Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear Friends, Jupiter in 6th,means native will have access to Gods mercy if he does remedies? (But all dont have Jupiter in 6th therefore, Will have to search for more references like these). In Nadi., normally the remedy is prescribed in a definite manner, so n so pooja to be done in so n so temple to rectify so n so sin committed in previous birth. (But cant go to nadi fellows with each n every horoscope recd.searching for clues) Lal Kitab has also mentioned to continue doing the remedies for at least 45 days. But let me not go deep in this issue. I normally prescribe among others mainly,the remedy written in Brihat Parashar Hora Sastra,where in at end of every chapter on effects of antar Dasha under any Mahadasha, remedy (in form of pooja or path or daan ),to reduce the evil effects of every Antar has been mentioned . For ex. for Jup-Rahu it is mentioned to do Mritunjaya Japa, or for Mer-Venus, mantras of Goddess Durga etc. . That way the Onus is on Shri Parashar Maharaj and no karma putting on own self if wrong remedial measures suggested by mistake. As rightly mentioned by kind gentleman this is a complex matter and to know our account we have to go to our own Vasnamaya kosh (among Saptkosh) the storehouse of sum total of 84lakhs births corresponding with the small bones(?)in spinal chord. Also the term used Aakashic records has been aptly used. 5 Volumes have been written (The laws of the Spirit World)by sons of a Parsi couple who died in a accident few decades ago (through their mother -and automatic writing) wherein they have mentioned that to get access of Akashic records even of Your own self is not easy. Permission is to be taken from the higher souls managing the realms up etc. Since moving off track, shall close, but wanted to say that though these boys (now spirits) were Parsis, but after going up they have written through their mother ,the power of Gayatri Mantra (which confirms our own belief and also gives impetus)and also certain effects of Amavasya and Purnima etc. Apart from Shri Prafullji, I dont find anyone else interacting with me. This pains me.If I am not able to contribute,then please say so. I shall leave. Regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear Bhaskar ji The list is quiet for past few days and I hope, it comes back to normalcy. So please do not think that, no one is communicating with you. Remedial measures are trickiest part of predictive astrology, especially - when astrologer does not know even, if the remedy is required or not; or say if remedy will work or not. We often say, that if this is remedied, the next dasha will be good or bad etc....why can not we be sure that the dasha will be like this and native will or will not be able to perform dosha pariharya. regards / Prafulla Gang Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:08:15 -0000 > > REMEDIES > > Dear Friends, > > Jupiter in 6th,means native will have access to Gods mercy > if he does remedies? (But all dont have Jupiter in 6th therefore, > Will have to search for more references like these). > In Nadi., normally the remedy is prescribed in a > definite manner, so n so pooja to be done in so n so temple > to rectify so n so sin committed in previous birth. (But cant go to > nadi fellows with each n every horoscope recd.searching for clues) > Lal Kitab has also mentioned to continue doing the remedies > for at least 45 days. But let me not go deep in this issue. I > normally prescribe among others mainly,the remedy > written in Brihat Parashar Hora Sastra,where in at end of every > chapter on effects of antar Dasha under any Mahadasha, > remedy (in form of pooja or path or daan ),to > reduce the evil effects of every Antar has been mentioned . > For ex. for Jup-Rahu it is mentioned to do Mritunjaya Japa, > or for Mer-Venus, mantras of Goddess Durga etc. . > That way the Onus is on Shri Parashar Maharaj and no karma > putting on own self if wrong remedial measures suggested by mistake. > As rightly mentioned by kind gentleman this is a complex matter > and to know our account we have to go to our own Vasnamaya kosh > (among Saptkosh) the storehouse of sum total of 84lakhs births > corresponding with the small bones(?)in spinal chord. Also the > term used Aakashic records has been aptly used. 5 Volumes have been > written (The laws of the Spirit World)by sons of a Parsi couple who > died in a accident few decades ago (through their mother -and > automatic writing) wherein they have mentioned that to get access of > Akashic records even of Your own self is not easy. Permission is to > be taken from the higher souls managing the realms up etc. > Since moving off track, shall close, but wanted to say that though > these boys (now spirits) were Parsis, but after going up they have > written through their mother ,the power of Gayatri Mantra (which > confirms our own belief and also gives impetus)and also certain > effects of Amavasya and Purnima etc. > > Apart from Shri Prafullji, I dont find anyone else interacting with > me. This pains me.If I am not able to contribute,then please say so. > I shall leave. > > Regards, > Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear Prafulla, You ask such difficult questions and make one recall painful, and difficult memories :-) When I went to school (seems like hundreds of years ago) in our biology classes we had to dissect frogs and earthworms and cockroaches and look at preserved specimens in jars of nearly the rest of the animal kingdoms and specimens from the plant kingdom. While I never kicked up a fuss or set animans free I often wondered why I had less difficulty personally in cutting and examining and 'testing' plant specimens but had some misgivings about the animal experiments. Mind you, I was never tuned into botany and actually hated it! Zoology was my love. I was never an outdoors type person or sensitive to the plant kingdom and issues, etc. As I grow older and more sensitive to plant and tree issues and the environment in general, and Celestine Prophesy by James Redfield was really an eye-opener I have become more sensitive to the energy that the plant kingdom provides, whether we conciously tune into it or not! My personal life-experiences have highlighted one thing, in many ways and in many different aspects and sectors in the human experience. Always leave a window or door partly open. You will thank yourself for that slight carelessness someday. But if you do not leave it open, you will never know in this lifetime and that only means that the mortgage on this earthly human experience will have to be extended! And that can only be BAD!! RR , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Sir > > > I have a confusion? Who decides the right or wrong? and How it is labelled that this action invokes wrong karma or right karma? and More importantly, god is not bothered. He / she has left the things to karmic balances. > > Let me give an example - Killing an animal is bad karma (as I am tought); Lord Rama went for hunting to get the deer; was that not a bad karma? > > An astrologer is adequately trained to comprehend karmic trends (including past life curses, blessings etc) for a native. If yes, then he must read and predict; else not. As very often he will indicate a bad event for the chart; which has already been remedied in some form or other... > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > > smadavi > > Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:50:47 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: Re: remedies > > > > Dear Sir > > A few more words- > > As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever cosmological imbalances > > occur in order to set right them God reveals himself in Jeevatma form (84 > > lakh types).So rightfrom Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity (Brahma,Vishnu and > > Shiva along with respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and > > others like Shirdi Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet > > Mohammed etc all are his manifestations with varying methods for > > bringing in the cosmological harmony. > > Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by selfish individuals > > keeping the religious mask to gain false sympathy and despicable > > justification of their desires(more personal or for a choosen few , > > rather than for universal good). > > For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people(some) are arguing > > thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are not > > bothering(protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question is the > > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and freedom of > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8 women and gave > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth was never > > supressed and it was told telling the world the importance of adherence > > to truth,which is the ultimate form of TheDivine even overriding the > > belief.So,when it was believed as truth that jesus was a celibate then > > why should people take liberty (in the name of harmless creative > > expression) to falsify the truth.Some day we realise by such bashing > > we're cutting the branch on which we're sitting.In order to justify their > > own selfish desires these individuals are resorting to undermining of > > religious tenets.We'll face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > > without warning.So please > > fight these forces. In the name of freedom of expression media (i'm > > talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous boundaries. > > > > regards > > > > srinivas > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Sri, > > > > Please do not take this as a critique of your message but when > > reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a Kind and Wise > > SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests (actually > > HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > > > > On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all religions > > of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they still be here? > > Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been associated > > with and used to tarnish one religion or another. > > > > Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some difficulty! > > > > RR > > > > , srinivasa murthy adavi > > <smadavi@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Members, > >> > >> A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon > > recieved by me from a kind soul- > >> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular mantra(when > > wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on saatwik > > mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or Other Revered > > souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed mantra is the apt > > one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a proper person at > > proper time to another right individual such that the native gets > > relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to withstand > > the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him loose his > > moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work spot if we > > approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve himself (if > > he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct us to > > competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised one). > >> > >> regards > >> > >> srinivas > >> > >> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >> Dear Bhaskar ji > >> > >> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick remedy > > prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > >> > >> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars, rahu/ketu > > and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi suggest > > krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the native is > > displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then > > astrologer starts putting tough words... > >> > >> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must also be > > indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be remedied > > or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which dasha > > bhukti etc)... > >> > >> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) require > > understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the people > > suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and if does > > not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for the > > astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya naman ( > > and can not be performed under certain circumstances), offering water > > to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not think, the > > standard prescription to any native, is going to help without > > adhering to rituals. > >> > >> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if the > > remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more? > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star > > in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >> > >>> > >>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > >>> > >>> Re: remedies > >>> > >>> Dear members, > >>> > >>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya > > mandir, a > >>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us students a > >>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without knowledge, > > its > >>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this statement > >>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news > >>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also it > >>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests so > >>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for > >>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of > > Lakshmi, > >>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one, but > > the > >>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or > > rajas. > >>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times stones > >>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured rays > >>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified state),also > >>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly. > >>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for > >>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone at > >>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which would > >>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra native.Will > >>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience from > > the > >>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras, > >>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient > > times > >>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra in > >>> the right manner and another to recite the same mantra wrongly, > >>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the power to > >>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about us > >>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point is, > >>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies. > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Members > >>>> > >>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not misread > > me. > >>>> > >>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a chart > >>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience). > > Native > >>> might have already been performing some remedy (may be alternative > >>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly (for > >>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / ketu; > >>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as remedy > >>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of remedies, > >>> without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc. > > Should > >>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - > >>>> > >>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction > > related > >>> remedy is already done and no more required? > >>>> > >>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary > > ages > >>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully done > > or > >>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. > >>>> > >>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting > >>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras. > >>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with > > native's > >>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of > > rituals > >>> for effective rituals. > >>>> > >>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is > >>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by fellow > >>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and > > to a > >>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting into > >>> unnecessary "vaham". > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>> > >>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > > star > >>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear Ranjan ji Yes, at some stage of social evolution - there will be reasonable regulatory framework for astrologers. In a way, if a astrologer predicts / suggests remedial measure - must be held responsible for his professional advise. regards / Prafulla Gang Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:42:31 -0000 > > Re: REMEDIES [thread-grows] > > Dear Prafulla, > > Historically -- even twenty thirty years ago, medical doctors had a lot > more power and less accountability. They did not feel it was expected > of them to explain and disclose. So they continued to act as God and > then the eighth house kicked in! There were lawsuits challenging their > superiority and they had to become more accountable and get closer to > earth! Most of them, anyway. There were more regulations and > constraints and accountabilities. Part of the reason why there is a > shortage of doctors in many developed countries. There are easier > professions! > > Once astrological business gets to that lucrative level, the world- > order will kick in and accountability would need to be established. > > As it stands now, the time is still far. But perhaps it is time to get > the astrological act together! > > RR > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: > <sic> >> Remedial measures are trickiest part of predictive astrology, > especially - when astrologer does not know even, if the remedy is > required or not; or say if remedy will work or not. We often say, that > if this is remedied, the next dasha will be good or bad etc....why can > not we be sure that the dasha will be like this and native will or will > not be able to perform dosha pariharya. > <sic> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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