Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear Srinivas, Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with more food for thought. As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry dear tolerant forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-religious/non-ritual type family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to notice the strength of conviction of my rather meek and submissive mother to do her tuesday fast while my my very rational father scientist manager father always being interested in intellectual scriptures such as those written by Vivekananda and very intensively tuning into that illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core scientist and one of the fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, europe trained and all that had four plaster of paris images on the wall next to his bed for decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and Ramakrishna in the next layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man always pooh-poohed my interest in astrology and occult but never really stopped me either. I have been fortunate in being successful at a few things in life which he would have wanted me to be. There was a moment when I had corrected figured out one of the Astrology miscellany quizzes in Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed it to him. He beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! One of his favourite quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately most of us do not come to terms with that. This may strike some readers as being irrelevant. What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has much more power than religion or religiousness because it is FLEXIBLE, it respects emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through each and every activity that we associate with life! Krishna embodies and represents all that is the fullest expression of human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully enjoying those, never forgetting WHO we truly are! RR , srinivasa murthy adavi <smadavi wrote: > > Dear Sir > A few more words- > As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever cosmological imbalances occur in order to set right them God reveals himself in Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva along with respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and others like Shirdi Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet Mohammed etc all are his manifestations with varying methods for bringing in the cosmological harmony. > Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by selfish individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false sympathy and despicable justification of their desires(more personal or for a choosen few , rather than for universal good). > For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people(some) are arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are not bothering (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question is the falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and freedom of expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8 women and gave succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth was never supressed and it was told telling the world the importance of adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of TheDivine even overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as truth that jesus was a celibate then why should people take liberty (in the name of harmless creative expression) to falsify the truth.Some day we realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on which we're sitting.In order to justify their own selfish desires these individuals are resorting to undermining of religious tenets.We'll face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without warning.So please > fight these forces. In the name of freedom of expression media (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous boundaries. > > regards > > srinivas > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Sri, > > Please do not take this as a critique of your message but when > reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a Kind and Wise > SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests (actually > HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > > On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all religions > of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they still be here? > Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been associated > with and used to tarnish one religion or another. > > Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some difficulty! > > RR > > , srinivasa murthy adavi > <smadavi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon > recieved by me from a kind soul- > > When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular mantra(when > wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on saatwik > mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or Other Revered > souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed mantra is the apt > one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a proper person at > proper time to another right individual such that the native gets > relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to withstand > the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him loose his > moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work spot if we > approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve himself (if > he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct us to > competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised one). > > > > regards > > > > srinivas > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick remedy > prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > > > > The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars, rahu/ketu > and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi suggest > krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the native is > displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then > astrologer starts putting tough words... > > > > I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must also be > indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be remedied > or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which dasha > bhukti etc)... > > > > remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) require > understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the people > suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and if does > not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for the > astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya naman ( > and can not be performed under certain circumstances), offering water > to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not think, the > standard prescription to any native, is going to help without > adhering to rituals. > > > > I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if the > remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more? > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star > in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > > > > > Re: remedies > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya > mandir, a > > > very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us students a > > > clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without knowledge, > its > > > very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this statement > > > when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news > > > of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also it > > > puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests so > > > without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for > > > remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of > Lakshmi, > > > another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one, but > the > > > manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or > rajas. > > > Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times stones > > > which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured rays > > > of which we are all made of (in this case solidified state),also > > > can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly. > > > Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for > > > antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone at > > > times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which would > > > follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra native.Will > > > diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience from > the > > > native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras, > > > I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient > times > > > used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra in > > > the right manner and another to recite the same mantra wrongly, > > > just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the power to > > > mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about us > > > mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point is, > > > Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Members > > >> > > >> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not misread > me. > > >> > > >> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a chart > > > and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience). > Native > > > might have already been performing some remedy (may be alternative > > > one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly (for > > > example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / ketu; > > > feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as remedy > > > etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of remedies, > > > without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc. > Should > > > remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - > > >> > > >> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction > related > > > remedy is already done and no more required? > > >> > > >> does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary > ages > > > etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully done > or > > > say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. > > >> > > >> without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting > > > remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras. > > > Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with > native's > > > religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of > rituals > > > for effective rituals. > > >> > > >> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is > > > highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by fellow > > > astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and > to a > > > large extent, natives are responsible for getting into > > > unnecessary "vaham". > > >> > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >> > > >> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > star > > > in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Prafulla, Not 'impurity'! But inadequacy to comprehensively explain and embrace all *human experience* There have been voices that have recommended using 'conviction' based deities to worship and religion neutral activities such as personal penance - fasting and volunteer service etc. All religions would endorse such activities as part of their framework! Caveat emptor (buyer beware) is not a modern statement! Or unknown either!! Any and all commercial services are to note! RR , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of Jainism, Budhism, Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific religion, then why religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting something which is easy to follow for any person (cross territory, religion etc). > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > > jyotish_vani > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > > > > Dear Srinivas, > > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with more food for > > thought. > > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry dear tolerant > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-religious/non-ritual type > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to notice the strength > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive mother to do her > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father scientist manager > > father always being interested in intellectual scriptures such as > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively tuning into that > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core scientist and one of the > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, europe trained and all > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall next to his bed for > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and Ramakrishna in the next > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man always pooh- poohed > > my interest in astrology and occult but never really stopped me > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful at a few things in > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was a moment when I > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology miscellany quizzes in > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed it to him. He > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! One of his favourite > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > > > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately most of us do not > > come to terms with that. > > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant. > > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has much more power > > than religion or religiousness because it is FLEXIBLE, it respects > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through each and every > > activity that we associate with life! > > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the fullest expression of > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully enjoying those, never > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , srinivasa murthy adavi > > <smadavi@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Sir > >> A few more words- > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever cosmological > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God reveals himself in > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva along with > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and others like Shirdi > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet Mohammed etc all > > are his manifestations with varying methods for bringing in the > > cosmological harmony. > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by selfish > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false sympathy and > > despicable justification of their desires(more personal or for a > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people(some) are > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are not bothering > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question is the > > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and freedom of > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8 women and gave > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth was never > > supressed and it was told telling the world the importance of > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of TheDivine even > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as truth that jesus was > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in the name of > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the truth.Some day we > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on which we're > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish desires these > > individuals are resorting to undermining of religious tenets.We'll > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without warning.So please > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of expression media > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous boundaries. > >> > >> regards > >> > >> srinivas > >> > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > >> Sri, > >> > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your message but when > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a Kind and > > Wise > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests (actually > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > >> > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all religions > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they still be here? > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been > > associated > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another. > >> > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some difficulty! > >> > >> RR > >> > >> , srinivasa murthy adavi > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Members, > >>> > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular mantra(when > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on saatwik > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or Other Revered > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed mantra is the > > apt > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a proper person > > at > >> proper time to another right individual such that the native gets > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to withstand > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him loose his > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work spot if we > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve himself > > (if > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct us to > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised one). > >>> > >>> regards > >>> > >>> srinivas > >>> > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > >>> > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick remedy > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > >>> > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars, > > rahu/ketu > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi suggest > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the native > > is > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > >>> > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must also be > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be remedied > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which dasha > >> bhukti etc)... > >>> > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) require > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the people > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and if does > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for the > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya naman > > ( > >> and can not be performed under certain circumstances), offering > > water > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not think, > > the > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to help without > >> adhering to rituals. > >>> > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if the > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more? > >>> > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>> > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > > star > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>> > >>>> > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > >>>> > >>>> Re: remedies > >>>> > >>>> Dear members, > >>>> > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya > >> mandir, a > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us students > > a > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without > > knowledge, > >> its > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this statement > >>>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also > > it > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests so > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of > >> Lakshmi, > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one, > > but > >> the > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or > >> rajas. > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times > > stones > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured rays > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified state),also > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly. > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone at > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which > > would > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra > > native.Will > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience from > >> the > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras, > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient > >> times > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra in > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same mantra wrongly, > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the power > > to > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about us > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point > > is, > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies. > >>>> > >>>> regards, > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Members > >>>>> > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not > > misread > >> me. > >>>>> > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a > > chart > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience). > >> Native > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy (may be > > alternative > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly > > (for > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / > > ketu; > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as remedy > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of > > remedies, > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc. > >> Should > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - > >>>>> > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction > >> related > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > >>>>> > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary > >> ages > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully > > done > >> or > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. > >>>>> > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras. > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with > >> native's > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of > >> rituals > >>>> for effective rituals. > >>>>> > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by > > fellow > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and > >> to a > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting into > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>> > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > >> star > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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