ages > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > > considered > >>>>> to > >>>>>>> be fully > >>>>>>>> > > > done > >>>>>>>> > > >> or > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist > > like. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good > > practice > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially > >>>>> around > >>>>>>> mantras. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must > > be > >>>>> in > >>>>>>> line with > >>>>>>>> > > >> native's > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc > >>>>> involve > >>>>>>> lots of > >>>>>>>> > > >> rituals > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > >>> assessment > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> its need > >>>>>>>> > is > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt > > so > >>>>>>> casually by > >>>>>>>> > > > fellow > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the > > list > >>>>>>> astrologers) > >>>>>>>> > and > >>>>>>>> > > >> to a > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for > >>> getting > >>>>>>> into > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>>>> produce > >>>>>>> it, and > >>>>>>>> > we > >>>>>>>> > > >> star > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > > life!! > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > >>>>>>> protection around > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been > >>>>> removed] > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > In my experiences with few local astrologers - I observed little modifed remedies (from the detailed list you provided) > > fasting on sundays should be broken like rojas in islam (at sun set) and in that evening meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic sun) > > charities of red wheat / gud etc to kshatriya community person (some suggest the weight of wheat to be equal to the weight of native) - malefic sun > > Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like recitation of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) > > Some more remedies, i observed people pursuing for malefic sun > > prior to commencement of any work / meeting, eat a piece of "Mishri" (I think, it is lal kitab's totka) > > In the sunday evening (around sun set), offering roti (baked on fire) cooked from left out flour to an sitting OX (one will seldom find an Ox sitting around sunset time) > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > panditarjun2004 > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:24:04 -0000 > > > > new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN > > > > dear prafullaji > > > > as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS > > discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we mean > > remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that > > particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with > > which the native stands benefited. > > > > so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. when > > sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in > > conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and > > ketu, we find negative results. > > > > following are the general remedies which can be followed for any > > type of sun related problems: > > > > 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > > 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > > 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven horses > > and offering it a red flower daily. > > 4. fasting on sundays. > > 5. donate wheat grains. > > 6. donate food to blind people. > > 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > > 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > > 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol. > > > > members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the reasoning > > or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my > > understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and > > hence can be done as an upay for sun. > > > > this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all > > remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are > > free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more > > light. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > >> > >> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to structure > > this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, > > then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their > > experiences / various remedies. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> panditarjun2004@ > >>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>> > >>> dear friends > >>> > >>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to > >>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply > >>> facts, references and past results with various people from which > >>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss > > one > >>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we > >>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution this > >>> group would have ever got. > >>> > >>> with best wishes > >>> pandit arjun > >>> > >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > >>>> > >>>> Very well said. > >>>> > >>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > > remedies > >>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra > > is > >>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting > >>> system for shani / ketu. > >>>> > >>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary > >>> factor. > >>>> > >>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for > >>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started > >>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > > required (I > >>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed > >>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > > transit / > >>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> panditarjun2004@ > >>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > >>>>> > >>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>> > >>>>> dear friends > >>>>> > >>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells > >>> well > >>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the > >>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, > >>>>> periodically in all groups. > >>>>> > >>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for > >>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > >>>>> > >>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that > >>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by > > ALL > >>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions. > >>>>> > >>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > > religions > >>> DO > >>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a > >>> person > >>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, > >>> these > >>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as > >>> devotees > >>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > >>> prafulla > >>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih > >>> both > >>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains > >>> along > >>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which > >>> are > >>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > >>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, > >>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. > >>>>> > >>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies > >>> with > >>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > >>> chartered > >>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law > >>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > > PRESENT > >>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when > >>> comes > >>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not > >>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from > >>> orient > >>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present > >>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale > > is > >>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any > >>>>> religious person. > >>>>> > >>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > >>> expereinces > >>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately > >>> in > >>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and > >>> try > >>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not > > get > >>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > >>> similarly > >>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and > >>> hence > >>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best > >>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to > >>> alcohol > >>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get > >>> it. > >>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his > >>> being > >>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and > >>> start > >>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and > >>> has > >>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > > ancestors, > >>> he > >>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > >>> previous > >>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins > > which > >>> is > >>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and > > are > >>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > >>>>> > >>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal > >>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so > >>> that > >>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular > > remedy > >>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many > > people > >>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > >>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot > >>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved > > best > >>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > >>>>> > >>>>> with best wishes > >>>>> pandit arjun > >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by > >>> any > >>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > >>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sir, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your > >>>>>>> goodself has mentioned. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if > > done > >>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > >>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last > >>>>>>> 2 decades. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope, > >>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with > > own > >>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors > >>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > >>> regularly) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the > > house. > >>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > >>> members > >>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > > longlife > >>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, > >>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > >>> indirectly. > >>>>>>> Thank You. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B > >>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Prafulla > >>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM > > between > >>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for > > diff > >>>>>>> planets > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives > >>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > >>>>> diorders. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help > > for > >>>>> many > >>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > >>> respirotary > >>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > > religious > >>>>> works > >>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > >>>>> prescribed, > >>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > >>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them > >>> so > >>>>> did > >>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > > systems > >>>>> to get > >>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too > > who > >>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do > > try > >>>>> whole > >>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as > >>>>> breathing. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know > > muslims > >>>>> who > >>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was > > a > >>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a > >>>>> look in > >>>>>>> archives. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>>>>>> wrote: Dear > >>> Shri > >>>>>>> Kumar ji > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for > >>> the > >>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > >>>>> strengtht to > >>>>>>> find realistic solutions > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, > >>> if > >>>>> any. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > > possible, > >>>>> must > >>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > > suggesting > >>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > >>> authentic > >>>>>>> remedies > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the > >>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the > >>>>> planet. > >>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - > >>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit > > more > >>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment > > little > >>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may > >>> tone > >>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping > > up > >>>>> with > >>>>>>> challenges. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > > and > >>> we > >>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 - > > 4 > >>>>> tantra > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Prafulla, > >>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r > >>>>> offshoots > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil > >>>>> design > >>>>>>> or black > >>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and > > helped > >>>>> in > >>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to > > watch > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> rise of > >>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions > > have > >>>>> very > >>>>>>> intense > >>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > >>> tantras > >>>>> (do > >>>>>>> not mix > >>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > > it, > >>>>> and > >>>>>>> we star in > >>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > >>>>> 23/27 -2 > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > Prafulla, > >>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r > > not > >>>>>>> bbeong done or > >>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen > > or > >>>>> child > >>>>>>> or huam > >>>>>>>> > so > >>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > >>> excessive > >>>>>>> balis then > >>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if > >>>>> there > >>>>>>> was no > >>>>>>>> > rain or > >>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of > >>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > >>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific > >>>>> religion, > >>>>>>> then why > >>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting > >>>>>>> something which > >>>>>>>> > is > >>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > >>> religion > >>>>>>> etc). > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > produce > >>>>> it, > >>>>>>> and we star > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > >>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying > > with > >>>>> more > >>>>>>> food for > >>>>>>>> > > > thought. > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am > > sorry > >>>>> dear > >>>>>>> tolerant > >>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > >>>>> religious/non- > >>>>>>> ritual > >>>>>>>> > type > >>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail > > to > >>>>>>> notice the > >>>>>>>> > strength > >>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive > >>>>> mother > >>>>>>> to do her > >>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father > >>>>> scientist > >>>>>>> manager > >>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual > >>>>>>> scriptures such as > >>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very > > intensively > >>>>>>> tuning into > >>>>>>>> > that > >>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core > >>>>> scientist > >>>>>>> and one of > >>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, > >>>>> europe > >>>>>>> trained and > >>>>>>>> > all > >>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the > > wall > >>>>> next > >>>>>>> to his bed > >>>>>>>> > for > >>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > >>>>> Ramakrishna > >>>>>>> in the next > >>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This > > man > >>>>> always > >>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed > >>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never > >>> really > >>>>>>> stopped me > >>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being > > successful > >>>>> at a > >>>>>>> few things > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There > >>> was > >>>>> a > >>>>>>> moment when > >>>>>>>> > I > >>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology > >>>>>>> miscellany quizzes > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly > > showed > >>>>> it > >>>>>>> to him. He > >>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! > >>>>> One of > >>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>> > favourite > >>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > >>> Unfortunately > >>>>>>> most of us do > >>>>>>>> > not > >>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being > > irrelevant. > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality > > has > >>>>> much > >>>>>>> more power > >>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is > >>>>> FLEXIBLE, > >>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> > respects > >>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades > > through > >>>>> each > >>>>>>> and every > >>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the > >>>>> fullest > >>>>>>>> > expression of > >>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully > >>>>> enjoying > >>>>>>> those, > >>>>>>>> > never > >>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > RR > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > , > > srinivasa > >>>>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > >>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > >>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever > >>>>>>> cosmological > >>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God > >>>>> reveals > >>>>>>> himself > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > >>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and > >>>>> Shiva > >>>>>>> along with > >>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > > etc,and > >>>>>>> others like > >>>>>>>> > Shirdi > >>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > >>> Christ,Prophet > >>>>>>> Mohammed etc > >>>>>>>> > all > >>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for > >>>>>>> bringing in the > >>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > >>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > > madeout > >>> by > >>>>>>> selfish > >>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain > >>> false > >>>>>>> sympathy and > >>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more > >>>>> personal > >>>>>>> or for a > >>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > >>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code- > > The > >>>>> people > >>>>>>> (some) > >>>>>>>> > are > >>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > >>> theselves > >>>>>>> are not > >>>>>>>> > > bothering > >>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the > >>>>>>> question is the > >>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > >>> creativeness > >>>>>>> and freedom > >>>>>>>> > of > >>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > >>> married > >>>>> 8 > >>>>>>> women and > >>>>>>>> > gave > >>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the > >>>>> truth > >>>>>>> was never > >>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the > >>>>>>> importance of > >>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of > >>>>>>> TheDivine even > >>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as > >>>>> truth > >>>>>>> that jesus > >>>>>>>> > was > >>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty > > (in > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> name of > >>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the > >>>>> truth.Some > >>>>>>> day we > >>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch > >>> on > >>>>>>> which we're > >>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish > >>>>> desires > >>>>>>> these > >>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of > >>>>> religious > >>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll > >>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > >>> without > >>>>>>> warning.So > >>>>>>>> > please > >>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of > >>>>>>> expression media > >>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous > >>>>>>> boundaries. > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> regards > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >> Sri, > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your > >>>>> message > >>>>>>> but when > >>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the > >>> image > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> a Kind and > >>>>>>>> > > > Wise > >>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best > >>>>> interests > >>>>>>>> > (actually > >>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have > >>>>> stood > >>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>> > religions > >>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would > >>>>> they > >>>>>>> still be > >>>>>>>> > here? > >>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity > > that > >>>>> has > >>>>>>> been > >>>>>>>> > > > associated > >>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or > > another. > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though > >>> with > >>>>> some > >>>>>>>> > difficulty! > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> RR > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> , > >>> srinivasa > >>>>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on > >>> the > >>>>>>> sermon > >>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > >>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > >>>>> particular > >>>>>>> mantra(when > >>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done > >>>>> based > >>>>>>> on saatwik > >>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > >>> AdiSankaracharya > >>>>> or > >>>>>>> Other > >>>>>>>> > Revered > >>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > >>> prescribed > >>>>>>> mantra is > >>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>> > > > apt > >>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead > >>> to > >>>>> a > >>>>>>> proper > >>>>>>>> > person > >>>>>>>> > > > at > >>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such > > that > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> native > >>>>>>>> > gets > >>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner > >>>>> fortitude > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> > withstand > >>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without > >>> letting > >>>>>>> him loose > >>>>>>>> > his > >>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in > > our > >>>>> work > >>>>>>> spot if we > >>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he > >>> will > >>>>>>> solve himself > >>>>>>>> > > > (if > >>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he > >>> will > >>>>>>> direct us to > >>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the > >>>>>>> authorised one). > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> regards > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. > >>> The > >>>>>>> quick remedy > >>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for > >>>>> shani, > >>>>>>> mars, > >>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > >>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > > example - > >>>>>>> jyotishi > >>>>>>>> > suggest > >>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? > >>>>> and if > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> > native > >>>>>>>> > > > is > >>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following > > krishna's > >>>>>>> pooja; then > >>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, > > then > >>>>> it > >>>>>>> must also > >>>>>>>> > be > >>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction > >>> etc > >>>>>>> can be > >>>>>>>> > remedied > >>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or > >>> say > >>>>>>> which dasha > >>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke > >>>>>>> powers) require > >>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not > >>> all > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such > > rituals > >>>>> well. > >>>>>>> and if > >>>>>>>> > does > >>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard > >>>>> excuse > >>>>>>> for the > >>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined > >>>>> vidhi of > >>>>>>> surya > >>>>>>>> > naman > >>>>>>>> > > > ( > >>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > >>>>> circumstances), > >>>>>>> offering > >>>>>>>> > > > water > >>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja > > etc. > >>> I > >>>>> do > >>>>>>> not think, > >>>>>>>> > > > the > >>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going > > to > >>>>> help > >>>>>>> without > >>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how > > do > >>> we > >>>>>>> know, if the > >>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not > > required > >>>>> any > >>>>>>> more? > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>>>> produce > >>>>>>> it, and we > >>>>>>>> > > > star > >>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at > >>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > >>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > >>>>> proffessor ,told > >>>>>>> us > >>>>>>>> > students > >>>>>>>> > > > a > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > >>>>>>> remedies,without > >>>>>>>> > > > knowledge, > >>>>>>>> > > >> its > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, > >>> of > >>>>> this > >>>>>>>> > statement > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results > >>>>> forthcoming > >>>>>>> or news > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy > > is > >>>>>>> suggested. Also > >>>>>>>> > > > it > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, > >>>>> when he > >>>>>>> suggests > >>>>>>>> > so > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is > > saying. > >>>>> For > >>>>>>> eg.for > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native > > to > >>> do > >>>>>>> pooja of > >>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the > >>> shakti > >>>>>>> may be one, > >>>>>>>> > > > but > >>>>>>>> > > >> the > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like > >>>>> sattwa, > >>>>>>> tamas or > >>>>>>>> > > >> rajas. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? > >>>>> Also > >>>>>>> at times > >>>>>>>> > > > stones > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the > >>> divine > >>>>>>> couloured > >>>>>>>> > rays > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case > >>>>> solidified > >>>>>>>> > state),also > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > > suggested > >>>>>>> wrongly. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > > Mahadasha > >>>>>>> lord, some for > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > >>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>> the stone > >>>>>>>> > at > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > >>> results > >>>>>>> also which > >>>>>>>> > > > would > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For > >>>>> ex.Libra > >>>>>>>> > > > native.Will > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? > > Only > >>>>>>> experience > >>>>>>>> > from > >>>>>>>> > > >> the > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. > >>>>> Talking of > >>>>>>> mantras, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi > >>>>> munis > >>>>>>> of ancient > >>>>>>>> > > >> times > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple > >>> recite > >>>>>>> the mantra > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the > > same > >>>>>>> mantra > >>>>>>>> > wrongly, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course > >>> they > >>>>>>> had the > >>>>>>>> > power > >>>>>>>> > > > to > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, > >>> but > >>>>>>> what about > >>>>>>>> > us > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for > >>> long, > >>>>> but > >>>>>>> the point > >>>>>>>> > > > is, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > >>>>> remedies. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> , > >>> Prafulla > >>>>>>> Gang > >>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so > >>>>> please > >>>>>>> do not > >>>>>>>> > > > misread > >>>>>>>> > > >> me. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, > >>>>> curses > >>>>>>> etc in a > >>>>>>>> > > > chart > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per > >>> his > >>>>>>> experience). > >>>>>>>> > > >> Native > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some > > remedy > >>>>> (may > >>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>> > > > alternative > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly > > or > >>>>>>> unknowlingly > >>>>>>>> > > > (for > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful > >>> remedy > >>>>> for > >>>>>>> rahu / > >>>>>>>> > > > ketu; > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without > >>>>> thinking > >>>>>>> it as > >>>>>>>> > remedy > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > >>>>> recommendation > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> > > > remedies, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / > > daily > >>>>>>> routine etc. > >>>>>>>> > > >> Should > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > >>> Specifically - > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the > >>> curse / > >>>>>>> affliction > >>>>>>>> > > >> related > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at > >>>>> respective > >>>>>>> planetary > >>>>>>>> > > >> ages > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > > considered > >>>>> to > >>>>>>> be fully > >>>>>>>> > > > done > >>>>>>>> > > >> or > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist > > like. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good > > practice > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially > >>>>> around > >>>>>>> mantras. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must > > be > >>>>> in > >>>>>>> line with > >>>>>>>> > > >> native's > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc > >>>>> involve > >>>>>>> lots of > >>>>>>>> > > >> rituals > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > >>> assessment > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> its need > >>>>>>>> > is > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt > > so > >>>>>>> casually by > >>>>>>>> > > > fellow > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the > > list > >>>>>>> astrologers) > >>>>>>>> > and > >>>>>>>> > > >> to a > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for > >>> getting > >>>>>>> into > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>>>> produce > >>>>>>> it, and > >>>>>>>> > we > >>>>>>>> > > >> star > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > > life!! > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > >>>>>>> protection around > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been > >>>>> removed] > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 This is beautiful! One caveat ("there he goes again!", I hear!). I would not be surprised that there will be lot of do-it-yourselfers, brave souls who would try out these remedies and may hop from one to another out of impatience ("But I have been fasting on sunday for three whole weeks now! OR the other extreme, "I have been doing Gayatri japa all evening right into the midnight for the entire weekend and see no results -- maybe time to check out the gemstone catalogue!") Perhaps some guidance should be provided to individuals that it is dose that brings the cure and also DOSE that makes it a poison! Caveat Emptor!! RR <<Last time I checked my feet were still touching the ground and the smell of the first rain hitting the soil was in my nose!>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji > > In my experiences with few local astrologers - I observed little modifed remedies (from the detailed list you provided) > > fasting on sundays should be broken like rojas in islam (at sun set) and in that evening meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic sun) > > charities of red wheat / gud etc to kshatriya community person (some suggest the weight of wheat to be equal to the weight of native) - malefic sun > > Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like recitation of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun) > > Some more remedies, i observed people pursuing for malefic sun > > prior to commencement of any work / meeting, eat a piece of "Mishri" (I think, it is lal kitab's totka) > > In the sunday evening (around sun set), offering roti (baked on fire) cooked from left out flour to an sitting OX (one will seldom find an Ox sitting around sunset time) > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > panditarjun2004 > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:24:04 -0000 > > > > new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN > > > > dear prafullaji > > > > as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS > > discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we mean > > remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that > > particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with > > which the native stands benefited. > > > > so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. when > > sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in > > conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and > > ketu, we find negative results. > > > > following are the general remedies which can be followed for any > > type of sun related problems: > > > > 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day > > 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day > > 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven horses > > and offering it a red flower daily. > > 4. fasting on sundays. > > 5. donate wheat grains. > > 6. donate food to blind people. > > 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread. > > 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger. > > 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol. > > > > members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the reasoning > > or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my > > understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and > > hence can be done as an upay for sun. > > > > this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all > > remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are > > free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more > > light. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > >> > >> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to structure > > this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, > > then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their > > experiences / various remedies. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> panditarjun2004@ > >>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>> > >>> dear friends > >>> > >>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to > >>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply > >>> facts, references and past results with various people from which > >>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss > > one > >>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we > >>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution this > >>> group would have ever got. > >>> > >>> with best wishes > >>> pandit arjun > >>> > >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji > >>>> > >>>> Very well said. > >>>> > >>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the > > remedies > >>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra > > is > >>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting > >>> system for shani / ketu. > >>>> > >>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary > >>> factor. > >>>> > >>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for > >>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started > >>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is > > required (I > >>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed > >>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / > > transit / > >>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc). > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> panditarjun2004@ > >>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000 > >>>>> > >>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>> > >>>>> dear friends > >>>>> > >>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells > >>> well > >>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the > >>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again, > >>>>> periodically in all groups. > >>>>> > >>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for > >>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully. > >>>>> > >>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that > >>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by > > ALL > >>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions. > >>>>> > >>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other > > religions > >>> DO > >>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a > >>> person > >>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, > >>> these > >>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as > >>> devotees > >>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like > >>> prafulla > >>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih > >>> both > >>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains > >>> along > >>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which > >>> are > >>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some > >>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow, > >>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran. > >>>>> > >>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies > >>> with > >>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, > >>> chartered > >>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law > >>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the > > PRESENT > >>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when > >>> comes > >>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not > >>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from > >>> orient > >>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present > >>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale > > is > >>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any > >>>>> religious person. > >>>>> > >>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal > >>> expereinces > >>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately > >>> in > >>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and > >>> try > >>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not > > get > >>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. > >>> similarly > >>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and > >>> hence > >>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best > >>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to > >>> alcohol > >>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get > >>> it. > >>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his > >>> being > >>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and > >>> start > >>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and > >>> has > >>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his > > ancestors, > >>> he > >>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his > >>> previous > >>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins > > which > >>> is > >>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and > > are > >>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles. > >>>>> > >>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal > >>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so > >>> that > >>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular > > remedy > >>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many > > people > >>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is > >>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot > >>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved > > best > >>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies. > >>>>> > >>>>> with best wishes > >>>>> pandit arjun > >>>>> , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by > >>> any > >>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > >>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sir, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your > >>>>>>> goodself has mentioned. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if > > done > >>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed) > >>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last > >>>>>>> 2 decades. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope, > >>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with > > own > >>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors > >>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting > >>> regularly) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the > > house. > >>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female > >>> members > >>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure > > longlife > >>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above, > >>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though > >>> indirectly. > >>>>>>> Thank You. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B > >>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Prafulla > >>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM > > between > >>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for > > diff > >>>>>>> planets > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives > >>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac > >>>>> diorders. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help > > for > >>>>> many > >>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on > >>> respirotary > >>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother > > religious > >>>>> works > >>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is > >>>>> prescribed, > >>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available. > >>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them > >>> so > >>>>> did > >>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine > > systems > >>>>> to get > >>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too > > who > >>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do > > try > >>>>> whole > >>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as > >>>>> breathing. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know > > muslims > >>>>> who > >>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was > > a > >>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a > >>>>> look in > >>>>>>> archives. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>>>>>> wrote: Dear > >>> Shri > >>>>>>> Kumar ji > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for > >>> the > >>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental > >>>>> strengtht to > >>>>>>> find realistic solutions > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, > >>> if > >>>>> any. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as > > possible, > >>>>> must > >>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of > > suggesting > >>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more > >>> authentic > >>>>>>> remedies > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the > >>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the > >>>>> planet. > >>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - > >>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit > > more > >>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment > > little > >>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may > >>> tone > >>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping > > up > >>>>> with > >>>>>>> challenges. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > > and > >>> we > >>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 - > > 4 > >>>>> tantra > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Prafulla, > >>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r > >>>>> offshoots > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil > >>>>> design > >>>>>>> or black > >>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and > > helped > >>>>> in > >>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to > > watch > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> rise of > >>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions > > have > >>>>> very > >>>>>>> intense > >>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in > >>> tantras > >>>>> (do > >>>>>>> not mix > >>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce > > it, > >>>>> and > >>>>>>> we star in > >>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@ > >>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] > >>>>> 23/27 -2 > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > Prafulla, > >>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r > > not > >>>>>>> bbeong done or > >>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen > > or > >>>>> child > >>>>>>> or huam > >>>>>>>> > so > >>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was > >>> excessive > >>>>>>> balis then > >>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if > >>>>> there > >>>>>>> was no > >>>>>>>> > rain or > >>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons. > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of > >>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism, > >>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific > >>>>> religion, > >>>>>>> then why > >>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting > >>>>>>> something which > >>>>>>>> > is > >>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, > >>> religion > >>>>>>> etc). > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > > produce > >>>>> it, > >>>>>>> and we star > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@ > >>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas, > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying > > with > >>>>> more > >>>>>>> food for > >>>>>>>> > > > thought. > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am > > sorry > >>>>> dear > >>>>>>> tolerant > >>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non- > >>>>> religious/non- > >>>>>>> ritual > >>>>>>>> > type > >>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail > > to > >>>>>>> notice the > >>>>>>>> > strength > >>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive > >>>>> mother > >>>>>>> to do her > >>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father > >>>>> scientist > >>>>>>> manager > >>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual > >>>>>>> scriptures such as > >>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very > > intensively > >>>>>>> tuning into > >>>>>>>> > that > >>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core > >>>>> scientist > >>>>>>> and one of > >>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, > >>>>> europe > >>>>>>> trained and > >>>>>>>> > all > >>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the > > wall > >>>>> next > >>>>>>> to his bed > >>>>>>>> > for > >>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and > >>>>> Ramakrishna > >>>>>>> in the next > >>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This > > man > >>>>> always > >>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed > >>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never > >>> really > >>>>>>> stopped me > >>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being > > successful > >>>>> at a > >>>>>>> few things > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There > >>> was > >>>>> a > >>>>>>> moment when > >>>>>>>> > I > >>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology > >>>>>>> miscellany quizzes > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly > > showed > >>>>> it > >>>>>>> to him. He > >>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! > >>>>> One of > >>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>> > favourite > >>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! > >>> Unfortunately > >>>>>>> most of us do > >>>>>>>> > not > >>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that. > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being > > irrelevant. > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality > > has > >>>>> much > >>>>>>> more power > >>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is > >>>>> FLEXIBLE, > >>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> > respects > >>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades > > through > >>>>> each > >>>>>>> and every > >>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life! > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the > >>>>> fullest > >>>>>>>> > expression of > >>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully > >>>>> enjoying > >>>>>>> those, > >>>>>>>> > never > >>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > RR > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > , > > srinivasa > >>>>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir > >>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words- > >>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever > >>>>>>> cosmological > >>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God > >>>>> reveals > >>>>>>> himself > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > >>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and > >>>>> Shiva > >>>>>>> along with > >>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva > > etc,and > >>>>>>> others like > >>>>>>>> > Shirdi > >>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus > >>> Christ,Prophet > >>>>>>> Mohammed etc > >>>>>>>> > all > >>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for > >>>>>>> bringing in the > >>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony. > >>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more > > madeout > >>> by > >>>>>>> selfish > >>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain > >>> false > >>>>>>> sympathy and > >>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more > >>>>> personal > >>>>>>> or for a > >>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > >>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code- > > The > >>>>> people > >>>>>>> (some) > >>>>>>>> > are > >>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae > >>> theselves > >>>>>>> are not > >>>>>>>> > > bothering > >>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the > >>>>>>> question is the > >>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of > >>> creativeness > >>>>>>> and freedom > >>>>>>>> > of > >>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna > >>> married > >>>>> 8 > >>>>>>> women and > >>>>>>>> > gave > >>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the > >>>>> truth > >>>>>>> was never > >>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the > >>>>>>> importance of > >>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of > >>>>>>> TheDivine even > >>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as > >>>>> truth > >>>>>>> that jesus > >>>>>>>> > was > >>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty > > (in > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> name of > >>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the > >>>>> truth.Some > >>>>>>> day we > >>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch > >>> on > >>>>>>> which we're > >>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish > >>>>> desires > >>>>>>> these > >>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of > >>>>> religious > >>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll > >>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > >>> without > >>>>>>> warning.So > >>>>>>>> > please > >>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of > >>>>>>> expression media > >>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous > >>>>>>> boundaries. > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> regards > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >> Sri, > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your > >>>>> message > >>>>>>> but when > >>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the > >>> image > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> a Kind and > >>>>>>>> > > > Wise > >>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best > >>>>> interests > >>>>>>>> > (actually > >>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have > >>>>> stood > >>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>> > religions > >>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would > >>>>> they > >>>>>>> still be > >>>>>>>> > here? > >>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity > > that > >>>>> has > >>>>>>> been > >>>>>>>> > > > associated > >>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or > > another. > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though > >>> with > >>>>> some > >>>>>>>> > difficulty! > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> RR > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> , > >>> srinivasa > >>>>>>> murthy adavi > >>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members, > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on > >>> the > >>>>>>> sermon > >>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > >>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a > >>>>> particular > >>>>>>> mantra(when > >>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done > >>>>> based > >>>>>>> on saatwik > >>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH > >>> AdiSankaracharya > >>>>> or > >>>>>>> Other > >>>>>>>> > Revered > >>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if > >>> prescribed > >>>>>>> mantra is > >>>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>>> > > > apt > >>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead > >>> to > >>>>> a > >>>>>>> proper > >>>>>>>> > person > >>>>>>>> > > > at > >>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such > > that > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> native > >>>>>>>> > gets > >>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner > >>>>> fortitude > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> > withstand > >>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without > >>> letting > >>>>>>> him loose > >>>>>>>> > his > >>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in > > our > >>>>> work > >>>>>>> spot if we > >>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he > >>> will > >>>>>>> solve himself > >>>>>>>> > > > (if > >>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he > >>> will > >>>>>>> direct us to > >>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the > >>>>>>> authorised one). > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> regards > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. > >>> The > >>>>>>> quick remedy > >>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for > >>>>> shani, > >>>>>>> mars, > >>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu > >>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for > > example - > >>>>>>> jyotishi > >>>>>>>> > suggest > >>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? > >>>>> and if > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> > native > >>>>>>>> > > > is > >>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following > > krishna's > >>>>>>> pooja; then > >>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, > > then > >>>>> it > >>>>>>> must also > >>>>>>>> > be > >>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction > >>> etc > >>>>>>> can be > >>>>>>>> > remedied > >>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or > >>> say > >>>>>>> which dasha > >>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)... > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke > >>>>>>> powers) require > >>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not > >>> all > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such > > rituals > >>>>> well. > >>>>>>> and if > >>>>>>>> > does > >>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard > >>>>> excuse > >>>>>>> for the > >>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined > >>>>> vidhi of > >>>>>>> surya > >>>>>>>> > naman > >>>>>>>> > > > ( > >>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain > >>>>> circumstances), > >>>>>>> offering > >>>>>>>> > > > water > >>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja > > etc. > >>> I > >>>>> do > >>>>>>> not think, > >>>>>>>> > > > the > >>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going > > to > >>>>> help > >>>>>>> without > >>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals. > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how > > do > >>> we > >>>>>>> know, if the > >>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not > > required > >>>>> any > >>>>>>> more? > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>>>> produce > >>>>>>> it, and we > >>>>>>>> > > > star > >>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at > >>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya > >>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting > >>>>> proffessor ,told > >>>>>>> us > >>>>>>>> > students > >>>>>>>> > > > a > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in > >>>>>>> remedies,without > >>>>>>>> > > > knowledge, > >>>>>>>> > > >> its > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, > >>> of > >>>>> this > >>>>>>>> > statement > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results > >>>>> forthcoming > >>>>>>> or news > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy > > is > >>>>>>> suggested. Also > >>>>>>>> > > > it > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, > >>>>> when he > >>>>>>> suggests > >>>>>>>> > so > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is > > saying. > >>>>> For > >>>>>>> eg.for > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native > > to > >>> do > >>>>>>> pooja of > >>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the > >>> shakti > >>>>>>> may be one, > >>>>>>>> > > > but > >>>>>>>> > > >> the > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like > >>>>> sattwa, > >>>>>>> tamas or > >>>>>>>> > > >> rajas. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? > >>>>> Also > >>>>>>> at times > >>>>>>>> > > > stones > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the > >>> divine > >>>>>>> couloured > >>>>>>>> > rays > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case > >>>>> solidified > >>>>>>>> > state),also > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if > > suggested > >>>>>>> wrongly. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for > > Mahadasha > >>>>>>> lord, some for > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While > >>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>> the stone > >>>>>>>> > at > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric > >>> results > >>>>>>> also which > >>>>>>>> > > > would > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For > >>>>> ex.Libra > >>>>>>>> > > > native.Will > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? > > Only > >>>>>>> experience > >>>>>>>> > from > >>>>>>>> > > >> the > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. > >>>>> Talking of > >>>>>>> mantras, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi > >>>>> munis > >>>>>>> of ancient > >>>>>>>> > > >> times > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple > >>> recite > >>>>>>> the mantra > >>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the > > same > >>>>>>> mantra > >>>>>>>> > wrongly, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course > >>> they > >>>>>>> had the > >>>>>>>> > power > >>>>>>>> > > > to > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, > >>> but > >>>>>>> what about > >>>>>>>> > us > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for > >>> long, > >>>>> but > >>>>>>> the point > >>>>>>>> > > > is, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting > >>>>> remedies. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> , > >>> Prafulla > >>>>>>> Gang > >>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so > >>>>> please > >>>>>>> do not > >>>>>>>> > > > misread > >>>>>>>> > > >> me. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, > >>>>> curses > >>>>>>> etc in a > >>>>>>>> > > > chart > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per > >>> his > >>>>>>> experience). > >>>>>>>> > > >> Native > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some > > remedy > >>>>> (may > >>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>> > > > alternative > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly > > or > >>>>>>> unknowlingly > >>>>>>>> > > > (for > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful > >>> remedy > >>>>> for > >>>>>>> rahu / > >>>>>>>> > > > ketu; > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without > >>>>> thinking > >>>>>>> it as > >>>>>>>> > remedy > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket > >>>>> recommendation > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> > > > remedies, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / > > daily > >>>>>>> routine etc. > >>>>>>>> > > >> Should > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - > >>> Specifically - > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the > >>> curse / > >>>>>>> affliction > >>>>>>>> > > >> related > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at > >>>>> respective > >>>>>>> planetary > >>>>>>>> > > >> ages > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are > > considered > >>>>> to > >>>>>>> be fully > >>>>>>>> > > > done > >>>>>>>> > > >> or > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist > > like. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good > > practice > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially > >>>>> around > >>>>>>> mantras. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must > > be > >>>>> in > >>>>>>> line with > >>>>>>>> > > >> native's > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc > >>>>> involve > >>>>>>> lots of > >>>>>>>> > > >> rituals > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and > >>> assessment > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> its need > >>>>>>>> > is > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt > > so > >>>>>>> casually by > >>>>>>>> > > > fellow > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the > > list > >>>>>>> astrologers) > >>>>>>>> > and > >>>>>>>> > > >> to a > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for > >>> getting > >>>>>>> into > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we > >>>>> produce > >>>>>>> it, and > >>>>>>>> > we > >>>>>>>> > > >> star > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your > > life!! > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > >>>>>>> protection around > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been > >>>>> removed] > >>>>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > >>>>>>> protection around > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been > >>>>> removed] > >>>>>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > Prashantkumar G B > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > group > >>>>>>>> > > but > >>>>>>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, > >>>>> mail > >>>>>>> or phone. > >>>>>>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > >>>>>>>> > > 09840051861 > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out > >>> the > >>>>>>> handy > >>>>>>>> > changes to > >>>>>>>> > > . > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Prashantkumar G B > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > >>>>>>> group > >>>>>>>> > but > >>>>>>>> > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, > > mail > >>> or > >>>>>>> phone. > >>>>>>>> > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > >>>>>>>> > 09840051861 > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone > >>>>> calls. > >>>>>>> Great > >>>>>>>> > rates starting at 1¢/min. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Dear Members If all participating members feel that discussion on Sun in over, then we can request Pandit Arjun ji to move to next planet. Or, we can have one more day of discussions - if any of members have missed out. regards / Prafulla Gang This notion is more clearly understood by asking "What do I know?." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 dear friends before we close the discussion on remedies for sun, i request members to get their specific problems caused by sun clarified. as observed by some members, sun in lagna and sun in 7th house would cause marital problems unless the 7th lord is a benefic and well placed and is receiving benefic aspect from jupiter. with best wishes pandit arjun , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Members > > If all participating members feel that discussion on Sun in over, then we can request Pandit Arjun ji to move to next planet. > > Or, we can have one more day of discussions - if any of members have missed out. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > This notion is more clearly understood by asking "What do I know?." > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Shri Pandit Arjunji, Namaste. I take this as God send oppurtunity to ask You learned members as to clarify my problem. My Father aged 72 wortking with my brother also in family business, where I have spent 22 years of my life working.But due to differences have not been able to continue. Because I have never been allowed to hold key executions in business, neither to negotiate with any client, nor to give any order to sellers, nor to promise any payment to suppliers. I had always been given power only as sales person and handle payment collections to stay without knowing the intracasies. What is to come from sundry debtors, where investments is made, whom loans have been given (At times everything does not happen in paper), I am not allowed to know. So I have left them and not attending office for last one year or so. But I am being pestered all the time to come back. We are not on talking terms so cannot talk about my incomfortable position in the office.Otherwise also being from orthodox family we dont speak unless necessary to elders, unless as reply to a question or passing some message given by some one. I have not demanded any money or share from my father or brother uptil now, because it is not in my pschological system to do so. I request You to please let me know- Whether we will have re-union ? If Yes when ? Property inheritance would be there or not ?-for future sustenance. I am now acting as Broker for Mutual Funds for different Fund Houses after passing exam last year by NSE, and earned some money, but not regular income and not much to justify existence as man. Shall I continue my existing work and try to make it btter ? Shall I join my Father back ? You have my birth details if You require again You can have the same. The Sun is the main cause (of course due to my own past karmas) for all this.In Navamsha it placed in Capricorn with mercury. Please help in providing knowledge. Sincerely Yours. Bhaskar. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > before we close the discussion on remedies for sun, i request > members to get their specific problems caused by sun clarified. > > as observed by some members, sun in lagna and sun in 7th house would > cause marital problems unless the 7th lord is a benefic and well > placed and is receiving benefic aspect from jupiter. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Members > > > > If all participating members feel that discussion on Sun in over, > then we can request Pandit Arjun ji to move to next planet. > > > > Or, we can have one more day of discussions - if any of members > have missed out. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > This notion is more clearly understood by asking "What do I know?." > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 dear bhaskarji have seen your chart. here i give my simple reading: your sun is in rahu nakshatra. your moon is in ketu nakshatra. your rahu is in sun's sign leo. your sun is in 6th house in navamsha. your sun is debilitated in dasamamsha. your sun is in conjunction with rahu in dasamamsha. you have just started your rahu mahadasa. i am not doing any further micro analysis on other planets and bhavas, as i found the real culprit i.e. grahana yoga. it is my firm belief that if in any chart both sun and moon are weak, none of the benefic results promised by other planets fructify and none of the rajayogas promised in the chart come true. hence if you do a good remedy for sun, you shall see positive results soon. if sun is improved, moon his best reflector follows suit. the best remedy i can suggest you is to wear one bead of twelve mukh rudraksha in a gold chain after due purification, sanctification, energisation and programming. many of my customers who wore this got positive results within 43 days. in shivapuran it is written that in the wearer of 12mukh rudraksha, all 12 adityas shine in full glory which i intrepret as sun throwing light in all twelve houses. all planets revolve around sun in this solar system and sun is the lord of all planets. the praise of sun is also found in bible. few months ago, one person who is a manager in IT industry in delhi was not getting his foreign posting due to his sun afflicted in grahana yoga. he wore this 12mukh rudraksha and on the 43rd day he is on the flight to USA. later he sent two more people to me suffering from similar grahana yoga and both got sudden out of turn promotions within 43 days. in 99% cases the results are seen within 43 days and in few cases positive results happened with a delay. so the bottomline is that if sun and moon are in grahana yoga, the promised positive results in the chart would not come to the native, till sun and moon are made strong. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Shri Pandit Arjunji, > > Namaste. > I take this as God send oppurtunity to ask You learned members > as to clarify my problem. > > My Father aged 72 wortking with my brother also in family business, > where I have spent 22 years of my life working.But due to differences > have not been able to continue. Because I have never been allowed to > hold key executions in business, neither to negotiate with any > client, nor to give any order to sellers, nor to promise any payment > to suppliers. I had always been given power only as sales person and > handle payment collections to stay without knowing the intracasies. > What is to come from sundry debtors, where investments is made, > whom loans have been given (At times everything does not happen in > paper), I am not allowed to know. So I have left them and not > attending office for last one year or so. But I am being pestered all > the time to come back. We are not on talking terms so cannot > talk about my incomfortable position in the office.Otherwise also > being from orthodox family we dont speak unless necessary to elders, > unless as reply to a question or passing some message given by some > one. I have not demanded any money or share from my father or brother > uptil now, because it is not in my pschological system to do so. > I request You to please let me know- > Whether we will have re-union ? If Yes when ? > Property inheritance would be there or not ?-for future sustenance. > I am now acting as Broker for Mutual Funds for different Fund Houses > after passing exam last year by NSE, and earned some money, but not > regular income and not much to justify existence as man. > Shall I continue my existing work and try to make it btter ? > Shall I join my Father back ? > > You have my birth details if You require again You can have the same. > The Sun is the main cause (of course due to my own past karmas) > for all this.In Navamsha it placed in Capricorn with mercury. > > Please help in providing knowledge. > > Sincerely Yours. > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > before we close the discussion on remedies for sun, i request > > members to get their specific problems caused by sun clarified. > > > > as observed by some members, sun in lagna and sun in 7th house > would > > cause marital problems unless the 7th lord is a benefic and well > > placed and is receiving benefic aspect from jupiter. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > If all participating members feel that discussion on Sun in over, > > then we can request Pandit Arjun ji to move to next planet. > > > > > > Or, we can have one more day of discussions - if any of members > > have missed out. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > This notion is more clearly understood by asking "What do I > know?." > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Shri Panditji. Aapko Pranam. You have been very affectionate and was looking for your response foremost. You have mentioned- wear one bead of > twelve mukh rudraksha in a gold chain after due purification, > sanctification, energisation and programming. I do not have any proper known source to get this rudraksha nor anyone to do this sanctification. I believe You can do this. So I am requesting You (Nivedan) to please do this much for me, also I think You are in Delhi. I have contacts there who can send the required exp.and fees for the same.I have long left doing any remedies, but just normal pooja path., having reconciled to fate. I just want to live normal peaceful contented life with everyone in family well secured. I can also start doing other remedies whatever You suggest. If You find anything else in particular or want to ask any questions about my life, then please do not hesitate to do so. Also my horoscope Dasha printed at various shops show Rahu Maha dasha starting in 16th Jan 2007. Kindly check. Also please let me know do I have to send the Gold chain too to You / Or just take the rudraksh from You when its ready ? Thanks a billion. Yours affectionately, Bhaskar. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear bhaskarji > > have seen your chart. here i give my simple reading: > > your sun is in rahu nakshatra. > your moon is in ketu nakshatra. > your rahu is in sun's sign leo. > your sun is in 6th house in navamsha. > your sun is debilitated in dasamamsha. > your sun is in conjunction with rahu in dasamamsha. > you have just started your rahu mahadasa. > > i am not doing any further micro analysis on other planets and > bhavas, as i found the real culprit i.e. grahana yoga. > > it is my firm belief that if in any chart both sun and moon are > weak, none of the benefic results promised by other planets fructify > and none of the rajayogas promised in the chart come true. > > hence if you do a good remedy for sun, you shall see positive > results soon. if sun is improved, moon his best reflector follows > suit. the best remedy i can suggest you is to wear one bead of > twelve mukh rudraksha in a gold chain after due purification, > sanctification, energisation and programming. many of my customers > who wore this got positive results within 43 days. > > in shivapuran it is written that in the wearer of 12mukh rudraksha, > all 12 adityas shine in full glory which i intrepret as sun throwing > light in all twelve houses. all planets revolve around sun in this > solar system and sun is the lord of all planets. the praise of sun > is also found in bible. > > few months ago, one person who is a manager in IT industry in delhi > was not getting his foreign posting due to his sun afflicted in > grahana yoga. he wore this 12mukh rudraksha and on the 43rd day he > is on the flight to USA. later he sent two more people to me > suffering from similar grahana yoga and both got sudden out of turn > promotions within 43 days. in 99% cases the results are seen within > 43 days and in few cases positive results happened with a delay. > > so the bottomline is that if sun and moon are in grahana yoga, the > promised positive results in the chart would not come to the native, > till sun and moon are made strong. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Shri Pandit Arjunji, > > > > Namaste. > > I take this as God send oppurtunity to ask You learned members > > as to clarify my problem. > > > > My Father aged 72 wortking with my brother also in family > business, > > where I have spent 22 years of my life working.But due to > differences > > have not been able to continue. Because I have never been allowed > to > > hold key executions in business, neither to negotiate with any > > client, nor to give any order to sellers, nor to promise any > payment > > to suppliers. I had always been given power only as sales person > and > > handle payment collections to stay without knowing the > intracasies. > > What is to come from sundry debtors, where investments is made, > > whom loans have been given (At times everything does not happen in > > paper), I am not allowed to know. So I have left them and not > > attending office for last one year or so. But I am being pestered > all > > the time to come back. We are not on talking terms so cannot > > talk about my incomfortable position in the office.Otherwise also > > being from orthodox family we dont speak unless necessary to > elders, > > unless as reply to a question or passing some message given by > some > > one. I have not demanded any money or share from my father or > brother > > uptil now, because it is not in my pschological system to do so. > > I request You to please let me know- > > Whether we will have re-union ? If Yes when ? > > Property inheritance would be there or not ?-for future sustenance. > > I am now acting as Broker for Mutual Funds for different Fund > Houses > > after passing exam last year by NSE, and earned some money, but > not > > regular income and not much to justify existence as man. > > Shall I continue my existing work and try to make it btter ? > > Shall I join my Father back ? > > > > You have my birth details if You require again You can have the > same. > > The Sun is the main cause (of course due to my own past karmas) > > for all this.In Navamsha it placed in Capricorn with mercury. > > > > Please help in providing knowledge. > > > > Sincerely Yours. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > before we close the discussion on remedies for sun, i request > > > members to get their specific problems caused by sun clarified. > > > > > > as observed by some members, sun in lagna and sun in 7th house > > would > > > cause marital problems unless the 7th lord is a benefic and well > > > placed and is receiving benefic aspect from jupiter. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > > > If all participating members feel that discussion on Sun in > over, > > > then we can request Pandit Arjun ji to move to next planet. > > > > > > > > Or, we can have one more day of discussions - if any of > members > > > have missed out. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > This notion is more clearly understood by asking "What do I > > know?." > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 dear bhaskarji if you use lahiri ayanamsha, your rahu is still 5 odd months away. but i use raman ayanamsha in which he has already arrived on 5th day of the 5th month of this year. what a coincidence of number 5 and sun for a leo ascendant. if you religiously do sandhya vandanam and gayatri mantra chanting everyday besides aditya hridayam, you need not perform any other remedies. if sandhya vandanam is difficult, shivapuran suggests that as a prayaschit for not performing sandhyavandanam, you can chant gayatri. similarly if you cant recite aditya hridayam daily, do it on sundays. regarding procurement of rudraksha, let us not discuss in the public group as here we discuss only subject related matters. hence you please contact me on my contact details given below. with best wishes and blessings Pandit Arjun B-32A, 1st floor, Kalkaji, New Delhi-110019 Mobile # 9899860935 , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Shri Panditji. > > Aapko Pranam. > You have been very affectionate and was looking for your response > foremost. > You have mentioned- > wear one bead of > > twelve mukh rudraksha in a gold chain after due purification, > > sanctification, energisation and programming. > I do not have any proper known source to get this rudraksha nor > anyone to do this sanctification. I believe You can do this. > So I am requesting You (Nivedan) to please do this much for me, > also I think You are in Delhi. I have contacts there who can send > the required exp.and fees for the same.I have long left > doing any remedies, but just normal pooja path., having reconciled > to fate. I just want to live normal peaceful contented life with > everyone in family well secured. > > I can also start doing other remedies whatever You suggest. > If You find anything else in particular or want to ask any questions > about my life, then please do not hesitate to do so. > > Also my horoscope Dasha printed at various shops show Rahu Maha dasha > starting in 16th Jan 2007. Kindly check. > > Also please let me know do I have to send the Gold chain too to You / > Or just take the rudraksh from You when its ready ? > > Thanks a billion. > > Yours affectionately, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear bhaskarji > > > > have seen your chart. here i give my simple reading: > > > > your sun is in rahu nakshatra. > > your moon is in ketu nakshatra. > > your rahu is in sun's sign leo. > > your sun is in 6th house in navamsha. > > your sun is debilitated in dasamamsha. > > your sun is in conjunction with rahu in dasamamsha. > > you have just started your rahu mahadasa. > > > > i am not doing any further micro analysis on other planets and > > bhavas, as i found the real culprit i.e. grahana yoga. > > > > it is my firm belief that if in any chart both sun and moon are > > weak, none of the benefic results promised by other planets > fructify > > and none of the rajayogas promised in the chart come true. > > > > hence if you do a good remedy for sun, you shall see positive > > results soon. if sun is improved, moon his best reflector follows > > suit. the best remedy i can suggest you is to wear one bead of > > twelve mukh rudraksha in a gold chain after due purification, > > sanctification, energisation and programming. many of my customers > > who wore this got positive results within 43 days. > > > > in shivapuran it is written that in the wearer of 12mukh rudraksha, > > all 12 adityas shine in full glory which i intrepret as sun > throwing > > light in all twelve houses. all planets revolve around sun in this > > solar system and sun is the lord of all planets. the praise of sun > > is also found in bible. > > > > few months ago, one person who is a manager in IT industry in delhi > > was not getting his foreign posting due to his sun afflicted in > > grahana yoga. he wore this 12mukh rudraksha and on the 43rd day he > > is on the flight to USA. later he sent two more people to me > > suffering from similar grahana yoga and both got sudden out of turn > > promotions within 43 days. in 99% cases the results are seen > within > > 43 days and in few cases positive results happened with a delay. > > > > so the bottomline is that if sun and moon are in grahana yoga, the > > promised positive results in the chart would not come to the > native, > > till sun and moon are made strong. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Shri Pandit Arjunji, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > I take this as God send oppurtunity to ask You learned members > > > as to clarify my problem. > > > > > > My Father aged 72 wortking with my brother also in family > > business, > > > where I have spent 22 years of my life working.But due to > > differences > > > have not been able to continue. Because I have never been allowed > > to > > > hold key executions in business, neither to negotiate with any > > > client, nor to give any order to sellers, nor to promise any > > payment > > > to suppliers. I had always been given power only as sales person > > and > > > handle payment collections to stay without knowing the > > intracasies. > > > What is to come from sundry debtors, where investments is made, > > > whom loans have been given (At times everything does not happen > in > > > paper), I am not allowed to know. So I have left them and not > > > attending office for last one year or so. But I am being pestered > > all > > > the time to come back. We are not on talking terms so cannot > > > talk about my incomfortable position in the office.Otherwise also > > > being from orthodox family we dont speak unless necessary to > > elders, > > > unless as reply to a question or passing some message given by > > some > > > one. I have not demanded any money or share from my father or > > brother > > > uptil now, because it is not in my pschological system to do so. > > > I request You to please let me know- > > > Whether we will have re-union ? If Yes when ? > > > Property inheritance would be there or not ?-for future > sustenance. > > > I am now acting as Broker for Mutual Funds for different Fund > > Houses > > > after passing exam last year by NSE, and earned some money, but > > not > > > regular income and not much to justify existence as man. > > > Shall I continue my existing work and try to make it btter ? > > > Shall I join my Father back ? > > > > > > You have my birth details if You require again You can have the > > same. > > > The Sun is the main cause (of course due to my own past karmas) > > > for all this.In Navamsha it placed in Capricorn with mercury. > > > > > > Please help in providing knowledge. > > > > > > Sincerely Yours. > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > before we close the discussion on remedies for sun, i request > > > > members to get their specific problems caused by sun clarified. > > > > > > > > as observed by some members, sun in lagna and sun in 7th house > > > would > > > > cause marital problems unless the 7th lord is a benefic and > well > > > > placed and is receiving benefic aspect from jupiter. > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > > > > > If all participating members feel that discussion on Sun in > > over, > > > > then we can request Pandit Arjun ji to move to next planet. > > > > > > > > > > Or, we can have one more day of discussions - if any of > > members > > > > have missed out. > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > This notion is more clearly understood by asking "What do I > > > know?." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Shri Panditji, Sir, Aditya Hrdyam I can recite daily. Sandhya vandanam what to do-how to do-which mantras? and should they be done 15-20 minutes before local sunset time ? Gayatri mantra-there are so many varieties. since I am not a Brahmin which form of Gayatri is okay for me-for grahast ? With samput or not ? Can the grahana be reverted as per Your experience ? And so temporarily, or till rest of life ? And do the other yogas start fructifying after that ? Is this formation, due to purva janam paap? I also remember 20 years back one of my Uncles visited a Nadi astrologer in South with his own horoscope (Not mines), and he was told by that Nadi person that Your elder nephew has Sun affliction in his chart. How do things fall in places so coincidentally ? I remember my Uncle telling me not to have salt on Sunday and neither family life on that day...which was all forgotten by me with the passage of the years. Sir please advise accordingly. Yours affectionately, Bhaskar. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear bhaskarji > > if you use lahiri ayanamsha, your rahu is still 5 odd months away. > but i use raman ayanamsha in which he has already arrived on 5th day > of the 5th month of this year. what a coincidence of number 5 and > sun for a leo ascendant. > > if you religiously do sandhya vandanam and gayatri mantra chanting > everyday besides aditya hridayam, you need not perform any other > remedies. if sandhya vandanam is difficult, shivapuran suggests that > as a prayaschit for not performing sandhyavandanam, you can chant > gayatri. similarly if you cant recite aditya hridayam daily, do it > on sundays. > > regarding procurement of rudraksha, let us not discuss in the public > group as here we discuss only subject related matters. hence you > please contact me on my contact details given below. > > with best wishes and blessings > > Pandit Arjun > B-32A, 1st floor, Kalkaji, New Delhi-110019 > Mobile # 9899860935 > > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Shri Panditji. > > > > Aapko Pranam. > > You have been very affectionate and was looking for your response > > foremost. > > You have mentioned- > > wear one bead of > > > twelve mukh rudraksha in a gold chain after due purification, > > > sanctification, energisation and programming. > > I do not have any proper known source to get this rudraksha nor > > anyone to do this sanctification. I believe You can do this. > > So I am requesting You (Nivedan) to please do this much for me, > > also I think You are in Delhi. I have contacts there who can send > > the required exp.and fees for the same.I have long left > > doing any remedies, but just normal pooja path., having reconciled > > to fate. I just want to live normal peaceful contented life with > > everyone in family well secured. > > > > I can also start doing other remedies whatever You suggest. > > If You find anything else in particular or want to ask any > questions > > about my life, then please do not hesitate to do so. > > > > Also my horoscope Dasha printed at various shops show Rahu Maha > dasha > > starting in 16th Jan 2007. Kindly check. > > > > Also please let me know do I have to send the Gold chain too to > You / > > Or just take the rudraksh from You when its ready ? > > > > Thanks a billion. > > > > Yours affectionately, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear bhaskarji > > > > > > have seen your chart. here i give my simple reading: > > > > > > your sun is in rahu nakshatra. > > > your moon is in ketu nakshatra. > > > your rahu is in sun's sign leo. > > > your sun is in 6th house in navamsha. > > > your sun is debilitated in dasamamsha. > > > your sun is in conjunction with rahu in dasamamsha. > > > you have just started your rahu mahadasa. > > > > > > i am not doing any further micro analysis on other planets and > > > bhavas, as i found the real culprit i.e. grahana yoga. > > > > > > it is my firm belief that if in any chart both sun and moon are > > > weak, none of the benefic results promised by other planets > > fructify > > > and none of the rajayogas promised in the chart come true. > > > > > > hence if you do a good remedy for sun, you shall see positive > > > results soon. if sun is improved, moon his best reflector > follows > > > suit. the best remedy i can suggest you is to wear one bead of > > > twelve mukh rudraksha in a gold chain after due purification, > > > sanctification, energisation and programming. many of my > customers > > > who wore this got positive results within 43 days. > > > > > > in shivapuran it is written that in the wearer of 12mukh > rudraksha, > > > all 12 adityas shine in full glory which i intrepret as sun > > throwing > > > light in all twelve houses. all planets revolve around sun in > this > > > solar system and sun is the lord of all planets. the praise of > sun > > > is also found in bible. > > > > > > few months ago, one person who is a manager in IT industry in > delhi > > > was not getting his foreign posting due to his sun afflicted in > > > grahana yoga. he wore this 12mukh rudraksha and on the 43rd day > he > > > is on the flight to USA. later he sent two more people to me > > > suffering from similar grahana yoga and both got sudden out of > turn > > > promotions within 43 days. in 99% cases the results are seen > > within > > > 43 days and in few cases positive results happened with a delay. > > > > > > so the bottomline is that if sun and moon are in grahana yoga, > the > > > promised positive results in the chart would not come to the > > native, > > > till sun and moon are made strong. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri Pandit Arjunji, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > I take this as God send oppurtunity to ask You learned members > > > > as to clarify my problem. > > > > > > > > My Father aged 72 wortking with my brother also in family > > > business, > > > > where I have spent 22 years of my life working.But due to > > > differences > > > > have not been able to continue. Because I have never been > allowed > > > to > > > > hold key executions in business, neither to negotiate with any > > > > client, nor to give any order to sellers, nor to promise any > > > payment > > > > to suppliers. I had always been given power only as sales > person > > > and > > > > handle payment collections to stay without knowing the > > > intracasies. > > > > What is to come from sundry debtors, where investments is made, > > > > whom loans have been given (At times everything does not > happen > > in > > > > paper), I am not allowed to know. So I have left them and not > > > > attending office for last one year or so. But I am being > pestered > > > all > > > > the time to come back. We are not on talking terms so cannot > > > > talk about my incomfortable position in the office.Otherwise > also > > > > being from orthodox family we dont speak unless necessary to > > > elders, > > > > unless as reply to a question or passing some message given by > > > some > > > > one. I have not demanded any money or share from my father or > > > brother > > > > uptil now, because it is not in my pschological system to do > so. > > > > I request You to please let me know- > > > > Whether we will have re-union ? If Yes when ? > > > > Property inheritance would be there or not ?-for future > > sustenance. > > > > I am now acting as Broker for Mutual Funds for different Fund > > > Houses > > > > after passing exam last year by NSE, and earned some money, > but > > > not > > > > regular income and not much to justify existence as man. > > > > Shall I continue my existing work and try to make it btter ? > > > > Shall I join my Father back ? > > > > > > > > You have my birth details if You require again You can have > the > > > same. > > > > The Sun is the main cause (of course due to my own past karmas) > > > > for all this.In Navamsha it placed in Capricorn with mercury. > > > > > > > > Please help in providing knowledge. > > > > > > > > Sincerely Yours. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > before we close the discussion on remedies for sun, i > request > > > > > members to get their specific problems caused by sun > clarified. > > > > > > > > > > as observed by some members, sun in lagna and sun in 7th > house > > > > would > > > > > cause marital problems unless the 7th lord is a benefic and > > well > > > > > placed and is receiving benefic aspect from jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > > > <jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > > > > > > > If all participating members feel that discussion on Sun > in > > > over, > > > > > then we can request Pandit Arjun ji to move to next planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Or, we can have one more day of discussions - if any of > > > members > > > > > have missed out. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > This notion is more clearly understood by asking "What do > I > > > > know?." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 dear Sri Bhaskar, Sandhya vandanam audio cassettes are available and u do have "how to perform sandhya vandanam" book, u can buy these two and follow the same. all u need is pancha patra udhrini ie copper/brass tumbler, plate and spoon.this cassette chants mantras for morning, afternoon and sunset. U can follow yajur vedam since sama vedam has more of expressing mantras in a song manner. with good wishes, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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