Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Prafulla, About sadesati and D9 or navamsha position of the moon, may I point you to: http://www.boloji.com/astro/00331.htm for a perspective on this matter? RR , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > In addition to your analogy, My understanding of sade sati is: > > Vedic astrology is lunar based astrology (dasha phal is from moon's constellation, we take moon's nodes rahu / ketu as karmic planets etc...). 12th and 2nd house is bandhana for native, and in a way transit from 12th to 2nd bhava from moon is bandhana to entire dasha phal. During sade sati dasha cease to work, and native gets the results strictly per his efforts (karma)..in other words, bhagya phal comes to halt. > > Now why Moon's position in D9 instead of rashi chart? Perhaps bhagya is indicated by D9 and if bhagya has to cease ist existence, that is why D9. > > Yes, in transit when shani touches natal planets - their respective results are observed to suffer. BTW, saturn's transit in lagna is considered good. Nadi (Deva keralam) prescribes this rule in D9. I presume, same can be extended to other vargas (not sure of rashi chart). > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > gbp_kumar > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 > > > > Bhaskar, > > Sade-sat is a limb of Gochara and all gochara r normally based on > > chandra WHY? what do all the Puranasa, ithasas, upanishads say.... Mind > > over matter. > > > > the invincible men or rakshas did succumb to small issues of the mind > > Be it Bali chakravarthi a good king but did have the ego that he was the > > giver and unlimite and forgot he was given by the ultimate giver his > > moksha comes thru it > > so did ravana in penultmate day when Rama asked him as a charriot, > > charioteer, weaponless man to come back tommorrow with it, this hurt his > > ego a mere mortal could say it to him if he igoored it and came back he > > could have still invincile with all his boons his mind lost the internal > > strenght he had. > > > > so SADE-SAT over chandra is crucial for real study > > and over sun it is always true when Ravi tranists sani some set back to > > father and patrnal circles will be there and over Moon to mother and > > maternal circles health, finance u can see me sayign it in posts where > > this sade-sat has come even last week uc an find some. > > > > and so too Ssani on all other karakas, but we CAN'T GIVE EACH 7.5 YRS > > JUST A TRANSIT OR MALEFIC aspect. > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Yesterday attended one astrological lecture. The lecturer > > who was also talking on Sadesathi mentioned that we normally take > > sadesathi when it appears on Moon, but we should check the effects > > also with reference to the Sun and Ascendant, both, and treat the > > same way as treated to Moon Sadesathi.Moon,he said the effect would > > be mentall toll, > > with Sun normally an elder of the family goes (I experienced this 3.5 > > years back when Sat entered gemini near Natal Sun, my fathers elder > > brother expired and my father also suffered deodnal rupture in > > intestines and admitted to Jaslok hospital in Bombay in serious > > condition, but saved and stayed at hospital for 3 months).,also > > will power loosens, affects decesion making,connected to atma,etc. > > For the Ascendant I was told,it takes toll on the physical body > > of the native, specially if Saturn is lord of, or connected to > > 6,8,12th house of ones horoscope and also if MahaDasha Lord permits > > this to happen. Start counting Sadesathi 45 Degrees on either side of > > Ascendant,Sun or Moon and not when entered Rashi.,we were told. > > These rules also come in Nadi, but all the same, some points to > > ponder . > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Prafulla, I am glad you liked it. My reason for giving the URL was to address your question about navamsha and sadesati (Katweji's siddhant originally!) RR , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji > > Yes, It is indeed a very comprehensive article on SadeSati. I read this few years back (perhaps from another URL). > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > jyotish_vani > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:59:01 -0000 > > > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 > > > > Prafulla, > > > > About sadesati and D9 or navamsha position of the moon, may I point > > you to: > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00331.htm > > > > for a perspective on this matter? > > > > RR > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Shri Kumar ji > >> > >> In addition to your analogy, My understanding of sade sati is: > >> > >> Vedic astrology is lunar based astrology (dasha phal is from moon's > > constellation, we take moon's nodes rahu / ketu as karmic planets > > etc...). 12th and 2nd house is bandhana for native, and in a way > > transit from 12th to 2nd bhava from moon is bandhana to entire dasha > > phal. During sade sati dasha cease to work, and native gets the > > results strictly per his efforts (karma)..in other words, bhagya phal > > comes to halt. > >> > >> Now why Moon's position in D9 instead of rashi chart? Perhaps > > bhagya is indicated by D9 and if bhagya has to cease ist existence, > > that is why D9. > >> > >> Yes, in transit when shani touches natal planets - their respective > > results are observed to suffer. BTW, saturn's transit in lagna is > > considered good. Nadi (Deva keralam) prescribes this rule in D9. I > > presume, same can be extended to other vargas (not sure of rashi > > chart). > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> After every "victory" you have more enemies. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> gbp_kumar@ > >>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) > >>> > >>> Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 > >>> > >>> Bhaskar, > >>> Sade-sat is a limb of Gochara and all gochara r normally based > > on > >>> chandra WHY? what do all the Puranasa, ithasas, upanishads > > say.... Mind > >>> over matter. > >>> > >>> the invincible men or rakshas did succumb to small issues of > > the mind > >>> Be it Bali chakravarthi a good king but did have the ego that he > > was the > >>> giver and unlimite and forgot he was given by the ultimate giver > > his > >>> moksha comes thru it > >>> so did ravana in penultmate day when Rama asked him as a > > charriot, > >>> charioteer, weaponless man to come back tommorrow with it, this > > hurt his > >>> ego a mere mortal could say it to him if he igoored it and came > > back he > >>> could have still invincile with all his boons his mind lost the > > internal > >>> strenght he had. > >>> > >>> so SADE-SAT over chandra is crucial for real study > >>> and over sun it is always true when Ravi tranists sani some set > > back to > >>> father and patrnal circles will be there and over Moon to mother > > and > >>> maternal circles health, finance u can see me sayign it in > > posts where > >>> this sade-sat has come even last week uc an find some. > >>> > >>> and so too Ssani on all other karakas, but we CAN'T GIVE EACH > > 7.5 YRS > >>> JUST A TRANSIT OR MALEFIC aspect. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear Members, > >>> > >>> Yesterday attended one astrological lecture. The lecturer > >>> who was also talking on Sadesathi mentioned that we normally > > take > >>> sadesathi when it appears on Moon, but we should check the > > effects > >>> also with reference to the Sun and Ascendant, both, and treat > > the > >>> same way as treated to Moon Sadesathi.Moon,he said the effect > > would > >>> be mentall toll, > >>> with Sun normally an elder of the family goes (I experienced > > this 3.5 > >>> years back when Sat entered gemini near Natal Sun, my fathers > > elder > >>> brother expired and my father also suffered deodnal rupture in > >>> intestines and admitted to Jaslok hospital in Bombay in serious > >>> condition, but saved and stayed at hospital for 3 months).,also > >>> will power loosens, affects decesion making,connected to > > atma,etc. > >>> For the Ascendant I was told,it takes toll on the physical body > >>> of the native, specially if Saturn is lord of, or connected to > >>> 6,8,12th house of ones horoscope and also if MahaDasha Lord > > permits > >>> this to happen. Start counting Sadesathi 45 Degrees on either > > side of > >>> Ascendant,Sun or Moon and not when entered Rashi.,we were told. > >>> These rules also come in Nadi, but all the same, some points to > >>> ponder . > >>> > >>> Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Yes -- he has moved on (God rest his soul!) and we are all left behind to figure out what is what! K.N. Rao calls it 'romantic' part of jyotish in a few of his books. Not what Santhanam ji wrote, mind you, but radical departures from the convention. He actually endorsed it, the 'romantic' jyotish, BUT on certain conditions. I don't recall all of those. You would have to study his many books! RR , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji, > > yes, In fact - You guided me on Katve ji's theory in one of the thread. > > Surprisingly, not many old texts talk about sade sati very clearly. Deva keralam adds another interesting clue to transit interpretation by defining harmful transit of saturn over natal planets in D9 (Santhanam ji extended this for other krur planets like rahu / ketu) and guru's transit over natal planets in D9 as benefic one. These verses, do not discrimate between saturn / guru being shubha or ashubha for specific lagna (always rferred with D9). This is something, which santhanam ji provided in his commentary. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > jyotish_vani > > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:35:23 -0000 > > > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 > > > > Prafulla, I am glad you liked it. > > > > My reason for giving the URL was to address your question about > > navamsha and sadesati (Katweji's siddhant originally!) > > > > > > RR > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Ranjan ji > >> > >> Yes, It is indeed a very comprehensive article on SadeSati. I read > > this few years back (perhaps from another URL). > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> After every "victory" you have more enemies. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> jyotish_vani@ > >>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:59:01 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 > >>> > >>> Prafulla, > >>> > >>> About sadesati and D9 or navamsha position of the moon, may I > > point > >>> you to: > >>> > >>> http://www.boloji.com/astro/00331.htm > >>> > >>> for a perspective on this matter? > >>> > >>> RR > >>> > >>> > >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji > >>>> > >>>> In addition to your analogy, My understanding of sade sati is: > >>>> > >>>> Vedic astrology is lunar based astrology (dasha phal is from > > moon's > >>> constellation, we take moon's nodes rahu / ketu as karmic planets > >>> etc...). 12th and 2nd house is bandhana for native, and in a way > >>> transit from 12th to 2nd bhava from moon is bandhana to entire > > dasha > >>> phal. During sade sati dasha cease to work, and native gets the > >>> results strictly per his efforts (karma)..in other words, bhagya > > phal > >>> comes to halt. > >>>> > >>>> Now why Moon's position in D9 instead of rashi chart? Perhaps > >>> bhagya is indicated by D9 and if bhagya has to cease ist > > existence, > >>> that is why D9. > >>>> > >>>> Yes, in transit when shani touches natal planets - their > > respective > >>> results are observed to suffer. BTW, saturn's transit in lagna is > >>> considered good. Nadi (Deva keralam) prescribes this rule in D9. I > >>> presume, same can be extended to other vargas (not sure of rashi > >>> chart). > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> After every "victory" you have more enemies. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> gbp_kumar@ > >>>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>> > >>>>> Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 > >>>>> > >>>>> Bhaskar, > >>>>> Sade-sat is a limb of Gochara and all gochara r normally based > >>> on > >>>>> chandra WHY? what do all the Puranasa, ithasas, upanishads > >>> say.... Mind > >>>>> over matter. > >>>>> > >>>>> the invincible men or rakshas did succumb to small issues of > >>> the mind > >>>>> Be it Bali chakravarthi a good king but did have the ego that he > >>> was the > >>>>> giver and unlimite and forgot he was given by the ultimate giver > >>> his > >>>>> moksha comes thru it > >>>>> so did ravana in penultmate day when Rama asked him as a > >>> charriot, > >>>>> charioteer, weaponless man to come back tommorrow with it, this > >>> hurt his > >>>>> ego a mere mortal could say it to him if he igoored it and came > >>> back he > >>>>> could have still invincile with all his boons his mind lost the > >>> internal > >>>>> strenght he had. > >>>>> > >>>>> so SADE-SAT over chandra is crucial for real study > >>>>> and over sun it is always true when Ravi tranists sani some > > set > >>> back to > >>>>> father and patrnal circles will be there and over Moon to mother > >>> and > >>>>> maternal circles health, finance u can see me sayign it in > >>> posts where > >>>>> this sade-sat has come even last week uc an find some. > >>>>> > >>>>> and so too Ssani on all other karakas, but we CAN'T GIVE EACH > >>> 7.5 YRS > >>>>> JUST A TRANSIT OR MALEFIC aspect. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear > > Members, > >>>>> > >>>>> Yesterday attended one astrological lecture. The lecturer > >>>>> who was also talking on Sadesathi mentioned that we normally > >>> take > >>>>> sadesathi when it appears on Moon, but we should check the > >>> effects > >>>>> also with reference to the Sun and Ascendant, both, and treat > >>> the > >>>>> same way as treated to Moon Sadesathi.Moon,he said the effect > >>> would > >>>>> be mentall toll, > >>>>> with Sun normally an elder of the family goes (I experienced > >>> this 3.5 > >>>>> years back when Sat entered gemini near Natal Sun, my fathers > >>> elder > >>>>> brother expired and my father also suffered deodnal rupture in > >>>>> intestines and admitted to Jaslok hospital in Bombay in > > serious > >>>>> condition, but saved and stayed at hospital for 3 > > months).,also > >>>>> will power loosens, affects decesion making,connected to > >>> atma,etc. > >>>>> For the Ascendant I was told,it takes toll on the physical > > body > >>>>> of the native, specially if Saturn is lord of, or connected to > >>>>> 6,8,12th house of ones horoscope and also if MahaDasha Lord > >>> permits > >>>>> this to happen. Start counting Sadesathi 45 Degrees on either > >>> side of > >>>>> Ascendant,Sun or Moon and not when entered Rashi.,we were > > told. > >>>>> These rules also come in Nadi, but all the same, some points > > to > >>>>> ponder . > >>>>> > >>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. > >>>>> > >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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