RE: Why shirt forbidden for gents in south indian temples?

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Dear Members,

 

Let me present this with a different perspective. My assumption is that

long ago, the usual dress for males was two pieces of cloth - one to

cover the chest region and the other used like a dhoti. This is when

even stitched clothes were not worn in general. Over time as the human

race advanced, stitched clothes came into existance and became

fashionable too. As people were adopting this change, the only place it

was discouraged was some religious places. It is not surprising to

imagine that the people in religious places did not want to give up

tradition.

 

Though two pieces of cloth wre used, the top one is so cumbersome to

use while someone is doing something using their hands. Hence while

they were busy, people used to remove the tope piece and were tying it

to their waist and work bear chested. This bacame a normal practice.

 

As time progressed, the dress code in the other walks of life kept on

changing but not in some religious places. In the current times, asking

males to visit the temple bare chested is just to simulate the dress

code practiced in temples and at the same time not to make it too

impractical (asking everyone to come with a dhoti and asking people not

to enter with trousers). I would imagine this is a compromise between

what is tradition and what is practical.

 

Though I don't have any supporting literature, this appears logical to

me.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

 

> Dear Members

>

> In Jainism (the sect, I follow) - male need not be bare chest, but

> their nose / mouth must be covered. The pooja cloth must not be

> stitched (even used to cover chest / nose / mouth). yes it is also

> true that, it is not followed strictly by people these days.

>

> Even the pooja cloth used in Haj, must not be stitched one.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> In order to live free and happily you must sacrifice boredom. It is

> not always an easy sacrifice.

>

>

> >

> > panditarjun2004

> > Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:15:58 -0000

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Why shirt forbidden for gents in

> south

> > indian temples?

> >

> > dear friend

> >

> > i know the scientific reasoning for all the items you mentioned

> > which are used. i also know the scientific reasoning for wearing a

> > dhoti and the way it is folded and tied. but i do not know any

> > reason for bare chest visit only for men, be it as a doctrine of

> > classics or some scientific reasoning. all i know is that it is a

> > transformed dress code which is not a rule or tradition either.

> >

> > since you are not convinced with my explanation, may anandji or

> > other more learnt people give the scientific explanation or deeper

> > meaning for this bare chest visit by men.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Shailaja" <m_shailaja

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Respected Anandji,

> >>

> >> You are right. That explaination still does not answer the

> > question

> >> WHY?

> >>

> >> I saw my uncles doing Pooja ceremoney after taking bath and

> > wearing

> >> wet cloth, bare chested. They are also not aware of the reason.

> > For

> >> them this is a custom.

> >>

> >> Use of drums and bells, Flower, Chandana, Tulsi, Honey, Milk,

> >> Camphor, idol, Mango leaf during pooja, Touching elders feet for

> >> blessings, Havan, Holy river water for drinking and bath (Silica

> > in

> >> such water cures lots of diseases), Ornaments.... each and every

> >> such thing holds scientific reason. How beautifully and smartly

> > our

> >> ancestors brought these things into our life.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> Shailaja

> >>

> >> vedic astrology, Anand <anand.ghurye@>

> >> wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Dear Arjunji and others ,

> >>>

> >>> With all respect , this still does not answer the question why ?

> >>>

> >>> In earlier days women also used to do Pranayama et al , stil

> > they

> >> would cover their whole body .

> >>>

> >>> Something deeper may be there to this practice is what my guess

> >> is .

> >>>

> >>> For example , why does Saraswati is shown carrying a Veena ?

> >>>

> >>> Regards ,

> >>>

> >>> Anand

> >>>

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> >>> panditarjun2004

> >>> vedic astrology

> >>> Friday, July 21, 2006 11:04 AM

> >>> [vedic astrology] Re: Why shirt forbidden for gents

> > in

> >> south indian temples?

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> dear friends

> >>>

> >>> the wearing of white colour dhoti by men has been the

> > dresscode

> >> for

> >>> all spiritual persons and even the grihasthas while

> >> participating in

> >>> religious or spiritual exercies, they used to wear only a

> > dhoti.

> >>> lord shri vishnu was referred as pitambardhari. other than

> > dhoti

> >>> they used to wear an angavasthram in normal and they used to

> > tie

> >> the

> >>> same at the waist portion during religious poojas and

> > spiritual

> >>> yogas. so, instead of following this dhoti and angavasthram

> >>> dresscode, modern people have loosely transformed it to into

> >> bare

> >>> chest dress code with their pants and pyjamas on which is not

> > as

> >> per

> >>> tradition.

> >>>

> >>> the same white dhoti dress code was followed by the priests in

> >> the

> >>> greek religions which is well documented in history books.

> >>>

> >>> even the roman priests used to wear white dhoti which find

> >> mention

> >>> in various books.

> >>>

> >>> jesus was also wearing white dhoti only but was ignored for

> >>> following by his followers.

> >>>

> >>> even today all spiritually elevated muslims who undertake haj

> >> yatra

> >>> invariably wear only a white dhoti with bare chest.

> >>>

> >>> all tv cheannels show every day how yoga guru ramdevji teaches

> >> yoga

> >>> exercises and pranayama with dhoti and bare chest.

> >>>

> >>> other than tradition, the logical rational reasoning is that

> > all

> >>> these spiritual people used to do pranayama, yoga and

> > meditation

> >> in

> >>> which a simple dhoti would be comfortable and ideal.

> >>>

> >>> with best wishes and blessings

> >>> pandit arjun

> >>> vedic astrology, "Haresh \(Harry\)

> >> Nathani"

> >>> <haresh1405@> wrote:

> >>> >

> >>> > Dear Shailaja

> >>> >

> >>> > It is a tradition & custom as per the scriptures that men

> > when

> >>> they go for darshan in front of a diety should be bare

> > chested,

> >> with

> >>> only dhoti & shawl. Majority of the south indians temples

> > follow

> >> the

> >>> same. That is the correct way of taking darshan of the deities

> >>> installed at various temples.

> >>> >

> >>> > Harry

> >>> >

> >>> > Shailaja <m_shailaja@> wrote:

> >>> > Learned Members,

> >>> >

> >>> > Recently I visited few temples in South India. It is

> > forbidden

> >> for

> >>> > gents to wear any shirt or baniyan (above the waist) when

> > they

> >>> enter

> >>> > the temple. Is there any reason for this? I forced my

> > husband

> >> to

> >>> > follow the rule but I couldn't answer WHY?

> >>> >

>

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Dear

 

 

 

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

All over the world various religions, sects, rituals have some or other traditions.

With the lapse of time some rituals do loose their utility, but no body dare to change or even allowed to raise their voice against some totally out dated practises. In some religions this may amount to blasphemy.

Have heart things will change.

G.K.GOEL

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Members

 

In Jainism (the sect, I follow) - male need not be bare chest, but their nose / mouth must be covered. The pooja cloth must not be stitched (even used to cover chest / nose / mouth). yes it is also true that, it is not followed strictly by people these days.

 

Even the pooja cloth used in Haj, must not be stitched one.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

In order to live free and happily you must sacrifice boredom. It is not always an easy sacrifice.

 

>

> panditarjun2004

> Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:15:58 -0000

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Why shirt forbidden for gents in south

> indian temples?

>

> dear friend

>

> i know the scientific reasoning for all the items you mentioned

> which are used. i also know the scientific reasoning for wearing a

> dhoti and the way it is folded and tied. but i do not know any

> reason for bare chest visit only for men, be it as a doctrine of

> classics or some scientific reasoning. all i know is that it is a

> transformed dress code which is not a rule or tradition either.

>

> since you are not convinced with my explanation, may anandji or

> other more learnt people give the scientific explanation or deeper

> meaning for this bare chest visit by men.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "Shailaja" <m_shailaja

> wrote:

>>

>> Respected Anandji,

>>

>> You are right. That explaination still does not answer the

> question

>> WHY?

>>

>> I saw my uncles doing Pooja ceremoney after taking bath and

> wearing

>> wet cloth, bare chested. They are also not aware of the reason.

> For

>> them this is a custom.

>>

>> Use of drums and bells, Flower, Chandana, Tulsi, Honey, Milk,

>> Camphor, idol, Mango leaf during pooja, Touching elders feet for

>> blessings, Havan, Holy river water for drinking and bath (Silica

> in

>> such water cures lots of diseases), Ornaments.... each and every

>> such thing holds scientific reason. How beautifully and smartly

> our

>> ancestors brought these things into our life.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Shailaja

>>

>> vedic astrology, Anand <anand.ghurye@>

>> wrote:

>>>

>>> Dear Arjunji and others ,

>>>

>>> With all respect , this still does not answer the question why ?

>>>

>>> In earlier days women also used to do Pranayama et al , stil

> they

>> would cover their whole body .

>>>

>>> Something deeper may be there to this practice is what my guess

>> is .

>>>

>>> For example , why does Saraswati is shown carrying a Veena ?

>>>

>>> Regards ,

>>>

>>> Anand

>>>

>>> A. K. Ghurye

>>> Mobile : 9820 489 416 Phone : 2685 5496 email : hmm_aha@

>>>

>>> -------------------------

> --

>> ---------

>>> --------------------------------

>>> § Training § Development § Relationships

>>>

>>> email : hmm_aha@

>>> growthanddevelopment

>>>

>>> Saturdaybusinessclub

>>>

>>> http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Ghurye1.html

>>>

>>>

>>> -------------------------

> --

>> ---------

>>> --------------------------------

>>> -

>>> panditarjun2004

>>> vedic astrology

>>> Friday, July 21, 2006 11:04 AM

>>> [vedic astrology] Re: Why shirt forbidden for gents

> in

>> south indian temples?

>>>

>>>

>>> dear friends

>>>

>>> the wearing of white colour dhoti by men has been the

> dresscode

>> for

>>> all spiritual persons and even the grihasthas while

>> participating in

>>> religious or spiritual exercies, they used to wear only a

> dhoti.

>>> lord shri vishnu was referred as pitambardhari. other than

> dhoti

>>> they used to wear an angavasthram in normal and they used to

> tie

>> the

>>> same at the waist portion during religious poojas and

> spiritual

>>> yogas. so, instead of following this dhoti and angavasthram

>>> dresscode, modern people have loosely transformed it to into

>> bare

>>> chest dress code with their pants and pyjamas on which is not

> as

>> per

>>> tradition.

>>>

>>> the same white dhoti dress code was followed by the priests in

>> the

>>> greek religions which is well documented in history books.

>>>

>>> even the roman priests used to wear white dhoti which find

>> mention

>>> in various books.

>>>

>>> jesus was also wearing white dhoti only but was ignored for

>>> following by his followers.

>>>

>>> even today all spiritually elevated muslims who undertake haj

>> yatra

>>> invariably wear only a white dhoti with bare chest.

>>>

>>> all tv cheannels show every day how yoga guru ramdevji teaches

>> yoga

>>> exercises and pranayama with dhoti and bare chest.

>>>

>>> other than tradition, the logical rational reasoning is that

> all

>>> these spiritual people used to do pranayama, yoga and

> meditation

>> in

>>> which a simple dhoti would be comfortable and ideal.

>>>

>>> with best wishes and blessings

>>> pandit arjun

>>> vedic astrology, "Haresh \(Harry\)

>> Nathani"

>>> <haresh1405@> wrote:

>>> >

>>> > Dear Shailaja

>>> >

>>> > It is a tradition & custom as per the scriptures that men

> when

>>> they go for darshan in front of a diety should be bare

> chested,

>> with

>>> only dhoti & shawl. Majority of the south indians temples

> follow

>> the

>>> same. That is the correct way of taking darshan of the deities

>>> installed at various temples.

>>> >

>>> > Harry

>>> >

>>> > Shailaja <m_shailaja@> wrote:

>>> > Learned Members,

>>> >

>>> > Recently I visited few temples in South India. It is

> forbidden

>> for

>>> > gents to wear any shirt or baniyan (above the waist) when

> they

>>> enter

>>> > the temple. Is there any reason for this? I forced my

> husband

>> to

>>> > follow the rule but I couldn't answer WHY?

>>> >

>>> > Anybody can clear my doubt. Please.

>>> >

>>> > Thanks &

>>> > Regards,

>>> > Shailaja

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

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