Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Dear Prafulla, I agree the points u have aid too. and one more in the mixed area Lagna and Chandra when Sani is in 10th of either of them or 10th lord one looses a job, resigns/sacked or busines venture may close down if multi product company one or tow of them may be shelved. funds crunch will force it even big names get a jolt. Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Shri Kumar ji In addition to your analogy, My understanding of sade sati is: Vedic astrology is lunar based astrology (dasha phal is from moon's constellation, we take moon's nodes rahu / ketu as karmic planets etc...). 12th and 2nd house is bandhana for native, and in a way transit from 12th to 2nd bhava from moon is bandhana to entire dasha phal. During sade sati dasha cease to work, and native gets the results strictly per his efforts (karma)..in other words, bhagya phal comes to halt. Now why Moon's position in D9 instead of rashi chart? Perhaps bhagya is indicated by D9 and if bhagya has to cease ist existence, that is why D9. Yes, in transit when shani touches natal planets - their respective results are observed to suffer. BTW, saturn's transit in lagna is considered good. Nadi (Deva keralam) prescribes this rule in D9. I presume, same can be extended to other vargas (not sure of rashi chart). regards / Prafulla Gang After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > gbp_kumar > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 > > Bhaskar, > Sade-sat is a limb of Gochara and all gochara r normally based on > chandra WHY? what do all the Puranasa, ithasas, upanishads say.... Mind > over matter. > > the invincible men or rakshas did succumb to small issues of the mind > Be it Bali chakravarthi a good king but did have the ego that he was the > giver and unlimite and forgot he was given by the ultimate giver his > moksha comes thru it > so did ravana in penultmate day when Rama asked him as a charriot, > charioteer, weaponless man to come back tommorrow with it, this hurt his > ego a mere mortal could say it to him if he igoored it and came back he > could have still invincile with all his boons his mind lost the internal > strenght he had. > > so SADE-SAT over chandra is crucial for real study > and over sun it is always true when Ravi tranists sani some set back to > father and patrnal circles will be there and over Moon to mother and > maternal circles health, finance u can see me sayign it in posts where > this sade-sat has come even last week uc an find some. > > and so too Ssani on all other karakas, but we CAN'T GIVE EACH 7.5 YRS > JUST A TRANSIT OR MALEFIC aspect. > > > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > Dear Members, > > Yesterday attended one astrological lecture. The lecturer > who was also talking on Sadesathi mentioned that we normally take > sadesathi when it appears on Moon, but we should check the effects > also with reference to the Sun and Ascendant, both, and treat the > same way as treated to Moon Sadesathi.Moon,he said the effect would > be mentall toll, > with Sun normally an elder of the family goes (I experienced this 3.5 > years back when Sat entered gemini near Natal Sun, my fathers elder > brother expired and my father also suffered deodnal rupture in > intestines and admitted to Jaslok hospital in Bombay in serious > condition, but saved and stayed at hospital for 3 months).,also > will power loosens, affects decesion making,connected to atma,etc. > For the Ascendant I was told,it takes toll on the physical body > of the native, specially if Saturn is lord of, or connected to > 6,8,12th house of ones horoscope and also if MahaDasha Lord permits > this to happen. Start counting Sadesathi 45 Degrees on either side of > Ascendant,Sun or Moon and not when entered Rashi.,we were told. > These rules also come in Nadi, but all the same, some points to > ponder . > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Dear Prashant, Bhaskar and Prafulla, this thread is really educative and interesting one... Bhaskar: your posts are educative with many technicalities which is really good for learners like me. I will definitely come back to you on all your posts with my own doubts .... Prashant and Prafulla I consider saturn's transit in 7th from moon as very dificult phase as sometimes sade sati never troubles so much really. Coming to prafulla's question, when saturn happens to be yogakaraka (i add lord of the lagna),it makes one to work hard but equally rewards follows......in the end analysis, it proves to very much good one. Prashant and Prafulla what is the role of gochara vedas in sade sani and other planetary transits.... regards sriganeshh , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri kumar ji > > Will these results also be there, if saturn in yoga graha? > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > gbp_kumar > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:51:32 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 -2 > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > I agree the points u have aid too. and one more in the mixed area Lagna > > and Chandra > > when Sani is in 10th of either of them or 10th lord one looses a job, > > resigns/sacked or busines venture may close down if multi product > > company one or tow of them may be shelved. funds crunch will force it > > even big names get a jolt. > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > > > In addition to your analogy, My understanding of sade sati is: > > > > Vedic astrology is lunar based astrology (dasha phal is from moon's > > constellation, we take moon's nodes rahu / ketu as karmic planets > > etc...). 12th and 2nd house is bandhana for native, and in a way transit > > from 12th to 2nd bhava from moon is bandhana to entire dasha phal. > > During sade sati dasha cease to work, and native gets the results > > strictly per his efforts (karma)..in other words, bhagya phal comes to > > halt. > > > > Now why Moon's position in D9 instead of rashi chart? Perhaps bhagya is > > indicated by D9 and if bhagya has to cease ist existence, that is why > > D9. > > > > Yes, in transit when shani touches natal planets - their respective > > results are observed to suffer. BTW, saturn's transit in lagna is > > considered good. Nadi (Deva keralam) prescribes this rule in D9. I > > presume, same can be extended to other vargas (not sure of rashi chart). > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > > > gbp_kumar > > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 > > > > > > Bhaskar, > > > Sade-sat is a limb of Gochara and all gochara r normally based on > > > chandra WHY? what do all the Puranasa, ithasas, upanishads say.... > > Mind > > > over matter. > > > > > > the invincible men or rakshas did succumb to small issues of the > > mind > > > Be it Bali chakravarthi a good king but did have the ego that he was > > the > > > giver and unlimite and forgot he was given by the ultimate giver his > > > moksha comes thru it > > > so did ravana in penultmate day when Rama asked him as a charriot, > > > charioteer, weaponless man to come back tommorrow with it, this hurt > > his > > > ego a mere mortal could say it to him if he igoored it and came back > > he > > > could have still invincile with all his boons his mind lost the > > internal > > > strenght he had. > > > > > > so SADE-SAT over chandra is crucial for real study > > > and over sun it is always true when Ravi tranists sani some set > > back to > > > father and patrnal circles will be there and over Moon to mother and > > > maternal circles health, finance u can see me sayign it in posts > > where > > > this sade-sat has come even last week uc an find some. > > > > > > and so too Ssani on all other karakas, but we CAN'T GIVE EACH 7.5 > > YRS > > > JUST A TRANSIT OR MALEFIC aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Yesterday attended one astrological lecture. The lecturer > > > who was also talking on Sadesathi mentioned that we normally take > > > sadesathi when it appears on Moon, but we should check the effects > > > also with reference to the Sun and Ascendant, both, and treat the > > > same way as treated to Moon Sadesathi.Moon,he said the effect would > > > be mentall toll, > > > with Sun normally an elder of the family goes (I experienced this > > 3.5 > > > years back when Sat entered gemini near Natal Sun, my fathers elder > > > brother expired and my father also suffered deodnal rupture in > > > intestines and admitted to Jaslok hospital in Bombay in serious > > > condition, but saved and stayed at hospital for 3 months).,also > > > will power loosens, affects decesion making,connected to atma,etc. > > > For the Ascendant I was told,it takes toll on the physical body > > > of the native, specially if Saturn is lord of, or connected to > > > 6,8,12th house of ones horoscope and also if MahaDasha Lord permits > > > this to happen. Start counting Sadesathi 45 Degrees on either side > > of > > > Ascendant,Sun or Moon and not when entered Rashi.,we were told. > > > These rules also come in Nadi, but all the same, some points to > > > ponder . > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Dear, Your observations are good and shows Your interest in logical argumentive discussions. Saturn when Yogkaraka due to its natural characteristics will delay. but definitely reward the native if he has been morally and ethically good, in the end. Prior to this Guru will reward if its also connected to houses which contribute, but it is not given the permission to punish., whereas Saturn has been given the power to punish and then reward if native is worth rewarding. Saturns Sadesathi can not always be bad for all natives. It depends on a individual horoscope plus the karmas related with his current living.But what Saturn can give , no one can take away thats for sure. Bhaskar. , "sriganeshh" <sriganeshh wrote: > > Dear Prashant, Bhaskar and Prafulla, > > this thread is really educative and interesting one... > > Bhaskar: > your posts are educative with many technicalities which is really > good for learners like me. I will definitely come back to you on > all your posts with my own doubts .... > > Prashant and Prafulla > I consider saturn's transit in 7th from moon as very dificult phase > as sometimes sade sati never troubles so much really. > > Coming to prafulla's question, when saturn happens to be yogakaraka > (i add lord of the lagna),it makes one to work hard but equally > rewards follows......in the end analysis, it proves to very much > good one. > > Prashant and Prafulla > what is the role of gochara vedas in sade sani and other planetary > transits.... > > regards > sriganeshh > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri kumar ji > > > > Will these results also be there, if saturn in yoga graha? > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > > > > > gbp_kumar@ > > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:51:32 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 -2 > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > I agree the points u have aid too. and one more in the mixed > area Lagna > > > and Chandra > > > when Sani is in 10th of either of them or 10th lord one looses > a job, > > > resigns/sacked or busines venture may close down if multi product > > > company one or tow of them may be shelved. funds crunch will > force it > > > even big names get a jolt. > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > > > > > In addition to your analogy, My understanding of sade sati is: > > > > > > Vedic astrology is lunar based astrology (dasha phal is from > moon's > > > constellation, we take moon's nodes rahu / ketu as karmic planets > > > etc...). 12th and 2nd house is bandhana for native, and in a > way transit > > > from 12th to 2nd bhava from moon is bandhana to entire dasha > phal. > > > During sade sati dasha cease to work, and native gets the results > > > strictly per his efforts (karma)..in other words, bhagya phal > comes to > > > halt. > > > > > > Now why Moon's position in D9 instead of rashi chart? Perhaps > bhagya is > > > indicated by D9 and if bhagya has to cease ist existence, that > is why > > > D9. > > > > > > Yes, in transit when shani touches natal planets - their > respective > > > results are observed to suffer. BTW, saturn's transit in lagna is > > > considered good. Nadi (Deva keralam) prescribes this rule in D9. > I > > > presume, same can be extended to other vargas (not sure of rashi > chart). > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > > > > > > gbp_kumar@ > > > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 > > > > > > > > Bhaskar, > > > > Sade-sat is a limb of Gochara and all gochara r normally > based on > > > > chandra WHY? what do all the Puranasa, ithasas, upanishads > say.... > > > Mind > > > > over matter. > > > > > > > > the invincible men or rakshas did succumb to small issues > of the > > > mind > > > > Be it Bali chakravarthi a good king but did have the ego > that he was > > > the > > > > giver and unlimite and forgot he was given by the ultimate > giver his > > > > moksha comes thru it > > > > so did ravana in penultmate day when Rama asked him as a > charriot, > > > > charioteer, weaponless man to come back tommorrow with it, > this hurt > > > his > > > > ego a mere mortal could say it to him if he igoored it and > came back > > > he > > > > could have still invincile with all his boons his mind lost > the > > > internal > > > > strenght he had. > > > > > > > > so SADE-SAT over chandra is crucial for real study > > > > and over sun it is always true when Ravi tranists sani > some set > > > back to > > > > father and patrnal circles will be there and over Moon to > mother and > > > > maternal circles health, finance u can see me sayign it in > posts > > > where > > > > this sade-sat has come even last week uc an find some. > > > > > > > > and so too Ssani on all other karakas, but we CAN'T GIVE > EACH 7.5 > > > YRS > > > > JUST A TRANSIT OR MALEFIC aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > Members, > > > > > > > > Yesterday attended one astrological lecture. The lecturer > > > > who was also talking on Sadesathi mentioned that we > normally take > > > > sadesathi when it appears on Moon, but we should check the > effects > > > > also with reference to the Sun and Ascendant, both, and > treat the > > > > same way as treated to Moon Sadesathi.Moon,he said the > effect would > > > > be mentall toll, > > > > with Sun normally an elder of the family goes (I > experienced this > > > 3.5 > > > > years back when Sat entered gemini near Natal Sun, my > fathers elder > > > > brother expired and my father also suffered deodnal > rupture in > > > > intestines and admitted to Jaslok hospital in Bombay in > serious > > > > condition, but saved and stayed at hospital for 3 > months).,also > > > > will power loosens, affects decesion making,connected to > atma,etc. > > > > For the Ascendant I was told,it takes toll on the physical > body > > > > of the native, specially if Saturn is lord of, or > connected to > > > > 6,8,12th house of ones horoscope and also if MahaDasha > Lord permits > > > > this to happen. Start counting Sadesathi 45 Degrees on > either side > > > of > > > > Ascendant,Sun or Moon and not when entered Rashi.,we were > told. > > > > These rules also come in Nadi, but all the same, some > points to > > > > ponder . > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail > Beta. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Hi Prafulla yes that is what i missed stressing if in multi products some will go. Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Shri kumar ji Will these results also be there, if saturn in yoga graha? regards / Prafulla Gang After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > gbp_kumar > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:51:32 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 -2 > > Dear Prafulla, > > I agree the points u have aid too. and one more in the mixed area Lagna > and Chandra > when Sani is in 10th of either of them or 10th lord one looses a job, > resigns/sacked or busines venture may close down if multi product > company one or tow of them may be shelved. funds crunch will force it > even big names get a jolt. > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > In addition to your analogy, My understanding of sade sati is: > > Vedic astrology is lunar based astrology (dasha phal is from moon's > constellation, we take moon's nodes rahu / ketu as karmic planets > etc...). 12th and 2nd house is bandhana for native, and in a way transit > from 12th to 2nd bhava from moon is bandhana to entire dasha phal. > During sade sati dasha cease to work, and native gets the results > strictly per his efforts (karma)..in other words, bhagya phal comes to > halt. > > Now why Moon's position in D9 instead of rashi chart? Perhaps bhagya is > indicated by D9 and if bhagya has to cease ist existence, that is why > D9. > > Yes, in transit when shani touches natal planets - their respective > results are observed to suffer. BTW, saturn's transit in lagna is > considered good. Nadi (Deva keralam) prescribes this rule in D9. I > presume, same can be extended to other vargas (not sure of rashi chart). > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > gbp_kumar > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 > > > > Bhaskar, > > Sade-sat is a limb of Gochara and all gochara r normally based on > > chandra WHY? what do all the Puranasa, ithasas, upanishads say.... > Mind > > over matter. > > > > the invincible men or rakshas did succumb to small issues of the > mind > > Be it Bali chakravarthi a good king but did have the ego that he was > the > > giver and unlimite and forgot he was given by the ultimate giver his > > moksha comes thru it > > so did ravana in penultmate day when Rama asked him as a charriot, > > charioteer, weaponless man to come back tommorrow with it, this hurt > his > > ego a mere mortal could say it to him if he igoored it and came back > he > > could have still invincile with all his boons his mind lost the > internal > > strenght he had. > > > > so SADE-SAT over chandra is crucial for real study > > and over sun it is always true when Ravi tranists sani some set > back to > > father and patrnal circles will be there and over Moon to mother and > > maternal circles health, finance u can see me sayign it in posts > where > > this sade-sat has come even last week uc an find some. > > > > and so too Ssani on all other karakas, but we CAN'T GIVE EACH 7.5 > YRS > > JUST A TRANSIT OR MALEFIC aspect. > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Yesterday attended one astrological lecture. The lecturer > > who was also talking on Sadesathi mentioned that we normally take > > sadesathi when it appears on Moon, but we should check the effects > > also with reference to the Sun and Ascendant, both, and treat the > > same way as treated to Moon Sadesathi.Moon,he said the effect would > > be mentall toll, > > with Sun normally an elder of the family goes (I experienced this > 3.5 > > years back when Sat entered gemini near Natal Sun, my fathers elder > > brother expired and my father also suffered deodnal rupture in > > intestines and admitted to Jaslok hospital in Bombay in serious > > condition, but saved and stayed at hospital for 3 months).,also > > will power loosens, affects decesion making,connected to atma,etc. > > For the Ascendant I was told,it takes toll on the physical body > > of the native, specially if Saturn is lord of, or connected to > > 6,8,12th house of ones horoscope and also if MahaDasha Lord permits > > this to happen. Start counting Sadesathi 45 Degrees on either side > of > > Ascendant,Sun or Moon and not when entered Rashi.,we were told. > > These rules also come in Nadi, but all the same, some points to > > ponder . > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Dear bhaskar, thanks for your comment... you aptly summed up what i wanted to convey,. I am the firm believer that none of the planets (whether it is saturn, rahu or ketu or mars) are harmful rather they are assigned certain roles which they play. Roles may differ and that difference one has to find out from his personal horo..accept and realise what it envisages for you and you either avoid or do more according to the planets... for example, whenever venus dasa (maha/antara) runs , i have seen ending up doing more and more prayers..the list is big..two or three sahasranamas, pujas, mantra japas, short stotras etc., besides my daily routine sandhya vandana with gayatri japa, lalitha sahasranama puja, rudram, chamakam and sundara kandam ..it takes almost 2 hrs in a day...i tried to avoid many a times,,but no use..somehow i end up doing..it is happening again, i was wondering why venus is making me do all this so much... partially the answer cld be being the yogakaraka and lord of bhadaka stana, makes me to do to remove all obstacles before giving his yoga results....i may be wrong too..as i need to do more searching in this...but just example.. rather generalising that sade sani is bad will only make things more difficult with mind wandering on bad effects and how to counter that ...instead of focussing what is day to day life essence.. What i found from my experience is if one learns to ignore the problems and concentrate on his life other priorities, definitely some wisdom speaks in the heart and mind about how to go abt with the things...then all your problem get solved automatically once the right time comes... essentially the two word which sums up this is ...patience and perseverance ..saturnic qualities...if one have this, definitely he will be successful in the end.. regards sriganeshh , "bhaskar_jyotish" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear, > Your observations are good and shows Your interest in logical > argumentive discussions. > Saturn when Yogkaraka due to its natural characteristics will > delay. but definitely reward the native if he has been morally and > ethically good, in the end. Prior to this Guru will reward if its > also connected to houses which contribute, but it is not given the > permission to punish., whereas Saturn has been given the power to > punish and then reward if native is worth rewarding. Saturns > Sadesathi can not always be bad for all natives. It depends on a > individual horoscope plus the karmas related with his current > living.But what Saturn can give , no one can take away thats for sure. > > Bhaskar. > > > , "sriganeshh" > <sriganeshh@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prashant, Bhaskar and Prafulla, > > > > this thread is really educative and interesting one... > > > > Bhaskar: > > your posts are educative with many technicalities which is really > > good for learners like me. I will definitely come back to you on > > all your posts with my own doubts .... > > > > Prashant and Prafulla > > I consider saturn's transit in 7th from moon as very dificult phase > > as sometimes sade sati never troubles so much really. > > > > Coming to prafulla's question, when saturn happens to be yogakaraka > > (i add lord of the lagna),it makes one to work hard but equally > > rewards follows......in the end analysis, it proves to very much > > good one. > > > > Prashant and Prafulla > > what is the role of gochara vedas in sade sani and other planetary > > transits.... > > > > regards > > sriganeshh > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri kumar ji > > > > > > Will these results also be there, if saturn in yoga graha? > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gbp_kumar@ > > > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:51:32 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 -2 > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > I agree the points u have aid too. and one more in the mixed > > area Lagna > > > > and Chandra > > > > when Sani is in 10th of either of them or 10th lord one > looses > > a job, > > > > resigns/sacked or busines venture may close down if multi > product > > > > company one or tow of them may be shelved. funds crunch will > > force it > > > > even big names get a jolt. > > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > > > > > > > In addition to your analogy, My understanding of sade sati is: > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology is lunar based astrology (dasha phal is from > > moon's > > > > constellation, we take moon's nodes rahu / ketu as karmic > planets > > > > etc...). 12th and 2nd house is bandhana for native, and in a > > way transit > > > > from 12th to 2nd bhava from moon is bandhana to entire dasha > > phal. > > > > During sade sati dasha cease to work, and native gets the > results > > > > strictly per his efforts (karma)..in other words, bhagya phal > > comes to > > > > halt. > > > > > > > > Now why Moon's position in D9 instead of rashi chart? Perhaps > > bhagya is > > > > indicated by D9 and if bhagya has to cease ist existence, that > > is why > > > > D9. > > > > > > > > Yes, in transit when shani touches natal planets - their > > respective > > > > results are observed to suffer. BTW, saturn's transit in lagna > is > > > > considered good. Nadi (Deva keralam) prescribes this rule in > D9. > > I > > > > presume, same can be extended to other vargas (not sure of > rashi > > chart). > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gbp_kumar@ > > > > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar, > > > > > Sade-sat is a limb of Gochara and all gochara r normally > > based on > > > > > chandra WHY? what do all the Puranasa, ithasas, upanishads > > say.... > > > > Mind > > > > > over matter. > > > > > > > > > > the invincible men or rakshas did succumb to small issues > > of the > > > > mind > > > > > Be it Bali chakravarthi a good king but did have the ego > > that he was > > > > the > > > > > giver and unlimite and forgot he was given by the ultimate > > giver his > > > > > moksha comes thru it > > > > > so did ravana in penultmate day when Rama asked him as a > > charriot, > > > > > charioteer, weaponless man to come back tommorrow with it, > > this hurt > > > > his > > > > > ego a mere mortal could say it to him if he igoored it and > > came back > > > > he > > > > > could have still invincile with all his boons his mind lost > > the > > > > internal > > > > > strenght he had. > > > > > > > > > > so SADE-SAT over chandra is crucial for real study > > > > > and over sun it is always true when Ravi tranists sani > > some set > > > > back to > > > > > father and patrnal circles will be there and over Moon to > > mother and > > > > > maternal circles health, finance u can see me sayign it in > > posts > > > > where > > > > > this sade-sat has come even last week uc an find some. > > > > > > > > > > and so too Ssani on all other karakas, but we CAN'T GIVE > > EACH 7.5 > > > > YRS > > > > > JUST A TRANSIT OR MALEFIC aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday attended one astrological lecture. The lecturer > > > > > who was also talking on Sadesathi mentioned that we > > normally take > > > > > sadesathi when it appears on Moon, but we should check > the > > effects > > > > > also with reference to the Sun and Ascendant, both, and > > treat the > > > > > same way as treated to Moon Sadesathi.Moon,he said the > > effect would > > > > > be mentall toll, > > > > > with Sun normally an elder of the family goes (I > > experienced this > > > > 3.5 > > > > > years back when Sat entered gemini near Natal Sun, my > > fathers elder > > > > > brother expired and my father also suffered deodnal > > rupture in > > > > > intestines and admitted to Jaslok hospital in Bombay in > > serious > > > > > condition, but saved and stayed at hospital for 3 > > months).,also > > > > > will power loosens, affects decesion making,connected to > > atma,etc. > > > > > For the Ascendant I was told,it takes toll on the > physical > > body > > > > > of the native, specially if Saturn is lord of, or > > connected to > > > > > 6,8,12th house of ones horoscope and also if MahaDasha > > Lord permits > > > > > this to happen. Start counting Sadesathi 45 Degrees on > > either side > > > > of > > > > > Ascendant,Sun or Moon and not when entered Rashi.,we were > > told. > > > > > These rules also come in Nadi, but all the same, some > > points to > > > > > ponder . > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail > > Beta. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Dear Sriganeshh ji Excellent explanation to saturn (addendum to what Bhaskar ji menitoned). Yes, planets needs to lived in our approach to life. Very often, we need to surrender to their characteristics. If the remedial measures fail to invoke this lesson, I doubt they will work at all. For kumbha lagna shani, it makes a person highly organized and focussed in his pursuits. If he chose to ignore this, tough lessons makes him understand this. if one learns (and includes) his opposition in his routine, then there is no problem. regards / Prafulla Gang After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > sriganeshh > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:41:30 -0000 > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 -2 > > Dear bhaskar, > > thanks for your comment... > > you aptly summed up what i wanted to convey,. I am the firm believer > that none of the planets (whether it is saturn, rahu or ketu or > mars) are harmful rather they are assigned certain roles which they > play. Roles may differ and that difference one has to find out from > his personal horo..accept and realise what it envisages for you and > you either avoid or do more according to the planets... > > for example, whenever venus dasa (maha/antara) runs , i have seen > ending up doing more and more prayers..the list is big..two or three > sahasranamas, pujas, mantra japas, short stotras etc., besides my > daily routine sandhya vandana with gayatri japa, lalitha sahasranama > puja, rudram, chamakam and sundara kandam ..it takes almost 2 hrs in > a day...i tried to avoid many a times,,but no use..somehow i end up > doing..it is happening again, i was wondering why venus is making me > do all this so much... partially the answer cld be being the > yogakaraka and lord of bhadaka stana, makes me to do to remove all > obstacles before giving his yoga results....i may be wrong too..as i > need to do more searching in this...but just example.. > > rather generalising that sade sani is bad will only make things more > difficult with mind wandering on bad effects and how to counter > that ...instead of focussing what is day to day life essence.. > > What i found from my experience is if one learns to ignore the > problems and concentrate on his life other priorities, definitely > some wisdom speaks in the heart and mind about how to go abt with > the things...then all your problem get solved automatically once the > right time comes... > > essentially the two word which sums up this is ...patience and > perseverance ..saturnic qualities...if one have this, definitely he > will be successful in the end.. > > regards > sriganeshh > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: >> >> Dear, >> Your observations are good and shows Your interest in logical >> argumentive discussions. >> Saturn when Yogkaraka due to its natural characteristics will >> delay. but definitely reward the native if he has been morally and >> ethically good, in the end. Prior to this Guru will reward if its >> also connected to houses which contribute, but it is not given the >> permission to punish., whereas Saturn has been given the power to >> punish and then reward if native is worth rewarding. Saturns >> Sadesathi can not always be bad for all natives. It depends on a >> individual horoscope plus the karmas related with his current >> living.But what Saturn can give , no one can take away thats for > sure. >> >> Bhaskar. >> >> >> , "sriganeshh" >> <sriganeshh@> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Prashant, Bhaskar and Prafulla, >>> >>> this thread is really educative and interesting one... >>> >>> Bhaskar: >>> your posts are educative with many technicalities which is > really >>> good for learners like me. I will definitely come back to you > on >>> all your posts with my own doubts .... >>> >>> Prashant and Prafulla >>> I consider saturn's transit in 7th from moon as very dificult > phase >>> as sometimes sade sati never troubles so much really. >>> >>> Coming to prafulla's question, when saturn happens to be > yogakaraka >>> (i add lord of the lagna),it makes one to work hard but equally >>> rewards follows......in the end analysis, it proves to very much >>> good one. >>> >>> Prashant and Prafulla >>> what is the role of gochara vedas in sade sani and other > planetary >>> transits.... >>> >>> regards >>> sriganeshh >>> >>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Shri kumar ji >>>> >>>> Will these results also be there, if saturn in yoga graha? >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> After every "victory" you have more enemies. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> gbp_kumar@ >>>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:51:32 -0700 (PDT) >>>>> >>>>> Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 -2 >>>>> >>>>> Dear Prafulla, >>>>> >>>>> I agree the points u have aid too. and one more in the > mixed >>> area Lagna >>>>> and Chandra >>>>> when Sani is in 10th of either of them or 10th lord one >> looses >>> a job, >>>>> resigns/sacked or busines venture may close down if multi >> product >>>>> company one or tow of them may be shelved. funds crunch will >>> force it >>>>> even big names get a jolt. >>>>> >>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji >>>>> >>>>> In addition to your analogy, My understanding of sade sati > is: >>>>> >>>>> Vedic astrology is lunar based astrology (dasha phal is > from >>> moon's >>>>> constellation, we take moon's nodes rahu / ketu as karmic >> planets >>>>> etc...). 12th and 2nd house is bandhana for native, and in a >>> way transit >>>>> from 12th to 2nd bhava from moon is bandhana to entire > dasha >>> phal. >>>>> During sade sati dasha cease to work, and native gets the >> results >>>>> strictly per his efforts (karma)..in other words, bhagya > phal >>> comes to >>>>> halt. >>>>> >>>>> Now why Moon's position in D9 instead of rashi chart? > Perhaps >>> bhagya is >>>>> indicated by D9 and if bhagya has to cease ist existence, > that >>> is why >>>>> D9. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, in transit when shani touches natal planets - their >>> respective >>>>> results are observed to suffer. BTW, saturn's transit in > lagna >> is >>>>> considered good. Nadi (Deva keralam) prescribes this rule in >> D9. >>> I >>>>> presume, same can be extended to other vargas (not sure of >> rashi >>> chart). >>>>> >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>> >>>>> After every "victory" you have more enemies. >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > gbp_kumar@ >>>>> > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) >>>>> > >>>>> > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 >>>>> > >>>>> > Bhaskar, >>>>> > Sade-sat is a limb of Gochara and all gochara r > normally >>> based on >>>>> > chandra WHY? what do all the Puranasa, ithasas, > upanishads >>> say.... >>>>> Mind >>>>> > over matter. >>>>> > >>>>> > the invincible men or rakshas did succumb to small > issues >>> of the >>>>> mind >>>>> > Be it Bali chakravarthi a good king but did have the ego >>> that he was >>>>> the >>>>> > giver and unlimite and forgot he was given by the > ultimate >>> giver his >>>>> > moksha comes thru it >>>>> > so did ravana in penultmate day when Rama asked him as > a >>> charriot, >>>>> > charioteer, weaponless man to come back tommorrow with > it, >>> this hurt >>>>> his >>>>> > ego a mere mortal could say it to him if he igoored it > and >>> came back >>>>> he >>>>> > could have still invincile with all his boons his mind > lost >>> the >>>>> internal >>>>> > strenght he had. >>>>> > >>>>> > so SADE-SAT over chandra is crucial for real study >>>>> > and over sun it is always true when Ravi tranists sani >>> some set >>>>> back to >>>>> > father and patrnal circles will be there and over Moon > to >>> mother and >>>>> > maternal circles health, finance u can see me sayign it > in >>> posts >>>>> where >>>>> > this sade-sat has come even last week uc an find some. >>>>> > >>>>> > and so too Ssani on all other karakas, but we CAN'T > GIVE >>> EACH 7.5 >>>>> YRS >>>>> > JUST A TRANSIT OR MALEFIC aspect. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Dear >>> Members, >>>>> > >>>>> > Yesterday attended one astrological lecture. The > lecturer >>>>> > who was also talking on Sadesathi mentioned that we >>> normally take >>>>> > sadesathi when it appears on Moon, but we should check >> the >>> effects >>>>> > also with reference to the Sun and Ascendant, both, > and >>> treat the >>>>> > same way as treated to Moon Sadesathi.Moon,he said the >>> effect would >>>>> > be mentall toll, >>>>> > with Sun normally an elder of the family goes (I >>> experienced this >>>>> 3.5 >>>>> > years back when Sat entered gemini near Natal Sun, my >>> fathers elder >>>>> > brother expired and my father also suffered deodnal >>> rupture in >>>>> > intestines and admitted to Jaslok hospital in Bombay > in >>> serious >>>>> > condition, but saved and stayed at hospital for 3 >>> months).,also >>>>> > will power loosens, affects decesion making,connected > to >>> atma,etc. >>>>> > For the Ascendant I was told,it takes toll on the >> physical >>> body >>>>> > of the native, specially if Saturn is lord of, or >>> connected to >>>>> > 6,8,12th house of ones horoscope and also if MahaDasha >>> Lord permits >>>>> > this to happen. Start counting Sadesathi 45 Degrees on >>> either side >>>>> of >>>>> > Ascendant,Sun or Moon and not when entered Rashi.,we > were >>> told. >>>>> > These rules also come in Nadi, but all the same, some >>> points to >>>>> > ponder . >>>>> > >>>>> > Bhaskar. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new > Mail >>> Beta. >>>>> > >>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear Prafulla, I think we can do away with this "JI" ...looks somewhat funny to me... Thanks for your comments and you are absolutely right that we need to surrender to their characteristics...if you see many of the remedial measures it deals with improving your concentrating and focussing all your energies in one particular form of god...it is nothing but your creative visualisation of universal force in one form or another...but it is a different subject and let me not touch this.... Yes..kumbha lagna sani is very strict task master and disciplinarian to the core...i realised his strictness when he was transiting in 7th which is 5th to me...initially i was stumbled to find out why why why...but later realised that he is made me burn all my bad purva karmas and giving me realised life,it was terrific experience. once again thanks to all who contributed to this thread...i learned lot form all this.. sriganeshh , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Sriganeshh ji > > Excellent explanation to saturn (addendum to what Bhaskar ji menitoned). Yes, planets needs to lived in our approach to life. Very often, we need to surrender to their characteristics. If the remedial measures fail to invoke this lesson, I doubt they will work at all. > > For kumbha lagna shani, it makes a person highly organized and focussed in his pursuits. If he chose to ignore this, tough lessons makes him understand this. if one learns (and includes) his opposition in his routine, then there is no problem. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > sriganeshh > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:41:30 -0000 > > > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 -2 > > > > Dear bhaskar, > > > > thanks for your comment... > > > > you aptly summed up what i wanted to convey,. I am the firm believer > > that none of the planets (whether it is saturn, rahu or ketu or > > mars) are harmful rather they are assigned certain roles which they > > play. Roles may differ and that difference one has to find out from > > his personal horo..accept and realise what it envisages for you and > > you either avoid or do more according to the planets... > > > > for example, whenever venus dasa (maha/antara) runs , i have seen > > ending up doing more and more prayers..the list is big..two or three > > sahasranamas, pujas, mantra japas, short stotras etc., besides my > > daily routine sandhya vandana with gayatri japa, lalitha sahasranama > > puja, rudram, chamakam and sundara kandam ..it takes almost 2 hrs in > > a day...i tried to avoid many a times,,but no use..somehow i end up > > doing..it is happening again, i was wondering why venus is making me > > do all this so much... partially the answer cld be being the > > yogakaraka and lord of bhadaka stana, makes me to do to remove all > > obstacles before giving his yoga results....i may be wrong too..as i > > need to do more searching in this...but just example.. > > > > rather generalising that sade sani is bad will only make things more > > difficult with mind wandering on bad effects and how to counter > > that ...instead of focussing what is day to day life essence.. > > > > What i found from my experience is if one learns to ignore the > > problems and concentrate on his life other priorities, definitely > > some wisdom speaks in the heart and mind about how to go abt with > > the things...then all your problem get solved automatically once the > > right time comes... > > > > essentially the two word which sums up this is ...patience and > > perseverance ..saturnic qualities...if one have this, definitely he > > will be successful in the end.. > > > > regards > > sriganeshh > > > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear, > >> Your observations are good and shows Your interest in logical > >> argumentive discussions. > >> Saturn when Yogkaraka due to its natural characteristics will > >> delay. but definitely reward the native if he has been morally and > >> ethically good, in the end. Prior to this Guru will reward if its > >> also connected to houses which contribute, but it is not given the > >> permission to punish., whereas Saturn has been given the power to > >> punish and then reward if native is worth rewarding. Saturns > >> Sadesathi can not always be bad for all natives. It depends on a > >> individual horoscope plus the karmas related with his current > >> living.But what Saturn can give , no one can take away thats for > > sure. > >> > >> Bhaskar. > >> > >> > >> , "sriganeshh" > >> <sriganeshh@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Prashant, Bhaskar and Prafulla, > >>> > >>> this thread is really educative and interesting one... > >>> > >>> Bhaskar: > >>> your posts are educative with many technicalities which is > > really > >>> good for learners like me. I will definitely come back to you > > on > >>> all your posts with my own doubts .... > >>> > >>> Prashant and Prafulla > >>> I consider saturn's transit in 7th from moon as very dificult > > phase > >>> as sometimes sade sati never troubles so much really. > >>> > >>> Coming to prafulla's question, when saturn happens to be > > yogakaraka > >>> (i add lord of the lagna),it makes one to work hard but equally > >>> rewards follows......in the end analysis, it proves to very much > >>> good one. > >>> > >>> Prashant and Prafulla > >>> what is the role of gochara vedas in sade sani and other > > planetary > >>> transits.... > >>> > >>> regards > >>> sriganeshh > >>> > >>> , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Shri kumar ji > >>>> > >>>> Will these results also be there, if saturn in yoga graha? > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> After every "victory" you have more enemies. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> gbp_kumar@ > >>>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:51:32 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>> > >>>>> Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 -2 > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Prafulla, > >>>>> > >>>>> I agree the points u have aid too. and one more in the > > mixed > >>> area Lagna > >>>>> and Chandra > >>>>> when Sani is in 10th of either of them or 10th lord one > >> looses > >>> a job, > >>>>> resigns/sacked or busines venture may close down if multi > >> product > >>>>> company one or tow of them may be shelved. funds crunch will > >>> force it > >>>>> even big names get a jolt. > >>>>> > >>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>> Dear Shri Kumar ji > >>>>> > >>>>> In addition to your analogy, My understanding of sade sati > > is: > >>>>> > >>>>> Vedic astrology is lunar based astrology (dasha phal is > > from > >>> moon's > >>>>> constellation, we take moon's nodes rahu / ketu as karmic > >> planets > >>>>> etc...). 12th and 2nd house is bandhana for native, and in a > >>> way transit > >>>>> from 12th to 2nd bhava from moon is bandhana to entire > > dasha > >>> phal. > >>>>> During sade sati dasha cease to work, and native gets the > >> results > >>>>> strictly per his efforts (karma)..in other words, bhagya > > phal > >>> comes to > >>>>> halt. > >>>>> > >>>>> Now why Moon's position in D9 instead of rashi chart? > > Perhaps > >>> bhagya is > >>>>> indicated by D9 and if bhagya has to cease ist existence, > > that > >>> is why > >>>>> D9. > >>>>> > >>>>> Yes, in transit when shani touches natal planets - their > >>> respective > >>>>> results are observed to suffer. BTW, saturn's transit in > > lagna > >> is > >>>>> considered good. Nadi (Deva keralam) prescribes this rule in > >> D9. > >>> I > >>>>> presume, same can be extended to other vargas (not sure of > >> rashi > >>> chart). > >>>>> > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>> > >>>>> After every "victory" you have more enemies. > >>>>> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > gbp_kumar@ > >>>>> > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Bhaskar, > >>>>> > Sade-sat is a limb of Gochara and all gochara r > > normally > >>> based on > >>>>> > chandra WHY? what do all the Puranasa, ithasas, > > upanishads > >>> say.... > >>>>> Mind > >>>>> > over matter. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > the invincible men or rakshas did succumb to small > > issues > >>> of the > >>>>> mind > >>>>> > Be it Bali chakravarthi a good king but did have the ego > >>> that he was > >>>>> the > >>>>> > giver and unlimite and forgot he was given by the > > ultimate > >>> giver his > >>>>> > moksha comes thru it > >>>>> > so did ravana in penultmate day when Rama asked him as > > a > >>> charriot, > >>>>> > charioteer, weaponless man to come back tommorrow with > > it, > >>> this hurt > >>>>> his > >>>>> > ego a mere mortal could say it to him if he igoored it > > and > >>> came back > >>>>> he > >>>>> > could have still invincile with all his boons his mind > > lost > >>> the > >>>>> internal > >>>>> > strenght he had. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > so SADE-SAT over chandra is crucial for real study > >>>>> > and over sun it is always true when Ravi tranists sani > >>> some set > >>>>> back to > >>>>> > father and patrnal circles will be there and over Moon > > to > >>> mother and > >>>>> > maternal circles health, finance u can see me sayign it > > in > >>> posts > >>>>> where > >>>>> > this sade-sat has come even last week uc an find some. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > and so too Ssani on all other karakas, but we CAN'T > > GIVE > >>> EACH 7.5 > >>>>> YRS > >>>>> > JUST A TRANSIT OR MALEFIC aspect. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Dear > >>> Members, > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Yesterday attended one astrological lecture. The > > lecturer > >>>>> > who was also talking on Sadesathi mentioned that we > >>> normally take > >>>>> > sadesathi when it appears on Moon, but we should check > >> the > >>> effects > >>>>> > also with reference to the Sun and Ascendant, both, > > and > >>> treat the > >>>>> > same way as treated to Moon Sadesathi.Moon,he said the > >>> effect would > >>>>> > be mentall toll, > >>>>> > with Sun normally an elder of the family goes (I > >>> experienced this > >>>>> 3.5 > >>>>> > years back when Sat entered gemini near Natal Sun, my > >>> fathers elder > >>>>> > brother expired and my father also suffered deodnal > >>> rupture in > >>>>> > intestines and admitted to Jaslok hospital in Bombay > > in > >>> serious > >>>>> > condition, but saved and stayed at hospital for 3 > >>> months).,also > >>>>> > will power loosens, affects decesion making,connected > > to > >>> atma,etc. > >>>>> > For the Ascendant I was told,it takes toll on the > >> physical > >>> body > >>>>> > of the native, specially if Saturn is lord of, or > >>> connected to > >>>>> > 6,8,12th house of ones horoscope and also if MahaDasha > >>> Lord permits > >>>>> > this to happen. Start counting Sadesathi 45 Degrees on > >>> either side > >>>>> of > >>>>> > Ascendant,Sun or Moon and not when entered Rashi.,we > > were > >>> told. > >>>>> > These rules also come in Nadi, but all the same, some > >>> points to > >>>>> > ponder . > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Bhaskar. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new > > Mail > >>> Beta. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear SriGanesh, Being brought up in a very strict atmoshphere, its very diffcult for me not to prefix Shri or affix ji while addressing anyone.Its become a natural habit now. But okay. Times change and now the want of the day is,its more easy for transferring views to each other and expression of thoughts be in family, friends ,close relations or dealing with corporate. This relieves the communication gap because You tend to come on a common platform. Of course plus minus both exist. Coming to Your mail- Very well said. At times friends from the same line of activity, have spoken as harmful of certain planets and I have had tough arguments with them when attending lectures on this subject. The same planets as we know is good and harmul both, depending on the individual horo. Also this is a relative term. Natural harmful ones also have their own advantages. In some translation of the Bhagavad Gita ( I think Gita press,Shri Hanuman Prasadjji Poddar) it is mentioned that these 9 Planets are the manifestations of the Supreme,and have been alloted various attributes and duties to deliver as per laws of Prakriti and individual actions of persons. (The latter part of the sentence was not mentioned, but understood) So they cannot be called Bad,or harmful or Krura in the real sense of the term. Venus Dasha making You do poojas, Sahasranaams.etc. Venus is normally understood to planet creating or giving pleasures to the native when Dasha arrives in mans life. But not always. A good description of other angle of Venus is given by noted astrolger Bipin Behari in his book,Esoteric principles of vedic astrology, though this book was difficult for me to understand and had to force myself to read as lot of descriptive.,less illustrative. I personally feel Venus Dasha coming in natives life after middle age would be more pronounced in taking out other angle of Venus, ie. making native attracyed towards temples,Devi pooja etc.(This is again a genarilsed statement and not always true).If it comes when young, then the other normally attributed views would incur. To complement former view I bring reference to Saravli of Shri Kalyan Varma, and translation by Shri Santhanam . Effects of Venus in Pisces for Scorpio ascendant. "During the first stage of life the native will be highly attached to worldly pleasures, be wealthy and popular, in the later half, particularly covered by Venus Dasa he will engage himself in abstract meditation and will take to the path of the Supreme Self." We also know from personal experience that too much pleasure ultimately brings forth tendencies of vairagya in the end after realisation by self of the futility ,and knowledge that actual peace can only come by trying to merge with our creator., ie. moving on that path. as in the case of King Yayati........ But as You said so beautifully patience and perseverance by one, can only make this voyage of life bearable in the true spirit. Bhaskar. , "sriganeshh" <sriganeshh wrote: > > Dear bhaskar, > > thanks for your comment... > > you aptly summed up what i wanted to convey,. I am the firm believer > that none of the planets (whether it is saturn, rahu or ketu or > mars) are harmful rather they are assigned certain roles which they > play. Roles may differ and that difference one has to find out from > his personal horo..accept and realise what it envisages for you and > you either avoid or do more according to the planets... > > for example, whenever venus dasa (maha/antara) runs , i have seen > ending up doing more and more prayers..the list is big..two or three > sahasranamas, pujas, mantra japas, short stotras etc., besides my > daily routine sandhya vandana with gayatri japa, lalitha sahasranama > puja, rudram, chamakam and sundara kandam ..it takes almost 2 hrs in > a day...i tried to avoid many a times,,but no use..somehow i end up > doing..it is happening again, i was wondering why venus is making me > do all this so much... partially the answer cld be being the > yogakaraka and lord of bhadaka stana, makes me to do to remove all > obstacles before giving his yoga results....i may be wrong too..as i > need to do more searching in this...but just example.. > > rather generalising that sade sani is bad will only make things more > difficult with mind wandering on bad effects and how to counter > that ...instead of focussing what is day to day life essence.. > > What i found from my experience is if one learns to ignore the > problems and concentrate on his life other priorities, definitely > some wisdom speaks in the heart and mind about how to go abt with > the things...then all your problem get solved automatically once the > right time comes... > > essentially the two word which sums up this is ...patience and > perseverance ..saturnic qualities...if one have this, definitely he > will be successful in the end.. > > regards > sriganeshh > > , "bhaskar_jyotish" > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear, > > Your observations are good and shows Your interest in logical > > argumentive discussions. > > Saturn when Yogkaraka due to its natural characteristics will > > delay. but definitely reward the native if he has been morally and > > ethically good, in the end. Prior to this Guru will reward if its > > also connected to houses which contribute, but it is not given the > > permission to punish., whereas Saturn has been given the power to > > punish and then reward if native is worth rewarding. Saturns > > Sadesathi can not always be bad for all natives. It depends on a > > individual horoscope plus the karmas related with his current > > living.But what Saturn can give , no one can take away thats for > sure. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , "sriganeshh" > > <sriganeshh@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prashant, Bhaskar and Prafulla, > > > > > > this thread is really educative and interesting one... > > > > > > Bhaskar: > > > your posts are educative with many technicalities which is > really > > > good for learners like me. I will definitely come back to you > on > > > all your posts with my own doubts .... > > > > > > Prashant and Prafulla > > > I consider saturn's transit in 7th from moon as very dificult > phase > > > as sometimes sade sati never troubles so much really. > > > > > > Coming to prafulla's question, when saturn happens to be > yogakaraka > > > (i add lord of the lagna),it makes one to work hard but equally > > > rewards follows......in the end analysis, it proves to very much > > > good one. > > > > > > Prashant and Prafulla > > > what is the role of gochara vedas in sade sani and other > planetary > > > transits.... > > > > > > regards > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri kumar ji > > > > > > > > Will these results also be there, if saturn in yoga graha? > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gbp_kumar@ > > > > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:51:32 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 -2 > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > I agree the points u have aid too. and one more in the > mixed > > > area Lagna > > > > > and Chandra > > > > > when Sani is in 10th of either of them or 10th lord one > > looses > > > a job, > > > > > resigns/sacked or busines venture may close down if multi > > product > > > > > company one or tow of them may be shelved. funds crunch will > > > force it > > > > > even big names get a jolt. > > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > > > > > > > > > In addition to your analogy, My understanding of sade sati > is: > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology is lunar based astrology (dasha phal is > from > > > moon's > > > > > constellation, we take moon's nodes rahu / ketu as karmic > > planets > > > > > etc...). 12th and 2nd house is bandhana for native, and in a > > > way transit > > > > > from 12th to 2nd bhava from moon is bandhana to entire > dasha > > > phal. > > > > > During sade sati dasha cease to work, and native gets the > > results > > > > > strictly per his efforts (karma)..in other words, bhagya > phal > > > comes to > > > > > halt. > > > > > > > > > > Now why Moon's position in D9 instead of rashi chart? > Perhaps > > > bhagya is > > > > > indicated by D9 and if bhagya has to cease ist existence, > that > > > is why > > > > > D9. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, in transit when shani touches natal planets - their > > > respective > > > > > results are observed to suffer. BTW, saturn's transit in > lagna > > is > > > > > considered good. Nadi (Deva keralam) prescribes this rule in > > D9. > > > I > > > > > presume, same can be extended to other vargas (not sure of > > rashi > > > chart). > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > After every "victory" you have more enemies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gbp_kumar@ > > > > > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: 3 Sadesathis in Life ? 24/2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar, > > > > > > Sade-sat is a limb of Gochara and all gochara r > normally > > > based on > > > > > > chandra WHY? what do all the Puranasa, ithasas, > upanishads > > > say.... > > > > > Mind > > > > > > over matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > the invincible men or rakshas did succumb to small > issues > > > of the > > > > > mind > > > > > > Be it Bali chakravarthi a good king but did have the ego > > > that he was > > > > > the > > > > > > giver and unlimite and forgot he was given by the > ultimate > > > giver his > > > > > > moksha comes thru it > > > > > > so did ravana in penultmate day when Rama asked him as > a > > > charriot, > > > > > > charioteer, weaponless man to come back tommorrow with > it, > > > this hurt > > > > > his > > > > > > ego a mere mortal could say it to him if he igoored it > and > > > came back > > > > > he > > > > > > could have still invincile with all his boons his mind > lost > > > the > > > > > internal > > > > > > strenght he had. > > > > > > > > > > > > so SADE-SAT over chandra is crucial for real study > > > > > > and over sun it is always true when Ravi tranists sani > > > some set > > > > > back to > > > > > > father and patrnal circles will be there and over Moon > to > > > mother and > > > > > > maternal circles health, finance u can see me sayign it > in > > > posts > > > > > where > > > > > > this sade-sat has come even last week uc an find some. > > > > > > > > > > > > and so too Ssani on all other karakas, but we CAN'T > GIVE > > > EACH 7.5 > > > > > YRS > > > > > > JUST A TRANSIT OR MALEFIC aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday attended one astrological lecture. The > lecturer > > > > > > who was also talking on Sadesathi mentioned that we > > > normally take > > > > > > sadesathi when it appears on Moon, but we should check > > the > > > effects > > > > > > also with reference to the Sun and Ascendant, both, > and > > > treat the > > > > > > same way as treated to Moon Sadesathi.Moon,he said the > > > effect would > > > > > > be mentall toll, > > > > > > with Sun normally an elder of the family goes (I > > > experienced this > > > > > 3.5 > > > > > > years back when Sat entered gemini near Natal Sun, my > > > fathers elder > > > > > > brother expired and my father also suffered deodnal > > > rupture in > > > > > > intestines and admitted to Jaslok hospital in Bombay > in > > > serious > > > > > > condition, but saved and stayed at hospital for 3 > > > months).,also > > > > > > will power loosens, affects decesion making,connected > to > > > atma,etc. > > > > > > For the Ascendant I was told,it takes toll on the > > physical > > > body > > > > > > of the native, specially if Saturn is lord of, or > > > connected to > > > > > > 6,8,12th house of ones horoscope and also if MahaDasha > > > Lord permits > > > > > > this to happen. Start counting Sadesathi 45 Degrees on > > > either side > > > > > of > > > > > > Ascendant,Sun or Moon and not when entered Rashi.,we > were > > > told. > > > > > > These rules also come in Nadi, but all the same, some > > > points to > > > > > > ponder . > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new > Mail > > > Beta. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear Bhaskar Really thanks for bringing out the gita portion..i have not read gita so far though offlate i am interested in reading gita and also yoga sutras of patanjali...my father surprised me by presenting yoga sutras this time. Reg venus, maha dasa started at the age of 7 and ended at 27, hence no chance of enjoying life...but rather it has given me good education and exposure to religious scriptures and practices. It made me spent leisure time in temple,puja and hearing discourses by great saints and erudite people.. Venus is my 4th and 9th lord sitting in 12th..aspected by jupiter from 4th with his 9th angle...i am concerned with antar dashas. whenever it starts, it makes me do more and more... My own interpretation of my chart is...the pleasure or joyful period starts for me in rahu maha dasha only as it is the giver sitting with guru in 4th and its dispositor is venus...different astrologers saying different things..but i am sure it will be the best in my life..again my key is patience and perseverance...i am waiting for that period by doing hard work now... regards sriganeshh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Dear SriGanesh, Every act is joy, whether doing romance, or whether doing Pooja or whether tightening screw of a loose drawer handle whatever, as long You put your hear and soul in the act. Right now I am feeling joy in writing this to You. I expected in Your case of Venus being connected to 9 at least if not 4., but forgot to mention it. 4 and 9 are houses of study,in Nakshatra padhathy, hence the effects seen in your case. For Patanjali Yog Sutras I reccommend go to a Gita Press book shop, You will find a smaller easier to read version and also if lucky a Visheshank which is a very big version. (Of Course after reading what Father has presented to You and if You are more interested) For Bhagavad Gita I strongly reccommend buy Bhagvad Gita as it is by Paramhansa Yoganandji. Here the author has Yogically tuned his mind with Ved Vyasa, with Shri Krishna Bhagwan, and with Shri Arjun, and thus when You read the translations You will find the actual explanations along with translation what Sri Krishna really meant to say to (us through Arjun) Arjun, without meaning being filtered as happens at times with individual translations.This book also can be read by people of other religions if they may, for reason that all decription of spiritual body, after life, universe, different dimensions of existence, have been explained in a very lucid manner. I have read other translations of Gita Press, Swami Prabhupada etc. which are also good. But buy the one mentioned for real knowledge. Above reccommendations You have not asked for, I have given voluntarily. Patanjali Yog makes good reading but following or putting in practise is not possible at least for me. With life styles strictly not adhering to what they should be, wrong time sleeping, not getting up in Brahma muhurat,not required Pooja, mala, path, or meditation done,wrong diets,plus unfulfilled duties towards family, makes it absolutely unfit for me to follow them, though I would love to. Bhaskar. , "sriganeshh" <sriganeshh wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar > > Really thanks for bringing out the gita portion..i have not read > gita so far though offlate i am interested in reading gita and also > yoga sutras of patanjali...my father surprised me by presenting yoga > sutras this time. > > Reg venus, maha dasa started at the age of 7 and ended at 27, hence > no chance of enjoying life...but rather it has given me good > education and exposure to religious scriptures and practices. It > made me spent leisure time in temple,puja and hearing discourses by > great saints and erudite people.. > > Venus is my 4th and 9th lord sitting in 12th..aspected by jupiter > from 4th with his 9th angle...i am concerned with antar dashas. > whenever it starts, it makes me do more and more... > > My own interpretation of my chart is...the pleasure or joyful period > starts for me in rahu maha dasha only as it is the giver sitting > with guru in 4th and its dispositor is venus...different astrologers > saying different things..but i am sure it will be the best in my > life..again my key is patience and perseverance...i am waiting for > that period by doing hard work now... > > regards > sriganeshh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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