Shalagram Shila - what is your RASA? + Does Hell exist?

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Dear Amit,

 

I agree with what you have said. It is our own karmas coming to fruit.

One of my Gurudev told that "if you want a direct experience of

Krishna, then just taste some pure water, because Krishna says,

raso-aham apsu."

 

But your statement that there is no hell or heaven is questionable. I

just finished reading Srimad Bhagavat Panca Skanda which describes the

different hells, and says - "SB 5.26.4: King Pariksit inquired from

Sukadeva Gosvami: My dear lord, are the hellish regions outside the

universe, within the covering of the universe, or in different places

on this planet?

 

SB 5.26.5: The great sage Sukadeva Gosvami answered: All the hellish

planets are situated in the intermediate space between the three worlds

and the Garbhodaka Ocean. They lie on the southern side of the

universe, beneath Bhumanadala, and slightly above the water of the

Garbhodaka Ocean. Pitriloka is also located in this region between the

Garbhodaka Ocean and the lower planetary systems

 

---So this clearly states that there are hellish regons "outside" of

this planet. Of course there are more than enough hellish situations in

this very world. But according to Srimad Bhagavat Puranam, Narak does

exist.

 

Best rgds,

Richard

 

sacred-objects, "amit uniyal" <devshoppe

wrote:

>

> Well said Richard ji,

> I believe that what so ever will be done by heart( not for show off

> purposes)..will be listened.

> God doesnt says...do this for me ..do that for me....so, i dont

> think any1 shud be too curious abt rules and regulations.I also do

> simple puja and what so ever good or bad will happen...will be bcoz

> of my karmas...not bcoz of my pujas ( or mistakes done while doing

> pujas)....there is no heaven...no hell.....what so ever is ...its

> here....we all face problems,sorrows,tensions as per our karmas..

> Anyways...this is only my openion....

> thanks

> amit uniyal

>

>

>

>

>

> sacred-objects, Richard Shaw Brown

> <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I have always heard that there will be problems if a women

> worships and

> > touches a Shalagram. Except when a women is old (stopped mense)

> and is

> > a Vaishnava it is possible. Otherwise except in emergency women

> should

> > not directly touch Shalagram. But I don't think that makes God

> unhappy because unhappiness does not go where there is Sat-Chit-

> Ananda.

> >

> > In our home my wife cleans the puja ghar and prepares offerings,

> then I

> > do the final cleaning and puja. Once I had a knee operation and

> that

> > was emergency so my wife did the simple puja...that was emergency.

> >

> > From 1974 - 1983 I worshipped our Shalagram with all complicated

> vidhi

> > from Archan Paddati and it would take 2-3 hours. When traveling it

> was

> > a nightmare trying to do puja in a hotel room... and no fresh

> Tulasi,

> > flowers, etc. And so, being busy, I handed over my Shalagram to one

> > Brahmin to care for me about 1984. Then I moved to Thailand in

> 1986. In

> > 1987 I went back to the USA and got my Shila from the Brahmin, and

> > brought to Thailand. At that point I had a choice to make... is

> > Bhagavan an angry monster, or is Bhagavan my FRIEND. I decided to

> > simplify my puja so I could travel too. Since then Sri Lakshmi

> Shank

> > came to join Him.

> >

> > If one thinks that "God is angry!He is impatient!" or "will

> punish

> > me for simple mistake" or "Bhagavan is unhappy with us", or

> Bhagavan is

> > a scary KING, Very Moody, and hard to please, grumpy old God...

> well, I

> > heard that Bhagavan was "atma-arama" or always blissful. Never

> suffers

> > on any account. Anger is a form of suffering, so is impatence, but

> > Bhagavan is not like us, badha jiva. He is not in need of our

> puja, and

> > He doesn't benefit from our puja. And even to perform the puja is

> for

> > our own benefit. Zillions of mukta Purushas are worshipping God on

> > every level, and still he doesn't feel elated. He is just

> accepting out

> > of kindness. Some people are fearful of Bhagavan, some prefer to

> love

> > him.

> >

> > Lord Krishna Himself gave the requirement as pushpam patram phalam

> > toyam --- only a flower, a (tulasi) leaf, (Ganga) pani, and fresh

> > fruit. That is stated by Bhagavan. So more than that is extra, for

> our

> > own satisfaction, and Bhagavan is always "atmaram." Even the

> muslims

> > smash a Deity of Bhagavan or a shila is broken... STILL, Bhagavan

> is

> > ATMARAM.

> >

> > Besides that, even people who never heard of Shalagram they still

> have

> > both bad luck and good luck, same as any Shalagram Bhakta. So

> Shalagram

> > can be praised as cause of our good luck, but never the cause of

> our

> > bad luck. Shalagram is all-beautious and dayamoy, He is not some

> grumpy

> > old man demanding careful worship, or else He is angry. That

> doesn't

> > make sense if He is Atmaram. God doesn't suffer. And He is not the

> > cause of our suffering.

> >

> > The real point is... do we treat Bhagavan as KING ALMIGHTY in dasya

> > rati? Or do we serve Him as all-sweet and self-satisfied Friend in

> > Shakya rasa? Those in Dasya live in fear of God; those in Shakya

> live

> > in happiness with God. So it is a matter of Bhakti-Rasa.

> >

> > Some people will quote this Shastra and that shastra, to "prove"

> that Bhagavan gets unhappy and is impatient. But I don't see it that

> way. Anyway, this is just my opinion.

> >

> > Best rgds,

> > Richard

> >

>

 

--- amit uniyal <devshoppe > wrote:

 

> Well said Richard ji,

> I believe that what so ever will be done by heart( not for show off

> purposes)..will be listened.

> God doesnt says...do this for me ..do that for me....so, i dont

> think any1 shud be too curious abt rules and regulations.I also do

> simple puja and what so ever good or bad will happen...will be bcoz

> of my karmas...not bcoz of my pujas ( or mistakes done while doing

> pujas)....there is no heaven...no hell.....what so ever is ...its

> here....we all face problems,sorrows,tensions as per our karmas..

> Anyways...this is only my openion....

> thanks

> amit uniyal

>

>

>

>

>

> sacred-objects, Richard Shaw Brown

> <rsbj66 wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I have always heard that there will be problems if a women

> worships and

> > touches a Shalagram. Except when a women is old (stopped mense)

> and is

> > a Vaishnava it is possible. Otherwise except in emergency women

> should

> > not directly touch Shalagram. But I don't think that makes God

> unhappy because unhappiness does not go where there is Sat-Chit-

> Ananda.

> >

> > In our home my wife cleans the puja ghar and prepares offerings,

> then I

> > do the final cleaning and puja. Once I had a knee operation and

> that

> > was emergency so my wife did the simple puja...that was emergency.

> >

> > From 1974 - 1983 I worshipped our Shalagram with all complicated

> vidhi

> > from Archan Paddati and it would take 2-3 hours. When traveling it

> was

> > a nightmare trying to do puja in a hotel room... and no fresh

> Tulasi,

> > flowers, etc. And so, being busy, I handed over my Shalagram to one

> > Brahmin to care for me about 1984. Then I moved to Thailand in

> 1986. In

> > 1987 I went back to the USA and got my Shila from the Brahmin, and

> > brought to Thailand. At that point I had a choice to make... is

> > Bhagavan an angry monster, or is Bhagavan my FRIEND. I decided to

> > simplify my puja so I could travel too. Since then Sri Lakshmi

> Shank

> > came to join Him.

> >

> > If one thinks that "God is angry!He is impatient!" or "will

> punish

> > me for simple mistake" or "Bhagavan is unhappy with us", or

> Bhagavan is

> > a scary KING, Very Moody, and hard to please, grumpy old God...

> well, I

> > heard that Bhagavan was "atma-arama" or always blissful. Never

> suffers

> > on any account. Anger is a form of suffering, so is impatence, but

> > Bhagavan is not like us, badha jiva. He is not in need of our

> puja, and

> > He doesn't benefit from our puja. And even to perform the puja is

> for

> > our own benefit. Zillions of mukta Purushas are worshipping God on

> > every level, and still he doesn't feel elated. He is just

> accepting out

> > of kindness. Some people are fearful of Bhagavan, some prefer to

> love

> > him.

> >

> > Lord Krishna Himself gave the requirement as pushpam patram phalam

> > toyam --- only a flower, a (tulasi) leaf, (Ganga) pani, and fresh

> > fruit. That is stated by Bhagavan. So more than that is extra, for

> our

> > own satisfaction, and Bhagavan is always "atmaram." Even the

> muslims

> > smash a Deity of Bhagavan or a shila is broken... STILL, Bhagavan

> is

> > ATMARAM.

> >

> > Besides that, even people who never heard of Shalagram they still

> have

> > both bad luck and good luck, same as any Shalagram Bhakta. So

> Shalagram

> > can be praised as cause of our good luck, but never the cause of

> our

> > bad luck. Shalagram is all-beautious and dayamoy, He is not some

> grumpy

> > old man demanding careful worship, or else He is angry. That

> doesn't

> > make sense if He is Atmaram. God doesn't suffer. And He is not the

> > cause of our suffering.

> >

> > The real point is... do we treat Bhagavan as KING ALMIGHTY in dasya

> > rati? Or do we serve Him as all-sweet and self-satisfied Friend in

> > Shakya rasa? Those in Dasya live in fear of God; those in Shakya

> live

> > in happiness with God. So it is a matter of Bhakti-Rasa.

> >

> > Some people will quote this Shastra and that shastra, to "prove"

> that Bhagavan gets unhappy and is impatient. But I don't see it that

> way. Anyway, this is just my opinion.

> >

> > Best rgds,

> > Richard

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

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