Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Dear Members I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not misread me. Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a chart and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience). Native might have already been performing some remedy (may be alternative one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly (for example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / ketu; feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as remedy etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of remedies, without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc.. Should remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction related remedy is already done and no more required? does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary ages etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully done or say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras. Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with native's religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of rituals for effective rituals. In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by fellow astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and to a large extent, natives are responsible for getting into unnecessary "vaham". regards / Prafulla Gang Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Dear members, Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya mandir, a very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us students a clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without knowledge, its very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this statement when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also it puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests so without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of Lakshmi, another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one, but the manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or rajas. Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times stones which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured rays of which we are all made of (in this case solidified state),also can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly. Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone at times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which would follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra native.Will diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience from the native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras, I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient times used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra in the right manner and another to recite the same mantra wrongly, just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the power to mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about us mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point is, Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies. regards, Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Members > > I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not misread me. > > Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a chart and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience). Native might have already been performing some remedy (may be alternative one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly (for example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / ketu; feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as remedy etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of remedies, without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc. Should remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - > > how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction related remedy is already done and no more required? > > does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary ages etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully done or say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. > > without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras. Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with native's religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of rituals for effective rituals. > > In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by fellow astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and to a large extent, natives are responsible for getting into unnecessary "vaham". > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear Bhaskar ji Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick remedy prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars, rahu/ketu and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi suggest krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the native is displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then astrologer starts putting tough words... I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must also be indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be remedied or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which dasha bhukti etc)... remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) require understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the people suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and if does not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for the astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya naman ( and can not be performed under certain circumstances), offering water to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not think, the standard prescription to any native, is going to help without adhering to rituals. I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if the remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more? regards / Prafulla Gang Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > Re: remedies > > Dear members, > > Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya mandir, a > very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us students a > clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without knowledge, its > very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this statement > when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news > of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also it > puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests so > without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for > remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of Lakshmi, > another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one, but the > manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or rajas. > Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times stones > which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured rays > of which we are all made of (in this case solidified state),also > can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly. > Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for > antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone at > times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which would > follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra native.Will > diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience from the > native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras, > I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient times > used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra in > the right manner and another to recite the same mantra wrongly, > just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the power to > mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about us > mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point is, > Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Members >> >> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not misread me. >> >> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a chart > and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience). Native > might have already been performing some remedy (may be alternative > one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly (for > example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / ketu; > feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as remedy > etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of remedies, > without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc. Should > remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - >> >> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction related > remedy is already done and no more required? >> >> does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary ages > etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully done or > say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. >> >> without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting > remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras. > Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with native's > religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of rituals > for effective rituals. >> >> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is > highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by fellow > astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and to a > large extent, natives are responsible for getting into > unnecessary "vaham". >> >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star > in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear Members, A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon recieved by me from a kind soul- When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular mantra(when wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on saatwik mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or Other Revered souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed mantra is the apt one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a proper person at proper time to another right individual such that the native gets relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to withstand the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him loose his moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work spot if we approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve himself (if he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct us to competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised one). regards srinivas Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Bhaskar ji Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick remedy prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars, rahu/ketu and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi suggest krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the native is displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then astrologer starts putting tough words... I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must also be indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be remedied or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which dasha bhukti etc)... remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) require understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the people suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and if does not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for the astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya naman ( and can not be performed under certain circumstances), offering water to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not think, the standard prescription to any native, is going to help without adhering to rituals. I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if the remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more? regards / Prafulla Gang Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > Re: remedies > > Dear members, > > Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya mandir, a > very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us students a > clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without knowledge, its > very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this statement > when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news > of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also it > puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests so > without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for > remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of Lakshmi, > another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one, but the > manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or rajas. > Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times stones > which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured rays > of which we are all made of (in this case solidified state),also > can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly. > Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for > antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone at > times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which would > follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra native.Will > diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience from the > native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras, > I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient times > used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra in > the right manner and another to recite the same mantra wrongly, > just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the power to > mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about us > mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point is, > Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Members >> >> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not misread me. >> >> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a chart > and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience). Native > might have already been performing some remedy (may be alternative > one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly (for > example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / ketu; > feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as remedy > etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of remedies, > without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc. Should > remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - >> >> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction related > remedy is already done and no more required? >> >> does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary ages > etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully done or > say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. >> >> without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting > remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras. > Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with native's > religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of rituals > for effective rituals. >> >> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is > highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by fellow > astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and to a > large extent, natives are responsible for getting into > unnecessary "vaham". >> >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star > in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Prafulla, In the past (perhaps is still true), those learning to be psychoanalyst-therapists had to go through an intensive training analysis themselves, extending over years at times. Perhaps the remedial practitioners should go through a similar procedure themselves. I am not saying this in a tongue-in-cheek manner that it may sound like! There are two IMPORTANT (crucial?) aspect to each successful astro- remedy! The jyotishi and jatak must both play their part during the entire remedy process or regimen. There was a time when fewer chemical treatments were available and the doctor religiously followed the patient, frequently to make sure the medication was working and no discomforts were being experienced by the patient. Modern doctors do not always follow the patient that closely or intensively. Modern astrologers even professionals perhaps don't either! At least some individuals who prescribe remedies of the mantrik, tantrik kind (and others too) try hard to follow up on the nativities, meet with variable success. None of us must stop trying to reach out and keep contact, though! As to the 'karma' of the astrologer, a lot has been written, some good, the other bad. Karma is a very complex pudding! It goes across many lifetimes, not just this one -- unless we have access to what for want of better term has been called the AKASHIK RECORD of collective consciousness and collective destiny of Earth -- it shall remain a mystery. Occasional glimpses will happen and must be gratefully acknowledged for ultimately, both jyotishi and jatak, we are beggars and not choosers in certain matters. Kind regards, Ranjan , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick remedy prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > > The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars, rahu/ketu and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi suggest krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the native is displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then astrologer starts putting tough words... > > I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must also be indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be remedied or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which dasha bhukti etc)... > > remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) require understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the people suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and if does not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for the astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya naman ( and can not be performed under certain circumstances), offering water to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not think, the standard prescription to any native, is going to help without adhering to rituals. > > I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if the remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more? > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > > > Re: remedies > > > > Dear members, > > > > Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya mandir, a > > very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us students a > > clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without knowledge, its > > very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this statement > > when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news > > of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also it > > puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests so > > without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for > > remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of Lakshmi, > > another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one, but the > > manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or rajas. > > Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times stones > > which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured rays > > of which we are all made of (in this case solidified state),also > > can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly. > > Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for > > antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone at > > times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which would > > follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra native.Will > > diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience from the > > native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras, > > I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient times > > used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra in > > the right manner and another to recite the same mantra wrongly, > > just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the power to > > mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about us > > mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point is, > > Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Members > >> > >> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not misread me. > >> > >> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a chart > > and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience). Native > > might have already been performing some remedy (may be alternative > > one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly (for > > example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / ketu; > > feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as remedy > > etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of remedies, > > without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc. Should > > remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - > >> > >> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction related > > remedy is already done and no more required? > >> > >> does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary ages > > etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully done or > > say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. > >> > >> without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting > > remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras. > > Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with native's > > religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of rituals > > for effective rituals. > >> > >> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is > > highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by fellow > > astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and to a > > large extent, natives are responsible for getting into > > unnecessary "vaham". > >> > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star > > in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Sri, Please do not take this as a critique of your message but when reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a Kind and Wise SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests (actually HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all religions of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they still be here? Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been associated with and used to tarnish one religion or another. Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some difficulty! RR , srinivasa murthy adavi <smadavi wrote: > > Dear Members, > > A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon recieved by me from a kind soul- > When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular mantra(when wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on saatwik mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or Other Revered souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed mantra is the apt one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a proper person at proper time to another right individual such that the native gets relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to withstand the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him loose his moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work spot if we approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve himself (if he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct us to competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised one). > > regards > > srinivas > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > Dear Bhaskar ji > > Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick remedy prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > > The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars, rahu/ketu and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi suggest krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the native is displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then astrologer starts putting tough words... > > I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must also be indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be remedied or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which dasha bhukti etc)... > > remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) require understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the people suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and if does not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for the astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya naman ( and can not be performed under certain circumstances), offering water to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not think, the standard prescription to any native, is going to help without adhering to rituals. > > I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if the remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more? > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > > > Re: remedies > > > > Dear members, > > > > Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya mandir, a > > very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us students a > > clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without knowledge, its > > very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this statement > > when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news > > of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also it > > puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests so > > without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for > > remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of Lakshmi, > > another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one, but the > > manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or rajas. > > Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times stones > > which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured rays > > of which we are all made of (in this case solidified state),also > > can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly. > > Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for > > antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone at > > times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which would > > follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra native.Will > > diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience from the > > native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras, > > I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient times > > used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra in > > the right manner and another to recite the same mantra wrongly, > > just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the power to > > mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about us > > mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point is, > > Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Members > >> > >> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not misread me. > >> > >> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a chart > > and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience). Native > > might have already been performing some remedy (may be alternative > > one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly (for > > example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / ketu; > > feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as remedy > > etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of remedies, > > without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc. Should > > remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - > >> > >> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction related > > remedy is already done and no more required? > >> > >> does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary ages > > etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully done or > > say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. > >> > >> without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting > > remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras. > > Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with native's > > religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of rituals > > for effective rituals. > >> > >> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is > > highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by fellow > > astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and to a > > large extent, natives are responsible for getting into > > unnecessary "vaham". > >> > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star > > in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear Sir A few more words- As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever cosmological imbalances occur in order to set right them God reveals himself in Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva along with respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and others like Shirdi Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet Mohammed etc all are his manifestations with varying methods for bringing in the cosmological harmony. Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by selfish individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false sympathy and despicable justification of their desires(more personal or for a choosen few , rather than for universal good). For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people(some) are arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are not bothering(protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question is the falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and freedom of expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8 women and gave succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth was never supressed and it was told telling the world the importance of adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of TheDivine even overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as truth that jesus was a celibate then why should people take liberty (in the name of harmless creative expression) to falsify the truth.Some day we realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on which we're sitting.In order to justify their own selfish desires these individuals are resorting to undermining of religious tenets.We'll face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without warning.So please fight these forces. In the name of freedom of expression media (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous boundaries. regards srinivas crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Sri, Please do not take this as a critique of your message but when reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a Kind and Wise SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests (actually HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all religions of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they still be here? Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been associated with and used to tarnish one religion or another. Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some difficulty! RR , srinivasa murthy adavi <smadavi wrote: > > Dear Members, > > A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon recieved by me from a kind soul- > When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular mantra(when wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on saatwik mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or Other Revered souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed mantra is the apt one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a proper person at proper time to another right individual such that the native gets relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to withstand the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him loose his moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work spot if we approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve himself (if he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct us to competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised one). > > regards > > srinivas > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > Dear Bhaskar ji > > Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick remedy prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > > The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars, rahu/ketu and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi suggest krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the native is displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then astrologer starts putting tough words... > > I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must also be indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be remedied or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which dasha bhukti etc)... > > remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) require understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the people suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and if does not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for the astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya naman ( and can not be performed under certain circumstances), offering water to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not think, the standard prescription to any native, is going to help without adhering to rituals. > > I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if the remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more? > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > > > Re: remedies > > > > Dear members, > > > > Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya mandir, a > > very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us students a > > clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without knowledge, its > > very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this statement > > when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news > > of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also it > > puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests so > > without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for > > remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of Lakshmi, > > another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one, but the > > manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or rajas. > > Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times stones > > which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured rays > > of which we are all made of (in this case solidified state),also > > can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly. > > Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for > > antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone at > > times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which would > > follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra native.Will > > diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience from the > > native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras, > > I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient times > > used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra in > > the right manner and another to recite the same mantra wrongly, > > just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the power to > > mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about us > > mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point is, > > Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Members > >> > >> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not misread me. > >> > >> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a chart > > and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience). Native > > might have already been performing some remedy (may be alternative > > one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly (for > > example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / ketu; > > feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as remedy > > etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of remedies, > > without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc. Should > > remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - > >> > >> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction related > > remedy is already done and no more required? > >> > >> does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary ages > > etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully done or > > say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. > >> > >> without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting > > remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras. > > Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with native's > > religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of rituals > > for effective rituals. > >> > >> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is > > highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by fellow > > astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and to a > > large extent, natives are responsible for getting into > > unnecessary "vaham". > >> > >> > >> regards / Prafulla Gang > >> > >> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star > > in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear Sir I have a confusion? Who decides the right or wrong? and How it is labelled that this action invokes wrong karma or right karma? and More importantly, god is not bothered. He / she has left the things to karmic balances. Let me give an example - Killing an animal is bad karma (as I am tought); Lord Rama went for hunting to get the deer; was that not a bad karma? An astrologer is adequately trained to comprehend karmic trends (including past life curses, blessings etc) for a native. If yes, then he must read and predict; else not. As very often he will indicate a bad event for the chart; which has already been remedied in some form or other... regards / Prafulla Gang Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > smadavi > Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:50:47 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: Re: remedies > > Dear Sir > A few more words- > As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever cosmological imbalances > occur in order to set right them God reveals himself in Jeevatma form (84 > lakh types).So rightfrom Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and > Shiva along with respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and > others like Shirdi Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet > Mohammed etc all are his manifestations with varying methods for > bringing in the cosmological harmony. > Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by selfish individuals > keeping the religious mask to gain false sympathy and despicable > justification of their desires(more personal or for a choosen few , > rather than for universal good). > For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people(some) are arguing > thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are not > bothering(protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question is the > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and freedom of > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8 women and gave > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth was never > supressed and it was told telling the world the importance of adherence > to truth,which is the ultimate form of TheDivine even overriding the > belief.So,when it was believed as truth that jesus was a celibate then > why should people take liberty (in the name of harmless creative > expression) to falsify the truth.Some day we realise by such bashing > we're cutting the branch on which we're sitting.In order to justify their > own selfish desires these individuals are resorting to undermining of > religious tenets.We'll face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami > without warning.So please > fight these forces. In the name of freedom of expression media (i'm > talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous boundaries. > > regards > > srinivas > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > Sri, > > Please do not take this as a critique of your message but when > reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a Kind and Wise > SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests (actually > HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > > On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all religions > of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they still be here? > Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been associated > with and used to tarnish one religion or another. > > Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some difficulty! > > RR > > , srinivasa murthy adavi > <smadavi wrote: >> >> Dear Members, >> >> A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon > recieved by me from a kind soul- >> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular mantra(when > wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on saatwik > mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or Other Revered > souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed mantra is the apt > one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a proper person at > proper time to another right individual such that the native gets > relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to withstand > the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him loose his > moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work spot if we > approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve himself (if > he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct us to > competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised one). >> >> regards >> >> srinivas >> >> Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: >> Dear Bhaskar ji >> >> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick remedy > prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. >> >> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars, rahu/ketu > and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi suggest > krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the native is > displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then > astrologer starts putting tough words... >> >> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must also be > indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be remedied > or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which dasha > bhukti etc)... >> >> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) require > understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the people > suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and if does > not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for the > astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya naman ( > and can not be performed under certain circumstances), offering water > to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not think, the > standard prescription to any native, is going to help without > adhering to rituals. >> >> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if the > remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more? >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star > in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >> >>> >>> bhaskar_jyotish >>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 >>> >>> Re: remedies >>> >>> Dear members, >>> >>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya > mandir, a >>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us students a >>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without knowledge, > its >>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this statement >>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news >>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also it >>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests so >>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for >>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of > Lakshmi, >>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one, but > the >>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or > rajas. >>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times stones >>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured rays >>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified state),also >>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly. >>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for >>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone at >>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which would >>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra native.Will >>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience from > the >>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras, >>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient > times >>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra in >>> the right manner and another to recite the same mantra wrongly, >>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the power to >>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about us >>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point is, >>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies. >>> >>> regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Members >>>> >>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not misread > me. >>>> >>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a chart >>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience). > Native >>> might have already been performing some remedy (may be alternative >>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly (for >>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / ketu; >>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as remedy >>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of remedies, >>> without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc. > Should >>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - >>>> >>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction > related >>> remedy is already done and no more required? >>>> >>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary > ages >>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully done > or >>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. >>>> >>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting >>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras. >>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with > native's >>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of > rituals >>> for effective rituals. >>>> >>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is >>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by fellow >>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and > to a >>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting into >>> unnecessary "vaham". >>>> >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>> >>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > star >>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear Ranjan ji At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of Jainism, Budhism, Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific religion, then why religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting something which is easy to follow for any person (cross territory, religion etc). regards / Prafulla Gang Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > > Re: remedies [communication...] > > Dear Srinivas, > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with more food for > thought. > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry dear tolerant > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-religious/non-ritual type > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to notice the strength > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive mother to do her > tuesday fast while my my very rational father scientist manager > father always being interested in intellectual scriptures such as > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively tuning into that > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core scientist and one of the > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, europe trained and all > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall next to his bed for > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and Ramakrishna in the next > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man always pooh-poohed > my interest in astrology and occult but never really stopped me > either. I have been fortunate in being successful at a few things in > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was a moment when I > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology miscellany quizzes in > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed it to him. He > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! One of his favourite > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately most of us do not > come to terms with that. > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant. > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has much more power > than religion or religiousness because it is FLEXIBLE, it respects > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through each and every > activity that we associate with life! > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the fullest expression of > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully enjoying those, never > forgetting WHO we truly are! > > RR > > > > > > > > , srinivasa murthy adavi > <smadavi wrote: >> >> Dear Sir >> A few more words- >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever cosmological > imbalances occur in order to set right them God reveals himself in > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva along with > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and others like Shirdi > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet Mohammed etc all > are his manifestations with varying methods for bringing in the > cosmological harmony. >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by selfish > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false sympathy and > despicable justification of their desires(more personal or for a > choosen few , rather than for universal good). >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people(some) are > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are not bothering > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question is the > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and freedom of > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8 women and gave > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth was never > supressed and it was told telling the world the importance of > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of TheDivine even > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as truth that jesus was > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in the name of > harmless creative expression) to falsify the truth.Some day we > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on which we're > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish desires these > individuals are resorting to undermining of religious tenets.We'll > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without warning.So please >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of expression media > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous boundaries. >> >> regards >> >> srinivas >> >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: >> Sri, >> >> Please do not take this as a critique of your message but when >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a Kind and > Wise >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests (actually >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) >> >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all religions >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they still be here? >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been > associated >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another. >> >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some difficulty! >> >> RR >> >> , srinivasa murthy adavi >> <smadavi@> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Members, >>> >>> A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon >> recieved by me from a kind soul- >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular mantra(when >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on saatwik >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or Other Revered >> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed mantra is the > apt >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a proper person > at >> proper time to another right individual such that the native gets >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to withstand >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him loose his >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work spot if we >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve himself > (if >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct us to >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised one). >>> >>> regards >>> >>> srinivas >>> >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>> Dear Bhaskar ji >>> >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick remedy >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. >>> >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars, > rahu/ketu >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi suggest >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the native > is >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then >> astrologer starts putting tough words... >>> >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must also be >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be remedied >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which dasha >> bhukti etc)... >>> >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) require >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the people >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and if does >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for the >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya naman > ( >> and can not be performed under certain circumstances), offering > water >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not think, > the >> standard prescription to any native, is going to help without >> adhering to rituals. >>> >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if the >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more? >>> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>> >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > star >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>> >>>> >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 >>>> >>>> Re: remedies >>>> >>>> Dear members, >>>> >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya >> mandir, a >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us students > a >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without > knowledge, >> its >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this statement >>>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also > it >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests so >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of >> Lakshmi, >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one, > but >> the >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or >> rajas. >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times > stones >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured rays >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified state),also >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly. >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone at >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which > would >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra > native.Will >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience from >> the >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras, >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient >> times >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra in >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same mantra wrongly, >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the power > to >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about us >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point > is, >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies. >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> Bhaskar. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Members >>>>> >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not > misread >> me. >>>>> >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a > chart >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience). >> Native >>>> might have already been performing some remedy (may be > alternative >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly > (for >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / > ketu; >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as remedy >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of > remedies, >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc. >> Should >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - >>>>> >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction >> related >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? >>>>> >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary >> ages >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully > done >> or >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. >>>>> >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras. >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with >> native's >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of >> rituals >>>> for effective rituals. >>>>> >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by > fellow >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and >> to a >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting into >>>> unnecessary "vaham". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang >>>>> >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we >> star >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear Shri kumar ji I like your analogy that remedial measures give mentl strength to natives. Yes, sankalpa has big issues. I do not know the answers, and am great observer of various remedial measures (on the list as well off the list); and the blanket prescription often worries me. I reserve my comments on the astrologers; but long list of prescription often weakens the native (as if something is heavily wrong) and it is all the more difficult for the native, when the fear is created for the native. There are genuine concerns of astrologers too, for the chart..but it must be handled one by one (by setting the priorities). Charities, donations, self less services, using gem stone etc can still be pursued by natives across religious beliefs, but what about surya namaskar, worshipping hanuman, ganapati etc. Even the identification of ishta devata is somewhat confusing to me from religious pursuits. If the native is religious (not superficially), then he will automatically be guided and helped by the supreme power (if he is destined to be remedied). and If worshipping is such a great remedy, then why did so many great saints have to suffer from dreadly diseases (including great Ramkrishna ParamHansa and many others, which I have oberved in my life). I mean, is it necessary that the curses can be really removed? if yes, how to find, if it is removed? and if cannot be removed, then why remedies? and assuming it works, how to measure them? I am still seeking the answers. This question, I always raise with so many local astrologers, but seldom get the answers. Perhaps, I am not blessed as yet to seek the answer. In my chart, may astrologers often point out the baadha from rahu in 9th aspecting mars. It is sort of curse (per prasna marg) and remedy is to pray sarpa devata. I am borne on maha shiv ratri and when I was small (my parents say that very often, they used to find snakes in my bed -while sleeping in open). Though quite scaring, but they never harmed. As I have grown, have many instances when lord Parsawanath (in Jainism, he is like Vishnu with bheru and mata Padmawati are his principal devi / devata - and do govern the serpent powers) and bheru pooja, have often resulted in sudden blessing from fatalistic events. I ask may people, if the curse in chart still existing, and if yes, then why these favourable experiences. But astrologers are willing to listen..they have read about the curses and standard remedies...and are often dogmatic about it...it is often confusing the mind. then I started observing many natives, their religious pursuits, daily routines etc..and found that many of standard remedies need not be performed, as native is doing them unknowingly from his childhood. So the bigger question arises, is it possible to see, if the remedies genuinely required to be prescribed? or perhaps, it is karma which person got to undergo (experience / suffer etc) and that is it? I am sorry for repetitive contents in past mails, but I am unable to put the precise words to them... regards / Prafulla Gang Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > gbp_kumar > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:40:13 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: remedies 23/7 > > Dear PRafulla, > there are a few areas in ur post so let me see what i can cover leaving > rest to others/ > > Th remedies are vedic astrology's when u visit a vedic astrologer > [Hindu] there are many Christians in US, India too in this line and when > they do suggest it is assuming u are likely to follow it, or rather if u > do u will be able to overcome the reason for which it was suggested. > > NO REMEDY WORKS in blanket terms. > any dharmic religious/spiritual/remedial] if not done with a SANKALPA > that this is being done for this purpose can give u result, it can earn > u good KARMA by feeding cows, birds or any animals or poor people too. > BUT if it as a remedy then the sanlalpa must be invoked and done to > get its benefit. > > MORE OFTEN the benefit are in line with our Karma sheet if we need to > spend some money material to get it is in our karma it will be done it > is to be an act of waste so it has to bee. > > from what I know of such remedies it can give u a stronger mental > framework to handle ur issues an open mind THAT A CLOSE DONE WITH FEARS > THUS u tend to get tot eh solution for which u seek the remedy. > > AGAIN result is proportion to faith, concentration, than a mere > ritualistic activity. > > II hope i am somewhere near the answers...? > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Members > > I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not misread me. > > Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a chart and > prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience). Native might > have already been performing some remedy (may be alternative one, but > towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly (for example - Jain > navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / ketu; feeding dog / cow as > daily routine without thinking it as remedy etc). My questions are > around blanket recommendation of remedies, without knowing te native's > past events / daily routine etc. Should remedies be suggested like this > - Specifically - > > how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction related > remedy is already done and no more required? > > does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary ages etc? > at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully done or say, > planetary ill effects cease to exist like. > > without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting remedies > like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras. Prescription of > mantras are something - must be in line with native's religious beliefs > etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of rituals for effective > rituals. > > In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is highly > sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by fellow astrologers > (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and to a large extent, > natives are responsible for getting into unnecessary "vaham". > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group > but > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > 09840051861 > > > > > > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear Shri Kumar ji I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped in popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch the rise of tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have very intense reference to tantras and their monks are trained in tantras (do not mix with black magic), as part of their curriculum. Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. regards / Prafulla Gang Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > gbp_kumar > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/27 -2 > > Prafulla, > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not bbeong done or > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or child or huam so > the rest of the points don't count. there was excessive balis then > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if there was no rain or > some for monetry reasons. > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Ranjan ji > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of Jainism, Budhism, > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific religion, then why > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting something which is > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, religion etc). > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > > > > Dear Srinivas, > > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with more food for > > thought. > > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry dear tolerant > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-religious/non-ritual type > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to notice the strength > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive mother to do her > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father scientist manager > > father always being interested in intellectual scriptures such as > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively tuning into that > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core scientist and one of the > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, europe trained and all > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall next to his bed for > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and Ramakrishna in the next > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man always pooh-poohed > > my interest in astrology and occult but never really stopped me > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful at a few things in > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was a moment when I > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology miscellany quizzes in > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed it to him. He > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! One of his favourite > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > > > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately most of us do not > > come to terms with that. > > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant. > > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has much more power > > than religion or religiousness because it is FLEXIBLE, it respects > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through each and every > > activity that we associate with life! > > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the fullest expression of > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully enjoying those, never > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , srinivasa murthy adavi > > <smadavi wrote: > >> > >> Dear Sir > >> A few more words- > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever cosmological > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God reveals himself in > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva along with > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and others like Shirdi > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet Mohammed etc all > > are his manifestations with varying methods for bringing in the > > cosmological harmony. > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by selfish > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false sympathy and > > despicable justification of their desires(more personal or for a > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people(some) are > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are not > bothering > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question is the > > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and freedom of > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8 women and gave > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth was never > > supressed and it was told telling the world the importance of > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of TheDivine even > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as truth that jesus was > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in the name of > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the truth.Some day we > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on which we're > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish desires these > > individuals are resorting to undermining of religious tenets.We'll > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without warning.So please > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of expression media > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous boundaries. > >> > >> regards > >> > >> srinivas > >> > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > >> Sri, > >> > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your message but when > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a Kind and > > Wise > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests (actually > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > >> > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all religions > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they still be here? > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been > > associated > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another. > >> > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some difficulty! > >> > >> RR > >> > >> , srinivasa murthy adavi > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Members, > >>> > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular mantra(when > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on saatwik > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or Other Revered > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed mantra is the > > apt > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a proper person > > at > >> proper time to another right individual such that the native gets > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to withstand > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him loose his > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work spot if we > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve himself > > (if > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct us to > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised one). > >>> > >>> regards > >>> > >>> srinivas > >>> > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > >>> > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick remedy > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > >>> > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars, > > rahu/ketu > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi suggest > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the native > > is > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > >>> > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must also be > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be remedied > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which dasha > >> bhukti etc)... > >>> > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) require > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the people > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and if does > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for the > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya naman > > ( > >> and can not be performed under certain circumstances), offering > > water > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not think, > > the > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to help without > >> adhering to rituals. > >>> > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if the > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more? > >>> > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>> > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > > star > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>> > >>>> > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > >>>> > >>>> Re: remedies > >>>> > >>>> Dear members, > >>>> > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya > >> mandir, a > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us students > > a > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without > > knowledge, > >> its > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this statement > >>>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also > > it > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests so > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of > >> Lakshmi, > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one, > > but > >> the > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or > >> rajas. > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times > > stones > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured rays > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified state),also > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly. > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone at > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which > > would > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra > > native.Will > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience from > >> the > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras, > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient > >> times > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra in > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same mantra wrongly, > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the power > > to > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about us > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point > > is, > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies. > >>>> > >>>> regards, > >>>> Bhaskar. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Members > >>>>> > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not > > misread > >> me. > >>>>> > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a > > chart > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience). > >> Native > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy (may be > > alternative > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly > > (for > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / > > ketu; > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as remedy > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of > > remedies, > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc. > >> Should > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - > >>>>> > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction > >> related > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > >>>>> > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary > >> ages > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully > > done > >> or > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. > >>>>> > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras. > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with > >> native's > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of > >> rituals > >>>> for effective rituals. > >>>>> > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need is > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by > > fellow > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) and > >> to a > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting into > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > >>>>> > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > >> star > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear Shri Kumar ji I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for the remedy they suggest (like medical profession). b. Remedial measures help native in building mental strengtht to find realistic solutions c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, if any. d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as possible, must not be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting parashari remedies for dasha etc. They are little more authentic remedies I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the possibility of native adapting to beavioural approach of the planet. For example - in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - suggesting native to be little more hard working, be bit more planned in its approach, making the working environment little organized & luxurious; surrendering to father etc. This may tone down shani for favourable results. or help native in coping up with challenges. regards / Prafulla Gang Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > gbp_kumar > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > Prafulla, > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r offshoots of > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil design or black > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped in > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch the rise of > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have very intense > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in tantras (do not mix > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > gbp_kumar > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > > > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/27 -2 > > > > Prafulla, > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not bbeong done or > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or child or huam > so > > the rest of the points don't count. there was excessive balis then > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if there was no > rain or > > some for monetry reasons. > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of Jainism, Budhism, > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific religion, then why > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting something which > is > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, religion etc). > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star > in > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > > > > jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > > > > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > > > > > > Dear Srinivas, > > > > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with more food for > > > thought. > > > > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry dear tolerant > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather non-religious/non-ritual > type > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to notice the > strength > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive mother to do her > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father scientist manager > > > father always being interested in intellectual scriptures such as > > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively tuning into > that > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core scientist and one of > the > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, europe trained and > all > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall next to his bed > for > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and Ramakrishna in the next > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man always > pooh-poohed > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never really stopped me > > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful at a few things > in > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was a moment when > I > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology miscellany quizzes > in > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed it to him. He > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! One of his > favourite > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > > > > > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately most of us do > not > > > come to terms with that. > > > > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant. > > > > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has much more power > > > than religion or religiousness because it is FLEXIBLE, it > respects > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through each and every > > > activity that we associate with life! > > > > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the fullest > expression of > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully enjoying those, > never > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , srinivasa murthy adavi > > > <smadavi wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Sir > > >> A few more words- > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever cosmological > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God reveals himself > in > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva along with > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and others like > Shirdi > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet Mohammed etc > all > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for bringing in the > > > cosmological harmony. > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by selfish > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false sympathy and > > > despicable justification of their desires(more personal or for a > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The people(some) > are > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are not > > bothering > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question is the > > > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and freedom > of > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8 women and > gave > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth was never > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the importance of > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of TheDivine even > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as truth that jesus > was > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in the name of > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the truth.Some day we > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on which we're > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish desires these > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of religious > tenets.We'll > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without warning.So > please > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of expression media > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous boundaries. > > >> > > >> regards > > >> > > >> srinivas > > >> > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > > >> Sri, > > >> > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your message but when > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a Kind and > > > Wise > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests > (actually > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > > >> > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all > religions > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they still be > here? > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been > > > associated > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another. > > >> > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some > difficulty! > > >> > > >> RR > > >> > > >> , srinivasa murthy adavi > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Dear Members, > > >>> > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular mantra(when > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on saatwik > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or Other > Revered > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed mantra is > the > > > apt > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a proper > person > > > at > > >> proper time to another right individual such that the native > gets > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to > withstand > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him loose > his > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work spot if we > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve himself > > > (if > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct us to > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised one). > > >>> > > >>> regards > > >>> > > >>> srinivas > > >>> > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > > >>> > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick remedy > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > > >>> > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars, > > > rahu/ketu > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi > suggest > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the > native > > > is > > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > > >>> > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must also > be > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be > remedied > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which dasha > > >> bhukti etc)... > > >>> > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) require > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the people > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and if > does > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for the > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya > naman > > > ( > > >> and can not be performed under certain circumstances), offering > > > water > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not think, > > > the > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to help without > > >> adhering to rituals. > > >>> > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if the > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more? > > >>> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>> > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > > > star > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > >>>> > > >>>> Re: remedies > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear members, > > >>>> > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya Vidya > > >> mandir, a > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us > students > > > a > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without > > > knowledge, > > >> its > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this > statement > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or news > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. Also > > > it > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he suggests > so > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of > > >> Lakshmi, > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be one, > > > but > > >> the > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas or > > >> rajas. > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at times > > > stones > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine couloured > rays > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified > state),also > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly. > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some for > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the stone > at > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also which > > > would > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra > > > native.Will > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience > from > > >> the > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of mantras, > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of ancient > > >> times > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite the mantra > in > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same mantra > wrongly, > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the > power > > > to > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what about > us > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the point > > > is, > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies. > > >>>> > > >>>> regards, > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> , Prafulla Gang > > > <jyotish@> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Members > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not > > > misread > > >> me. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in a > > > chart > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his experience). > > >> Native > > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy (may be > > > alternative > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or unknowlingly > > > (for > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu / > > > ketu; > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as > remedy > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of > > > remedies, > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily routine etc. > > >> Should > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / affliction > > >> related > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective planetary > > >> ages > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be fully > > > done > > >> or > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of suggesting > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around mantras. > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line with > > >> native's > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots of > > >> rituals > > >>>> for effective rituals. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its need > is > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by > > > fellow > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list astrologers) > and > > >> to a > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting into > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and > we > > >> star > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > >>>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear Shri Kumar ji I hope, I am not pushing the remedial issue too far. Yes, each religion has some remedy for the planetary attributes, and they can be effectively used for blessings. Jain community follow all hindu rituals (in addition to their own); for Buddhists, I am not really aware of. Jainism is governed by saturn / ketu; and its fasting system is always a materialistic gainful remedy. regards / Prafulla Gang Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > gbp_kumar > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:41:31 -0700 (PDT) > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > Prafulla > i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM between Sep > 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for diff planets > > for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives courage , > relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac diorders. > > Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help for many > remedies. according to the tabulation > > some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on respirotary > disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother religious works for > other religions they must make it know so that it is prescribed, right > now we can go on what is available. > on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them so did not > cover it it is just like u try different medicine systems to get a cure > for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it > > I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too who follow it > thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do try whole heartedly and > they do the animal feeding too as natural as breathing. > > I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know muslims who > consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was a thread in > Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a look in archives. > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > > Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): > > a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for the remedy > they suggest (like medical profession). > > b. Remedial measures help native in building mental strengtht to find > realistic solutions > > c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, if any. > > d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as possible, must not > be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > > e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting parashari > remedies for dasha etc. They are little more authentic remedies > > I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the possibility > of native adapting to beavioural approach of the planet. For example - > in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - suggesting native to be > little more hard working, be bit more planned in its approach, making > the working environment little organized & luxurious; surrendering to > father etc. This may tone down shani for favourable results. or help > native in coping up with challenges. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > gbp_kumar > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > > > Prafulla, > > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r offshoots of > > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil design or > black > > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > > > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped in > > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch the rise > of > > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have very > intense > > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in tantras (do not > mix > > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > > > > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star > in > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > > > > gbp_kumar > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/27 -2 > > > > > > Prafulla, > > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not bbeong > done or > > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or child or > huam > > so > > > the rest of the points don't count. there was excessive balis > then > > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if there was no > > rain or > > > some for monetry reasons. > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > > > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of Jainism, > Budhism, > > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific religion, then > why > > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting something > which > > is > > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, religion etc). > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > star > > in > > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > > > > > > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > > > > > > > > Dear Srinivas, > > > > > > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with more food > for > > > > thought. > > > > > > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry dear > tolerant > > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather > non-religious/non-ritual > > type > > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to notice the > > strength > > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive mother to do > her > > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father scientist > manager > > > > father always being interested in intellectual scriptures > such as > > > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively tuning into > > that > > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core scientist and > one of > > the > > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, europe trained > and > > all > > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall next to his > bed > > for > > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and Ramakrishna in the > next > > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man always > > pooh-poohed > > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never really stopped > me > > > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful at a few > things > > in > > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was a moment > when > > I > > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology miscellany > quizzes > > in > > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed it to him. > He > > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! One of his > > favourite > > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > > > > > > > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately most of > us do > > not > > > > come to terms with that. > > > > > > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant. > > > > > > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has much more > power > > > > than religion or religiousness because it is FLEXIBLE, it > > respects > > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through each and > every > > > > activity that we associate with life! > > > > > > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the fullest > > expression of > > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully enjoying those, > > never > > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , srinivasa murthy > adavi > > > > <smadavi wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Sir > > > >> A few more words- > > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever cosmological > > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God reveals > himself > > in > > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva along > with > > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and others > like > > Shirdi > > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet Mohammed > etc > > all > > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for bringing in > the > > > > cosmological harmony. > > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by selfish > > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false sympathy > and > > > > despicable justification of their desires(more personal or > for a > > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The > people(some) > > are > > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are not > > > bothering > > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question is > the > > > > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and > freedom > > of > > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8 women > and > > gave > > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth was > never > > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the importance of > > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of TheDivine > even > > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as truth that > jesus > > was > > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in the name > of > > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the truth.Some day > we > > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on which > we're > > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish desires these > > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of religious > > tenets.We'll > > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without > warning.So > > please > > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of expression > media > > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous boundaries. > > > >> > > > >> regards > > > >> > > > >> srinivas > > > >> > > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > >> Sri, > > > >> > > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your message but > when > > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a Kind > and > > > > Wise > > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests > > (actually > > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > > > >> > > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all > > religions > > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they still > be > > here? > > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been > > > > associated > > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another. > > > >> > > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some > > difficulty! > > > >> > > > >> RR > > > >> > > > >> , srinivasa murthy > adavi > > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Dear Members, > > > >>> > > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon > > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular > mantra(when > > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on > saatwik > > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or Other > > Revered > > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed mantra > is > > the > > > > apt > > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a proper > > person > > > > at > > > >> proper time to another right individual such that the native > > gets > > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to > > withstand > > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him > loose > > his > > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work spot > if we > > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve > himself > > > > (if > > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct us > to > > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised > one). > > > >>> > > > >>> regards > > > >>> > > > >>> srinivas > > > >>> > > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > > > >>> > > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick > remedy > > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > > > >>> > > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars, > > > > rahu/ketu > > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi > > suggest > > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the > > native > > > > is > > > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then > > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > > > >>> > > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must > also > > be > > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be > > remedied > > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which > dasha > > > >> bhukti etc)... > > > >>> > > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) > require > > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the > people > > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and > if > > does > > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for > the > > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya > > naman > > > > ( > > > >> and can not be performed under certain circumstances), > offering > > > > water > > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not > think, > > > > the > > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to help > without > > > >> adhering to rituals. > > > >>> > > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if > the > > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more? > > > >>> > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>> > > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and > we > > > > star > > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Re: remedies > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear members, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya > Vidya > > > >> mandir, a > > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us > > students > > > > a > > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without > > > > knowledge, > > > >> its > > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this > > statement > > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or > news > > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. > Also > > > > it > > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he > suggests > > so > > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for > > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of > > > >> Lakshmi, > > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be > one, > > > > but > > > >> the > > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas > or > > > >> rajas. > > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at > times > > > > stones > > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine > couloured > > rays > > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified > > state),also > > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly. > > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some > for > > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the > stone > > at > > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also > which > > > > would > > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra > > > > native.Will > > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience > > from > > > >> the > > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of > mantras, > > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of > ancient > > > >> times > > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite the > mantra > > in > > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same mantra > > wrongly, > > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the > > power > > > > to > > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what > about > > us > > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the > point > > > > is, > > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> regards, > > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> , Prafulla Gang > > > > <jyotish@> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Dear Members > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not > > > > misread > > > >> me. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in > a > > > > chart > > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his > experience). > > > >> Native > > > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy (may be > > > > alternative > > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or > unknowlingly > > > > (for > > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu > / > > > > ketu; > > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as > > remedy > > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of > > > > remedies, > > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily routine > etc. > > > >> Should > > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / > affliction > > > >> related > > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective > planetary > > > >> ages > > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be > fully > > > > done > > > >> or > > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of > suggesting > > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around > mantras. > > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line > with > > > >> native's > > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots > of > > > >> rituals > > > >>>> for effective rituals. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its > need > > is > > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by > > > > fellow > > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list > astrologers) > > and > > > >> to a > > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting into > > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > and > > we > > > >> star > > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > >>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > around > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Dear Shri Kumar ji On remedies, I was initially diverted towards lal kitab too (early 90') but really could not comprehend that system (finally gave up). Yes, I learnt a lot on this, while interacting with local astrologers and few yogis. Surprisingly, those yogis, used to suggest for constellations (based upon the flavour, color etc). I also follow lots of rituals like feeding dogs, cows, birds etc. I happen to interact one yogi in 1995, and he suggested me to offer water/milk/honey to peepal tree on urgency basis. Fortunately, I could find one in Dubai - and next day, I had major accident there..no harm done; next day, my second car caught up fire in engine..without any harm...so it happens. We all of sudden meet someone, we do not know; and are helped to the extent of saving of life. It is again timing of such specific remedy, which astrologer can seldom pick. I have learnt one thing - which is to keep the remedies simple and to be receiving from the people, who can read beyond chart. and also to surrender to planetary attributes. for example for difficult mars, it is important for a person to draw little patience and make focussed action. Also for manglik isses, if the native (more for female natives), they need to control their unnecessary reactions in domestic issues to ward off the negative mars and save the damage to mars. Praying to lord hanuman must bring this modification in approach in life, else prayers are just rituals. Our prayers must help us in understanding the extra efforts / karma required to restore domestic issues. Likewise, difficult saturn must be understood. Our fasting for saturn etc must help us in learning the divine lessons.Also, feeding animals must invoke our kindness and feeling for the people's suffering to the extent of our actions to do selfless service. But when native do chairity under any astrological guidance, it has selfish motive..will it help? But do we perform remedies selflessly? Most of the time, in such remedies, we want (I am included in such desires) the miracles to happen and just recitation of mantras to bless us. Recitation of mantras must invoke our faith in supreme power and must make us ready to accept the events, as it comes..and to understand that whatever happens, will have something good for us. But very often our human greed, wants instant fixing. I must confess, even I want instant fixing. But can we? regards / Prafulla Gang Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > gbp_kumar > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:41:31 -0700 (PDT) > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > Prafulla > i guess u r almost there, there is a spl issue in AM between Sep > 89-91 i think not sure of the yr on diff remedies for diff planets > > for health most ideal is Sundara Khanda of Ramayana gives courage , > relief some stotras om yjr 30-40 cover cardiac diorders. > > Vishnu Sahasranama and Aditya Hrudaya recitals also help for many > remedies. according to the tabulation > > some other numbers cover mental disorders, some on respirotary > disorders and so on. if such a study is doen inother religious works for > other religions they must make it know so that it is prescribed, right > now we can go on what is available. > on Prashari remedies they r known ones, I felt u knew them so did not > cover it it is just like u try different medicine systems to get a cure > for a remedy it even agains ur religion u can try it > > I know Japneese buddhists doing them and also Jains too who follow it > thoug they say it is NOT PART of their system do try whole heartedly and > they do the animal feeding too as natural as breathing. > > I know some christians do the vedic remedies, I know muslims who > consult but not sure if they observe our remedies, there was a thread in > Jan=feb on Islamic remedies by Tanvir u can take a look in archives. > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > I think, the thread is bit diverted by me unknowingly. > > Few things are getting shape (in terms of clarity to me): > > a. Astrologers must make close follow up with native for the remedy > they suggest (like medical profession). > > b. Remedial measures help native in building mental strengtht to find > realistic solutions > > c. Sankalp is very important for remedy to play any role, if any. > > d. Remedy must be simple to pursue and as much as possible, must not > be on core religious lines (or say ritualistic lines) > > e. Bhaskar ji also pointed an interesting point of suggesting parashari > remedies for dasha etc. They are little more authentic remedies > > I am sure, experienced astrologers must have explored the possibility > of native adapting to beavioural approach of the planet. For example - > in shani's sade sati (or for malefic shani) - suggesting native to be > little more hard working, be bit more planned in its approach, making > the working environment little organized & luxurious; surrendering to > father etc. This may tone down shani for favourable results. or help > native in coping up with challenges. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star in > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > gbp_kumar > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/7 -4 tantra > > > > Prafulla, > > I agree tantra is part of the 2 religions as they r offshoots of > > vedic/hinduism and as longas ther eis no violence, evil design or > black > > magic as a upaya parihara, nivruthi it is fine. > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > > Dear Shri Kumar ji > > > > I agree, ahimsa became focus for most rulers (and helped in > > popularising the religion). But interesting thing to watch the rise > of > > tantras with jainsim / budhism. Both these religions have very > intense > > reference to tantras and their monks are trained in tantras (do not > mix > > with black magic), as part of their curriculum. > > > > Tibbet is one of the biggest tantra center. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we star > in > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > > > > gbp_kumar > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > RE: Re: remedies [communication...] 23/27 -2 > > > > > > Prafulla, > > > the rise of jainism, Buddhism kind of remedies r not bbeong > done or > > > advised by anone one say a Bali of goat, cow, hen or child or > huam > > so > > > the rest of the points don't count. there was excessive balis > then > > > beyond sense, reason or humaneness. more in fear if there was no > > rain or > > > some for monetry reasons. > > > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: > > > Dear Ranjan ji > > > > > > At some stag, religious impurites led to origin of Jainism, > Budhism, > > > Sikhism etc. If astrology is beyond any specific religion, then > why > > > religious remedies in astrology? Why not, suggesting something > which > > is > > > easy to follow for any person (cross territory, religion etc). > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and we > star > > in > > > it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > > > > Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:15:18 -0000 > > > > > > > > Re: remedies [communication...] > > > > > > > > Dear Srinivas, > > > > > > > > Thanks for reading what I wrote and replying with more food > for > > > > thought. > > > > > > > > As posted earlier (if more than once -- I am sorry dear > tolerant > > > > forum-members), I grew up in a rather > non-religious/non-ritual > > type > > > > family decades ago and yet I could hardly fail to notice the > > strength > > > > of conviction of my rather meek and submissive mother to do > her > > > > tuesday fast while my my very rational father scientist > manager > > > > father always being interested in intellectual scriptures > such as > > > > those written by Vivekananda and very intensively tuning into > > that > > > > illiterate Saint Ramakrishna. This hard-core scientist and > one of > > the > > > > fiercest-barracuda-managers I have ever known, europe trained > and > > all > > > > that had four plaster of paris images on the wall next to his > bed > > for > > > > decades. Shiva was on the top, Tagore and Ramakrishna in the > next > > > > layer and Vivekanda in the bottom layer. This man always > > pooh-poohed > > > > my interest in astrology and occult but never really stopped > me > > > > either. I have been fortunate in being successful at a few > things > > in > > > > life which he would have wanted me to be. There was a moment > when > > I > > > > had corrected figured out one of the Astrology miscellany > quizzes > > in > > > > Raman's Astrological Magazine and I proudly showed it to him. > He > > > > beamed a smile at me that I treasure even today! One of his > > favourite > > > > quotes was: Nothing succeeds like success! > > > > > > > > And success is a personal perception! Unfortunately most of > us do > > not > > > > come to terms with that. > > > > > > > > This may strike some readers as being irrelevant. > > > > > > > > What I am trying to tell is that spirituality has much more > power > > > > than religion or religiousness because it is FLEXIBLE, it > > respects > > > > emotions (feeling) and reason and pervades through each and > every > > > > activity that we associate with life! > > > > > > > > Krishna embodies and represents all that is the fullest > > expression of > > > > human potential. Bhoga, Yoga and while fully enjoying those, > > never > > > > forgetting WHO we truly are! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , srinivasa murthy > adavi > > > > <smadavi wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Sir > > > >> A few more words- > > > >> As per Bhagawatgita it is said that wherever cosmological > > > > imbalances occur in order to set right them God reveals > himself > > in > > > > Jeevatma form (84 lakh types).So rightfrom > > > > Vighneswara,AdiDhakthi,Trinity(Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva along > with > > > > respective consorts),Subrahmanya,Suryadeva etc,and others > like > > Shirdi > > > > Saibaba,Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,Jesus Christ,Prophet Mohammed > etc > > all > > > > are his manifestations with varying methods for bringing in > the > > > > cosmological harmony. > > > >> Coming to religious wars ,they're more madeout by selfish > > > > individuals keeping the religious mask to gain false sympathy > and > > > > despicable justification of their desires(more personal or > for a > > > > choosen few , rather than for universal good). > > > >> For eg see the controversy on DaVanci Code-The > people(some) > > are > > > > arguing thatif the Christian countries rae theselves are not > > > bothering > > > > (protesting) then why should we bother.Here the question is > the > > > > falsification of a truth in the name of creativeness and > freedom > > of > > > > expression.Well ,say for eg Lord SriKrishna married 8 women > and > > gave > > > > succour and protection to 160000 other wives,the truth was > never > > > > supressed and it was told telling the world the importance of > > > > adherence to truth,which is the ultimate form of TheDivine > even > > > > overriding the belief.So,when it was believed as truth that > jesus > > was > > > > a celibate then why should people take liberty (in the name > of > > > > harmless creative expression) to falsify the truth.Some day > we > > > > realise by such bashing we're cutting the branch on which > we're > > > > sitting.In order to justify their own selfish desires these > > > > individuals are resorting to undermining of religious > > tenets.We'll > > > > face music soon-it will come like a Tsunami without > warning.So > > please > > > >> fight these forces. In the name of freedom of expression > media > > > > (i'm talking of mass media)has crossed dangerous boundaries. > > > >> > > > >> regards > > > >> > > > >> srinivas > > > >> > > > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > >> Sri, > > > >> > > > >> Please do not take this as a critique of your message but > when > > > >> reading and rereading your posting I get the image of a Kind > and > > > > Wise > > > >> SOUL overseeing us and looking after our best interests > > (actually > > > >> HIS/HER best interests, just like any parent!) > > > >> > > > >> On this timeless faith and personal belief have stood all > > religions > > > >> of the world. If they were utterly wrong, would they still > be > > here? > > > >> Regardless of a certain amount of negativity that has been > > > > associated > > > >> with and used to tarnish one religion or another. > > > >> > > > >> Even PURE GOLD can be made to tarnish, though with some > > difficulty! > > > >> > > > >> RR > > > >> > > > >> , srinivasa murthy > adavi > > > >> <smadavi@> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Dear Members, > > > >>> > > > >>> A few words on this subject that were based on the sermon > > > >> recieved by me from a kind soul- > > > >>> When I asked him about the efficacy of a particular > mantra(when > > > >> wrongly prescribed )he said that the pooja done based on > saatwik > > > >> mantras based on shashtamatha (HH AdiSankaracharya or Other > > Revered > > > >> souls) will either have direct effect(if prescribed mantra > is > > the > > > > apt > > > >> one for a particular situation) or it will lead to a proper > > person > > > > at > > > >> proper time to another right individual such that the native > > gets > > > >> relieved of the suffering or develops inner fortitude to > > withstand > > > >> the suffering(his karmic remnanats) without letting him > loose > > his > > > >> moral moorings.Analaogically he said that in our work spot > if we > > > >> approach a person for overcoming a problem,he will solve > himself > > > > (if > > > >> he has the knowledge and authorisation) or he will direct us > to > > > >> competent person-of helpful attitude and the authorised > one). > > > >>> > > > >>> regards > > > >>> > > > >>> srinivas > > > >>> > > > >>> Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > >>> Dear Bhaskar ji > > > >>> > > > >>> Yes, you are very correct in your observation. The quick > remedy > > > >> prescription can be harmful for astrologer too. > > > >>> > > > >>> The most commonly remedies suggested are for shani, mars, > > > > rahu/ketu > > > >> and curses in the chart. Sometime, for example - jyotishi > > suggest > > > >> krishna mantra to buddhist! Does it make sense? and if the > > native > > > > is > > > >> displaying his discomfort in following krishna's pooja; then > > > >> astrologer starts putting tough words... > > > >>> > > > >>> I am sure, if astrology talks about remedy, then it must > also > > be > > > >> indicating somewhere, if such curse / afliction etc can be > > remedied > > > >> or not; and if it can be - then at what age (or say which > dasha > > > >> bhukti etc)... > > > >>> > > > >>> remedial suggestions around mantras (to invoke powers) > require > > > >> understanding of lots of rituals. I think, not all the > people > > > >> suggesting those mantras know about such rituals well. and > if > > does > > > >> not work for native, faith becomes the standard excuse for > the > > > >> astrologer. For example - there is predefined vidhi of surya > > naman > > > > ( > > > >> and can not be performed under certain circumstances), > offering > > > > water > > > >> to peepal tree, performing particular pooja etc. I do not > think, > > > > the > > > >> standard prescription to any native, is going to help > without > > > >> adhering to rituals. > > > >>> > > > >>> I am still questioning the basic issue - how do we know, if > the > > > >> remedy will work? is working? or is not required any more? > > > >>> > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>> > > > >>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, and > we > > > > star > > > >> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > >>>> Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:04 -0000 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Re: remedies > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear members, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Few years back,when attending one lecture at Bhartiya > Vidya > > > >> mandir, a > > > >>>> very noted astrologer and visiting proffessor ,told us > > students > > > > a > > > >>>> clear cut instruction. 'Dont delge in remedies,without > > > > knowledge, > > > >> its > > > >>>> very dangerous'The impact is felt many times, of this > > statement > > > >>>> when a native comes back with no results forthcoming or > news > > > >>>> of some untowards hapenning if wrong remedy is suggested. > Also > > > > it > > > >>>> puts a lot of rinabandhan on the astrologer, when he > suggests > > so > > > >>>> without actual deep study of what he is saying. For eg.for > > > >>>> remedy of Venus, one may suggest the native to do pooja of > > > >> Lakshmi, > > > >>>> another Durga, or another Kaali,though the shakti may be > one, > > > > but > > > >> the > > > >>>> manifestations may have different gunas like sattwa, tamas > or > > > >> rajas. > > > >>>> Are we sure what we want to give the native ? Also at > times > > > > stones > > > >>>> which are concentrated depositories of the divine > couloured > > rays > > > >>>> of which we are all made of (in this case solidified > > state),also > > > >>>> can play havoc on the natives life if suggested wrongly. > > > >>>> Some suggest to the native stones for Mahadasha lord, some > for > > > >>>> antardasha and some for Ascendant. While suggesting the > stone > > at > > > >>>> times they tend to forget the diatmetric results also > which > > > > would > > > >>>> follow apart from what it was meant for. For ex.Libra > > > > native.Will > > > >>>> diamond be a bane or booon for the native? Only experience > > from > > > >> the > > > >>>> native itself will give us the knowledge. Talking of > mantras, > > > >>>> I have read somewhere in some book the rishi munis of > ancient > > > >> times > > > >>>> used to sit together and make one disciple recite the > mantra > > in > > > >>>> the right manner and another to recite the same mantra > > wrongly, > > > >>>> just to show effects to the chelas.Of course they had the > > power > > > > to > > > >>>> mitigate the negative effects there and then, but what > about > > us > > > >>>> mortals ? This discussion can continue for long, but the > point > > > > is, > > > >>>> Yes, we have to be careful in suggesting remedies. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> regards, > > > >>>> Bhaskar. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> , Prafulla Gang > > > > <jyotish@> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Dear Members > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I am touching a very sensitive subject, so please do not > > > > misread > > > >> me. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Astrologers observe difficult combinations, curses etc in > a > > > > chart > > > >>>> and prescribe suitable remedial measures (per his > experience). > > > >> Native > > > >>>> might have already been performing some remedy (may be > > > > alternative > > > >>>> one, but towards the same purpose) knowingly or > unknowlingly > > > > (for > > > >>>> example - Jain navakar mantra is powerful remedy for rahu > / > > > > ketu; > > > >>>> feeding dog / cow as daily routine without thinking it as > > remedy > > > >>>> etc). My questions are around blanket recommendation of > > > > remedies, > > > >>>> without knowing te native's past events / daily routine > etc. > > > >> Should > > > >>>> remedies be suggested like this - Specifically - > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> how does an astrologer validates if, the curse / > affliction > > > >> related > > > >>>> remedy is already done and no more required? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> does such remedies be applicable only at respective > planetary > > > >> ages > > > >>>> etc? at what stage, the remedies are considered to be > fully > > > > done > > > >> or > > > >>>> say, planetary ill effects cease to exist like. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> without good experience, is it a good practice of > suggesting > > > >>>> remedies like suggesting panadol; especially around > mantras. > > > >>>> Prescription of mantras are something - must be in line > with > > > >> native's > > > >>>> religious beliefs etc. Secondly, mantras etc involve lots > of > > > >> rituals > > > >>>> for effective rituals. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> In my personal opinion, remedies and assessment of its > need > > is > > > >>>> highly sensitive area and must not be dealt so casually by > > > > fellow > > > >>>> astrologers (in day to day life - off the list > astrologers) > > and > > > >> to a > > > >>>> large extent, natives are responsible for getting into > > > >>>> unnecessary "vaham". > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Our life is a great movie, we direct it, we produce it, > and > > we > > > >> star > > > >>>> in it. So turn off the TV and live your life!! > > > >>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > around > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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