Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Treat combustion ( for a moment ) as two planets coming together or overshadowed. We do not use the word combustion for Moon !! but say it is a samagam.....hence, when a planet combust, it "gives in" to Sun i.e. here I used the word "lustre or sheen' in my analysis. The point Mr. Vinay made is that combust planet effects the significations of the house it rules, is a astro_classic dictum. The other popular astro_principles are - "bhavat bhavam", any HL going away from itself the same number of houses, it improves the qualities of that houses. for example - LL in Lagna or 2HL placed in 3H ( 2H from 2H or itself).....8HL placed in 8H from itself......so on so forth. There are many combinations here and often one can end up with a book on this alone....consider 5HL in 9H ( 5HL is placed in 5H from itself ) & 5HL in 3H ( 5HL placed in 11H from itself ) = both have different meanings i.e. first case- children are educated, well behaved,...etc.. second case - poorva punya is strengthened, children would not listen to native,....now linking to career...a new set of analysis....5HL in 10H ( 5HL going to 6H from itself ) connects closely the education & career.probably, the native would apply his learned knowledge in his career.( differentiate between the two.....often seen in Indian context - engineer managing families hotel business or engineer managing family's engineering factory ).......one can go on on.........subject and context would define the meaning of the interpretation.....in all this cases..... Coming to your point 5H is 8H from 10H ( career), for any promotion or demotion,.......the 5H or 5HL has to generate a "trigger" good or bad depends upon the placements..... If one were to go by this an analogy with a twist or a spin.......a strong 5H is not good for career !!!! and vice-versa !!!! Then how come India's first Prime Minister Jawahar Lal Nehru's family clan .......kept surving occupying top positions......?????.......here the research findings of Sri K.N. Rao gives conclusive findings....his use of ashtakvarga here to explain is work of a living legend !!! now combine the principles enumerated in detail by another living legend Sri C.S. Patel in his books "Nadi & Navamsha Astrology" and his 4 other very related astro_must have books..... they have given the most original single handed contribution to vedic astrology in the recent times. Now coming to few more points when looking at the houses or related analysis Sri Santhanam always stressed to analyse the houses in pairs.....i.e. Lagna & 7H, 2H & 8H, 3H & 9H, 4H & 10H....etc... A troubled or afflicted 4H cannot give a proper or successful 10H !!! and this principles does go a long way...many new phenomenon comes into mental picture.....Here in this case ( Quiz-2 ) which has resulted in divided opinions between members......a successful 4H which has given excellent education...... DOES give a EQUALLY successful career ALSO !!!! Further, consider a case of young boy when left alone, will behave according to the instructions given to him by his mother who MAY NOT be physically present there ( one can also include father.....no discrimination is made here !!!). Similarly, a planet ( young boy) at certain degrees, is traced to a nakshatra and its nakshatra Lord ( mother or father ). This is what I meant by "remote control" - a very loose term used to convey a metaphor or a similie. When the child-mother relationship is strong or based on mutual true love...then the behavior is also EXACT to the given instructions. Venus ( Shukracharya ) is Guru of Rakshas group, while Rahu ( Rakshas group Commander ) is his pet student !!! When Rahu is in nakshatra of Venus or vice versa.....gives good results.... What if the child-mother relation is a troubled one....then the child behavior may deviate from given instructions......here in astrology consider this case as the nakshatra Lord placement is NOT ok or afflicted in a given horoscope. Hence, the net outcome is mixed one...in short....child does not comply with mother's instructions......child would behave based on his own instincts........how much deviation.....would again depend on transits....dasha system....ashtakvarga ..etc... This is the nakshatra method of astro_analysis....explained in utmost simplicity....kindly do not read between the lines to draw some new "daggers" of disagreement. Trust the heat over the Quiz -2, are "mostly" clarified.........can we now take it as closed or deeply buried in respective hearts/minds ???? & start some new interesting debates..........or discussions... with regards, sreeram srinivas sreeram64 (AT) satyam (DOT) net.in _____ KNRaoJyotish [KNRaoJyotish] On Behalf Of SPK Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:24 AM KNRaoJyotish Cc: jytotishgroup Re: [KNRaoJyotish] RE:Anwer to Question 2 - Manjunath Hello Srninasji, May be we are getting somewhere with the analysis. The point about debilited planets in 3-6-11 giving good results is well taken. I am still curious about the combustion part. Are you suggesting that combustion of guru makes guru even weaker. So being lord of 3rd and 6th house it gives even better results ? But then what about mercury ? It is combust too, but as you said some do not consider combustion of mercury as it is always very close to the Sun. Point about 8th house and 8th lord is well taken, and to break the old and new to begin 8th house of breaks can get involved. Whether the break is a good one or bad is still not an easy task. Thats why 5th house is looked for promotions as 5th is 8th from 10th. One has to break the old job to move ahead. Satish --- sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 (AT) satyam (DOT) <sreeram64%40satyam.net.in> net.in> wrote: > There are two schools of thought on horoscope > interpretation : > > First > Who view the birth chart for basic promises which > are "modified" or > "caliberated" with Varga positions that planets > obtain. In this case, this > school of thought consider Varga or divisional > charts as separate "charts" > and include aspects in their analysis.. Sri K.N. > Rao belongs to this > school of thought > > Second > This school "overlays" the varga positions of the > planets on to the birth > chart and then interpret accordingly. > Traditionalists & Astro_Stalwarts > like Sri Santhanam or Sri D.V. Subba Rao or Sri P.S. > Iyer (..to my > knowledge) support this line of thinking. > "Aspects in vargas" are > strictly NO No.... Going by this analogy > debilitated Jupiter is still in 4H > ( D-9 is overlaid on D-1 birth chart ) > > Just to stretch the topic further, in D-1, > (keeping 4H as focus ), 6HL > Jupiter is in 4H i.e. 3H from 4H....we all know that > 3H indicates ones > determinations, obstinatism....etc.., its coming to > 4H the house of > education...gives "dogged" determinism to the > native..... further, the > research findings learnt through my astro_gurus is > that in every important > event in life....there is a connection to 8H or 8HL > ( dasha or transists ). > Kindly test this principles on your individual > horoscopes and for I find it > working with good success. > > If one were to look to hindu mythologies, there > is no mention of the > "zodiac" or "lagna"......( in a very broad sense > )....the importance is > given to "muhurta" of an event traced to a > nakshatra.......for > prediction.....how & when the house system equal or > unequal or bhava madhya > ( sage sripathi system ) is a subject of great > intense debate. > > Further to make things complicated, the horoscope > interpretation can be > broadly based > First - on the planets and their relative positions > in vargas > Second - using the dispositor theory > Third - planets and their nakshatra lords > relationships...... > fourth - using planets in the horoscope without any > degrees being considered > ( nadi methods ) > fiveth - same as fourth + extensive use of transists > > What, When & How to apply this methods in isolation > or through combinations > or how much weightage to be given in each of this > case during their analysis > is a subject of research. Some seems to give > importance to transist > position of planets, others Dasha periods + > transits, dasha periods + > ashtakvarga + transists..... I am sure many > astro_members have their own > derived methods based on above lines......possibly > very few or rare to find > people who would do the "static & dynamic analysis " > together !!! > > My friends in the group are missing the principles > of "desh, kaal, patra " > when they say.....white couple...dark > children.....To elaborate for benefit > of others there is a school of thought in > astros_northern India, - they do > not consider "Combustion of Mercury" for Mercury is > always close to Sun or > for that matter Combustion of Saturn (!!)......they > have their own > logics....believe or not to believe is left to ones > prerogative. > > Classics do mention debilitated planets in 11H give > good > results....experiences or opinions or > interpretations between astros may > differ. Perhaps the only house where exalted and > debilitated planets all > give good results :) !! > > > KNRaoJyotish@ <KNRaoJyotish%40> > [KNRaoJyotish@ <KNRaoJyotish%40> ] On > Behalf Of Vinay Kumar > Friday, July 21, 2006 10:41 PM > KNRaoJyotish@ <KNRaoJyotish%40> ; > @ <%40> > [KNRaoJyotish] Anwer to Question 2 - > Manjunath > > > > Manjunath-ji, > Yes this is the exception rule that I was referring > to. If you look at > the Navamsha chart as a separate chart; it's > debilitation in the 8th > house is favorable. Debilitated 3rd, 6th or 8th > lords are favorable as > also are grahas debilitated in the 3rd house, 6th > house or the 8th > house. I think Sri. KN Rao is absolutely right on > this point. However > I do not think that a debilitated 11th lord or a > debilitated 12th lord > or planets debilitated in these houses are > favorable. The 12th is > neutral house also and the 11th is a good house > although a slightly > evil house. In my opinion it applies only to 3rd, > 6th and 8th houses. > > Yes I can assure you that the chart has never been > discussed anywhere > before on any list. This is the first time. > > Regards, > Vinay > > @ > <%40> > > [@ > <%40> > ] On > Behalf Of M. Sharma > Friday, July 21, 2006 7:08 AM > @ > <%40> > > Re: Anwer to Question 2 (to > Satish and Vinay) > > Satish-ji > You raise some good points. I thought the analysis > was good with lot > of explantion, but as you pointed out - there are > some disconnects > that hopefully Sreeram can explain. > > Vinay-ji > In Navamsa why would Jupiter in eighth (debilitated) > give very good > results?? Is this the exception rule that you are > referring to? > > Please, also assure me that this chart has never > been discussed in > this group or other groups. I am asking this because > there was a > Panditji who exposed a Quiz setup (people knew the > answer/event for > the quiz that was posted) that went on in another > astrology group > last year. Thank You > MS > .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714&grpId=16918584&grpspId=1600082690&msgI d=586&stime=1153512195> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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