RE: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -5 Rama

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Prafulla,

The question can't be as simple esp relation of rama and the deer.

here it is the DHARMA or role of a person where killing in war, hunting as a sport was natural only if they failed to do so it can be bad karma for them. that is they killed as a sport or free people of a menance of an animal, or an oppressive regime, deers were nornally sheltered by Rishis and they were never hunted others in the wild like all wild animals were, this in a way to restore balance within nature.

if u read the Mahabharatha where Krishna and arjuna in the KHANDAVA VANA parva u can get some clues too.

AND IN THE FINAL judgement time the ommissions and commisons get their due. we don't know of them, but r told it is counted and in some future live will be dealth with.

In RAMAYANA ITSELF if you see When Rama killed Valli from the behind [as he had a boon of those who attacked him from front his energy, strength will be his and was invincinle so did usurp his brothers wife with impunity].

Vishnu whose avatar it was in Krishna Avatar was terminated by same Vali from a mistaken identity as a Golden deer at dusk and hunted Krishna's foot.

dont ask me what happened to this (bad) karma and what happened to him in his next life, I have no answer.

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Sir

I have a confusion? Who decides the right or wrong? and How it is labelled that this action invokes wrong karma or right karma? and More importantly, god is not bothered. He / she has left the things to karmic balances.

Let me give an example - Killing an animal is bad karma (as I am tought); Lord Rama went for hunting to get the deer; was that not a bad karma?

An astrologer is adequately trained to comprehend karmic trends (including past life curses, blessings etc) for a native. If yes, then he must read and predict; else not. As very often he will indicate a bad event for the chart; which has already been remedied in some form or other...

regards / Prafulla Gang

Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

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> smadavi

> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:50:47 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: Re: remedies

>

> Dear Sir

> A few more words-

> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever cosmological imbalances

> occur in order to set right them God reveals himself in Jeevatma form (84

> lakh types).So rightfrom Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and

> Shiva along with respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and

> others like Shirdi Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet

> Mohammed etc all are his manifestations with varying methods for

> bringing in the cosmological harmony.

> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by selfish individuals

> keeping the religious mask to gain false sympathy and despicable

> justification of their desires(more personal or for a choosen few ,

> rather than for universal good).

> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people(some) are arguing

> thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are not

> bothering(protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question is the

> falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and freedom of

> expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8 women and gave

> succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth was never

> supressed and it was told telling the world the importance of adherence

> to truth,which is the ultimate form of TheDivine even overriding the

> belief.So,when it was believed as truth that jesus was a celibate then

> why should people take liberty (in the name of harmless creative

> expression) to falsify the truth.Some day we realise by such bashing

> we're cutting the branch on which we're sitting.In order to justify their

> own selfish desires these individuals are resorting to undermining of

> religious tenets.We'll face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami

> without warning.So please

> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of expression media (i'm

> talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous boundaries.

>

> regards

>

> srinivas

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Sri,

>

> Please do not take this as a critique of your message but when

> reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a Kind and Wise

> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests (actually

> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

>

> On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all religions

> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they still be here?

> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been associated

> with and used to tarnish one religion or another.

>

> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some difficulty!

>

> RR

>

> , srinivasa murthy adavi

> <smadavi wrote:

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>> Dear Members,

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>> A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon

> recieved by me from a kind soul-

>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular mantra(when

> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on saatwik

> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or Other Revered

> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed mantra is the apt

> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a proper person at

> proper time to another right individual such that the native gets

> relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to withstand

> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him loose his

> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work spot if we

> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve himself (if

> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct us to

> competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised one).

>>

>> regards

>>

>> srinivas

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>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>>

>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick remedy

> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

>>

>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars, rahu/ketu

> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi suggest

> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the native is

> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then

> astrologer starts putting tough words...

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>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must also be

> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be remedied

> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which dasha

> bhukti etc)...

>>

>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) require

> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the people

> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and if does

> not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for the

> astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya naman (

> and can not be performed under certain circumstances), offering water

> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not think, the

> standard prescription to any native, is going to help without

> adhering to rituals.

>>

>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if the

> remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more?

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star

> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>

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>>> bhaskar_jyotish

>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: remedies

>>>

>>> Dear members,

>>>

>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya

> mandir, a

>>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us students a

>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without knowledge,

> its

>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this statement

>>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news

>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also it

>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests so

>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for

>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of

> Lakshmi,

>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one, but

> the

>>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or

> rajas.

>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times stones

>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured rays

>>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified state),also

>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly.

>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for

>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone at

>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which would

>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra native.Will

>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience from

> the

>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras,

>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient

> times

>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra in

>>> the right manner and another to recite the same mantra wrongly,

>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the power to

>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about us

>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point is,

>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies.

>>>

>>> regards,

>>> Bhaskar.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Members

>>>>

>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not misread

> me.

>>>>

>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a chart

>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience).

> Native

>>> might have already been performing some remedy (may be alternative

>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly (for

>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / ketu;

>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as remedy

>>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of remedies,

>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc.

> Should

>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically -

>>>>

>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction

> related

>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

>>>>

>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary

> ages

>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully done

> or

>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like.

>>>>

>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting

>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras.

>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with

> native's

>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of

> rituals

>>> for effective rituals.

>>>>

>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is

>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by fellow

>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and

> to a

>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting into

>>> unnecessary "vaham".

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

> star

>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>>>

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