EXPRESSING THOUGHTS

July 24, 2006

Dear Friends,

Certain thoughts crossed my mind,when I read certain references in

posts, to the

following, few days back, and wanted to express them.

1)Shri RamKrishna Paramhansa having throat problems but not able to

cure it-

Actually He had total power in his hands to alleviate his

own sufferings and others too. This problem he had taken from

someone else

on own to provide the other person, relief. (Like Jesus Christ who

too had this power)

Some bad effects of karmas can be cleared by remedies, while

other bad effects of

more Dridha karmas, have to be borne or suffered.. In that case

if You happen to meet

a evolved yogic soul , he can transfer this suffering to your next

janam, or take this suffering

on own to relieve You, but cannot totally erase it.Suppose we

assume that this suffering was

Shri Ramkrishnas own, then also he would not have transferred it

later ,because he knew

that ultimately it has to be borne so why not now? And probably it

was his last physical stay

at earth . We also find instances of such Karmas and sufferrings

(ref-Autobiography of

a Yogi,where Shri Babaji brandished a hot iron band on a disciples

back.........)

2) Shri Rama killing a animal (Deer)-

Shri Rama being a incarnation knew what was going to happen and

when. This role

of human incarnation was played for us future generations to

teach us how to live

in all forms of relations (as Father,Brother,son ,King etc.) and

also certain Karmic

influences (Shri Bhriguji kicking chest of Lord V......, Jay

Vijay dvarpals .etc.)

Playing the role as Maryada Purshottam, there was no way he could

have killed a harmless

deer. He knew who the Deer was (mareech playing role of evil, and

serving Ravana,

also Mareech however evil he was, when Ravan told him to take the

form of Deer and

entice Sitaji, wife of Shri Rama, Mareech immediately came to

right senses and implored

Ravan not to make him do this work as he knew who Rama was and

knew that this could be a dangerous mission where there was no chance

of safety except being killed at arrow by Shri Ram.

But Ravana being adamant as he was said Do this or I will kill You.

Mareecha preferred to

get killed by Shri Rama.) When he took the form of Deer Shri Rama

knew he was not killing a Deer, he knew he was killing Mareecha, he

knew he had to deliver Mareecha as his time had come. And this whole

act

was played just to let us know what happens if You run after

attractions, illusions.golden deer....

can a golden deer be possible........? This is a allegory to teach us

humans, not to get tempted by

illusions,when Sitaji got attracted by the Golden deer what followed

is history. So Rama was

not killing a Deer, but evil. ie,personification of good over evil.

The above references were made by a kind friend whom I know to be

pure and innocent.,

So dear Friend please. dont take otherwise. Just exchange of

thoughts nothing else.I know You did not mean to be irreligious

or unnecessarily argumentive.

Among other references made by one follower of Dutta, (by the way he

is first Guru of all of us,in Hinduism)

3) Ravana touching Sitaji (holding her hands when kidnapping..)

Please note that Sitaji was no chui mui (ordinary) , that just anyone

evil could touch her. She is

not known as Jagadjanni just for nought. She had the power to

create/destroy anything she wanted.

Anyone who can grant ashtsiddhis to anyone is not ordinary.(Asht

sidhi nau nidhi ke daata, as var

deen Janaki Mata) .But the roles had to be played for which they had

taken human form over earth.

She was not the real Sita Ravan took, but shadow form of Sita.(Like

Chaaya with refence to second

wife of The Sun). Because before entering this part of the Van

(Forest) Shri Ramchandraji had spoken

and already temporarily parted ways with the real Sita. Now few may

argue, if He knew that this was not real Sita, why did he lament or

fight war etc.? There is no end to arguments or asking Why ?

Do not ask for authentic proof for what is written above. I cannot

provide that. Its just a belief,or I must say personal belief and

what we hear over the years we grow up and read at different places

in the process of

growing up. i would always like to believe it this way as it suits

me.

Regards,

Bhaskar.

July 24, 2006

Dear Bhaskar ji

Interesting.

Let me clarify again..I am not being argumentative (yes, bhaskar ji - you are right) and learning a lot from this thread.

Yes, I while quoting Sage Paramhansa, did hint the same. Perhaps, some curse has to be experienced (not remedied). Exactly, is the remdial measure only answer by astrologer to the native? May be the sufferings, are part of karmic purifications and only yogis (who can look beyond the chart) can say about its intensity. I did mention the hint in one of the thread mail.

Yes, Lord Rama was following his dharma. But apart from this deer incident, many great kings (Dashrath, Bharat, Bhishma etc) used to go for hunting (perhaps kshatriya dharma)? Many of the Jain tirthankars (all were chakravati smaratas and were Rajput by origin) got moksha in next birth (after undergoing karmic sufferings for some karma in that birth).

So another interesting point, which emerges - if the native's chart indicates of moksha. if yes then, should he be suggested remedial measures or be guided for this.

regards / Prafulla Gang

To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:32:39 -0000

>

> EXPRESSING THOUGHTS

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Certain thoughts crossed my mind,when I read certain references in

> posts, to the

> following, few days back, and wanted to express them.

>

> 1)Shri RamKrishna Paramhansa having throat problems but not able to

> cure it-

> Actually He had total power in his hands to alleviate his

> own sufferings and others too. This problem he had taken from

> someone else

> on own to provide the other person, relief. (Like Jesus Christ who

> too had this power)

> Some bad effects of karmas can be cleared by remedies, while

> other bad effects of

> more Dridha karmas, have to be borne or suffered.. In that case

> if You happen to meet

> a evolved yogic soul , he can transfer this suffering to your next

> janam, or take this suffering

> on own to relieve You, but cannot totally erase it.Suppose we

> assume that this suffering was

> Shri Ramkrishnas own, then also he would not have transferred it

> later ,because he knew

> that ultimately it has to be borne so why not now? And probably it

> was his last physical stay

> at earth . We also find instances of such Karmas and sufferrings

> (ref-Autobiography of

> a Yogi,where Shri Babaji brandished a hot iron band on a disciples

> back.........)

>

> 2) Shri Rama killing a animal (Deer)-

> Shri Rama being a incarnation knew what was going to happen and

> when. This role

> of human incarnation was played for us future generations to

> teach us how to live

> in all forms of relations (as Father,Brother,son ,King etc.) and

> also certain Karmic

> influences (Shri Bhriguji kicking chest of Lord V......, Jay

> Vijay dvarpals .etc.)

> Playing the role as Maryada Purshottam, there was no way he could

> have killed a harmless

> deer. He knew who the Deer was (mareech playing role of evil, and

> serving Ravana,

> also Mareech however evil he was, when Ravan told him to take the

> form of Deer and

> entice Sitaji, wife of Shri Rama, Mareech immediately came to

> right senses and implored

> Ravan not to make him do this work as he knew who Rama was and

> knew that this could be a dangerous mission where there was no chance

> of safety except being killed at arrow by Shri Ram.

> But Ravana being adamant as he was said Do this or I will kill You.

> Mareecha preferred to

> get killed by Shri Rama.) When he took the form of Deer Shri Rama

> knew he was not killing a Deer, he knew he was killing Mareecha, he

> knew he had to deliver Mareecha as his time had come. And this whole

> act

> was played just to let us know what happens if You run after

> attractions, illusions.golden deer....

> can a golden deer be possible........? This is a allegory to teach us

> humans, not to get tempted by

> illusions,when Sitaji got attracted by the Golden deer what followed

> is history. So Rama was

> not killing a Deer, but evil. ie,personification of good over evil.

> The above references were made by a kind friend whom I know to be

> pure and innocent.,

> So dear Friend please. dont take otherwise. Just exchange of

> thoughts nothing else.I know You did not mean to be irreligious

> or unnecessarily argumentive.

>

> Among other references made by one follower of Dutta, (by the way he

> is first Guru of all of us,in Hinduism)

> 3) Ravana touching Sitaji (holding her hands when kidnapping..)

> Please note that Sitaji was no chui mui (ordinary) , that just anyone

> evil could touch her. She is

> not known as Jagadjanni just for nought. She had the power to

> create/destroy anything she wanted.

> Anyone who can grant ashtsiddhis to anyone is not ordinary.(Asht

> sidhi nau nidhi ke daata, as var

> deen Janaki Mata) .But the roles had to be played for which they had

> taken human form over earth.

> She was not the real Sita Ravan took, but shadow form of Sita.(Like

> Chaaya with refence to second

> wife of The Sun). Because before entering this part of the Van

> (Forest) Shri Ramchandraji had spoken

> and already temporarily parted ways with the real Sita. Now few may

> argue, if He knew that this was not real Sita, why did he lament or

> fight war etc.? There is no end to arguments or asking Why ?

>

> Do not ask for authentic proof for what is written above. I cannot

> provide that. Its just a belief,or I must say personal belief and

> what we hear over the years we grow up and read at different places

> in the process of

> growing up. i would always like to believe it this way as it suits

> me.

>

> Regards,

> Bhaskar.

July 24, 2006

Shri Prafullji,

Thanks a lot for taking in right spirit and relieving me of any

offense,not meant.

The Kings who hunt animals, I do not personally approve of their

actions, but then this must be in accordance with their Kshatriya

Dharma like You said, just like we dont approve or copy actions of

shudras cleaning drainages etc. but this is in accordance with their

lne of duty, so okay with them, they are right, we are supposed to

say.

If the natives chart indicates moksha ? 12 th from Karakamsha lagna

having Ketu in Navamsha. indicates Moksha ? I have this in my

horoscope,(Eluru birth horoscope ?) and most of my family members

have this combination. But not sure because I have not been living

any life which indicates to such result. On the contrary sufferings I

have seen many and still suffering . Still if any persons chart

suggest this, I feel he is also human, and must be under the

influence of karmic rinbandhans to undergo (Sufferings or enjoyment

whatever in store),and when the Dasha of suffering comes, proper

remedial measures done with shraddha vishwas should defnitely,reduce

the pain, and should certainly be suggested. Also if chart indicates

Moksha. guiding too should be there to the native, so that he can

work towards that path, and when the ultimate time comes it will then

embrace him with welcoming arms.

I have read a wonderful book Aghora (3 Parts) by foreign author

Robert E. Svaboda, which explains the concept of Karma. This

book relates his experiences with his Aghori Guru Swami Vimlananda.

I request you to please read this, its really, superb, no doubt.

Do not think he is foreign author so should not read, I feel he is

Indian reborn on foreign soil.Other books also written by him,

on Saturn, Light of Life concerning Jyotish also make good reading.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> Interesting.

>

> Let me clarify again..I am not being argumentative (yes, bhaskar

ji - you are right) and learning a lot from this thread.

>

> Yes, I while quoting Sage Paramhansa, did hint the same. Perhaps,

some curse has to be experienced (not remedied). Exactly, is the

remdial measure only answer by astrologer to the native? May be the

sufferings, are part of karmic purifications and only yogis (who can

look beyond the chart) can say about its intensity. I did mention the

hint in one of the thread mail.

>

> Yes, Lord Rama was following his dharma. But apart from this deer

incident, many great kings (Dashrath, Bharat, Bhishma etc) used to

go for hunting (perhaps kshatriya dharma)? Many of the Jain

tirthankars (all were chakravati smaratas and were Rajput by origin)

got moksha in next birth (after undergoing karmic sufferings for some

karma in that birth).

>

> So another interesting point, which emerges - if the native's chart

indicates of moksha. if yes then, should he be suggested remedial

measures or be guided for this.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:32:39 -0000

> >

> > EXPRESSING THOUGHTS

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Certain thoughts crossed my mind,when I read certain references in

> > posts, to the

> > following, few days back, and wanted to express them.

> >

> > 1)Shri RamKrishna Paramhansa having throat problems but not able

to

> > cure it-

> > Actually He had total power in his hands to alleviate his

> > own sufferings and others too. This problem he had taken from

> > someone else

> > on own to provide the other person, relief. (Like Jesus Christ

who

> > too had this power)

> > Some bad effects of karmas can be cleared by remedies, while

> > other bad effects of

> > more Dridha karmas, have to be borne or suffered.. In that

case

> > if You happen to meet

> > a evolved yogic soul , he can transfer this suffering to your

> > on own to relieve You, but cannot totally erase it.Suppose we

> > assume that this suffering was

> > Shri Ramkrishnas own, then also he would not have transferred

it

> > later ,because he knew

> > that ultimately it has to be borne so why not now? And

probably it

> > was his last physical stay

> > at earth . We also find instances of such Karmas and

sufferrings

> > (ref-Autobiography of

> > a Yogi,where Shri Babaji brandished a hot iron band on a

disciples

> > back.........)

> >

> > 2) Shri Rama killing a animal (Deer)-

> > Shri Rama being a incarnation knew what was going to happen

and

> > when. This role

> > of human incarnation was played for us future generations to

> > teach us how to live

> > in all forms of relations (as Father,Brother,son ,King etc.)

and

> > also certain Karmic

> > influences (Shri Bhriguji kicking chest of Lord V......, Jay

> > Vijay dvarpals .etc.)

> > Playing the role as Maryada Purshottam, there was no way he

could

> > have killed a harmless

> > deer. He knew who the Deer was (mareech playing role of evil,

and

> > serving Ravana,

> > also Mareech however evil he was, when Ravan told him to take

the

> > form of Deer and

> > entice Sitaji, wife of Shri Rama, Mareech immediately came to

> > right senses and implored

> > Ravan not to make him do this work as he knew who Rama was and

> > knew that this could be a dangerous mission where there was no

chance

> > of safety except being killed at arrow by Shri Ram.

> > But Ravana being adamant as he was said Do this or I will kill

You.

> > Mareecha preferred to

> > get killed by Shri Rama.) When he took the form of Deer Shri Rama

> > knew he was not killing a Deer, he knew he was killing Mareecha,

he

> > knew he had to deliver Mareecha as his time had come. And this

whole

> > act

> > was played just to let us know what happens if You run after

> > attractions, illusions.golden deer....

> > can a golden deer be possible........? This is a allegory to

teach us

> > humans, not to get tempted by

> > illusions,when Sitaji got attracted by the Golden deer what

followed

> > is history. So Rama was

> > not killing a Deer, but evil. ie,personification of good over

evil.

> > The above references were made by a kind friend whom I know to be

> > pure and innocent.,

> > So dear Friend please. dont take otherwise. Just exchange of

> > thoughts nothing else.I know You did not mean to be irreligious

> > or unnecessarily argumentive.

> >

> > Among other references made by one follower of Dutta, (by the

way he

> > is first Guru of all of us,in Hinduism)

> > 3) Ravana touching Sitaji (holding her hands when kidnapping..)

> > Please note that Sitaji was no chui mui (ordinary) , that just

anyone

> > evil could touch her. She is

> > not known as Jagadjanni just for nought. She had the power to

> > create/destroy anything she wanted.

> > Anyone who can grant ashtsiddhis to anyone is not ordinary.(Asht

> > sidhi nau nidhi ke daata, as var

> > deen Janaki Mata) .But the roles had to be played for which they

had

> > taken human form over earth.

> > She was not the real Sita Ravan took, but shadow form of Sita.

(Like

> > Chaaya with refence to second

> > wife of The Sun). Because before entering this part of the Van

> > (Forest) Shri Ramchandraji had spoken

> > and already temporarily parted ways with the real Sita. Now few

may

> > argue, if He knew that this was not real Sita, why did he lament

or

> > fight war etc.? There is no end to arguments or asking Why ?

> >

> > Do not ask for authentic proof for what is written above. I cannot

> > provide that. Its just a belief,or I must say personal belief and

> > what we hear over the years we grow up and read at different

places

> > in the process of

> > growing up. i would always like to believe it this way as it

suits

> > me.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Bhaskar.

>

July 24, 2006

Dear Bhaskar ji

You are a gifted person. I am posting my opinion on ketu in 12th. But first let me clarify you few things (for may sake):

I am generally not offended, and try to stick to comments only on subject. Yes, in past couple of times, i might have sounded rude, but rarely have made or acknowledged (do not want to judge the contents as well) personal comments. Though I am very reactive person and can be on extreme line of the subject.

12th house is subconscious mind and ketu there (whether in D9 / 12th from Karkamsha Lagna or in rashi chart), needs special handling. Native needs to unlock this by accepting many of spiritual inclination (not restricted to religion) at subconscious level. In other words, his acceptance of dharma (duties, obligations, worldly sacrifices etc) must not be superficial and must be from core of his subconscious mind as part of his karmic obligations of this life. This helps in karma dilution. I have seen in some cases, native needed special guidance, else many a times his worldly pursuits becomes frustrating events (causing additional karmic bondages for such thinking). Fortunately, native eventually gets this guidance and gains inner peace with the time. 12th house has karkatva of happiness too, so native must accept any such karmic pursuits as repayment of karmic bond. In layman's language, if native got to pick up someone from railway station - he must do as his karmic obligation whole heartedly, else the frustrations will affect the happiness. 12th house is bandhan to lagna too (along with 2nd house) - ofcourse functions varies for both the bandhans; Another example - assume native is dumped by close relative, he must be guided to feel such suffering as part of repayment of some past life karma. and such feelings / approach at subconscious level will help native in unlocking such bondages (in a way, in layman's terms it is best remedy for ketu in 12th and sufferings therefrom)and even blessing with highest order of materialistic pleasures (ofcourse with least attachment). Native need to use ketu as catalyst (by adhering to its traits).

Many may not agree with the above analogy and the examples quoted are not with any specific chart in reference. Just use them as pointer. Ofcourse, the association of other planets / rashi etc will have say in final shaping up of events.

I refer to another chart - scorpio lagna mars / ketu in 12th bhava - moon in lagna, venus / saturn in 5th house, sun/budha in 4th, guru in 9th ; I observed native having this trait and had excellent ketu mahadasha.

regards / Prafulla Gang

To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:16:00 -0000

>

> Re: EXPRESSING THOUGHTS

>

> Shri Prafullji,

>

> Thanks a lot for taking in right spirit and relieving me of any

> offense,not meant.

>

> The Kings who hunt animals, I do not personally approve of their

> actions, but then this must be in accordance with their Kshatriya

> Dharma like You said, just like we dont approve or copy actions of

> shudras cleaning drainages etc. but this is in accordance with their

> lne of duty, so okay with them, they are right, we are supposed to

> say.

> If the natives chart indicates moksha ? 12 th from Karakamsha lagna

> having Ketu in Navamsha. indicates Moksha ? I have this in my

> horoscope,(Eluru birth horoscope ?) and most of my family members

> have this combination. But not sure because I have not been living

> any life which indicates to such result. On the contrary sufferings I

> have seen many and still suffering . Still if any persons chart

> suggest this, I feel he is also human, and must be under the

> influence of karmic rinbandhans to undergo (Sufferings or enjoyment

> whatever in store),and when the Dasha of suffering comes, proper

> remedial measures done with shraddha vishwas should defnitely,reduce

> the pain, and should certainly be suggested. Also if chart indicates

> Moksha. guiding too should be there to the native, so that he can

> work towards that path, and when the ultimate time comes it will then

> embrace him with welcoming arms.

>

> I have read a wonderful book Aghora (3 Parts) by foreign author

> Robert E. Svaboda, which explains the concept of Karma. This

> book relates his experiences with his Aghori Guru Swami Vimlananda.

> I request you to please read this, its really, superb, no doubt.

> Do not think he is foreign author so should not read, I feel he is

> Indian reborn on foreign soil.Other books also written by him,

> on Saturn, Light of Life concerning Jyotish also make good reading.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>

>> Interesting.

>>

>> Let me clarify again..I am not being argumentative (yes, bhaskar

> ji - you are right) and learning a lot from this thread.

>>

>> Yes, I while quoting Sage Paramhansa, did hint the same. Perhaps,

> some curse has to be experienced (not remedied). Exactly, is the

> remdial measure only answer by astrologer to the native? May be the

> sufferings, are part of karmic purifications and only yogis (who can

> look beyond the chart) can say about its intensity. I did mention the

> hint in one of the thread mail.

>>

>> Yes, Lord Rama was following his dharma. But apart from this deer

> incident, many great kings (Dashrath, Bharat, Bhishma etc) used to

> go for hunting (perhaps kshatriya dharma)? Many of the Jain

> tirthankars (all were chakravati smaratas and were Rajput by origin)

> got moksha in next birth (after undergoing karmic sufferings for some

> karma in that birth).

>>

>> So another interesting point, which emerges - if the native's chart

> indicates of moksha. if yes then, should he be suggested remedial

> measures or be guided for this.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>>

>>>

>>> bhaskar_jyotish

>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:32:39 -0000

>>>

>>> EXPRESSING THOUGHTS

>>>

>>> Dear Friends,

>>>

>>> Certain thoughts crossed my mind,when I read certain references in

>>> posts, to the

>>> following, few days back, and wanted to express them.

>>>

>>> 1)Shri RamKrishna Paramhansa having throat problems but not able

> to

>>> cure it-

>>> Actually He had total power in his hands to alleviate his

>>> own sufferings and others too. This problem he had taken from

>>> someone else

>>> on own to provide the other person, relief. (Like Jesus Christ

> who

>>> too had this power)

>>> Some bad effects of karmas can be cleared by remedies, while

>>> other bad effects of

>>> more Dridha karmas, have to be borne or suffered.. In that

> case

>>> if You happen to meet

>>> a evolved yogic soul , he can transfer this suffering to your

> next

>>> janam, or take this suffering

>>> on own to relieve You, but cannot totally erase it.Suppose we

>>> assume that this suffering was

>>> Shri Ramkrishnas own, then also he would not have transferred

> it

>>> later ,because he knew

>>> that ultimately it has to be borne so why not now? And

> probably it

>>> was his last physical stay

>>> at earth . We also find instances of such Karmas and

> sufferrings

>>> (ref-Autobiography of

>>> a Yogi,where Shri Babaji brandished a hot iron band on a

> disciples

>>> back.........)

>>>

>>> 2) Shri Rama killing a animal (Deer)-

>>> Shri Rama being a incarnation knew what was going to happen

> and

>>> when. This role

>>> of human incarnation was played for us future generations to

>>> teach us how to live

>>> in all forms of relations (as Father,Brother,son ,King etc.)

> and

>>> also certain Karmic

>>> influences (Shri Bhriguji kicking chest of Lord V......, Jay

>>> Vijay dvarpals .etc.)

>>> Playing the role as Maryada Purshottam, there was no way he

> could

>>> have killed a harmless

>>> deer. He knew who the Deer was (mareech playing role of evil,

> and

>>> serving Ravana,

>>> also Mareech however evil he was, when Ravan told him to take

> the

>>> form of Deer and

>>> entice Sitaji, wife of Shri Rama, Mareech immediately came to

>>> right senses and implored

>>> Ravan not to make him do this work as he knew who Rama was and

>>> knew that this could be a dangerous mission where there was no

> chance

>>> of safety except being killed at arrow by Shri Ram.

>>> But Ravana being adamant as he was said Do this or I will kill

> You.

>>> Mareecha preferred to

>>> get killed by Shri Rama.) When he took the form of Deer Shri Rama

>>> knew he was not killing a Deer, he knew he was killing Mareecha,

> he

>>> knew he had to deliver Mareecha as his time had come. And this

> whole

>>> act

>>> was played just to let us know what happens if You run after

>>> attractions, illusions.golden deer....

>>> can a golden deer be possible........? This is a allegory to

> teach us

>>> humans, not to get tempted by

>>> illusions,when Sitaji got attracted by the Golden deer what

> followed

>>> is history. So Rama was

>>> not killing a Deer, but evil. ie,personification of good over

> evil.

>>> The above references were made by a kind friend whom I know to be

>>> pure and innocent.,

>>> So dear Friend please. dont take otherwise. Just exchange of

>>> thoughts nothing else.I know You did not mean to be irreligious

>>> or unnecessarily argumentive.

>>>

>>> Among other references made by one follower of Dutta, (by the

> way he

>>> is first Guru of all of us,in Hinduism)

>>> 3) Ravana touching Sitaji (holding her hands when kidnapping..)

>>> Please note that Sitaji was no chui mui (ordinary) , that just

> anyone

>>> evil could touch her. She is

>>> not known as Jagadjanni just for nought. She had the power to

>>> create/destroy anything she wanted.

>>> Anyone who can grant ashtsiddhis to anyone is not ordinary.(Asht

>>> sidhi nau nidhi ke daata, as var

>>> deen Janaki Mata) .But the roles had to be played for which they

> had

>>> taken human form over earth.

>>> She was not the real Sita Ravan took, but shadow form of Sita.

> (Like

>>> Chaaya with refence to second

>>> wife of The Sun). Because before entering this part of the Van

>>> (Forest) Shri Ramchandraji had spoken

>>> and already temporarily parted ways with the real Sita. Now few

> may

>>> argue, if He knew that this was not real Sita, why did he lament

> or

>>> fight war etc.? There is no end to arguments or asking Why ?

>>>

>>> Do not ask for authentic proof for what is written above. I cannot

>>> provide that. Its just a belief,or I must say personal belief and

>>> what we hear over the years we grow up and read at different

> places

>>> in the process of

>>> growing up. i would always like to believe it this way as it

> suits

>>> me.

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>> Bhaskar.

>>

July 24, 2006

Dear Prafullji,

That was a good explanation. But have already mentioned before

that You are adept in this.

What You have mentioned has actually been faced by me and the

feelings or approach towards these, unfavourable conditions ,

if changed gives way to some peace.,otherwise its really frustrating.

Accussing people who hurt us, or family members or from the public

who make us suffer in gravity, cause can only be found in actions

before the prelude or introduction of this birth.(This theory is only

for people who believe in after life, and rebirth). We must have

definitely caused prolonged pain to them, to recieve back grief in

return now, these same people now in the forms of father ,brother,

wife, sons etc, If I blame them all the time, only I will suffer,

If I accept that I have to recive pain as return for what I must have

done to them, then my suffering becomes an accepted part of my life

rather than an unending chapter..But the complexities of life being

so huge, and fragmentation of incidents also being innumerous, all

the time, the mind cannot stay in this state of acceptance and

wiseness,which causes trouble in form of confrontations, etc.

thus the need for continous satsanga or communication with uplifted

people arrives.

Bhaskar.

In , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> You are a gifted person. I am posting my opinion on ketu in 12th.

But first let me clarify you few things (for may sake):

>

> I am generally not offended, and try to stick to comments only on

subject. Yes, in past couple of times, i might have sounded rude, but

rarely have made or acknowledged (do not want to judge the contents

as well) personal comments. Though I am very reactive person and can

be on extreme line of the subject.

>

> 12th house is subconscious mind and ketu there (whether in D9 /

12th from Karkamsha Lagna or in rashi chart), needs special handling.

Native needs to unlock this by accepting many of spiritual

inclination (not restricted to religion) at subconscious level. In

other words, his acceptance of dharma (duties, obligations, worldly

sacrifices etc) must not be superficial and must be from core of his

subconscious mind as part of his karmic obligations of this life.

This helps in karma dilution. I have seen in some cases, native

needed special guidance, else many a times his worldly pursuits

becomes frustrating events (causing additional karmic bondages for

such thinking). Fortunately, native eventually gets this guidance and

gains inner peace with the time. 12th house has karkatva of happiness

too, so native must accept any such karmic pursuits as repayment of

karmic bond. In layman's language, if native got to pick up someone

from railway station - he must do as his karmic obligation whole

heartedly, else the frustrations will affect the happiness. 12th

house is bandhan to lagna too (along with 2nd house) - ofcourse

functions varies for both the bandhans; Another example - assume

native is dumped by close relative, he must be guided to feel such

suffering as part of repayment of some past life karma. and such

feelings / approach at subconscious level will help native in

unlocking such bondages (in a way, in layman's terms it is best

remedy for ketu in 12th and sufferings therefrom)and even blessing

with highest order of materialistic pleasures (ofcourse with least

attachment). Native need to use ketu as catalyst (by adhering to its

traits).

>

> Many may not agree with the above analogy and the examples quoted

are not with any specific chart in reference. Just use them as

pointer. Ofcourse, the association of other planets / rashi etc will

have say in final shaping up of events.

>

> I refer to another chart - scorpio lagna mars / ketu in 12th bhava -

moon in lagna, venus / saturn in 5th house, sun/budha in 4th, guru

in 9th ; I observed native having this trait and had excellent ketu

mahadasha.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:16:00 -0000

> >

> > Re: EXPRESSING THOUGHTS

> >

> > Shri Prafullji,

> >

> > Thanks a lot for taking in right spirit and relieving me of any

> > offense,not meant.

> >

> > The Kings who hunt animals, I do not personally approve of their

> > actions, but then this must be in accordance with their Kshatriya

> > Dharma like You said, just like we dont approve or copy actions of

> > shudras cleaning drainages etc. but this is in accordance with

their

> > lne of duty, so okay with them, they are right, we are supposed to

> > say.

> > If the natives chart indicates moksha ? 12 th from Karakamsha

lagna

> > having Ketu in Navamsha. indicates Moksha ? I have this in my

> > horoscope,(Eluru birth horoscope ?) and most of my family members

> > have this combination. But not sure because I have not been living

> > any life which indicates to such result. On the contrary

sufferings I

> > have seen many and still suffering . Still if any persons chart

> > suggest this, I feel he is also human, and must be under the

> > influence of karmic rinbandhans to undergo (Sufferings or

enjoyment

> > whatever in store),and when the Dasha of suffering comes, proper

> > remedial measures done with shraddha vishwas should

defnitely,reduce

> > the pain, and should certainly be suggested. Also if chart

indicates

> > Moksha. guiding too should be there to the native, so that he can

> > work towards that path, and when the ultimate time comes it will

then

> > embrace him with welcoming arms.

> >

> > I have read a wonderful book Aghora (3 Parts) by foreign author

> > Robert E. Svaboda, which explains the concept of Karma. This

> > book relates his experiences with his Aghori Guru Swami

Vimlananda.

> > I request you to please read this, its really, superb, no doubt.

> > Do not think he is foreign author so should not read, I feel he is

> > Indian reborn on foreign soil.Other books also written by him,

> > on Saturn, Light of Life concerning Jyotish also make good

reading.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Bhaskar ji

> >>

> >> Interesting.

> >>

> >> Let me clarify again..I am not being argumentative (yes, bhaskar

> > ji - you are right) and learning a lot from this thread.

> >>

> >> Yes, I while quoting Sage Paramhansa, did hint the same. Perhaps,

> > some curse has to be experienced (not remedied). Exactly, is the

> > remdial measure only answer by astrologer to the native? May be

the

> > sufferings, are part of karmic purifications and only yogis (who

can

> > look beyond the chart) can say about its intensity. I did mention

the

> > hint in one of the thread mail.

> >>

> >> Yes, Lord Rama was following his dharma. But apart from this deer

> > incident, many great kings (Dashrath, Bharat, Bhishma etc) used

to

> > go for hunting (perhaps kshatriya dharma)? Many of the Jain

> > tirthankars (all were chakravati smaratas and were Rajput by

origin)

> > got moksha in next birth (after undergoing karmic sufferings for

some

> > karma in that birth).

> >>

> >> So another interesting point, which emerges - if the native's

chart

> > indicates of moksha. if yes then, should he be suggested remedial

> > measures or be guided for this.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

> >>

> >>>

> >>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:32:39 -0000

> >>>

> >>> EXPRESSING THOUGHTS

> >>>

> >>> Dear Friends,

> >>>

> >>> Certain thoughts crossed my mind,when I read certain references

in

> >>> posts, to the

> >>> following, few days back, and wanted to express them.

> >>>

> >>> 1)Shri RamKrishna Paramhansa having throat problems but not able

> > to

> >>> cure it-

> >>> Actually He had total power in his hands to alleviate his

> >>> own sufferings and others too. This problem he had taken from

> >>> someone else

> >>> on own to provide the other person, relief. (Like Jesus

Christ

> > who

> >>> too had this power)

> >>> Some bad effects of karmas can be cleared by remedies, while

> >>> other bad effects of

> >>> more Dridha karmas, have to be borne or suffered.. In that

> > case

> >>> if You happen to meet

> >>> a evolved yogic soul , he can transfer this suffering to your

> > next

> >>> janam, or take this suffering

> >>> on own to relieve You, but cannot totally erase it.Suppose we

> >>> assume that this suffering was

> >>> Shri Ramkrishnas own, then also he would not have transferred

> > it

> >>> later ,because he knew

> >>> that ultimately it has to be borne so why not now? And

> > probably it

> >>> was his last physical stay

> >>> at earth . We also find instances of such Karmas and

> > sufferrings

> >>> (ref-Autobiography of

> >>> a Yogi,where Shri Babaji brandished a hot iron band on a

> > disciples

> >>> back.........)

> >>>

> >>> 2) Shri Rama killing a animal (Deer)-

> >>> Shri Rama being a incarnation knew what was going to happen

> > and

> >>> when. This role

> >>> of human incarnation was played for us future generations to

> >>> teach us how to live

> >>> in all forms of relations (as Father,Brother,son ,King etc.)

> > and

> >>> also certain Karmic

> >>> influences (Shri Bhriguji kicking chest of Lord V......, Jay

> >>> Vijay dvarpals .etc.)

> >>> Playing the role as Maryada Purshottam, there was no way he

> > could

> >>> have killed a harmless

> >>> deer. He knew who the Deer was (mareech playing role of

evil,

> > and

> >>> serving Ravana,

> >>> also Mareech however evil he was, when Ravan told him to

take

> > the

> >>> form of Deer and

> >>> entice Sitaji, wife of Shri Rama, Mareech immediately came

to

> >>> right senses and implored

> >>> Ravan not to make him do this work as he knew who Rama was

and

> >>> knew that this could be a dangerous mission where there was no

> > chance

> >>> of safety except being killed at arrow by Shri Ram.

> >>> But Ravana being adamant as he was said Do this or I will kill

> > You.

> >>> Mareecha preferred to

> >>> get killed by Shri Rama.) When he took the form of Deer Shri

Rama

> >>> knew he was not killing a Deer, he knew he was killing Mareecha,

> > he

> >>> knew he had to deliver Mareecha as his time had come. And this

> > whole

> >>> act

> >>> was played just to let us know what happens if You run after

> >>> attractions, illusions.golden deer....

> >>> can a golden deer be possible........? This is a allegory to

> > teach us

> >>> humans, not to get tempted by

> >>> illusions,when Sitaji got attracted by the Golden deer what

> > followed

> >>> is history. So Rama was

> >>> not killing a Deer, but evil. ie,personification of good over

> > evil.

> >>> The above references were made by a kind friend whom I know to

be

> >>> pure and innocent.,

> >>> So dear Friend please. dont take otherwise. Just exchange of

> >>> thoughts nothing else.I know You did not mean to be irreligious

> >>> or unnecessarily argumentive.

> >>>

> >>> Among other references made by one follower of Dutta, (by the

> > way he

> >>> is first Guru of all of us,in Hinduism)

> >>> 3) Ravana touching Sitaji (holding her hands when kidnapping..)

> >>> Please note that Sitaji was no chui mui (ordinary) , that just

> > anyone

> >>> evil could touch her. She is

> >>> not known as Jagadjanni just for nought. She had the power to

> >>> create/destroy anything she wanted.

> >>> Anyone who can grant ashtsiddhis to anyone is not ordinary.(Asht

> >>> sidhi nau nidhi ke daata, as var

> >>> deen Janaki Mata) .But the roles had to be played for which

they

> > had

> >>> taken human form over earth.

> >>> She was not the real Sita Ravan took, but shadow form of Sita.

> > (Like

> >>> Chaaya with refence to second

> >>> wife of The Sun). Because before entering this part of the Van

> >>> (Forest) Shri Ramchandraji had spoken

> >>> and already temporarily parted ways with the real Sita. Now few

> > may

> >>> argue, if He knew that this was not real Sita, why did he lament

> > or

> >>> fight war etc.? There is no end to arguments or asking Why ?

> >>>

> >>> Do not ask for authentic proof for what is written above. I

cannot

> >>> provide that. Its just a belief,or I must say personal belief

and

> >>> what we hear over the years we grow up and read at different

> > places

> >>> in the process of

> >>> growing up. i would always like to believe it this way as it

> > suits

> >>> me.

> >>>

> >>> Regards,

> >>> Bhaskar.

> >>

>

July 24, 2006

Dear friends,

I totally agree with Prafullaji - "In other words, his acceptance of

dharma .... his karmic obligations of this life".

Since this is being discussed on a public newsgroup, and having Ketu

in 12H in D1/vargottam (with Mars and Venus) I am giving my 2 cents.

In my personal experience from my chart it might causes loss of self

esteem, and people walking all over the individual(12H Mars). It

does sound a little contradictory but internally it gives lot of

peace (guess helps in karma dilution).

Once I was on this track apart from some setbacks (karmic debt

payments), I had an excellent ketu mahadasha.

Warm regards,

Pranav

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> You are a gifted person. I am posting my opinion on ketu in 12th.

But first let me clarify you few things (for may sake):

>

> I am generally not offended, and try to stick to comments only on

subject. Yes, in past couple of times, i might have sounded rude,

but rarely have made or acknowledged (do not want to judge the

contents as well) personal comments. Though I am very reactive

person and can be on extreme line of the subject.

>

> 12th house is subconscious mind and ketu there (whether in D9 /

12th from Karkamsha Lagna or in rashi chart), needs special

handling. Native needs to unlock this by accepting many of spiritual

inclination (not restricted to religion) at subconscious level. In

other words, his acceptance of dharma (duties, obligations, worldly

sacrifices etc) must not be superficial and must be from core of his

subconscious mind as part of his karmic obligations of this life.

This helps in karma dilution. I have seen in some cases, native

needed special guidance, else many a times his worldly pursuits

becomes frustrating events (causing additional karmic bondages for

such thinking). Fortunately, native eventually gets this guidance

and gains inner peace with the time. 12th house has karkatva of

happiness too, so native must accept any such karmic pursuits as

repayment of karmic bond. In layman's language, if native got to

pick up someone from railway station - he must do as his karmic

obligation whole heartedly, else the frustrations will affect the

happiness. 12th house is bandhan to lagna too (along with 2nd

house) - ofcourse functions varies for both the bandhans; Another

example - assume native is dumped by close relative, he must be

guided to feel such suffering as part of repayment of some past life

karma. and such feelings / approach at subconscious level will help

native in unlocking such bondages (in a way, in layman's terms it is

best remedy for ketu in 12th and sufferings therefrom)and even

blessing with highest order of materialistic pleasures (ofcourse

with least attachment). Native need to use ketu as catalyst (by

adhering to its traits).

>

> Many may not agree with the above analogy and the examples quoted

are not with any specific chart in reference. Just use them as

pointer. Ofcourse, the association of other planets / rashi etc will

have say in final shaping up of events.

>

> I refer to another chart - scorpio lagna mars / ketu in 12th

bhava - moon in lagna, venus / saturn in 5th house, sun/budha in

4th, guru in 9th ; I observed native having this trait and had

excellent ketu mahadasha.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:16:00 -0000

> >

> > Re: EXPRESSING THOUGHTS

> >

> > Shri Prafullji,

> >

> > Thanks a lot for taking in right spirit and relieving me of any

> > offense,not meant.

> >

> > The Kings who hunt animals, I do not personally approve of their

> > actions, but then this must be in accordance with their Kshatriya

> > Dharma like You said, just like we dont approve or copy actions

of

> > shudras cleaning drainages etc. but this is in accordance with

their

> > lne of duty, so okay with them, they are right, we are supposed

to

> > say.

> > If the natives chart indicates moksha ? 12 th from Karakamsha

lagna

> > having Ketu in Navamsha. indicates Moksha ? I have this in my

> > horoscope,(Eluru birth horoscope ?) and most of my family members

> > have this combination. But not sure because I have not been

living

> > any life which indicates to such result. On the contrary

sufferings I

> > have seen many and still suffering . Still if any persons chart

> > suggest this, I feel he is also human, and must be under the

> > influence of karmic rinbandhans to undergo (Sufferings or

enjoyment

> > whatever in store),and when the Dasha of suffering comes, proper

> > remedial measures done with shraddha vishwas should

defnitely,reduce

> > the pain, and should certainly be suggested. Also if chart

indicates

> > Moksha. guiding too should be there to the native, so that he can

> > work towards that path, and when the ultimate time comes it will

then

> > embrace him with welcoming arms.

> >

> > I have read a wonderful book Aghora (3 Parts) by foreign author

> > Robert E. Svaboda, which explains the concept of Karma. This

> > book relates his experiences with his Aghori Guru Swami

Vimlananda.

> > I request you to please read this, its really, superb, no doubt.

> > Do not think he is foreign author so should not read, I feel he

is

> > Indian reborn on foreign soil.Other books also written by him,

> > on Saturn, Light of Life concerning Jyotish also make good

reading.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Bhaskar ji

> >>

> >> Interesting.

> >>

> >> Let me clarify again..I am not being argumentative (yes, bhaskar

> > ji - you are right) and learning a lot from this thread.

> >>

> >> Yes, I while quoting Sage Paramhansa, did hint the same.

Perhaps,

> > some curse has to be experienced (not remedied). Exactly, is the

> > remdial measure only answer by astrologer to the native? May be

the

> > sufferings, are part of karmic purifications and only yogis (who

can

> > look beyond the chart) can say about its intensity. I did

mention the

> > hint in one of the thread mail.

> >>

> >> Yes, Lord Rama was following his dharma. But apart from this

deer

> > incident, many great kings (Dashrath, Bharat, Bhishma etc) used

to

> > go for hunting (perhaps kshatriya dharma)? Many of the Jain

> > tirthankars (all were chakravati smaratas and were Rajput by

origin)

> > got moksha in next birth (after undergoing karmic sufferings for

some

> > karma in that birth).

> >>

> >> So another interesting point, which emerges - if the native's

chart

> > indicates of moksha. if yes then, should he be suggested remedial

> > measures or be guided for this.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

> >>

> >>>

> >>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:32:39 -0000

> >>>

> >>> EXPRESSING THOUGHTS

> >>>

> >>> Dear Friends,

> >>>

> >>> Certain thoughts crossed my mind,when I read certain

references in

> >>> posts, to the

> >>> following, few days back, and wanted to express them.

> >>>

> >>> 1)Shri RamKrishna Paramhansa having throat problems but not

able

> > to

> >>> cure it-

> >>> Actually He had total power in his hands to alleviate his

> >>> own sufferings and others too. This problem he had taken

from

> >>> someone else

> >>> on own to provide the other person, relief. (Like Jesus

Christ

> > who

> >>> too had this power)

> >>> Some bad effects of karmas can be cleared by remedies,

while

> >>> other bad effects of

> >>> more Dridha karmas, have to be borne or suffered.. In that

> > case

> >>> if You happen to meet

> >>> a evolved yogic soul , he can transfer this suffering to

your

> > next

> >>> janam, or take this suffering

> >>> on own to relieve You, but cannot totally erase it.Suppose

we

> >>> assume that this suffering was

> >>> Shri Ramkrishnas own, then also he would not have

transferred

> > it

> >>> later ,because he knew

> >>> that ultimately it has to be borne so why not now? And

> > probably it

> >>> was his last physical stay

> >>> at earth . We also find instances of such Karmas and

> > sufferrings

> >>> (ref-Autobiography of

> >>> a Yogi,where Shri Babaji brandished a hot iron band on a

> > disciples

> >>> back.........)

> >>>

> >>> 2) Shri Rama killing a animal (Deer)-

> >>> Shri Rama being a incarnation knew what was going to happen

> > and

> >>> when. This role

> >>> of human incarnation was played for us future generations

to

> >>> teach us how to live

> >>> in all forms of relations (as Father,Brother,son ,King

etc.)

> > and

> >>> also certain Karmic

> >>> influences (Shri Bhriguji kicking chest of Lord V......,

Jay

> >>> Vijay dvarpals .etc.)

> >>> Playing the role as Maryada Purshottam, there was no way he

> > could

> >>> have killed a harmless

> >>> deer. He knew who the Deer was (mareech playing role of

evil,

> > and

> >>> serving Ravana,

> >>> also Mareech however evil he was, when Ravan told him to

take

> > the

> >>> form of Deer and

> >>> entice Sitaji, wife of Shri Rama, Mareech immediately came

to

> >>> right senses and implored

> >>> Ravan not to make him do this work as he knew who Rama was

and

> >>> knew that this could be a dangerous mission where there was no

> > chance

> >>> of safety except being killed at arrow by Shri Ram.

> >>> But Ravana being adamant as he was said Do this or I will kill

> > You.

> >>> Mareecha preferred to

> >>> get killed by Shri Rama.) When he took the form of Deer Shri

Rama

> >>> knew he was not killing a Deer, he knew he was killing

Mareecha,

> > he

> >>> knew he had to deliver Mareecha as his time had come. And this

> > whole

> >>> act

> >>> was played just to let us know what happens if You run after

> >>> attractions, illusions.golden deer....

> >>> can a golden deer be possible........? This is a allegory to

> > teach us

> >>> humans, not to get tempted by

> >>> illusions,when Sitaji got attracted by the Golden deer what

> > followed

> >>> is history. So Rama was

> >>> not killing a Deer, but evil. ie,personification of good over

> > evil.

> >>> The above references were made by a kind friend whom I know

to be

> >>> pure and innocent.,

> >>> So dear Friend please. dont take otherwise. Just exchange of

> >>> thoughts nothing else.I know You did not mean to be irreligious

> >>> or unnecessarily argumentive.

> >>>

> >>> Among other references made by one follower of Dutta, (by the

> > way he

> >>> is first Guru of all of us,in Hinduism)

> >>> 3) Ravana touching Sitaji (holding her hands when kidnapping..)

> >>> Please note that Sitaji was no chui mui (ordinary) , that just

> > anyone

> >>> evil could touch her. She is

> >>> not known as Jagadjanni just for nought. She had the power to

> >>> create/destroy anything she wanted.

> >>> Anyone who can grant ashtsiddhis to anyone is not ordinary.

(Asht

> >>> sidhi nau nidhi ke daata, as var

> >>> deen Janaki Mata) .But the roles had to be played for which

they

> > had

> >>> taken human form over earth.

> >>> She was not the real Sita Ravan took, but shadow form of Sita.

> > (Like

> >>> Chaaya with refence to second

> >>> wife of The Sun). Because before entering this part of the Van

> >>> (Forest) Shri Ramchandraji had spoken

> >>> and already temporarily parted ways with the real Sita. Now few

> > may

> >>> argue, if He knew that this was not real Sita, why did he

lament

> > or

> >>> fight war etc.? There is no end to arguments or asking Why ?

> >>>

> >>> Do not ask for authentic proof for what is written above. I

cannot

> >>> provide that. Its just a belief,or I must say personal belief

and

> >>> what we hear over the years we grow up and read at different

> > places

> >>> in the process of

> >>> growing up. i would always like to believe it this way as it

> > suits

> >>> me.

> >>>

> >>> Regards,

> >>> Bhaskar.

> >>

>

July 25, 2006

Dear Sushma/Pranav,

Reading your post brought a chart to mind. I do not yet have

permission to share all details but this person has leo rising with

moon, ketu and jupiter in the 12th house. Interesting combination of

GKY and GCY in the 12th house with moon in own house and jupiter

exalted!

By all counts, this person was born with limitations, personal

(health) and skill-wise but such was the strength of the atma within

that everything that should have gone wrong and much not deserved

(like prizes in sports and so on without any effort) came his way and

he was identified as the gifted, intellectual that he obviously is.

Was it the GKY made by own chandra and exalted guru in the 12th (past

karma)?

Or was it the nullification of GCY due to above reasons?

His lagnesha is in the fifth, very weak in bala.

Sorry if I am being perceived as one who is teasing, if that is how

this may sound like, but seemed relevant to share what I could!

RR

, "sushmagupta51"

<sushmagupta51 wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> I totally agree with Prafullaji - "In other words, his acceptance

of

> dharma .... his karmic obligations of this life".

> Since this is being discussed on a public newsgroup, and having

Ketu

> in 12H in D1/vargottam (with Mars and Venus) I am giving my 2

cents.

>

> In my personal experience from my chart it might causes loss of

self

> esteem, and people walking all over the individual(12H Mars). It

> does sound a little contradictory but internally it gives lot of

> peace (guess helps in karma dilution).

>

> Once I was on this track apart from some setbacks (karmic debt

> payments), I had an excellent ketu mahadasha.

>

> Warm regards,

> Pranav

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji

> >

> > You are a gifted person. I am posting my opinion on ketu in 12th.

> But first let me clarify you few things (for may sake):

> >

> > I am generally not offended, and try to stick to comments only on

> subject. Yes, in past couple of times, i might have sounded rude,

> but rarely have made or acknowledged (do not want to judge the

> contents as well) personal comments. Though I am very reactive

> person and can be on extreme line of the subject.

> >

> > 12th house is subconscious mind and ketu there (whether in D9 /

> 12th from Karkamsha Lagna or in rashi chart), needs special

> handling. Native needs to unlock this by accepting many of

spiritual

> inclination (not restricted to religion) at subconscious level. In

> other words, his acceptance of dharma (duties, obligations, worldly

> sacrifices etc) must not be superficial and must be from core of

his

> subconscious mind as part of his karmic obligations of this life.

> This helps in karma dilution. I have seen in some cases, native

> needed special guidance, else many a times his worldly pursuits

> becomes frustrating events (causing additional karmic bondages for

> such thinking). Fortunately, native eventually gets this guidance

> and gains inner peace with the time. 12th house has karkatva of

> happiness too, so native must accept any such karmic pursuits as

> repayment of karmic bond. In layman's language, if native got to

> pick up someone from railway station - he must do as his karmic

> obligation whole heartedly, else the frustrations will affect the

> happiness. 12th house is bandhan to lagna too (along with 2nd

> house) - ofcourse functions varies for both the bandhans; Another

> example - assume native is dumped by close relative, he must be

> guided to feel such suffering as part of repayment of some past

life

> karma. and such feelings / approach at subconscious level will help

> native in unlocking such bondages (in a way, in layman's terms it

is

> best remedy for ketu in 12th and sufferings therefrom)and even

> blessing with highest order of materialistic pleasures (ofcourse

> with least attachment). Native need to use ketu as catalyst (by

> adhering to its traits).

> >

> > Many may not agree with the above analogy and the examples quoted

> are not with any specific chart in reference. Just use them as

> pointer. Ofcourse, the association of other planets / rashi etc

will

> have say in final shaping up of events.

> >

> > I refer to another chart - scorpio lagna mars / ketu in 12th

> bhava - moon in lagna, venus / saturn in 5th house, sun/budha in

> 4th, guru in 9th ; I observed native having this trait and had

> excellent ketu mahadasha.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

> >

> > >

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:16:00 -0000

> > >

> > > Re: EXPRESSING THOUGHTS

> > >

> > > Shri Prafullji,

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for taking in right spirit and relieving me of any

> > > offense,not meant.

> > >

> > > The Kings who hunt animals, I do not personally approve of their

> > > actions, but then this must be in accordance with their

Kshatriya

> > > Dharma like You said, just like we dont approve or copy actions

> of

> > > shudras cleaning drainages etc. but this is in accordance with

> their

> > > lne of duty, so okay with them, they are right, we are supposed

> to

> > > say.

> > > If the natives chart indicates moksha ? 12 th from Karakamsha

> lagna

> > > having Ketu in Navamsha. indicates Moksha ? I have this in my

> > > horoscope,(Eluru birth horoscope ?) and most of my family

members

> > > have this combination. But not sure because I have not been

> living

> > > any life which indicates to such result. On the contrary

> sufferings I

> > > have seen many and still suffering . Still if any persons chart

> > > suggest this, I feel he is also human, and must be under the

> > > influence of karmic rinbandhans to undergo (Sufferings or

> enjoyment

> > > whatever in store),and when the Dasha of suffering comes, proper

> > > remedial measures done with shraddha vishwas should

> defnitely,reduce

> > > the pain, and should certainly be suggested. Also if chart

> indicates

> > > Moksha. guiding too should be there to the native, so that he

can

> > > work towards that path, and when the ultimate time comes it

will

> then

> > > embrace him with welcoming arms.

> > >

> > > I have read a wonderful book Aghora (3 Parts) by foreign author

> > > Robert E. Svaboda, which explains the concept of Karma. This

> > > book relates his experiences with his Aghori Guru Swami

> Vimlananda.

> > > I request you to please read this, its really, superb, no doubt.

> > > Do not think he is foreign author so should not read, I feel he

> is

> > > Indian reborn on foreign soil.Other books also written by him,

> > > on Saturn, Light of Life concerning Jyotish also make good

> reading.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Bhaskar ji

> > >>

> > >> Interesting.

> > >>

> > >> Let me clarify again..I am not being argumentative (yes,

bhaskar

> > > ji - you are right) and learning a lot from this thread.

> > >>

> > >> Yes, I while quoting Sage Paramhansa, did hint the same.

> Perhaps,

> > > some curse has to be experienced (not remedied). Exactly, is the

> > > remdial measure only answer by astrologer to the native? May be

> the

> > > sufferings, are part of karmic purifications and only yogis

(who

> can

> > > look beyond the chart) can say about its intensity. I did

> mention the

> > > hint in one of the thread mail.

> > >>

> > >> Yes, Lord Rama was following his dharma. But apart from this

> deer

> > > incident, many great kings (Dashrath, Bharat, Bhishma etc)

used

> to

> > > go for hunting (perhaps kshatriya dharma)? Many of the Jain

> > > tirthankars (all were chakravati smaratas and were Rajput by

> origin)

> > > got moksha in next birth (after undergoing karmic sufferings

for

> some

> > > karma in that birth).

> > >>

> > >> So another interesting point, which emerges - if the native's

> chart

> > > indicates of moksha. if yes then, should he be suggested

remedial

> > > measures or be guided for this.

> > >>

> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>

> > >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> > >>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:32:39 -0000

> > >>>

> > >>> EXPRESSING THOUGHTS

> > >>>

> > >>> Dear Friends,

> > >>>

> > >>> Certain thoughts crossed my mind,when I read certain

> references in

> > >>> posts, to the

> > >>> following, few days back, and wanted to express them.

> > >>>

> > >>> 1)Shri RamKrishna Paramhansa having throat problems but not

> able

> > > to

> > >>> cure it-

> > >>> Actually He had total power in his hands to alleviate his

> > >>> own sufferings and others too. This problem he had taken

> from

> > >>> someone else

> > >>> on own to provide the other person, relief. (Like Jesus

> Christ

> > > who

> > >>> too had this power)

> > >>> Some bad effects of karmas can be cleared by remedies,

> while

> > >>> other bad effects of

> > >>> more Dridha karmas, have to be borne or suffered.. In that

> > > case

> > >>> if You happen to meet

> > >>> a evolved yogic soul , he can transfer this suffering to

> your

> > > next

> > >>> janam, or take this suffering

> > >>> on own to relieve You, but cannot totally erase it.Suppose

> we

> > >>> assume that this suffering was

> > >>> Shri Ramkrishnas own, then also he would not have

> transferred

> > > it

> > >>> later ,because he knew

> > >>> that ultimately it has to be borne so why not now? And

> > > probably it

> > >>> was his last physical stay

> > >>> at earth . We also find instances of such Karmas and

> > > sufferrings

> > >>> (ref-Autobiography of

> > >>> a Yogi,where Shri Babaji brandished a hot iron band on a

> > > disciples

> > >>> back.........)

> > >>>

> > >>> 2) Shri Rama killing a animal (Deer)-

> > >>> Shri Rama being a incarnation knew what was going to

happen

> > > and

> > >>> when. This role

> > >>> of human incarnation was played for us future generations

> to

> > >>> teach us how to live

> > >>> in all forms of relations (as Father,Brother,son ,King

> etc.)

> > > and

> > >>> also certain Karmic

> > >>> influences (Shri Bhriguji kicking chest of Lord V......,

> Jay

> > >>> Vijay dvarpals .etc.)

> > >>> Playing the role as Maryada Purshottam, there was no way he

> > > could

> > >>> have killed a harmless

> > >>> deer. He knew who the Deer was (mareech playing role of

> evil,

> > > and

> > >>> serving Ravana,

> > >>> also Mareech however evil he was, when Ravan told him to

> take

> > > the

> > >>> form of Deer and

> > >>> entice Sitaji, wife of Shri Rama, Mareech immediately

came

> to

> > >>> right senses and implored

> > >>> Ravan not to make him do this work as he knew who Rama

was

> and

> > >>> knew that this could be a dangerous mission where there was no

> > > chance

> > >>> of safety except being killed at arrow by Shri Ram.

> > >>> But Ravana being adamant as he was said Do this or I will kill

> > > You.

> > >>> Mareecha preferred to

> > >>> get killed by Shri Rama.) When he took the form of Deer Shri

> Rama

> > >>> knew he was not killing a Deer, he knew he was killing

> Mareecha,

> > > he

> > >>> knew he had to deliver Mareecha as his time had come. And this

> > > whole

> > >>> act

> > >>> was played just to let us know what happens if You run after

> > >>> attractions, illusions.golden deer....

> > >>> can a golden deer be possible........? This is a allegory to

> > > teach us

> > >>> humans, not to get tempted by

> > >>> illusions,when Sitaji got attracted by the Golden deer what

> > > followed

> > >>> is history. So Rama was

> > >>> not killing a Deer, but evil. ie,personification of good over

> > > evil.

> > >>> The above references were made by a kind friend whom I know

> to be

> > >>> pure and innocent.,

> > >>> So dear Friend please. dont take otherwise. Just exchange of

> > >>> thoughts nothing else.I know You did not mean to be

irreligious

> > >>> or unnecessarily argumentive.

> > >>>

> > >>> Among other references made by one follower of Dutta, (by the

> > > way he

> > >>> is first Guru of all of us,in Hinduism)

> > >>> 3) Ravana touching Sitaji (holding her hands when

kidnapping..)

> > >>> Please note that Sitaji was no chui mui (ordinary) , that just

> > > anyone

> > >>> evil could touch her. She is

> > >>> not known as Jagadjanni just for nought. She had the power to

> > >>> create/destroy anything she wanted.

> > >>> Anyone who can grant ashtsiddhis to anyone is not ordinary.

> (Asht

> > >>> sidhi nau nidhi ke daata, as var

> > >>> deen Janaki Mata) .But the roles had to be played for which

> they

> > > had

> > >>> taken human form over earth.

> > >>> She was not the real Sita Ravan took, but shadow form of Sita.

> > > (Like

> > >>> Chaaya with refence to second

> > >>> wife of The Sun). Because before entering this part of the Van

> > >>> (Forest) Shri Ramchandraji had spoken

> > >>> and already temporarily parted ways with the real Sita. Now

few

> > > may

> > >>> argue, if He knew that this was not real Sita, why did he

> lament

> > > or

> > >>> fight war etc.? There is no end to arguments or asking Why ?

> > >>>

> > >>> Do not ask for authentic proof for what is written above. I

> cannot

> > >>> provide that. Its just a belief,or I must say personal belief

> and

> > >>> what we hear over the years we grow up and read at different

> > > places

> > >>> in the process of

> > >>> growing up. i would always like to believe it this way as it

> > > suits

> > >>> me.

> > >>>

> > >>> Regards,

> > >>> Bhaskar.

> > >>

> >

>

July 25, 2006

dEAR rrJI HOW ABT BORTH DEAILS and a/s/l of the perosn and prof or whatever has made the nativ spl. u can surely avoid names address etc.

may be use a supposed name also as reader disgest or journals do. not real name....

for us to grasp the the points

crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Sushma/Pranav,