RE: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

[Guest guest]

Prafulla,

I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r offshoots of vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil design or black magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Shri Kumar ji

I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped in popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch the rise of tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have very intense reference to tantras and their monks are trained in tantras (do not mix with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

regards / Prafulla Gang

Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it.. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>

> gbp_kumar

> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

>

> RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/27 -2

>

> Prafulla,

> the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not bbeong done or

> advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or child or huam so

> the rest of the points don't count. there was excessive balis then

> beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if there was no rain or

> some for monetry reasons.

>

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

> Dear Ranjan ji

>

> At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of Jainism, Budhism,

> Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific religion, then why

> religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting something which is

> easy to follow for any person (cross territory, religion etc).

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in

> it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>

> >

> > jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

> >

> > Re: remedies [communication...]

> >

> > Dear Srinivas,

> >

> > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with more food for

> > thought.

> >

> > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry dear tolerant

> > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-religious/non-ritual type

> > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to notice the strength

> > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive mother to do her

> > tuesday fast while my my very rational father scientist manager

> > father always being interested in intellectual scriptures such as

> > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively tuning into that

> > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core scientist and one of the

> > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, europe trained and all

> > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall next to his bed for

> > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and Ramakrishna in the next

> > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man always pooh-poohed

> > my interest in astrology and occult but never really stopped me

> > either. I have been fortunate in being successful at a few things in

> > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was a moment when I

> > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology miscellany quizzes in

> > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed it to him. He

> > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! One of his favourite

> > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

> >

> > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately most of us do not

> > come to terms with that.

> >

> > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

> >

> > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has much more power

> > than religion or religiousness because it is FLEXIBLE, it respects

> > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through each and every

> > activity that we associate with life!

> >

> > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the fullest expression of

> > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully enjoying those, never

> > forgetting WHO we truly are!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , srinivasa murthy adavi

> > <smadavi wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Sir

> >> A few more words-

> >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever cosmological

> > imbalances occur in order to set right them God reveals himself in

> > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

> > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva along with

> > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and others like Shirdi

> > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet Mohammed etc all

> > are his manifestations with varying methods for bringing in the

> > cosmological harmony.

> >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by selfish

> > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false sympathy and

> > despicable justification of their desires(more personal or for a

> > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

> >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people(some) are

> > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are not

> bothering

> > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question is the

> > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and freedom of

> > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8 women and gave

> > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth was never

> > supressed and it was told telling the world the importance of

> > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of TheDivine even

> > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as truth that jesus was

> > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in the name of

> > harmless creative expression) to falsify the truth.Some day we

> > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on which we're

> > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish desires these

> > individuals are resorting to undermining of religious tenets.We'll

> > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without warning.So please

> >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of expression media

> > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous boundaries.

> >>

> >> regards

> >>

> >> srinivas

> >>

> >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

> >> Sri,

> >>

> >> Please do not take this as a critique of your message but when

> >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a Kind and

> > Wise

> >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests (actually

> >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

> >>

> >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all religions

> >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they still be here?

> >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been

> > associated

> >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another.

> >>

> >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some difficulty!

> >>

> >> RR

> >>

> >> , srinivasa murthy adavi

> >> <smadavi@> wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Dear Members,

> >>>

> >>> A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon

> >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

> >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular mantra(when

> >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on saatwik

> >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or Other Revered

> >> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed mantra is the

> > apt

> >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a proper person

> > at

> >> proper time to another right individual such that the native gets

> >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to withstand

> >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him loose his

> >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work spot if we

> >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve himself

> > (if

> >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct us to

> >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised one).

> >>>

> >>> regards

> >>>

> >>> srinivas

> >>>

> >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

> >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

> >>>

> >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick remedy

> >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

> >>>

> >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars,

> > rahu/ketu

> >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi suggest

> >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the native

> > is

> >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then

> >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

> >>>

> >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must also be

> >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be remedied

> >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which dasha

> >> bhukti etc)...

> >>>

> >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) require

> >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the people

> >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and if does

> >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for the

> >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya naman

> > (

> >> and can not be performed under certain circumstances), offering

> > water

> >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not think,

> > the

> >> standard prescription to any native, is going to help without

> >> adhering to rituals.

> >>>

> >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if the

> >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more?

> >>>

> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>

> >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

> > star

> >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

> >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

> >>>>

> >>>> Re: remedies

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear members,

> >>>>

> >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya

> >> mandir, a

> >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us students

> > a

> >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without

> > knowledge,

> >> its

> >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this statement

> >>>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news

> >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also

> > it

> >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests so

> >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for

> >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of

> >> Lakshmi,

> >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one,

> > but

> >> the

> >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or

> >> rajas.

> >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times

> > stones

> >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured rays

> >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified state),also

> >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly.

> >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for

> >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone at

> >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which

> > would

> >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra

> > native.Will

> >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience from

> >> the

> >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras,

> >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient

> >> times

> >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra in

> >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same mantra wrongly,

> >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the power

> > to

> >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about us

> >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point

> > is,

> >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies.

> >>>>

> >>>> regards,

> >>>> Bhaskar.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> , Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> >>>> wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dear Members

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not

> > misread

> >> me.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a

> > chart

> >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience).

> >> Native

> >>>> might have already been performing some remedy (may be

> > alternative

> >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly

> > (for

> >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu /

> > ketu;

> >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as remedy

> >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of

> > remedies,

> >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc.

> >> Should

> >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically -

> >>>>>

> >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction

> >> related

> >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary

> >> ages

> >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully

> > done

> >> or

> >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting

> >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras.

> >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with

> >> native's

> >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of

> >> rituals

> >>>> for effective rituals.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is

> >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by

> > fellow

> >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and

> >> to a

> >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting into

> >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

> >> star

> >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

> >>>>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Gaurav ji

 

BTW, I liked your analogy on manglik dosha (infact, I posted my comment on your blog too).

 

What are your experiences on remedial measures?

 

Re tantra in Jainism / Buddhism - these are not black magic, and monks are systematically trained in it. I fail to understand the necessity of tantra - when both religion do not believe in the existence of God. Nirvana is the ultimate aim of the soul and both relies only on karmic phals of self for self. (even both do not prescribe any ritual for pitras etc).

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

 

 

>

> gg_0202 (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:36:58 -0000

>

> Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra

>

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Dear Prafulla,

> If u read Atharva Veda, you will find the "seeds" of Tantra, black

> magic are sown in that Veda.....coz there are Vedic Mantras related

> in that Veda, both for good & evil purpose.

> Wut i think is that, the tantra cult grew, from when people started

> ignoring Bengal. As about tantra, it is a stated,"Goure prakaashita

> vidya"...meaning that the Knowledge(Vidya, here meaning Tantra)

> appeared in Gour(A district in Bengal,has much of religious &

> historical importance, rather it was today's kolkata).

> Even upapuranas, like kalikapurana, has some details, which are

> meant for Tantrik Purposes..

> Wish u all success,

> With Humbleness,

>

>

>

>

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar wrote:

>>

>> Prafulla,

>> I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r offshoots

> of vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil design

> or black magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine.

>>

>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote: Dear Shri

> Kumar ji

>>

>> I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped in

> popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch the rise

> of tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have very

> intense reference to tantras and their monks are trained in tantras

> (do not mix with black magic), as part of their curriculum.

>>

>> Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we

> star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>>

>> >

>> > gbp_kumar

>> > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT)

>> >

>> > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/27 -2

>> >

>> > Prafulla,

>> > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not bbeong

> done or

>> > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or child

> or huam so

>> > the rest of the points don't count. there was excessive balis

> then

>> > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if there was

> no rain or

>> > some for monetry reasons.

>> >

>> >

>> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>> > Dear Ranjan ji

>> >

>> > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of Jainism,

> Budhism,

>> > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific religion,

> then why

>> > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting

> something which is

>> > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, religion etc).

>> >

>> > regards / Prafulla Gang

>> >

>> > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and

> we star in

>> > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>> >

>> > >

>> > > jyotish_vani

>> > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000

>> > >

>> > > Re: remedies [communication...]

>> > >

>> > > Dear Srinivas,

>> > >

>> > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with more

> food for

>> > > thought.

>> > >

>> > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry dear

> tolerant

>> > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-religious/non-

> ritual type

>> > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to notice

> the strength

>> > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive mother to

> do her

>> > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father scientist

> manager

>> > > father always being interested in intellectual scriptures

> such as

>> > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively tuning

> into that

>> > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core scientist and

> one of the

>> > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, europe

> trained and all

>> > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall next to

> his bed for

>> > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and Ramakrishna in

> the next

>> > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man always

> pooh-poohed

>> > > my interest in astrology and occult but never really

> stopped me

>> > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful at a few

> things in

>> > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was a

> moment when I

>> > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology miscellany

> quizzes in

>> > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed it to

> him. He

>> > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! One of

> his favourite

>> > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success!

>> > >

>> > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately most

> of us do not

>> > > come to terms with that.

>> > >

>> > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant.

>> > >

>> > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has much

> more power

>> > > than religion or religiousness because it is FLEXIBLE, it

> respects

>> > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through each

> and every

>> > > activity that we associate with life!

>> > >

>> > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the fullest

> expression of

>> > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully enjoying

> those, never

>> > > forgetting WHO we truly are!

>> > >

>> > > RR

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > , srinivasa murthy

> adavi

>> > > <smadavi@> wrote:

>> > >>

>> > >> Dear Sir

>> > >> A few more words-

>> > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever

> cosmological

>> > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God reveals

> himself in

>> > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom

>> > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva

> along with

>> > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and others

> like Shirdi

>> > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet

> Mohammed etc all

>> > > are his manifestations with varying methods for bringing

> in the

>> > > cosmological harmony.

>> > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by

> selfish

>> > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false

> sympathy and

>> > > despicable justification of their desires(more personal or

> for a

>> > > choosen few , rather than for universal good).

>> > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people

> (some) are

>> > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are

> not

>> > bothering

>> > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question

> is the

>> > > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and

> freedom of

>> > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8

> women and gave

>> > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth was

> never

>> > > supressed and it was told telling the world the importance

> of

>> > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of TheDivine

> even

>> > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as truth

> that jesus was

>> > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in the

> name of

>> > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the truth.Some

> day we

>> > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on which

> we're

>> > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish desires these

>> > > individuals are resorting to undermining of religious

> tenets.We'll

>> > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without

> warning.So please

>> > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of expression

> media

>> > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous

> boundaries.

>> > >>

>> > >> regards

>> > >>

>> > >> srinivas

>> > >>

>> > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

>> > >> Sri,

>> > >>

>> > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your message but

> when

>> > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a

> Kind and

>> > > Wise

>> > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests

> (actually

>> > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!)

>> > >>

>> > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all

> religions

>> > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they

> still be here?

>> > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been

>> > > associated

>> > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another.

>> > >>

>> > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some

> difficulty!

>> > >>

>> > >> RR

>> > >>

>> > >> , srinivasa murthy

> adavi

>> > >> <smadavi@> wrote:

>> > >>>

>> > >>> Dear Members,

>> > >>>

>> > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon

>> > >> recieved by me from a kind soul-

>> > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular

> mantra(when

>> > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on

> saatwik

>> > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or

> Other Revered

>> > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed

> mantra is the

>> > > apt

>> > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a

> proper person

>> > > at

>> > >> proper time to another right individual such that the

> native gets

>> > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to

> withstand

>> > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him

> loose his

>> > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work

> spot if we

>> > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve

> himself

>> > > (if

>> > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct

> us to

>> > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised

> one).

>> > >>>

>> > >>> regards

>> > >>>

>> > >>> srinivas

>> > >>>

>> > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:

>> > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji

>> > >>>

>> > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick

> remedy

>> > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too.

>> > >>>

>> > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars,

>> > > rahu/ketu

>> > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi

> suggest

>> > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if

> the native

>> > > is

>> > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja;

> then

>> > >> astrologer starts putting tough words...

>> > >>>

>> > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must

> also be

>> > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can

> be remedied

>> > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which

> dasha

>> > >> bhukti etc)...

>> > >>>

>> > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers)

> require

>> > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the

> people

>> > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well.

> and if does

>> > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse

> for the

>> > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of

> surya naman

>> > > (

>> > >> and can not be performed under certain circumstances),

> offering

>> > > water

>> > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not

> think,

>> > > the

>> > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to help

> without

>> > >> adhering to rituals.

>> > >>>

>> > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know,

> if the

>> > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more?

>> > >>>

>> > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>> > >>>

>> > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it,

> and we

>> > > star

>> > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>> > >>>

>> > >>>>

>> > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@

>> > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000

>> > >>>>

>> > >>>> Re: remedies

>> > >>>>

>> > >>>> Dear members,

>> > >>>>

>> > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya

> Vidya

>> > >> mandir, a

>> > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us

> students

>> > > a

>> > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without

>> > > knowledge,

>> > >> its

>> > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this

> statement

>> > >>>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or

> news

>> > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is

> suggested. Also

>> > > it

>> > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he

> suggests so

>> > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For

> eg.for

>> > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja

> of

>> > >> Lakshmi,

>> > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may

> be one,

>> > > but

>> > >> the

>> > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa,

> tamas or

>> > >> rajas.

>> > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at

> times

>> > > stones

>> > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine

> couloured rays

>> > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified

> state),also

>> > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly.

>> > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord,

> some for

>> > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the

> stone at

>> > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also

> which

>> > > would

>> > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra

>> > > native.Will

>> > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only

> experience from

>> > >> the

>> > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of

> mantras,

>> > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of

> ancient

>> > >> times

>> > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite the

> mantra in

>> > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same mantra

> wrongly,

>> > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had

> the power

>> > > to

>> > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what

> about us

>> > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but

> the point

>> > > is,

>> > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies.

>> > >>>>

>> > >>>> regards,

>> > >>>> Bhaskar.

>> > >>>>

>> > >>>>

>> > >>>>

>> > >>>> , Prafulla Gang

>> > > <jyotish@>

>> > >>>> wrote:

>> > >>>>>

>> > >>>>> Dear Members

>> > >>>>>

>> > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do

> not

>> > > misread

>> > >> me.

>> > >>>>>

>> > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc

> in a

>> > > chart

>> > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his

> experience).

>> > >> Native

>> > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy (may be

>> > > alternative

>> > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or

> unknowlingly

>> > > (for

>> > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for

> rahu /

>> > > ketu;

>> > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it

> as remedy

>> > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of

>> > > remedies,

>> > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily routine

> etc.

>> > >> Should

>> > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically -

>> > >>>>>

>> > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse /

> affliction

>> > >> related

>> > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required?

>> > >>>>>

>> > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective

> planetary

>> > >> ages

>> > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be

> fully

>> > > done

>> > >> or

>> > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like.

>> > >>>>>

>> > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of

> suggesting

>> > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around

> mantras.

>> > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line

> with

>> > >> native's

>> > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve

> lots of

>> > >> rituals

>> > >>>> for effective rituals.

>> > >>>>>

>> > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its

> need is

>> > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually

> by

>> > > fellow

>> > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list

> astrologers) and

>> > >> to a

>> > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting into

>> > >>>> unnecessary "vaham".

>> > >>>>>

>> > >>>>>

>> > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>> > >>>>>

>> > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce

> it, and we

>> > >> star

>> > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!!

>> > >>>>>

>> > >>>

>> > >>>

>> > >>>

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