[KNRaoJyotish] Anwer to Question 2 - Attn: P. Kumar

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

House of education has been disputed very recently. You can see Shri K.N.Rao speaking on the subject tomorrow at AAJ TAK Hindi news channel. It will be telecast at 9:30 in the morning and again at 3:30 in the afternoon. Subject will be 5th house and Education.

 

P.Kumar

-

P.Kumar

vedic astrology ; KNRaoJyotish

Cc:

Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:19 AM

Re: [KNRaoJyotish] Anwer to Question 2 - Attn: P. Kumar

 

 

You wrote:

"...Sri KN Rao takes the 5th house as well since the 5th house is the house of intelligence."

No, Shri K.N.Rao takes 'primarily' the 5th house for education and not 'as well'.

 

Then you wrote:

"It is not primarily the house of education but of ones intelligence which is so important for education."

Is it not your own verdict ? Further, it lacks astrological contents.

 

Now see the conditions and pre-qualifications I had referred to:

1) Before posing such queries, correctness of a chart must be assured or helpful hints must be provided for rectification. That is why I always ask for 'source of TOB' and 'margin of error possible'. From Rasi to Shashtyamsha every chart has its own importance. Shashtyamsha changes every 2 minutes. Thus, need of rectification can never be undermined.

2) The person posing such queries and commenting on responses received must be a good astrologer himself. Only then a person can appreciates the depth of astrology and will never comment on an analysis the way you had commented on the one given by Sreenivas. I consider it quite misguiding and hence most irresposible.

 

Most persons deviate from basics and start justifying the events on any given chart as though giving astrological prediction is a child's play. One should always stick to basics, follow undisputed classical dictums and apply sound common sense. I always try to stick to basics illustration of which can be seen in my article on the website of respected Shri K.N.Rao at the link given below:

http://www.journalofastrology.com/ARTICLES/professional_crises.htm

 

 

P.Kumar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Vinay Kumar

KNRaoJyotish

Friday, July 21, 2006 10:25 PM

[KNRaoJyotish] Anwer to Question 2 - Attn: P. Kumar

 

 

Dear Kumar,

4th house is the house of formal education. You can refer to any

classic and it will say 4th house as the house of formal education. I

do know that Sri KN Rao takes the 5th house as well since the 5th

house is the house of intelligence. It is not primarily the house of

education but of ones intelligence which is so important for

education. So when the 5th house or the 5th lord is strong that also

furthers education. In this way the 5th can also be used for education

and it is not wrong. Remember that a graha in the 5th house has an

argala (intervention) on the 4th house, meaning that for good

education (4th house) the 5th house of intelligence is important. A

benefic in the 5th (Mercury, Guru) is a boon for good education. Apart

from this the 3rd house can be taken for education up to the basic or

primary level. The 9th house can be taken for education of the highest

level, like Phd, doctorates etc.

 

Agreed that an instance or two of correct predictions is not enough,

but at least Sreeram made a start. My compliments for him were only

for this question which he got it right. I personally do not know of

how many such correct predictions he has given; or his depth of the

understanding of the subject or his talent in vast field of Jyotish.

 

BTW what are the conditions and pre-qualifications necessary for

posting queries like the one that I did?

 

Regards,

Vinay

[Guest guest]

crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:hi all

is there any honourable astrologer who shall take out some time and read my horoscope and guide me my life

my name is Rajat

8th june 1979

15:45

sonipat (haryana) india

thanks

love

rajat

Dear Chandrashekhar,

 

In chapter 13 (bhavavivekadhyaya), please review slokas 11 (10th

house) and sloka 10 (9th house) and you will see 'father' been

specifically mentioned with 10th house, not ninth.

Also, in chapter 31, the padas, at least in the Sharma version, the

first three slokas describe how to determine padas, generically, the

next 3 slokas describe the special situation when padas fall in

certain houses. After the 3rd sloka there is a long commentary by

Sharma in which he names the specific padas and as you mentioned

calls the pada of 9th house as pitripada. However, Parashara's slokas

do not mentions the individual padas. Please review and let me have

your comments.

 

Thanks

 

RR

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini,

>

> I think BPHS mentions the indications of father in the effects of

the

> Dharma (9th bhava). Again in Chapter on Padas he gives the name

> Pitrupada to the arudha of the 9th bhava.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> crystal pages wrote:

> >

> > BPHS associates father with the 10th, not the 9th.

> > Guru is one of the five fathers.

> >

> >

> > <%40>, "sreeram srinivas"

> > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sri K.N. Rao does consider the 4H for formal education & 5H for

> > higher

> > > studies.....here there seems to be minor divide between South &

> > North way of

> > > looking at this houses for education. Similarly when 4H is for

> > mother,

> > > then 10H should be for father....yet, we seems to consider 9H

for

> > > father....those days of father teaching the son on the tricks of

> > the trade (

> > > career ).....( carpenter son is a carpenter or a Panditji son

is a

> > Pandit-

> > > theory or belief or convention of those days ).... does not

seem to

> > be

> > > relevant today as in today's scenario Father & Son together sit

> > together to

> > > enjoy vices like " smoking or drinking".or Mother & Daughter

> > competing in

> > > making fashion statements !!....etc. where is the question of

> > father being

> > > a guru ?? ( in a broad sense )......technically 9H is supposed

to

> > be for

> > > Guru......

> > >

> > > While some consider Jupiter or Venus for marriage...( depending

upon

> > > gender)....there are some well known successful astros who

> > consider Mars

> > > for marriage for valid reasons....

> > >

> > > Any answers from those who often tempted to "move" or "rotate"

the

> > lagna or

> > > planets or a single planet degrees ( in some cases ) even when

> > someone is

> > > confirming the birth time..... I have keenly observed even Sri

K.N.

> > Rao has

> > > been rectifying the birth time of Mr. Amitabh Bachan from 14:54

hrs

> > to 15:30

> > > hrs in his analysis ( refer the printed articles in Journal of

> > Astrology )

> > > and the ones that used in the highly published telecast on

Indian

> > Aaj Tak

> > > Channel on Sundays. I know for sure that Mr. P. Kumar is ardent

> > follower

> > > of Sri K.N. Rao like me....( would appreciate if you could

correct

> > me on

> > > this ) as seen from his various posts from time to time....

> > >

> > > Similarly for the horoscope of Mr. Atal Behari

> > Vajpee.....case.. Doing

> > > or Fixing or "rotating" birth times to fix the known events is

not

> > an easy

> > > task and even astro_legends are still making those fine

> > tuning.....shows

> > > that there is some amount of research to be done in this

area......

> > unless

> > > one reaches such high mental states of reasoning....one should

> > detest from

> > > correcting birth time by 9 minutes, when someone has confirmed

the

> > birth

> > > data.

> > >

> > > In one case - "Express Star Teller" magazine where the given

birth

> > time,

> > > chart and to an extent analysis given on Mr. Lal Krishnan Advani

> > does not

> > > match......inspite of local time correction ( pre-

> > independence.....time

> > > zones....issues ) how correct it is done....in such cases,

better

> > to ignore

> > > such cases than spending time......remember a gentleman -

Tatvam-Asi

> > > [nameisego@] often seen in VA forums ( I do not know this

person,

> > > other his postings in the group) once declined to comment or

waste

> > his time

> > > when someone gave him in the group a "authentic horoscope" of

child

> > born to

> > > Indian filmistar Mr. Hritik Roshan saying it does not match the

> > richness or

> > > popularity of his father !!! ( otherwise this was hotly

analysed or

> > > commented horoscope in VA forums )

> > >

> > > with regards,

> > > sreeram srinivas

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > KNRaoJyotish

> > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > [KNRaoJyotish

> > <KNRaoJyotish%40>] On

> > > Behalf Of Vinay Kumar

> > > Friday, July 21, 2006 10:26 PM

> > > KNRaoJyotish <KNRaoJyotish%

40>

> > > [KNRaoJyotish] Anwer to Question 2 - Attn: P. Kumar

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Kumar,

> > > 4th house is the house of formal education. You can refer to any

> > > classic and it will say 4th house as the house of formal

education.

> > I

> > > do know that Sri KN Rao takes the 5th house as well since the

5th

> > > house is the house of intelligence. It is not primarily the

house of

> > > education but of ones intelligence which is so important for

> > > education. So when the 5th house or the 5th lord is strong that

also

> > > furthers education. In this way the 5th can also be used for

> > education

> > > and it is not wrong. Remember that a graha in the 5th house has

an

> > > argala (intervention) on the 4th house, meaning that for good

> > > education (4th house) the 5th house of intelligence is

important. A

> > > benefic in the 5th (Mercury, Guru) is a boon for good education.

> > Apart

> > > from this the 3rd house can be taken for education up to the

basic

> > or

> > > primary level. The 9th house can be taken for education of the

> > highest

> > > level, like Phd, doctorates etc.

> > >

> > > Agreed that an instance or two of correct predictions is not

enough,

> > > but at least Sreeram made a start. My compliments for him were

only

> > > for this question which he got it right. I personally do not

know of

> > > how many such correct predictions he has given; or his depth of

the

> > > understanding of the subject or his talent in vast field of

Jyotish.

> > >

> > > BTW what are the conditions and pre-qualifications necessary for

> > > posting queries like the one that I did?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Vinay

> > >

> > >

> > > .

> > >

> > > <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>

> > s=97359714&grpId=16918584&grpspId=1600082690&msgI

> > > d=580&stime=1153501110>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Chandrashekhar,

 

Thanks for that insight into sanskrit. Not being a sanskritologist it

is illuminating to hear from a sanskrit expert that the language is

not as precise and black and white but itself is subject to

interpretation. Unfortunately, this makes the work even more

difficult since astrology itself is a language that is subject to

significant variable interpretations and several flavours and if it

is written in sanskrit which itself is subject to interpretation and

variable, that really makes it that more complex if not worse!

 

Sadly. while this somewhat muddies the original meaning intended, it

clarifies the general muddiness and multiple interpretations

prevailing in published literature from different authorities and

schools and so on!

 

Thanks for your input!

 

RR

<<Last time I felt -- my feet were still touching the ground

And the smell of first rains touching the soil was in my nose!>>

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini,

> Yes that shloka is translated like that. But it could also mean

that the

> Fame and kingdom of the father should be seen from the 10th bhava.

This

> is because the 10th bhava is the Dhana (2nd) bhava for the 9th

bhava.

> One must remember that this adhyaaya follows shodashavargaviveka

> Adhyaaya. IN vedic shastras, as I was told by my father, one has

always

> to take into consideration what is stated earlier chapters, before

> imputing meaning to what is said in later chapters. If you look at

the

> Tanvaadi bhava sangyaas appearing in Shodashavarga vichar, the fact

that

> one should look at the 9th bhava of father is very unambiguously

stated.

> He also says that similarly the 9th from Surya should be analyzed

for

> father of the Jataka (Surya being the Karaka for father).

>

> It is said: "navame ca piturGYaanaM Suryaacca navamethavaa"

>

> Again if you go on to the specific results of the 9th bhava, as I

said,

> then you will find that bhagyesha's strength or the strength of

bhagya

> bhava (9th) is given as a condition of the prosperity of the father

of

> the jataka.

>

> You are right when you say that Pitrupada is mentioned in the

commentary

> and not in the shloka. But the shloka indicates reference to

tanvaadi

> bhava as said by the Sage, earlier, are to be referred and that the

> bhavaarudha padas are to be so referred.

>

> I trust you will find this in order.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

>

>

>

> crystal pages wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > In chapter 13 (bhavavivekadhyaya), please review slokas 11 (10th

> > house) and sloka 10 (9th house) and you will see 'father' been

> > specifically mentioned with 10th house, not ninth.

> > Also, in chapter 31, the padas, at least in the Sharma version,

the

> > first three slokas describe how to determine padas, generically,

the

> > next 3 slokas describe the special situation when padas fall in

> > certain houses. After the 3rd sloka there is a long commentary by

> > Sharma in which he names the specific padas and as you mentioned

> > calls the pada of 9th house as pitripada. However, Parashara's

slokas

> > do not mentions the individual padas. Please review and let me

have

> > your comments.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini,

> > >

> > > I think BPHS mentions the indications of father in the effects

of

> > the

> > > Dharma (9th bhava). Again in Chapter on Padas he gives the name

> > > Pitrupada to the arudha of the 9th bhava.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > >

> > > > BPHS associates father with the 10th, not the 9th.

> > > > Guru is one of the five fathers.

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, "sreeram srinivas"

> > > > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri K.N. Rao does consider the 4H for formal education & 5H

for

> > > > higher

> > > > > studies.....here there seems to be minor divide between

South &

> > > > North way of

> > > > > looking at this houses for education. Similarly when 4H is

for

> > > > mother,

> > > > > then 10H should be for father....yet, we seems to consider

9H

> > for

> > > > > father....those days of father teaching the son on the

tricks of

> > > > the trade (

> > > > > career ).....( carpenter son is a carpenter or a Panditji

son

> > is a

> > > > Pandit-

> > > > > theory or belief or convention of those days ).... does not

> > seem to

> > > > be

> > > > > relevant today as in today's scenario Father & Son together

sit

> > > > together to

> > > > > enjoy vices like " smoking or drinking".or Mother & Daughter

> > > > competing in

> > > > > making fashion statements !!....etc. where is the question

of

> > > > father being

> > > > > a guru ?? ( in a broad sense )......technically 9H is

supposed

> > to

> > > > be for

> > > > > Guru......

> > > > >

> > > > > While some consider Jupiter or Venus for marriage...(

depending

> > upon

> > > > > gender)....there are some well known successful astros who

> > > > consider Mars

> > > > > for marriage for valid reasons....

> > > > >

> > > > > Any answers from those who often tempted to "move"

or "rotate"

> > the

> > > > lagna or

> > > > > planets or a single planet degrees ( in some cases ) even

when

> > > > someone is

> > > > > confirming the birth time..... I have keenly observed even

Sri

> > K.N.

> > > > Rao has

> > > > > been rectifying the birth time of Mr. Amitabh Bachan from

14:54

> > hrs

> > > > to 15:30

> > > > > hrs in his analysis ( refer the printed articles in Journal

of

> > > > Astrology )

> > > > > and the ones that used in the highly published telecast on

> > Indian

> > > > Aaj Tak

> > > > > Channel on Sundays. I know for sure that Mr. P. Kumar is

ardent

> > > > follower

> > > > > of Sri K.N. Rao like me....( would appreciate if you could

> > correct

> > > > me on

> > > > > this ) as seen from his various posts from time to time....

> > > > >

> > > > > Similarly for the horoscope of Mr. Atal Behari

> > > > Vajpee.....case.. Doing

> > > > > or Fixing or "rotating" birth times to fix the known events

is

> > not

> > > > an easy

> > > > > task and even astro_legends are still making those fine

> > > > tuning.....shows

> > > > > that there is some amount of research to be done in this

> > area......

> > > > unless

> > > > > one reaches such high mental states of reasoning....one

should

> > > > detest from

> > > > > correcting birth time by 9 minutes, when someone has

confirmed

> > the

> > > > birth

> > > > > data.

> > > > >

> > > > > In one case - "Express Star Teller" magazine where the given

> > birth

> > > > time,

> > > > > chart and to an extent analysis given on Mr. Lal Krishnan

Advani

> > > > does not

> > > > > match......inspite of local time correction ( pre-

> > > > independence.....time

> > > > > zones....issues ) how correct it is done....in such cases,

> > better

> > > > to ignore

> > > > > such cases than spending time......remember a gentleman -

> > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > [nameisego@] often seen in VA forums ( I do not know this

> > person,

> > > > > other his postings in the group) once declined to comment or

> > waste

> > > > his time

> > > > > when someone gave him in the group a "authentic horoscope"

of

> > child

> > > > born to

> > > > > Indian filmistar Mr. Hritik Roshan saying it does not match

the

> > > > richness or

> > > > > popularity of his father !!! ( otherwise this was hotly

> > analysed or

> > > > > commented horoscope in VA forums )

> > > > >

> > > > > with regards,

> > > > > sreeram srinivas

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > KNRaoJyotish

> > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > [KNRaoJyotish

> > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>] On

> > > > > Behalf Of Vinay Kumar

> > > > > Friday, July 21, 2006 10:26 PM

> > > > > KNRaoJyotish

> > <KNRaoJyotish%40> <KNRaoJyotish%

> > 40>

> > > > > [KNRaoJyotish] Anwer to Question 2 - Attn: P. Kumar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kumar,

> > > > > 4th house is the house of formal education. You can refer

to any

> > > > > classic and it will say 4th house as the house of formal

> > education.

> > > > I

> > > > > do know that Sri KN Rao takes the 5th house as well since

the

> > 5th

> > > > > house is the house of intelligence. It is not primarily the

> > house of

> > > > > education but of ones intelligence which is so important for

> > > > > education. So when the 5th house or the 5th lord is strong

that

> > also

> > > > > furthers education. In this way the 5th can also be used for

> > > > education

> > > > > and it is not wrong. Remember that a graha in the 5th house

has

> > an

> > > > > argala (intervention) on the 4th house, meaning that for

good

> > > > > education (4th house) the 5th house of intelligence is

> > important. A

> > > > > benefic in the 5th (Mercury, Guru) is a boon for good

education.

> > > > Apart

> > > > > from this the 3rd house can be taken for education up to the

> > basic

> > > > or

> > > > > primary level. The 9th house can be taken for education of

the

> > > > highest

> > > > > level, like Phd, doctorates etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Agreed that an instance or two of correct predictions is not

> > enough,

> > > > > but at least Sreeram made a start. My compliments for him

were

> > only

> > > > > for this question which he got it right. I personally do not

> > know of

> > > > > how many such correct predictions he has given; or his

depth of

> > the

> > > > > understanding of the subject or his talent in vast field of

> > Jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > BTW what are the conditions and pre-qualifications

necessary for

> > > > > posting queries like the one that I did?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Vinay

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > .

> > > > >

> > > > > <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>

> > <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>>

> > > > s=97359714&grpId=16918584&grpspId=1600082690&msgI

> > > > > d=580&stime=1153501110>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini,

Yes the brevity of language does render it open to different

interpretations. This is more so as there are no punctuation marks in

Sanskrit.

That perhaps is why we get many commentaries by the learned on any classic.

 

Chandrashekhar.

crystal pages wrote:

>

> Chandrashekhar,

>

> Thanks for that insight into sanskrit. Not being a sanskritologist it

> is illuminating to hear from a sanskrit expert that the language is

> not as precise and black and white but itself is subject to

> interpretation. Unfortunately, this makes the work even more

> difficult since astrology itself is a language that is subject to

> significant variable interpretations and several flavours and if it

> is written in sanskrit which itself is subject to interpretation and

> variable, that really makes it that more complex if not worse!

>

> Sadly. while this somewhat muddies the original meaning intended, it

> clarifies the general muddiness and multiple interpretations

> prevailing in published literature from different authorities and

> schools and so on!

>

> Thanks for your input!

>

> RR

> <<Last time I felt -- my feet were still touching the ground

> And the smell of first rains touching the soil was in my nose!>>

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini,

> > Yes that shloka is translated like that. But it could also mean

> that the

> > Fame and kingdom of the father should be seen from the 10th bhava.

> This

> > is because the 10th bhava is the Dhana (2nd) bhava for the 9th

> bhava.

> > One must remember that this adhyaaya follows shodashavargaviveka

> > Adhyaaya. IN vedic shastras, as I was told by my father, one has

> always

> > to take into consideration what is stated earlier chapters, before

> > imputing meaning to what is said in later chapters. If you look at

> the

> > Tanvaadi bhava sangyaas appearing in Shodashavarga vichar, the fact

> that

> > one should look at the 9th bhava of father is very unambiguously

> stated.

> > He also says that similarly the 9th from Surya should be analyzed

> for

> > father of the Jataka (Surya being the Karaka for father).

> >

> > It is said: "navame ca piturGYaanaM Suryaacca navamethavaa"

> >

> > Again if you go on to the specific results of the 9th bhava, as I

> said,

> > then you will find that bhagyesha's strength or the strength of

> bhagya

> > bhava (9th) is given as a condition of the prosperity of the father

> of

> > the jataka.

> >

> > You are right when you say that Pitrupada is mentioned in the

> commentary

> > and not in the shloka. But the shloka indicates reference to

> tanvaadi

> > bhava as said by the Sage, earlier, are to be referred and that the

> > bhavaarudha padas are to be so referred.

> >

> > I trust you will find this in order.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > crystal pages wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > In chapter 13 (bhavavivekadhyaya), please review slokas 11 (10th

> > > house) and sloka 10 (9th house) and you will see 'father' been

> > > specifically mentioned with 10th house, not ninth.

> > > Also, in chapter 31, the padas, at least in the Sharma version,

> the

> > > first three slokas describe how to determine padas, generically,

> the

> > > next 3 slokas describe the special situation when padas fall in

> > > certain houses. After the 3rd sloka there is a long commentary by

> > > Sharma in which he names the specific padas and as you mentioned

> > > calls the pada of 9th house as pitripada. However, Parashara's

> slokas

> > > do not mentions the individual padas. Please review and let me

> have

> > > your comments.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohini,

> > > >

> > > > I think BPHS mentions the indications of father in the effects

> of

> > > the

> > > > Dharma (9th bhava). Again in Chapter on Padas he gives the name

> > > > Pitrupada to the arudha of the 9th bhava.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS associates father with the 10th, not the 9th.

> > > > > Guru is one of the five fathers.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, "sreeram srinivas"

> > > > > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sri K.N. Rao does consider the 4H for formal education & 5H

> for

> > > > > higher

> > > > > > studies.....here there seems to be minor divide between

> South &

> > > > > North way of

> > > > > > looking at this houses for education. Similarly when 4H is

> for

> > > > > mother,

> > > > > > then 10H should be for father....yet, we seems to consider

> 9H

> > > for

> > > > > > father....those days of father teaching the son on the

> tricks of

> > > > > the trade (

> > > > > > career ).....( carpenter son is a carpenter or a Panditji

> son

> > > is a

> > > > > Pandit-

> > > > > > theory or belief or convention of those days ).... does not

> > > seem to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > relevant today as in today's scenario Father & Son together

> sit

> > > > > together to

> > > > > > enjoy vices like " smoking or drinking".or Mother & Daughter

> > > > > competing in

> > > > > > making fashion statements !!....etc. where is the question

> of

> > > > > father being

> > > > > > a guru ?? ( in a broad sense )......technically 9H is

> supposed

> > > to

> > > > > be for

> > > > > > Guru......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While some consider Jupiter or Venus for marriage...(

> depending

> > > upon

> > > > > > gender)....there are some well known successful astros who

> > > > > consider Mars

> > > > > > for marriage for valid reasons....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any answers from those who often tempted to "move"

> or "rotate"

> > > the

> > > > > lagna or

> > > > > > planets or a single planet degrees ( in some cases ) even

> when

> > > > > someone is

> > > > > > confirming the birth time..... I have keenly observed even

> Sri

> > > K.N.

> > > > > Rao has

> > > > > > been rectifying the birth time of Mr. Amitabh Bachan from

> 14:54

> > > hrs

> > > > > to 15:30

> > > > > > hrs in his analysis ( refer the printed articles in Journal

> of

> > > > > Astrology )

> > > > > > and the ones that used in the highly published telecast on

> > > Indian

> > > > > Aaj Tak

> > > > > > Channel on Sundays. I know for sure that Mr. P. Kumar is

> ardent

> > > > > follower

> > > > > > of Sri K.N. Rao like me....( would appreciate if you could

> > > correct

> > > > > me on

> > > > > > this ) as seen from his various posts from time to time....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Similarly for the horoscope of Mr. Atal Behari

> > > > > Vajpee.....case.. Doing

> > > > > > or Fixing or "rotating" birth times to fix the known events

> is

> > > not

> > > > > an easy

> > > > > > task and even astro_legends are still making those fine

> > > > > tuning.....shows

> > > > > > that there is some amount of research to be done in this

> > > area......

> > > > > unless

> > > > > > one reaches such high mental states of reasoning....one

> should

> > > > > detest from

> > > > > > correcting birth time by 9 minutes, when someone has

> confirmed

> > > the

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > data.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In one case - "Express Star Teller" magazine where the given

> > > birth

> > > > > time,

> > > > > > chart and to an extent analysis given on Mr. Lal Krishnan

> Advani

> > > > > does not

> > > > > > match......inspite of local time correction ( pre-

> > > > > independence.....time

> > > > > > zones....issues ) how correct it is done....in such cases,

> > > better

> > > > > to ignore

> > > > > > such cases than spending time......remember a gentleman -

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > > [nameisego@] often seen in VA forums ( I do not know this

> > > person,

> > > > > > other his postings in the group) once declined to comment or

> > > waste

> > > > > his time

> > > > > > when someone gave him in the group a "authentic horoscope"

> of

> > > child

> > > > > born to

> > > > > > Indian filmistar Mr. Hritik Roshan saying it does not match

> the

> > > > > richness or

> > > > > > popularity of his father !!! ( otherwise this was hotly

> > > analysed or

> > > > > > commented horoscope in VA forums )

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with regards,

> > > > > > sreeram srinivas

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > _____

> > > > > >

> > > > > > KNRaoJyotish

> <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > [KNRaoJyotish

> <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>] On

> > > > > > Behalf Of Vinay Kumar

> > > > > > Friday, July 21, 2006 10:26 PM

> > > > > > KNRaoJyotish

> <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > <KNRaoJyotish%40> <KNRaoJyotish%

> > > 40>

> > > > > > [KNRaoJyotish] Anwer to Question 2 - Attn: P. Kumar

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kumar,

> > > > > > 4th house is the house of formal education. You can refer

> to any

> > > > > > classic and it will say 4th house as the house of formal

> > > education.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > do know that Sri KN Rao takes the 5th house as well since

> the

> > > 5th

> > > > > > house is the house of intelligence. It is not primarily the

> > > house of

> > > > > > education but of ones intelligence which is so important for

> > > > > > education. So when the 5th house or the 5th lord is strong

> that

> > > also

> > > > > > furthers education. In this way the 5th can also be used for

> > > > > education

> > > > > > and it is not wrong. Remember that a graha in the 5th house

> has

> > > an

> > > > > > argala (intervention) on the 4th house, meaning that for

> good

> > > > > > education (4th house) the 5th house of intelligence is

> > > important. A

> > > > > > benefic in the 5th (Mercury, Guru) is a boon for good

> education.

> > > > > Apart

> > > > > > from this the 3rd house can be taken for education up to the

> > > basic

> > > > > or

> > > > > > primary level. The 9th house can be taken for education of

> the

> > > > > highest

> > > > > > level, like Phd, doctorates etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Agreed that an instance or two of correct predictions is not

> > > enough,

> > > > > > but at least Sreeram made a start. My compliments for him

> were

> > > only

> > > > > > for this question which he got it right. I personally do not

> > > know of

> > > > > > how many such correct predictions he has given; or his

> depth of

> > > the

> > > > > > understanding of the subject or his talent in vast field of

> > > Jyotish.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BTW what are the conditions and pre-qualifications

> necessary for

> > > > > > posting queries like the one that I did?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Vinay

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>

> <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>>

> > > <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>

> <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>>>

> > > > > s=97359714&grpId=16918584&grpspId=1600082690&msgI

> > > > > > d=580&stime=1153501110>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrashekhar,

 

The reason we get many commentaries for BPHS, at least is because it

exists in several versions. Different versions, Santhanam and Sharma

to quote two examples have different chapters and some material

missing from one entirely. The hindi editions also had differences if

I recall from some 25-30 years ago when I read those.

 

This is why I do not get too much hung up on the idea that what we

think as original BPHS is indeed the original or entirely undoctored

in later times.

 

RR

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini,

> Yes the brevity of language does render it open to different

> interpretations. This is more so as there are no punctuation marks

in

> Sanskrit.

> That perhaps is why we get many commentaries by the learned on any

classic.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

> crystal pages wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > Thanks for that insight into sanskrit. Not being a

sanskritologist it

> > is illuminating to hear from a sanskrit expert that the language

is

> > not as precise and black and white but itself is subject to

> > interpretation. Unfortunately, this makes the work even more

> > difficult since astrology itself is a language that is subject to

> > significant variable interpretations and several flavours and if

it

> > is written in sanskrit which itself is subject to interpretation

and

> > variable, that really makes it that more complex if not worse!

> >

> > Sadly. while this somewhat muddies the original meaning intended,

it

> > clarifies the general muddiness and multiple interpretations

> > prevailing in published literature from different authorities and

> > schools and so on!

> >

> > Thanks for your input!

> >

> > RR

> > <<Last time I felt -- my feet were still touching the ground

> > And the smell of first rains touching the soil was in my nose!>>

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini,

> > > Yes that shloka is translated like that. But it could also mean

> > that the

> > > Fame and kingdom of the father should be seen from the 10th

bhava.

> > This

> > > is because the 10th bhava is the Dhana (2nd) bhava for the 9th

> > bhava.

> > > One must remember that this adhyaaya follows shodashavargaviveka

> > > Adhyaaya. IN vedic shastras, as I was told by my father, one has

> > always

> > > to take into consideration what is stated earlier chapters,

before

> > > imputing meaning to what is said in later chapters. If you look

at

> > the

> > > Tanvaadi bhava sangyaas appearing in Shodashavarga vichar, the

fact

> > that

> > > one should look at the 9th bhava of father is very unambiguously

> > stated.

> > > He also says that similarly the 9th from Surya should be

analyzed

> > for

> > > father of the Jataka (Surya being the Karaka for father).

> > >

> > > It is said: "navame ca piturGYaanaM Suryaacca navamethavaa"

> > >

> > > Again if you go on to the specific results of the 9th bhava, as

I

> > said,

> > > then you will find that bhagyesha's strength or the strength of

> > bhagya

> > > bhava (9th) is given as a condition of the prosperity of the

father

> > of

> > > the jataka.

> > >

> > > You are right when you say that Pitrupada is mentioned in the

> > commentary

> > > and not in the shloka. But the shloka indicates reference to

> > tanvaadi

> > > bhava as said by the Sage, earlier, are to be referred and that

the

> > > bhavaarudha padas are to be so referred.

> > >

> > > I trust you will find this in order.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > In chapter 13 (bhavavivekadhyaya), please review slokas 11

(10th

> > > > house) and sloka 10 (9th house) and you will see 'father' been

> > > > specifically mentioned with 10th house, not ninth.

> > > > Also, in chapter 31, the padas, at least in the Sharma

version,

> > the

> > > > first three slokas describe how to determine padas,

generically,

> > the

> > > > next 3 slokas describe the special situation when padas fall

in

> > > > certain houses. After the 3rd sloka there is a long

commentary by

> > > > Sharma in which he names the specific padas and as you

mentioned

> > > > calls the pada of 9th house as pitripada. However, Parashara's

> > slokas

> > > > do not mentions the individual padas. Please review and let me

> > have

> > > > your comments.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohini,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think BPHS mentions the indications of father in the

effects

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > Dharma (9th bhava). Again in Chapter on Padas he gives the

name

> > > > > Pitrupada to the arudha of the 9th bhava.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BPHS associates father with the 10th, not the 9th.

> > > > > > Guru is one of the five fathers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, "sreeram

srinivas"

> > > > > > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sri K.N. Rao does consider the 4H for formal education

& 5H

> > for

> > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > studies.....here there seems to be minor divide between

> > South &

> > > > > > North way of

> > > > > > > looking at this houses for education. Similarly when 4H

is

> > for

> > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > then 10H should be for father....yet, we seems to

consider

> > 9H

> > > > for

> > > > > > > father....those days of father teaching the son on the

> > tricks of

> > > > > > the trade (

> > > > > > > career ).....( carpenter son is a carpenter or a

Panditji

> > son

> > > > is a

> > > > > > Pandit-

> > > > > > > theory or belief or convention of those days ).... does

not

> > > > seem to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > relevant today as in today's scenario Father & Son

together

> > sit

> > > > > > together to

> > > > > > > enjoy vices like " smoking or drinking".or Mother &

Daughter

> > > > > > competing in

> > > > > > > making fashion statements !!....etc. where is the

question

> > of

> > > > > > father being

> > > > > > > a guru ?? ( in a broad sense )......technically 9H is

> > supposed

> > > > to

> > > > > > be for

> > > > > > > Guru......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > While some consider Jupiter or Venus for marriage...(

> > depending

> > > > upon

> > > > > > > gender)....there are some well known successful astros

who

> > > > > > consider Mars

> > > > > > > for marriage for valid reasons....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any answers from those who often tempted to "move"

> > or "rotate"

> > > > the

> > > > > > lagna or

> > > > > > > planets or a single planet degrees ( in some cases )

even

> > when

> > > > > > someone is

> > > > > > > confirming the birth time..... I have keenly observed

even

> > Sri

> > > > K.N.

> > > > > > Rao has

> > > > > > > been rectifying the birth time of Mr. Amitabh Bachan

from

> > 14:54

> > > > hrs

> > > > > > to 15:30

> > > > > > > hrs in his analysis ( refer the printed articles in

Journal

> > of

> > > > > > Astrology )

> > > > > > > and the ones that used in the highly published telecast

on

> > > > Indian

> > > > > > Aaj Tak

> > > > > > > Channel on Sundays. I know for sure that Mr. P. Kumar is

> > ardent

> > > > > > follower

> > > > > > > of Sri K.N. Rao like me....( would appreciate if you

could

> > > > correct

> > > > > > me on

> > > > > > > this ) as seen from his various posts from time to

time....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Similarly for the horoscope of Mr. Atal Behari

> > > > > > Vajpee.....case.. Doing

> > > > > > > or Fixing or "rotating" birth times to fix the known

events

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > an easy

> > > > > > > task and even astro_legends are still making those fine

> > > > > > tuning.....shows

> > > > > > > that there is some amount of research to be done in this

> > > > area......

> > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > one reaches such high mental states of reasoning....one

> > should

> > > > > > detest from

> > > > > > > correcting birth time by 9 minutes, when someone has

> > confirmed

> > > > the

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > data.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In one case - "Express Star Teller" magazine where the

given

> > > > birth

> > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > chart and to an extent analysis given on Mr. Lal

Krishnan

> > Advani

> > > > > > does not

> > > > > > > match......inspite of local time correction ( pre-

> > > > > > independence.....time

> > > > > > > zones....issues ) how correct it is done....in such

cases,

> > > > better

> > > > > > to ignore

> > > > > > > such cases than spending time......remember a

gentleman -

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > > > [nameisego@] often seen in VA forums ( I do not know

this

> > > > person,

> > > > > > > other his postings in the group) once declined to

comment or

> > > > waste

> > > > > > his time

> > > > > > > when someone gave him in the group a "authentic

horoscope"

> > of

> > > > child

> > > > > > born to

> > > > > > > Indian filmistar Mr. Hritik Roshan saying it does not

match

> > the

> > > > > > richness or

> > > > > > > popularity of his father !!! ( otherwise this was hotly

> > > > analysed or

> > > > > > > commented horoscope in VA forums )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with regards,

> > > > > > > sreeram srinivas

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > KNRaoJyotish

> > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > > [KNRaoJyotish

> > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>] On

> > > > > > > Behalf Of Vinay Kumar

> > > > > > > Friday, July 21, 2006 10:26 PM

> > > > > > > KNRaoJyotish

> > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40> <KNRaoJyotish%

> > > > 40>

> > > > > > > [KNRaoJyotish] Anwer to Question 2 - Attn: P.

Kumar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kumar,

> > > > > > > 4th house is the house of formal education. You can

refer

> > to any

> > > > > > > classic and it will say 4th house as the house of formal

> > > > education.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > do know that Sri KN Rao takes the 5th house as well

since

> > the

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > > house is the house of intelligence. It is not primarily

the

> > > > house of

> > > > > > > education but of ones intelligence which is so

important for

> > > > > > > education. So when the 5th house or the 5th lord is

strong

> > that

> > > > also

> > > > > > > furthers education. In this way the 5th can also be

used for

> > > > > > education

> > > > > > > and it is not wrong. Remember that a graha in the 5th

house

> > has

> > > > an

> > > > > > > argala (intervention) on the 4th house, meaning that for

> > good

> > > > > > > education (4th house) the 5th house of intelligence is

> > > > important. A

> > > > > > > benefic in the 5th (Mercury, Guru) is a boon for good

> > education.

> > > > > > Apart

> > > > > > > from this the 3rd house can be taken for education up

to the

> > > > basic

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > primary level. The 9th house can be taken for education

of

> > the

> > > > > > highest

> > > > > > > level, like Phd, doctorates etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Agreed that an instance or two of correct predictions

is not

> > > > enough,

> > > > > > > but at least Sreeram made a start. My compliments for

him

> > were

> > > > only

> > > > > > > for this question which he got it right. I personally

do not

> > > > know of

> > > > > > > how many such correct predictions he has given; or his

> > depth of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > understanding of the subject or his talent in vast

field of

> > > > Jyotish.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BTW what are the conditions and pre-qualifications

> > necessary for

> > > > > > > posting queries like the one that I did?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Vinay

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?

>

> > <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>>'>http://geo./serv?>>

> > > > <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>

> > <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>>'>http://geo./serv?>>>

> > > > > > s=97359714&grpId=16918584&grpspId=1600082690&msgI

> > > > > > > d=580&stime=1153501110>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini,

I was not referring to only the various editions of BPHS. There are more

than 5 commentaries on Brihat Jataka, including those by Bhattotpala and

Rudrabhatta. Same is the case with Jataka Parijata and many other texts

which were written down versions which do not have different shlokas.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

crystal pages wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

>

> The reason we get many commentaries for BPHS, at least is because it

> exists in several versions. Different versions, Santhanam and Sharma

> to quote two examples have different chapters and some material

> missing from one entirely. The hindi editions also had differences if

> I recall from some 25-30 years ago when I read those.

>

> This is why I do not get too much hung up on the idea that what we

> think as original BPHS is indeed the original or entirely undoctored

> in later times.

>

> RR

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini,

> > Yes the brevity of language does render it open to different

> > interpretations. This is more so as there are no punctuation marks

> in

> > Sanskrit.

> > That perhaps is why we get many commentaries by the learned on any

> classic.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > crystal pages wrote:

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Thanks for that insight into sanskrit. Not being a

> sanskritologist it

> > > is illuminating to hear from a sanskrit expert that the language

> is

> > > not as precise and black and white but itself is subject to

> > > interpretation. Unfortunately, this makes the work even more

> > > difficult since astrology itself is a language that is subject to

> > > significant variable interpretations and several flavours and if

> it

> > > is written in sanskrit which itself is subject to interpretation

> and

> > > variable, that really makes it that more complex if not worse!

> > >

> > > Sadly. while this somewhat muddies the original meaning intended,

> it

> > > clarifies the general muddiness and multiple interpretations

> > > prevailing in published literature from different authorities and

> > > schools and so on!

> > >

> > > Thanks for your input!

> > >

> > > RR

> > > <<Last time I felt -- my feet were still touching the ground

> > > And the smell of first rains touching the soil was in my nose!>>

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohini,

> > > > Yes that shloka is translated like that. But it could also mean

> > > that the

> > > > Fame and kingdom of the father should be seen from the 10th

> bhava.

> > > This

> > > > is because the 10th bhava is the Dhana (2nd) bhava for the 9th

> > > bhava.

> > > > One must remember that this adhyaaya follows shodashavargaviveka

> > > > Adhyaaya. IN vedic shastras, as I was told by my father, one has

> > > always

> > > > to take into consideration what is stated earlier chapters,

> before

> > > > imputing meaning to what is said in later chapters. If you look

> at

> > > the

> > > > Tanvaadi bhava sangyaas appearing in Shodashavarga vichar, the

> fact

> > > that

> > > > one should look at the 9th bhava of father is very unambiguously

> > > stated.

> > > > He also says that similarly the 9th from Surya should be

> analyzed

> > > for

> > > > father of the Jataka (Surya being the Karaka for father).

> > > >

> > > > It is said: "navame ca piturGYaanaM Suryaacca navamethavaa"

> > > >

> > > > Again if you go on to the specific results of the 9th bhava, as

> I

> > > said,

> > > > then you will find that bhagyesha's strength or the strength of

> > > bhagya

> > > > bhava (9th) is given as a condition of the prosperity of the

> father

> > > of

> > > > the jataka.

> > > >

> > > > You are right when you say that Pitrupada is mentioned in the

> > > commentary

> > > > and not in the shloka. But the shloka indicates reference to

> > > tanvaadi

> > > > bhava as said by the Sage, earlier, are to be referred and that

> the

> > > > bhavaarudha padas are to be so referred.

> > > >

> > > > I trust you will find this in order.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > In chapter 13 (bhavavivekadhyaya), please review slokas 11

> (10th

> > > > > house) and sloka 10 (9th house) and you will see 'father' been

> > > > > specifically mentioned with 10th house, not ninth.

> > > > > Also, in chapter 31, the padas, at least in the Sharma

> version,

> > > the

> > > > > first three slokas describe how to determine padas,

> generically,

> > > the

> > > > > next 3 slokas describe the special situation when padas fall

> in

> > > > > certain houses. After the 3rd sloka there is a long

> commentary by

> > > > > Sharma in which he names the specific padas and as you

> mentioned

> > > > > calls the pada of 9th house as pitripada. However, Parashara's

> > > slokas

> > > > > do not mentions the individual padas. Please review and let me

> > > have

> > > > > your comments.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohini,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think BPHS mentions the indications of father in the

> effects

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Dharma (9th bhava). Again in Chapter on Padas he gives the

> name

> > > > > > Pitrupada to the arudha of the 9th bhava.

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BPHS associates father with the 10th, not the 9th.

> > > > > > > Guru is one of the five fathers.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, "sreeram

> srinivas"

> > > > > > > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sri K.N. Rao does consider the 4H for formal education

> & 5H

> > > for

> > > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > > studies.....here there seems to be minor divide between

> > > South &

> > > > > > > North way of

> > > > > > > > looking at this houses for education. Similarly when 4H

> is

> > > for

> > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > then 10H should be for father....yet, we seems to

> consider

> > > 9H

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > father....those days of father teaching the son on the

> > > tricks of

> > > > > > > the trade (

> > > > > > > > career ).....( carpenter son is a carpenter or a

> Panditji

> > > son

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > Pandit-

> > > > > > > > theory or belief or convention of those days ).... does

> not

> > > > > seem to

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > relevant today as in today's scenario Father & Son

> together

> > > sit

> > > > > > > together to

> > > > > > > > enjoy vices like " smoking or drinking".or Mother &

> Daughter

> > > > > > > competing in

> > > > > > > > making fashion statements !!....etc. where is the

> question

> > > of

> > > > > > > father being

> > > > > > > > a guru ?? ( in a broad sense )......technically 9H is

> > > supposed

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be for

> > > > > > > > Guru......

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > While some consider Jupiter or Venus for marriage...(

> > > depending

> > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > gender)....there are some well known successful astros

> who

> > > > > > > consider Mars

> > > > > > > > for marriage for valid reasons....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any answers from those who often tempted to "move"

> > > or "rotate"

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > lagna or

> > > > > > > > planets or a single planet degrees ( in some cases )

> even

> > > when

> > > > > > > someone is

> > > > > > > > confirming the birth time..... I have keenly observed

> even

> > > Sri

> > > > > K.N.

> > > > > > > Rao has

> > > > > > > > been rectifying the birth time of Mr. Amitabh Bachan

> from

> > > 14:54

> > > > > hrs

> > > > > > > to 15:30

> > > > > > > > hrs in his analysis ( refer the printed articles in

> Journal

> > > of

> > > > > > > Astrology )

> > > > > > > > and the ones that used in the highly published telecast

> on

> > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > Aaj Tak

> > > > > > > > Channel on Sundays. I know for sure that Mr. P. Kumar is

> > > ardent

> > > > > > > follower

> > > > > > > > of Sri K.N. Rao like me....( would appreciate if you

> could

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > me on

> > > > > > > > this ) as seen from his various posts from time to

> time....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Similarly for the horoscope of Mr. Atal Behari

> > > > > > > Vajpee.....case.. Doing

> > > > > > > > or Fixing or "rotating" birth times to fix the known

> events

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > an easy

> > > > > > > > task and even astro_legends are still making those fine

> > > > > > > tuning.....shows

> > > > > > > > that there is some amount of research to be done in this

> > > > > area......

> > > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > one reaches such high mental states of reasoning....one

> > > should

> > > > > > > detest from

> > > > > > > > correcting birth time by 9 minutes, when someone has

> > > confirmed

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > data.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In one case - "Express Star Teller" magazine where the

> given

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > chart and to an extent analysis given on Mr. Lal

> Krishnan

> > > Advani

> > > > > > > does not

> > > > > > > > match......inspite of local time correction ( pre-

> > > > > > > independence.....time

> > > > > > > > zones....issues ) how correct it is done....in such

> cases,

> > > > > better

> > > > > > > to ignore

> > > > > > > > such cases than spending time......remember a

> gentleman -

> > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > > > > [nameisego@] often seen in VA forums ( I do not know

> this

> > > > > person,

> > > > > > > > other his postings in the group) once declined to

> comment or

> > > > > waste

> > > > > > > his time

> > > > > > > > when someone gave him in the group a "authentic

> horoscope"

> > > of

> > > > > child

> > > > > > > born to

> > > > > > > > Indian filmistar Mr. Hritik Roshan saying it does not

> match

> > > the

> > > > > > > richness or

> > > > > > > > popularity of his father !!! ( otherwise this was hotly

> > > > > analysed or

> > > > > > > > commented horoscope in VA forums )

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with regards,

> > > > > > > > sreeram srinivas

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > KNRaoJyotish

> <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > > > [KNRaoJyotish

> <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>] On

> > > > > > > > Behalf Of Vinay Kumar

> > > > > > > > Friday, July 21, 2006 10:26 PM

> > > > > > > > KNRaoJyotish

> <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40> <KNRaoJyotish%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > [KNRaoJyotish] Anwer to Question 2 - Attn: P.

> Kumar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Kumar,

> > > > > > > > 4th house is the house of formal education. You can

> refer

> > > to any

> > > > > > > > classic and it will say 4th house as the house of formal

> > > > > education.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > do know that Sri KN Rao takes the 5th house as well

> since

> > > the

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > house is the house of intelligence. It is not primarily

> the

> > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > education but of ones intelligence which is so

> important for

> > > > > > > > education. So when the 5th house or the 5th lord is

> strong

> > > that

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > furthers education. In this way the 5th can also be

> used for

> > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > and it is not wrong. Remember that a graha in the 5th

> house

> > > has

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > argala (intervention) on the 4th house, meaning that for

> > > good

> > > > > > > > education (4th house) the 5th house of intelligence is

> > > > > important. A

> > > > > > > > benefic in the 5th (Mercury, Guru) is a boon for good

> > > education.

> > > > > > > Apart

> > > > > > > > from this the 3rd house can be taken for education up

> to the

> > > > > basic

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > primary level. The 9th house can be taken for education

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > highest

> > > > > > > > level, like Phd, doctorates etc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Agreed that an instance or two of correct predictions

> is not

> > > > > enough,

> > > > > > > > but at least Sreeram made a start. My compliments for

> him

> > > were

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > > for this question which he got it right. I personally

> do not

> > > > > know of

> > > > > > > > how many such correct predictions he has given; or his

> > > depth of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > understanding of the subject or his talent in vast

> field of

> > > > > Jyotish.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BTW what are the conditions and pre-qualifications

> > > necessary for

> > > > > > > > posting queries like the one that I did?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Vinay

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>

> <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>

> >

> > > <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>

> <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>>>

> > > > > <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>

> <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>>

> > > <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>

> <http://geo./serv? <http://geo./serv?>>>>

> > > > > > > s=97359714&grpId=16918584&grpspId=1600082690&msgI

> > > > > > > > d=580&stime=1153501110>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrashekhar,

 

I understand that. I was talking about different parent versions of

BPHS with different arrangements which perhaps resulted in

differently arranged translations etc.

 

Anyway, let us work with what survived 'time' and hope that much of

it has not been touched by 'man'!

 

RR

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini,

> I was not referring to only the various editions of BPHS. There are

more

> than 5 commentaries on Brihat Jataka, including those by

Bhattotpala and

> Rudrabhatta. Same is the case with Jataka Parijata and many other

texts

> which were written down versions which do not have different

shlokas.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> crystal pages wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > The reason we get many commentaries for BPHS, at least is because

it

> > exists in several versions. Different versions, Santhanam and

Sharma

> > to quote two examples have different chapters and some material

> > missing from one entirely. The hindi editions also had

differences if

> > I recall from some 25-30 years ago when I read those.

> >

> > This is why I do not get too much hung up on the idea that what we

> > think as original BPHS is indeed the original or entirely

undoctored

> > in later times.

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini,

> > > Yes the brevity of language does render it open to different

> > > interpretations. This is more so as there are no punctuation

marks

> > in

> > > Sanskrit.

> > > That perhaps is why we get many commentaries by the learned on

any

> > classic.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for that insight into sanskrit. Not being a

> > sanskritologist it

> > > > is illuminating to hear from a sanskrit expert that the

language

> > is

> > > > not as precise and black and white but itself is subject to

> > > > interpretation. Unfortunately, this makes the work even more

> > > > difficult since astrology itself is a language that is

subject to

> > > > significant variable interpretations and several flavours and

if

> > it

> > > > is written in sanskrit which itself is subject to

interpretation

> > and

> > > > variable, that really makes it that more complex if not worse!

> > > >

> > > > Sadly. while this somewhat muddies the original meaning

intended,

> > it

> > > > clarifies the general muddiness and multiple interpretations

> > > > prevailing in published literature from different authorities

and

> > > > schools and so on!

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your input!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > > <<Last time I felt -- my feet were still touching the ground

> > > > And the smell of first rains touching the soil was in my nose!

>>

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohini,

> > > > > Yes that shloka is translated like that. But it could also

mean

> > > > that the

> > > > > Fame and kingdom of the father should be seen from the 10th

> > bhava.

> > > > This

> > > > > is because the 10th bhava is the Dhana (2nd) bhava for the

9th

> > > > bhava.

> > > > > One must remember that this adhyaaya follows

shodashavargaviveka

> > > > > Adhyaaya. IN vedic shastras, as I was told by my father,

one has

> > > > always

> > > > > to take into consideration what is stated earlier chapters,

> > before

> > > > > imputing meaning to what is said in later chapters. If you

look

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > Tanvaadi bhava sangyaas appearing in Shodashavarga vichar,

the

> > fact

> > > > that

> > > > > one should look at the 9th bhava of father is very

unambiguously

> > > > stated.

> > > > > He also says that similarly the 9th from Surya should be

> > analyzed

> > > > for

> > > > > father of the Jataka (Surya being the Karaka for father).

> > > > >

> > > > > It is said: "navame ca piturGYaanaM Suryaacca navamethavaa"

> > > > >

> > > > > Again if you go on to the specific results of the 9th

bhava, as

> > I

> > > > said,

> > > > > then you will find that bhagyesha's strength or the

strength of

> > > > bhagya

> > > > > bhava (9th) is given as a condition of the prosperity of the

> > father

> > > > of

> > > > > the jataka.

> > > > >

> > > > > You are right when you say that Pitrupada is mentioned in

the

> > > > commentary

> > > > > and not in the shloka. But the shloka indicates reference to

> > > > tanvaadi

> > > > > bhava as said by the Sage, earlier, are to be referred and

that

> > the

> > > > > bhavaarudha padas are to be so referred.

> > > > >

> > > > > I trust you will find this in order.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In chapter 13 (bhavavivekadhyaya), please review slokas 11

> > (10th

> > > > > > house) and sloka 10 (9th house) and you will see 'father'

been

> > > > > > specifically mentioned with 10th house, not ninth.

> > > > > > Also, in chapter 31, the padas, at least in the Sharma

> > version,

> > > > the

> > > > > > first three slokas describe how to determine padas,

> > generically,

> > > > the

> > > > > > next 3 slokas describe the special situation when padas

fall

> > in

> > > > > > certain houses. After the 3rd sloka there is a long

> > commentary by

> > > > > > Sharma in which he names the specific padas and as you

> > mentioned

> > > > > > calls the pada of 9th house as pitripada. However,

Parashara's

> > > > slokas

> > > > > > do not mentions the individual padas. Please review and

let me

> > > > have

> > > > > > your comments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rohini,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think BPHS mentions the indications of father in the

> > effects

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > Dharma (9th bhava). Again in Chapter on Padas he gives

the

> > name

> > > > > > > Pitrupada to the arudha of the 9th bhava.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BPHS associates father with the 10th, not the 9th.

> > > > > > > > Guru is one of the five fathers.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, "sreeram

> > srinivas"

> > > > > > > > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sri K.N. Rao does consider the 4H for formal

education

> > & 5H

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > > > studies.....here there seems to be minor divide

between

> > > > South &

> > > > > > > > North way of

> > > > > > > > > looking at this houses for education. Similarly

when 4H

> > is

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > then 10H should be for father....yet, we seems to

> > consider

> > > > 9H

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > father....those days of father teaching the son on

the

> > > > tricks of

> > > > > > > > the trade (

> > > > > > > > > career ).....( carpenter son is a carpenter or a

> > Panditji

> > > > son

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > Pandit-

> > > > > > > > > theory or belief or convention of those days )....

does

> > not

> > > > > > seem to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > relevant today as in today's scenario Father & Son

> > together

> > > > sit

> > > > > > > > together to

> > > > > > > > > enjoy vices like " smoking or drinking".or Mother &

> > Daughter

> > > > > > > > competing in

> > > > > > > > > making fashion statements !!....etc. where is the

> > question

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > father being

> > > > > > > > > a guru ?? ( in a broad sense )......technically 9H

is

> > > > supposed

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be for

> > > > > > > > > Guru......

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > While some consider Jupiter or Venus for marriage...

(

> > > > depending

> > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > > gender)....there are some well known successful

astros

> > who

> > > > > > > > consider Mars

> > > > > > > > > for marriage for valid reasons....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Any answers from those who often tempted to "move"

> > > > or "rotate"

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > lagna or

> > > > > > > > > planets or a single planet degrees ( in some cases )

> > even

> > > > when

> > > > > > > > someone is

> > > > > > > > > confirming the birth time..... I have keenly

observed

> > even

> > > > Sri

> > > > > > K.N.

> > > > > > > > Rao has

> > > > > > > > > been rectifying the birth time of Mr. Amitabh Bachan

> > from

> > > > 14:54

> > > > > > hrs

> > > > > > > > to 15:30

> > > > > > > > > hrs in his analysis ( refer the printed articles in

> > Journal

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Astrology )

> > > > > > > > > and the ones that used in the highly published

telecast

> > on

> > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > Aaj Tak

> > > > > > > > > Channel on Sundays. I know for sure that Mr. P.

Kumar is

> > > > ardent

> > > > > > > > follower

> > > > > > > > > of Sri K.N. Rao like me....( would appreciate if you

> > could

> > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > me on

> > > > > > > > > this ) as seen from his various posts from time to

> > time....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Similarly for the horoscope of Mr. Atal Behari

> > > > > > > > Vajpee.....case.. Doing

> > > > > > > > > or Fixing or "rotating" birth times to fix the known

> > events

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > an easy

> > > > > > > > > task and even astro_legends are still making those

fine

> > > > > > > > tuning.....shows

> > > > > > > > > that there is some amount of research to be done in

this

> > > > > > area......

> > > > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > > one reaches such high mental states of

reasoning....one

> > > > should

> > > > > > > > detest from

> > > > > > > > > correcting birth time by 9 minutes, when someone has

> > > > confirmed

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > data.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In one case - "Express Star Teller" magazine where

the

> > given

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > chart and to an extent analysis given on Mr. Lal

> > Krishnan

> > > > Advani

> > > > > > > > does not

> > > > > > > > > match......inspite of local time correction ( pre-

> > > > > > > > independence.....time

> > > > > > > > > zones....issues ) how correct it is done....in such

> > cases,

> > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > to ignore

> > > > > > > > > such cases than spending time......remember a

> > gentleman -

> > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > > > > > [nameisego@] often seen in VA forums ( I do not know

> > this

> > > > > > person,

> > > > > > > > > other his postings in the group) once declined to

> > comment or

> > > > > > waste

> > > > > > > > his time

> > > > > > > > > when someone gave him in the group a "authentic

> > horoscope"

> > > > of

> > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > born to

> > > > > > > > > Indian filmistar Mr. Hritik Roshan saying it does

not

> > match

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > richness or

> > > > > > > > > popularity of his father !!! ( otherwise this was

hotly

> > > > > > analysed or

> > > > > > > > > commented horoscope in VA forums )

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with regards,

> > > > > > > > > sreeram srinivas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > KNRaoJyotish

> > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > > > > [KNRaoJyotish

> > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>] On

> > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Vinay Kumar

> > > > > > > > > Friday, July 21, 2006 10:26 PM

> > > > > > > > > KNRaoJyotish

> > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

<KNRaoJyotish%

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > [KNRaoJyotish] Anwer to Question 2 - Attn:

P.

> > Kumar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Kumar,

> > > > > > > > > 4th house is the house of formal education. You can

> > refer

> > > > to any

> > > > > > > > > classic and it will say 4th house as the house of

formal

> > > > > > education.

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > do know that Sri KN Rao takes the 5th house as well

> > since

> > > > the

> > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > house is the house of intelligence. It is not

primarily

> > the

> > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > education but of ones intelligence which is so

> > important for

> > > > > > > > > education. So when the 5th house or the 5th lord is

> > strong

> > > > that

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > furthers education. In this way the 5th can also be

> > used for

> > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > and it is not wrong. Remember that a graha in the

5th

> > house

> > > > has

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > argala (intervention) on the 4th house, meaning

that for

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > > education (4th house) the 5th house of intelligence

is

> > > > > > important. A

> > > > > > > > > benefic in the 5th (Mercury, Guru) is a boon for

good

> > > > education.

> > > > > > > > Apart

> > > > > > > > > from this the 3rd house can be taken for education

up

> > to the

> > > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > primary level. The 9th house can be taken for

education

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > highest

> > > > > > > > > level, like Phd, doctorates etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Agreed that an instance or two of correct

predictions

> > is not

> > > > > > enough,

> > > > > > > > > but at least Sreeram made a start. My compliments

for

> > him

> > > > were

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > for this question which he got it right. I

personally

> > do not

> > > > > > know of

> > > > > > > > > how many such correct predictions he has given; or

his

> > > > depth of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > understanding of the subject or his talent in vast

> > field of

> > > > > > Jyotish.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BTW what are the conditions and pre-qualifications

> > > > necessary for

> > > > > > > > > posting queries like the one that I did?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Vinay

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini,

You are right. As I understand some editions were created by collecting

the shlokas from Pandits that remembered them and some are from

manuscripts of BPHS that were discovered at different places. Perhaps

that is the reason for the difference in the shlokas and the order of

chapters.

 

I agree that we should work with what has survived time and try to

accept that which is in line with principles given in other texts and

try to find out if there is any astrological logic in those shlokas that

do not appear to stand the test of logical application of such logic.

Chandrashekhar.

 

crystal pages wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

>

> I understand that. I was talking about different parent versions of

> BPHS with different arrangements which perhaps resulted in

> differently arranged translations etc.

>

> Anyway, let us work with what survived 'time' and hope that much of

> it has not been touched by 'man'!

>

> RR

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini,

> > I was not referring to only the various editions of BPHS. There are

> more

> > than 5 commentaries on Brihat Jataka, including those by

> Bhattotpala and

> > Rudrabhatta. Same is the case with Jataka Parijata and many other

> texts

> > which were written down versions which do not have different

> shlokas.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > crystal pages wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > The reason we get many commentaries for BPHS, at least is because

> it

> > > exists in several versions. Different versions, Santhanam and

> Sharma

> > > to quote two examples have different chapters and some material

> > > missing from one entirely. The hindi editions also had

> differences if

> > > I recall from some 25-30 years ago when I read those.

> > >

> > > This is why I do not get too much hung up on the idea that what we

> > > think as original BPHS is indeed the original or entirely

> undoctored

> > > in later times.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohini,

> > > > Yes the brevity of language does render it open to different

> > > > interpretations. This is more so as there are no punctuation

> marks

> > > in

> > > > Sanskrit.

> > > > That perhaps is why we get many commentaries by the learned on

> any

> > > classic.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for that insight into sanskrit. Not being a

> > > sanskritologist it

> > > > > is illuminating to hear from a sanskrit expert that the

> language

> > > is

> > > > > not as precise and black and white but itself is subject to

> > > > > interpretation. Unfortunately, this makes the work even more

> > > > > difficult since astrology itself is a language that is

> subject to

> > > > > significant variable interpretations and several flavours and

> if

> > > it

> > > > > is written in sanskrit which itself is subject to

> interpretation

> > > and

> > > > > variable, that really makes it that more complex if not worse!

> > > > >

> > > > > Sadly. while this somewhat muddies the original meaning

> intended,

> > > it

> > > > > clarifies the general muddiness and multiple interpretations

> > > > > prevailing in published literature from different authorities

> and

> > > > > schools and so on!

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for your input!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > > <<Last time I felt -- my feet were still touching the ground

> > > > > And the smell of first rains touching the soil was in my nose!

> >>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohini,

> > > > > > Yes that shloka is translated like that. But it could also

> mean

> > > > > that the

> > > > > > Fame and kingdom of the father should be seen from the 10th

> > > bhava.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > is because the 10th bhava is the Dhana (2nd) bhava for the

> 9th

> > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > One must remember that this adhyaaya follows

> shodashavargaviveka

> > > > > > Adhyaaya. IN vedic shastras, as I was told by my father,

> one has

> > > > > always

> > > > > > to take into consideration what is stated earlier chapters,

> > > before

> > > > > > imputing meaning to what is said in later chapters. If you

> look

> > > at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Tanvaadi bhava sangyaas appearing in Shodashavarga vichar,

> the

> > > fact

> > > > > that

> > > > > > one should look at the 9th bhava of father is very

> unambiguously

> > > > > stated.

> > > > > > He also says that similarly the 9th from Surya should be

> > > analyzed

> > > > > for

> > > > > > father of the Jataka (Surya being the Karaka for father).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is said: "navame ca piturGYaanaM Suryaacca navamethavaa"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Again if you go on to the specific results of the 9th

> bhava, as

> > > I

> > > > > said,

> > > > > > then you will find that bhagyesha's strength or the

> strength of

> > > > > bhagya

> > > > > > bhava (9th) is given as a condition of the prosperity of the

> > > father

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the jataka.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are right when you say that Pitrupada is mentioned in

> the

> > > > > commentary

> > > > > > and not in the shloka. But the shloka indicates reference to

> > > > > tanvaadi

> > > > > > bhava as said by the Sage, earlier, are to be referred and

> that

> > > the

> > > > > > bhavaarudha padas are to be so referred.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I trust you will find this in order.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In chapter 13 (bhavavivekadhyaya), please review slokas 11

> > > (10th

> > > > > > > house) and sloka 10 (9th house) and you will see 'father'

> been

> > > > > > > specifically mentioned with 10th house, not ninth.

> > > > > > > Also, in chapter 31, the padas, at least in the Sharma

> > > version,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > first three slokas describe how to determine padas,

> > > generically,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > next 3 slokas describe the special situation when padas

> fall

> > > in

> > > > > > > certain houses. After the 3rd sloka there is a long

> > > commentary by

> > > > > > > Sharma in which he names the specific padas and as you

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > > calls the pada of 9th house as pitripada. However,

> Parashara's

> > > > > slokas

> > > > > > > do not mentions the individual padas. Please review and

> let me

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > your comments.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rohini,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think BPHS mentions the indications of father in the

> > > effects

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Dharma (9th bhava). Again in Chapter on Padas he gives

> the

> > > name

> > > > > > > > Pitrupada to the arudha of the 9th bhava.

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BPHS associates father with the 10th, not the 9th.

> > > > > > > > > Guru is one of the five fathers.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>, "sreeram

> > > srinivas"

> > > > > > > > > <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sri K.N. Rao does consider the 4H for formal

> education

> > > & 5H

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > > > > studies.....here there seems to be minor divide

> between

> > > > > South &

> > > > > > > > > North way of

> > > > > > > > > > looking at this houses for education. Similarly

> when 4H

> > > is

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > mother,

> > > > > > > > > > then 10H should be for father....yet, we seems to

> > > consider

> > > > > 9H

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > father....those days of father teaching the son on

> the

> > > > > tricks of

> > > > > > > > > the trade (

> > > > > > > > > > career ).....( carpenter son is a carpenter or a

> > > Panditji

> > > > > son

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > Pandit-

> > > > > > > > > > theory or belief or convention of those days )....

> does

> > > not

> > > > > > > seem to

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > relevant today as in today's scenario Father & Son

> > > together

> > > > > sit

> > > > > > > > > together to

> > > > > > > > > > enjoy vices like " smoking or drinking".or Mother &

> > > Daughter

> > > > > > > > > competing in

> > > > > > > > > > making fashion statements !!....etc. where is the

> > > question

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > father being

> > > > > > > > > > a guru ?? ( in a broad sense )......technically 9H

> is

> > > > > supposed

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > be for

> > > > > > > > > > Guru......

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > While some consider Jupiter or Venus for marriage...

> (

> > > > > depending

> > > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > > > gender)....there are some well known successful

> astros

> > > who

> > > > > > > > > consider Mars

> > > > > > > > > > for marriage for valid reasons....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Any answers from those who often tempted to "move"

> > > > > or "rotate"

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lagna or

> > > > > > > > > > planets or a single planet degrees ( in some cases )

> > > even

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > someone is

> > > > > > > > > > confirming the birth time..... I have keenly

> observed

> > > even

> > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > K.N.

> > > > > > > > > Rao has

> > > > > > > > > > been rectifying the birth time of Mr. Amitabh Bachan

> > > from

> > > > > 14:54

> > > > > > > hrs

> > > > > > > > > to 15:30

> > > > > > > > > > hrs in his analysis ( refer the printed articles in

> > > Journal

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Astrology )

> > > > > > > > > > and the ones that used in the highly published

> telecast

> > > on

> > > > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > Aaj Tak

> > > > > > > > > > Channel on Sundays. I know for sure that Mr. P.

> Kumar is

> > > > > ardent

> > > > > > > > > follower

> > > > > > > > > > of Sri K.N. Rao like me....( would appreciate if you

> > > could

> > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > me on

> > > > > > > > > > this ) as seen from his various posts from time to

> > > time....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Similarly for the horoscope of Mr. Atal Behari

> > > > > > > > > Vajpee.....case.. Doing

> > > > > > > > > > or Fixing or "rotating" birth times to fix the known

> > > events

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > an easy

> > > > > > > > > > task and even astro_legends are still making those

> fine

> > > > > > > > > tuning.....shows

> > > > > > > > > > that there is some amount of research to be done in

> this

> > > > > > > area......

> > > > > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > > > one reaches such high mental states of

> reasoning....one

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > detest from

> > > > > > > > > > correcting birth time by 9 minutes, when someone has

> > > > > confirmed

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > data.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In one case - "Express Star Teller" magazine where

> the

> > > given

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > time,

> > > > > > > > > > chart and to an extent analysis given on Mr. Lal

> > > Krishnan

> > > > > Advani

> > > > > > > > > does not

> > > > > > > > > > match......inspite of local time correction ( pre-

> > > > > > > > > independence.....time

> > > > > > > > > > zones....issues ) how correct it is done....in such

> > > cases,

> > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > to ignore

> > > > > > > > > > such cases than spending time......remember a

> > > gentleman -

> > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > > > > > > [nameisego@] often seen in VA forums ( I do not know

> > > this

> > > > > > > person,

> > > > > > > > > > other his postings in the group) once declined to

> > > comment or

> > > > > > > waste

> > > > > > > > > his time

> > > > > > > > > > when someone gave him in the group a "authentic

> > > horoscope"

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > child

> > > > > > > > > born to

> > > > > > > > > > Indian filmistar Mr. Hritik Roshan saying it does

> not

> > > match

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > richness or

> > > > > > > > > > popularity of his father !!! ( otherwise this was

> hotly

> > > > > > > analysed or

> > > > > > > > > > commented horoscope in VA forums )

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > with regards,

> > > > > > > > > > sreeram srinivas

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > _____

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > KNRaoJyotish

> <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

> > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>

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> > > > > > > > > <KNRaoJyotish%40>] On

> > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Vinay Kumar

> > > > > > > > > > Friday, July 21, 2006 10:26 PM

> > > > > > > > > > KNRaoJyotish

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> > > > > > > > > > [KNRaoJyotish] Anwer to Question 2 - Attn:

> P.

> > > Kumar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kumar,

> > > > > > > > > > 4th house is the house of formal education. You can

> > > refer

> > > > > to any

> > > > > > > > > > classic and it will say 4th house as the house of

> formal

> > > > > > > education.

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > do know that Sri KN Rao takes the 5th house as well

> > > since

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house is the house of intelligence. It is not

> primarily

> > > the

> > > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > > education but of ones intelligence which is so

> > > important for

> > > > > > > > > > education. So when the 5th house or the 5th lord is

> > > strong

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > furthers education. In this way the 5th can also be

> > > used for

> > > > > > > > > education

> > > > > > > > > > and it is not wrong. Remember that a graha in the

> 5th

> > > house

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > argala (intervention) on the 4th house, meaning

> that for

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > education (4th house) the 5th house of intelligence

> is

> > > > > > > important. A

> > > > > > > > > > benefic in the 5th (Mercury, Guru) is a boon for

> good

> > > > > education.

> > > > > > > > > Apart

> > > > > > > > > > from this the 3rd house can be taken for education

> up

> > > to the

> > > > > > > basic

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > primary level. The 9th house can be taken for

> education

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > highest

> > > > > > > > > > level, like Phd, doctorates etc.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Agreed that an instance or two of correct

> predictions

> > > is not

> > > > > > > enough,

> > > > > > > > > > but at least Sreeram made a start. My compliments

> for

> > > him

> > > > > were

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > for this question which he got it right. I

> personally

> > > do not

> > > > > > > know of

> > > > > > > > > > how many such correct predictions he has given; or

> his

> > > > > depth of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > understanding of the subject or his talent in vast

> > > field of

> > > > > > > Jyotish.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > BTW what are the conditions and pre-qualifications

> > > > > necessary for

> > > > > > > > > > posting queries like the one that I did?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Vinay

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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