remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Prafulla,

If u read Atharva Veda, you will find the "seeds" of Tantra, black

magic are sown in that Veda.....coz there are Vedic Mantras related

in that Veda, both for good & evil purpose.

Wut i think is that, the tantra cult grew, from when people started

ignoring Bengal. As about tantra, it is a stated,"Goure prakaashita

vidya"...meaning that the Knowledge(Vidya, here meaning Tantra)

appeared in Gour(A district in Bengal,has much of religious &

historical importance, rather it was today's kolkata).

Even upapuranas, like kalikapurana, has some details, which are

meant for Tantrik Purposes..

Wish u all success,

With Humbleness,

 

 

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Prafulla,

> I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r offshoots

of vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil design

or black magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote: Dear Shri

Kumar ji

>

> I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped in

popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch the rise

of tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have very

intense reference to tantras and their monks are trained in tantras

(do not mix with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

>

> Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>

> >

> > gbp_kumar

> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/27 -2

> >

> > Prafulla,

> > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not bbeong

done or

> > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or child

or huam so

> > the rest of the points don't count. there was excessive balis

then

> > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if there was

no rain or

> > some for monetry reasons.

> >

> >

> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> > Dear Ranjan ji

> >

> > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of Jainism,

Budhism,

> > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific religion,

then why

> > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

something which is

> > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, religion etc).

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and

we star in

> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >

> > >

> > > jyotish_vani

> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

> > >

> > > Re: remedies [communication...]

> > >

> > > Dear Srinivas,

> > >

> > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with more

food for

> > > thought.

> > >

> > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry dear

tolerant

> > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-religious/non-

ritual type

> > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to notice

the strength

> > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive mother to

do her

> > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father scientist

manager

> > > father always being interested in intellectual scriptures

such as

> > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively tuning

into that

> > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core scientist and

one of the

> > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, europe

trained and all

> > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall next to

his bed for

> > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and Ramakrishna in

the next

> > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man always

pooh-poohed

> > > my interest in astrology and occult but never really

stopped me

> > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful at a few

things in

> > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was a

moment when I

> > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology miscellany

quizzes in

> > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed it to

him. He

> > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! One of

his favourite

> > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

> > >

> > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately most

of us do not

> > > come to terms with that.

> > >

> > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

> > >

> > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has much

more power

> > > than religion or religiousness because it is FLEXIBLE, it

respects

> > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through each

and every

> > > activity that we associate with life!

> > >

> > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the fullest

expression of

> > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully enjoying

those, never

> > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , srinivasa murthy

adavi

> > > <smadavi@> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Sir

> > >> A few more words-

> > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

cosmological

> > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God reveals

himself in

> > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

> > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva

along with

> > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and others

like Shirdi

> > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet

Mohammed etc all

> > > are his manifestations with varying methods for bringing

in the

> > > cosmological harmony.

> > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by

selfish

> > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false

sympathy and

> > > despicable justification of their desires(more personal or

for a

> > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

> > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people

(some) are

> > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are

not

> > bothering

> > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question

is the

> > > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and

freedom of

> > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8

women and gave

> > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth was

never

> > > supressed and it was told telling the world the importance

of

> > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of TheDivine

even

> > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as truth

that jesus was

> > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in the

name of

> > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the truth.Some

day we

> > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on which

we're

> > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish desires these

> > > individuals are resorting to undermining of religious

tenets.We'll

> > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without

warning.So please

> > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of expression

media

> > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

boundaries.

> > >>

> > >> regards

> > >>

> > >> srinivas

> > >>

> > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >> Sri,

> > >>

> > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your message but

when

> > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a

Kind and

> > > Wise

> > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests

(actually

> > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

> > >>

> > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all

religions

> > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they

still be here?

> > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been

> > > associated

> > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another.

> > >>

> > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some

difficulty!

> > >>

> > >> RR

> > >>

> > >> , srinivasa murthy

adavi

> > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>> Dear Members,

> > >>>

> > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon

> > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

> > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular

mantra(when

> > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on

saatwik

> > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or

Other Revered

> > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed

mantra is the

> > > apt

> > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a

proper person

> > > at

> > >> proper time to another right individual such that the

native gets

> > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to

withstand

> > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him

loose his

> > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work

spot if we

> > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve

himself

> > > (if

> > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct

us to

> > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised

one).

> > >>>

> > >>> regards

> > >>>

> > >>> srinivas

> > >>>

> > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

> > >>>

> > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick

remedy

> > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

> > >>>

> > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars,

> > > rahu/ketu

> > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi

suggest

> > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if

the native

> > > is

> > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja;

then

> > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

> > >>>

> > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must

also be

> > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can

be remedied

> > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which

dasha

> > >> bhukti etc)...

> > >>>

> > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers)

require

> > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the

people

> > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well.

and if does

> > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse

for the

> > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of

surya naman

> > > (

> > >> and can not be performed under certain circumstances),

offering

> > > water

> > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not

think,

> > > the

> > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to help

without

> > >> adhering to rituals.

> > >>>

> > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know,

if the

> > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more?

> > >>>

> > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>

> > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

and we

> > > star

> > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > >>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Re: remedies

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Dear members,

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya

Vidya

> > >> mandir, a

> > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us

students

> > > a

> > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without

> > > knowledge,

> > >> its

> > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this

statement

> > >>>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or

news

> > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is

suggested. Also

> > > it

> > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he

suggests so

> > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For

eg.for

> > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja

of

> > >> Lakshmi,

> > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may

be one,

> > > but

> > >> the

> > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa,

tamas or

> > >> rajas.

> > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at

times

> > > stones

> > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine

couloured rays

> > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified

state),also

> > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly.

> > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord,

some for

> > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the

stone at

> > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also

which

> > > would

> > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra

> > > native.Will

> > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only

experience from

> > >> the

> > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of

mantras,

> > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of

ancient

> > >> times

> > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite the

mantra in

> > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same mantra

wrongly,

> > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had

the power

> > > to

> > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what

about us

> > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but

the point

> > > is,

> > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> regards,

> > >>>> Bhaskar.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>> , Prafulla Gang

> > > <jyotish@>

> > >>>> wrote:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Dear Members

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do

not

> > > misread

> > >> me.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc

in a

> > > chart

> > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his

experience).

> > >> Native

> > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy (may be

> > > alternative

> > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or

unknowlingly

> > > (for

> > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for

rahu /

> > > ketu;

> > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it

as remedy

> > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of

> > > remedies,

> > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily routine

etc.

> > >> Should

> > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically -

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse /

affliction

> > >> related

> > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective

planetary

> > >> ages

> > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be

fully

> > > done

> > >> or

> > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of

suggesting

> > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around

mantras.

> > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line

with

> > >> native's

> > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve

lots of

> > >> rituals

> > >>>> for effective rituals.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its

need is

> > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually

by

> > > fellow

> > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list

astrologers) and

> > >> to a

> > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting into

> > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

it, and we

> > >> star

> > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > >>>>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

[Guest guest]

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Prafullaji,

I have seen ur comments....

As far as the rmedial aspect is concerned, I have no information

wheter wearing red coral or Propitiating Mars, works or not...Rather

i give stress on good match making , like countering the Mars dosha,

that is getting married to another who has Mars dosha...or check

that whether there is cancellation or not...

Thanq,

With Humbleness,

Wish u all success,

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Gaurav ji

>

> BTW, I liked your analogy on manglik dosha (infact, I posted my

comment on your blog too).

>

> What are your experiences on remedial measures?

>

> Re tantra in Jainism / Buddhism - these are not black magic, and

monks are systematically trained in it. I fail to understand the

necessity of tantra - when both religion do not believe in the

existence of God. Nirvana is the ultimate aim of the soul and both

relies only on karmic phals of self for self. (even both do not

prescribe any ritual for pitras etc).

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>

>

> >

> > gg_0202

> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:36:58 -0000

> >

> > Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

> >

> > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > Dear Prafulla,

> > If u read Atharva Veda, you will find the "seeds" of Tantra,

black

> > magic are sown in that Veda.....coz there are Vedic Mantras

related

> > in that Veda, both for good & evil purpose.

> > Wut i think is that, the tantra cult grew, from when people

started

> > ignoring Bengal. As about tantra, it is a stated,"Goure

prakaashita

> > vidya"...meaning that the Knowledge(Vidya, here meaning Tantra)

> > appeared in Gour(A district in Bengal,has much of religious &

> > historical importance, rather it was today's kolkata).

> > Even upapuranas, like kalikapurana, has some details, which are

> > meant for Tantrik Purposes..

> > Wish u all success,

> > With Humbleness,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Prafulla,

> >> I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r offshoots

> > of vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil

design

> > or black magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

> >>

> >> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote: Dear Shri

> > Kumar ji

> >>

> >> I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped in

> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch the

rise

> > of tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have

very

> > intense reference to tantras and their monks are trained in

tantras

> > (do not mix with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

> >>

> >> Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

> > star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>

> >> >

> >> > gbp_kumar@

> >> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

> >> >

> >> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/27 -2

> >> >

> >> > Prafulla,

> >> > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not

bbeong

> > done or

> >> > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or child

> > or huam so

> >> > the rest of the points don't count. there was excessive

balis

> > then

> >> > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if there

was

> > no rain or

> >> > some for monetry reasons.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >> > Dear Ranjan ji

> >> >

> >> > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of Jainism,

> > Budhism,

> >> > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific religion,

> > then why

> >> > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

> > something which is

> >> > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, religion

etc).

> >> >

> >> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >> >

> >> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

and

> > we star in

> >> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >> >

> >> > >

> >> > > jyotish_vani@

> >> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

> >> > >

> >> > > Re: remedies [communication...]

> >> > >

> >> > > Dear Srinivas,

> >> > >

> >> > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with more

> > food for

> >> > > thought.

> >> > >

> >> > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry dear

> > tolerant

> >> > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-religious/non-

> > ritual type

> >> > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to notice

> > the strength

> >> > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive mother to

> > do her

> >> > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father scientist

> > manager

> >> > > father always being interested in intellectual

scriptures

> > such as

> >> > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively tuning

> > into that

> >> > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core scientist

and

> > one of the

> >> > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, europe

> > trained and all

> >> > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall next

to

> > his bed for

> >> > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and Ramakrishna in

> > the next

> >> > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man always

> > pooh-poohed

> >> > > my interest in astrology and occult but never really

> > stopped me

> >> > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful at a

few

> > things in

> >> > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was a

> > moment when I

> >> > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

miscellany

> > quizzes in

> >> > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed it to

> > him. He

> >> > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! One of

> > his favourite

> >> > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

> >> > >

> >> > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately most

> > of us do not

> >> > > come to terms with that.

> >> > >

> >> > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

> >> > >

> >> > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has much

> > more power

> >> > > than religion or religiousness because it is FLEXIBLE,

it

> > respects

> >> > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through each

> > and every

> >> > > activity that we associate with life!

> >> > >

> >> > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the fullest

> > expression of

> >> > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully enjoying

> > those, never

> >> > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

> >> > >

> >> > > RR

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > , srinivasa

murthy

> > adavi

> >> > > <smadavi@> wrote:

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Dear Sir

> >> > >> A few more words-

> >> > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

> > cosmological

> >> > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God reveals

> > himself in

> >> > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

> >> > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva

> > along with

> >> > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and

others

> > like Shirdi

> >> > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet

> > Mohammed etc all

> >> > > are his manifestations with varying methods for

bringing

> > in the

> >> > > cosmological harmony.

> >> > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by

> > selfish

> >> > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false

> > sympathy and

> >> > > despicable justification of their desires(more personal

or

> > for a

> >> > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

> >> > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people

> > (some) are

> >> > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are

> > not

> >> > bothering

> >> > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question

> > is the

> >> > > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and

> > freedom of

> >> > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8

> > women and gave

> >> > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth

was

> > never

> >> > > supressed and it was told telling the world the

importance

> > of

> >> > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of

TheDivine

> > even

> >> > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as truth

> > that jesus was

> >> > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in the

> > name of

> >> > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the truth.Some

> > day we

> >> > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on

which

> > we're

> >> > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish desires

these

> >> > > individuals are resorting to undermining of religious

> > tenets.We'll

> >> > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without

> > warning.So please

> >> > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of

expression

> > media

> >> > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

> > boundaries.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> regards

> >> > >>

> >> > >> srinivas

> >> > >>

> >> > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >> > >> Sri,

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your message

but

> > when

> >> > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a

> > Kind and

> >> > > Wise

> >> > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests

> > (actually

> >> > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

> >> > >>

> >> > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood

all

> > religions

> >> > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they

> > still be here?

> >> > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has

been

> >> > > associated

> >> > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some

> > difficulty!

> >> > >>

> >> > >> RR

> >> > >>

> >> > >> , srinivasa

murthy

> > adavi

> >> > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> Dear Members,

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on the

sermon

> >> > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

> >> > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular

> > mantra(when

> >> > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based

on

> > saatwik

> >> > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or

> > Other Revered

> >> > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed

> > mantra is the

> >> > > apt

> >> > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a

> > proper person

> >> > > at

> >> > >> proper time to another right individual such that the

> > native gets

> >> > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude

to

> > withstand

> >> > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him

> > loose his

> >> > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work

> > spot if we

> >> > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will

solve

> > himself

> >> > > (if

> >> > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will

direct

> > us to

> >> > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised

> > one).

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> regards

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> srinivas

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >> > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The

quick

> > remedy

> >> > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani,

mars,

> >> > > rahu/ketu

> >> > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example -

jyotishi

> > suggest

> >> > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if

> > the native

> >> > > is

> >> > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja;

> > then

> >> > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it

must

> > also be

> >> > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can

> > be remedied

> >> > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say

which

> > dasha

> >> > >> bhukti etc)...

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers)

> > require

> >> > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the

> > people

> >> > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well.

> > and if does

> >> > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse

> > for the

> >> > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of

> > surya naman

> >> > > (

> >> > >> and can not be performed under certain circumstances),

> > offering

> >> > > water

> >> > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do

not

> > think,

> >> > > the

> >> > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to help

> > without

> >> > >> adhering to rituals.

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we

know,

> > if the

> >> > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required any

more?

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

it,

> > and we

> >> > > star

> >> > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>>>

> >> > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >> > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

> >> > >>>>

> >> > >>>> Re: remedies

> >> > >>>>

> >> > >>>> Dear members,

> >> > >>>>

> >> > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya

> > Vidya

> >> > >> mandir, a

> >> > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told

us

> > students

> >> > > a

> >> > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

remedies,without

> >> > > knowledge,

> >> > >> its

> >> > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this

> > statement

> >> > >>>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming

or

> > news

> >> > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is

> > suggested. Also

> >> > > it

> >> > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he

> > suggests so

> >> > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For

> > eg.for

> >> > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do

pooja

> > of

> >> > >> Lakshmi,

> >> > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may

> > be one,

> >> > > but

> >> > >> the

> >> > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa,

> > tamas or

> >> > >> rajas.

> >> > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at

> > times

> >> > > stones

> >> > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine

> > couloured rays

> >> > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified

> > state),also

> >> > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested

wrongly.

> >> > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord,

> > some for

> >> > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting

the

> > stone at

> >> > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also

> > which

> >> > > would

> >> > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra

> >> > > native.Will

> >> > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only

> > experience from

> >> > >> the

> >> > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of

> > mantras,

> >> > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of

> > ancient

> >> > >> times

> >> > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite the

> > mantra in

> >> > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same

mantra

> > wrongly,

> >> > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had

> > the power

> >> > > to

> >> > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but

what

> > about us

> >> > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but

> > the point

> >> > > is,

> >> > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies.

> >> > >>>>

> >> > >>>> regards,

> >> > >>>> Bhaskar.

> >> > >>>>

> >> > >>>>

> >> > >>>>

> >> > >>>> , Prafulla

Gang

> >> > > <jyotish@>

> >> > >>>> wrote:

> >> > >>>>>

> >> > >>>>> Dear Members

> >> > >>>>>

> >> > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do

> > not

> >> > > misread

> >> > >> me.

> >> > >>>>>

> >> > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses

etc

> > in a

> >> > > chart

> >> > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his

> > experience).

> >> > >> Native

> >> > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy (may

be

> >> > > alternative

> >> > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or

> > unknowlingly

> >> > > (for

> >> > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for

> > rahu /

> >> > > ketu;

> >> > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking

it

> > as remedy

> >> > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation

of

> >> > > remedies,

> >> > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily

routine

> > etc.

> >> > >> Should

> >> > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically -

> >> > >>>>>

> >> > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse /

> > affliction

> >> > >> related

> >> > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

> >> > >>>>>

> >> > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective

> > planetary

> >> > >> ages

> >> > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be

> > fully

> >> > > done

> >> > >> or

> >> > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like.

> >> > >>>>>

> >> > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of

> > suggesting

> >> > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around

> > mantras.

> >> > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in

line

> > with

> >> > >> native's

> >> > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve

> > lots of

> >> > >> rituals

> >> > >>>> for effective rituals.

> >> > >>>>>

> >> > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of

its

> > need is

> >> > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so

casually

> > by

> >> > > fellow

> >> > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list

> > astrologers) and

> >> > >> to a

> >> > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting

into

> >> > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

> >> > >>>>>

> >> > >>>>>

> >> > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >> > >>>>>

> >> > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

> > it, and we

> >> > >> star

> >> > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >> > >>>>>

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

protection

> > around

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>>

> >> > >>>

[Guest guest]

Prafulla

i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM between Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for diff planets

for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac diorders.

Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help for many remedies. according to the tabulation

some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on respirotary disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother religious works for other religions they must make it know so that it is prescribed, right now we can go on what is available.

on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them so did not cover it it is just like u try different medicine systems to get a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it

I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too who follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do try whole heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as breathing.

I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know muslims who consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was a thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a look in archives.

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Shri Kumar ji

I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me):

a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for the remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

b. Remedial measures help native in building mental strengtht to find realistic solutions

c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, if any.

d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as possible, must not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more authentic remedies

I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the planet. For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit more planned in its approach, making the working environment little organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may tone down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping up with challenges.

regards / Prafulla Gang

Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it.. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>

> gbp_kumar

> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

>

> RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>

> Prafulla,

> I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r offshoots of

> vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil design or black

> magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

> Dear Shri Kumar ji

>

> I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped in

> popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch the rise of

> tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have very intense

> reference to tantras and their monks are trained in tantras (do not mix

> with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

>

> Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in

> it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>

> >

> > gbp_kumar

> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/27 -2

> >

> > Prafulla,

> > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not bbeong done or

> > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or child or huam

> so

> > the rest of the points don't count. there was excessive balis then

> > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if there was no

> rain or

> > some for monetry reasons.

> >

> >

> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

> > Dear Ranjan ji

> >

> > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of Jainism, Budhism,

> > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific religion, then why

> > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting something which

> is

> > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, religion etc).

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star

> in

> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >

> > >

> > > jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

> > >

> > > Re: remedies [communication...]

> > >

> > > Dear Srinivas,

> > >

> > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with more food for

> > > thought.

> > >

> > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry dear tolerant

> > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-religious/non-ritual

> type

> > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to notice the

> strength

> > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive mother to do her

> > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father scientist manager

> > > father always being interested in intellectual scriptures such as

> > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively tuning into

> that

> > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core scientist and one of

> the

> > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, europe trained and

> all

> > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall next to his bed

> for

> > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and Ramakrishna in the next

> > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man always

> pooh-poohed

> > > my interest in astrology and occult but never really stopped me

> > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful at a few things

> in

> > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was a moment when

> I

> > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology miscellany quizzes

> in

> > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed it to him. He

> > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! One of his

> favourite

> > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

> > >

> > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately most of us do

> not

> > > come to terms with that.

> > >

> > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

> > >

> > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has much more power

> > > than religion or religiousness because it is FLEXIBLE, it

> respects

> > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through each and every

> > > activity that we associate with life!

> > >

> > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the fullest

> expression of

> > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully enjoying those,

> never

> > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , srinivasa murthy adavi

> > > <smadavi wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Sir

> > >> A few more words-

> > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever cosmological

> > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God reveals himself

> in

> > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

> > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva along with

> > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and others like

> Shirdi

> > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet Mohammed etc

> all

> > > are his manifestations with varying methods for bringing in the

> > > cosmological harmony.

> > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by selfish

> > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false sympathy and

> > > despicable justification of their desires(more personal or for a

> > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

> > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people(some)

> are

> > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are not

> > bothering

> > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question is the

> > > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and freedom

> of

> > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8 women and

> gave

> > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth was never

> > > supressed and it was told telling the world the importance of

> > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of TheDivine even

> > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as truth that jesus

> was

> > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in the name of

> > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the truth.Some day we

> > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on which we're

> > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish desires these

> > > individuals are resorting to undermining of religious

> tenets.We'll

> > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without warning.So

> please

> > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of expression media

> > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous boundaries.

> > >>

> > >> regards

> > >>

> > >> srinivas

> > >>

> > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

> > >> Sri,

> > >>

> > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your message but when

> > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a Kind and

> > > Wise

> > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests

> (actually

> > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

> > >>

> > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all

> religions

> > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they still be

> here?

> > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been

> > > associated

> > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another.

> > >>

> > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some

> difficulty!

> > >>

> > >> RR

> > >>

> > >> , srinivasa murthy adavi

> > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>> Dear Members,

> > >>>

> > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon

> > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

> > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular mantra(when

> > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on saatwik

> > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or Other

> Revered

> > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed mantra is

> the

> > > apt

> > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a proper

> person

> > > at

> > >> proper time to another right individual such that the native

> gets

> > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to

> withstand

> > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him loose

> his

> > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work spot if we

> > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve himself

> > > (if

> > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct us to

> > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised one).

> > >>>

> > >>> regards

> > >>>

> > >>> srinivas

> > >>>

> > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

> > >>>

> > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick remedy

> > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

> > >>>

> > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars,

> > > rahu/ketu

> > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi

> suggest

> > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the

> native

> > > is

> > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then

> > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

> > >>>

> > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must also

> be

> > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be

> remedied

> > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which dasha

> > >> bhukti etc)...

> > >>>

> > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) require

> > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the people

> > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and if

> does

> > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for the

> > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya

> naman

> > > (

> > >> and can not be performed under certain circumstances), offering

> > > water

> > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not think,

> > > the

> > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to help without

> > >> adhering to rituals.

> > >>>

> > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if the

> > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more?

> > >>>

> > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>

> > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

> > > star

> > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > >>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Re: remedies

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Dear members,

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya

> > >> mandir, a

> > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us

> students

> > > a

> > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without

> > > knowledge,

> > >> its

> > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this

> statement

> > >>>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news

> > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also

> > > it

> > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests

> so

> > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for

> > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of

> > >> Lakshmi,

> > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one,

> > > but

> > >> the

> > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or

> > >> rajas.

> > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times

> > > stones

> > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured

> rays

> > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified

> state),also

> > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly.

> > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for

> > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone

> at

> > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which

> > > would

> > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra

> > > native.Will

> > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience

> from

> > >> the

> > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras,

> > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient

> > >> times

> > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra

> in

> > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same mantra

> wrongly,

> > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the

> power

> > > to

> > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about

> us

> > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point

> > > is,

> > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> regards,

> > >>>> Bhaskar.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>> , Prafulla Gang

> > > <jyotish@>

> > >>>> wrote:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Dear Members

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not

> > > misread

> > >> me.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a

> > > chart

> > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience).

> > >> Native

> > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy (may be

> > > alternative

> > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly

> > > (for

> > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu /

> > > ketu;

> > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as

> remedy

> > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of

> > > remedies,

> > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc.

> > >> Should

> > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically -

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction

> > >> related

> > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary

> > >> ages

> > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully

> > > done

> > >> or

> > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting

> > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras.

> > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with

> > >> native's

> > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of

> > >> rituals

> > >>>> for effective rituals.

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need

> is

> > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by

> > > fellow

> > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers)

> and

> > >> to a

> > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting into

> > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and

> we

> > >> star

> > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > >>>>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

[Guest guest]

Sir,

 

Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your

goodself has mentioned.

 

Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if done

regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

- I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last

2 decades.

 

Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope,

advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with own

Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors

work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting regularly)

 

Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the house.

To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female members

of the house, but at least by female members to ensure longlife

success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

 

This is being done by family and myself so written above,

to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

 

Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though indirectly.

Thank You.

 

Regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Prafulla

> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM between

Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for diff

planets

>

> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives

courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac diorders.

>

> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help for many

remedies. according to the tabulation

>

> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on respirotary

disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother religious works

for other religions they must make it know so that it is prescribed,

right now we can go on what is available.

> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them so did

not cover it it is just like u try different medicine systems to get

a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it

>

> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too who

follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do try whole

heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as breathing.

>

> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know muslims who

consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was a

thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a look in

archives.

>

>

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote: Dear Shri

Kumar ji

>

> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

>

> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me):

>

> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for the

remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

>

> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental strengtht to

find realistic solutions

>

> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, if any.

>

> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as possible, must

not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

>

> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting

parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more authentic

remedies

>

> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the

possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the planet.

For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) -

suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit more

planned in its approach, making the working environment little

organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may tone

down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping up with

challenges.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>

> >

> > gbp_kumar

> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

> >

> > Prafulla,

> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r offshoots

of

> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil design

or black

> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

> >

> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

> >

> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped in

> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch the

rise of

> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have very

intense

> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in tantras (do

not mix

> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

> >

> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and

we star in

> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >

> > >

> > > gbp_kumar

> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

> > >

> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/27 -2

> > >

> > > Prafulla,

> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not

bbeong done or

> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or child

or huam

> > so

> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was excessive

balis then

> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if there

was no

> > rain or

> > > some for monetry reasons.

> > >

> > >

> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> > > Dear Ranjan ji

> > >

> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

Jainism, Budhism,

> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific religion,

then why

> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

something which

> > is

> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, religion

etc).

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

and we star

> > in

> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > >

> > > >

> > > > jyotish_vani

> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

> > > >

> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

> > > >

> > > > Dear Srinivas,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with more

food for

> > > > thought.

> > > >

> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry dear

tolerant

> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-religious/non-

ritual

> > type

> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to

notice the

> > strength

> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive mother

to do her

> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father scientist

manager

> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

scriptures such as

> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively

tuning into

> > that

> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core scientist

and one of

> > the

> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, europe

trained and

> > all

> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall next

to his bed

> > for

> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and Ramakrishna

in the next

> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man always

> > pooh-poohed

> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never really

stopped me

> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful at a

few things

> > in

> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was a

moment when

> > I

> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

miscellany quizzes

> > in

> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed it

to him. He

> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! One of

his

> > favourite

> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

> > > >

> > > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately

most of us do

> > not

> > > > come to terms with that.

> > > >

> > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

> > > >

> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has much

more power

> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is FLEXIBLE,

it

> > respects

> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through each

and every

> > > > activity that we associate with life!

> > > >

> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the fullest

> > expression of

> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully enjoying

those,

> > never

> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , srinivasa

murthy adavi

> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Sir

> > > >> A few more words-

> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

cosmological

> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God reveals

himself

> > in

> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva

along with

> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and

others like

> > Shirdi

> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet

Mohammed etc

> > all

> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for

bringing in the

> > > > cosmological harmony.

> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by

selfish

> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false

sympathy and

> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more personal

or for a

> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people

(some)

> > are

> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves

are not

> > > bothering

> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the

question is the

> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness

and freedom

> > of

> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8

women and

> > gave

> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth

was never

> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the

importance of

> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of

TheDivine even

> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as truth

that jesus

> > was

> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in the

name of

> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the truth.Some

day we

> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on

which we're

> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish desires

these

> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of religious

> > tenets.We'll

> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without

warning.So

> > please

> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of

expression media

> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

boundaries.

> > > >>

> > > >> regards

> > > >>

> > > >> srinivas

> > > >>

> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >> Sri,

> > > >>

> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your message

but when

> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image of

a Kind and

> > > > Wise

> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests

> > (actually

> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

> > > >>

> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood

all

> > religions

> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they

still be

> > here?

> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has

been

> > > > associated

> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another.

> > > >>

> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some

> > difficulty!

> > > >>

> > > >> RR

> > > >>

> > > >> , srinivasa

murthy adavi

> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Dear Members,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on the

sermon

> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular

mantra(when

> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based

on saatwik

> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or

Other

> > Revered

> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed

mantra is

> > the

> > > > apt

> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a

proper

> > person

> > > > at

> > > >> proper time to another right individual such that the

native

> > gets

> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude

to

> > withstand

> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting

him loose

> > his

> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work

spot if we

> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will

solve himself

> > > > (if

> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will

direct us to

> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

authorised one).

> > > >>>

> > > >>> regards

> > > >>>

> > > >>> srinivas

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The

quick remedy

> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani,

mars,

> > > > rahu/ketu

> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example -

jyotishi

> > suggest

> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if

the

> > native

> > > > is

> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's

pooja; then

> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it

must also

> > be

> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc

can be

> > remedied

> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say

which dasha

> > > >> bhukti etc)...

> > > >>>

> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke

powers) require

> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the

people

> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well.

and if

> > does

> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse

for the

> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of

surya

> > naman

> > > > (

> > > >> and can not be performed under certain circumstances),

offering

> > > > water

> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do

not think,

> > > > the

> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to help

without

> > > >> adhering to rituals.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we

know, if the

> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required any

more?

> > > >>>

> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

it, and we

> > > > star

> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Re: remedies

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Dear members,

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at

Bhartiya Vidya

> > > >> mandir, a

> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told

us

> > students

> > > > a

> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

remedies,without

> > > > knowledge,

> > > >> its

> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this

> > statement

> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming

or news

> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is

suggested. Also

> > > > it

> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he

suggests

> > so

> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For

eg.for

> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do

pooja of

> > > >> Lakshmi,

> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti

may be one,

> > > > but

> > > >> the

> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa,

tamas or

> > > >> rajas.

> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also

at times

> > > > stones

> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine

couloured

> > rays

> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified

> > state),also

> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested

wrongly.

> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha

lord, some for

> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting

the stone

> > at

> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results

also which

> > > > would

> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra

> > > > native.Will

> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only

experience

> > from

> > > >> the

> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of

mantras,

> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis

of ancient

> > > >> times

> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite

the mantra

> > in

> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same

mantra

> > wrongly,

> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they

had the

> > power

> > > > to

> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but

what about

> > us

> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but

the point

> > > > is,

> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> regards,

> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> , Prafulla

Gang

> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > >>>> wrote:

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Dear Members

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please

do not

> > > > misread

> > > >> me.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses

etc in a

> > > > chart

> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his

experience).

> > > >> Native

> > > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy (may

be

> > > > alternative

> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or

unknowlingly

> > > > (for

> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for

rahu /

> > > > ketu;

> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking

it as

> > remedy

> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation

of

> > > > remedies,

> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily

routine etc.

> > > >> Should

> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically -

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse /

affliction

> > > >> related

> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective

planetary

> > > >> ages

> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to

be fully

> > > > done

> > > >> or

> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of

suggesting

> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around

mantras.

> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in

line with

> > > >> native's

> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve

lots of

> > > >> rituals

> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of

its need

> > is

> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so

casually by

> > > > fellow

> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list

astrologers)

> > and

> > > >> to a

> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting

into

> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

it, and

> > we

> > > >> star

> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

protection around

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

 

Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by any native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

 

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

>

> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>

> Sir,

>

> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your

> goodself has mentioned.

>

> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if done

> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last

> 2 decades.

>

> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope,

> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with own

> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors

> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting regularly)

>

> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the house.

> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female members

> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure longlife

> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

>

> This is being done by family and myself so written above,

> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

>

> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though indirectly.

> Thank You.

>

> Regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar wrote:

>>

>> Prafulla

>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM between

> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for diff

> planets

>>

>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives

> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac diorders.

>>

>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help for many

> remedies. according to the tabulation

>>

>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on respirotary

> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother religious works

> for other religions they must make it know so that it is prescribed,

> right now we can go on what is available.

>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them so did

> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine systems to get

> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it

>>

>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too who

> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do try whole

> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as breathing.

>>

>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know muslims who

> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was a

> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a look in

> archives.

>>

>>

>>

>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote: Dear Shri

> Kumar ji

>>

>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

>>

>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me):

>>

>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for the

> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

>>

>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental strengtht to

> find realistic solutions

>>

>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, if any.

>>

>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as possible, must

> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

>>

>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting

> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more authentic

> remedies

>>

>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the

> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the planet.

> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) -

> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit more

> planned in its approach, making the working environment little

> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may tone

> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping up with

> challenges.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>

>> >

>> > gbp_kumar

>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

>> >

>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>> >

>> > Prafulla,

>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r offshoots

> of

>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil design

> or black

>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

>> >

>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

>> >

>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped in

>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch the

> rise of

>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have very

> intense

>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in tantras (do

> not mix

>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

>> >

>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

>> >

>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

>> >

>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and

> we star in

>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>> >

>> > >

>> > > gbp_kumar

>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

>> > >

>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/27 -2

>> > >

>> > > Prafulla,

>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not

> bbeong done or

>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or child

> or huam

>> > so

>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was excessive

> balis then

>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if there

> was no

>> > rain or

>> > > some for monetry reasons.

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

>> > >

>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

> Jainism, Budhism,

>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific religion,

> then why

>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

> something which

>> > is

>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, religion

> etc).

>> > >

>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

>> > >

>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

> and we star

>> > in

>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>> > >

>> > > >

>> > > > jyotish_vani

>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

>> > > >

>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

>> > > >

>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

>> > > >

>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with more

> food for

>> > > > thought.

>> > > >

>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry dear

> tolerant

>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-religious/non-

> ritual

>> > type

>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to

> notice the

>> > strength

>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive mother

> to do her

>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father scientist

> manager

>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

> scriptures such as

>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively

> tuning into

>> > that

>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core scientist

> and one of

>> > the

>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, europe

> trained and

>> > all

>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall next

> to his bed

>> > for

>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and Ramakrishna

> in the next

>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man always

>> > pooh-poohed

>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never really

> stopped me

>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful at a

> few things

>> > in

>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was a

> moment when

>> > I

>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

> miscellany quizzes

>> > in

>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed it

> to him. He

>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! One of

> his

>> > favourite

>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

>> > > >

>> > > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately

> most of us do

>> > not

>> > > > come to terms with that.

>> > > >

>> > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

>> > > >

>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has much

> more power

>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is FLEXIBLE,

> it

>> > respects

>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through each

> and every

>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

>> > > >

>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the fullest

>> > expression of

>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully enjoying

> those,

>> > never

>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

>> > > >

>> > > > RR

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > , srinivasa

> murthy adavi

>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

>> > > >>

>> > > >> Dear Sir

>> > > >> A few more words-

>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

> cosmological

>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God reveals

> himself

>> > in

>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva

> along with

>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and

> others like

>> > Shirdi

>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet

> Mohammed etc

>> > all

>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for

> bringing in the

>> > > > cosmological harmony.

>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by

> selfish

>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false

> sympathy and

>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more personal

> or for a

>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people

> (some)

>> > are

>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves

> are not

>> > > bothering

>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the

> question is the

>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness

> and freedom

>> > of

>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8

> women and

>> > gave

>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth

> was never

>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the

> importance of

>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of

> TheDivine even

>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as truth

> that jesus

>> > was

>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in the

> name of

>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the truth.Some

> day we

>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on

> which we're

>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish desires

> these

>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of religious

>> > tenets.We'll

>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without

> warning.So

>> > please

>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of

> expression media

>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

> boundaries.

>> > > >>

>> > > >> regards

>> > > >>

>> > > >> srinivas

>> > > >>

>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

>> > > >> Sri,

>> > > >>

>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your message

> but when

>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image of

> a Kind and

>> > > > Wise

>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests

>> > (actually

>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

>> > > >>

>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood

> all

>> > religions

>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they

> still be

>> > here?

>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has

> been

>> > > > associated

>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another.

>> > > >>

>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some

>> > difficulty!

>> > > >>

>> > > >> RR

>> > > >>

>> > > >> , srinivasa

> murthy adavi

>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Dear Members,

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on the

> sermon

>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular

> mantra(when

>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based

> on saatwik

>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or

> Other

>> > Revered

>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed

> mantra is

>> > the

>> > > > apt

>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a

> proper

>> > person

>> > > > at

>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such that the

> native

>> > gets

>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude

> to

>> > withstand

>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting

> him loose

>> > his

>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work

> spot if we

>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will

> solve himself

>> > > > (if

>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will

> direct us to

>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

> authorised one).

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> regards

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> srinivas

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The

> quick remedy

>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani,

> mars,

>> > > > rahu/ketu

>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example -

> jyotishi

>> > suggest

>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if

> the

>> > native

>> > > > is

>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's

> pooja; then

>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it

> must also

>> > be

>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc

> can be

>> > remedied

>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say

> which dasha

>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke

> powers) require

>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the

> people

>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well.

> and if

>> > does

>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse

> for the

>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of

> surya

>> > naman

>> > > > (

>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain circumstances),

> offering

>> > > > water

>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do

> not think,

>> > > > the

>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to help

> without

>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we

> know, if the

>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required any

> more?

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

> it, and we

>> > > > star

>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> Dear members,

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at

> Bhartiya Vidya

>> > > >> mandir, a

>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told

> us

>> > students

>> > > > a

>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

> remedies,without

>> > > > knowledge,

>> > > >> its

>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this

>> > statement

>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming

> or news

>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is

> suggested. Also

>> > > > it

>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he

> suggests

>> > so

>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For

> eg.for

>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do

> pooja of

>> > > >> Lakshmi,

>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti

> may be one,

>> > > > but

>> > > >> the

>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa,

> tamas or

>> > > >> rajas.

>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also

> at times

>> > > > stones

>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine

> couloured

>> > rays

>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified

>> > state),also

>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested

> wrongly.

>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha

> lord, some for

>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting

> the stone

>> > at

>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results

> also which

>> > > > would

>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra

>> > > > native.Will

>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only

> experience

>> > from

>> > > >> the

>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of

> mantras,

>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis

> of ancient

>> > > >> times

>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite

> the mantra

>> > in

>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same

> mantra

>> > wrongly,

>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they

> had the

>> > power

>> > > > to

>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but

> what about

>> > us

>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but

> the point

>> > > > is,

>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies.

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> regards,

>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>>

>> > > >>>> , Prafulla

> Gang

>> > > > <jyotish@>

>> > > >>>> wrote:

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please

> do not

>> > > > misread

>> > > >> me.

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses

> etc in a

>> > > > chart

>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his

> experience).

>> > > >> Native

>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy (may

> be

>> > > > alternative

>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or

> unknowlingly

>> > > > (for

>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for

> rahu /

>> > > > ketu;

>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking

> it as

>> > remedy

>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation

> of

>> > > > remedies,

>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily

> routine etc.

>> > > >> Should

>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically -

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse /

> affliction

>> > > >> related

>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective

> planetary

>> > > >> ages

>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to

> be fully

>> > > > done

>> > > >> or

>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like.

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of

> suggesting

>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around

> mantras.

>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in

> line with

>> > > >> native's

>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve

> lots of

>> > > >> rituals

>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of

> its need

>> > is

>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so

> casually by

>> > > > fellow

>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list

> astrologers)

>> > and

>> > > >> to a

>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting

> into

>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

> it, and

>> > we

>> > > >> star

>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>> > > >>>>>

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

> protection around

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>>

>> > > >>>

[Guest guest]

dear friends

 

good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells well

with the objective of this group. this very question on the

efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again,

periodically in all groups.

 

yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for

removing an evil and got that done successfully.

 

coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that

remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by ALL

religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions.

 

hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other religions DO

RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a person

or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, these

remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as devotees

visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like prafulla

ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih both

white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains along

with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which are

followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

information few months ago as to what remedies they follow,

notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran.

 

so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies with

or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, chartered

accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law

enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the PRESENT

EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when comes

to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not

amended and hence gullible people still want references from orient

classics which look insane to a logical person of the present

world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale is

what required for recommending or following any remedy by any

religious person.

 

another factor to note is that one individual's personal expereinces

cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately in

public groups, people express their own views and opinions and try

to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not get

positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. similarly

one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and hence

he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best

remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to alcohol

and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get it.

similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his being

pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and start

criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and has

all riches and comforts in the world left away by his ancestors, he

says that he is the only person who did good karma in his previous

birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins which is

why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and are

personal observations and not rules or principles.

 

hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal

experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so that

we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular remedy

along with scriptural references if any and as to how many people

got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot

criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved best

for crores of people without any such allergies.

 

with best wishes

pandit arjun

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

>

> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by any

native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>

>

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish

> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

> >

> > Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

> >

> > Sir,

> >

> > Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your

> > goodself has mentioned.

> >

> > Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if done

> > regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

> > - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last

> > 2 decades.

> >

> > Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope,

> > advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with own

> > Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors

> > work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting regularly)

> >

> > Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the house.

> > To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female members

> > of the house, but at least by female members to ensure longlife

> > success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

> >

> > This is being done by family and myself so written above,

> > to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

> >

> > Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though indirectly.

> > Thank You.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Prafulla

> >> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM between

> > Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for diff

> > planets

> >>

> >> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives

> > courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

diorders.

> >>

> >> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help for

many

> > remedies. according to the tabulation

> >>

> >> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on respirotary

> > disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother religious

works

> > for other religions they must make it know so that it is

prescribed,

> > right now we can go on what is available.

> >> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them so

did

> > not cover it it is just like u try different medicine systems

to get

> > a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it

> >>

> >> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too who

> > follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do try

whole

> > heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as

breathing.

> >>

> >> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know muslims

who

> > consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was a

> > thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a

look in

> > archives.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote: Dear Shri

> > Kumar ji

> >>

> >> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

> >>

> >> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me):

> >>

> >> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for the

> > remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

> >>

> >> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

strengtht to

> > find realistic solutions

> >>

> >> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, if

any.

> >>

> >> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as possible,

must

> > not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

> >>

> >> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting

> > parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more authentic

> > remedies

> >>

> >> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the

> > possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the

planet.

> > For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) -

> > suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit more

> > planned in its approach, making the working environment little

> > organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may tone

> > down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping up

with

> > challenges.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

> > star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>

> >> >

> >> > gbp_kumar@

> >> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

> >> >

> >> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4

tantra

> >> >

> >> > Prafulla,

> >> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r

offshoots

> > of

> >> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil

design

> > or black

> >> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

> >> >

> >> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

> >> >

> >> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped

in

> >> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch

the

> > rise of

> >> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have

very

> > intense

> >> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in tantras

(do

> > not mix

> >> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

> >> >

> >> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

> >> >

> >> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >> >

> >> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

and

> > we star in

> >> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >> >

> >> > >

> >> > > gbp_kumar@

> >> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

> >> > >

> >> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

23/27 -2

> >> > >

> >> > > Prafulla,

> >> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not

> > bbeong done or

> >> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or

child

> > or huam

> >> > so

> >> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was excessive

> > balis then

> >> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if

there

> > was no

> >> > rain or

> >> > > some for monetry reasons.

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >> > > Dear Ranjan ji

> >> > >

> >> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

> > Jainism, Budhism,

> >> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific

religion,

> > then why

> >> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

> > something which

> >> > is

> >> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, religion

> > etc).

> >> > >

> >> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >> > >

> >> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

it,

> > and we star

> >> > in

> >> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >> > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > jyotish_vani@

> >> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Dear Srinivas,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with

more

> > food for

> >> > > > thought.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry

dear

> > tolerant

> >> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

religious/non-

> > ritual

> >> > type

> >> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to

> > notice the

> >> > strength

> >> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive

mother

> > to do her

> >> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father

scientist

> > manager

> >> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

> > scriptures such as

> >> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively

> > tuning into

> >> > that

> >> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core

scientist

> > and one of

> >> > the

> >> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known,

europe

> > trained and

> >> > all

> >> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall

next

> > to his bed

> >> > for

> >> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

Ramakrishna

> > in the next

> >> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man

always

> >> > pooh-poohed

> >> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never really

> > stopped me

> >> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful

at a

> > few things

> >> > in

> >> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was

a

> > moment when

> >> > I

> >> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

> > miscellany quizzes

> >> > in

> >> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed

it

> > to him. He

> >> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today!

One of

> > his

> >> > favourite

> >> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

> >> > > >

> >> > > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately

> > most of us do

> >> > not

> >> > > > come to terms with that.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has

much

> > more power

> >> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is

FLEXIBLE,

> > it

> >> > respects

> >> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through

each

> > and every

> >> > > > activity that we associate with life!

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the

fullest

> >> > expression of

> >> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully

enjoying

> > those,

> >> > never

> >> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

> >> > > >

> >> > > > RR

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > , srinivasa

> > murthy adavi

> >> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

> >> > > >>

> >> > > >> Dear Sir

> >> > > >> A few more words-

> >> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

> > cosmological

> >> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God

reveals

> > himself

> >> > in

> >> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

> >> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and

Shiva

> > along with

> >> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and

> > others like

> >> > Shirdi

> >> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet

> > Mohammed etc

> >> > all

> >> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for

> > bringing in the

> >> > > > cosmological harmony.

> >> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by

> > selfish

> >> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false

> > sympathy and

> >> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more

personal

> > or for a

> >> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

> >> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The

people

> > (some)

> >> > are

> >> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves

> > are not

> >> > > bothering

> >> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the

> > question is the

> >> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness

> > and freedom

> >> > of

> >> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married

8

> > women and

> >> > gave

> >> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the

truth

> > was never

> >> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the

> > importance of

> >> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of

> > TheDivine even

> >> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as

truth

> > that jesus

> >> > was

> >> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in

the

> > name of

> >> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the

truth.Some

> > day we

> >> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on

> > which we're

> >> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish

desires

> > these

> >> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

religious

> >> > tenets.We'll

> >> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without

> > warning.So

> >> > please

> >> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of

> > expression media

> >> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

> > boundaries.

> >> > > >>

> >> > > >> regards

> >> > > >>

> >> > > >> srinivas

> >> > > >>

> >> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >> > > >> Sri,

> >> > > >>

> >> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your

message

> > but when

> >> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image

of

> > a Kind and

> >> > > > Wise

> >> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best

interests

> >> > (actually

> >> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

> >> > > >>

> >> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have

stood

> > all

> >> > religions

> >> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would

they

> > still be

> >> > here?

> >> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that

has

> > been

> >> > > > associated

> >> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another.

> >> > > >>

> >> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with

some

> >> > difficulty!

> >> > > >>

> >> > > >> RR

> >> > > >>

> >> > > >> , srinivasa

> > murthy adavi

> >> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>> Dear Members,

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on the

> > sermon

> >> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

> >> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

particular

> > mantra(when

> >> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done

based

> > on saatwik

> >> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya

or

> > Other

> >> > Revered

> >> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed

> > mantra is

> >> > the

> >> > > > apt

> >> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to

a

> > proper

> >> > person

> >> > > > at

> >> > > >> proper time to another right individual such that

the

> > native

> >> > gets

> >> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner

fortitude

> > to

> >> > withstand

> >> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting

> > him loose

> >> > his

> >> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our

work

> > spot if we

> >> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will

> > solve himself

> >> > > > (if

> >> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will

> > direct us to

> >> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

> > authorised one).

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>> regards

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>> srinivas

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The

> > quick remedy

> >> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for

shani,

> > mars,

> >> > > > rahu/ketu

> >> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example -

> > jyotishi

> >> > suggest

> >> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense?

and if

> > the

> >> > native

> >> > > > is

> >> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's

> > pooja; then

> >> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then

it

> > must also

> >> > be

> >> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc

> > can be

> >> > remedied

> >> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say

> > which dasha

> >> > > >> bhukti etc)...

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke

> > powers) require

> >> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all

the

> > people

> >> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals

well.

> > and if

> >> > does

> >> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard

excuse

> > for the

> >> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined

vidhi of

> > surya

> >> > naman

> >> > > > (

> >> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

circumstances),

> > offering

> >> > > > water

> >> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I

do

> > not think,

> >> > > > the

> >> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to

help

> > without

> >> > > >> adhering to rituals.

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we

> > know, if the

> >> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required

any

> > more?

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

produce

> > it, and we

> >> > > > star

> >> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>>>

> >> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

> >> > > >>>>

> >> > > >>>> Re: remedies

> >> > > >>>>

> >> > > >>>> Dear members,

> >> > > >>>>

> >> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at

> > Bhartiya Vidya

> >> > > >> mandir, a

> >> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

proffessor ,told

> > us

> >> > students

> >> > > > a

> >> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

> > remedies,without

> >> > > > knowledge,

> >> > > >> its

> >> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of

this

> >> > statement

> >> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

forthcoming

> > or news

> >> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is

> > suggested. Also

> >> > > > it

> >> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer,

when he

> > suggests

> >> > so

> >> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying.

For

> > eg.for

> >> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do

> > pooja of

> >> > > >> Lakshmi,

> >> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti

> > may be one,

> >> > > > but

> >> > > >> the

> >> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like

sattwa,

> > tamas or

> >> > > >> rajas.

> >> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ?

Also

> > at times

> >> > > > stones

> >> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine

> > couloured

> >> > rays

> >> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case

solidified

> >> > state),also

> >> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested

> > wrongly.

> >> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha

> > lord, some for

> >> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

suggesting

> > the stone

> >> > at

> >> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results

> > also which

> >> > > > would

> >> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For

ex.Libra

> >> > > > native.Will

> >> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only

> > experience

> >> > from

> >> > > >> the

> >> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge.

Talking of

> > mantras,

> >> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi

munis

> > of ancient

> >> > > >> times

> >> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite

> > the mantra

> >> > in

> >> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same

> > mantra

> >> > wrongly,

> >> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they

> > had the

> >> > power

> >> > > > to

> >> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but

> > what about

> >> > us

> >> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long,

but

> > the point

> >> > > > is,

> >> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

remedies.

> >> > > >>>>

> >> > > >>>> regards,

> >> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

> >> > > >>>>

> >> > > >>>>

> >> > > >>>>

> >> > > >>>> , Prafulla

> > Gang

> >> > > > <jyotish@>

> >> > > >>>> wrote:

> >> > > >>>>>

> >> > > >>>>> Dear Members

> >> > > >>>>>

> >> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so

please

> > do not

> >> > > > misread

> >> > > >> me.

> >> > > >>>>>

> >> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations,

curses

> > etc in a

> >> > > > chart

> >> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his

> > experience).

> >> > > >> Native

> >> > > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy

(may

> > be

> >> > > > alternative

> >> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or

> > unknowlingly

> >> > > > (for

> >> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy

for

> > rahu /

> >> > > > ketu;

> >> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without

thinking

> > it as

> >> > remedy

> >> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

recommendation

> > of

> >> > > > remedies,

> >> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily

> > routine etc.

> >> > > >> Should

> >> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically -

> >> > > >>>>>

> >> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse /

> > affliction

> >> > > >> related

> >> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

> >> > > >>>>>

> >> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at

respective

> > planetary

> >> > > >> ages

> >> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered

to

> > be fully

> >> > > > done

> >> > > >> or

> >> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like.

> >> > > >>>>>

> >> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice

of

> > suggesting

> >> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially

around

> > mantras.

> >> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be

in

> > line with

> >> > > >> native's

> >> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc

involve

> > lots of

> >> > > >> rituals

> >> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

> >> > > >>>>>

> >> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment

of

> > its need

> >> > is

> >> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so

> > casually by

> >> > > > fellow

> >> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list

> > astrologers)

> >> > and

> >> > > >> to a

> >> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting

> > into

> >> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

> >> > > >>>>>

> >> > > >>>>>

> >> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >> > > >>>>>

> >> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

produce

> > it, and

> >> > we

> >> > > >> star

> >> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >> > > >>>>>

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

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> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>>

> >> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

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> >> > > >>>

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> >> > > >>

> >> > > >>

> >> > > >>

> >> > > >>

> >> > > >>

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> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > Prashantkumar G B

> >> > >

> >> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> >

> >> > group

> >> > > but

> >> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

mail

> > or phone.

> >> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

> >> > > 09840051861

> >> > >

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> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the

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> >> > >

> >> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Pandit Arjun ji

 

Very well said.

 

I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the remedies in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra is one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting system for shani / ketu.

 

Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary factor.

 

Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is required (I mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / transit / dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc).

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

 

 

>

> panditarjun2004

> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000

>

> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>

> dear friends

>

> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells well

> with the objective of this group. this very question on the

> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again,

> periodically in all groups.

>

> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for

> removing an evil and got that done successfully.

>

> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that

> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by ALL

> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions.

>

> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other religions DO

> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a person

> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions, these

> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as devotees

> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like prafulla

> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih both

> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains along

> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which are

> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow,

> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran.

>

> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies with

> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers, chartered

> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law

> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the PRESENT

> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when comes

> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not

> amended and hence gullible people still want references from orient

> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present

> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale is

> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any

> religious person.

>

> another factor to note is that one individual's personal expereinces

> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately in

> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and try

> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not get

> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it. similarly

> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and hence

> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best

> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to alcohol

> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get it.

> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his being

> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and start

> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and has

> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his ancestors, he

> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his previous

> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins which is

> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and are

> personal observations and not rules or principles.

>

> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal

> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so that

> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular remedy

> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many people

> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot

> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved best

> for crores of people without any such allergies.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

>>

>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by any

> native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>

>>

>>>

>>> bhaskar_jyotish

>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>

>>> Sir,

>>>

>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your

>>> goodself has mentioned.

>>>

>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if done

>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last

>>> 2 decades.

>>>

>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope,

>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with own

>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors

>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting regularly)

>>>

>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the house.

>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female members

>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure longlife

>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

>>>

>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above,

>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

>>>

>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though indirectly.

>>> Thank You.

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>> Bhaskar.

>>>

>>>

>>> , Prashant Kumar G B

>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Prafulla

>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM between

>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for diff

>>> planets

>>>>

>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives

>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

> diorders.

>>>>

>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help for

> many

>>> remedies. according to the tabulation

>>>>

>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on respirotary

>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother religious

> works

>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is

> prescribed,

>>> right now we can go on what is available.

>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them so

> did

>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine systems

> to get

>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it

>>>>

>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too who

>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do try

> whole

>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as

> breathing.

>>>>

>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know muslims

> who

>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was a

>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a

> look in

>>> archives.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote: Dear Shri

>>> Kumar ji

>>>>

>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

>>>>

>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me):

>>>>

>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for the

>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

>>>>

>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

> strengtht to

>>> find realistic solutions

>>>>

>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, if

> any.

>>>>

>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as possible,

> must

>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

>>>>

>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting

>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more authentic

>>> remedies

>>>>

>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the

>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the

> planet.

>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) -

>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit more

>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment little

>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may tone

>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping up

> with

>>> challenges.

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>

>>>> >

>>>> > gbp_kumar@

>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

>>>> >

>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4

> tantra

>>>> >

>>>> > Prafulla,

>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r

> offshoots

>>> of

>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil

> design

>>> or black

>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

>>>> >

>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

>>>> >

>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped

> in

>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch

> the

>>> rise of

>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have

> very

>>> intense

>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in tantras

> (do

>>> not mix

>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

>>>> >

>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

>>>> >

>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>> >

>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

> and

>>> we star in

>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>> >

>>>> > >

>>>> > > gbp_kumar@

>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

>>>> > >

>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

> 23/27 -2

>>>> > >

>>>> > > Prafulla,

>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not

>>> bbeong done or

>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or

> child

>>> or huam

>>>> > so

>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was excessive

>>> balis then

>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if

> there

>>> was no

>>>> > rain or

>>>> > > some for monetry reasons.

>>>> > >

>>>> > >

>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

>>>> > >

>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

>>> Jainism, Budhism,

>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific

> religion,

>>> then why

>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

>>> something which

>>>> > is

>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, religion

>>> etc).

>>>> > >

>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>> > >

>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

> it,

>>> and we star

>>>> > in

>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>> > >

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@

>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with

> more

>>> food for

>>>> > > > thought.

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry

> dear

>>> tolerant

>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

> religious/non-

>>> ritual

>>>> > type

>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to

>>> notice the

>>>> > strength

>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive

> mother

>>> to do her

>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father

> scientist

>>> manager

>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

>>> scriptures such as

>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively

>>> tuning into

>>>> > that

>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core

> scientist

>>> and one of

>>>> > the

>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known,

> europe

>>> trained and

>>>> > all

>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall

> next

>>> to his bed

>>>> > for

>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

> Ramakrishna

>>> in the next

>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man

> always

>>>> > pooh-poohed

>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never really

>>> stopped me

>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful

> at a

>>> few things

>>>> > in

>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was

> a

>>> moment when

>>>> > I

>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

>>> miscellany quizzes

>>>> > in

>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed

> it

>>> to him. He

>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today!

> One of

>>> his

>>>> > favourite

>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately

>>> most of us do

>>>> > not

>>>> > > > come to terms with that.

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has

> much

>>> more power

>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is

> FLEXIBLE,

>>> it

>>>> > respects

>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through

> each

>>> and every

>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the

> fullest

>>>> > expression of

>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully

> enjoying

>>> those,

>>>> > never

>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > RR

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > , srinivasa

>>> murthy adavi

>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>> > > >>

>>>> > > >> Dear Sir

>>>> > > >> A few more words-

>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

>>> cosmological

>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God

> reveals

>>> himself

>>>> > in

>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and

> Shiva

>>> along with

>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and

>>> others like

>>>> > Shirdi

>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet

>>> Mohammed etc

>>>> > all

>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for

>>> bringing in the

>>>> > > > cosmological harmony.

>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by

>>> selfish

>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false

>>> sympathy and

>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more

> personal

>>> or for a

>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The

> people

>>> (some)

>>>> > are

>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves

>>> are not

>>>> > > bothering

>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the

>>> question is the

>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness

>>> and freedom

>>>> > of

>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married

> 8

>>> women and

>>>> > gave

>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the

> truth

>>> was never

>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the

>>> importance of

>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of

>>> TheDivine even

>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as

> truth

>>> that jesus

>>>> > was

>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in

> the

>>> name of

>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the

> truth.Some

>>> day we

>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on

>>> which we're

>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish

> desires

>>> these

>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

> religious

>>>> > tenets.We'll

>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without

>>> warning.So

>>>> > please

>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of

>>> expression media

>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

>>> boundaries.

>>>> > > >>

>>>> > > >> regards

>>>> > > >>

>>>> > > >> srinivas

>>>> > > >>

>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

>>>> > > >> Sri,

>>>> > > >>

>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your

> message

>>> but when

>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image

> of

>>> a Kind and

>>>> > > > Wise

>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best

> interests

>>>> > (actually

>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

>>>> > > >>

>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have

> stood

>>> all

>>>> > religions

>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would

> they

>>> still be

>>>> > here?

>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that

> has

>>> been

>>>> > > > associated

>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another.

>>>> > > >>

>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with

> some

>>>> > difficulty!

>>>> > > >>

>>>> > > >> RR

>>>> > > >>

>>>> > > >> , srinivasa

>>> murthy adavi

>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>> Dear Members,

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on the

>>> sermon

>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

> particular

>>> mantra(when

>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done

> based

>>> on saatwik

>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya

> or

>>> Other

>>>> > Revered

>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed

>>> mantra is

>>>> > the

>>>> > > > apt

>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to

> a

>>> proper

>>>> > person

>>>> > > > at

>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such that

> the

>>> native

>>>> > gets

>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner

> fortitude

>>> to

>>>> > withstand

>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting

>>> him loose

>>>> > his

>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our

> work

>>> spot if we

>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will

>>> solve himself

>>>> > > > (if

>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will

>>> direct us to

>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

>>> authorised one).

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>> regards

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>> srinivas

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The

>>> quick remedy

>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for

> shani,

>>> mars,

>>>> > > > rahu/ketu

>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example -

>>> jyotishi

>>>> > suggest

>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense?

> and if

>>> the

>>>> > native

>>>> > > > is

>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's

>>> pooja; then

>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then

> it

>>> must also

>>>> > be

>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc

>>> can be

>>>> > remedied

>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say

>>> which dasha

>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke

>>> powers) require

>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all

> the

>>> people

>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals

> well.

>>> and if

>>>> > does

>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard

> excuse

>>> for the

>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined

> vidhi of

>>> surya

>>>> > naman

>>>> > > > (

>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

> circumstances),

>>> offering

>>>> > > > water

>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I

> do

>>> not think,

>>>> > > > the

>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to

> help

>>> without

>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we

>>> know, if the

>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required

> any

>>> more?

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> produce

>>> it, and we

>>>> > > > star

>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>>>

>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

>>>> > > >>>>

>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

>>>> > > >>>>

>>>> > > >>>> Dear members,

>>>> > > >>>>

>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at

>>> Bhartiya Vidya

>>>> > > >> mandir, a

>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

> proffessor ,told

>>> us

>>>> > students

>>>> > > > a

>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

>>> remedies,without

>>>> > > > knowledge,

>>>> > > >> its

>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of

> this

>>>> > statement

>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

> forthcoming

>>> or news

>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is

>>> suggested. Also

>>>> > > > it

>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer,

> when he

>>> suggests

>>>> > so

>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying.

> For

>>> eg.for

>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do

>>> pooja of

>>>> > > >> Lakshmi,

>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti

>>> may be one,

>>>> > > > but

>>>> > > >> the

>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like

> sattwa,

>>> tamas or

>>>> > > >> rajas.

>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ?

> Also

>>> at times

>>>> > > > stones

>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine

>>> couloured

>>>> > rays

>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case

> solidified

>>>> > state),also

>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested

>>> wrongly.

>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha

>>> lord, some for

>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

> suggesting

>>> the stone

>>>> > at

>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results

>>> also which

>>>> > > > would

>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For

> ex.Libra

>>>> > > > native.Will

>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only

>>> experience

>>>> > from

>>>> > > >> the

>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge.

> Talking of

>>> mantras,

>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi

> munis

>>> of ancient

>>>> > > >> times

>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite

>>> the mantra

>>>> > in

>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same

>>> mantra

>>>> > wrongly,

>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they

>>> had the

>>>> > power

>>>> > > > to

>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but

>>> what about

>>>> > us

>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long,

> but

>>> the point

>>>> > > > is,

>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

> remedies.

>>>> > > >>>>

>>>> > > >>>> regards,

>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

>>>> > > >>>>

>>>> > > >>>>

>>>> > > >>>>

>>>> > > >>>> , Prafulla

>>> Gang

>>>> > > > <jyotish@>

>>>> > > >>>> wrote:

>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so

> please

>>> do not

>>>> > > > misread

>>>> > > >> me.

>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations,

> curses

>>> etc in a

>>>> > > > chart

>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his

>>> experience).

>>>> > > >> Native

>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy

> (may

>>> be

>>>> > > > alternative

>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or

>>> unknowlingly

>>>> > > > (for

>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy

> for

>>> rahu /

>>>> > > > ketu;

>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without

> thinking

>>> it as

>>>> > remedy

>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

> recommendation

>>> of

>>>> > > > remedies,

>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily

>>> routine etc.

>>>> > > >> Should

>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically -

>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse /

>>> affliction

>>>> > > >> related

>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at

> respective

>>> planetary

>>>> > > >> ages

>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered

> to

>>> be fully

>>>> > > > done

>>>> > > >> or

>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like.

>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice

> of

>>> suggesting

>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially

> around

>>> mantras.

>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be

> in

>>> line with

>>>> > > >> native's

>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc

> involve

>>> lots of

>>>> > > >> rituals

>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment

> of

>>> its need

>>>> > is

>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so

>>> casually by

>>>> > > > fellow

>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list

>>> astrologers)

>>>> > and

>>>> > > >> to a

>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting

>>> into

>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> produce

>>> it, and

>>>> > we

>>>> > > >> star

>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>>

>>>> > > >>>

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Dear Prafulla,

 

Please do not take this wrongly or as a criticism but just as open

exchange of thoughts between two individuals who have known each

other for several years, albeit intermittently.

 

Based on what our training (non-astrological), profession and mind-

set is and it can be a very complex mixture of facts and emotions and

learning --

 

Some of the jyotishis tend to look at jyotish as a fluid reality,

where rules are less rigid and meld into one another.

 

Others come at it with more rigid expectations and expect rules to be

absolute and tend to blame the jyotishi for any wrong predictions =

mistakes, but never JYOTISH!

 

Then the level goes one level higher. When we start talking about

karma and mantras and remedies and so on.

 

This is yet another level of approximation and thus even more fluid

and uncertain, but those trained in rituals and the rigidity of same

may be already set in their thinking. These are the individuals who

get tougher on their clients if their first prescription does not

work. They tend to blame the client and their inappropriate following

of the rituals!

 

Not to confuse the issue, I have a very real anecdote to share. There

is a very good friend who lives in another country. He was having

some problems and I recommended fasting on saturdays and he began

doing that in real earnest (this began some 15 years ago). During the

last fifteen years, he ran into a very accomplished local saint who

had siddhis. My friend, I am assuming based on his guru's advice

started doing some pooja which he does each evening. He has had many

major successes but also major problems in these years! At a point a

couple of years ago when I was visiting him (he lives in another

country), my jaws fell when on a Saturday after a day-long fast and

pooja and so on, this individual poured an alcoholic drink for

himself. He has a very stressful life and when asked, he said that he

had been drinking on saturdays (and some other days too) all this

time!

 

Now where do we go from here? Were his successes due to the fasting?

And his problems due to desecreting the fast with his indulgence in

alcohol on that day?

 

To make things more interesting, on someone else's advice, this

individual had been wearing a neelam on the tarjani (index finger,

sun's finger) for sometime, earlier! I had commented and expressed my

discomfort over that a while ago. He does not wear that anymore but

does not have a really clear recollection of that! His is a very busy

and high stress/high activity profession.

 

The bottom-line? It is best to advice others about remedies in

situations where you can see what they are doing and certainly not in

the causal internet advice situation. You never know how or where the

advice will go, given free or for a cost!

 

RR

 

 

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Pandit Arjun ji

>

> Very well said.

>

> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the remedies

in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra is

one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting

system for shani / ketu.

>

> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary

factor.

>

> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for each

person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started with the

confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is required (I mean if

the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed the dosha?)

and if these remedies work at specific age / transit / dasha /

planetary age (like mars at 28 etc).

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>

>

> >

> > panditarjun2004

> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000

> >

> > Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells well

> > with the objective of this group. this very question on the

> > efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again,

> > periodically in all groups.

> >

> > yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for

> > removing an evil and got that done successfully.

> >

> > coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that

> > remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by ALL

> > religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions.

> >

> > hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other religions

DO

> > RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a

person

> > or for getting something the native wants. in all religions,

these

> > remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as

devotees

> > visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like prafulla

> > ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih both

> > white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains along

> > with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which are

> > followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

> > information few months ago as to what remedies they follow,

> > notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran.

> >

> > so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies

with

> > or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers,

chartered

> > accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law

> > enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the PRESENT

> > EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when

comes

> > to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not

> > amended and hence gullible people still want references from

orient

> > classics which look insane to a logical person of the present

> > world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale is

> > what required for recommending or following any remedy by any

> > religious person.

> >

> > another factor to note is that one individual's personal

expereinces

> > cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately in

> > public groups, people express their own views and opinions and try

> > to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not get

> > positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it.

similarly

> > one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and

hence

> > he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best

> > remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to

alcohol

> > and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get

it.

> > similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his

being

> > pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and start

> > criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and

has

> > all riches and comforts in the world left away by his ancestors,

he

> > says that he is the only person who did good karma in his previous

> > birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins which

is

> > why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and are

> > personal observations and not rules or principles.

> >

> > hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal

> > experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so

that

> > we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular remedy

> > along with scriptural references if any and as to how many people

> > got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

> > hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot

> > criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved best

> > for crores of people without any such allergies.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > pandit arjun

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

> >>

> >> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by

any

> > native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

> > star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

> >>>

> >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

> >>>

> >>> Sir,

> >>>

> >>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your

> >>> goodself has mentioned.

> >>>

> >>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if done

> >>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

> >>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last

> >>> 2 decades.

> >>>

> >>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope,

> >>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with own

> >>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors

> >>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting

regularly)

> >>>

> >>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the house.

> >>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female members

> >>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure longlife

> >>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

> >>>

> >>> This is being done by family and myself so written above,

> >>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

> >>>

> >>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though

indirectly.

> >>> Thank You.

> >>>

> >>> Regards,

> >>> Bhaskar.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> , Prashant Kumar G B

> >>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Prafulla

> >>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM between

> >>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for diff

> >>> planets

> >>>>

> >>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives

> >>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

> > diorders.

> >>>>

> >>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help for

> > many

> >>> remedies. according to the tabulation

> >>>>

> >>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on

respirotary

> >>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother religious

> > works

> >>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is

> > prescribed,

> >>> right now we can go on what is available.

> >>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them so

> > did

> >>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine systems

> > to get

> >>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it

> >>>>

> >>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too who

> >>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do try

> > whole

> >>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as

> > breathing.

> >>>>

> >>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know muslims

> > who

> >>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was a

> >>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a

> > look in

> >>> archives.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> >>> wrote: Dear

Shri

> >>> Kumar ji

> >>>>

> >>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

> >>>>

> >>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me):

> >>>>

> >>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for the

> >>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

> >>>>

> >>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

> > strengtht to

> >>> find realistic solutions

> >>>>

> >>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, if

> > any.

> >>>>

> >>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as possible,

> > must

> >>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

> >>>>

> >>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting

> >>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more authentic

> >>> remedies

> >>>>

> >>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the

> >>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the

> > planet.

> >>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) -

> >>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit more

> >>> planned in its approach, making the working environment little

> >>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may

tone

> >>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping up

> > with

> >>> challenges.

> >>>>

> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>

> >>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and

we

> >>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>>

> >>>> >

> >>>> > gbp_kumar@

> >>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

> >>>> >

> >>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4

> > tantra

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Prafulla,

> >>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r

> > offshoots

> >>> of

> >>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil

> > design

> >>> or black

> >>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

> >>>> >

> >>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped

> > in

> >>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch

> > the

> >>> rise of

> >>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have

> > very

> >>> intense

> >>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in tantras

> > (do

> >>> not mix

> >>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

> >>>> >

> >>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

> > and

> >>> we star in

> >>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>> >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > gbp_kumar@

> >>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

> > 23/27 -2

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > Prafulla,

> >>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not

> >>> bbeong done or

> >>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or

> > child

> >>> or huam

> >>>> > so

> >>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was excessive

> >>> balis then

> >>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if

> > there

> >>> was no

> >>>> > rain or

> >>>> > > some for monetry reasons.

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

> >>> Jainism, Budhism,

> >>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific

> > religion,

> >>> then why

> >>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

> >>> something which

> >>>> > is

> >>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory,

religion

> >>> etc).

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

> > it,

> >>> and we star

> >>>> > in

> >>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > jyotish_vani@

> >>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with

> > more

> >>> food for

> >>>> > > > thought.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry

> > dear

> >>> tolerant

> >>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

> > religious/non-

> >>> ritual

> >>>> > type

> >>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to

> >>> notice the

> >>>> > strength

> >>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive

> > mother

> >>> to do her

> >>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father

> > scientist

> >>> manager

> >>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

> >>> scriptures such as

> >>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively

> >>> tuning into

> >>>> > that

> >>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core

> > scientist

> >>> and one of

> >>>> > the

> >>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known,

> > europe

> >>> trained and

> >>>> > all

> >>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall

> > next

> >>> to his bed

> >>>> > for

> >>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

> > Ramakrishna

> >>> in the next

> >>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man

> > always

> >>>> > pooh-poohed

> >>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never

really

> >>> stopped me

> >>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful

> > at a

> >>> few things

> >>>> > in

> >>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was

> > a

> >>> moment when

> >>>> > I

> >>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

> >>> miscellany quizzes

> >>>> > in

> >>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed

> > it

> >>> to him. He

> >>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today!

> > One of

> >>> his

> >>>> > favourite

> >>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately

> >>> most of us do

> >>>> > not

> >>>> > > > come to terms with that.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has

> > much

> >>> more power

> >>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is

> > FLEXIBLE,

> >>> it

> >>>> > respects

> >>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through

> > each

> >>> and every

> >>>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the

> > fullest

> >>>> > expression of

> >>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully

> > enjoying

> >>> those,

> >>>> > never

> >>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > RR

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > , srinivasa

> >>> murthy adavi

> >>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> Dear Sir

> >>>> > > >> A few more words-

> >>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

> >>> cosmological

> >>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God

> > reveals

> >>> himself

> >>>> > in

> >>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

> >>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and

> > Shiva

> >>> along with

> >>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and

> >>> others like

> >>>> > Shirdi

> >>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus

Christ,Prophet

> >>> Mohammed etc

> >>>> > all

> >>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for

> >>> bringing in the

> >>>> > > > cosmological harmony.

> >>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout

by

> >>> selfish

> >>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain

false

> >>> sympathy and

> >>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more

> > personal

> >>> or for a

> >>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

> >>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The

> > people

> >>> (some)

> >>>> > are

> >>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae

theselves

> >>> are not

> >>>> > > bothering

> >>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the

> >>> question is the

> >>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of

creativeness

> >>> and freedom

> >>>> > of

> >>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married

> > 8

> >>> women and

> >>>> > gave

> >>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the

> > truth

> >>> was never

> >>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the

> >>> importance of

> >>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of

> >>> TheDivine even

> >>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as

> > truth

> >>> that jesus

> >>>> > was

> >>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in

> > the

> >>> name of

> >>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the

> > truth.Some

> >>> day we

> >>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on

> >>> which we're

> >>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish

> > desires

> >>> these

> >>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

> > religious

> >>>> > tenets.We'll

> >>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without

> >>> warning.So

> >>>> > please

> >>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of

> >>> expression media

> >>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

> >>> boundaries.

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> regards

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> srinivas

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >>>> > > >> Sri,

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your

> > message

> >>> but when

> >>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image

> > of

> >>> a Kind and

> >>>> > > > Wise

> >>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best

> > interests

> >>>> > (actually

> >>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have

> > stood

> >>> all

> >>>> > religions

> >>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would

> > they

> >>> still be

> >>>> > here?

> >>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that

> > has

> >>> been

> >>>> > > > associated

> >>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another.

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with

> > some

> >>>> > difficulty!

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> RR

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> , srinivasa

> >>> murthy adavi

> >>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> Dear Members,

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on

the

> >>> sermon

> >>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

> >>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

> > particular

> >>> mantra(when

> >>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done

> > based

> >>> on saatwik

> >>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya

> > or

> >>> Other

> >>>> > Revered

> >>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if

prescribed

> >>> mantra is

> >>>> > the

> >>>> > > > apt

> >>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to

> > a

> >>> proper

> >>>> > person

> >>>> > > > at

> >>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such that

> > the

> >>> native

> >>>> > gets

> >>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner

> > fortitude

> >>> to

> >>>> > withstand

> >>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without

letting

> >>> him loose

> >>>> > his

> >>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our

> > work

> >>> spot if we

> >>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will

> >>> solve himself

> >>>> > > > (if

> >>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will

> >>> direct us to

> >>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

> >>> authorised one).

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> regards

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> srinivas

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation.

The

> >>> quick remedy

> >>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for

> > shani,

> >>> mars,

> >>>> > > > rahu/ketu

> >>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example -

> >>> jyotishi

> >>>> > suggest

> >>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense?

> > and if

> >>> the

> >>>> > native

> >>>> > > > is

> >>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's

> >>> pooja; then

> >>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then

> > it

> >>> must also

> >>>> > be

> >>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction

etc

> >>> can be

> >>>> > remedied

> >>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or

say

> >>> which dasha

> >>>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke

> >>> powers) require

> >>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all

> > the

> >>> people

> >>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals

> > well.

> >>> and if

> >>>> > does

> >>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard

> > excuse

> >>> for the

> >>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined

> > vidhi of

> >>> surya

> >>>> > naman

> >>>> > > > (

> >>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

> > circumstances),

> >>> offering

> >>>> > > > water

> >>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I

> > do

> >>> not think,

> >>>> > > > the

> >>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to

> > help

> >>> without

> >>>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do

we

> >>> know, if the

> >>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required

> > any

> >>> more?

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> > produce

> >>> it, and we

> >>>> > > > star

> >>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>> Dear members,

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at

> >>> Bhartiya Vidya

> >>>> > > >> mandir, a

> >>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

> > proffessor ,told

> >>> us

> >>>> > students

> >>>> > > > a

> >>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

> >>> remedies,without

> >>>> > > > knowledge,

> >>>> > > >> its

> >>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of

> > this

> >>>> > statement

> >>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

> > forthcoming

> >>> or news

> >>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is

> >>> suggested. Also

> >>>> > > > it

> >>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer,

> > when he

> >>> suggests

> >>>> > so

> >>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying.

> > For

> >>> eg.for

> >>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to

do

> >>> pooja of

> >>>> > > >> Lakshmi,

> >>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the

shakti

> >>> may be one,

> >>>> > > > but

> >>>> > > >> the

> >>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like

> > sattwa,

> >>> tamas or

> >>>> > > >> rajas.

> >>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ?

> > Also

> >>> at times

> >>>> > > > stones

> >>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the

divine

> >>> couloured

> >>>> > rays

> >>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case

> > solidified

> >>>> > state),also

> >>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested

> >>> wrongly.

> >>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha

> >>> lord, some for

> >>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

> > suggesting

> >>> the stone

> >>>> > at

> >>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results

> >>> also which

> >>>> > > > would

> >>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For

> > ex.Libra

> >>>> > > > native.Will

> >>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only

> >>> experience

> >>>> > from

> >>>> > > >> the

> >>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge.

> > Talking of

> >>> mantras,

> >>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi

> > munis

> >>> of ancient

> >>>> > > >> times

> >>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple

recite

> >>> the mantra

> >>>> > in

> >>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same

> >>> mantra

> >>>> > wrongly,

> >>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course

they

> >>> had the

> >>>> > power

> >>>> > > > to

> >>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then,

but

> >>> what about

> >>>> > us

> >>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long,

> > but

> >>> the point

> >>>> > > > is,

> >>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

> > remedies.

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>> regards,

> >>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>> ,

Prafulla

> >>> Gang

> >>>> > > > <jyotish@>

> >>>> > > >>>> wrote:

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so

> > please

> >>> do not

> >>>> > > > misread

> >>>> > > >> me.

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations,

> > curses

> >>> etc in a

> >>>> > > > chart

> >>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per

his

> >>> experience).

> >>>> > > >> Native

> >>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy

> > (may

> >>> be

> >>>> > > > alternative

> >>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or

> >>> unknowlingly

> >>>> > > > (for

> >>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy

> > for

> >>> rahu /

> >>>> > > > ketu;

> >>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without

> > thinking

> >>> it as

> >>>> > remedy

> >>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

> > recommendation

> >>> of

> >>>> > > > remedies,

> >>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily

> >>> routine etc.

> >>>> > > >> Should

> >>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically -

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the

curse /

> >>> affliction

> >>>> > > >> related

> >>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at

> > respective

> >>> planetary

> >>>> > > >> ages

> >>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered

> > to

> >>> be fully

> >>>> > > > done

> >>>> > > >> or

> >>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like.

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice

> > of

> >>> suggesting

> >>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially

> > around

> >>> mantras.

> >>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be

> > in

> >>> line with

> >>>> > > >> native's

> >>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc

> > involve

> >>> lots of

> >>>> > > >> rituals

> >>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment

> > of

> >>> its need

> >>>> > is

> >>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so

> >>> casually by

> >>>> > > > fellow

> >>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list

> >>> astrologers)

> >>>> > and

> >>>> > > >> to a

> >>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for

getting

> >>> into

> >>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> > produce

> >>> it, and

> >>>> > we

> >>>> > > >> star

> >>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>>

 

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

> >>> protection around

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >>

 

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

> >>> protection around

> >>>> > > >>

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> >>>> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > Prashantkumar G B

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> >>>

> >>>> > group

> >>>> > > but

> >>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

> > mail

> >>> or phone.

> >>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

> >>>> > > 09840051861

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out

the

> >>> handy

> >>>> > changes to

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> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Ranjan ji

 

Please do not use disclaimers / caution in your mail. i read with very open mind and do not take anything personally. You have all the liberty to correct my line of thought on astrological subject.

 

Yes, I understood the whole ethos of remedies and how it needs to be told, observed and monitored too. Ranjan ji, I may sound very confused on this remedies. In fact, I am more bothered about the way, long random prescriptions are written and also wonder, if anyone can really assess of they are required and working. The event, you shared in the mail - narrates it all very well.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

 

 

>

> jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:05:50 -0000

>

> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>

> Please do not take this wrongly or as a criticism but just as open

> exchange of thoughts between two individuals who have known each

> other for several years, albeit intermittently.

>

> Based on what our training (non-astrological), profession and mind-

> set is and it can be a very complex mixture of facts and emotions and

> learning --

>

> Some of the jyotishis tend to look at jyotish as a fluid reality,

> where rules are less rigid and meld into one another.

>

> Others come at it with more rigid expectations and expect rules to be

> absolute and tend to blame the jyotishi for any wrong predictions =

> mistakes, but never JYOTISH!

>

> Then the level goes one level higher. When we start talking about

> karma and mantras and remedies and so on.

>

> This is yet another level of approximation and thus even more fluid

> and uncertain, but those trained in rituals and the rigidity of same

> may be already set in their thinking. These are the individuals who

> get tougher on their clients if their first prescription does not

> work. They tend to blame the client and their inappropriate following

> of the rituals!

>

> Not to confuse the issue, I have a very real anecdote to share. There

> is a very good friend who lives in another country. He was having

> some problems and I recommended fasting on saturdays and he began

> doing that in real earnest (this began some 15 years ago). During the

> last fifteen years, he ran into a very accomplished local saint who

> had siddhis. My friend, I am assuming based on his guru's advice

> started doing some pooja which he does each evening. He has had many

> major successes but also major problems in these years! At a point a

> couple of years ago when I was visiting him (he lives in another

> country), my jaws fell when on a Saturday after a day-long fast and

> pooja and so on, this individual poured an alcoholic drink for

> himself. He has a very stressful life and when asked, he said that he

> had been drinking on saturdays (and some other days too) all this

> time!

>

> Now where do we go from here? Were his successes due to the fasting?

> And his problems due to desecreting the fast with his indulgence in

> alcohol on that day?

>

> To make things more interesting, on someone else's advice, this

> individual had been wearing a neelam on the tarjani (index finger,

> sun's finger) for sometime, earlier! I had commented and expressed my

> discomfort over that a while ago. He does not wear that anymore but

> does not have a really clear recollection of that! His is a very busy

> and high stress/high activity profession.

>

> The bottom-line? It is best to advice others about remedies in

> situations where you can see what they are doing and certainly not in

> the causal internet advice situation. You never know how or where the

> advice will go, given free or for a cost!

>

> RR

>

>

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji

>>

>> Very well said.

>>

>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the remedies

> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra is

> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting

> system for shani / ketu.

>>

>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary

> factor.

>>

>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for each

> person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started with the

> confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is required (I mean if

> the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed the dosha?)

> and if these remedies work at specific age / transit / dasha /

> planetary age (like mars at 28 etc).

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> panditarjun2004

>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>

>>> dear friends

>>>

>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells well

>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the

>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again,

>>> periodically in all groups.

>>>

>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for

>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully.

>>>

>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that

>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by ALL

>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions.

>>>

>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other religions

> DO

>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a

> person

>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions,

> these

>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as

> devotees

>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like prafulla

>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih both

>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains along

>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which are

>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow,

>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran.

>>>

>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies

> with

>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers,

> chartered

>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law

>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the PRESENT

>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when

> comes

>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not

>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from

> orient

>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present

>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale is

>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any

>>> religious person.

>>>

>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal

> expereinces

>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately in

>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and try

>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not get

>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it.

> similarly

>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and

> hence

>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best

>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to

> alcohol

>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get

> it.

>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his

> being

>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and start

>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and

> has

>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his ancestors,

> he

>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his previous

>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins which

> is

>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and are

>>> personal observations and not rules or principles.

>>>

>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal

>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so

> that

>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular remedy

>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many people

>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot

>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved best

>>> for crores of people without any such allergies.

>>>

>>> with best wishes

>>> pandit arjun

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

>>>>

>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by

> any

>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>>>

>>>>> Sir,

>>>>>

>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your

>>>>> goodself has mentioned.

>>>>>

>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if done

>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last

>>>>> 2 decades.

>>>>>

>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope,

>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with own

>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors

>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting

> regularly)

>>>>>

>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the house.

>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female members

>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure longlife

>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

>>>>>

>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above,

>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

>>>>>

>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though

> indirectly.

>>>>> Thank You.

>>>>>

>>>>> Regards,

>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B

>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Prafulla

>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM between

>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for diff

>>>>> planets

>>>>>>

>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives

>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

>>> diorders.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help for

>>> many

>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation

>>>>>>

>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on

> respirotary

>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother religious

>>> works

>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is

>>> prescribed,

>>>>> right now we can go on what is available.

>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them so

>>> did

>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine systems

>>> to get

>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too who

>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do try

>>> whole

>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as

>>> breathing.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know muslims

>>> who

>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was a

>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a

>>> look in

>>>>> archives.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>>>> wrote: Dear

> Shri

>>>>> Kumar ji

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me):

>>>>>>

>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for the

>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

>>> strengtht to

>>>>> find realistic solutions

>>>>>>

>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, if

>>> any.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as possible,

>>> must

>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting

>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more authentic

>>>>> remedies

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the

>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the

>>> planet.

>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) -

>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit more

>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment little

>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may

> tone

>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping up

>>> with

>>>>> challenges.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and

> we

>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4

>>> tantra

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > Prafulla,

>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r

>>> offshoots

>>>>> of

>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil

>>> design

>>>>> or black

>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped

>>> in

>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch

>>> the

>>>>> rise of

>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have

>>> very

>>>>> intense

>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in tantras

>>> (do

>>>>> not mix

>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

>>> and

>>>>> we star in

>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

>>> 23/27 -2

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > Prafulla,

>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not

>>>>> bbeong done or

>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or

>>> child

>>>>> or huam

>>>>>> > so

>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was excessive

>>>>> balis then

>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if

>>> there

>>>>> was no

>>>>>> > rain or

>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons.

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

>>>>> Jainism, Budhism,

>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific

>>> religion,

>>>>> then why

>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

>>>>> something which

>>>>>> > is

>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory,

> religion

>>>>> etc).

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

>>> it,

>>>>> and we star

>>>>>> > in

>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@

>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with

>>> more

>>>>> food for

>>>>>> > > > thought.

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry

>>> dear

>>>>> tolerant

>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

>>> religious/non-

>>>>> ritual

>>>>>> > type

>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to

>>>>> notice the

>>>>>> > strength

>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive

>>> mother

>>>>> to do her

>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father

>>> scientist

>>>>> manager

>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

>>>>> scriptures such as

>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively

>>>>> tuning into

>>>>>> > that

>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core

>>> scientist

>>>>> and one of

>>>>>> > the

>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known,

>>> europe

>>>>> trained and

>>>>>> > all

>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall

>>> next

>>>>> to his bed

>>>>>> > for

>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

>>> Ramakrishna

>>>>> in the next

>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man

>>> always

>>>>>> > pooh-poohed

>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never

> really

>>>>> stopped me

>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful

>>> at a

>>>>> few things

>>>>>> > in

>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was

>>> a

>>>>> moment when

>>>>>> > I

>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

>>>>> miscellany quizzes

>>>>>> > in

>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed

>>> it

>>>>> to him. He

>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today!

>>> One of

>>>>> his

>>>>>> > favourite

>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately

>>>>> most of us do

>>>>>> > not

>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that.

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has

>>> much

>>>>> more power

>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is

>>> FLEXIBLE,

>>>>> it

>>>>>> > respects

>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through

>>> each

>>>>> and every

>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the

>>> fullest

>>>>>> > expression of

>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully

>>> enjoying

>>>>> those,

>>>>>> > never

>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > RR

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > , srinivasa

>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir

>>>>>> > > >> A few more words-

>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

>>>>> cosmological

>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God

>>> reveals

>>>>> himself

>>>>>> > in

>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and

>>> Shiva

>>>>> along with

>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and

>>>>> others like

>>>>>> > Shirdi

>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus

> Christ,Prophet

>>>>> Mohammed etc

>>>>>> > all

>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for

>>>>> bringing in the

>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony.

>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout

> by

>>>>> selfish

>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain

> false

>>>>> sympathy and

>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more

>>> personal

>>>>> or for a

>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The

>>> people

>>>>> (some)

>>>>>> > are

>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae

> theselves

>>>>> are not

>>>>>> > > bothering

>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the

>>>>> question is the

>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of

> creativeness

>>>>> and freedom

>>>>>> > of

>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married

>>> 8

>>>>> women and

>>>>>> > gave

>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the

>>> truth

>>>>> was never

>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the

>>>>> importance of

>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of

>>>>> TheDivine even

>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as

>>> truth

>>>>> that jesus

>>>>>> > was

>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in

>>> the

>>>>> name of

>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the

>>> truth.Some

>>>>> day we

>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on

>>>>> which we're

>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish

>>> desires

>>>>> these

>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

>>> religious

>>>>>> > tenets.We'll

>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without

>>>>> warning.So

>>>>>> > please

>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of

>>>>> expression media

>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

>>>>> boundaries.

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> regards

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> srinivas

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

>>>>>> > > >> Sri,

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your

>>> message

>>>>> but when

>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image

>>> of

>>>>> a Kind and

>>>>>> > > > Wise

>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best

>>> interests

>>>>>> > (actually

>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have

>>> stood

>>>>> all

>>>>>> > religions

>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would

>>> they

>>>>> still be

>>>>>> > here?

>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that

>>> has

>>>>> been

>>>>>> > > > associated

>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another.

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with

>>> some

>>>>>> > difficulty!

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> RR

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> , srinivasa

>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members,

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on

> the

>>>>> sermon

>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

>>> particular

>>>>> mantra(when

>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done

>>> based

>>>>> on saatwik

>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya

>>> or

>>>>> Other

>>>>>> > Revered

>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if

> prescribed

>>>>> mantra is

>>>>>> > the

>>>>>> > > > apt

>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to

>>> a

>>>>> proper

>>>>>> > person

>>>>>> > > > at

>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such that

>>> the

>>>>> native

>>>>>> > gets

>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner

>>> fortitude

>>>>> to

>>>>>> > withstand

>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without

> letting

>>>>> him loose

>>>>>> > his

>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our

>>> work

>>>>> spot if we

>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will

>>>>> solve himself

>>>>>> > > > (if

>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will

>>>>> direct us to

>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

>>>>> authorised one).

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> regards

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation.

> The

>>>>> quick remedy

>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for

>>> shani,

>>>>> mars,

>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu

>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example -

>>>>> jyotishi

>>>>>> > suggest

>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense?

>>> and if

>>>>> the

>>>>>> > native

>>>>>> > > > is

>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's

>>>>> pooja; then

>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then

>>> it

>>>>> must also

>>>>>> > be

>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction

> etc

>>>>> can be

>>>>>> > remedied

>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or

> say

>>>>> which dasha

>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke

>>>>> powers) require

>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all

>>> the

>>>>> people

>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals

>>> well.

>>>>> and if

>>>>>> > does

>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard

>>> excuse

>>>>> for the

>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined

>>> vidhi of

>>>>> surya

>>>>>> > naman

>>>>>> > > > (

>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

>>> circumstances),

>>>>> offering

>>>>>> > > > water

>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I

>>> do

>>>>> not think,

>>>>>> > > > the

>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to

>>> help

>>>>> without

>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do

> we

>>>>> know, if the

>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required

>>> any

>>>>> more?

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>> produce

>>>>> it, and we

>>>>>> > > > star

>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members,

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at

>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya

>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a

>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

>>> proffessor ,told

>>>>> us

>>>>>> > students

>>>>>> > > > a

>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

>>>>> remedies,without

>>>>>> > > > knowledge,

>>>>>> > > >> its

>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of

>>> this

>>>>>> > statement

>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

>>> forthcoming

>>>>> or news

>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is

>>>>> suggested. Also

>>>>>> > > > it

>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer,

>>> when he

>>>>> suggests

>>>>>> > so

>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying.

>>> For

>>>>> eg.for

>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to

> do

>>>>> pooja of

>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi,

>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the

> shakti

>>>>> may be one,

>>>>>> > > > but

>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like

>>> sattwa,

>>>>> tamas or

>>>>>> > > >> rajas.

>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ?

>>> Also

>>>>> at times

>>>>>> > > > stones

>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the

> divine

>>>>> couloured

>>>>>> > rays

>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case

>>> solidified

>>>>>> > state),also

>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested

>>>>> wrongly.

>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha

>>>>> lord, some for

>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

>>> suggesting

>>>>> the stone

>>>>>> > at

>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results

>>>>> also which

>>>>>> > > > would

>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For

>>> ex.Libra

>>>>>> > > > native.Will

>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only

>>>>> experience

>>>>>> > from

>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge.

>>> Talking of

>>>>> mantras,

>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi

>>> munis

>>>>> of ancient

>>>>>> > > >> times

>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple

> recite

>>>>> the mantra

>>>>>> > in

>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same

>>>>> mantra

>>>>>> > wrongly,

>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course

> they

>>>>> had the

>>>>>> > power

>>>>>> > > > to

>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then,

> but

>>>>> what about

>>>>>> > us

>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long,

>>> but

>>>>> the point

>>>>>> > > > is,

>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

>>> remedies.

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>> regards,

>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>> ,

> Prafulla

>>>>> Gang

>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@>

>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote:

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so

>>> please

>>>>> do not

>>>>>> > > > misread

>>>>>> > > >> me.

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations,

>>> curses

>>>>> etc in a

>>>>>> > > > chart

>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per

> his

>>>>> experience).

>>>>>> > > >> Native

>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy

>>> (may

>>>>> be

>>>>>> > > > alternative

>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or

>>>>> unknowlingly

>>>>>> > > > (for

>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy

>>> for

>>>>> rahu /

>>>>>> > > > ketu;

>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without

>>> thinking

>>>>> it as

>>>>>> > remedy

>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

>>> recommendation

>>>>> of

>>>>>> > > > remedies,

>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily

>>>>> routine etc.

>>>>>> > > >> Should

>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically -

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the

> curse /

>>>>> affliction

>>>>>> > > >> related

>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at

>>> respective

>>>>> planetary

>>>>>> > > >> ages

>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered

>>> to

>>>>> be fully

>>>>>> > > > done

>>>>>> > > >> or

>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like.

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice

>>> of

>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially

>>> around

>>>>> mantras.

>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be

>>> in

>>>>> line with

>>>>>> > > >> native's

>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc

>>> involve

>>>>> lots of

>>>>>> > > >> rituals

>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment

>>> of

>>>>> its need

>>>>>> > is

>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so

>>>>> casually by

>>>>>> > > > fellow

>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list

>>>>> astrologers)

>>>>>> > and

>>>>>> > > >> to a

>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for

> getting

>>>>> into

>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>> produce

>>>>> it, and

>>>>>> > we

>>>>>> > > >> star

>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>>

>

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

>>>>> protection around

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

>>> removed]

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >>

>

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

>>>>> protection around

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been

>>> removed]

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > Prashantkumar G B

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>>>>>

>>>>>> > group

>>>>>> > > but

>>>>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

>>> mail

>>>>> or phone.

>>>>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

>>>>>> > > 09840051861

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out

> the

>>>>> handy

>>>>>> > changes to

>>>>>> > > .

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Prafulla,

 

Let me state it upfront! If there is one person who is not confused

on this forum -- it is you!

 

You must have noticed my reluctance at giving mantras and gemstones

and other 'devices' or 'object-type remedies' on the internet in

messages and readings. It is not because I am against such remedies

or have not experienced their efficacy in my life or in those of

others!

 

When even the sacredness of something as simple as 'fasting' which to

a hindu automatically relates to sacred, religious ambience -- can be

confused by someone who is religious, does poojas daily and has a

sadguru, then one wonders where most of the remedial advice we glibly

post on forums ends up! And why these posters continue to post again

and again?

 

At times, the multiple requests arise from individuals who really do

not have faith in astrology or a given astrologer and are just

fishing for readings that may justify their dreams or what they think

they deserve! Sooner or later, they will meet their destiny! In the

form of an astrologer, or a psychic or a saint! For their sake, I

hope it is the latter and a real one!

 

RR

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Ranjan ji

>

> Please do not use disclaimers / caution in your mail. i read with

very open mind and do not take anything personally. You have all the

liberty to correct my line of thought on astrological subject.

>

> Yes, I understood the whole ethos of remedies and how it needs to

be told, observed and monitored too. Ranjan ji, I may sound very

confused on this remedies. In fact, I am more bothered about the way,

long random prescriptions are written and also wonder, if anyone can

really assess of they are required and working. The event, you shared

in the mail - narrates it all very well.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>

>

> >

> > jyotish_vani

> > Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:05:50 -0000

> >

> > Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

> >

> > Dear Prafulla,

> >

> > Please do not take this wrongly or as a criticism but just as open

> > exchange of thoughts between two individuals who have known each

> > other for several years, albeit intermittently.

> >

> > Based on what our training (non-astrological), profession and

mind-

> > set is and it can be a very complex mixture of facts and emotions

and

> > learning --

> >

> > Some of the jyotishis tend to look at jyotish as a fluid reality,

> > where rules are less rigid and meld into one another.

> >

> > Others come at it with more rigid expectations and expect rules

to be

> > absolute and tend to blame the jyotishi for any wrong predictions

=

> > mistakes, but never JYOTISH!

> >

> > Then the level goes one level higher. When we start talking about

> > karma and mantras and remedies and so on.

> >

> > This is yet another level of approximation and thus even more

fluid

> > and uncertain, but those trained in rituals and the rigidity of

same

> > may be already set in their thinking. These are the individuals

who

> > get tougher on their clients if their first prescription does not

> > work. They tend to blame the client and their inappropriate

following

> > of the rituals!

> >

> > Not to confuse the issue, I have a very real anecdote to share.

There

> > is a very good friend who lives in another country. He was having

> > some problems and I recommended fasting on saturdays and he began

> > doing that in real earnest (this began some 15 years ago). During

the

> > last fifteen years, he ran into a very accomplished local saint

who

> > had siddhis. My friend, I am assuming based on his guru's advice

> > started doing some pooja which he does each evening. He has had

many

> > major successes but also major problems in these years! At a

point a

> > couple of years ago when I was visiting him (he lives in another

> > country), my jaws fell when on a Saturday after a day-long fast

and

> > pooja and so on, this individual poured an alcoholic drink for

> > himself. He has a very stressful life and when asked, he said

that he

> > had been drinking on saturdays (and some other days too) all this

> > time!

> >

> > Now where do we go from here? Were his successes due to the

fasting?

> > And his problems due to desecreting the fast with his indulgence

in

> > alcohol on that day?

> >

> > To make things more interesting, on someone else's advice, this

> > individual had been wearing a neelam on the tarjani (index finger,

> > sun's finger) for sometime, earlier! I had commented and

expressed my

> > discomfort over that a while ago. He does not wear that anymore

but

> > does not have a really clear recollection of that! His is a very

busy

> > and high stress/high activity profession.

> >

> > The bottom-line? It is best to advice others about remedies in

> > situations where you can see what they are doing and certainly

not in

> > the causal internet advice situation. You never know how or where

the

> > advice will go, given free or for a cost!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Pandit Arjun ji

> >>

> >> Very well said.

> >>

> >> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the

remedies

> > in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra

is

> > one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting

> > system for shani / ketu.

> >>

> >> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary

> > factor.

> >>

> >> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for

each

> > person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started with

the

> > confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is required (I mean

if

> > the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed the

dosha?)

> > and if these remedies work at specific age / transit / dasha /

> > planetary age (like mars at 28 etc).

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> panditarjun2004@

> >>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000

> >>>

> >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

> >>>

> >>> dear friends

> >>>

> >>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells

well

> >>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the

> >>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again,

> >>> periodically in all groups.

> >>>

> >>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for

> >>> removing an evil and got that done successfully.

> >>>

> >>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that

> >>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by

ALL

> >>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions.

> >>>

> >>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other religions

> > DO

> >>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a

> > person

> >>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions,

> > these

> >>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as

> > devotees

> >>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like

prafulla

> >>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih

both

> >>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains

along

> >>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which

are

> >>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

> >>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow,

> >>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran.

> >>>

> >>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies

> > with

> >>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers,

> > chartered

> >>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law

> >>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the PRESENT

> >>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when

> > comes

> >>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not

> >>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from

> > orient

> >>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present

> >>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale is

> >>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any

> >>> religious person.

> >>>

> >>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal

> > expereinces

> >>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately

in

> >>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and

try

> >>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not get

> >>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it.

> > similarly

> >>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and

> > hence

> >>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best

> >>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to

> > alcohol

> >>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get

> > it.

> >>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his

> > being

> >>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and

start

> >>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and

> > has

> >>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his ancestors,

> > he

> >>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his

previous

> >>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins which

> > is

> >>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and

are

> >>> personal observations and not rules or principles.

> >>>

> >>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal

> >>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so

> > that

> >>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular

remedy

> >>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many

people

> >>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

> >>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot

> >>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved

best

> >>> for crores of people without any such allergies.

> >>>

> >>> with best wishes

> >>> pandit arjun

> >>> , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

> >>>>

> >>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by

> > any

> >>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

> >>>>

> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>

> >>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

> >>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Sir,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your

> >>>>> goodself has mentioned.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if done

> >>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

> >>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last

> >>>>> 2 decades.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope,

> >>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with own

> >>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors

> >>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting

> > regularly)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the

house.

> >>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female

members

> >>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure

longlife

> >>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above,

> >>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though

> > indirectly.

> >>>>> Thank You.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Regards,

> >>>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B

> >>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Prafulla

> >>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM

between

> >>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for

diff

> >>>>> planets

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives

> >>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

> >>> diorders.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help

for

> >>> many

> >>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on

> > respirotary

> >>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother religious

> >>> works

> >>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is

> >>> prescribed,

> >>>>> right now we can go on what is available.

> >>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them

so

> >>> did

> >>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine systems

> >>> to get

> >>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too who

> >>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do

try

> >>> whole

> >>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as

> >>> breathing.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know

muslims

> >>> who

> >>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was a

> >>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a

> >>> look in

> >>>>> archives.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> >>>>> wrote: Dear

> > Shri

> >>>>> Kumar ji

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me):

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for

the

> >>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

> >>> strengtht to

> >>>>> find realistic solutions

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role,

if

> >>> any.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as

possible,

> >>> must

> >>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting

> >>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more

authentic

> >>>>> remedies

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the

> >>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the

> >>> planet.

> >>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) -

> >>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit more

> >>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment

little

> >>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may

> > tone

> >>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping

up

> >>> with

> >>>>> challenges.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and

> > we

> >>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> >

> >>>>>> > gbp_kumar@

> >>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

> >>>>>> >

> >>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4

> >>> tantra

> >>>>>> >

> >>>>>> > Prafulla,

> >>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r

> >>> offshoots

> >>>>> of

> >>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil

> >>> design

> >>>>> or black

> >>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

> >>>>>> >

> >>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

> >>>>>> >

> >>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and

helped

> >>> in

> >>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to

watch

> >>> the

> >>>>> rise of

> >>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have

> >>> very

> >>>>> intense

> >>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in

tantras

> >>> (do

> >>>>> not mix

> >>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

> >>>>>> >

> >>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

> >>>>>> >

> >>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>> >

> >>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

> >>> and

> >>>>> we star in

> >>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>>>> >

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@

> >>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

> >>> 23/27 -2

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > > Prafulla,

> >>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r

not

> >>>>> bbeong done or

> >>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or

> >>> child

> >>>>> or huam

> >>>>>> > so

> >>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was

excessive

> >>>>> balis then

> >>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if

> >>> there

> >>>>> was no

> >>>>>> > rain or

> >>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons.

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

> >>>>> Jainism, Budhism,

> >>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific

> >>> religion,

> >>>>> then why

> >>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

> >>>>> something which

> >>>>>> > is

> >>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory,

> > religion

> >>>>> etc).

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

> >>> it,

> >>>>> and we star

> >>>>>> > in

> >>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@

> >>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with

> >>> more

> >>>>> food for

> >>>>>> > > > thought.

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am

sorry

> >>> dear

> >>>>> tolerant

> >>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

> >>> religious/non-

> >>>>> ritual

> >>>>>> > type

> >>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to

> >>>>> notice the

> >>>>>> > strength

> >>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive

> >>> mother

> >>>>> to do her

> >>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father

> >>> scientist

> >>>>> manager

> >>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

> >>>>> scriptures such as

> >>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively

> >>>>> tuning into

> >>>>>> > that

> >>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core

> >>> scientist

> >>>>> and one of

> >>>>>> > the

> >>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known,

> >>> europe

> >>>>> trained and

> >>>>>> > all

> >>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall

> >>> next

> >>>>> to his bed

> >>>>>> > for

> >>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

> >>> Ramakrishna

> >>>>> in the next

> >>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man

> >>> always

> >>>>>> > pooh-poohed

> >>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never

> > really

> >>>>> stopped me

> >>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful

> >>> at a

> >>>>> few things

> >>>>>> > in

> >>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There

was

> >>> a

> >>>>> moment when

> >>>>>> > I

> >>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

> >>>>> miscellany quizzes

> >>>>>> > in

> >>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly

showed

> >>> it

> >>>>> to him. He

> >>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today!

> >>> One of

> >>>>> his

> >>>>>> > favourite

> >>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception!

Unfortunately

> >>>>> most of us do

> >>>>>> > not

> >>>>>> > > > come to terms with that.

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has

> >>> much

> >>>>> more power

> >>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is

> >>> FLEXIBLE,

> >>>>> it

> >>>>>> > respects

> >>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades

through

> >>> each

> >>>>> and every

> >>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the

> >>> fullest

> >>>>>> > expression of

> >>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully

> >>> enjoying

> >>>>> those,

> >>>>>> > never

> >>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > > RR

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>> > > > ,

srinivasa

> >>>>> murthy adavi

> >>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir

> >>>>>> > > >> A few more words-

> >>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

> >>>>> cosmological

> >>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God

> >>> reveals

> >>>>> himself

> >>>>>> > in

> >>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

> >>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and

> >>> Shiva

> >>>>> along with

> >>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva

etc,and

> >>>>> others like

> >>>>>> > Shirdi

> >>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus

> > Christ,Prophet

> >>>>> Mohammed etc

> >>>>>> > all

> >>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for

> >>>>> bringing in the

> >>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony.

> >>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout

> > by

> >>>>> selfish

> >>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain

> > false

> >>>>> sympathy and

> >>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more

> >>> personal

> >>>>> or for a

> >>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

> >>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The

> >>> people

> >>>>> (some)

> >>>>>> > are

> >>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae

> > theselves

> >>>>> are not

> >>>>>> > > bothering

> >>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the

> >>>>> question is the

> >>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of

> > creativeness

> >>>>> and freedom

> >>>>>> > of

> >>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna

married

> >>> 8

> >>>>> women and

> >>>>>> > gave

> >>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the

> >>> truth

> >>>>> was never

> >>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the

> >>>>> importance of

> >>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of

> >>>>> TheDivine even

> >>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as

> >>> truth

> >>>>> that jesus

> >>>>>> > was

> >>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty

(in

> >>> the

> >>>>> name of

> >>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the

> >>> truth.Some

> >>>>> day we

> >>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch

on

> >>>>> which we're

> >>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish

> >>> desires

> >>>>> these

> >>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

> >>> religious

> >>>>>> > tenets.We'll

> >>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami

without

> >>>>> warning.So

> >>>>>> > please

> >>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of

> >>>>> expression media

> >>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

> >>>>> boundaries.

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > > >> regards

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > > >> srinivas

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >>>>>> > > >> Sri,

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your

> >>> message

> >>>>> but when

> >>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the

image

> >>> of

> >>>>> a Kind and

> >>>>>> > > > Wise

> >>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best

> >>> interests

> >>>>>> > (actually

> >>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have

> >>> stood

> >>>>> all

> >>>>>> > religions

> >>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would

> >>> they

> >>>>> still be

> >>>>>> > here?

> >>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity

that

> >>> has

> >>>>> been

> >>>>>> > > > associated

> >>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or

another.

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though

with

> >>> some

> >>>>>> > difficulty!

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > > >> RR

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > > >> ,

srinivasa

> >>>>> murthy adavi

> >>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members,

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on

> > the

> >>>>> sermon

> >>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

> >>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

> >>> particular

> >>>>> mantra(when

> >>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done

> >>> based

> >>>>> on saatwik

> >>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH

AdiSankaracharya

> >>> or

> >>>>> Other

> >>>>>> > Revered

> >>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if

> > prescribed

> >>>>> mantra is

> >>>>>> > the

> >>>>>> > > > apt

> >>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead

to

> >>> a

> >>>>> proper

> >>>>>> > person

> >>>>>> > > > at

> >>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such

that

> >>> the

> >>>>> native

> >>>>>> > gets

> >>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner

> >>> fortitude

> >>>>> to

> >>>>>> > withstand

> >>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without

> > letting

> >>>>> him loose

> >>>>>> > his

> >>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our

> >>> work

> >>>>> spot if we

> >>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he

will

> >>>>> solve himself

> >>>>>> > > > (if

> >>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he

will

> >>>>> direct us to

> >>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

> >>>>> authorised one).

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>> regards

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>> srinivas

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation.

> > The

> >>>>> quick remedy

> >>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for

> >>> shani,

> >>>>> mars,

> >>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu

> >>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example -

> >>>>> jyotishi

> >>>>>> > suggest

> >>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense?

> >>> and if

> >>>>> the

> >>>>>> > native

> >>>>>> > > > is

> >>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's

> >>>>> pooja; then

> >>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy,

then

> >>> it

> >>>>> must also

> >>>>>> > be

> >>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction

> > etc

> >>>>> can be

> >>>>>> > remedied

> >>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or

> > say

> >>>>> which dasha

> >>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke

> >>>>> powers) require

> >>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not

all

> >>> the

> >>>>> people

> >>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals

> >>> well.

> >>>>> and if

> >>>>>> > does

> >>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard

> >>> excuse

> >>>>> for the

> >>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined

> >>> vidhi of

> >>>>> surya

> >>>>>> > naman

> >>>>>> > > > (

> >>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

> >>> circumstances),

> >>>>> offering

> >>>>>> > > > water

> >>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja

etc. I

> >>> do

> >>>>> not think,

> >>>>>> > > > the

> >>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to

> >>> help

> >>>>> without

> >>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do

> > we

> >>>>> know, if the

> >>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required

> >>> any

> >>>>> more?

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> >>> produce

> >>>>> it, and we

> >>>>>> > > > star

> >>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

> >>>>>> > > >>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

> >>>>>> > > >>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members,

> >>>>>> > > >>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at

> >>>>> Bhartiya Vidya

> >>>>>> > > >> mandir, a

> >>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

> >>> proffessor ,told

> >>>>> us

> >>>>>> > students

> >>>>>> > > > a

> >>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

> >>>>> remedies,without

> >>>>>> > > > knowledge,

> >>>>>> > > >> its

> >>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times,

of

> >>> this

> >>>>>> > statement

> >>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

> >>> forthcoming

> >>>>> or news

> >>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is

> >>>>> suggested. Also

> >>>>>> > > > it

> >>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer,

> >>> when he

> >>>>> suggests

> >>>>>> > so

> >>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is

saying.

> >>> For

> >>>>> eg.for

> >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to

> > do

> >>>>> pooja of

> >>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi,

> >>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the

> > shakti

> >>>>> may be one,

> >>>>>> > > > but

> >>>>>> > > >> the

> >>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like

> >>> sattwa,

> >>>>> tamas or

> >>>>>> > > >> rajas.

> >>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ?

> >>> Also

> >>>>> at times

> >>>>>> > > > stones

> >>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the

> > divine

> >>>>> couloured

> >>>>>> > rays

> >>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case

> >>> solidified

> >>>>>> > state),also

> >>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if

suggested

> >>>>> wrongly.

> >>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for

Mahadasha

> >>>>> lord, some for

> >>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

> >>> suggesting

> >>>>> the stone

> >>>>>> > at

> >>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric

results

> >>>>> also which

> >>>>>> > > > would

> >>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For

> >>> ex.Libra

> >>>>>> > > > native.Will

> >>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native?

Only

> >>>>> experience

> >>>>>> > from

> >>>>>> > > >> the

> >>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge.

> >>> Talking of

> >>>>> mantras,

> >>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi

> >>> munis

> >>>>> of ancient

> >>>>>> > > >> times

> >>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple

> > recite

> >>>>> the mantra

> >>>>>> > in

> >>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the

same

> >>>>> mantra

> >>>>>> > wrongly,

> >>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course

> > they

> >>>>> had the

> >>>>>> > power

> >>>>>> > > > to

> >>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then,

> > but

> >>>>> what about

> >>>>>> > us

> >>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for

long,

> >>> but

> >>>>> the point

> >>>>>> > > > is,

> >>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

> >>> remedies.

> >>>>>> > > >>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>> regards,

> >>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>>> > > >>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>> ,

> > Prafulla

> >>>>> Gang

> >>>>>> > > > <jyotish@>

> >>>>>> > > >>>> wrote:

> >>>>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

> >>>>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so

> >>> please

> >>>>> do not

> >>>>>> > > > misread

> >>>>>> > > >> me.

> >>>>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations,

> >>> curses

> >>>>> etc in a

> >>>>>> > > > chart

> >>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per

> > his

> >>>>> experience).

> >>>>>> > > >> Native

> >>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy

> >>> (may

> >>>>> be

> >>>>>> > > > alternative

> >>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly

or

> >>>>> unknowlingly

> >>>>>> > > > (for

> >>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful

remedy

> >>> for

> >>>>> rahu /

> >>>>>> > > > ketu;

> >>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without

> >>> thinking

> >>>>> it as

> >>>>>> > remedy

> >>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

> >>> recommendation

> >>>>> of

> >>>>>> > > > remedies,

> >>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events /

daily

> >>>>> routine etc.

> >>>>>> > > >> Should

> >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this -

Specifically -

> >>>>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the

> > curse /

> >>>>> affliction

> >>>>>> > > >> related

> >>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

> >>>>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at

> >>> respective

> >>>>> planetary

> >>>>>> > > >> ages

> >>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are

considered

> >>> to

> >>>>> be fully

> >>>>>> > > > done

> >>>>>> > > >> or

> >>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist

like.

> >>>>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good

practice

> >>> of

> >>>>> suggesting

> >>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially

> >>> around

> >>>>> mantras.

> >>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must

be

> >>> in

> >>>>> line with

> >>>>>> > > >> native's

> >>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc

> >>> involve

> >>>>> lots of

> >>>>>> > > >> rituals

> >>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

> >>>>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and

assessment

> >>> of

> >>>>> its need

> >>>>>> > is

> >>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so

> >>>>> casually by

> >>>>>> > > > fellow

> >>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list

> >>>>> astrologers)

> >>>>>> > and

> >>>>>> > > >> to a

> >>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for

> > getting

> >>>>> into

> >>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

> >>>>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> >>> produce

> >>>>> it, and

> >>>>>> > we

> >>>>>> > > >> star

> >>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

> >>>>> protection around

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> >>> removed]

> >>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >

> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

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> >>>>>> > > >>

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > > Prashantkumar G B

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> > group

> >>>>>> > > but

> >>>>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

> >>> mail

> >>>>> or phone.

> >>>>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

> >>>>>> > > 09840051861

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out

> > the

> >>>>> handy

> >>>>>> > changes to

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> >>>>>> > >

> >>>>>> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Ranjan ji

 

Many thanks for kind words.

 

It took me quite a mails to reach this point on the thread, and you hit the nail, where I wanted to be. The way remedies / readings are given and taken, makes me wonder if it is doing any good to astrological community (jyotishi, jyotish student, people interested in free / random reading).

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

 

 

>

> jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:36:46 -0000

>

> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>

> Let me state it upfront! If there is one person who is not confused

> on this forum -- it is you!

>

> You must have noticed my reluctance at giving mantras and gemstones

> and other 'devices' or 'object-type remedies' on the internet in

> messages and readings. It is not because I am against such remedies

> or have not experienced their efficacy in my life or in those of

> others!

>

> When even the sacredness of something as simple as 'fasting' which to

> a hindu automatically relates to sacred, religious ambience -- can be

> confused by someone who is religious, does poojas daily and has a

> sadguru, then one wonders where most of the remedial advice we glibly

> post on forums ends up! And why these posters continue to post again

> and again?

>

> At times, the multiple requests arise from individuals who really do

> not have faith in astrology or a given astrologer and are just

> fishing for readings that may justify their dreams or what they think

> they deserve! Sooner or later, they will meet their destiny! In the

> form of an astrologer, or a psychic or a saint! For their sake, I

> hope it is the latter and a real one!

>

> RR

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Ranjan ji

>>

>> Please do not use disclaimers / caution in your mail. i read with

> very open mind and do not take anything personally. You have all the

> liberty to correct my line of thought on astrological subject.

>>

>> Yes, I understood the whole ethos of remedies and how it needs to

> be told, observed and monitored too. Ranjan ji, I may sound very

> confused on this remedies. In fact, I am more bothered about the way,

> long random prescriptions are written and also wonder, if anyone can

> really assess of they are required and working. The event, you shared

> in the mail - narrates it all very well.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> jyotish_vani

>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:05:50 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>

>>> Dear Prafulla,

>>>

>>> Please do not take this wrongly or as a criticism but just as open

>>> exchange of thoughts between two individuals who have known each

>>> other for several years, albeit intermittently.

>>>

>>> Based on what our training (non-astrological), profession and

> mind-

>>> set is and it can be a very complex mixture of facts and emotions

> and

>>> learning --

>>>

>>> Some of the jyotishis tend to look at jyotish as a fluid reality,

>>> where rules are less rigid and meld into one another.

>>>

>>> Others come at it with more rigid expectations and expect rules

> to be

>>> absolute and tend to blame the jyotishi for any wrong predictions

> =

>>> mistakes, but never JYOTISH!

>>>

>>> Then the level goes one level higher. When we start talking about

>>> karma and mantras and remedies and so on.

>>>

>>> This is yet another level of approximation and thus even more

> fluid

>>> and uncertain, but those trained in rituals and the rigidity of

> same

>>> may be already set in their thinking. These are the individuals

> who

>>> get tougher on their clients if their first prescription does not

>>> work. They tend to blame the client and their inappropriate

> following

>>> of the rituals!

>>>

>>> Not to confuse the issue, I have a very real anecdote to share.

> There

>>> is a very good friend who lives in another country. He was having

>>> some problems and I recommended fasting on saturdays and he began

>>> doing that in real earnest (this began some 15 years ago). During

> the

>>> last fifteen years, he ran into a very accomplished local saint

> who

>>> had siddhis. My friend, I am assuming based on his guru's advice

>>> started doing some pooja which he does each evening. He has had

> many

>>> major successes but also major problems in these years! At a

> point a

>>> couple of years ago when I was visiting him (he lives in another

>>> country), my jaws fell when on a Saturday after a day-long fast

> and

>>> pooja and so on, this individual poured an alcoholic drink for

>>> himself. He has a very stressful life and when asked, he said

> that he

>>> had been drinking on saturdays (and some other days too) all this

>>> time!

>>>

>>> Now where do we go from here? Were his successes due to the

> fasting?

>>> And his problems due to desecreting the fast with his indulgence

> in

>>> alcohol on that day?

>>>

>>> To make things more interesting, on someone else's advice, this

>>> individual had been wearing a neelam on the tarjani (index finger,

>>> sun's finger) for sometime, earlier! I had commented and

> expressed my

>>> discomfort over that a while ago. He does not wear that anymore

> but

>>> does not have a really clear recollection of that! His is a very

> busy

>>> and high stress/high activity profession.

>>>

>>> The bottom-line? It is best to advice others about remedies in

>>> situations where you can see what they are doing and certainly

> not in

>>> the causal internet advice situation. You never know how or where

> the

>>> advice will go, given free or for a cost!

>>>

>>> RR

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji

>>>>

>>>> Very well said.

>>>>

>>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the

> remedies

>>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra

> is

>>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting

>>> system for shani / ketu.

>>>>

>>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary

>>> factor.

>>>>

>>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for

> each

>>> person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started with

> the

>>> confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is required (I mean

> if

>>> the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed the

> dosha?)

>>> and if these remedies work at specific age / transit / dasha /

>>> planetary age (like mars at 28 etc).

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> panditarjun2004@

>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>>>

>>>>> dear friends

>>>>>

>>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells

> well

>>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the

>>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again,

>>>>> periodically in all groups.

>>>>>

>>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for

>>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully.

>>>>>

>>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that

>>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by

> ALL

>>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions.

>>>>>

>>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other religions

>>> DO

>>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a

>>> person

>>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions,

>>> these

>>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as

>>> devotees

>>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like

> prafulla

>>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih

> both

>>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains

> along

>>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which

> are

>>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

>>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow,

>>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran.

>>>>>

>>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies

>>> with

>>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers,

>>> chartered

>>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law

>>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the PRESENT

>>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when

>>> comes

>>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not

>>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from

>>> orient

>>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present

>>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale is

>>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any

>>>>> religious person.

>>>>>

>>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal

>>> expereinces

>>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately

> in

>>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and

> try

>>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not get

>>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it.

>>> similarly

>>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and

>>> hence

>>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best

>>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to

>>> alcohol

>>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get

>>> it.

>>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his

>>> being

>>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and

> start

>>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and

>>> has

>>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his ancestors,

>>> he

>>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his

> previous

>>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins which

>>> is

>>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and

> are

>>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles.

>>>>>

>>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal

>>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so

>>> that

>>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular

> remedy

>>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many

> people

>>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

>>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot

>>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved

> best

>>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies.

>>>>>

>>>>> with best wishes

>>>>> pandit arjun

>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by

>>> any

>>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sir,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your

>>>>>>> goodself has mentioned.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if done

>>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

>>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last

>>>>>>> 2 decades.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope,

>>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with own

>>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors

>>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting

>>> regularly)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the

> house.

>>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female

> members

>>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure

> longlife

>>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above,

>>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though

>>> indirectly.

>>>>>>> Thank You.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B

>>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Prafulla

>>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM

> between

>>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for

> diff

>>>>>>> planets

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives

>>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

>>>>> diorders.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help

> for

>>>>> many

>>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on

>>> respirotary

>>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother religious

>>>>> works

>>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is

>>>>> prescribed,

>>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available.

>>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them

> so

>>>>> did

>>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine systems

>>>>> to get

>>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too who

>>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do

> try

>>>>> whole

>>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as

>>>>> breathing.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know

> muslims

>>>>> who

>>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was a

>>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a

>>>>> look in

>>>>>>> archives.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>>>>>> wrote: Dear

>>> Shri

>>>>>>> Kumar ji

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me):

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for

> the

>>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

>>>>> strengtht to

>>>>>>> find realistic solutions

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role,

> if

>>>>> any.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as

> possible,

>>>>> must

>>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting

>>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more

> authentic

>>>>>>> remedies

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the

>>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the

>>>>> planet.

>>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) -

>>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit more

>>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment

> little

>>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may

>>> tone

>>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping

> up

>>>>> with

>>>>>>> challenges.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and

>>> we

>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4

>>>>> tantra

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > Prafulla,

>>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r

>>>>> offshoots

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil

>>>>> design

>>>>>>> or black

>>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and

> helped

>>>>> in

>>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to

> watch

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> rise of

>>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have

>>>>> very

>>>>>>> intense

>>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in

> tantras

>>>>> (do

>>>>>>> not mix

>>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

>>>>> and

>>>>>>> we star in

>>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

>>>>> 23/27 -2

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla,

>>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r

> not

>>>>>>> bbeong done or

>>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or

>>>>> child

>>>>>>> or huam

>>>>>>>> > so

>>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was

> excessive

>>>>>>> balis then

>>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if

>>>>> there

>>>>>>> was no

>>>>>>>> > rain or

>>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons.

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

>>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism,

>>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific

>>>>> religion,

>>>>>>> then why

>>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

>>>>>>> something which

>>>>>>>> > is

>>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory,

>>> religion

>>>>>>> etc).

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

>>>>> it,

>>>>>>> and we star

>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@

>>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with

>>>>> more

>>>>>>> food for

>>>>>>>> > > > thought.

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am

> sorry

>>>>> dear

>>>>>>> tolerant

>>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

>>>>> religious/non-

>>>>>>> ritual

>>>>>>>> > type

>>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to

>>>>>>> notice the

>>>>>>>> > strength

>>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive

>>>>> mother

>>>>>>> to do her

>>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father

>>>>> scientist

>>>>>>> manager

>>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

>>>>>>> scriptures such as

>>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively

>>>>>>> tuning into

>>>>>>>> > that

>>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core

>>>>> scientist

>>>>>>> and one of

>>>>>>>> > the

>>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known,

>>>>> europe

>>>>>>> trained and

>>>>>>>> > all

>>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall

>>>>> next

>>>>>>> to his bed

>>>>>>>> > for

>>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

>>>>> Ramakrishna

>>>>>>> in the next

>>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man

>>>>> always

>>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed

>>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never

>>> really

>>>>>>> stopped me

>>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful

>>>>> at a

>>>>>>> few things

>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There

> was

>>>>> a

>>>>>>> moment when

>>>>>>>> > I

>>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

>>>>>>> miscellany quizzes

>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly

> showed

>>>>> it

>>>>>>> to him. He

>>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today!

>>>>> One of

>>>>>>> his

>>>>>>>> > favourite

>>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception!

> Unfortunately

>>>>>>> most of us do

>>>>>>>> > not

>>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that.

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has

>>>>> much

>>>>>>> more power

>>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is

>>>>> FLEXIBLE,

>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>> > respects

>>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades

> through

>>>>> each

>>>>>>> and every

>>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the

>>>>> fullest

>>>>>>>> > expression of

>>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully

>>>>> enjoying

>>>>>>> those,

>>>>>>>> > never

>>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > RR

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > ,

> srinivasa

>>>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir

>>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words-

>>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

>>>>>>> cosmological

>>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God

>>>>> reveals

>>>>>>> himself

>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

>>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and

>>>>> Shiva

>>>>>>> along with

>>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva

> etc,and

>>>>>>> others like

>>>>>>>> > Shirdi

>>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus

>>> Christ,Prophet

>>>>>>> Mohammed etc

>>>>>>>> > all

>>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for

>>>>>>> bringing in the

>>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony.

>>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout

>>> by

>>>>>>> selfish

>>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain

>>> false

>>>>>>> sympathy and

>>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more

>>>>> personal

>>>>>>> or for a

>>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

>>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The

>>>>> people

>>>>>>> (some)

>>>>>>>> > are

>>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae

>>> theselves

>>>>>>> are not

>>>>>>>> > > bothering

>>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the

>>>>>>> question is the

>>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of

>>> creativeness

>>>>>>> and freedom

>>>>>>>> > of

>>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna

> married

>>>>> 8

>>>>>>> women and

>>>>>>>> > gave

>>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the

>>>>> truth

>>>>>>> was never

>>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the

>>>>>>> importance of

>>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of

>>>>>>> TheDivine even

>>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as

>>>>> truth

>>>>>>> that jesus

>>>>>>>> > was

>>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty

> (in

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> name of

>>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the

>>>>> truth.Some

>>>>>>> day we

>>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch

> on

>>>>>>> which we're

>>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish

>>>>> desires

>>>>>>> these

>>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

>>>>> religious

>>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll

>>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami

> without

>>>>>>> warning.So

>>>>>>>> > please

>>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of

>>>>>>> expression media

>>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

>>>>>>> boundaries.

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> regards

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > >> Sri,

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your

>>>>> message

>>>>>>> but when

>>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the

> image

>>>>> of

>>>>>>> a Kind and

>>>>>>>> > > > Wise

>>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best

>>>>> interests

>>>>>>>> > (actually

>>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have

>>>>> stood

>>>>>>> all

>>>>>>>> > religions

>>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would

>>>>> they

>>>>>>> still be

>>>>>>>> > here?

>>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity

> that

>>>>> has

>>>>>>> been

>>>>>>>> > > > associated

>>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or

> another.

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though

> with

>>>>> some

>>>>>>>> > difficulty!

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> RR

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> ,

> srinivasa

>>>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on

>>> the

>>>>>>> sermon

>>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

>>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

>>>>> particular

>>>>>>> mantra(when

>>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done

>>>>> based

>>>>>>> on saatwik

>>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH

> AdiSankaracharya

>>>>> or

>>>>>>> Other

>>>>>>>> > Revered

>>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if

>>> prescribed

>>>>>>> mantra is

>>>>>>>> > the

>>>>>>>> > > > apt

>>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead

> to

>>>>> a

>>>>>>> proper

>>>>>>>> > person

>>>>>>>> > > > at

>>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such

> that

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> native

>>>>>>>> > gets

>>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner

>>>>> fortitude

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> > withstand

>>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without

>>> letting

>>>>>>> him loose

>>>>>>>> > his

>>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our

>>>>> work

>>>>>>> spot if we

>>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he

> will

>>>>>>> solve himself

>>>>>>>> > > > (if

>>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he

> will

>>>>>>> direct us to

>>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

>>>>>>> authorised one).

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation.

>>> The

>>>>>>> quick remedy

>>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for

>>>>> shani,

>>>>>>> mars,

>>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu

>>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example -

>>>>>>> jyotishi

>>>>>>>> > suggest

>>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense?

>>>>> and if

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> > native

>>>>>>>> > > > is

>>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's

>>>>>>> pooja; then

>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy,

> then

>>>>> it

>>>>>>> must also

>>>>>>>> > be

>>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction

>>> etc

>>>>>>> can be

>>>>>>>> > remedied

>>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or

>>> say

>>>>>>> which dasha

>>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke

>>>>>>> powers) require

>>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not

> all

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals

>>>>> well.

>>>>>>> and if

>>>>>>>> > does

>>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard

>>>>> excuse

>>>>>>> for the

>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined

>>>>> vidhi of

>>>>>>> surya

>>>>>>>> > naman

>>>>>>>> > > > (

>>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

>>>>> circumstances),

>>>>>>> offering

>>>>>>>> > > > water

>>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja

> etc. I

>>>>> do

>>>>>>> not think,

>>>>>>>> > > > the

>>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to

>>>>> help

>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do

>>> we

>>>>>>> know, if the

>>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required

>>>>> any

>>>>>>> more?

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>>>> produce

>>>>>>> it, and we

>>>>>>>> > > > star

>>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at

>>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya

>>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

>>>>> proffessor ,told

>>>>>>> us

>>>>>>>> > students

>>>>>>>> > > > a

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

>>>>>>> remedies,without

>>>>>>>> > > > knowledge,

>>>>>>>> > > >> its

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times,

> of

>>>>> this

>>>>>>>> > statement

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

>>>>> forthcoming

>>>>>>> or news

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is

>>>>>>> suggested. Also

>>>>>>>> > > > it

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer,

>>>>> when he

>>>>>>> suggests

>>>>>>>> > so

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is

> saying.

>>>>> For

>>>>>>> eg.for

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to

>>> do

>>>>>>> pooja of

>>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the

>>> shakti

>>>>>>> may be one,

>>>>>>>> > > > but

>>>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like

>>>>> sattwa,

>>>>>>> tamas or

>>>>>>>> > > >> rajas.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ?

>>>>> Also

>>>>>>> at times

>>>>>>>> > > > stones

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the

>>> divine

>>>>>>> couloured

>>>>>>>> > rays

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case

>>>>> solidified

>>>>>>>> > state),also

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if

> suggested

>>>>>>> wrongly.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for

> Mahadasha

>>>>>>> lord, some for

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>>> the stone

>>>>>>>> > at

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric

> results

>>>>>>> also which

>>>>>>>> > > > would

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For

>>>>> ex.Libra

>>>>>>>> > > > native.Will

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native?

> Only

>>>>>>> experience

>>>>>>>> > from

>>>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge.

>>>>> Talking of

>>>>>>> mantras,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi

>>>>> munis

>>>>>>> of ancient

>>>>>>>> > > >> times

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple

>>> recite

>>>>>>> the mantra

>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the

> same

>>>>>>> mantra

>>>>>>>> > wrongly,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course

>>> they

>>>>>>> had the

>>>>>>>> > power

>>>>>>>> > > > to

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then,

>>> but

>>>>>>> what about

>>>>>>>> > us

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for

> long,

>>>>> but

>>>>>>> the point

>>>>>>>> > > > is,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

>>>>> remedies.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> ,

>>> Prafulla

>>>>>>> Gang

>>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so

>>>>> please

>>>>>>> do not

>>>>>>>> > > > misread

>>>>>>>> > > >> me.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations,

>>>>> curses

>>>>>>> etc in a

>>>>>>>> > > > chart

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per

>>> his

>>>>>>> experience).

>>>>>>>> > > >> Native

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy

>>>>> (may

>>>>>>> be

>>>>>>>> > > > alternative

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly

> or

>>>>>>> unknowlingly

>>>>>>>> > > > (for

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful

> remedy

>>>>> for

>>>>>>> rahu /

>>>>>>>> > > > ketu;

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without

>>>>> thinking

>>>>>>> it as

>>>>>>>> > remedy

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

>>>>> recommendation

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>> > > > remedies,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events /

> daily

>>>>>>> routine etc.

>>>>>>>> > > >> Should

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this -

> Specifically -

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the

>>> curse /

>>>>>>> affliction

>>>>>>>> > > >> related

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at

>>>>> respective

>>>>>>> planetary

>>>>>>>> > > >> ages

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are

> considered

>>>>> to

>>>>>>> be fully

>>>>>>>> > > > done

>>>>>>>> > > >> or

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist

> like.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good

> practice

>>>>> of

>>>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially

>>>>> around

>>>>>>> mantras.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must

> be

>>>>> in

>>>>>>> line with

>>>>>>>> > > >> native's

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc

>>>>> involve

>>>>>>> lots of

>>>>>>>> > > >> rituals

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and

> assessment

>>>>> of

>>>>>>> its need

>>>>>>>> > is

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so

>>>>>>> casually by

>>>>>>>> > > > fellow

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list

>>>>>>> astrologers)

>>>>>>>> > and

>>>>>>>> > > >> to a

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for

>>> getting

>>>>>>> into

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>>>> produce

>>>>>>> it, and

>>>>>>>> > we

>>>>>>>> > > >> star

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

>>>>>>> protection around

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

>>>>> removed]

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

>>>>>>> protection around

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been

>>>>> removed]

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > Prashantkumar G B

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> > group

>>>>>>>> > > but

>>>>>>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

>>>>> mail

>>>>>>> or phone.

>>>>>>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

>>>>>>>> > > 09840051861

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out

>>> the

>>>>>>> handy

>>>>>>>> > changes to

>>>>>>>> > > .

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

[Guest guest]

dear friends

 

as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to

present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply

facts, references and past results with various people from which

you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss one

remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we

indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution this

group would have ever got.

 

with best wishes

pandit arjun

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Pandit Arjun ji

>

> Very well said.

>

> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the remedies

in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra is

one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting

system for shani / ketu.

>

> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary

factor.

>

> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for

each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started

with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is required (I

mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed

the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / transit /

dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc).

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>

>

> >

> > panditarjun2004

> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000

> >

> > Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells

well

> > with the objective of this group. this very question on the

> > efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again,

> > periodically in all groups.

> >

> > yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for

> > removing an evil and got that done successfully.

> >

> > coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that

> > remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by ALL

> > religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions.

> >

> > hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other religions

DO

> > RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a

person

> > or for getting something the native wants. in all religions,

these

> > remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as

devotees

> > visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like

prafulla

> > ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih

both

> > white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains

along

> > with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which

are

> > followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

> > information few months ago as to what remedies they follow,

> > notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran.

> >

> > so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies

with

> > or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers,

chartered

> > accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law

> > enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the PRESENT

> > EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when

comes

> > to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not

> > amended and hence gullible people still want references from

orient

> > classics which look insane to a logical person of the present

> > world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale is

> > what required for recommending or following any remedy by any

> > religious person.

> >

> > another factor to note is that one individual's personal

expereinces

> > cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately

in

> > public groups, people express their own views and opinions and

try

> > to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not get

> > positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it.

similarly

> > one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and

hence

> > he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best

> > remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to

alcohol

> > and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get

it.

> > similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his

being

> > pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and

start

> > criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and

has

> > all riches and comforts in the world left away by his ancestors,

he

> > says that he is the only person who did good karma in his

previous

> > birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins which

is

> > why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and are

> > personal observations and not rules or principles.

> >

> > hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal

> > experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so

that

> > we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular remedy

> > along with scriptural references if any and as to how many people

> > got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

> > hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot

> > criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved best

> > for crores of people without any such allergies.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > pandit arjun

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

> >>

> >> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by

any

> > native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

> > star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

> >>>

> >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

> >>>

> >>> Sir,

> >>>

> >>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your

> >>> goodself has mentioned.

> >>>

> >>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if done

> >>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

> >>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last

> >>> 2 decades.

> >>>

> >>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope,

> >>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with own

> >>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors

> >>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting

regularly)

> >>>

> >>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the house.

> >>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female

members

> >>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure longlife

> >>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

> >>>

> >>> This is being done by family and myself so written above,

> >>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

> >>>

> >>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though

indirectly.

> >>> Thank You.

> >>>

> >>> Regards,

> >>> Bhaskar.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> , Prashant Kumar G B

> >>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Prafulla

> >>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM between

> >>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for diff

> >>> planets

> >>>>

> >>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives

> >>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

> > diorders.

> >>>>

> >>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help for

> > many

> >>> remedies. according to the tabulation

> >>>>

> >>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on

respirotary

> >>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother religious

> > works

> >>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is

> > prescribed,

> >>> right now we can go on what is available.

> >>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them

so

> > did

> >>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine systems

> > to get

> >>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it

> >>>>

> >>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too who

> >>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do try

> > whole

> >>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as

> > breathing.

> >>>>

> >>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know muslims

> > who

> >>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was a

> >>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a

> > look in

> >>> archives.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> >>> wrote: Dear

Shri

> >>> Kumar ji

> >>>>

> >>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

> >>>>

> >>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me):

> >>>>

> >>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for

the

> >>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

> >>>>

> >>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

> > strengtht to

> >>> find realistic solutions

> >>>>

> >>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role,

if

> > any.

> >>>>

> >>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as possible,

> > must

> >>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

> >>>>

> >>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting

> >>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more

authentic

> >>> remedies

> >>>>

> >>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the

> >>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the

> > planet.

> >>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) -

> >>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit more

> >>> planned in its approach, making the working environment little

> >>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may

tone

> >>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping up

> > with

> >>> challenges.

> >>>>

> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>

> >>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and

we

> >>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>>

> >>>> >

> >>>> > gbp_kumar@

> >>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

> >>>> >

> >>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4

> > tantra

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Prafulla,

> >>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r

> > offshoots

> >>> of

> >>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil

> > design

> >>> or black

> >>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

> >>>> >

> >>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped

> > in

> >>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch

> > the

> >>> rise of

> >>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have

> > very

> >>> intense

> >>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in

tantras

> > (do

> >>> not mix

> >>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

> >>>> >

> >>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

> > and

> >>> we star in

> >>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>> >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > gbp_kumar@

> >>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

> > 23/27 -2

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > Prafulla,

> >>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not

> >>> bbeong done or

> >>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or

> > child

> >>> or huam

> >>>> > so

> >>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was

excessive

> >>> balis then

> >>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if

> > there

> >>> was no

> >>>> > rain or

> >>>> > > some for monetry reasons.

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

> >>> Jainism, Budhism,

> >>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific

> > religion,

> >>> then why

> >>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

> >>> something which

> >>>> > is

> >>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory,

religion

> >>> etc).

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

> > it,

> >>> and we star

> >>>> > in

> >>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > jyotish_vani@

> >>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with

> > more

> >>> food for

> >>>> > > > thought.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry

> > dear

> >>> tolerant

> >>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

> > religious/non-

> >>> ritual

> >>>> > type

> >>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to

> >>> notice the

> >>>> > strength

> >>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive

> > mother

> >>> to do her

> >>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father

> > scientist

> >>> manager

> >>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

> >>> scriptures such as

> >>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively

> >>> tuning into

> >>>> > that

> >>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core

> > scientist

> >>> and one of

> >>>> > the

> >>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known,

> > europe

> >>> trained and

> >>>> > all

> >>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall

> > next

> >>> to his bed

> >>>> > for

> >>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

> > Ramakrishna

> >>> in the next

> >>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man

> > always

> >>>> > pooh-poohed

> >>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never

really

> >>> stopped me

> >>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful

> > at a

> >>> few things

> >>>> > in

> >>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There

was

> > a

> >>> moment when

> >>>> > I

> >>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

> >>> miscellany quizzes

> >>>> > in

> >>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed

> > it

> >>> to him. He

> >>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today!

> > One of

> >>> his

> >>>> > favourite

> >>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > And success is a personal perception!

Unfortunately

> >>> most of us do

> >>>> > not

> >>>> > > > come to terms with that.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has

> > much

> >>> more power

> >>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is

> > FLEXIBLE,

> >>> it

> >>>> > respects

> >>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through

> > each

> >>> and every

> >>>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the

> > fullest

> >>>> > expression of

> >>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully

> > enjoying

> >>> those,

> >>>> > never

> >>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > RR

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > , srinivasa

> >>> murthy adavi

> >>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> Dear Sir

> >>>> > > >> A few more words-

> >>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

> >>> cosmological

> >>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God

> > reveals

> >>> himself

> >>>> > in

> >>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

> >>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and

> > Shiva

> >>> along with

> >>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and

> >>> others like

> >>>> > Shirdi

> >>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus

Christ,Prophet

> >>> Mohammed etc

> >>>> > all

> >>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for

> >>> bringing in the

> >>>> > > > cosmological harmony.

> >>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout

by

> >>> selfish

> >>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain

false

> >>> sympathy and

> >>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more

> > personal

> >>> or for a

> >>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

> >>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The

> > people

> >>> (some)

> >>>> > are

> >>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae

theselves

> >>> are not

> >>>> > > bothering

> >>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the

> >>> question is the

> >>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of

creativeness

> >>> and freedom

> >>>> > of

> >>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna

married

> > 8

> >>> women and

> >>>> > gave

> >>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the

> > truth

> >>> was never

> >>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the

> >>> importance of

> >>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of

> >>> TheDivine even

> >>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as

> > truth

> >>> that jesus

> >>>> > was

> >>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in

> > the

> >>> name of

> >>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the

> > truth.Some

> >>> day we

> >>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch

on

> >>> which we're

> >>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish

> > desires

> >>> these

> >>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

> > religious

> >>>> > tenets.We'll

> >>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami

without

> >>> warning.So

> >>>> > please

> >>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of

> >>> expression media

> >>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

> >>> boundaries.

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> regards

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> srinivas

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >>>> > > >> Sri,

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your

> > message

> >>> but when

> >>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the

image

> > of

> >>> a Kind and

> >>>> > > > Wise

> >>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best

> > interests

> >>>> > (actually

> >>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have

> > stood

> >>> all

> >>>> > religions

> >>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would

> > they

> >>> still be

> >>>> > here?

> >>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that

> > has

> >>> been

> >>>> > > > associated

> >>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another.

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though

with

> > some

> >>>> > difficulty!

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> RR

> >>>> > > >>

> >>>> > > >> ,

srinivasa

> >>> murthy adavi

> >>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> Dear Members,

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on

the

> >>> sermon

> >>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

> >>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

> > particular

> >>> mantra(when

> >>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done

> > based

> >>> on saatwik

> >>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH

AdiSankaracharya

> > or

> >>> Other

> >>>> > Revered

> >>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if

prescribed

> >>> mantra is

> >>>> > the

> >>>> > > > apt

> >>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead

to

> > a

> >>> proper

> >>>> > person

> >>>> > > > at

> >>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such that

> > the

> >>> native

> >>>> > gets

> >>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner

> > fortitude

> >>> to

> >>>> > withstand

> >>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without

letting

> >>> him loose

> >>>> > his

> >>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our

> > work

> >>> spot if we

> >>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he

will

> >>> solve himself

> >>>> > > > (if

> >>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he

will

> >>> direct us to

> >>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

> >>> authorised one).

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> regards

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> srinivas

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation.

The

> >>> quick remedy

> >>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for

> > shani,

> >>> mars,

> >>>> > > > rahu/ketu

> >>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example -

> >>> jyotishi

> >>>> > suggest

> >>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense?

> > and if

> >>> the

> >>>> > native

> >>>> > > > is

> >>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's

> >>> pooja; then

> >>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then

> > it

> >>> must also

> >>>> > be

> >>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction

etc

> >>> can be

> >>>> > remedied

> >>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or

say

> >>> which dasha

> >>>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke

> >>> powers) require

> >>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not

all

> > the

> >>> people

> >>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals

> > well.

> >>> and if

> >>>> > does

> >>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard

> > excuse

> >>> for the

> >>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined

> > vidhi of

> >>> surya

> >>>> > naman

> >>>> > > > (

> >>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

> > circumstances),

> >>> offering

> >>>> > > > water

> >>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc.

I

> > do

> >>> not think,

> >>>> > > > the

> >>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to

> > help

> >>> without

> >>>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do

we

> >>> know, if the

> >>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required

> > any

> >>> more?

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> > produce

> >>> it, and we

> >>>> > > > star

> >>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>> Dear members,

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at

> >>> Bhartiya Vidya

> >>>> > > >> mandir, a

> >>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

> > proffessor ,told

> >>> us

> >>>> > students

> >>>> > > > a

> >>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

> >>> remedies,without

> >>>> > > > knowledge,

> >>>> > > >> its

> >>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times,

of

> > this

> >>>> > statement

> >>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

> > forthcoming

> >>> or news

> >>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is

> >>> suggested. Also

> >>>> > > > it

> >>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer,

> > when he

> >>> suggests

> >>>> > so

> >>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying.

> > For

> >>> eg.for

> >>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to

do

> >>> pooja of

> >>>> > > >> Lakshmi,

> >>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the

shakti

> >>> may be one,

> >>>> > > > but

> >>>> > > >> the

> >>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like

> > sattwa,

> >>> tamas or

> >>>> > > >> rajas.

> >>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ?

> > Also

> >>> at times

> >>>> > > > stones

> >>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the

divine

> >>> couloured

> >>>> > rays

> >>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case

> > solidified

> >>>> > state),also

> >>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested

> >>> wrongly.

> >>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha

> >>> lord, some for

> >>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

> > suggesting

> >>> the stone

> >>>> > at

> >>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric

results

> >>> also which

> >>>> > > > would

> >>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For

> > ex.Libra

> >>>> > > > native.Will

> >>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only

> >>> experience

> >>>> > from

> >>>> > > >> the

> >>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge.

> > Talking of

> >>> mantras,

> >>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi

> > munis

> >>> of ancient

> >>>> > > >> times

> >>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple

recite

> >>> the mantra

> >>>> > in

> >>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same

> >>> mantra

> >>>> > wrongly,

> >>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course

they

> >>> had the

> >>>> > power

> >>>> > > > to

> >>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then,

but

> >>> what about

> >>>> > us

> >>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for

long,

> > but

> >>> the point

> >>>> > > > is,

> >>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

> > remedies.

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>> regards,

> >>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>

> >>>> > > >>>> ,

Prafulla

> >>> Gang

> >>>> > > > <jyotish@>

> >>>> > > >>>> wrote:

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so

> > please

> >>> do not

> >>>> > > > misread

> >>>> > > >> me.

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations,

> > curses

> >>> etc in a

> >>>> > > > chart

> >>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per

his

> >>> experience).

> >>>> > > >> Native

> >>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy

> > (may

> >>> be

> >>>> > > > alternative

> >>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or

> >>> unknowlingly

> >>>> > > > (for

> >>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful

remedy

> > for

> >>> rahu /

> >>>> > > > ketu;

> >>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without

> > thinking

> >>> it as

> >>>> > remedy

> >>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

> > recommendation

> >>> of

> >>>> > > > remedies,

> >>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily

> >>> routine etc.

> >>>> > > >> Should

> >>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this -

Specifically -

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the

curse /

> >>> affliction

> >>>> > > >> related

> >>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at

> > respective

> >>> planetary

> >>>> > > >> ages

> >>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered

> > to

> >>> be fully

> >>>> > > > done

> >>>> > > >> or

> >>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like.

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice

> > of

> >>> suggesting

> >>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially

> > around

> >>> mantras.

> >>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be

> > in

> >>> line with

> >>>> > > >> native's

> >>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc

> > involve

> >>> lots of

> >>>> > > >> rituals

> >>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and

assessment

> > of

> >>> its need

> >>>> > is

> >>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so

> >>> casually by

> >>>> > > > fellow

> >>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list

> >>> astrologers)

> >>>> > and

> >>>> > > >> to a

> >>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for

getting

> >>> into

> >>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> > produce

> >>> it, and

> >>>> > we

> >>>> > > >> star

> >>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>> > > >>>>>

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > > >>>

 

> >>>> > > >>>

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> >>> protection around

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> >>>> > > >>>

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Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

 

You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to structure this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies, then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their experiences / various remedies.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

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>

> panditarjun2004

> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000

>

> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>

> dear friends

>

> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to

> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply

> facts, references and past results with various people from which

> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss one

> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we

> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution this

> group would have ever got.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji

>>

>> Very well said.

>>

>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the remedies

> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra is

> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting

> system for shani / ketu.

>>

>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary

> factor.

>>

>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for

> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started

> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is required (I

> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed

> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / transit /

> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc).

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> panditarjun2004

>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>

>>> dear friends

>>>

>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells

> well

>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the

>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again,

>>> periodically in all groups.

>>>

>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for

>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully.

>>>

>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that

>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by ALL

>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions.

>>>

>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other religions

> DO

>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a

> person

>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions,

> these

>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as

> devotees

>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like

> prafulla

>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih

> both

>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains

> along

>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which

> are

>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow,

>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran.

>>>

>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies

> with

>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers,

> chartered

>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law

>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the PRESENT

>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when

> comes

>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not

>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from

> orient

>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present

>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale is

>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any

>>> religious person.

>>>

>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal

> expereinces

>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately

> in

>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and

> try

>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not get

>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it.

> similarly

>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and

> hence

>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best

>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to

> alcohol

>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get

> it.

>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his

> being

>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and

> start

>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and

> has

>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his ancestors,

> he

>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his

> previous

>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins which

> is

>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and are

>>> personal observations and not rules or principles.

>>>

>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal

>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so

> that

>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular remedy

>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many people

>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot

>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved best

>>> for crores of people without any such allergies.

>>>

>>> with best wishes

>>> pandit arjun

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

>>>>

>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by

> any

>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>>>

>>>>> Sir,

>>>>>

>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your

>>>>> goodself has mentioned.

>>>>>

>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if done

>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last

>>>>> 2 decades.

>>>>>

>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope,

>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with own

>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors

>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting

> regularly)

>>>>>

>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the house.

>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female

> members

>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure longlife

>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

>>>>>

>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above,

>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

>>>>>

>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though

> indirectly.

>>>>> Thank You.

>>>>>

>>>>> Regards,

>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B

>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Prafulla

>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM between

>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for diff

>>>>> planets

>>>>>>

>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives

>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

>>> diorders.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help for

>>> many

>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation

>>>>>>

>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on

> respirotary

>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother religious

>>> works

>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is

>>> prescribed,

>>>>> right now we can go on what is available.

>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them

> so

>>> did

>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine systems

>>> to get

>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too who

>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do try

>>> whole

>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as

>>> breathing.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know muslims

>>> who

>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was a

>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a

>>> look in

>>>>> archives.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>>>> wrote: Dear

> Shri

>>>>> Kumar ji

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me):

>>>>>>

>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for

> the

>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

>>> strengtht to

>>>>> find realistic solutions

>>>>>>

>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role,

> if

>>> any.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as possible,

>>> must

>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting

>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more

> authentic

>>>>> remedies

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the

>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the

>>> planet.

>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) -

>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit more

>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment little

>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may

> tone

>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping up

>>> with

>>>>> challenges.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and

> we

>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4

>>> tantra

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > Prafulla,

>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r

>>> offshoots

>>>>> of

>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil

>>> design

>>>>> or black

>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped

>>> in

>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch

>>> the

>>>>> rise of

>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have

>>> very

>>>>> intense

>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in

> tantras

>>> (do

>>>>> not mix

>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

>>> and

>>>>> we star in

>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

>>> 23/27 -2

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > Prafulla,

>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not

>>>>> bbeong done or

>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or

>>> child

>>>>> or huam

>>>>>> > so

>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was

> excessive

>>>>> balis then

>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if

>>> there

>>>>> was no

>>>>>> > rain or

>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons.

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

>>>>> Jainism, Budhism,

>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific

>>> religion,

>>>>> then why

>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

>>>>> something which

>>>>>> > is

>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory,

> religion

>>>>> etc).

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

>>> it,

>>>>> and we star

>>>>>> > in

>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@

>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with

>>> more

>>>>> food for

>>>>>> > > > thought.

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry

>>> dear

>>>>> tolerant

>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

>>> religious/non-

>>>>> ritual

>>>>>> > type

>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to

>>>>> notice the

>>>>>> > strength

>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive

>>> mother

>>>>> to do her

>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father

>>> scientist

>>>>> manager

>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

>>>>> scriptures such as

>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively

>>>>> tuning into

>>>>>> > that

>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core

>>> scientist

>>>>> and one of

>>>>>> > the

>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known,

>>> europe

>>>>> trained and

>>>>>> > all

>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall

>>> next

>>>>> to his bed

>>>>>> > for

>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

>>> Ramakrishna

>>>>> in the next

>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man

>>> always

>>>>>> > pooh-poohed

>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never

> really

>>>>> stopped me

>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful

>>> at a

>>>>> few things

>>>>>> > in

>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There

> was

>>> a

>>>>> moment when

>>>>>> > I

>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

>>>>> miscellany quizzes

>>>>>> > in

>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed

>>> it

>>>>> to him. He

>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today!

>>> One of

>>>>> his

>>>>>> > favourite

>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception!

> Unfortunately

>>>>> most of us do

>>>>>> > not

>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that.

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has

>>> much

>>>>> more power

>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is

>>> FLEXIBLE,

>>>>> it

>>>>>> > respects

>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through

>>> each

>>>>> and every

>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the

>>> fullest

>>>>>> > expression of

>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully

>>> enjoying

>>>>> those,

>>>>>> > never

>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > RR

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>> > > > , srinivasa

>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir

>>>>>> > > >> A few more words-

>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

>>>>> cosmological

>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God

>>> reveals

>>>>> himself

>>>>>> > in

>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and

>>> Shiva

>>>>> along with

>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and

>>>>> others like

>>>>>> > Shirdi

>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus

> Christ,Prophet

>>>>> Mohammed etc

>>>>>> > all

>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for

>>>>> bringing in the

>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony.

>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout

> by

>>>>> selfish

>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain

> false

>>>>> sympathy and

>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more

>>> personal

>>>>> or for a

>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The

>>> people

>>>>> (some)

>>>>>> > are

>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae

> theselves

>>>>> are not

>>>>>> > > bothering

>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the

>>>>> question is the

>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of

> creativeness

>>>>> and freedom

>>>>>> > of

>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna

> married

>>> 8

>>>>> women and

>>>>>> > gave

>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the

>>> truth

>>>>> was never

>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the

>>>>> importance of

>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of

>>>>> TheDivine even

>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as

>>> truth

>>>>> that jesus

>>>>>> > was

>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in

>>> the

>>>>> name of

>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the

>>> truth.Some

>>>>> day we

>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch

> on

>>>>> which we're

>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish

>>> desires

>>>>> these

>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

>>> religious

>>>>>> > tenets.We'll

>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami

> without

>>>>> warning.So

>>>>>> > please

>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of

>>>>> expression media

>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

>>>>> boundaries.

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> regards

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> srinivas

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

>>>>>> > > >> Sri,

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your

>>> message

>>>>> but when

>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the

> image

>>> of

>>>>> a Kind and

>>>>>> > > > Wise

>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best

>>> interests

>>>>>> > (actually

>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have

>>> stood

>>>>> all

>>>>>> > religions

>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would

>>> they

>>>>> still be

>>>>>> > here?

>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that

>>> has

>>>>> been

>>>>>> > > > associated

>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another.

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though

> with

>>> some

>>>>>> > difficulty!

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> RR

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> ,

> srinivasa

>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members,

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on

> the

>>>>> sermon

>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

>>> particular

>>>>> mantra(when

>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done

>>> based

>>>>> on saatwik

>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH

> AdiSankaracharya

>>> or

>>>>> Other

>>>>>> > Revered

>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if

> prescribed

>>>>> mantra is

>>>>>> > the

>>>>>> > > > apt

>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead

> to

>>> a

>>>>> proper

>>>>>> > person

>>>>>> > > > at

>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such that

>>> the

>>>>> native

>>>>>> > gets

>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner

>>> fortitude

>>>>> to

>>>>>> > withstand

>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without

> letting

>>>>> him loose

>>>>>> > his

>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our

>>> work

>>>>> spot if we

>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he

> will

>>>>> solve himself

>>>>>> > > > (if

>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he

> will

>>>>> direct us to

>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

>>>>> authorised one).

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> regards

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation.

> The

>>>>> quick remedy

>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for

>>> shani,

>>>>> mars,

>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu

>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example -

>>>>> jyotishi

>>>>>> > suggest

>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense?

>>> and if

>>>>> the

>>>>>> > native

>>>>>> > > > is

>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's

>>>>> pooja; then

>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then

>>> it

>>>>> must also

>>>>>> > be

>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction

> etc

>>>>> can be

>>>>>> > remedied

>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or

> say

>>>>> which dasha

>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke

>>>>> powers) require

>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not

> all

>>> the

>>>>> people

>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals

>>> well.

>>>>> and if

>>>>>> > does

>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard

>>> excuse

>>>>> for the

>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined

>>> vidhi of

>>>>> surya

>>>>>> > naman

>>>>>> > > > (

>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

>>> circumstances),

>>>>> offering

>>>>>> > > > water

>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc.

> I

>>> do

>>>>> not think,

>>>>>> > > > the

>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to

>>> help

>>>>> without

>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do

> we

>>>>> know, if the

>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required

>>> any

>>>>> more?

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>> produce

>>>>> it, and we

>>>>>> > > > star

>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members,

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at

>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya

>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a

>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

>>> proffessor ,told

>>>>> us

>>>>>> > students

>>>>>> > > > a

>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

>>>>> remedies,without

>>>>>> > > > knowledge,

>>>>>> > > >> its

>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times,

> of

>>> this

>>>>>> > statement

>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

>>> forthcoming

>>>>> or news

>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is

>>>>> suggested. Also

>>>>>> > > > it

>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer,

>>> when he

>>>>> suggests

>>>>>> > so

>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying.

>>> For

>>>>> eg.for

>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to

> do

>>>>> pooja of

>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi,

>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the

> shakti

>>>>> may be one,

>>>>>> > > > but

>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like

>>> sattwa,

>>>>> tamas or

>>>>>> > > >> rajas.

>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ?

>>> Also

>>>>> at times

>>>>>> > > > stones

>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the

> divine

>>>>> couloured

>>>>>> > rays

>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case

>>> solidified

>>>>>> > state),also

>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested

>>>>> wrongly.

>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha

>>>>> lord, some for

>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

>>> suggesting

>>>>> the stone

>>>>>> > at

>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric

> results

>>>>> also which

>>>>>> > > > would

>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For

>>> ex.Libra

>>>>>> > > > native.Will

>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only

>>>>> experience

>>>>>> > from

>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge.

>>> Talking of

>>>>> mantras,

>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi

>>> munis

>>>>> of ancient

>>>>>> > > >> times

>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple

> recite

>>>>> the mantra

>>>>>> > in

>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same

>>>>> mantra

>>>>>> > wrongly,

>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course

> they

>>>>> had the

>>>>>> > power

>>>>>> > > > to

>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then,

> but

>>>>> what about

>>>>>> > us

>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for

> long,

>>> but

>>>>> the point

>>>>>> > > > is,

>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

>>> remedies.

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>> regards,

>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>> ,

> Prafulla

>>>>> Gang

>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@>

>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote:

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so

>>> please

>>>>> do not

>>>>>> > > > misread

>>>>>> > > >> me.

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations,

>>> curses

>>>>> etc in a

>>>>>> > > > chart

>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per

> his

>>>>> experience).

>>>>>> > > >> Native

>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy

>>> (may

>>>>> be

>>>>>> > > > alternative

>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or

>>>>> unknowlingly

>>>>>> > > > (for

>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful

> remedy

>>> for

>>>>> rahu /

>>>>>> > > > ketu;

>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without

>>> thinking

>>>>> it as

>>>>>> > remedy

>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

>>> recommendation

>>>>> of

>>>>>> > > > remedies,

>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily

>>>>> routine etc.

>>>>>> > > >> Should

>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this -

> Specifically -

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the

> curse /

>>>>> affliction

>>>>>> > > >> related

>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at

>>> respective

>>>>> planetary

>>>>>> > > >> ages

>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered

>>> to

>>>>> be fully

>>>>>> > > > done

>>>>>> > > >> or

>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like.

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice

>>> of

>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially

>>> around

>>>>> mantras.

>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be

>>> in

>>>>> line with

>>>>>> > > >> native's

>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc

>>> involve

>>>>> lots of

>>>>>> > > >> rituals

>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and

> assessment

>>> of

>>>>> its need

>>>>>> > is

>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so

>>>>> casually by

>>>>>> > > > fellow

>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list

>>>>> astrologers)

>>>>>> > and

>>>>>> > > >> to a

>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for

> getting

>>>>> into

>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>> produce

>>>>> it, and

>>>>>> > we

>>>>>> > > >> star

>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>>

>

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

>>>>> protection around

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

>>> removed]

>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >>

>

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

>>>>> protection around

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been

>>> removed]

>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > Prashantkumar G B

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>>>>>

>>>>>> > group

>>>>>> > > but

>>>>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

>>> mail

>>>>> or phone.

>>>>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

>>>>>> > > 09840051861

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out

> the

>>>>> handy

>>>>>> > changes to

>>>>>> > > .

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> > >

[Guest guest]

Arjunji,

 

This is a bit dated account and I have come forth a bit, hopefully,

since those days, but here it is:

 

http://www.boloji.com/astro/00314.htm

 

 

RR

 

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to

> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply

> facts, references and past results with various people from which

> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss

one

> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we

> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution this

> group would have ever got.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pandit Arjun ji

> >

> > Very well said.

> >

> > I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the

remedies

> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra is

> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting

> system for shani / ketu.

> >

> > Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary

> factor.

> >

> > Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for

> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started

> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is required

(I

> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed

> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age / transit /

> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc).

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > panditarjun2004@

> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000

> > >

> > > Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

> > >

> > > dear friends

> > >

> > > good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells

> well

> > > with the objective of this group. this very question on the

> > > efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again,

> > > periodically in all groups.

> > >

> > > yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for

> > > removing an evil and got that done successfully.

> > >

> > > coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that

> > > remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by

ALL

> > > religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions.

> > >

> > > hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other

religions

> DO

> > > RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a

> person

> > > or for getting something the native wants. in all religions,

> these

> > > remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as

> devotees

> > > visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like

> prafulla

> > > ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih

> both

> > > white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains

> along

> > > with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which

> are

> > > followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

> > > information few months ago as to what remedies they follow,

> > > notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran.

> > >

> > > so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies

> with

> > > or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers,

> chartered

> > > accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law

> > > enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the PRESENT

> > > EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when

> comes

> > > to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not

> > > amended and hence gullible people still want references from

> orient

> > > classics which look insane to a logical person of the present

> > > world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale is

> > > what required for recommending or following any remedy by any

> > > religious person.

> > >

> > > another factor to note is that one individual's personal

> expereinces

> > > cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately

> in

> > > public groups, people express their own views and opinions and

> try

> > > to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not get

> > > positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it.

> similarly

> > > one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and

> hence

> > > he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best

> > > remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to

> alcohol

> > > and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get

> it.

> > > similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his

> being

> > > pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and

> start

> > > criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and

> has

> > > all riches and comforts in the world left away by his

ancestors,

> he

> > > says that he is the only person who did good karma in his

> previous

> > > birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins

which

> is

> > > why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and

are

> > > personal observations and not rules or principles.

> > >

> > > hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal

> > > experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so

> that

> > > we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular

remedy

> > > along with scriptural references if any and as to how many

people

> > > got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

> > > hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot

> > > criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved

best

> > > for crores of people without any such allergies.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > pandit arjun

> > > , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

> > >>

> > >> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by

> any

> > > native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

> > >>

> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>

> > >> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

> > > star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> > >>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

> > >>>

> > >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

> > >>>

> > >>> Sir,

> > >>>

> > >>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your

> > >>> goodself has mentioned.

> > >>>

> > >>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if done

> > >>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

> > >>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last

> > >>> 2 decades.

> > >>>

> > >>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope,

> > >>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with own

> > >>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors

> > >>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting

> regularly)

> > >>>

> > >>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the

house.

> > >>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female

> members

> > >>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure

longlife

> > >>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

> > >>>

> > >>> This is being done by family and myself so written above,

> > >>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

> > >>>

> > >>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though

> indirectly.

> > >>> Thank You.

> > >>>

> > >>> Regards,

> > >>> Bhaskar.

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> , Prashant Kumar G B

> > >>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Prafulla

> > >>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM

between

> > >>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for

diff

> > >>> planets

> > >>>>

> > >>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives

> > >>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

> > > diorders.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help

for

> > > many

> > >>> remedies. according to the tabulation

> > >>>>

> > >>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on

> respirotary

> > >>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother religious

> > > works

> > >>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is

> > > prescribed,

> > >>> right now we can go on what is available.

> > >>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them

> so

> > > did

> > >>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine systems

> > > to get

> > >>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it

> > >>>>

> > >>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too who

> > >>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do

try

> > > whole

> > >>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as

> > > breathing.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know

muslims

> > > who

> > >>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was a

> > >>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a

> > > look in

> > >>> archives.

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > >>> wrote: Dear

> Shri

> > >>> Kumar ji

> > >>>>

> > >>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me):

> > >>>>

> > >>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for

> the

> > >>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

> > >>>>

> > >>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

> > > strengtht to

> > >>> find realistic solutions

> > >>>>

> > >>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role,

> if

> > > any.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as

possible,

> > > must

> > >>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

> > >>>>

> > >>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting

> > >>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more

> authentic

> > >>> remedies

> > >>>>

> > >>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the

> > >>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the

> > > planet.

> > >>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) -

> > >>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit more

> > >>> planned in its approach, making the working environment

little

> > >>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may

> tone

> > >>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping

up

> > > with

> > >>> challenges.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

and

> we

> > >>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > >>>>

> > >>>> >

> > >>>> > gbp_kumar@

> > >>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

> > >>>> >

> > >>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4

> > > tantra

> > >>>> >

> > >>>> > Prafulla,

> > >>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r

> > > offshoots

> > >>> of

> > >>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil

> > > design

> > >>> or black

> > >>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

> > >>>> >

> > >>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

> > >>>> >

> > >>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and

helped

> > > in

> > >>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to

watch

> > > the

> > >>> rise of

> > >>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have

> > > very

> > >>> intense

> > >>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in

> tantras

> > > (do

> > >>> not mix

> > >>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

> > >>>> >

> > >>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

> > >>>> >

> > >>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>> >

> > >>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

> > > and

> > >>> we star in

> > >>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > >>>> >

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > > gbp_kumar@

> > >>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

> > > 23/27 -2

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > > Prafulla,

> > >>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r

not

> > >>> bbeong done or

> > >>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or

> > > child

> > >>> or huam

> > >>>> > so

> > >>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was

> excessive

> > >>> balis then

> > >>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if

> > > there

> > >>> was no

> > >>>> > rain or

> > >>>> > > some for monetry reasons.

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

> > >>> Jainism, Budhism,

> > >>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific

> > > religion,

> > >>> then why

> > >>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

> > >>> something which

> > >>>> > is

> > >>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory,

> religion

> > >>> etc).

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

> > > it,

> > >>> and we star

> > >>>> > in

> > >>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > jyotish_vani@

> > >>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with

> > > more

> > >>> food for

> > >>>> > > > thought.

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am

sorry

> > > dear

> > >>> tolerant

> > >>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

> > > religious/non-

> > >>> ritual

> > >>>> > type

> > >>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to

> > >>> notice the

> > >>>> > strength

> > >>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive

> > > mother

> > >>> to do her

> > >>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father

> > > scientist

> > >>> manager

> > >>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

> > >>> scriptures such as

> > >>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively

> > >>> tuning into

> > >>>> > that

> > >>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core

> > > scientist

> > >>> and one of

> > >>>> > the

> > >>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known,

> > > europe

> > >>> trained and

> > >>>> > all

> > >>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall

> > > next

> > >>> to his bed

> > >>>> > for

> > >>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

> > > Ramakrishna

> > >>> in the next

> > >>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man

> > > always

> > >>>> > pooh-poohed

> > >>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never

> really

> > >>> stopped me

> > >>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful

> > > at a

> > >>> few things

> > >>>> > in

> > >>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There

> was

> > > a

> > >>> moment when

> > >>>> > I

> > >>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

> > >>> miscellany quizzes

> > >>>> > in

> > >>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly

showed

> > > it

> > >>> to him. He

> > >>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today!

> > > One of

> > >>> his

> > >>>> > favourite

> > >>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > And success is a personal perception!

> Unfortunately

> > >>> most of us do

> > >>>> > not

> > >>>> > > > come to terms with that.

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has

> > > much

> > >>> more power

> > >>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is

> > > FLEXIBLE,

> > >>> it

> > >>>> > respects

> > >>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades

through

> > > each

> > >>> and every

> > >>>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the

> > > fullest

> > >>>> > expression of

> > >>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully

> > > enjoying

> > >>> those,

> > >>>> > never

> > >>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > RR

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > ,

srinivasa

> > >>> murthy adavi

> > >>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >> Dear Sir

> > >>>> > > >> A few more words-

> > >>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

> > >>> cosmological

> > >>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God

> > > reveals

> > >>> himself

> > >>>> > in

> > >>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

> > >>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and

> > > Shiva

> > >>> along with

> > >>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva

etc,and

> > >>> others like

> > >>>> > Shirdi

> > >>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus

> Christ,Prophet

> > >>> Mohammed etc

> > >>>> > all

> > >>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for

> > >>> bringing in the

> > >>>> > > > cosmological harmony.

> > >>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more

madeout

> by

> > >>> selfish

> > >>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain

> false

> > >>> sympathy and

> > >>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more

> > > personal

> > >>> or for a

> > >>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

> > >>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The

> > > people

> > >>> (some)

> > >>>> > are

> > >>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae

> theselves

> > >>> are not

> > >>>> > > bothering

> > >>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the

> > >>> question is the

> > >>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of

> creativeness

> > >>> and freedom

> > >>>> > of

> > >>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna

> married

> > > 8

> > >>> women and

> > >>>> > gave

> > >>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the

> > > truth

> > >>> was never

> > >>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the

> > >>> importance of

> > >>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of

> > >>> TheDivine even

> > >>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as

> > > truth

> > >>> that jesus

> > >>>> > was

> > >>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty

(in

> > > the

> > >>> name of

> > >>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the

> > > truth.Some

> > >>> day we

> > >>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch

> on

> > >>> which we're

> > >>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish

> > > desires

> > >>> these

> > >>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

> > > religious

> > >>>> > tenets.We'll

> > >>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami

> without

> > >>> warning.So

> > >>>> > please

> > >>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of

> > >>> expression media

> > >>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

> > >>> boundaries.

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >> regards

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >> srinivas

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >>>> > > >> Sri,

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your

> > > message

> > >>> but when

> > >>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the

> image

> > > of

> > >>> a Kind and

> > >>>> > > > Wise

> > >>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best

> > > interests

> > >>>> > (actually

> > >>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have

> > > stood

> > >>> all

> > >>>> > religions

> > >>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would

> > > they

> > >>> still be

> > >>>> > here?

> > >>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity

that

> > > has

> > >>> been

> > >>>> > > > associated

> > >>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or

another.

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though

> with

> > > some

> > >>>> > difficulty!

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >> RR

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >> ,

> srinivasa

> > >>> murthy adavi

> > >>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>> Dear Members,

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on

> the

> > >>> sermon

> > >>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

> > >>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

> > > particular

> > >>> mantra(when

> > >>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done

> > > based

> > >>> on saatwik

> > >>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH

> AdiSankaracharya

> > > or

> > >>> Other

> > >>>> > Revered

> > >>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if

> prescribed

> > >>> mantra is

> > >>>> > the

> > >>>> > > > apt

> > >>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead

> to

> > > a

> > >>> proper

> > >>>> > person

> > >>>> > > > at

> > >>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such

that

> > > the

> > >>> native

> > >>>> > gets

> > >>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner

> > > fortitude

> > >>> to

> > >>>> > withstand

> > >>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without

> letting

> > >>> him loose

> > >>>> > his

> > >>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our

> > > work

> > >>> spot if we

> > >>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he

> will

> > >>> solve himself

> > >>>> > > > (if

> > >>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he

> will

> > >>> direct us to

> > >>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

> > >>> authorised one).

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>> regards

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>> srinivas

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > >>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation.

> The

> > >>> quick remedy

> > >>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for

> > > shani,

> > >>> mars,

> > >>>> > > > rahu/ketu

> > >>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example -

> > >>> jyotishi

> > >>>> > suggest

> > >>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense?

> > > and if

> > >>> the

> > >>>> > native

> > >>>> > > > is

> > >>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's

> > >>> pooja; then

> > >>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy,

then

> > > it

> > >>> must also

> > >>>> > be

> > >>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction

> etc

> > >>> can be

> > >>>> > remedied

> > >>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or

> say

> > >>> which dasha

> > >>>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke

> > >>> powers) require

> > >>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not

> all

> > > the

> > >>> people

> > >>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals

> > > well.

> > >>> and if

> > >>>> > does

> > >>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard

> > > excuse

> > >>> for the

> > >>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined

> > > vidhi of

> > >>> surya

> > >>>> > naman

> > >>>> > > > (

> > >>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

> > > circumstances),

> > >>> offering

> > >>>> > > > water

> > >>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja

etc.

> I

> > > do

> > >>> not think,

> > >>>> > > > the

> > >>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to

> > > help

> > >>> without

> > >>>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how

do

> we

> > >>> know, if the

> > >>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required

> > > any

> > >>> more?

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> > > produce

> > >>> it, and we

> > >>>> > > > star

> > >>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> > >>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

> > >>>> > > >>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

> > >>>> > > >>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>> Dear members,

> > >>>> > > >>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at

> > >>> Bhartiya Vidya

> > >>>> > > >> mandir, a

> > >>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

> > > proffessor ,told

> > >>> us

> > >>>> > students

> > >>>> > > > a

> > >>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

> > >>> remedies,without

> > >>>> > > > knowledge,

> > >>>> > > >> its

> > >>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times,

> of

> > > this

> > >>>> > statement

> > >>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

> > > forthcoming

> > >>> or news

> > >>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is

> > >>> suggested. Also

> > >>>> > > > it

> > >>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer,

> > > when he

> > >>> suggests

> > >>>> > so

> > >>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is

saying.

> > > For

> > >>> eg.for

> > >>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native

to

> do

> > >>> pooja of

> > >>>> > > >> Lakshmi,

> > >>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the

> shakti

> > >>> may be one,

> > >>>> > > > but

> > >>>> > > >> the

> > >>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like

> > > sattwa,

> > >>> tamas or

> > >>>> > > >> rajas.

> > >>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ?

> > > Also

> > >>> at times

> > >>>> > > > stones

> > >>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the

> divine

> > >>> couloured

> > >>>> > rays

> > >>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case

> > > solidified

> > >>>> > state),also

> > >>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if

suggested

> > >>> wrongly.

> > >>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for

Mahadasha

> > >>> lord, some for

> > >>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

> > > suggesting

> > >>> the stone

> > >>>> > at

> > >>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric

> results

> > >>> also which

> > >>>> > > > would

> > >>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For

> > > ex.Libra

> > >>>> > > > native.Will

> > >>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native?

Only

> > >>> experience

> > >>>> > from

> > >>>> > > >> the

> > >>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge.

> > > Talking of

> > >>> mantras,

> > >>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi

> > > munis

> > >>> of ancient

> > >>>> > > >> times

> > >>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple

> recite

> > >>> the mantra

> > >>>> > in

> > >>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the

same

> > >>> mantra

> > >>>> > wrongly,

> > >>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course

> they

> > >>> had the

> > >>>> > power

> > >>>> > > > to

> > >>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then,

> but

> > >>> what about

> > >>>> > us

> > >>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for

> long,

> > > but

> > >>> the point

> > >>>> > > > is,

> > >>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

> > > remedies.

> > >>>> > > >>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>> regards,

> > >>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

> > >>>> > > >>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>> ,

> Prafulla

> > >>> Gang

> > >>>> > > > <jyotish@>

> > >>>> > > >>>> wrote:

> > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

> > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so

> > > please

> > >>> do not

> > >>>> > > > misread

> > >>>> > > >> me.

> > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations,

> > > curses

> > >>> etc in a

> > >>>> > > > chart

> > >>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per

> his

> > >>> experience).

> > >>>> > > >> Native

> > >>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy

> > > (may

> > >>> be

> > >>>> > > > alternative

> > >>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly

or

> > >>> unknowlingly

> > >>>> > > > (for

> > >>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful

> remedy

> > > for

> > >>> rahu /

> > >>>> > > > ketu;

> > >>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without

> > > thinking

> > >>> it as

> > >>>> > remedy

> > >>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

> > > recommendation

> > >>> of

> > >>>> > > > remedies,

> > >>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events /

daily

> > >>> routine etc.

> > >>>> > > >> Should

> > >>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this -

> Specifically -

> > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the

> curse /

> > >>> affliction

> > >>>> > > >> related

> > >>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

> > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at

> > > respective

> > >>> planetary

> > >>>> > > >> ages

> > >>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are

considered

> > > to

> > >>> be fully

> > >>>> > > > done

> > >>>> > > >> or

> > >>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist

like.

> > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good

practice

> > > of

> > >>> suggesting

> > >>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially

> > > around

> > >>> mantras.

> > >>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must

be

> > > in

> > >>> line with

> > >>>> > > >> native's

> > >>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc

> > > involve

> > >>> lots of

> > >>>> > > >> rituals

> > >>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

> > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and

> assessment

> > > of

> > >>> its need

> > >>>> > is

> > >>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so

> > >>> casually by

> > >>>> > > > fellow

> > >>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list

> > >>> astrologers)

> > >>>> > and

> > >>>> > > >> to a

> > >>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for

> getting

> > >>> into

> > >>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

> > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> > > produce

> > >>> it, and

> > >>>> > we

> > >>>> > > >> star

> > >>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>>

>

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

> > >>> protection around

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >>>> > > >>>

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >>

>

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

> > >>> protection around

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >>>> > > >>

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > > Prashantkumar G B

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> > >>>

> > >>>> > group

> > >>>> > > but

> > >>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

> > > mail

> > >>> or phone.

> > >>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

> > >>>> > > 09840051861

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out

> the

> > >>> handy

> > >>>> > changes to

> > >>>> > > .

> > >>>> > >

> > >>>> > >

[Guest guest]

dear RRji

 

this is a great article. if you have posted all your articles in

one place (e.g. in your website), please give the url of that so

that we can refer to all of them at once. i greatly appeciated the

illustrious comprehensive article which you gave the link some time

ago having so many excel charts and graphs.

 

with best wishes

pandit arjun

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Arjunji,

>

> This is a bit dated account and I have come forth a bit,

hopefully,

> since those days, but here it is:

>

> http://www.boloji.com/astro/00314.htm

>

>

> RR

>

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to

> > present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply

> > facts, references and past results with various people from

which

> > you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss

> one

> > remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we

> > indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution

this

> > group would have ever got.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji

> > >

> > > Very well said.

> > >

> > > I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the

> remedies

> > in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra

is

> > one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and

fasting

> > system for shani / ketu.

> > >

> > > Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary

> > factor.

> > >

> > > Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for

> > each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started

> > with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is

required

> (I

> > mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already

fixed

> > the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age /

transit /

> > dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc).

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > panditarjun2004@

> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000

> > > >

> > > > Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

> > > >

> > > > dear friends

> > > >

> > > > good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that

jells

> > well

> > > > with the objective of this group. this very question on the

> > > > efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again,

> > > > periodically in all groups.

> > > >

> > > > yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan

for

> > > > removing an evil and got that done successfully.

> > > >

> > > > coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement

that

> > > > remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed

by

> ALL

> > > > religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL

religions.

> > > >

> > > > hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other

> religions

> > DO

> > > > RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of

a

> > person

> > > > or for getting something the native wants. in all

religions,

> > these

> > > > remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as

> > devotees

> > > > visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like

> > prafulla

> > > > ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can

furnsih

> > both

> > > > white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains

> > along

> > > > with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains

which

> > are

> > > > followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

> > > > information few months ago as to what remedies they follow,

> > > > notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran.

> > > >

> > > > so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow

remedies

> > with

> > > > or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers,

> > chartered

> > > > accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the

law

> > > > enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the

PRESENT

> > > > EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately

when

> > comes

> > > > to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not

> > > > amended and hence gullible people still want references from

> > orient

> > > > classics which look insane to a logical person of the present

> > > > world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and

ratinale is

> > > > what required for recommending or following any remedy by any

> > > > religious person.

> > > >

> > > > another factor to note is that one individual's personal

> > expereinces

> > > > cannot create a principle or reject a principle.

unfortunately

> > in

> > > > public groups, people express their own views and opinions

and

> > try

> > > > to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not

get

> > > > positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it.

> > similarly

> > > > one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results

and

> > hence

> > > > he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the

best

> > > > remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to

> > alcohol

> > > > and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt

get

> > it.

> > > > similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite

his

> > being

> > > > pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and

> > start

> > > > criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy

and

> > has

> > > > all riches and comforts in the world left away by his

> ancestors,

> > he

> > > > says that he is the only person who did good karma in his

> > previous

> > > > birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins

> which

> > is

> > > > why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations

and

> are

> > > > personal observations and not rules or principles.

> > > >

> > > > hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal

> > > > experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy,

so

> > that

> > > > we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular

> remedy

> > > > along with scriptural references if any and as to how many

> people

> > > > got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

> > > > hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he

cannot

> > > > criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved

> best

> > > > for crores of people without any such allergies.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

> > > >>

> > > >> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra

by

> > any

> > > > native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

> > > >>

> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>

> > > >> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and

we

> > > > star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > >>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4

tantra

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Sir,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what

Your

> > > >>> goodself has mentioned.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if

done

> > > >>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

> > > >>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over

last

> > > >>> 2 decades.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in

horoscope,

> > > >>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with

own

> > > >>> Father, increases power of personality to make the

superiors

> > > >>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting

> > regularly)

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the

> house.

> > > >>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female

> > members

> > > >>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure

> longlife

> > > >>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

> > > >>>

> > > >>> This is being done by family and myself so written above,

> > > >>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though

> > indirectly.

> > > >>> Thank You.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Regards,

> > > >>> Bhaskar.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > >>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Prafulla

> > > >>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM

> between

> > > >>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for

> diff

> > > >>> planets

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana

gives

> > > >>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

> > > > diorders.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also

help

> for

> > > > many

> > > >>> remedies. according to the tabulation

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on

> > respirotary

> > > >>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother

religious

> > > > works

> > > >>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is

> > > > prescribed,

> > > >>> right now we can go on what is available.

> > > >>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew

them

> > so

> > > > did

> > > >>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine

systems

> > > > to get

> > > >>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try

it

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too

who

> > > >>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system

do

> try

> > > > whole

> > > >>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as

> > > > breathing.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know

> muslims

> > > > who

> > > >>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there

was a

> > > >>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can

take a

> > > > look in

> > > >>> archives.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > >>> wrote:

Dear

> > Shri

> > > >>> Kumar ji

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to

me):

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native

for

> > the

> > > >>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

> > > > strengtht to

> > > >>> find realistic solutions

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any

role,

> > if

> > > > any.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as

> possible,

> > > > must

> > > >>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of

suggesting

> > > >>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more

> > authentic

> > > >>> remedies

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored

the

> > > >>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of

the

> > > > planet.

> > > >>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic

shani) -

> > > >>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit

more

> > > >>> planned in its approach, making the working environment

> little

> > > >>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This

may

> > tone

> > > >>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in

coping

> up

> > > > with

> > > >>> challenges.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

> and

> > we

> > > >>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> >

> > > >>>> > gbp_kumar@

> > > >>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

> > > >>>> >

> > > >>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

23/7 -4

> > > > tantra

> > > >>>> >

> > > >>>> > Prafulla,

> > > >>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r

> > > > offshoots

> > > >>> of

> > > >>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence,

evil

> > > > design

> > > >>> or black

> > > >>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

> > > >>>> >

> > > >>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

> > > >>>> >

> > > >>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and

> helped

> > > > in

> > > >>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to

> watch

> > > > the

> > > >>> rise of

> > > >>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions

have

> > > > very

> > > >>> intense

> > > >>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in

> > tantras

> > > > (do

> > > >>> not mix

> > > >>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

> > > >>>> >

> > > >>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

> > > >>>> >

> > > >>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>> >

> > > >>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

it,

> > > > and

> > > >>> we star in

> > > >>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > > >>>> >

> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > > gbp_kumar@

> > > >>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

> > > > 23/27 -2

> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > > Prafulla,

> > > >>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies

r

> not

> > > >>> bbeong done or

> > > >>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow,

hen or

> > > > child

> > > >>> or huam

> > > >>>> > so

> > > >>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was

> > excessive

> > > >>> balis then

> > > >>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear

if

> > > > there

> > > >>> was no

> > > >>>> > rain or

> > > >>>> > > some for monetry reasons.

> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

> > > >>> Jainism, Budhism,

> > > >>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific

> > > > religion,

> > > >>> then why

> > > >>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not,

suggesting

> > > >>> something which

> > > >>>> > is

> > > >>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory,

> > religion

> > > >>> etc).

> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

produce

> > > > it,

> > > >>> and we star

> > > >>>> > in

> > > >>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > jyotish_vani@

> > > >>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying

with

> > > > more

> > > >>> food for

> > > >>>> > > > thought.

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am

> sorry

> > > > dear

> > > >>> tolerant

> > > >>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

> > > > religious/non-

> > > >>> ritual

> > > >>>> > type

> > > >>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly

fail to

> > > >>> notice the

> > > >>>> > strength

> > > >>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive

> > > > mother

> > > >>> to do her

> > > >>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father

> > > > scientist

> > > >>> manager

> > > >>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

> > > >>> scriptures such as

> > > >>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very

intensively

> > > >>> tuning into

> > > >>>> > that

> > > >>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core

> > > > scientist

> > > >>> and one of

> > > >>>> > the

> > > >>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known,

> > > > europe

> > > >>> trained and

> > > >>>> > all

> > > >>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the

wall

> > > > next

> > > >>> to his bed

> > > >>>> > for

> > > >>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

> > > > Ramakrishna

> > > >>> in the next

> > > >>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This

man

> > > > always

> > > >>>> > pooh-poohed

> > > >>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never

> > really

> > > >>> stopped me

> > > >>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being

successful

> > > > at a

> > > >>> few things

> > > >>>> > in

> > > >>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be.

There

> > was

> > > > a

> > > >>> moment when

> > > >>>> > I

> > > >>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

> > > >>> miscellany quizzes

> > > >>>> > in

> > > >>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly

> showed

> > > > it

> > > >>> to him. He

> > > >>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even

today!

> > > > One of

> > > >>> his

> > > >>>> > favourite

> > > >>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > And success is a personal perception!

> > Unfortunately

> > > >>> most of us do

> > > >>>> > not

> > > >>>> > > > come to terms with that.

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being

irrelevant.

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality

has

> > > > much

> > > >>> more power

> > > >>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is

> > > > FLEXIBLE,

> > > >>> it

> > > >>>> > respects

> > > >>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades

> through

> > > > each

> > > >>> and every

> > > >>>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is

the

> > > > fullest

> > > >>>> > expression of

> > > >>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully

> > > > enjoying

> > > >>> those,

> > > >>>> > never

> > > >>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > RR

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > ,

> srinivasa

> > > >>> murthy adavi

> > > >>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

> > > >>>> > > >>

> > > >>>> > > >> Dear Sir

> > > >>>> > > >> A few more words-

> > > >>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that

wherever

> > > >>> cosmological

> > > >>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them

God

> > > > reveals

> > > >>> himself

> > > >>>> > in

> > > >>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

> > > >>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu

and

> > > > Shiva

> > > >>> along with

> > > >>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva

> etc,and

> > > >>> others like

> > > >>>> > Shirdi

> > > >>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus

> > Christ,Prophet

> > > >>> Mohammed etc

> > > >>>> > all

> > > >>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods

for

> > > >>> bringing in the

> > > >>>> > > > cosmological harmony.

> > > >>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more

> madeout

> > by

> > > >>> selfish

> > > >>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to

gain

> > false

> > > >>> sympathy and

> > > >>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more

> > > > personal

> > > >>> or for a

> > > >>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

> > > >>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-

The

> > > > people

> > > >>> (some)

> > > >>>> > are

> > > >>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae

> > theselves

> > > >>> are not

> > > >>>> > > bothering

> > > >>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here

the

> > > >>> question is the

> > > >>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of

> > creativeness

> > > >>> and freedom

> > > >>>> > of

> > > >>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna

> > married

> > > > 8

> > > >>> women and

> > > >>>> > gave

> > > >>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other

wives,the

> > > > truth

> > > >>> was never

> > > >>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world

the

> > > >>> importance of

> > > >>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form

of

> > > >>> TheDivine even

> > > >>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed

as

> > > > truth

> > > >>> that jesus

> > > >>>> > was

> > > >>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take

liberty

> (in

> > > > the

> > > >>> name of

> > > >>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the

> > > > truth.Some

> > > >>> day we

> > > >>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the

branch

> > on

> > > >>> which we're

> > > >>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish

> > > > desires

> > > >>> these

> > > >>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

> > > > religious

> > > >>>> > tenets.We'll

> > > >>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami

> > without

> > > >>> warning.So

> > > >>>> > please

> > > >>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom

of

> > > >>> expression media

> > > >>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed

dangerous

> > > >>> boundaries.

> > > >>>> > > >>

> > > >>>> > > >> regards

> > > >>>> > > >>

> > > >>>> > > >> srinivas

> > > >>>> > > >>

> > > >>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >>>> > > >> Sri,

> > > >>>> > > >>

> > > >>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your

> > > > message

> > > >>> but when

> > > >>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the

> > image

> > > > of

> > > >>> a Kind and

> > > >>>> > > > Wise

> > > >>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best

> > > > interests

> > > >>>> > (actually

> > > >>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any

parent!)

> > > >>>> > > >>

> > > >>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief

have

> > > > stood

> > > >>> all

> > > >>>> > religions

> > > >>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong,

would

> > > > they

> > > >>> still be

> > > >>>> > here?

> > > >>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity

> that

> > > > has

> > > >>> been

> > > >>>> > > > associated

> > > >>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or

> another.

> > > >>>> > > >>

> > > >>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish,

though

> > with

> > > > some

> > > >>>> > difficulty!

> > > >>>> > > >>

> > > >>>> > > >> RR

> > > >>>> > > >>

> > > >>>> > > >> ,

> > srinivasa

> > > >>> murthy adavi

> > > >>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>> Dear Members,

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based

on

> > the

> > > >>> sermon

> > > >>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

> > > >>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

> > > > particular

> > > >>> mantra(when

> > > >>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja

done

> > > > based

> > > >>> on saatwik

> > > >>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH

> > AdiSankaracharya

> > > > or

> > > >>> Other

> > > >>>> > Revered

> > > >>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if

> > prescribed

> > > >>> mantra is

> > > >>>> > the

> > > >>>> > > > apt

> > > >>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will

lead

> > to

> > > > a

> > > >>> proper

> > > >>>> > person

> > > >>>> > > > at

> > > >>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such

> that

> > > > the

> > > >>> native

> > > >>>> > gets

> > > >>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner

> > > > fortitude

> > > >>> to

> > > >>>> > withstand

> > > >>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without

> > letting

> > > >>> him loose

> > > >>>> > his

> > > >>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in

our

> > > > work

> > > >>> spot if we

> > > >>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a

problem,he

> > will

> > > >>> solve himself

> > > >>>> > > > (if

> > > >>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or

he

> > will

> > > >>> direct us to

> > > >>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

> > > >>> authorised one).

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>> regards

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>> srinivas

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > >>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your

observation.

> > The

> > > >>> quick remedy

> > > >>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer

too.

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for

> > > > shani,

> > > >>> mars,

> > > >>>> > > > rahu/ketu

> > > >>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for

example -

> > > >>> jyotishi

> > > >>>> > suggest

> > > >>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make

sense?

> > > > and if

> > > >>> the

> > > >>>> > native

> > > >>>> > > > is

> > > >>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following

krishna's

> > > >>> pooja; then

> > > >>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy,

> then

> > > > it

> > > >>> must also

> > > >>>> > be

> > > >>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse /

afliction

> > etc

> > > >>> can be

> > > >>>> > remedied

> > > >>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age

(or

> > say

> > > >>> which dasha

> > > >>>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to

invoke

> > > >>> powers) require

> > > >>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think,

not

> > all

> > > > the

> > > >>> people

> > > >>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such

rituals

> > > > well.

> > > >>> and if

> > > >>>> > does

> > > >>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the

standard

> > > > excuse

> > > >>> for the

> > > >>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined

> > > > vidhi of

> > > >>> surya

> > > >>>> > naman

> > > >>>> > > > (

> > > >>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

> > > > circumstances),

> > > >>> offering

> > > >>>> > > > water

> > > >>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja

> etc.

> > I

> > > > do

> > > >>> not think,

> > > >>>> > > > the

> > > >>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is

going to

> > > > help

> > > >>> without

> > > >>>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue -

how

> do

> > we

> > > >>> know, if the

> > > >>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not

required

> > > > any

> > > >>> more?

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> > > > produce

> > > >>> it, and we

> > > >>>> > > > star

> > > >>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your

life!!

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > >>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

> > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

> > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear members,

> > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture

at

> > > >>> Bhartiya Vidya

> > > >>>> > > >> mandir, a

> > > >>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

> > > > proffessor ,told

> > > >>> us

> > > >>>> > students

> > > >>>> > > > a

> > > >>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

> > > >>> remedies,without

> > > >>>> > > > knowledge,

> > > >>>> > > >> its

> > > >>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many

times,

> > of

> > > > this

> > > >>>> > statement

> > > >>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

> > > > forthcoming

> > > >>> or news

> > > >>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong

remedy is

> > > >>> suggested. Also

> > > >>>> > > > it

> > > >>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the

astrologer,

> > > > when he

> > > >>> suggests

> > > >>>> > so

> > > >>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is

> saying.

> > > > For

> > > >>> eg.for

> > > >>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the

native

> to

> > do

> > > >>> pooja of

> > > >>>> > > >> Lakshmi,

> > > >>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the

> > shakti

> > > >>> may be one,

> > > >>>> > > > but

> > > >>>> > > >> the

> > > >>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas

like

> > > > sattwa,

> > > >>> tamas or

> > > >>>> > > >> rajas.

> > > >>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the

native ?

> > > > Also

> > > >>> at times

> > > >>>> > > > stones

> > > >>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the

> > divine

> > > >>> couloured

> > > >>>> > rays

> > > >>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case

> > > > solidified

> > > >>>> > state),also

> > > >>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if

> suggested

> > > >>> wrongly.

> > > >>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for

> Mahadasha

> > > >>> lord, some for

> > > >>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

> > > > suggesting

> > > >>> the stone

> > > >>>> > at

> > > >>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric

> > results

> > > >>> also which

> > > >>>> > > > would

> > > >>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for.

For

> > > > ex.Libra

> > > >>>> > > > native.Will

> > > >>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native?

> Only

> > > >>> experience

> > > >>>> > from

> > > >>>> > > >> the

> > > >>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge.

> > > > Talking of

> > > >>> mantras,

> > > >>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the

rishi

> > > > munis

> > > >>> of ancient

> > > >>>> > > >> times

> > > >>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple

> > recite

> > > >>> the mantra

> > > >>>> > in

> > > >>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the

> same

> > > >>> mantra

> > > >>>> > wrongly,

> > > >>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of

course

> > they

> > > >>> had the

> > > >>>> > power

> > > >>>> > > > to

> > > >>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and

then,

> > but

> > > >>> what about

> > > >>>> > us

> > > >>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for

> > long,

> > > > but

> > > >>> the point

> > > >>>> > > > is,

> > > >>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

> > > > remedies.

> > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>> regards,

> > > >>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

> > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>> ,

> > Prafulla

> > > >>> Gang

> > > >>>> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > >>>> > > >>>> wrote:

> > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

> > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so

> > > > please

> > > >>> do not

> > > >>>> > > > misread

> > > >>>> > > >> me.

> > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult

combinations,

> > > > curses

> > > >>> etc in a

> > > >>>> > > > chart

> > > >>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures

(per

> > his

> > > >>> experience).

> > > >>>> > > >> Native

> > > >>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some

remedy

> > > > (may

> > > >>> be

> > > >>>> > > > alternative

> > > >>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose)

knowingly

> or

> > > >>> unknowlingly

> > > >>>> > > > (for

> > > >>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful

> > remedy

> > > > for

> > > >>> rahu /

> > > >>>> > > > ketu;

> > > >>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without

> > > > thinking

> > > >>> it as

> > > >>>> > remedy

> > > >>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

> > > > recommendation

> > > >>> of

> > > >>>> > > > remedies,

> > > >>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events /

> daily

> > > >>> routine etc.

> > > >>>> > > >> Should

> > > >>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this -

> > Specifically -

> > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the

> > curse /

> > > >>> affliction

> > > >>>> > > >> related

> > > >>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more

required?

> > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at

> > > > respective

> > > >>> planetary

> > > >>>> > > >> ages

> > > >>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are

> considered

> > > > to

> > > >>> be fully

> > > >>>> > > > done

> > > >>>> > > >> or

> > > >>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist

> like.

> > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good

> practice

> > > > of

> > > >>> suggesting

> > > >>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol;

especially

> > > > around

> > > >>> mantras.

> > > >>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something -

must

> be

> > > > in

> > > >>> line with

> > > >>>> > > >> native's

> > > >>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras

etc

> > > > involve

> > > >>> lots of

> > > >>>> > > >> rituals

> > > >>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

> > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and

> > assessment

> > > > of

> > > >>> its need

> > > >>>> > is

> > > >>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be

dealt so

> > > >>> casually by

> > > >>>> > > > fellow

> > > >>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the

list

> > > >>> astrologers)

> > > >>>> > and

> > > >>>> > > >> to a

> > > >>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for

> > getting

> > > >>> into

> > > >>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

> > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it,

we

> > > > produce

> > > >>> it, and

> > > >>>> > we

> > > >>>> > > >> star

> > > >>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your

life!!

> > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> >

> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

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> > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

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> > > >>>> > > >>

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> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > > Prashantkumar G B

> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> > > >>>

> > > >>>> > group

> > > >>>> > > but

> > > >>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by

chat,

> > > > mail

> > > >>> or phone.

> > > >>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

> > > >>>> > > 09840051861

> > > >>>> > >

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> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > >

> > > >>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check

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> > the

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> > > >>>> >

> > > >>>> > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> > > >>> group

> > > >>>> > but

> > > >>>> > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

> mail

> > or

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[Guest guest]

Dear Pandit Arjun ji

 

Request to you to permit members to post their experiences for each planet (while discussing remedy):

 

for example - astrologers can explain the type of negative results, one may get for malefic sun or weak sun. It will help, in learning to diagnose the problem areas.

 

Sir one more request - if we post segregated remedial measures (into - dealing with malefic planet and weak benefic planets), this will really help us all (including jyotish students like me and people who seek remedies).

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

After every "victory" you have more enemies.

 

 

>

> panditarjun2004

> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:24:04 -0000

>

> new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN

>

> dear prafullaji

>

> as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS

> discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we mean

> remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that

> particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with

> which the native stands benefited.

>

> so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. when

> sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in

> conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and

> ketu, we find negative results.

>

> following are the general remedies which can be followed for any

> type of sun related problems:

>

> 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day

> 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day

> 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven horses

> and offering it a red flower daily.

> 4. fasting on sundays.

> 5. donate wheat grains.

> 6. donate food to blind people.

> 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread.

> 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger.

> 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol.

>

> members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the reasoning

> or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my

> understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and

> hence can be done as an upay for sun.

>

> this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all

> remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are

> free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more

> light.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

>>

>> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to structure

> this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies,

> then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their

> experiences / various remedies.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> panditarjun2004

>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>

>>> dear friends

>>>

>>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to

>>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply

>>> facts, references and past results with various people from which

>>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss

> one

>>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we

>>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution this

>>> group would have ever got.

>>>

>>> with best wishes

>>> pandit arjun

>>>

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji

>>>>

>>>> Very well said.

>>>>

>>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the

> remedies

>>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra

> is

>>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting

>>> system for shani / ketu.

>>>>

>>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary

>>> factor.

>>>>

>>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for

>>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started

>>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is

> required (I

>>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed

>>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age /

> transit /

>>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc).

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> panditarjun2004@

>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>>>

>>>>> dear friends

>>>>>

>>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells

>>> well

>>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the

>>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again,

>>>>> periodically in all groups.

>>>>>

>>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for

>>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully.

>>>>>

>>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that

>>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by

> ALL

>>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions.

>>>>>

>>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other

> religions

>>> DO

>>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a

>>> person

>>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions,

>>> these

>>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as

>>> devotees

>>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like

>>> prafulla

>>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih

>>> both

>>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains

>>> along

>>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which

>>> are

>>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

>>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow,

>>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran.

>>>>>

>>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies

>>> with

>>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers,

>>> chartered

>>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law

>>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the

> PRESENT

>>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when

>>> comes

>>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not

>>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from

>>> orient

>>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present

>>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale

> is

>>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any

>>>>> religious person.

>>>>>

>>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal

>>> expereinces

>>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately

>>> in

>>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and

>>> try

>>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not

> get

>>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it.

>>> similarly

>>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and

>>> hence

>>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best

>>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to

>>> alcohol

>>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get

>>> it.

>>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his

>>> being

>>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and

>>> start

>>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and

>>> has

>>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his

> ancestors,

>>> he

>>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his

>>> previous

>>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins

> which

>>> is

>>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and

> are

>>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles.

>>>>>

>>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal

>>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so

>>> that

>>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular

> remedy

>>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many

> people

>>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

>>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot

>>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved

> best

>>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies.

>>>>>

>>>>> with best wishes

>>>>> pandit arjun

>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by

>>> any

>>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sir,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your

>>>>>>> goodself has mentioned.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if

> done

>>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

>>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last

>>>>>>> 2 decades.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope,

>>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with

> own

>>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors

>>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting

>>> regularly)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the

> house.

>>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female

>>> members

>>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure

> longlife

>>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above,

>>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though

>>> indirectly.

>>>>>>> Thank You.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B

>>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Prafulla

>>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM

> between

>>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for

> diff

>>>>>>> planets

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives

>>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

>>>>> diorders.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help

> for

>>>>> many

>>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on

>>> respirotary

>>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother

> religious

>>>>> works

>>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is

>>>>> prescribed,

>>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available.

>>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them

>>> so

>>>>> did

>>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine

> systems

>>>>> to get

>>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too

> who

>>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do

> try

>>>>> whole

>>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as

>>>>> breathing.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know

> muslims

>>>>> who

>>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was

> a

>>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a

>>>>> look in

>>>>>>> archives.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>>>>>> wrote: Dear

>>> Shri

>>>>>>> Kumar ji

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me):

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for

>>> the

>>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

>>>>> strengtht to

>>>>>>> find realistic solutions

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role,

>>> if

>>>>> any.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as

> possible,

>>>>> must

>>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of

> suggesting

>>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more

>>> authentic

>>>>>>> remedies

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the

>>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the

>>>>> planet.

>>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) -

>>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit

> more

>>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment

> little

>>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may

>>> tone

>>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping

> up

>>>>> with

>>>>>>> challenges.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

> and

>>> we

>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -

> 4

>>>>> tantra

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > Prafulla,

>>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r

>>>>> offshoots

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil

>>>>> design

>>>>>>> or black

>>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and

> helped

>>>>> in

>>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to

> watch

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> rise of

>>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions

> have

>>>>> very

>>>>>>> intense

>>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in

>>> tantras

>>>>> (do

>>>>>>> not mix

>>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

> it,

>>>>> and

>>>>>>> we star in

>>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

>>>>> 23/27 -2

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla,

>>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r

> not

>>>>>>> bbeong done or

>>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen

> or

>>>>> child

>>>>>>> or huam

>>>>>>>> > so

>>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was

>>> excessive

>>>>>>> balis then

>>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if

>>>>> there

>>>>>>> was no

>>>>>>>> > rain or

>>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons.

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

>>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism,

>>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific

>>>>> religion,

>>>>>>> then why

>>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

>>>>>>> something which

>>>>>>>> > is

>>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory,

>>> religion

>>>>>>> etc).

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> produce

>>>>> it,

>>>>>>> and we star

>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@

>>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying

> with

>>>>> more

>>>>>>> food for

>>>>>>>> > > > thought.

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am

> sorry

>>>>> dear

>>>>>>> tolerant

>>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

>>>>> religious/non-

>>>>>>> ritual

>>>>>>>> > type

>>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail

> to

>>>>>>> notice the

>>>>>>>> > strength

>>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive

>>>>> mother

>>>>>>> to do her

>>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father

>>>>> scientist

>>>>>>> manager

>>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

>>>>>>> scriptures such as

>>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very

> intensively

>>>>>>> tuning into

>>>>>>>> > that

>>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core

>>>>> scientist

>>>>>>> and one of

>>>>>>>> > the

>>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known,

>>>>> europe

>>>>>>> trained and

>>>>>>>> > all

>>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the

> wall

>>>>> next

>>>>>>> to his bed

>>>>>>>> > for

>>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

>>>>> Ramakrishna

>>>>>>> in the next

>>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This

> man

>>>>> always

>>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed

>>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never

>>> really

>>>>>>> stopped me

>>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being

> successful

>>>>> at a

>>>>>>> few things

>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There

>>> was

>>>>> a

>>>>>>> moment when

>>>>>>>> > I

>>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

>>>>>>> miscellany quizzes

>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly

> showed

>>>>> it

>>>>>>> to him. He

>>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today!

>>>>> One of

>>>>>>> his

>>>>>>>> > favourite

>>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception!

>>> Unfortunately

>>>>>>> most of us do

>>>>>>>> > not

>>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that.

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being

> irrelevant.

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality

> has

>>>>> much

>>>>>>> more power

>>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is

>>>>> FLEXIBLE,

>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>> > respects

>>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades

> through

>>>>> each

>>>>>>> and every

>>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the

>>>>> fullest

>>>>>>>> > expression of

>>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully

>>>>> enjoying

>>>>>>> those,

>>>>>>>> > never

>>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > RR

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > ,

> srinivasa

>>>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir

>>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words-

>>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

>>>>>>> cosmological

>>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God

>>>>> reveals

>>>>>>> himself

>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

>>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and

>>>>> Shiva

>>>>>>> along with

>>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva

> etc,and

>>>>>>> others like

>>>>>>>> > Shirdi

>>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus

>>> Christ,Prophet

>>>>>>> Mohammed etc

>>>>>>>> > all

>>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for

>>>>>>> bringing in the

>>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony.

>>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more

> madeout

>>> by

>>>>>>> selfish

>>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain

>>> false

>>>>>>> sympathy and

>>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more

>>>>> personal

>>>>>>> or for a

>>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

>>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-

> The

>>>>> people

>>>>>>> (some)

>>>>>>>> > are

>>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae

>>> theselves

>>>>>>> are not

>>>>>>>> > > bothering

>>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the

>>>>>>> question is the

>>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of

>>> creativeness

>>>>>>> and freedom

>>>>>>>> > of

>>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna

>>> married

>>>>> 8

>>>>>>> women and

>>>>>>>> > gave

>>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the

>>>>> truth

>>>>>>> was never

>>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the

>>>>>>> importance of

>>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of

>>>>>>> TheDivine even

>>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as

>>>>> truth

>>>>>>> that jesus

>>>>>>>> > was

>>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty

> (in

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> name of

>>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the

>>>>> truth.Some

>>>>>>> day we

>>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch

>>> on

>>>>>>> which we're

>>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish

>>>>> desires

>>>>>>> these

>>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

>>>>> religious

>>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll

>>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami

>>> without

>>>>>>> warning.So

>>>>>>>> > please

>>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of

>>>>>>> expression media

>>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

>>>>>>> boundaries.

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> regards

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > >> Sri,

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your

>>>>> message

>>>>>>> but when

>>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the

>>> image

>>>>> of

>>>>>>> a Kind and

>>>>>>>> > > > Wise

>>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best

>>>>> interests

>>>>>>>> > (actually

>>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have

>>>>> stood

>>>>>>> all

>>>>>>>> > religions

>>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would

>>>>> they

>>>>>>> still be

>>>>>>>> > here?

>>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity

> that

>>>>> has

>>>>>>> been

>>>>>>>> > > > associated

>>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or

> another.

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though

>>> with

>>>>> some

>>>>>>>> > difficulty!

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> RR

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> ,

>>> srinivasa

>>>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on

>>> the

>>>>>>> sermon

>>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

>>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

>>>>> particular

>>>>>>> mantra(when

>>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done

>>>>> based

>>>>>>> on saatwik

>>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH

>>> AdiSankaracharya

>>>>> or

>>>>>>> Other

>>>>>>>> > Revered

>>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if

>>> prescribed

>>>>>>> mantra is

>>>>>>>> > the

>>>>>>>> > > > apt

>>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead

>>> to

>>>>> a

>>>>>>> proper

>>>>>>>> > person

>>>>>>>> > > > at

>>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such

> that

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> native

>>>>>>>> > gets

>>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner

>>>>> fortitude

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> > withstand

>>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without

>>> letting

>>>>>>> him loose

>>>>>>>> > his

>>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in

> our

>>>>> work

>>>>>>> spot if we

>>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he

>>> will

>>>>>>> solve himself

>>>>>>>> > > > (if

>>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he

>>> will

>>>>>>> direct us to

>>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

>>>>>>> authorised one).

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation.

>>> The

>>>>>>> quick remedy

>>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for

>>>>> shani,

>>>>>>> mars,

>>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu

>>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for

> example -

>>>>>>> jyotishi

>>>>>>>> > suggest

>>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense?

>>>>> and if

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> > native

>>>>>>>> > > > is

>>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following

> krishna's

>>>>>>> pooja; then

>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy,

> then

>>>>> it

>>>>>>> must also

>>>>>>>> > be

>>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction

>>> etc

>>>>>>> can be

>>>>>>>> > remedied

>>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or

>>> say

>>>>>>> which dasha

>>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke

>>>>>>> powers) require

>>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not

>>> all

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such

> rituals

>>>>> well.

>>>>>>> and if

>>>>>>>> > does

>>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard

>>>>> excuse

>>>>>>> for the

>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined

>>>>> vidhi of

>>>>>>> surya

>>>>>>>> > naman

>>>>>>>> > > > (

>>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

>>>>> circumstances),

>>>>>>> offering

>>>>>>>> > > > water

>>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja

> etc.

>>> I

>>>>> do

>>>>>>> not think,

>>>>>>>> > > > the

>>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going

> to

>>>>> help

>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how

> do

>>> we

>>>>>>> know, if the

>>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not

> required

>>>>> any

>>>>>>> more?

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>>>> produce

>>>>>>> it, and we

>>>>>>>> > > > star

>>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at

>>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya

>>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

>>>>> proffessor ,told

>>>>>>> us

>>>>>>>> > students

>>>>>>>> > > > a

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

>>>>>>> remedies,without

>>>>>>>> > > > knowledge,

>>>>>>>> > > >> its

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times,

>>> of

>>>>> this

>>>>>>>> > statement

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

>>>>> forthcoming

>>>>>>> or news

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy

> is

>>>>>>> suggested. Also

>>>>>>>> > > > it

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer,

>>>>> when he

>>>>>>> suggests

>>>>>>>> > so

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is

> saying.

>>>>> For

>>>>>>> eg.for

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native

> to

>>> do

>>>>>>> pooja of

>>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the

>>> shakti

>>>>>>> may be one,

>>>>>>>> > > > but

>>>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like

>>>>> sattwa,

>>>>>>> tamas or

>>>>>>>> > > >> rajas.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ?

>>>>> Also

>>>>>>> at times

>>>>>>>> > > > stones

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the

>>> divine

>>>>>>> couloured

>>>>>>>> > rays

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case

>>>>> solidified

>>>>>>>> > state),also

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if

> suggested

>>>>>>> wrongly.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for

> Mahadasha

>>>>>>> lord, some for

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>>> the stone

>>>>>>>> > at

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric

>>> results

>>>>>>> also which

>>>>>>>> > > > would

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For

>>>>> ex.Libra

>>>>>>>> > > > native.Will

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native?

> Only

>>>>>>> experience

>>>>>>>> > from

>>>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge.

>>>>> Talking of

>>>>>>> mantras,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi

>>>>> munis

>>>>>>> of ancient

>>>>>>>> > > >> times

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple

>>> recite

>>>>>>> the mantra

>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the

> same

>>>>>>> mantra

>>>>>>>> > wrongly,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course

>>> they

>>>>>>> had the

>>>>>>>> > power

>>>>>>>> > > > to

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then,

>>> but

>>>>>>> what about

>>>>>>>> > us

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for

>>> long,

>>>>> but

>>>>>>> the point

>>>>>>>> > > > is,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

>>>>> remedies.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> ,

>>> Prafulla

>>>>>>> Gang

>>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so

>>>>> please

>>>>>>> do not

>>>>>>>> > > > misread

>>>>>>>> > > >> me.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations,

>>>>> curses

>>>>>>> etc in a

>>>>>>>> > > > chart

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per

>>> his

>>>>>>> experience).

>>>>>>>> > > >> Native

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some

> remedy

>>>>> (may

>>>>>>> be

>>>>>>>> > > > alternative

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly

> or

>>>>>>> unknowlingly

>>>>>>>> > > > (for

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful

>>> remedy

>>>>> for

>>>>>>> rahu /

>>>>>>>> > > > ketu;

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without

>>>>> thinking

>>>>>>> it as

>>>>>>>> > remedy

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

>>>>> recommendation

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>> > > > remedies,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events /

> daily

>>>>>>> routine etc.

>>>>>>>> > > >> Should

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this -

>>> Specifically -

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the

>>> curse /

>>>>>>> affliction

>>>>>>>> > > >> related

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at

>>>>> respective

>>>>>>> planetary

>>>>>>>> > > >> ages

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are

> considered

>>>>> to

>>>>>>> be fully

>>>>>>>> > > > done

>>>>>>>> > > >> or

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist

> like.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good

> practice

>>>>> of

>>>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially

>>>>> around

>>>>>>> mantras.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must

> be

>>>>> in

>>>>>>> line with

>>>>>>>> > > >> native's

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc

>>>>> involve

>>>>>>> lots of

>>>>>>>> > > >> rituals

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and

>>> assessment

>>>>> of

>>>>>>> its need

>>>>>>>> > is

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt

> so

>>>>>>> casually by

>>>>>>>> > > > fellow

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the

> list

>>>>>>> astrologers)

>>>>>>>> > and

>>>>>>>> > > >> to a

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for

>>> getting

>>>>>>> into

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>>>> produce

>>>>>>> it, and

>>>>>>>> > we

>>>>>>>> > > >> star

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your

> life!!

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

>>>>>>> protection around

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

>>>>> removed]

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

>>>>>>> protection around

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been

>>>>> removed]

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > Prashantkumar G B

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> > group

>>>>>>>> > > but

>>>>>>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

>>>>> mail

>>>>>>> or phone.

>>>>>>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

>>>>>>>> > > 09840051861

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out

>>> the

>>>>>>> handy

>>>>>>>> > changes to

>>>>>>>> > > .

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > Prashantkumar G B

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>>>>>>> group

>>>>>>>> > but

>>>>>>>> > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

> mail

>>> or

>>>>>>> phone.

>>>>>>>> > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

>>>>>>>> > 09840051861

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone

>>>>> calls.

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>>>>>>>> > rates starting at 1¢/min.

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Pandit Arjun ji

 

In my experiences with few local astrologers - I observed little modifed remedies (from the detailed list you provided)

 

fasting on sundays should be broken like rojas in islam (at sun set) and in that evening meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic sun)

 

charities of red wheat / gud etc to kshatriya community person (some suggest the weight of wheat to be equal to the weight of native) - malefic sun

 

Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like recitation of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun)

 

Some more remedies, i observed people pursuing for malefic sun

 

prior to commencement of any work / meeting, eat a piece of "Mishri" (I think, it is lal kitab's totka)

 

In the sunday evening (around sun set), offering roti (baked on fire) cooked from left out flour to an sitting OX (one will seldom find an Ox sitting around sunset time)

 

 

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

After every "victory" you have more enemies.

 

 

>

> panditarjun2004

> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:24:04 -0000

>

> new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN

>

> dear prafullaji

>

> as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS

> discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we mean

> remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that

> particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with

> which the native stands benefited.

>

> so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN. when

> sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in

> conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and

> ketu, we find negative results.

>

> following are the general remedies which can be followed for any

> type of sun related problems:

>

> 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day

> 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day

> 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven horses

> and offering it a red flower daily.

> 4. fasting on sundays.

> 5. donate wheat grains.

> 6. donate food to blind people.

> 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread.

> 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger.

> 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol.

>

> members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the reasoning

> or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my

> understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and

> hence can be done as an upay for sun.

>

> this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all

> remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are

> free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more

> light.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

>>

>> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to structure

> this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies,

> then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their

> experiences / various remedies.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> panditarjun2004

>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>

>>> dear friends

>>>

>>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to

>>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply

>>> facts, references and past results with various people from which

>>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss

> one

>>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we

>>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution this

>>> group would have ever got.

>>>

>>> with best wishes

>>> pandit arjun

>>>

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji

>>>>

>>>> Very well said.

>>>>

>>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the

> remedies

>>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra

> is

>>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and fasting

>>> system for shani / ketu.

>>>>

>>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary

>>> factor.

>>>>

>>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for

>>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started

>>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is

> required (I

>>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already fixed

>>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age /

> transit /

>>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc).

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> panditarjun2004@

>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>>>

>>>>> dear friends

>>>>>

>>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells

>>> well

>>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the

>>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again,

>>>>> periodically in all groups.

>>>>>

>>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan for

>>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully.

>>>>>

>>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that

>>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by

> ALL

>>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL religions.

>>>>>

>>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other

> religions

>>> DO

>>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a

>>> person

>>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions,

>>> these

>>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as

>>> devotees

>>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like

>>> prafulla

>>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih

>>> both

>>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains

>>> along

>>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which

>>> are

>>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

>>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow,

>>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran.

>>>>>

>>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies

>>> with

>>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers,

>>> chartered

>>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law

>>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the

> PRESENT

>>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when

>>> comes

>>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not

>>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from

>>> orient

>>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present

>>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale

> is

>>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any

>>>>> religious person.

>>>>>

>>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal

>>> expereinces

>>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle. unfortunately

>>> in

>>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and

>>> try

>>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not

> get

>>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it.

>>> similarly

>>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and

>>> hence

>>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best

>>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to

>>> alcohol

>>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt get

>>> it.

>>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his

>>> being

>>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and

>>> start

>>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy and

>>> has

>>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his

> ancestors,

>>> he

>>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his

>>> previous

>>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins

> which

>>> is

>>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and

> are

>>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles.

>>>>>

>>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal

>>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy, so

>>> that

>>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular

> remedy

>>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many

> people

>>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

>>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he cannot

>>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved

> best

>>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies.

>>>>>

>>>>> with best wishes

>>>>> pandit arjun

>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra by

>>> any

>>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sir,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what Your

>>>>>>> goodself has mentioned.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if

> done

>>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

>>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last

>>>>>>> 2 decades.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in horoscope,

>>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with

> own

>>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors

>>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting

>>> regularly)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the

> house.

>>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female

>>> members

>>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure

> longlife

>>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above,

>>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though

>>> indirectly.

>>>>>>> Thank You.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B

>>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Prafulla

>>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM

> between

>>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for

> diff

>>>>>>> planets

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives

>>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

>>>>> diorders.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help

> for

>>>>> many

>>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on

>>> respirotary

>>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother

> religious

>>>>> works

>>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is

>>>>> prescribed,

>>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available.

>>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them

>>> so

>>>>> did

>>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine

> systems

>>>>> to get

>>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too

> who

>>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do

> try

>>>>> whole

>>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as

>>>>> breathing.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know

> muslims

>>>>> who

>>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was

> a

>>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a

>>>>> look in

>>>>>>> archives.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>>>>>> wrote: Dear

>>> Shri

>>>>>>> Kumar ji

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me):

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for

>>> the

>>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

>>>>> strengtht to

>>>>>>> find realistic solutions

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role,

>>> if

>>>>> any.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as

> possible,

>>>>> must

>>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of

> suggesting

>>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more

>>> authentic

>>>>>>> remedies

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the

>>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the

>>>>> planet.

>>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) -

>>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit

> more

>>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment

> little

>>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may

>>> tone

>>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping

> up

>>>>> with

>>>>>>> challenges.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

> and

>>> we

>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -

> 4

>>>>> tantra

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > Prafulla,

>>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r

>>>>> offshoots

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil

>>>>> design

>>>>>>> or black

>>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and

> helped

>>>>> in

>>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to

> watch

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> rise of

>>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions

> have

>>>>> very

>>>>>>> intense

>>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in

>>> tantras

>>>>> (do

>>>>>>> not mix

>>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

> it,

>>>>> and

>>>>>>> we star in

>>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

>>>>> 23/27 -2

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla,

>>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r

> not

>>>>>>> bbeong done or

>>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen

> or

>>>>> child

>>>>>>> or huam

>>>>>>>> > so

>>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was

>>> excessive

>>>>>>> balis then

>>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if

>>>>> there

>>>>>>> was no

>>>>>>>> > rain or

>>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons.

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

>>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism,

>>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific

>>>>> religion,

>>>>>>> then why

>>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

>>>>>>> something which

>>>>>>>> > is

>>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory,

>>> religion

>>>>>>> etc).

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> produce

>>>>> it,

>>>>>>> and we star

>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@

>>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying

> with

>>>>> more

>>>>>>> food for

>>>>>>>> > > > thought.

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am

> sorry

>>>>> dear

>>>>>>> tolerant

>>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

>>>>> religious/non-

>>>>>>> ritual

>>>>>>>> > type

>>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail

> to

>>>>>>> notice the

>>>>>>>> > strength

>>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive

>>>>> mother

>>>>>>> to do her

>>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father

>>>>> scientist

>>>>>>> manager

>>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

>>>>>>> scriptures such as

>>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very

> intensively

>>>>>>> tuning into

>>>>>>>> > that

>>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core

>>>>> scientist

>>>>>>> and one of

>>>>>>>> > the

>>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known,

>>>>> europe

>>>>>>> trained and

>>>>>>>> > all

>>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the

> wall

>>>>> next

>>>>>>> to his bed

>>>>>>>> > for

>>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

>>>>> Ramakrishna

>>>>>>> in the next

>>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This

> man

>>>>> always

>>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed

>>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never

>>> really

>>>>>>> stopped me

>>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being

> successful

>>>>> at a

>>>>>>> few things

>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There

>>> was

>>>>> a

>>>>>>> moment when

>>>>>>>> > I

>>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

>>>>>>> miscellany quizzes

>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly

> showed

>>>>> it

>>>>>>> to him. He

>>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today!

>>>>> One of

>>>>>>> his

>>>>>>>> > favourite

>>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception!

>>> Unfortunately

>>>>>>> most of us do

>>>>>>>> > not

>>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that.

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being

> irrelevant.

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality

> has

>>>>> much

>>>>>>> more power

>>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is

>>>>> FLEXIBLE,

>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>> > respects

>>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades

> through

>>>>> each

>>>>>>> and every

>>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the

>>>>> fullest

>>>>>>>> > expression of

>>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully

>>>>> enjoying

>>>>>>> those,

>>>>>>>> > never

>>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > RR

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>> > > > ,

> srinivasa

>>>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir

>>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words-

>>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

>>>>>>> cosmological

>>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God

>>>>> reveals

>>>>>>> himself

>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

>>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and

>>>>> Shiva

>>>>>>> along with

>>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva

> etc,and

>>>>>>> others like

>>>>>>>> > Shirdi

>>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus

>>> Christ,Prophet

>>>>>>> Mohammed etc

>>>>>>>> > all

>>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for

>>>>>>> bringing in the

>>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony.

>>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more

> madeout

>>> by

>>>>>>> selfish

>>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain

>>> false

>>>>>>> sympathy and

>>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more

>>>>> personal

>>>>>>> or for a

>>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

>>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-

> The

>>>>> people

>>>>>>> (some)

>>>>>>>> > are

>>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae

>>> theselves

>>>>>>> are not

>>>>>>>> > > bothering

>>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the

>>>>>>> question is the

>>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of

>>> creativeness

>>>>>>> and freedom

>>>>>>>> > of

>>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna

>>> married

>>>>> 8

>>>>>>> women and

>>>>>>>> > gave

>>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the

>>>>> truth

>>>>>>> was never

>>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the

>>>>>>> importance of

>>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of

>>>>>>> TheDivine even

>>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as

>>>>> truth

>>>>>>> that jesus

>>>>>>>> > was

>>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty

> (in

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> name of

>>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the

>>>>> truth.Some

>>>>>>> day we

>>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch

>>> on

>>>>>>> which we're

>>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish

>>>>> desires

>>>>>>> these

>>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

>>>>> religious

>>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll

>>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami

>>> without

>>>>>>> warning.So

>>>>>>>> > please

>>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of

>>>>>>> expression media

>>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

>>>>>>> boundaries.

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> regards

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > >> Sri,

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your

>>>>> message

>>>>>>> but when

>>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the

>>> image

>>>>> of

>>>>>>> a Kind and

>>>>>>>> > > > Wise

>>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best

>>>>> interests

>>>>>>>> > (actually

>>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have

>>>>> stood

>>>>>>> all

>>>>>>>> > religions

>>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would

>>>>> they

>>>>>>> still be

>>>>>>>> > here?

>>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity

> that

>>>>> has

>>>>>>> been

>>>>>>>> > > > associated

>>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or

> another.

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though

>>> with

>>>>> some

>>>>>>>> > difficulty!

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> RR

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >> ,

>>> srinivasa

>>>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on

>>> the

>>>>>>> sermon

>>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

>>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

>>>>> particular

>>>>>>> mantra(when

>>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done

>>>>> based

>>>>>>> on saatwik

>>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH

>>> AdiSankaracharya

>>>>> or

>>>>>>> Other

>>>>>>>> > Revered

>>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if

>>> prescribed

>>>>>>> mantra is

>>>>>>>> > the

>>>>>>>> > > > apt

>>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead

>>> to

>>>>> a

>>>>>>> proper

>>>>>>>> > person

>>>>>>>> > > > at

>>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such

> that

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> native

>>>>>>>> > gets

>>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner

>>>>> fortitude

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> > withstand

>>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without

>>> letting

>>>>>>> him loose

>>>>>>>> > his

>>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in

> our

>>>>> work

>>>>>>> spot if we

>>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he

>>> will

>>>>>>> solve himself

>>>>>>>> > > > (if

>>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he

>>> will

>>>>>>> direct us to

>>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

>>>>>>> authorised one).

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation.

>>> The

>>>>>>> quick remedy

>>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for

>>>>> shani,

>>>>>>> mars,

>>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu

>>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for

> example -

>>>>>>> jyotishi

>>>>>>>> > suggest

>>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense?

>>>>> and if

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> > native

>>>>>>>> > > > is

>>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following

> krishna's

>>>>>>> pooja; then

>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy,

> then

>>>>> it

>>>>>>> must also

>>>>>>>> > be

>>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction

>>> etc

>>>>>>> can be

>>>>>>>> > remedied

>>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or

>>> say

>>>>>>> which dasha

>>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke

>>>>>>> powers) require

>>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not

>>> all

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such

> rituals

>>>>> well.

>>>>>>> and if

>>>>>>>> > does

>>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard

>>>>> excuse

>>>>>>> for the

>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined

>>>>> vidhi of

>>>>>>> surya

>>>>>>>> > naman

>>>>>>>> > > > (

>>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

>>>>> circumstances),

>>>>>>> offering

>>>>>>>> > > > water

>>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja

> etc.

>>> I

>>>>> do

>>>>>>> not think,

>>>>>>>> > > > the

>>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going

> to

>>>>> help

>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how

> do

>>> we

>>>>>>> know, if the

>>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not

> required

>>>>> any

>>>>>>> more?

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>>>> produce

>>>>>>> it, and we

>>>>>>>> > > > star

>>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at

>>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya

>>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

>>>>> proffessor ,told

>>>>>>> us

>>>>>>>> > students

>>>>>>>> > > > a

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

>>>>>>> remedies,without

>>>>>>>> > > > knowledge,

>>>>>>>> > > >> its

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times,

>>> of

>>>>> this

>>>>>>>> > statement

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

>>>>> forthcoming

>>>>>>> or news

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy

> is

>>>>>>> suggested. Also

>>>>>>>> > > > it

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer,

>>>>> when he

>>>>>>> suggests

>>>>>>>> > so

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is

> saying.

>>>>> For

>>>>>>> eg.for

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native

> to

>>> do

>>>>>>> pooja of

>>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the

>>> shakti

>>>>>>> may be one,

>>>>>>>> > > > but

>>>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like

>>>>> sattwa,

>>>>>>> tamas or

>>>>>>>> > > >> rajas.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ?

>>>>> Also

>>>>>>> at times

>>>>>>>> > > > stones

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the

>>> divine

>>>>>>> couloured

>>>>>>>> > rays

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case

>>>>> solidified

>>>>>>>> > state),also

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if

> suggested

>>>>>>> wrongly.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for

> Mahadasha

>>>>>>> lord, some for

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>>> the stone

>>>>>>>> > at

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric

>>> results

>>>>>>> also which

>>>>>>>> > > > would

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For

>>>>> ex.Libra

>>>>>>>> > > > native.Will

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native?

> Only

>>>>>>> experience

>>>>>>>> > from

>>>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge.

>>>>> Talking of

>>>>>>> mantras,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi

>>>>> munis

>>>>>>> of ancient

>>>>>>>> > > >> times

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple

>>> recite

>>>>>>> the mantra

>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the

> same

>>>>>>> mantra

>>>>>>>> > wrongly,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course

>>> they

>>>>>>> had the

>>>>>>>> > power

>>>>>>>> > > > to

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then,

>>> but

>>>>>>> what about

>>>>>>>> > us

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for

>>> long,

>>>>> but

>>>>>>> the point

>>>>>>>> > > > is,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

>>>>> remedies.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> ,

>>> Prafulla

>>>>>>> Gang

>>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so

>>>>> please

>>>>>>> do not

>>>>>>>> > > > misread

>>>>>>>> > > >> me.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations,

>>>>> curses

>>>>>>> etc in a

>>>>>>>> > > > chart

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per

>>> his

>>>>>>> experience).

>>>>>>>> > > >> Native

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some

> remedy

>>>>> (may

>>>>>>> be

>>>>>>>> > > > alternative

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly

> or

>>>>>>> unknowlingly

>>>>>>>> > > > (for

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful

>>> remedy

>>>>> for

>>>>>>> rahu /

>>>>>>>> > > > ketu;

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without

>>>>> thinking

>>>>>>> it as

>>>>>>>> > remedy

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

>>>>> recommendation

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>> > > > remedies,

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events /

> daily

>>>>>>> routine etc.

>>>>>>>> > > >> Should

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this -

>>> Specifically -

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the

>>> curse /

>>>>>>> affliction

>>>>>>>> > > >> related

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at

>>>>> respective

>>>>>>> planetary

>>>>>>>> > > >> ages

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are

> considered

>>>>> to

>>>>>>> be fully

>>>>>>>> > > > done

>>>>>>>> > > >> or

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist

> like.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good

> practice

>>>>> of

>>>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially

>>>>> around

>>>>>>> mantras.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must

> be

>>>>> in

>>>>>>> line with

>>>>>>>> > > >> native's

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc

>>>>> involve

>>>>>>> lots of

>>>>>>>> > > >> rituals

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and

>>> assessment

>>>>> of

>>>>>>> its need

>>>>>>>> > is

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt

> so

>>>>>>> casually by

>>>>>>>> > > > fellow

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the

> list

>>>>>>> astrologers)

>>>>>>>> > and

>>>>>>>> > > >> to a

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for

>>> getting

>>>>>>> into

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>>>> produce

>>>>>>> it, and

>>>>>>>> > we

>>>>>>>> > > >> star

>>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your

> life!!

>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>

>>>>>>>> > > >>>

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>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>> > > >>

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>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > Prashantkumar G B

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> > group

>>>>>>>> > > but

>>>>>>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

>>>>> mail

>>>>>>> or phone.

>>>>>>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

>>>>>>>> > > 09840051861

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out

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>>>>>>> handy

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>>>>>>>> > > .

>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

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>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > Prashantkumar G B

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>>>>>>> group

>>>>>>>> > but

>>>>>>>> > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

> mail

>>> or

>>>>>>> phone.

>>>>>>>> > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

>>>>>>>> > 09840051861

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>> >

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>>>>>>>> >

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Dear Bhaskar ji

 

If you may share experiences with afflicted sun / malefic sun or weak sun (in any chart if you can) , it will help us in understanding the necessity of remedies for sun.

 

I request other members as well, to share the experiences with weak / afflicted or malefic sun. and the remedies pursued for it.

 

Malefic sun is one of the major factor (often overlooked as well) for disturbed marital life (seperation / divorce etc). If sun is malefic / afflicted / weak, it has tendency to make the native unethical (immoral will be little harsh statement - yes, he will be less inclined for upholding moral values) with uncompromising egos and overconfidence. Native often overlooks his dharma and if it has connection with 7th house / 7th lord / venus etc, then can affect married life adversely (subject to other overriding factors, dasha etc).

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

After every "victory" you have more enemies.

 

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:38:27 -0000

>

> REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN

>

> Dear Prafullji,

>

> fasting on sundays should be broken (at sun set) and in that evening

> meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic sun)

>

> - Sir I did exactly this, broke fast before sunset and without salt.

> (The first Sunday of fast itself You will not believe I had the

> tremendous effect.

> In the evening after night fall Father called me and asked me to

> explain what i was doing

> professionaly. The conversations which followed ensued in a

> terrible verbal fight

> between us, and i remember going to my room heart-broken and

> commenting to my wife,-

> what is the use of this fast, etc.- But after half an hour I do

> not know what came into me

> I took all my papers and accounts to show him and the samples of

> electrical items which I was

> selling at that time. He then asked me to join him under a

> common roof where he already has

> a flourishing business, which I did and continued with him for

> next 5 years. Prior to this I was

> seperated from my father in business for 3 years and were not on

> talking terms.

> This was the effect of Sun Gods favour on first day itself.

>

>

> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper

> plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like recitation

> of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun)

>

> -My sister sent this plate to me with instructions of making the

> Round Sun on the copper plate

> with sandal wood paste (She sent this also, so that my doing

> pooja ,would be ensured )

> and then chanting prayers to Surya Narayan , Aditya Hrdyam Stotra,

> Om Suryaye namah Japa Mala, etc.

> She sent this from Calcutta on advise of some Pandit whom she had

> shown my Kundli.

>

> Though the above experiences are personal, yet I have mentioned so

> readers can get first

> person feel.

> My ascendant is Leo. Sun is in 11th house (10th Bhava) in Gemini

> along with Mercury.

> Moon is in 5th house (4th Bhava) in Sagittarius . was born on

> Purnima.

> In Navamsha Sun is with Mercury in Capricorn in 6th house.

>

> Hope info helps,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji

>>

>> In my experiences with few local astrologers - I observed little

> modifed remedies (from the detailed list you provided)

>>

>> fasting on sundays should be broken like rojas in islam (at sun

> set) and in that evening meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic

> sun)

>>

>> charities of red wheat / gud etc to kshatriya community person

> (some suggest the weight of wheat to be equal to the weight of

> native) - malefic sun

>>

>> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper

> plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like recitation

> of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun)

>>

>> Some more remedies, i observed people pursuing for malefic sun

>>

>> prior to commencement of any work / meeting, eat a piece

> of "Mishri" (I think, it is lal kitab's totka)

>>

>> In the sunday evening (around sun set), offering roti (baked on

> fire) cooked from left out flour to an sitting OX (one will seldom

> find an Ox sitting around sunset time)

>>

>>

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> After every "victory" you have more enemies.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> panditarjun2004

>>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:24:04 -0000

>>>

>>> new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN

>>>

>>> dear prafullaji

>>>

>>> as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS

>>> discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we

> mean

>>> remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies, that

>>> particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with

>>> which the native stands benefited.

>>>

>>> so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN.

> when

>>> sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in

>>> conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and

>>> ketu, we find negative results.

>>>

>>> following are the general remedies which can be followed for any

>>> type of sun related problems:

>>>

>>> 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day

>>> 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day

>>> 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven

> horses

>>> and offering it a red flower daily.

>>> 4. fasting on sundays.

>>> 5. donate wheat grains.

>>> 6. donate food to blind people.

>>> 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread.

>>> 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger.

>>> 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and symbol.

>>>

>>> members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the

> reasoning

>>> or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my

>>> understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects and

>>> hence can be done as an upay for sun.

>>>

>>> this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all

>>> remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members are

>>> free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw more

>>> light.

>>>

>>> with best wishes

>>> pandit arjun

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

>>>>

>>>> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to

> structure

>>> this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary remedies,

>>> then for various curses etc) and then each member may share their

>>> experiences / various remedies.

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> panditarjun2004@

>>>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>>>

>>>>> dear friends

>>>>>

>>>>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to

>>>>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply

>>>>> facts, references and past results with various people from

> which

>>>>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss

>>> one

>>>>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we

>>>>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution

> this

>>>>> group would have ever got.

>>>>>

>>>>> with best wishes

>>>>> pandit arjun

>>>>>

>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Very well said.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the

>>> remedies

>>>>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra

>>> is

>>>>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and

> fasting

>>>>> system for shani / ketu.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary

>>>>> factor.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for

>>>>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started

>>>>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is

>>> required (I

>>>>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already

> fixed

>>>>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age /

>>> transit /

>>>>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>

>>>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> panditarjun2004@

>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> dear friends

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that jells

>>>>> well

>>>>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the

>>>>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again,

>>>>>>> periodically in all groups.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan

> for

>>>>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement that

>>>>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed by

>>> ALL

>>>>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL

> religions.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other

>>> religions

>>>>> DO

>>>>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of a

>>>>> person

>>>>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all religions,

>>>>> these

>>>>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as

>>>>> devotees

>>>>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like

>>>>> prafulla

>>>>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can furnsih

>>>>> both

>>>>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains

>>>>> along

>>>>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains which

>>>>> are

>>>>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

>>>>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow,

>>>>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow remedies

>>>>> with

>>>>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers,

>>>>> chartered

>>>>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the law

>>>>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the

>>> PRESENT

>>>>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately when

>>>>> comes

>>>>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not

>>>>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from

>>>>> orient

>>>>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the present

>>>>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and ratinale

>>> is

>>>>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by any

>>>>>>> religious person.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal

>>>>> expereinces

>>>>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle.

> unfortunately

>>>>> in

>>>>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions and

>>>>> try

>>>>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not

>>> get

>>>>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it.

>>>>> similarly

>>>>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results and

>>>>> hence

>>>>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the best

>>>>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to

>>>>> alcohol

>>>>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt

> get

>>>>> it.

>>>>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite his

>>>>> being

>>>>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and

>>>>> start

>>>>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy

> and

>>>>> has

>>>>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his

>>> ancestors,

>>>>> he

>>>>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his

>>>>> previous

>>>>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins

>>> which

>>>>> is

>>>>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations and

>>> are

>>>>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal

>>>>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy,

> so

>>>>> that

>>>>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular

>>> remedy

>>>>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many

>>> people

>>>>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

>>>>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he

> cannot

>>>>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved

>>> best

>>>>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> with best wishes

>>>>>>> pandit arjun

>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

>>> <jyotish@>

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra

> by

>>>>> any

>>>>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and

> we

>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Sir,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what

> Your

>>>>>>>>> goodself has mentioned.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if

>>> done

>>>>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

>>>>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over last

>>>>>>>>> 2 decades.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in

> horoscope,

>>>>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with

>>> own

>>>>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the superiors

>>>>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting

>>>>> regularly)

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the

>>> house.

>>>>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female

>>>>> members

>>>>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure

>>> longlife

>>>>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above,

>>>>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though

>>>>> indirectly.

>>>>>>>>> Thank You.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B

>>>>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla

>>>>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM

>>> between

>>>>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for

>>> diff

>>>>>>>>> planets

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives

>>>>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

>>>>>>> diorders.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help

>>> for

>>>>>>> many

>>>>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on

>>>>> respirotary

>>>>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother

>>> religious

>>>>>>> works

>>>>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is

>>>>>>> prescribed,

>>>>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available.

>>>>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew

> them

>>>>> so

>>>>>>> did

>>>>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine

>>> systems

>>>>>>> to get

>>>>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too

>>> who

>>>>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do

>>> try

>>>>>>> whole

>>>>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as

>>>>>>> breathing.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know

>>> muslims

>>>>>>> who

>>>>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was

>>> a

>>>>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take

> a

>>>>>>> look in

>>>>>>>>> archives.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>>> wrote: Dear

>>>>> Shri

>>>>>>>>> Kumar ji

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me):

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for

>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

>>>>>>> strengtht to

>>>>>>>>> find realistic solutions

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any

> role,

>>>>> if

>>>>>>> any.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as

>>> possible,

>>>>>>> must

>>>>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of

>>> suggesting

>>>>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more

>>>>> authentic

>>>>>>>>> remedies

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the

>>>>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of

> the

>>>>>>> planet.

>>>>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) -

>>>>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit

>>> more

>>>>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment

>>> little

>>>>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may

>>>>> tone

>>>>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping

>>> up

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>> challenges.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

>>> and

>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

> 23/7 -

>>> 4

>>>>>>> tantra

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla,

>>>>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r

>>>>>>> offshoots

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil

>>>>>>> design

>>>>>>>>> or black

>>>>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and

>>> helped

>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to

>>> watch

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> rise of

>>>>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions

>>> have

>>>>>>> very

>>>>>>>>> intense

>>>>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in

>>>>> tantras

>>>>>>> (do

>>>>>>>>> not mix

>>>>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

>>> it,

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>> we star in

>>>>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

>>>>>>> 23/27 -2

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla,

>>>>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r

>>> not

>>>>>>>>> bbeong done or

>>>>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen

>>> or

>>>>>>> child

>>>>>>>>> or huam

>>>>>>>>>> > so

>>>>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was

>>>>> excessive

>>>>>>>>> balis then

>>>>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if

>>>>>>> there

>>>>>>>>> was no

>>>>>>>>>> > rain or

>>>>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons.

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

>>>>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism,

>>>>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific

>>>>>>> religion,

>>>>>>>>> then why

>>>>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not,

> suggesting

>>>>>>>>> something which

>>>>>>>>>> > is

>>>>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory,

>>>>> religion

>>>>>>>>> etc).

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>> produce

>>>>>>> it,

>>>>>>>>> and we star

>>>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@

>>>>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying

>>> with

>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>> food for

>>>>>>>>>> > > > thought.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am

>>> sorry

>>>>>>> dear

>>>>>>>>> tolerant

>>>>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

>>>>>>> religious/non-

>>>>>>>>> ritual

>>>>>>>>>> > type

>>>>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail

>>> to

>>>>>>>>> notice the

>>>>>>>>>> > strength

>>>>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive

>>>>>>> mother

>>>>>>>>> to do her

>>>>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father

>>>>>>> scientist

>>>>>>>>> manager

>>>>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

>>>>>>>>> scriptures such as

>>>>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very

>>> intensively

>>>>>>>>> tuning into

>>>>>>>>>> > that

>>>>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core

>>>>>>> scientist

>>>>>>>>> and one of

>>>>>>>>>> > the

>>>>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known,

>>>>>>> europe

>>>>>>>>> trained and

>>>>>>>>>> > all

>>>>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the

>>> wall

>>>>>>> next

>>>>>>>>> to his bed

>>>>>>>>>> > for

>>>>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

>>>>>>> Ramakrishna

>>>>>>>>> in the next

>>>>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This

>>> man

>>>>>>> always

>>>>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed

>>>>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never

>>>>> really

>>>>>>>>> stopped me

>>>>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being

>>> successful

>>>>>>> at a

>>>>>>>>> few things

>>>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There

>>>>> was

>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> moment when

>>>>>>>>>> > I

>>>>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

>>>>>>>>> miscellany quizzes

>>>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly

>>> showed

>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>> to him. He

>>>>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even

> today!

>>>>>>> One of

>>>>>>>>> his

>>>>>>>>>> > favourite

>>>>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception!

>>>>> Unfortunately

>>>>>>>>> most of us do

>>>>>>>>>> > not

>>>>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being

>>> irrelevant.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality

>>> has

>>>>>>> much

>>>>>>>>> more power

>>>>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is

>>>>>>> FLEXIBLE,

>>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>>> > respects

>>>>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades

>>> through

>>>>>>> each

>>>>>>>>> and every

>>>>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the

>>>>>>> fullest

>>>>>>>>>> > expression of

>>>>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully

>>>>>>> enjoying

>>>>>>>>> those,

>>>>>>>>>> > never

>>>>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > > RR

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > > ,

>>> srinivasa

>>>>>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words-

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

>>>>>>>>> cosmological

>>>>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God

>>>>>>> reveals

>>>>>>>>> himself

>>>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

>>>>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu

> and

>>>>>>> Shiva

>>>>>>>>> along with

>>>>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva

>>> etc,and

>>>>>>>>> others like

>>>>>>>>>> > Shirdi

>>>>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus

>>>>> Christ,Prophet

>>>>>>>>> Mohammed etc

>>>>>>>>>> > all

>>>>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods

> for

>>>>>>>>> bringing in the

>>>>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more

>>> madeout

>>>>> by

>>>>>>>>> selfish

>>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain

>>>>> false

>>>>>>>>> sympathy and

>>>>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more

>>>>>>> personal

>>>>>>>>> or for a

>>>>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-

>>> The

>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>>> (some)

>>>>>>>>>> > are

>>>>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae

>>>>> theselves

>>>>>>>>> are not

>>>>>>>>>> > > bothering

>>>>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the

>>>>>>>>> question is the

>>>>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of

>>>>> creativeness

>>>>>>>>> and freedom

>>>>>>>>>> > of

>>>>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna

>>>>> married

>>>>>>> 8

>>>>>>>>> women and

>>>>>>>>>> > gave

>>>>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other

> wives,the

>>>>>>> truth

>>>>>>>>> was never

>>>>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the

>>>>>>>>> importance of

>>>>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form

> of

>>>>>>>>> TheDivine even

>>>>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed

> as

>>>>>>> truth

>>>>>>>>> that jesus

>>>>>>>>>> > was

>>>>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty

>>> (in

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> name of

>>>>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the

>>>>>>> truth.Some

>>>>>>>>> day we

>>>>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the

> branch

>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>> which we're

>>>>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish

>>>>>>> desires

>>>>>>>>> these

>>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

>>>>>>> religious

>>>>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll

>>>>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami

>>>>> without

>>>>>>>>> warning.So

>>>>>>>>>> > please

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of

>>>>>>>>> expression media

>>>>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed

> dangerous

>>>>>>>>> boundaries.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> regards

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Sri,

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your

>>>>>>> message

>>>>>>>>> but when

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the

>>>>> image

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> a Kind and

>>>>>>>>>> > > > Wise

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best

>>>>>>> interests

>>>>>>>>>> > (actually

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief

> have

>>>>>>> stood

>>>>>>>>> all

>>>>>>>>>> > religions

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong,

> would

>>>>>>> they

>>>>>>>>> still be

>>>>>>>>>> > here?

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity

>>> that

>>>>>>> has

>>>>>>>>> been

>>>>>>>>>> > > > associated

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or

>>> another.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though

>>>>> with

>>>>>>> some

>>>>>>>>>> > difficulty!

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> RR

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> ,

>>>>> srinivasa

>>>>>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members,

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based

> on

>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> sermon

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

>>>>>>> particular

>>>>>>>>> mantra(when

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja

> done

>>>>>>> based

>>>>>>>>> on saatwik

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH

>>>>> AdiSankaracharya

>>>>>>> or

>>>>>>>>> Other

>>>>>>>>>> > Revered

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if

>>>>> prescribed

>>>>>>>>> mantra is

>>>>>>>>>> > the

>>>>>>>>>> > > > apt

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will

> lead

>>>>> to

>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> proper

>>>>>>>>>> > person

>>>>>>>>>> > > > at

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such

>>> that

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> native

>>>>>>>>>> > gets

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner

>>>>>>> fortitude

>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>> > withstand

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without

>>>>> letting

>>>>>>>>> him loose

>>>>>>>>>> > his

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in

>>> our

>>>>>>> work

>>>>>>>>> spot if we

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he

>>>>> will

>>>>>>>>> solve himself

>>>>>>>>>> > > > (if

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he

>>>>> will

>>>>>>>>> direct us to

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

>>>>>>>>> authorised one).

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your

> observation.

>>>>> The

>>>>>>>>> quick remedy

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer

> too.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for

>>>>>>> shani,

>>>>>>>>> mars,

>>>>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for

>>> example -

>>>>>>>>> jyotishi

>>>>>>>>>> > suggest

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make

> sense?

>>>>>>> and if

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> > native

>>>>>>>>>> > > > is

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following

>>> krishna's

>>>>>>>>> pooja; then

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy,

>>> then

>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>> must also

>>>>>>>>>> > be

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse /

> afliction

>>>>> etc

>>>>>>>>> can be

>>>>>>>>>> > remedied

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age

> (or

>>>>> say

>>>>>>>>> which dasha

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to

> invoke

>>>>>>>>> powers) require

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not

>>>>> all

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such

>>> rituals

>>>>>>> well.

>>>>>>>>> and if

>>>>>>>>>> > does

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the

> standard

>>>>>>> excuse

>>>>>>>>> for the

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined

>>>>>>> vidhi of

>>>>>>>>> surya

>>>>>>>>>> > naman

>>>>>>>>>> > > > (

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

>>>>>>> circumstances),

>>>>>>>>> offering

>>>>>>>>>> > > > water

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja

>>> etc.

>>>>> I

>>>>>>> do

>>>>>>>>> not think,

>>>>>>>>>> > > > the

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going

>>> to

>>>>>>> help

>>>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how

>>> do

>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>> know, if the

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not

>>> required

>>>>>>> any

>>>>>>>>> more?

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>>>>>> produce

>>>>>>>>> it, and we

>>>>>>>>>> > > > star

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members,

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at

>>>>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

>>>>>>> proffessor ,told

>>>>>>>>> us

>>>>>>>>>> > students

>>>>>>>>>> > > > a

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

>>>>>>>>> remedies,without

>>>>>>>>>> > > > knowledge,

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> its

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many

> times,

>>>>> of

>>>>>>> this

>>>>>>>>>> > statement

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

>>>>>>> forthcoming

>>>>>>>>> or news

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy

>>> is

>>>>>>>>> suggested. Also

>>>>>>>>>> > > > it

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer,

>>>>>>> when he

>>>>>>>>> suggests

>>>>>>>>>> > so

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is

>>> saying.

>>>>>>> For

>>>>>>>>> eg.for

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native

>>> to

>>>>> do

>>>>>>>>> pooja of

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi,

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the

>>>>> shakti

>>>>>>>>> may be one,

>>>>>>>>>> > > > but

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like

>>>>>>> sattwa,

>>>>>>>>> tamas or

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> rajas.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the

> native ?

>>>>>>> Also

>>>>>>>>> at times

>>>>>>>>>> > > > stones

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the

>>>>> divine

>>>>>>>>> couloured

>>>>>>>>>> > rays

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case

>>>>>>> solidified

>>>>>>>>>> > state),also

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if

>>> suggested

>>>>>>>>> wrongly.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for

>>> Mahadasha

>>>>>>>>> lord, some for

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

>>>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>>>>> the stone

>>>>>>>>>> > at

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric

>>>>> results

>>>>>>>>> also which

>>>>>>>>>> > > > would

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For

>>>>>>> ex.Libra

>>>>>>>>>> > > > native.Will

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native?

>>> Only

>>>>>>>>> experience

>>>>>>>>>> > from

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge.

>>>>>>> Talking of

>>>>>>>>> mantras,

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi

>>>>>>> munis

>>>>>>>>> of ancient

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> times

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple

>>>>> recite

>>>>>>>>> the mantra

>>>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the

>>> same

>>>>>>>>> mantra

>>>>>>>>>> > wrongly,

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course

>>>>> they

>>>>>>>>> had the

>>>>>>>>>> > power

>>>>>>>>>> > > > to

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and

> then,

>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>> what about

>>>>>>>>>> > us

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for

>>>>> long,

>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>> the point

>>>>>>>>>> > > > is,

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

>>>>>>> remedies.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards,

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> ,

>>>>> Prafulla

>>>>>>>>> Gang

>>>>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so

>>>>>>> please

>>>>>>>>> do not

>>>>>>>>>> > > > misread

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> me.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations,

>>>>>>> curses

>>>>>>>>> etc in a

>>>>>>>>>> > > > chart

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures

> (per

>>>>> his

>>>>>>>>> experience).

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Native

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some

>>> remedy

>>>>>>> (may

>>>>>>>>> be

>>>>>>>>>> > > > alternative

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly

>>> or

>>>>>>>>> unknowlingly

>>>>>>>>>> > > > (for

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful

>>>>> remedy

>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> rahu /

>>>>>>>>>> > > > ketu;

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without

>>>>>>> thinking

>>>>>>>>> it as

>>>>>>>>>> > remedy

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

>>>>>>> recommendation

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> > > > remedies,

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events /

>>> daily

>>>>>>>>> routine etc.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Should

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this -

>>>>> Specifically -

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the

>>>>> curse /

>>>>>>>>> affliction

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> related

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at

>>>>>>> respective

>>>>>>>>> planetary

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> ages

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are

>>> considered

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>> be fully

>>>>>>>>>> > > > done

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> or

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist

>>> like.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good

>>> practice

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially

>>>>>>> around

>>>>>>>>> mantras.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must

>>> be

>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>> line with

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> native's

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc

>>>>>>> involve

>>>>>>>>> lots of

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> rituals

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and

>>>>> assessment

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> its need

>>>>>>>>>> > is

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt

>>> so

>>>>>>>>> casually by

>>>>>>>>>> > > > fellow

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the

>>> list

>>>>>>>>> astrologers)

>>>>>>>>>> > and

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> to a

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for

>>>>> getting

>>>>>>>>> into

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>>>>>> produce

>>>>>>>>> it, and

>>>>>>>>>> > we

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> star

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your

>>> life!!

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

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>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

>>>>>>> removed]

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

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>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

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>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > Prashantkumar G B

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> > group

>>>>>>>>>> > > but

>>>>>>>>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by

> chat,

>>>>>>> mail

>>>>>>>>> or phone.

>>>>>>>>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

>>>>>>>>>> > > 09840051861

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check

> out

>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> handy

>>>>>>>>>> > changes to

>>>>>>>>>> > > .

>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

>>> removed]

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> > Prashantkumar G B

>>>>>>>>>> >

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Dear Bhaskar ji

 

Interesting chart.

 

generally speaking -for any chart - Sun, if afflicted / weak - also indicates eye trouble, bones related troubles (frequent fractures etc), disrespect to father (including spiritual gurus), heart trouble). if associated with bitter enemy rahu, will divert native from his dharma (with social immorality) and self righteousness etc;

 

in the example quoted - sun is afflicting both 7th house / 9th house lord.

 

Let me share another interesting chart -Female - leo lagna; moon/jupiter in 5th house, mercury/ketu/mars/sun in 12th house karka; venus/saturn in taurus; rahu in makara; I will write more about this in next mail from sun's perspective.

 

Sun is also karka for speculation; and if afflicted - native must be careful from speculative activities.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

After every "victory" you have more enemies.

 

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:35:49 -0000

>

> Re: REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN

>

> Following chart came up just three days back for study.

>

> DOB 27th Aug 1973

> TOB 6.00 pm

> POB - Bikaner (Rajasthan)

>

> Current Mahadasha running Moon from 25.5.05 till 25.5.15

> Antar Mars from 23.3.06 till 26.10.06

>

>

> Ascendant- Capricorn

> Jup in 1st house,

> Mars in 4th

> Saturn + Ketu in 6th

> Sun + Mer + Moon in 5th

> Venus in 9th

>

> Cuspal

> Mars moves to 3rd

> Saturn + Ketu to 5th

> Venus to 8th

> Jupiter to 12th

> Sun + Moon + Mer to 7th

>

> Notes.

> Though Sun is in its own house but close proximity to Moon who is

> Lord of 7th and also

> Mer becomes 9th Lord denoting father . All three together in 8th

> showing affliction

> In Cuspal also though Moon in own 7th house but Sun also as lord of

> eight along with

> Mercury lord of 9th as well as 6th.

>

> About native-

> Is Chartered accountant earning Rs.1 Lakh salary per month in Bombay

> in some company.

> Was never able to satisfy father and always difference of opinion

> existed. Finally after

> finishing course of CA left father for greener pastures. Since last

> many years

> after marriage not staying with father. They both are in different

> cities. Father lives in Calcutta.

> Now problem with wife who is educated. Not happy marriage, though

> will not seperate.

>

> I have not yet suggested remedy for Sun.

> Most of the afflictions mentioned by Prafullji exist here.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>

>> If you may share experiences with afflicted sun / malefic sun or

> weak sun (in any chart if you can) , it will help us in understanding

> the necessity of remedies for sun.

>>

>> I request other members as well, to share the experiences with

> weak / afflicted or malefic sun. and the remedies pursued for it.

>>

>> Malefic sun is one of the major factor (often overlooked as well)

> for disturbed marital life (seperation / divorce etc). If sun is

> malefic / afflicted / weak, it has tendency to make the native

> unethical (immoral will be little harsh statement - yes, he will be

> less inclined for upholding moral values) with uncompromising egos

> and overconfidence. Native often overlooks his dharma and if it has

> connection with 7th house / 7th lord / venus etc, then can affect

> married life adversely (subject to other overriding factors, dasha

> etc).

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> After every "victory" you have more enemies.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> bhaskar_jyotish

>>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:38:27 -0000

>>>

>>> REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN

>>>

>>> Dear Prafullji,

>>>

>>> fasting on sundays should be broken (at sun set) and in that

> evening

>>> meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic sun)

>>>

>>> - Sir I did exactly this, broke fast before sunset and without

> salt.

>>> (The first Sunday of fast itself You will not believe I had the

>>> tremendous effect.

>>> In the evening after night fall Father called me and asked me

> to

>>> explain what i was doing

>>> professionaly. The conversations which followed ensued in a

>>> terrible verbal fight

>>> between us, and i remember going to my room heart-broken and

>>> commenting to my wife,-

>>> what is the use of this fast, etc.- But after half an hour I

> do

>>> not know what came into me

>>> I took all my papers and accounts to show him and the

> samples of

>>> electrical items which I was

>>> selling at that time. He then asked me to join him under a

>>> common roof where he already has

>>> a flourishing business, which I did and continued with him for

>>> next 5 years. Prior to this I was

>>> seperated from my father in business for 3 years and were not

> on

>>> talking terms.

>>> This was the effect of Sun Gods favour on first day itself.

>>>

>>>

>>> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper

>>> plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like

> recitation

>>> of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun)

>>>

>>> -My sister sent this plate to me with instructions of making the

>>> Round Sun on the copper plate

>>> with sandal wood paste (She sent this also, so that my doing

>>> pooja ,would be ensured )

>>> and then chanting prayers to Surya Narayan , Aditya Hrdyam

> Stotra,

>>> Om Suryaye namah Japa Mala, etc.

>>> She sent this from Calcutta on advise of some Pandit whom she

> had

>>> shown my Kundli.

>>>

>>> Though the above experiences are personal, yet I have mentioned so

>>> readers can get first

>>> person feel.

>>> My ascendant is Leo. Sun is in 11th house (10th Bhava) in Gemini

>>> along with Mercury.

>>> Moon is in 5th house (4th Bhava) in Sagittarius . was born on

>>> Purnima.

>>> In Navamsha Sun is with Mercury in Capricorn in 6th house.

>>>

>>> Hope info helps,

>>>

>>> Bhaskar.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji

>>>>

>>>> In my experiences with few local astrologers - I observed little

>>> modifed remedies (from the detailed list you provided)

>>>>

>>>> fasting on sundays should be broken like rojas in islam (at sun

>>> set) and in that evening meal - salt must not be consumed.

> (malefic

>>> sun)

>>>>

>>>> charities of red wheat / gud etc to kshatriya community person

>>> (some suggest the weight of wheat to be equal to the weight of

>>> native) - malefic sun

>>>>

>>>> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper

>>> plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like

> recitation

>>> of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun)

>>>>

>>>> Some more remedies, i observed people pursuing for malefic sun

>>>>

>>>> prior to commencement of any work / meeting, eat a piece

>>> of "Mishri" (I think, it is lal kitab's totka)

>>>>

>>>> In the sunday evening (around sun set), offering roti (baked on

>>> fire) cooked from left out flour to an sitting OX (one will seldom

>>> find an Ox sitting around sunset time)

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> After every "victory" you have more enemies.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> panditarjun2004@

>>>>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:24:04 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN

>>>>>

>>>>> dear prafullaji

>>>>>

>>>>> as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING

> MEMBERS

>>>>> discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we

>>> mean

>>>>> remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies,

> that

>>>>> particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results with

>>>>> which the native stands benefited.

>>>>>

>>>>> so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN.

>>> when

>>>>> sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga in

>>>>> conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu and

>>>>> ketu, we find negative results.

>>>>>

>>>>> following are the general remedies which can be followed for any

>>>>> type of sun related problems:

>>>>>

>>>>> 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day

>>>>> 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day

>>>>> 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven

>>> horses

>>>>> and offering it a red flower daily.

>>>>> 4. fasting on sundays.

>>>>> 5. donate wheat grains.

>>>>> 6. donate food to blind people.

>>>>> 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread.

>>>>> 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger.

>>>>> 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and

> symbol.

>>>>>

>>>>> members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the

>>> reasoning

>>>>> or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my

>>>>> understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects

> and

>>>>> hence can be done as an upay for sun.

>>>>>

>>>>> this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on all

>>>>> remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members

> are

>>>>> free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw

> more

>>>>> light.

>>>>>

>>>>> with best wishes

>>>>> pandit arjun

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to

>>> structure

>>>>> this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary

> remedies,

>>>>> then for various curses etc) and then each member may share

> their

>>>>> experiences / various remedies.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>

>>>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> panditarjun2004@

>>>>>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> dear friends

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to

>>>>>>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will

> supply

>>>>>>> facts, references and past results with various people from

>>> which

>>>>>>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to

> discuss

>>>>> one

>>>>>>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we

>>>>>>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution

>>> this

>>>>>>> group would have ever got.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> with best wishes

>>>>>>> pandit arjun

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

>>> <jyotish@>

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Very well said.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the

>>>>> remedies

>>>>>>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar

> Mantra

>>>>> is

>>>>>>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and

>>> fasting

>>>>>>> system for shani / ketu.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary

>>>>>>> factor.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective

> for

>>>>>>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question

> started

>>>>>>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is

>>>>> required (I

>>>>>>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already

>>> fixed

>>>>>>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age /

>>>>> transit /

>>>>>>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc).

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a

> groan.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> panditarjun2004@

>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> dear friends

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that

> jells

>>>>>>> well

>>>>>>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on the

>>>>>>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again,

>>>>>>>>> periodically in all groups.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan

>>> for

>>>>>>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement

> that

>>>>>>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed

> by

>>>>> ALL

>>>>>>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL

>>> religions.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other

>>>>> religions

>>>>>>> DO

>>>>>>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of

> a

>>>>>>> person

>>>>>>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all

> religions,

>>>>>>> these

>>>>>>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as

>>>>>>> devotees

>>>>>>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like

>>>>>>> prafulla

>>>>>>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can

> furnsih

>>>>>>> both

>>>>>>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains

>>>>>>> along

>>>>>>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains

> which

>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

>>>>>>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they follow,

>>>>>>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow

> remedies

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers,

>>>>>>> chartered

>>>>>>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the

> law

>>>>>>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the

>>>>> PRESENT

>>>>>>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately

> when

>>>>>>> comes

>>>>>>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are

> not

>>>>>>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references from

>>>>>>> orient

>>>>>>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the

> present

>>>>>>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and

> ratinale

>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by

> any

>>>>>>>>> religious person.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal

>>>>>>> expereinces

>>>>>>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle.

>>> unfortunately

>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions

> and

>>>>>>> try

>>>>>>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not

>>>>> get

>>>>>>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it.

>>>>>>> similarly

>>>>>>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results

> and

>>>>>>> hence

>>>>>>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the

> best

>>>>>>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to

>>>>>>> alcohol

>>>>>>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt

>>> get

>>>>>>> it.

>>>>>>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite

> his

>>>>>>> being

>>>>>>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and

>>>>>>> start

>>>>>>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy

>>> and

>>>>>>> has

>>>>>>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his

>>>>> ancestors,

>>>>>>> he

>>>>>>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his

>>>>>>> previous

>>>>>>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins

>>>>> which

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations

> and

>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal

>>>>>>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy,

>>> so

>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular

>>>>> remedy

>>>>>>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many

>>>>> people

>>>>>>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

>>>>>>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he

>>> cannot

>>>>>>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved

>>>>> best

>>>>>>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> with best wishes

>>>>>>>>> pandit arjun

>>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

>>>>> <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra

>>> by

>>>>>>> any

>>>>>>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and

>>> we

>>>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4

> tantra

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Sir,

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what

>>> Your

>>>>>>>>>>> goodself has mentioned.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if

>>>>> done

>>>>>>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

>>>>>>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over

> last

>>>>>>>>>>> 2 decades.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in

>>> horoscope,

>>>>>>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with

>>>>> own

>>>>>>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the

> superiors

>>>>>>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting

>>>>>>> regularly)

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the

>>>>> house.

>>>>>>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female

>>>>>>> members

>>>>>>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure

>>>>> longlife

>>>>>>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after

> practise)

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written above,

>>>>>>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though

>>>>>>> indirectly.

>>>>>>>>>>> Thank You.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar G

> B

>>>>>>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla

>>>>>>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM

>>>>> between

>>>>>>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for

>>>>> diff

>>>>>>>>>>> planets

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana

> gives

>>>>>>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

>>>>>>>>> diorders.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also

> help

>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> many

>>>>>>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on

>>>>>>> respirotary

>>>>>>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother

>>>>> religious

>>>>>>>>> works

>>>>>>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is

>>>>>>>>> prescribed,

>>>>>>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available.

>>>>>>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew

>>> them

>>>>>>> so

>>>>>>>>> did

>>>>>>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine

>>>>> systems

>>>>>>>>> to get

>>>>>>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try

> it

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too

>>>>> who

>>>>>>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system

> do

>>>>> try

>>>>>>>>> whole

>>>>>>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural

> as

>>>>>>>>> breathing.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know

>>>>> muslims

>>>>>>>>> who

>>>>>>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there

> was

>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can

> take

>>> a

>>>>>>>>> look in

>>>>>>>>>>> archives.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

> Dear

>>>>>>> Shri

>>>>>>>>>>> Kumar ji

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to

> me):

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native

> for

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

>>>>>>>>> strengtht to

>>>>>>>>>>> find realistic solutions

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any

>>> role,

>>>>>>> if

>>>>>>>>> any.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as

>>>>> possible,

>>>>>>>>> must

>>>>>>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of

>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more

>>>>>>> authentic

>>>>>>>>>>> remedies

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored

> the

>>>>>>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of

>>> the

>>>>>>>>> planet.

>>>>>>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic

> shani) -

>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit

>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment

>>>>> little

>>>>>>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This

> may

>>>>>>> tone

>>>>>>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in

> coping

>>>>> up

>>>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>>>> challenges.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

>>>>> and

>>>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

>>> 23/7 -

>>>>> 4

>>>>>>>>> tantra

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r

>>>>>>>>> offshoots

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence,

> evil

>>>>>>>>> design

>>>>>>>>>>> or black

>>>>>>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and

>>>>> helped

>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to

>>>>> watch

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> rise of

>>>>>>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions

>>>>> have

>>>>>>>>> very

>>>>>>>>>>> intense

>>>>>>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in

>>>>>>> tantras

>>>>>>>>> (do

>>>>>>>>>>> not mix

>>>>>>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

>>>>> it,

>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>> we star in

>>>>>>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

>>>>>>>>> 23/27 -2

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies

> r

>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>> bbeong done or

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow,

> hen

>>>>> or

>>>>>>>>> child

>>>>>>>>>>> or huam

>>>>>>>>>>>> > so

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was

>>>>>>> excessive

>>>>>>>>>>> balis then

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear

> if

>>>>>>>>> there

>>>>>>>>>>> was no

>>>>>>>>>>>> > rain or

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin

> of

>>>>>>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific

>>>>>>>>> religion,

>>>>>>>>>>> then why

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not,

>>> suggesting

>>>>>>>>>>> something which

>>>>>>>>>>>> > is

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory,

>>>>>>> religion

>>>>>>>>>>> etc).

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>>>> produce

>>>>>>>>> it,

>>>>>>>>>>> and we star

>>>>>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying

>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>> food for

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > thought.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am

>>>>> sorry

>>>>>>>>> dear

>>>>>>>>>>> tolerant

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

>>>>>>>>> religious/non-

>>>>>>>>>>> ritual

>>>>>>>>>>>> > type

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly

> fail

>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>> notice the

>>>>>>>>>>>> > strength

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and

> submissive

>>>>>>>>> mother

>>>>>>>>>>> to do her

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father

>>>>>>>>> scientist

>>>>>>>>>>> manager

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in

> intellectual

>>>>>>>>>>> scriptures such as

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very

>>>>> intensively

>>>>>>>>>>> tuning into

>>>>>>>>>>>> > that

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core

>>>>>>>>> scientist

>>>>>>>>>>> and one of

>>>>>>>>>>>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever

> known,

>>>>>>>>> europe

>>>>>>>>>>> trained and

>>>>>>>>>>>> > all

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the

>>>>> wall

>>>>>>>>> next

>>>>>>>>>>> to his bed

>>>>>>>>>>>> > for

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

>>>>>>>>> Ramakrishna

>>>>>>>>>>> in the next

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This

>>>>> man

>>>>>>>>> always

>>>>>>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never

>>>>>>> really

>>>>>>>>>>> stopped me

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being

>>>>> successful

>>>>>>>>> at a

>>>>>>>>>>> few things

>>>>>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be.

> There

>>>>>>> was

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>> moment when

>>>>>>>>>>>> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the

> Astrology

>>>>>>>>>>> miscellany quizzes

>>>>>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly

>>>>> showed

>>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>>>> to him. He

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even

>>> today!

>>>>>>>>> One of

>>>>>>>>>>> his

>>>>>>>>>>>> > favourite

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception!

>>>>>>> Unfortunately

>>>>>>>>>>> most of us do

>>>>>>>>>>>> > not

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being

>>>>> irrelevant.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality

>>>>> has

>>>>>>>>> much

>>>>>>>>>>> more power

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is

>>>>>>>>> FLEXIBLE,

>>>>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>>>>> > respects

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades

>>>>> through

>>>>>>>>> each

>>>>>>>>>>> and every

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is

> the

>>>>>>>>> fullest

>>>>>>>>>>>> > expression of

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully

>>>>>>>>> enjoying

>>>>>>>>>>> those,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > never

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > RR

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ,

>>>>> srinivasa

>>>>>>>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words-

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that

> wherever

>>>>>>>>>>> cosmological

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them

> God

>>>>>>>>> reveals

>>>>>>>>>>> himself

>>>>>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu

>>> and

>>>>>>>>> Shiva

>>>>>>>>>>> along with

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva

>>>>> etc,and

>>>>>>>>>>> others like

>>>>>>>>>>>> > Shirdi

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus

>>>>>>> Christ,Prophet

>>>>>>>>>>> Mohammed etc

>>>>>>>>>>>> > all

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods

>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> bringing in the

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more

>>>>> madeout

>>>>>>> by

>>>>>>>>>>> selfish

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to

> gain

>>>>>>> false

>>>>>>>>>>> sympathy and

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires

> (more

>>>>>>>>> personal

>>>>>>>>>>> or for a

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal

> good).

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci

> Code-

>>>>> The

>>>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>>>>> (some)

>>>>>>>>>>>> > are

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae

>>>>>>> theselves

>>>>>>>>>>> are not

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > bothering

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here

> the

>>>>>>>>>>> question is the

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of

>>>>>>> creativeness

>>>>>>>>>>> and freedom

>>>>>>>>>>>> > of

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna

>>>>>>> married

>>>>>>>>> 8

>>>>>>>>>>> women and

>>>>>>>>>>>> > gave

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other

>>> wives,the

>>>>>>>>> truth

>>>>>>>>>>> was never

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world

> the

>>>>>>>>>>> importance of

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form

>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> TheDivine even

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed

>>> as

>>>>>>>>> truth

>>>>>>>>>>> that jesus

>>>>>>>>>>>> > was

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take

> liberty

>>>>> (in

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> name of

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the

>>>>>>>>> truth.Some

>>>>>>>>>>> day we

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the

>>> branch

>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>>>> which we're

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish

>>>>>>>>> desires

>>>>>>>>>>> these

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

>>>>>>>>> religious

>>>>>>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami

>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>>>>>> warning.So

>>>>>>>>>>>> > please

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom

> of

>>>>>>>>>>> expression media

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed

>>> dangerous

>>>>>>>>>>> boundaries.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> regards

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Sri,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of

> your

>>>>>>>>> message

>>>>>>>>>>> but when

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the

>>>>>>> image

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> a Kind and

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Wise

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our

> best

>>>>>>>>> interests

>>>>>>>>>>>> > (actually

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any

> parent!)

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief

>>> have

>>>>>>>>> stood

>>>>>>>>>>> all

>>>>>>>>>>>> > religions

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong,

>>> would

>>>>>>>>> they

>>>>>>>>>>> still be

>>>>>>>>>>>> > here?

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity

>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>> has

>>>>>>>>>>> been

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > associated

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or

>>>>> another.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish,

> though

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>> some

>>>>>>>>>>>> > difficulty!

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> RR

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> ,

>>>>>>> srinivasa

>>>>>>>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based

>>> on

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> sermon

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

>>>>>>>>> particular

>>>>>>>>>>> mantra(when

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja

>>> done

>>>>>>>>> based

>>>>>>>>>>> on saatwik

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH

>>>>>>> AdiSankaracharya

>>>>>>>>> or

>>>>>>>>>>> Other

>>>>>>>>>>>> > Revered

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if

>>>>>>> prescribed

>>>>>>>>>>> mantra is

>>>>>>>>>>>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > apt

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will

>>> lead

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>> proper

>>>>>>>>>>>> > person

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > at

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such

>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> native

>>>>>>>>>>>> > gets

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner

>>>>>>>>> fortitude

>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>> > withstand

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without

>>>>>>> letting

>>>>>>>>>>> him loose

>>>>>>>>>>>> > his

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in

>>>>> our

>>>>>>>>> work

>>>>>>>>>>> spot if we

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a

> problem,he

>>>>>>> will

>>>>>>>>>>> solve himself

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (if

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or

> he

>>>>>>> will

>>>>>>>>>>> direct us to

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

>>>>>>>>>>> authorised one).

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your

>>> observation.

>>>>>>> The

>>>>>>>>>>> quick remedy

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer

>>> too.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are

> for

>>>>>>>>> shani,

>>>>>>>>>>> mars,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for

>>>>> example -

>>>>>>>>>>> jyotishi

>>>>>>>>>>>> > suggest

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make

>>> sense?

>>>>>>>>> and if

>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> > native

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > is

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following

>>>>> krishna's

>>>>>>>>>>> pooja; then

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy,

>>>>> then

>>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>>>> must also

>>>>>>>>>>>> > be

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse /

>>> afliction

>>>>>>> etc

>>>>>>>>>>> can be

>>>>>>>>>>>> > remedied

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age

>>> (or

>>>>>>> say

>>>>>>>>>>> which dasha

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to

>>> invoke

>>>>>>>>>>> powers) require

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think,

> not

>>>>>>> all

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such

>>>>> rituals

>>>>>>>>> well.

>>>>>>>>>>> and if

>>>>>>>>>>>> > does

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the

>>> standard

>>>>>>>>> excuse

>>>>>>>>>>> for the

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is

> predefined

>>>>>>>>> vidhi of

>>>>>>>>>>> surya

>>>>>>>>>>>> > naman

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

>>>>>>>>> circumstances),

>>>>>>>>>>> offering

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > water

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja

>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>> do

>>>>>>>>>>> not think,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > the

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is

> going

>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>> help

>>>>>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue -

> how

>>>>> do

>>>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>>>> know, if the

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not

>>>>> required

>>>>>>>>> any

>>>>>>>>>>> more?

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>>>>>>>> produce

>>>>>>>>>>> it, and we

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > star

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your

> life!!

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture

> at

>>>>>>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

>>>>>>>>> proffessor ,told

>>>>>>>>>>> us

>>>>>>>>>>>> > students

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > a

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

>>>>>>>>>>> remedies,without

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > knowledge,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> its

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many

>>> times,

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> this

>>>>>>>>>>>> > statement

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

>>>>>>>>> forthcoming

>>>>>>>>>>> or news

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong

> remedy

>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> suggested. Also

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > it

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the

> astrologer,

>>>>>>>>> when he

>>>>>>>>>>> suggests

>>>>>>>>>>>> > so

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is

>>>>> saying.

>>>>>>>>> For

>>>>>>>>>>> eg.for

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the

> native

>>>>> to

>>>>>>> do

>>>>>>>>>>> pooja of

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the

>>>>>>> shakti

>>>>>>>>>>> may be one,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > but

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas

> like

>>>>>>>>> sattwa,

>>>>>>>>>>> tamas or

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> rajas.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the

>>> native ?

>>>>>>>>> Also

>>>>>>>>>>> at times

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > stones

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the

>>>>>>> divine

>>>>>>>>>>> couloured

>>>>>>>>>>>> > rays

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case

>>>>>>>>> solidified

>>>>>>>>>>>> > state),also

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if

>>>>> suggested

>>>>>>>>>>> wrongly.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for

>>>>> Mahadasha

>>>>>>>>>>> lord, some for

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

>>>>>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>>>>>>> the stone

>>>>>>>>>>>> > at

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric

>>>>>>> results

>>>>>>>>>>> also which

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > would

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for.

> For

>>>>>>>>> ex.Libra

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > native.Will

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native?

>>>>> Only

>>>>>>>>>>> experience

>>>>>>>>>>>> > from

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge.

>>>>>>>>> Talking of

>>>>>>>>>>> mantras,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the

> rishi

>>>>>>>>> munis

>>>>>>>>>>> of ancient

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> times

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple

>>>>>>> recite

>>>>>>>>>>> the mantra

>>>>>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the

>>>>> same

>>>>>>>>>>> mantra

>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrongly,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of

> course

>>>>>>> they

>>>>>>>>>>> had the

>>>>>>>>>>>> > power

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > to

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and

>>> then,

>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>>>> what about

>>>>>>>>>>>> > us

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for

>>>>>>> long,

>>>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>>>> the point

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > is,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

>>>>>>>>> remedies.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> ,

>>>>>>> Prafulla

>>>>>>>>>>> Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject,

> so

>>>>>>>>> please

>>>>>>>>>>> do not

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > misread

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> me.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult

> combinations,

>>>>>>>>> curses

>>>>>>>>>>> etc in a

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > chart

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures

>>> (per

>>>>>>> his

>>>>>>>>>>> experience).

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Native

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some

>>>>> remedy

>>>>>>>>> (may

>>>>>>>>>>> be

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > alternative

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose)

> knowingly

>>>>> or

>>>>>>>>>>> unknowlingly

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (for

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful

>>>>>>> remedy

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> rahu /

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ketu;

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without

>>>>>>>>> thinking

>>>>>>>>>>> it as

>>>>>>>>>>>> > remedy

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

>>>>>>>>> recommendation

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > remedies,

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events /

>>>>> daily

>>>>>>>>>>> routine etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Should

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this -

>>>>>>> Specifically -

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the

>>>>>>> curse /

>>>>>>>>>>> affliction

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> related

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more

> required?

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at

>>>>>>>>> respective

>>>>>>>>>>> planetary

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> ages

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are

>>>>> considered

>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>> be fully

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > done

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> or

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist

>>>>> like.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good

>>>>> practice

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol;

> especially

>>>>>>>>> around

>>>>>>>>>>> mantras.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something -

> must

>>>>> be

>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>> line with

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> native's

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras

> etc

>>>>>>>>> involve

>>>>>>>>>>> lots of

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> rituals

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and

>>>>>>> assessment

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> its need

>>>>>>>>>>>> > is

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be

> dealt

>>>>> so

>>>>>>>>>>> casually by

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > fellow

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the

>>>>> list

>>>>>>>>>>> astrologers)

>>>>>>>>>>>> > and

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> to a

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for

>>>>>>> getting

>>>>>>>>>>> into

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it,

> we

>>>>>>>>> produce

>>>>>>>>>>> it, and

>>>>>>>>>>>> > we

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> star

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your

>>>>> life!!

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best

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>>>>>>>>>>> protection around

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>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have

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>>>>>>>>> removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

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>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prashantkumar G B

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> > group

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > but

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by

>>> chat,

>>>>>>>>> mail

>>>>>>>>>>> or phone.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 09840051861

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check

>>> out

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> handy

>>>>>>>>>>>> > changes to

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > .

>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

>>>>> removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > Prashantkumar G B

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>>>>>>>>>>> group

>>>>>>>>>>>> > but

>>>>>>>>>>>> > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

>>>>> mail

>>>>>>> or

>>>>>>>>>>> phone.

>>>>>>>>>>>> > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

>>>>>>>>>>>> > 09840051861

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-

> Phone

>>>>>>>>> calls.

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[Guest guest]

Arjun ji,

 

Thanks for your kind words.

 

Many of my articles are on that URL, but I have written in several

other places too. In fact I had forgotten about a site which Mr. Tarun

Chopra found when he did a search on me, some time ago.

 

RR

 

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear RRji

>

> this is a great article. if you have posted all your articles in

> one place (e.g. in your website), please give the url of that so

> that we can refer to all of them at once. i greatly appeciated the

> illustrious comprehensive article which you gave the link some time

> ago having so many excel charts and graphs.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Arjunji,

> >

> > This is a bit dated account and I have come forth a bit,

> hopefully,

> > since those days, but here it is:

> >

> > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00314.htm

> >

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friends

> > >

> > > as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all to

> > > present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will supply

> > > facts, references and past results with various people from

> which

> > > you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to discuss

> > one

> > > remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if we

> > > indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution

> this

> > > group would have ever got.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > > , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji

> > > >

> > > > Very well said.

> > > >

> > > > I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the

> > remedies

> > > in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar Mantra

> is

> > > one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and

> fasting

> > > system for shani / ketu.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each planetary

> > > factor.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective for

> > > each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question started

> > > with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is

> required

> > (I

> > > mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already

> fixed

> > > the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age /

> transit /

> > > dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc).

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >

> > > > To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a groan.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > panditarjun2004@

> > > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

> > > > >

> > > > > dear friends

> > > > >

> > > > > good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that

> jells

> > > well

> > > > > with the objective of this group. this very question on the

> > > > > efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet again,

> > > > > periodically in all groups.

> > > > >

> > > > > yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in rajasthan

> for

> > > > > removing an evil and got that done successfully.

> > > > >

> > > > > coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement

> that

> > > > > remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed

> by

> > ALL

> > > > > religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL

> religions.

> > > > >

> > > > > hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other

> > religions

> > > DO

> > > > > RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain of

> a

> > > person

> > > > > or for getting something the native wants. in all

> religions,

> > > these

> > > > > remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis as

> > > devotees

> > > > > visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like

> > > prafulla

> > > > > ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can

> furnsih

> > > both

> > > > > white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by jains

> > > along

> > > > > with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains

> which

> > > are

> > > > > followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

> > > > > information few months ago as to what remedies they follow,

> > > > > notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy koran.

> > > > >

> > > > > so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow

> remedies

> > > with

> > > > > or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers,

> > > chartered

> > > > > accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the

> law

> > > > > enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the

> PRESENT

> > > > > EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately

> when

> > > comes

> > > > > to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are not

> > > > > amended and hence gullible people still want references from

> > > orient

> > > > > classics which look insane to a logical person of the present

> > > > > world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and

> ratinale is

> > > > > what required for recommending or following any remedy by any

> > > > > religious person.

> > > > >

> > > > > another factor to note is that one individual's personal

> > > expereinces

> > > > > cannot create a principle or reject a principle.

> unfortunately

> > > in

> > > > > public groups, people express their own views and opinions

> and

> > > try

> > > > > to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did not

> get

> > > > > positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it.

> > > similarly

> > > > > one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results

> and

> > > hence

> > > > > he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the

> best

> > > > > remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave to

> > > alcohol

> > > > > and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he didnt

> get

> > > it.

> > > > > similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite

> his

> > > being

> > > > > pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god and

> > > start

> > > > > criticising the very god. if one person is extremely happy

> and

> > > has

> > > > > all riches and comforts in the world left away by his

> > ancestors,

> > > he

> > > > > says that he is the only person who did good karma in his

> > > previous

> > > > > birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins

> > which

> > > is

> > > > > why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations

> and

> > are

> > > > > personal observations and not rules or principles.

> > > > >

> > > > > hence friends, instead of forming theories based on personal

> > > > > experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific remedy,

> so

> > > that

> > > > > we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular

> > remedy

> > > > > along with scriptural references if any and as to how many

> > people

> > > > > got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

> > > > > hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he

> cannot

> > > > > criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it proved

> > best

> > > > > for crores of people without any such allergies.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > , Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any strotra

> by

> > > any

> > > > > native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and

> we

> > > > > star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > >>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4

> tantra

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Sir,

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what

> Your

> > > > >>> goodself has mentioned.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection if

> done

> > > > >>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

> > > > >>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over

> last

> > > > >>> 2 decades.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in

> horoscope,

> > > > >>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations with

> own

> > > > >>> Father, increases power of personality to make the

> superiors

> > > > >>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting

> > > regularly)

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the

> > house.

> > > > >>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female

> > > members

> > > > >>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure

> > longlife

> > > > >>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after practise)

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> This is being done by family and myself so written above,

> > > > >>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though

> > > indirectly.

> > > > >>> Thank You.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Regards,

> > > > >>> Bhaskar.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > >>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Prafulla

> > > > >>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM

> > between

> > > > >>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for

> > diff

> > > > >>> planets

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana

> gives

> > > > >>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

> > > > > diorders.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also

> help

> > for

> > > > > many

> > > > >>> remedies. according to the tabulation

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on

> > > respirotary

> > > > >>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother

> religious

> > > > > works

> > > > >>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is

> > > > > prescribed,

> > > > >>> right now we can go on what is available.

> > > > >>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew

> them

> > > so

> > > > > did

> > > > >>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine

> systems

> > > > > to get

> > > > >>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try

> it

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too

> who

> > > > >>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system

> do

> > try

> > > > > whole

> > > > >>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural as

> > > > > breathing.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know

> > muslims

> > > > > who

> > > > >>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there

> was a

> > > > >>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can

> take a

> > > > > look in

> > > > >>> archives.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > >>> wrote:

> Dear

> > > Shri

> > > > >>> Kumar ji

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to

> me):

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native

> for

> > > the

> > > > >>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

> > > > > strengtht to

> > > > >>> find realistic solutions

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any

> role,

> > > if

> > > > > any.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as

> > possible,

> > > > > must

> > > > >>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines)

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of

> suggesting

> > > > >>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more

> > > authentic

> > > > >>> remedies

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored

> the

> > > > >>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of

> the

> > > > > planet.

> > > > >>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic

> shani) -

> > > > >>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit

> more

> > > > >>> planned in its approach, making the working environment

> > little

> > > > >>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This

> may

> > > tone

> > > > >>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in

> coping

> > up

> > > > > with

> > > > >>> challenges.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

> > and

> > > we

> > > > >>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> >

> > > > >>>> > gbp_kumar@

> > > > >>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > >>>> >

> > > > >>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

> 23/7 -4

> > > > > tantra

> > > > >>>> >

> > > > >>>> > Prafulla,

> > > > >>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r

> > > > > offshoots

> > > > >>> of

> > > > >>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence,

> evil

> > > > > design

> > > > >>> or black

> > > > >>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

> > > > >>>> >

> > > > >>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

> > > > >>>> >

> > > > >>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and

> > helped

> > > > > in

> > > > >>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to

> > watch

> > > > > the

> > > > >>> rise of

> > > > >>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions

> have

> > > > > very

> > > > >>> intense

> > > > >>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in

> > > tantras

> > > > > (do

> > > > >>> not mix

> > > > >>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

> > > > >>>> >

> > > > >>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

> > > > >>>> >

> > > > >>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>> >

> > > > >>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

> it,

> > > > > and

> > > > >>> we star in

> > > > >>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > > > >>>> >

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > > gbp_kumar@

> > > > >>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

> > > > > 23/27 -2

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > > Prafulla,

> > > > >>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies

> r

> > not

> > > > >>> bbeong done or

> > > > >>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow,

> hen or

> > > > > child

> > > > >>> or huam

> > > > >>>> > so

> > > > >>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was

> > > excessive

> > > > >>> balis then

> > > > >>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear

> if

> > > > > there

> > > > >>> was no

> > > > >>>> > rain or

> > > > >>>> > > some for monetry reasons.

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of

> > > > >>> Jainism, Budhism,

> > > > >>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific

> > > > > religion,

> > > > >>> then why

> > > > >>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not,

> suggesting

> > > > >>> something which

> > > > >>>> > is

> > > > >>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory,

> > > religion

> > > > >>> etc).

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> produce

> > > > > it,

> > > > >>> and we star

> > > > >>>> > in

> > > > >>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > jyotish_vani@

> > > > >>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > Re: remedies [communication...]

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying

> with

> > > > > more

> > > > >>> food for

> > > > >>>> > > > thought.

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am

> > sorry

> > > > > dear

> > > > >>> tolerant

> > > > >>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

> > > > > religious/non-

> > > > >>> ritual

> > > > >>>> > type

> > > > >>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly

> fail to

> > > > >>> notice the

> > > > >>>> > strength

> > > > >>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive

> > > > > mother

> > > > >>> to do her

> > > > >>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father

> > > > > scientist

> > > > >>> manager

> > > > >>>> > > > father always being interested in intellectual

> > > > >>> scriptures such as

> > > > >>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very

> intensively

> > > > >>> tuning into

> > > > >>>> > that

> > > > >>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core

> > > > > scientist

> > > > >>> and one of

> > > > >>>> > the

> > > > >>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known,

> > > > > europe

> > > > >>> trained and

> > > > >>>> > all

> > > > >>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the

> wall

> > > > > next

> > > > >>> to his bed

> > > > >>>> > for

> > > > >>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

> > > > > Ramakrishna

> > > > >>> in the next

> > > > >>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This

> man

> > > > > always

> > > > >>>> > pooh-poohed

> > > > >>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never

> > > really

> > > > >>> stopped me

> > > > >>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being

> successful

> > > > > at a

> > > > >>> few things

> > > > >>>> > in

> > > > >>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be.

> There

> > > was

> > > > > a

> > > > >>> moment when

> > > > >>>> > I

> > > > >>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology

> > > > >>> miscellany quizzes

> > > > >>>> > in

> > > > >>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly

> > showed

> > > > > it

> > > > >>> to him. He

> > > > >>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even

> today!

> > > > > One of

> > > > >>> his

> > > > >>>> > favourite

> > > > >>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > And success is a personal perception!

> > > Unfortunately

> > > > >>> most of us do

> > > > >>>> > not

> > > > >>>> > > > come to terms with that.

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being

> irrelevant.

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality

> has

> > > > > much

> > > > >>> more power

> > > > >>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it is

> > > > > FLEXIBLE,

> > > > >>> it

> > > > >>>> > respects

> > > > >>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades

> > through

> > > > > each

> > > > >>> and every

> > > > >>>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is

> the

> > > > > fullest

> > > > >>>> > expression of

> > > > >>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully

> > > > > enjoying

> > > > >>> those,

> > > > >>>> > never

> > > > >>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > RR

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > ,

> > srinivasa

> > > > >>> murthy adavi

> > > > >>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

> > > > >>>> > > >>

> > > > >>>> > > >> Dear Sir

> > > > >>>> > > >> A few more words-

> > > > >>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that

> wherever

> > > > >>> cosmological

> > > > >>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them

> God

> > > > > reveals

> > > > >>> himself

> > > > >>>> > in

> > > > >>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

> > > > >>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu

> and

> > > > > Shiva

> > > > >>> along with

> > > > >>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva

> > etc,and

> > > > >>> others like

> > > > >>>> > Shirdi

> > > > >>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus

> > > Christ,Prophet

> > > > >>> Mohammed etc

> > > > >>>> > all

> > > > >>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying methods

> for

> > > > >>> bringing in the

> > > > >>>> > > > cosmological harmony.

> > > > >>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more

> > madeout

> > > by

> > > > >>> selfish

> > > > >>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to

> gain

> > > false

> > > > >>> sympathy and

> > > > >>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires(more

> > > > > personal

> > > > >>> or for a

> > > > >>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

> > > > >>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-

> The

> > > > > people

> > > > >>> (some)

> > > > >>>> > are

> > > > >>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae

> > > theselves

> > > > >>> are not

> > > > >>>> > > bothering

> > > > >>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here

> the

> > > > >>> question is the

> > > > >>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of

> > > creativeness

> > > > >>> and freedom

> > > > >>>> > of

> > > > >>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna

> > > married

> > > > > 8

> > > > >>> women and

> > > > >>>> > gave

> > > > >>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other

> wives,the

> > > > > truth

> > > > >>> was never

> > > > >>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world

> the

> > > > >>> importance of

> > > > >>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form

> of

> > > > >>> TheDivine even

> > > > >>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed

> as

> > > > > truth

> > > > >>> that jesus

> > > > >>>> > was

> > > > >>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take

> liberty

> > (in

> > > > > the

> > > > >>> name of

> > > > >>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the

> > > > > truth.Some

> > > > >>> day we

> > > > >>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the

> branch

> > > on

> > > > >>> which we're

> > > > >>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish

> > > > > desires

> > > > >>> these

> > > > >>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

> > > > > religious

> > > > >>>> > tenets.We'll

> > > > >>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami

> > > without

> > > > >>> warning.So

> > > > >>>> > please

> > > > >>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom

> of

> > > > >>> expression media

> > > > >>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed

> dangerous

> > > > >>> boundaries.

> > > > >>>> > > >>

> > > > >>>> > > >> regards

> > > > >>>> > > >>

> > > > >>>> > > >> srinivas

> > > > >>>> > > >>

> > > > >>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >>>> > > >> Sri,

> > > > >>>> > > >>

> > > > >>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your

> > > > > message

> > > > >>> but when

> > > > >>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the

> > > image

> > > > > of

> > > > >>> a Kind and

> > > > >>>> > > > Wise

> > > > >>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best

> > > > > interests

> > > > >>>> > (actually

> > > > >>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any

> parent!)

> > > > >>>> > > >>

> > > > >>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief

> have

> > > > > stood

> > > > >>> all

> > > > >>>> > religions

> > > > >>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong,

> would

> > > > > they

> > > > >>> still be

> > > > >>>> > here?

> > > > >>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity

> > that

> > > > > has

> > > > >>> been

> > > > >>>> > > > associated

> > > > >>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or

> > another.

> > > > >>>> > > >>

> > > > >>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish,

> though

> > > with

> > > > > some

> > > > >>>> > difficulty!

> > > > >>>> > > >>

> > > > >>>> > > >> RR

> > > > >>>> > > >>

> > > > >>>> > > >> ,

> > > srinivasa

> > > > >>> murthy adavi

> > > > >>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>> Dear Members,

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based

> on

> > > the

> > > > >>> sermon

> > > > >>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

> > > > >>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

> > > > > particular

> > > > >>> mantra(when

> > > > >>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja

> done

> > > > > based

> > > > >>> on saatwik

> > > > >>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH

> > > AdiSankaracharya

> > > > > or

> > > > >>> Other

> > > > >>>> > Revered

> > > > >>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if

> > > prescribed

> > > > >>> mantra is

> > > > >>>> > the

> > > > >>>> > > > apt

> > > > >>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will

> lead

> > > to

> > > > > a

> > > > >>> proper

> > > > >>>> > person

> > > > >>>> > > > at

> > > > >>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual such

> > that

> > > > > the

> > > > >>> native

> > > > >>>> > gets

> > > > >>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner

> > > > > fortitude

> > > > >>> to

> > > > >>>> > withstand

> > > > >>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without

> > > letting

> > > > >>> him loose

> > > > >>>> > his

> > > > >>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in

> our

> > > > > work

> > > > >>> spot if we

> > > > >>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a

> problem,he

> > > will

> > > > >>> solve himself

> > > > >>>> > > > (if

> > > > >>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or

> he

> > > will

> > > > >>> direct us to

> > > > >>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the

> > > > >>> authorised one).

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>> regards

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>> srinivas

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> > > > >>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your

> observation.

> > > The

> > > > >>> quick remedy

> > > > >>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer

> too.

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for

> > > > > shani,

> > > > >>> mars,

> > > > >>>> > > > rahu/ketu

> > > > >>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for

> example -

> > > > >>> jyotishi

> > > > >>>> > suggest

> > > > >>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make

> sense?

> > > > > and if

> > > > >>> the

> > > > >>>> > native

> > > > >>>> > > > is

> > > > >>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following

> krishna's

> > > > >>> pooja; then

> > > > >>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy,

> > then

> > > > > it

> > > > >>> must also

> > > > >>>> > be

> > > > >>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse /

> afliction

> > > etc

> > > > >>> can be

> > > > >>>> > remedied

> > > > >>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age

> (or

> > > say

> > > > >>> which dasha

> > > > >>>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to

> invoke

> > > > >>> powers) require

> > > > >>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think,

> not

> > > all

> > > > > the

> > > > >>> people

> > > > >>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such

> rituals

> > > > > well.

> > > > >>> and if

> > > > >>>> > does

> > > > >>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the

> standard

> > > > > excuse

> > > > >>> for the

> > > > >>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined

> > > > > vidhi of

> > > > >>> surya

> > > > >>>> > naman

> > > > >>>> > > > (

> > > > >>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

> > > > > circumstances),

> > > > >>> offering

> > > > >>>> > > > water

> > > > >>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja

> > etc.

> > > I

> > > > > do

> > > > >>> not think,

> > > > >>>> > > > the

> > > > >>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is

> going to

> > > > > help

> > > > >>> without

> > > > >>>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue -

> how

> > do

> > > we

> > > > >>> know, if the

> > > > >>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not

> required

> > > > > any

> > > > >>> more?

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> > > > > produce

> > > > >>> it, and we

> > > > >>>> > > > star

> > > > >>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your

> life!!

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear members,

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture

> at

> > > > >>> Bhartiya Vidya

> > > > >>>> > > >> mandir, a

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

> > > > > proffessor ,told

> > > > >>> us

> > > > >>>> > students

> > > > >>>> > > > a

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

> > > > >>> remedies,without

> > > > >>>> > > > knowledge,

> > > > >>>> > > >> its

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many

> times,

> > > of

> > > > > this

> > > > >>>> > statement

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

> > > > > forthcoming

> > > > >>> or news

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong

> remedy is

> > > > >>> suggested. Also

> > > > >>>> > > > it

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the

> astrologer,

> > > > > when he

> > > > >>> suggests

> > > > >>>> > so

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is

> > saying.

> > > > > For

> > > > >>> eg.for

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the

> native

> > to

> > > do

> > > > >>> pooja of

> > > > >>>> > > >> Lakshmi,

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the

> > > shakti

> > > > >>> may be one,

> > > > >>>> > > > but

> > > > >>>> > > >> the

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas

> like

> > > > > sattwa,

> > > > >>> tamas or

> > > > >>>> > > >> rajas.

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the

> native ?

> > > > > Also

> > > > >>> at times

> > > > >>>> > > > stones

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the

> > > divine

> > > > >>> couloured

> > > > >>>> > rays

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case

> > > > > solidified

> > > > >>>> > state),also

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if

> > suggested

> > > > >>> wrongly.

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for

> > Mahadasha

> > > > >>> lord, some for

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

> > > > > suggesting

> > > > >>> the stone

> > > > >>>> > at

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric

> > > results

> > > > >>> also which

> > > > >>>> > > > would

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for.

> For

> > > > > ex.Libra

> > > > >>>> > > > native.Will

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native?

> > Only

> > > > >>> experience

> > > > >>>> > from

> > > > >>>> > > >> the

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge.

> > > > > Talking of

> > > > >>> mantras,

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the

> rishi

> > > > > munis

> > > > >>> of ancient

> > > > >>>> > > >> times

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple

> > > recite

> > > > >>> the mantra

> > > > >>>> > in

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the

> > same

> > > > >>> mantra

> > > > >>>> > wrongly,

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of

> course

> > > they

> > > > >>> had the

> > > > >>>> > power

> > > > >>>> > > > to

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and

> then,

> > > but

> > > > >>> what about

> > > > >>>> > us

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for

> > > long,

> > > > > but

> > > > >>> the point

> > > > >>>> > > > is,

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

> > > > > remedies.

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> regards,

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> ,

> > > Prafulla

> > > > >>> Gang

> > > > >>>> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so

> > > > > please

> > > > >>> do not

> > > > >>>> > > > misread

> > > > >>>> > > >> me.

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult

> combinations,

> > > > > curses

> > > > >>> etc in a

> > > > >>>> > > > chart

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures

> (per

> > > his

> > > > >>> experience).

> > > > >>>> > > >> Native

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some

> remedy

> > > > > (may

> > > > >>> be

> > > > >>>> > > > alternative

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose)

> knowingly

> > or

> > > > >>> unknowlingly

> > > > >>>> > > > (for

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful

> > > remedy

> > > > > for

> > > > >>> rahu /

> > > > >>>> > > > ketu;

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without

> > > > > thinking

> > > > >>> it as

> > > > >>>> > remedy

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

> > > > > recommendation

> > > > >>> of

> > > > >>>> > > > remedies,

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events /

> > daily

> > > > >>> routine etc.

> > > > >>>> > > >> Should

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this -

> > > Specifically -

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the

> > > curse /

> > > > >>> affliction

> > > > >>>> > > >> related

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more

> required?

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at

> > > > > respective

> > > > >>> planetary

> > > > >>>> > > >> ages

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are

> > considered

> > > > > to

> > > > >>> be fully

> > > > >>>> > > > done

> > > > >>>> > > >> or

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist

> > like.

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good

> > practice

> > > > > of

> > > > >>> suggesting

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol;

> especially

> > > > > around

> > > > >>> mantras.

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something -

> must

> > be

> > > > > in

> > > > >>> line with

> > > > >>>> > > >> native's

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras

> etc

> > > > > involve

> > > > >>> lots of

> > > > >>>> > > >> rituals

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and

> > > assessment

> > > > > of

> > > > >>> its need

> > > > >>>> > is

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be

> dealt so

> > > > >>> casually by

> > > > >>>> > > > fellow

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the

> list

> > > > >>> astrologers)

> > > > >>>> > and

> > > > >>>> > > >> to a

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for

> > > getting

> > > > >>> into

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it,

> we

> > > > > produce

> > > > >>> it, and

> > > > >>>> > we

> > > > >>>> > > >> star

> > > > >>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your

> life!!

> > > > >>>> > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > >

> > > > >>>> > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

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> > > > >>>> > > >>

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> > >

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> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > > Prashantkumar G B

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>> > group

> > > > >>>> > > but

> > > > >>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by

> chat,

> > > > > mail

> > > > >>> or phone.

> > > > >>>> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*-

> > > > >>>> > > 09840051861

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > >

> > > > >>>> > > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check

> out

> > > the

> > > > >>> handy

> > > > >>>> > changes to

> > > > >>>> > > .

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> > > > >>>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

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> > > > >>>> >

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> > > > >>>> >

> > > > >>>> >

> > > > >>>> >

> > > > >>>> > Prashantkumar G B

> > > > >>>> >

> > > > >>>> > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> > > > >>> group

> > > > >>>> > but

> > > > >>>> > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

> > mail

> > > or

> > > > >>> phone.

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> > > > >>>> >

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> > > > >>>> >

> > > > >>>> >

> > > > >>>> >

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> > > > > calls.

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> > > > >>>> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar

 

In fact, I was stepping out that time, so did not post details. I did not want to post that as quiz.

 

Generally, mutual association of sun / mercury / mars (and jupiter ) for leo lagna are excellent for materialistic gains. In 12th house (though dustasthana) - it gives gains from foreign land. Ketu needs unlocking and I have observed the lady adapting the traits for gains.

 

I wanted to put this specific case for materialistic pursuits (I am sorry formy inclination to see this results from te ery beginning of my jyotish learning). When LL goes to 12th, it is always in 2nd from AL - and then it becomes highly benefic for materialistic pursuits (in foreign land). I have observed this in large number of charts (including in Don Dawood Ibrahim - his chart was once posted in one of the journal - leo lagna with most benefics as mentioned above in 12th). Saturn is Ok planet for leo lagna (for my experience in most leo lagna charts - contrary to traditional view) - yes sticks person to tradition and presses the native for hard work. Ketu in 12th also be noted (as Ranjan ji's example chart post on another thread). Sun in karka rashi will always depend upon the strength of moon (I am not referring to shubha / ashubha moon - but krur or somya moon - Bhaskar ji, your sun too, though aspected by functional malefic moon, is potential to deliver results with remedies and you have first hand experience for it). Natal aspect of shani over mars / sun etc has not really tormented them from health' perspectie till now, not which I am aware of(1972 borne lady). Transit saturn over 12th house was important for my own research (being in 8th from natal moon; over natal mars / sun / ketu etc; under aspect of transit rahu etc)..but surprisingly, it coincided with guru in 11th from natal moon as well. and lady moved back for overseas stay - this time with active participation in her husband's business..(yes, her residency issue is yet to be settled). Except for sleep disorders, transit has been good (though not very smooth, in terms of ease of life / events..but result giving).

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

After every "victory" you have more enemies.

 

 

>

> bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:06:42 -0000

>

> Re: REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN

>

> Yes Sir,

>

> The native of the chart I gave does wear glasse and thick ones, I

> remember.

> 5th house natural house of Sun if afflicted person may face

> problems in speculation. Yes will remember, good point.

>

> In chart You put up. Sun lord of Lagna, with Mercury a malefic and

> with Mars Yogkaraka for this lagna, does not sound good for health

> or money ,matters for native, again Rahu aspecting from 6th, are

> sufferings very much great to the native, to make her run away from

> her house ? But saturn seems to be saving grace here with Venus (Does

> it ?) fopr certain matters related to 10th house as in own natural

> house with Venus in own house, but again 3rd aspect to 12th worsens

> matters. Please dont keep in suspense. What is the fate of the native.

> again affliction to eyes noted here.

>

> bhaskar,

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>

>> Interesting chart.

>>

>> generally speaking -for any chart - Sun, if afflicted / weak -

> also indicates eye trouble, bones related troubles (frequent

> fractures etc), disrespect to father (including spiritual gurus),

> heart trouble). if associated with bitter enemy rahu, will divert

> native from his dharma (with social immorality) and self

> righteousness etc;

>>

>> in the example quoted - sun is afflicting both 7th house / 9th

> house lord.

>>

>> Let me share another interesting chart -Female - leo lagna;

> moon/jupiter in 5th house, mercury/ketu/mars/sun in 12th house karka;

> venus/saturn in taurus; rahu in makara; I will write more about this

> in next mail from sun's perspective.

>>

>> Sun is also karka for speculation; and if afflicted - native must

> be careful from speculative activities.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> After every "victory" you have more enemies.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> bhaskar_jyotish

>>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:35:49 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN

>>>

>>> Following chart came up just three days back for study.

>>>

>>> DOB 27th Aug 1973

>>> TOB 6.00 pm

>>> POB - Bikaner (Rajasthan)

>>>

>>> Current Mahadasha running Moon from 25.5.05 till 25.5.15

>>> Antar Mars from 23.3.06 till 26.10.06

>>>

>>>

>>> Ascendant- Capricorn

>>> Jup in 1st house,

>>> Mars in 4th

>>> Saturn + Ketu in 6th

>>> Sun + Mer + Moon in 5th

>>> Venus in 9th

>>>

>>> Cuspal

>>> Mars moves to 3rd

>>> Saturn + Ketu to 5th

>>> Venus to 8th

>>> Jupiter to 12th

>>> Sun + Moon + Mer to 7th

>>>

>>> Notes.

>>> Though Sun is in its own house but close proximity to Moon who is

>>> Lord of 7th and also

>>> Mer becomes 9th Lord denoting father . All three together in 8th

>>> showing affliction

>>> In Cuspal also though Moon in own 7th house but Sun also as lord

> of

>>> eight along with

>>> Mercury lord of 9th as well as 6th.

>>>

>>> About native-

>>> Is Chartered accountant earning Rs.1 Lakh salary per month in

> Bombay

>>> in some company.

>>> Was never able to satisfy father and always difference of opinion

>>> existed. Finally after

>>> finishing course of CA left father for greener pastures. Since

> last

>>> many years

>>> after marriage not staying with father. They both are in different

>>> cities. Father lives in Calcutta.

>>> Now problem with wife who is educated. Not happy marriage, though

>>> will not seperate.

>>>

>>> I have not yet suggested remedy for Sun.

>>> Most of the afflictions mentioned by Prafullji exist here.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>>>

>>>> If you may share experiences with afflicted sun / malefic sun or

>>> weak sun (in any chart if you can) , it will help us in

> understanding

>>> the necessity of remedies for sun.

>>>>

>>>> I request other members as well, to share the experiences with

>>> weak / afflicted or malefic sun. and the remedies pursued for it.

>>>>

>>>> Malefic sun is one of the major factor (often overlooked as well)

>>> for disturbed marital life (seperation / divorce etc). If sun is

>>> malefic / afflicted / weak, it has tendency to make the native

>>> unethical (immoral will be little harsh statement - yes, he will

> be

>>> less inclined for upholding moral values) with uncompromising egos

>>> and overconfidence. Native often overlooks his dharma and if it

> has

>>> connection with 7th house / 7th lord / venus etc, then can affect

>>> married life adversely (subject to other overriding factors, dasha

>>> etc).

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> After every "victory" you have more enemies.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:38:27 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> REMEDY - MY EXPERIENCES- THE SUN

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Prafullji,

>>>>>

>>>>> fasting on sundays should be broken (at sun set) and in that

>>> evening

>>>>> meal - salt must not be consumed. (malefic sun)

>>>>>

>>>>> - Sir I did exactly this, broke fast before sunset and without

>>> salt.

>>>>> (The first Sunday of fast itself You will not believe I had

> the

>>>>> tremendous effect.

>>>>> In the evening after night fall Father called me and asked

> me

>>> to

>>>>> explain what i was doing

>>>>> professionaly. The conversations which followed ensued in a

>>>>> terrible verbal fight

>>>>> between us, and i remember going to my room heart-broken and

>>>>> commenting to my wife,-

>>>>> what is the use of this fast, etc.- But after half an hour I

>>> do

>>>>> not know what came into me

>>>>> I took all my papers and accounts to show him and the

>>> samples of

>>>>> electrical items which I was

>>>>> selling at that time. He then asked me to join him under a

>>>>> common roof where he already has

>>>>> a flourishing business, which I did and continued with him

> for

>>>>> next 5 years. Prior to this I was

>>>>> seperated from my father in business for 3 years and were

> not

>>> on

>>>>> talking terms.

>>>>> This was the effect of Sun Gods favour on first day itself.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper

>>>>> plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like

>>> recitation

>>>>> of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun)

>>>>>

>>>>> -My sister sent this plate to me with instructions of making the

>>>>> Round Sun on the copper plate

>>>>> with sandal wood paste (She sent this also, so that my doing

>>>>> pooja ,would be ensured )

>>>>> and then chanting prayers to Surya Narayan , Aditya Hrdyam

>>> Stotra,

>>>>> Om Suryaye namah Japa Mala, etc.

>>>>> She sent this from Calcutta on advise of some Pandit whom she

>>> had

>>>>> shown my Kundli.

>>>>>

>>>>> Though the above experiences are personal, yet I have mentioned

> so

>>>>> readers can get first

>>>>> person feel.

>>>>> My ascendant is Leo. Sun is in 11th house (10th Bhava) in Gemini

>>>>> along with Mercury.

>>>>> Moon is in 5th house (4th Bhava) in Sagittarius . was born on

>>>>> Purnima.

>>>>> In Navamsha Sun is with Mercury in Capricorn in 6th house.

>>>>>

>>>>> Hope info helps,

>>>>>

>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji

>>>>>>

>>>>>> In my experiences with few local astrologers - I observed

> little

>>>>> modifed remedies (from the detailed list you provided)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> fasting on sundays should be broken like rojas in islam (at sun

>>>>> set) and in that evening meal - salt must not be consumed.

>>> (malefic

>>>>> sun)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> charities of red wheat / gud etc to kshatriya community person

>>>>> (some suggest the weight of wheat to be equal to the weight of

>>>>> native) - malefic sun

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Lord Sun's Pooja - to be done by making symbolic sun in copper

>>>>> plate with red sandalwood and then offering prayers like

>>> recitation

>>>>> of aditya hridya strotra (malefic sun or weak sun)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Some more remedies, i observed people pursuing for malefic sun

>>>>>>

>>>>>> prior to commencement of any work / meeting, eat a piece

>>>>> of "Mishri" (I think, it is lal kitab's totka)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> In the sunday evening (around sun set), offering roti (baked on

>>>>> fire) cooked from left out flour to an sitting OX (one will

> seldom

>>>>> find an Ox sitting around sunset time)

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>

>>>>>> After every "victory" you have more enemies.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> panditarjun2004@

>>>>>>> Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:24:04 -0000

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> new exercise on jyotish remedies - SUN

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> dear prafullaji

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> as you observed rightly, it is good if we ALL CONTRIBUTING

>>> MEMBERS

>>>>>>> discuss threadbare on remedies for each planet first. when we

>>>>> mean

>>>>>>> remedies for a planet, it means that by doing these remedies,

>>> that

>>>>>>> particular planet will give benefic or auspcicious results

> with

>>>>>>> which the native stands benefited.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> so in the first exercise, let us discuss on remedies for SUN.

>>>>> when

>>>>>>> sun is weak, debilitated, placed in a dushthana, grahana yoga

> in

>>>>>>> conjunction with rahu or ketu or placed in the stars of rahu

> and

>>>>>>> ketu, we find negative results.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> following are the general remedies which can be followed for

> any

>>>>>>> type of sun related problems:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 1. recital of gayatri mantra every day

>>>>>>> 2. giving arghyam in a copper vessel to sun god every day

>>>>>>> 3. worshipping the photo image of a sun god sitting on seven

>>>>> horses

>>>>>>> and offering it a red flower daily.

>>>>>>> 4. fasting on sundays.

>>>>>>> 5. donate wheat grains.

>>>>>>> 6. donate food to blind people.

>>>>>>> 7. wear a twelve mukh rudraksha in gold chain or red thread.

>>>>>>> 8. wear a burmese ruby in gold in the ring finger.

>>>>>>> 9. wear a surya emulet having the surya yantra, mantra and

>>> symbol.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> members can add more remedies or discuss at length on the

>>>>> reasoning

>>>>>>> or rationale behind performance of the above remedies. in my

>>>>>>> understanding, none of the remedies have negative side affects

>>> and

>>>>>>> hence can be done as an upay for sun.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> this is just an example of how we can discuss threadbare on

> all

>>>>>>> remedies to a particular planet starting with sun and members

>>> are

>>>>>>> free to add, supplement and pose queries and doubts to throw

>>> more

>>>>>>> light.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> with best wishes

>>>>>>> pandit arjun

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

>>> <jyotish@>

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You have initiated an excellent thread. I request you to

>>>>> structure

>>>>>>> this first (in terms of priorities like first planetary

>>> remedies,

>>>>>>> then for various curses etc) and then each member may share

>>> their

>>>>>>> experiences / various remedies.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a

> groan.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> panditarjun2004@

>>>>>>>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:57:19 -0000

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> dear friends

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> as you observed in your concluding para, i request you all

> to

>>>>>>>>> present one remedy for discussion threadbare and we will

>>> supply

>>>>>>>>> facts, references and past results with various people from

>>>>> which

>>>>>>>>> you can draw your own reasoning. it is always better to

>>> discuss

>>>>>>> one

>>>>>>>>> remedy completely before discussing the other. in fact if

> we

>>>>>>>>> indulge in such process, that would be the best contribution

>>>>> this

>>>>>>>>> group would have ever got.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> with best wishes

>>>>>>>>> pandit arjun

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

>>>>> <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pandit Arjun ji

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Very well said.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I just for the sake of clarification, did not mention the

>>>>>>> remedies

>>>>>>>>> in jainism; On the contrary, I mentioned that the Navakar

>>> Mantra

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> one of the powerful remedial measure for rahu / ketu; and

>>>>> fasting

>>>>>>>>> system for shani / ketu.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Yes, each religion has some pooja / ritual for each

> planetary

>>>>>>>>> factor.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Yes, you are very correct that remedy may not be effective

>>> for

>>>>>>>>> each person (like medicine); but sir, the whole question

>>> started

>>>>>>>>> with the confusions - how to to assess whether remedy is

>>>>>>> required (I

>>>>>>>>> mean if the daily rituals / remedy done earlier has already

>>>>> fixed

>>>>>>>>> the dosha?) and if these remedies work at specific age /

>>>>>>> transit /

>>>>>>>>> dasha / planetary age (like mars at 28 etc).

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> To borrow is to invite a sorrow; to loan is to invite a

>>> groan.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> panditarjun2004@

>>>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:54:20 -0000

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4

> tantra

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> dear friends

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> good exchange of views and opinions on the subject that

>>> jells

>>>>>>>>> well

>>>>>>>>>>> with the objective of this group. this very question on

> the

>>>>>>>>>>> efficacy of remedies keep propping up off and on, yet

> again,

>>>>>>>>>>> periodically in all groups.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday had been to mehendipur balaji mandir in

> rajasthan

>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> removing an evil and got that done successfully.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> coming to the remedies, let me give an emphatic statement

>>> that

>>>>>>>>>>> remedies ARE recommended by ALL religions and ARE followed

>>> by

>>>>>>> ALL

>>>>>>>>>>> religions and its miraculous results ARE seen by ALL

>>>>> religions.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> hindus, christians, muslis, jains, buddhists and other

>>>>>>> religions

>>>>>>>>> DO

>>>>>>>>>>> RECOMMEND remedies for alleviating the suffering or pain

> of

>>> a

>>>>>>>>> person

>>>>>>>>>>> or for getting something the native wants. in all

>>> religions,

>>>>>>>>> these

>>>>>>>>>>> remedies are recommended by their gurus on a daily basis

> as

>>>>>>>>> devotees

>>>>>>>>>>> visit them daily seeking remedies. if a devout jain like

>>>>>>>>> prafulla

>>>>>>>>>>> ji says no remedies are recommended by jainism, i can

>>> furnsih

>>>>>>>>> both

>>>>>>>>>>> white and blagic magic tantras and mantras followed by

> jains

>>>>>>>>> along

>>>>>>>>>>> with various other saatvik remedies recommended by jains

>>> which

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> followed by many a jain everywhere. on islam, i gave some

>>>>>>>>>>> information few months ago as to what remedies they

> follow,

>>>>>>>>>>> notwithsanding the non-criptural sanction of the holy

> koran.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> so, one can firmly conclude that all religions follow

>>> remedies

>>>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>>>> or without scriptural sanction. the present day lawyers,

>>>>>>>>> chartered

>>>>>>>>>>> accountants, company secretaries in private domain and the

>>> law

>>>>>>>>>>> enforcing authorities in the governemnt all refer to the

>>>>>>> PRESENT

>>>>>>>>>>> EXISTING AMENDED RULES OR ACTS AS ON DATE. unfortnately

>>> when

>>>>>>>>> comes

>>>>>>>>>>> to religious practices and remedies, these scriptures are

>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>> amended and hence gullible people still want references

> from

>>>>>>>>> orient

>>>>>>>>>>> classics which look insane to a logical person of the

>>> present

>>>>>>>>>>> world. so, a holistic approach with sound logic and

>>> ratinale

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> what required for recommending or following any remedy by

>>> any

>>>>>>>>>>> religious person.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> another factor to note is that one individual's personal

>>>>>>>>> expereinces

>>>>>>>>>>> cannot create a principle or reject a principle.

>>>>> unfortunately

>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>> public groups, people express their own views and opinions

>>> and

>>>>>>>>> try

>>>>>>>>>>> to impose them as laws. for example, one astrologer did

> not

>>>>>>> get

>>>>>>>>>>> positive results of one remedy, he summarily rejects it.

>>>>>>>>> similarly

>>>>>>>>>>> one astrologer did another remedy and got positive results

>>> and

>>>>>>>>> hence

>>>>>>>>>>> he publicises it everywhere that it works, nay, it is the

>>> best

>>>>>>>>>>> remedy. if one person fails in love, he becomes a slave

> to

>>>>>>>>> alcohol

>>>>>>>>>>> and start painting love itself as a bad thing, for he

> didnt

>>>>> get

>>>>>>>>> it.

>>>>>>>>>>> similarly if a person is having pecuniary problems despite

>>> his

>>>>>>>>> being

>>>>>>>>>>> pious and doing good deeds, he develops disbelief in god

> and

>>>>>>>>> start

>>>>>>>>>>> criticising the very god. if one person is extremely

> happy

>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>> has

>>>>>>>>>>> all riches and comforts in the world left away by his

>>>>>>> ancestors,

>>>>>>>>> he

>>>>>>>>>>> says that he is the only person who did good karma in his

>>>>>>>>> previous

>>>>>>>>>>> birth and rest all suffering people have done so many sins

>>>>>>> which

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> why they are suffering. all such remarks are aberrations

>>> and

>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> personal observations and not rules or principles.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> hence friends, instead of forming theories based on

> personal

>>>>>>>>>>> experiences, please put up your doubts on a specific

> remedy,

>>>>> so

>>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>>>> we will furnish as much truth and facts on that particular

>>>>>>> remedy

>>>>>>>>>>> along with scriptural references if any and as to how many

>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>>>>> got benefited out of that. if one person whose skin is

>>>>>>>>>>> hypersensitive to one medicine develops skin allergy, he

>>>>> cannot

>>>>>>>>>>> criticise the efficacy of the medicine itself, for it

> proved

>>>>>>> best

>>>>>>>>>>> for crores of people without any such allergies.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> with best wishes

>>>>>>>>>>> pandit arjun

>>>>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>> <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bhaskar ji and Shri Kumar ji

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes these strotras are very powerful. In a way, any

> strotra

>>>>> by

>>>>>>>>> any

>>>>>>>>>>> native performed as selfless devotion is always good.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

> and

>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:10:11 -0000

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4

>>> tantra

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without meaning to intervene,but just to assentuate what

>>>>> Your

>>>>>>>>>>>>> goodself has mentioned.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sundarkand is extremely good for blanket of protection

> if

>>>>>>> done

>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly.(Takes app.30-40 minutes with normal speed)

>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I have seen the advantages in multiples of cases,over

>>> last

>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 decades.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aditya Hrdyam is very powerful when Sun is weak in

>>>>> horoscope,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> advantages-of good health, helps for better relations

> with

>>>>>>> own

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Father, increases power of personality to make the

>>> superiors

>>>>>>>>>>>>> work favourably towards us, etc.(4 minutes if reciting

>>>>>>>>> regularly)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranaam is good for overall prosperity in the

>>>>>>> house.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> To gain grace of God, to be recited by all male & female

>>>>>>>>> members

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the house, but at least by female members to ensure

>>>>>>> longlife

>>>>>>>>>>>>> success etc.to husband.(Takes 12-14 minutes after

>>> practise)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is being done by family and myself so written

> above,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> to narrate firsthand experience therefore not hearsay.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again You have tried to help,I have understood,though

>>>>>>>>> indirectly.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank You.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> , Prashant Kumar

> G

>>> B

>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM

>>>>>>> between

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sep 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies

> for

>>>>>>> diff

>>>>>>>>>>>>> planets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana

>>> gives

>>>>>>>>>>>>> courage , relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac

>>>>>>>>>>> diorders.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also

>>> help

>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> many

>>>>>>>>>>>>> remedies. according to the tabulation

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on

>>>>>>>>> respirotary

>>>>>>>>>>>>> disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother

>>>>>>> religious

>>>>>>>>>>> works

>>>>>>>>>>>>> for other religions they must make it know so that it is

>>>>>>>>>>> prescribed,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now we can go on what is available.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew

>>>>> them

>>>>>>>>> so

>>>>>>>>>>> did

>>>>>>>>>>>>> not cover it it is just like u try different medicine

>>>>>>> systems

>>>>>>>>>>> to get

>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cure for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can

> try

>>> it

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains

> too

>>>>>>> who

>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow it thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system

>>> do

>>>>>>> try

>>>>>>>>>>> whole

>>>>>>>>>>>>> heartedly and they do the animal feeding too as natural

>>> as

>>>>>>>>>>> breathing.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know

>>>>>>> muslims

>>>>>>>>>>> who

>>>>>>>>>>>>> consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there

>>> was

>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread in Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can

>>> take

>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>> look in

>>>>>>>>>>>>> archives.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>> Dear

>>>>>>>>> Shri

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kumar ji

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think, the thread is bit diverted by me

> unknowingly.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to

>>> me):

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native

>>> for

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> remedy they suggest (like medical profession).

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b. Remedial measures help native in building mental

>>>>>>>>>>> strengtht to

>>>>>>>>>>>>> find realistic solutions

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any

>>>>> role,

>>>>>>>>> if

>>>>>>>>>>> any.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as

>>>>>>> possible,

>>>>>>>>>>> must

>>>>>>>>>>>>> not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic

> lines)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of

>>>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>>>>>>>>> parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more

>>>>>>>>> authentic

>>>>>>>>>>>>> remedies

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored

>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach

> of

>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> planet.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic

>>> shani) -

>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting native to be little more hard working, be

> bit

>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>>>> planned in its approach, making the working environment

>>>>>>> little

>>>>>>>>>>>>> organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This

>>> may

>>>>>>>>> tone

>>>>>>>>>>>>> down shani for favourable results. or help native in

>>> coping

>>>>>>> up

>>>>>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

> it,

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>>>>>> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...]

>>>>> 23/7 -

>>>>>>> 4

>>>>>>>>>>> tantra

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as

> they r

>>>>>>>>>>> offshoots

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence,

>>> evil

>>>>>>>>>>> design

>>>>>>>>>>>>> or black

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Dear Shri Kumar ji

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and

>>>>>>> helped

>>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > popularising the religion). But interesting thing

> to

>>>>>>> watch

>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> rise of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these

> religions

>>>>>>> have

>>>>>>>>>>> very

>>>>>>>>>>>>> intense

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in

>>>>>>>>> tantras

>>>>>>>>>>> (do

>>>>>>>>>>>>> not mix

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

> produce

>>>>>>> it,

>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>>> we star in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > gbp_kumar@

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > RE: Re: remedies

> [communication...]

>>>>>>>>>>> 23/27 -2

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of

> remedies

>>> r

>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>>> bbeong done or

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow,

>>> hen

>>>>>>> or

>>>>>>>>>>> child

>>>>>>>>>>>>> or huam

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > so

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > the rest of the points don't count. there was

>>>>>>>>> excessive

>>>>>>>>>>>>> balis then

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in

> fear

>>> if

>>>>>>>>>>> there

>>>>>>>>>>>>> was no

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rain or

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > some for monetry reasons.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Dear Ranjan ji

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin

>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jainism, Budhism,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any

> specific

>>>>>>>>>>> religion,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> then why

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not,

>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>>>>>>>>> something which

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > is

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory,

>>>>>>>>> religion

>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc).

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we

>>>>>>> produce

>>>>>>>>>>> it,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we star

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > jyotish_vani@

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Re: remedies

> [communication...]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Dear Srinivas,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and

> replying

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>>>> food for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > thought.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I

> am

>>>>>>> sorry

>>>>>>>>>>> dear

>>>>>>>>>>>>> tolerant

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-

>>>>>>>>>>> religious/non-

>>>>>>>>>>>>> ritual

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > type

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly

>>> fail

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>> notice the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > strength

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > of conviction of my rather meek and

>>> submissive

>>>>>>>>>>> mother

>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do her

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational

> father

>>>>>>>>>>> scientist

>>>>>>>>>>>>> manager

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > father always being interested in

>>> intellectual

>>>>>>>>>>>>> scriptures such as

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > those written by Vivekananda and very

>>>>>>> intensively

>>>>>>>>>>>>> tuning into

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > that

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-

> core

>>>>>>>>>>> scientist

>>>>>>>>>>>>> and one of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever

>>> known,

>>>>>>>>>>> europe

>>>>>>>>>>>>> trained and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > all

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > that had four plaster of paris images on

> the

>>>>>>> wall

>>>>>>>>>>> next

>>>>>>>>>>>>> to his bed

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and

>>>>>>>>>>> Ramakrishna

>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the next

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer.

> This

>>>>>>> man

>>>>>>>>>>> always

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > pooh-poohed

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > my interest in astrology and occult but

> never

>>>>>>>>> really

>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped me

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > either. I have been fortunate in being

>>>>>>> successful

>>>>>>>>>>> at a

>>>>>>>>>>>>> few things

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > life which he would have wanted me to be.

>>> There

>>>>>>>>> was

>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment when

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > had corrected figured out one of the

>>> Astrology

>>>>>>>>>>>>> miscellany quizzes

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly

>>>>>>> showed

>>>>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>>>>>> to him. He

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even

>>>>> today!

>>>>>>>>>>> One of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> his

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > favourite

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > And success is a personal perception!

>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately

>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of us do

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > not

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > come to terms with that.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > This may strike some readers as being

>>>>>>> irrelevant.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > What I am trying to tell is that

> spirituality

>>>>>>> has

>>>>>>>>>>> much

>>>>>>>>>>>>> more power

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > than religion or religiousness because it

> is

>>>>>>>>>>> FLEXIBLE,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > respects

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades

>>>>>>> through

>>>>>>>>>>> each

>>>>>>>>>>>>> and every

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > activity that we associate with life!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is

>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> fullest

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > expression of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while

> fully

>>>>>>>>>>> enjoying

>>>>>>>>>>>>> those,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > never

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > RR

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ,

>>>>>>> srinivasa

>>>>>>>>>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Dear Sir

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> A few more words-

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that

>>> wherever

>>>>>>>>>>>>> cosmological

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them

>>> God

>>>>>>>>>>> reveals

>>>>>>>>>>>>> himself

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity

> (Brahma,Vishnu

>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>> Shiva

>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva

>>>>>>> etc,and

>>>>>>>>>>>>> others like

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Shirdi

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus

>>>>>>>>> Christ,Prophet

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mohammed etc

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > all

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > are his manifestations with varying

> methods

>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing in the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > cosmological harmony.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more

>>>>>>> madeout

>>>>>>>>> by

>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to

>>> gain

>>>>>>>>> false

>>>>>>>>>>>>> sympathy and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > despicable justification of their desires

>>> (more

>>>>>>>>>>> personal

>>>>>>>>>>>>> or for a

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > choosen few , rather than for universal

>>> good).

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci

>>> Code-

>>>>>>> The

>>>>>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>>>>>>> (some)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > are

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae

>>>>>>>>> theselves

>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > bothering

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here

>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> question is the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > falsification of a truth in the name of

>>>>>>>>> creativeness

>>>>>>>>>>>>> and freedom

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna

>>>>>>>>> married

>>>>>>>>>>> 8

>>>>>>>>>>>>> women and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > gave

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > succour and protection to 160000 other

>>>>> wives,the

>>>>>>>>>>> truth

>>>>>>>>>>>>> was never

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > supressed and it was told telling the world

>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> importance of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate

> form

>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> TheDivine even

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was

> believed

>>>>> as

>>>>>>>>>>> truth

>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jesus

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > was

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > a celibate then why should people take

>>> liberty

>>>>>>> (in

>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> name of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify

> the

>>>>>>>>>>> truth.Some

>>>>>>>>>>>>> day we

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the

>>>>> branch

>>>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>>>>>> which we're

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > sitting.In order to justify their own

> selfish

>>>>>>>>>>> desires

>>>>>>>>>>>>> these

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of

>>>>>>>>>>> religious

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > tenets.We'll

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami

>>>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>>>>>>>> warning.So

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > please

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> fight these forces. In the name of

> freedom

>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> expression media

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed

>>>>> dangerous

>>>>>>>>>>>>> boundaries.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> regards

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> srinivas

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Sri,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of

>>> your

>>>>>>>>>>> message

>>>>>>>>>>>>> but when

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get

> the

>>>>>>>>> image

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Kind and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Wise

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our

>>> best

>>>>>>>>>>> interests

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (actually

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any

>>> parent!)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief

>>>>> have

>>>>>>>>>>> stood

>>>>>>>>>>>>> all

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > religions

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong,

>>>>> would

>>>>>>>>>>> they

>>>>>>>>>>>>> still be

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > here?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of

> negativity

>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>>>> has

>>>>>>>>>>>>> been

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > associated

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or

>>>>>>> another.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish,

>>> though

>>>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>>>> some

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > difficulty!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> RR

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> ,

>>>>>>>>> srinivasa

>>>>>>>>>>>>> murthy adavi

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Members,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were

> based

>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> sermon

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a

>>>>>>>>>>> particular

>>>>>>>>>>>>> mantra(when

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja

>>>>> done

>>>>>>>>>>> based

>>>>>>>>>>>>> on saatwik

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH

>>>>>>>>> AdiSankaracharya

>>>>>>>>>>> or

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Revered

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if

>>>>>>>>> prescribed

>>>>>>>>>>>>> mantra is

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > apt

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will

>>>>> lead

>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>>> proper

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > person

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > at

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> proper time to another right individual

> such

>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> native

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > gets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops

> inner

>>>>>>>>>>> fortitude

>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > withstand

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats)

> without

>>>>>>>>> letting

>>>>>>>>>>>>> him loose

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > his

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that

> in

>>>>>>> our

>>>>>>>>>>> work

>>>>>>>>>>>>> spot if we

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> approach a person for overcoming a

>>> problem,he

>>>>>>>>> will

>>>>>>>>>>>>> solve himself

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (if

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or

>>> he

>>>>>>>>> will

>>>>>>>>>>>>> direct us to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and

> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> authorised one).

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> srinivas

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your

>>>>> observation.

>>>>>>>>> The

>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick remedy

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer

>>>>> too.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are

>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> shani,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> mars,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > rahu/ketu

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for

>>>>>>> example -

>>>>>>>>>>>>> jyotishi

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > suggest

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make

>>>>> sense?

>>>>>>>>>>> and if

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > native

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > is

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> displaying his discomfort in following

>>>>>>> krishna's

>>>>>>>>>>>>> pooja; then

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about

> remedy,

>>>>>>> then

>>>>>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>>>>>> must also

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > be

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse /

>>>>> afliction

>>>>>>>>> etc

>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > remedied

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what

> age

>>>>> (or

>>>>>>>>> say

>>>>>>>>>>>>> which dasha

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> bhukti etc)...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to

>>>>> invoke

>>>>>>>>>>>>> powers) require

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think,

>>> not

>>>>>>>>> all

>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such

>>>>>>> rituals

>>>>>>>>>>> well.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > does

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the

>>>>> standard

>>>>>>>>>>> excuse

>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> astrologer. For example - there is

>>> predefined

>>>>>>>>>>> vidhi of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> surya

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > naman

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> and can not be performed under certain

>>>>>>>>>>> circumstances),

>>>>>>>>>>>>> offering

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > water

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular

> pooja

>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>>>> do

>>>>>>>>>>>>> not think,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> standard prescription to any native, is

>>> going

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>> help

>>>>>>>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> adhering to rituals.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue -

>>> how

>>>>>>> do

>>>>>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>>>>>> know, if the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not

>>>>>>> required

>>>>>>>>>>> any

>>>>>>>>>>>>> more?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it,

> we

>>>>>>>>>>> produce

>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, and we

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > star

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your

>>> life!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Dear members,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one

> lecture

>>> at

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhartiya Vidya

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> mandir, a

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting

>>>>>>>>>>> proffessor ,told

>>>>>>>>>>>>> us

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > students

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > a

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in

>>>>>>>>>>>>> remedies,without

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > knowledge,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> its

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many

>>>>> times,

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> this

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > statement

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results

>>>>>>>>>>> forthcoming

>>>>>>>>>>>>> or news

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong

>>> remedy

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested. Also

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > it

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the

>>> astrologer,

>>>>>>>>>>> when he

>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggests

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > so

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is

>>>>>>> saying.

>>>>>>>>>>> For

>>>>>>>>>>>>> eg.for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the

>>> native

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>> do

>>>>>>>>>>>>> pooja of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Lakshmi,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though

> the

>>>>>>>>> shakti

>>>>>>>>>>>>> may be one,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > but

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas

>>> like

>>>>>>>>>>> sattwa,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> tamas or

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> rajas.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the

>>>>> native ?

>>>>>>>>>>> Also

>>>>>>>>>>>>> at times

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > stones

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of

> the

>>>>>>>>> divine

>>>>>>>>>>>>> couloured

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rays

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this

> case

>>>>>>>>>>> solidified

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > state),also

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if

>>>>>>> suggested

>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrongly.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for

>>>>>>> Mahadasha

>>>>>>>>>>>>> lord, some for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While

>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the stone

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > at

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric

>>>>>>>>> results

>>>>>>>>>>>>> also which

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > would

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for.

>>> For

>>>>>>>>>>> ex.Libra

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > native.Will

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the

> native?

>>>>>>> Only

>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > from

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> native itself will give us the

> knowledge.

>>>>>>>>>>> Talking of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> mantras,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the

>>> rishi

>>>>>>>>>>> munis

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of ancient

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> times

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> used to sit together and make one

> disciple

>>>>>>>>> recite

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mantra

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite

> the

>>>>>>> same

>>>>>>>>>>>>> mantra

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrongly,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of

>>> course

>>>>>>>>> they

>>>>>>>>>>>>> had the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > power

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and

>>>>> then,

>>>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>>>>>> what about

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > us

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue

> for

>>>>>>>>> long,

>>>>>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the point

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > is,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting

>>>>>>>>>>> remedies.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> regards,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Bhaskar.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> ,

>>>>>>>>> Prafulla

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject,

>>> so

>>>>>>>>>>> please

>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > misread

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> me.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult

>>> combinations,

>>>>>>>>>>> curses

>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc in a

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > chart

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures

>>>>> (per

>>>>>>>>> his

>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience).

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Native

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> might have already been performing some

>>>>>>> remedy

>>>>>>>>>>> (may

>>>>>>>>>>>>> be

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > alternative

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose)

>>> knowingly

>>>>>>> or

>>>>>>>>>>>>> unknowlingly

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is

> powerful

>>>>>>>>> remedy

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>>> rahu /

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ketu;

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine

> without

>>>>>>>>>>> thinking

>>>>>>>>>>>>> it as

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > remedy

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket

>>>>>>>>>>> recommendation

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > remedies,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> without knowing te native's past

> events /

>>>>>>> daily

>>>>>>>>>>>>> routine etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Should

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this -

>>>>>>>>> Specifically -

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if,

> the

>>>>>>>>> curse /

>>>>>>>>>>>>> affliction

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> related

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more

>>> required?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only

> at

>>>>>>>>>>> respective

>>>>>>>>>>>>> planetary

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> ages

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are

>>>>>>> considered

>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>> be fully

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > done

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> or

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to

> exist

>>>>>>> like.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good

>>>>>>> practice

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol;

>>> especially

>>>>>>>>>>> around

>>>>>>>>>>>>> mantras.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something -

>>> must

>>>>>>> be

>>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>>>> line with

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> native's

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras

>>> etc

>>>>>>>>>>> involve

>>>>>>>>>>>>> lots of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> rituals

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> for effective rituals.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and

>>>>>>>>> assessment

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> its need

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > is

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be

>>> dealt

>>>>>>> so

>>>>>>>>>>>>> casually by

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > fellow

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off

> the

>>>>>>> list

>>>>>>>>>>>>> astrologers)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> to a

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible

> for

>>>>>>>>> getting

>>>>>>>>>>>>> into

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct

> it,

>>> we

>>>>>>>>>>> produce

>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > we

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> star

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your

>>>>>>> life!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Prashantkumar G B

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free

> on

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > group

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > but

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > but

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