Debilitated Jupiter in Capricorn Lagna, Mars exalted- Multiple Sclerosis/haizen

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mr haizen godbless u for ur patience and answers, lucid, caring and pray for ur health and wellbeing takecare and godbless raj kumar

 

haizen <haizen (AT) haizen (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Prasann,

 

I will try my best to answer your questions. I

tried to word the report to make it understandable,

as you have some background in the study of the

stars. So I am glad to have succeeded to whatever

extent.

 

Writing PM for your birth time was a typo; AM was

used.

 

If you are feeling detached and fearful, that may be

one of the lessons of your chart and life: to understand

fear and rebuild faith if possible. When Jupiter is

debilitated and the 9L of faith, and grace is weak

or afflicted, the person does not usually feel spiritually

or physically protected from negative unseen forces,

and I believe this is what you're experiencing. The irony

is that these are the people who usually need the grace

the most but are too disinclined or discouraged to

rebuild it or pursue it in themselves. But to do so can

feel like abandoning oneself to one's fate, and it's

possible that's what their life-time is partially about.

Spiritual remedies are about setting new positive

causes in motion--the product of free will--but if the

person is too tired and exhausted, there may be no

energy or motivation to do these practices. But if I

think that one way to rebuilt one's faith is to do these

spiritual practices on behalf of others -- that is, if there's

this feeling that nothing will make any difference in life

for the person with the illness.

 

1. PRASANN 2: WELL, I'M STAYING AWAY FROM

MY PARENTS, RAHU- KETU TRANSIT STAYS FOR

ABOUT 1.6 MONTHS IN A SIGN.

 

Currently the Nodes are transiting both your Sun and

Moon, as karaka of your parents, and this can indicate

your desire to be away from them. This transit ends

when the Nodes move into Leo/Aquarius.

 

NOW HOW DID I HAVE AN ATTACK IN MARCH

2005??? KETU IS IN VIRGO ( MY MOON SIGN)

FOR NOW BUT IN MARCH 2005 IT WAS IN

LEO PERHAPS?

 

The Nodes were in Pisces/Virgo, but transiting

Sun as the troublesome 8L of obstructions and

chronic illness was beginning to aspect your

Mercury, then Venus, and then it's own Sun

position on your birthday. Plus, transiting

Mercury was aspecting your natal Sun as 8L

at the same time. The 8L can indicate problems

and flare-ups, but not always! There's always

more than one transit that must be taken into

account or one can falsely expect the worst at

all times.

 

SO HOW DO WE RECKON THEIR MOVEMENT

FOR ATTACKS IN FUTURE??

 

Well, after the Nodes finish their transit to your

Sun and Moon, they move into Leo/Aquarius

and aspect your Venus and Mercury going into

January. So this is a good reason to do something

positive in your outlook and in your physical care

before those transits take place. If one just lives

defensively waiting for the worst to happen, what

kind of a life-style is that? What about being proactive

in one's healthcare or in finding inner resources of

faith and resolve that one might not have suspected?

The choice is yours, otherwise life looks bleak and

gets bleaker through passive resistance. While it's

not easy, it still remains an option and can perhaps

reduce the level of fear and suffering.

 

3. PRASANN 2: THIS SOUNDS GOOD AND

INCIDENTALLY I HAVE QUITE OF BLUE IN

MY WARDROBE...BUT OF LATE HAD OBSERVED

MY LIKING FOR GREY!

 

Well, just so you know, the smoky grey colors are

given to the Nodes. Rahu and Ketu love grey and

you might consider whether theirs is the best energy

to feed. Speaking astrologically, in terms of color

therapy, it is considered to be much more beneficial

to wear clearly defined colors, such as navy blue

for Saturn, royal blue for Venus, and emerald for

Mercury. Opinions vary, but according to some

astrologers, the favorable colors for Capricorn

are bright black, white, bright brown, all shades

of blue, green, and variegated colors (a mixture

of colors). The unfavorable ones are steel grey,

dull smoke grey, orange, pink, yellow, and faded

colors.

 

BUT HERE SOME ASTROLOGERS INCLUDING

THE ONE WHO ADVISED SHUKRA YANTRA

CUM STONE (A PENDANT) REFUSED TO

STRENGTHEN SATURN THOUGH. BECAUSE

I HAD MADE SIMILAR INFERENCE THAT IF

SATURN IS BENEFIC AND IS MY LAGNA LORD

THEN WHY NOT I STRENGTHEN IT? BECAUSE

I ALSO SEE THIS AS ONE OF THE REASON FOR

MY WEAK KNEES (MENISCUS RUPTURE) AND

DENTAL PROBLEMS. BUT MAY BE BLUE

SAPPHIRE IS A SCARY STONE IN INDIA.

 

Again, opinions vary, but I have noticed that in

charts where Saturn is strong by sign and has a

strong dispositor, the person has sound bones

and teeth. It's when Saturn is weak that it indicates

problems with the teeth and bones; and a gem for

Saturn is said to both strengthen it for good and to

lessen its qualities as a natural malefic. But some

astrologers are afraid to strengthen a natural malefic,

such as Saturn or Mars, under any circumstances,

believing that it makes these planets more malefic

even if they rule the good houses of 1, 5, and 9. I am

not of that opinion or there would never have been

gems assigned to Mars and Saturn. Saturn can very

often work for good! But it usually makes the person

work like a dog in order to get its benefits. In your

chart, Saturn is your ascendant lord and it limits

you unless you are working on your health, which

is one way of strengthening your Saturn.

 

I WAS ADVISED TO WEAR A PENDANT OF SAFED

PUKHRAJ (WHITE SAPPHIRE) AND

AMETHYST PROBABLY FOR DEBILITATED

JUPITER AND STRENGTHENING SATURN. I

DID NOT WEAR THIS ONE. AS I AM ALREADY

WEARING THE SHUKRA YANTRA.

 

Again, opinions vary, but I consider Jupiter as

12L a functional malefic, and I never recommend

a gem for any functional malefic planet. I feel that

it adds to their power to cause harm. They seem

to responds better to mantras and pujas to lessen

their malefic intent. I would view your decision

not to wear a Jupiter gem as a wise one. On the

other hand, the Shukra mantra sounds fine because

Venus can use the extra help, as it rules the sign of

Taurus where Saturn is placed and makes both

planets happier and stronger.

 

ALSO I AM WEARING A PENDANT WHICH HAS

PEARL,EMERALD AND RUDRAKSH IN IT. IS

PEARL OKAY AND ANYWAYS I GUESS THEY

WILL ASK ME TO WEAR DURING RAHU-MOON

 

This would be fine in my view.

 

AND DO YOU RECKON ME TAKING THE SHUKRA

STONE-YANTRA OFF WHEN RAHU-SURYA COMES.

 

Not necessarily--that is, if it's a good Shukra stone.

High quality gems are the best and they can be very

expensive. But if it's as flawless as possible, preferably

unheated, the gem or or other Shukra talisman should

be viewed as a plus.

 

AND THEN SHOULD I WEAR SOMETHING OR

IS SUN STRONG ENOUGH

TO HANDLE RAHU.

 

Never, in my opinion. Sun as 8L is the most malefic

planet in your chart, and its transits helped set off

your condition in March of 2005. Look at that period

and see. Instead, the spiritual propitiation for the

Sun is when you do something like helping your father

or elderly men. So even if you do not see eye to eye

with your father, it's good karma for you to do

something for him, even if it's to say a prayer or

mantra on his behalf. But no gem for the Sun, please.

 

AND BELIEVE THAT IF RAHU IS REPRESENTING

JUPITER HERE THEN THESE TWO ARE FRIENDS.

 

Jupiter is debilitated and 12L of losses, expenses, and

confinement. Plus it is afflicting your ascendant. I

don't think this sounds like a friend to you. Plus

when one functional malefic, Jupiter, combines

its energy with the other trouble-maker malefics,

Rahu and Ketu, they are a not friends either.

This is why it's good to note when the transiting

Nodes aspect your natal Jupiter, transiting Jupiter

aspects your natal Nodes, or the transiting Nodes

aspect transiting Jupiter. All three combinations

would not be viewed as a friendly period for you,

and you would want to look to the other functional

benefic transits for protective energies, as from

Saturn, Moon, Mercury and Venus.

 

AS PER YOU WHAT IS CLOSEST TO-BE-ALERT

SITUATION TO HAVE AN ATTACK OR SMTHG

 

I think that's the wrong focus to take. I think a better

approach to take is this: "What small measures can

I take in my life to improve my faith, outlook and

overall physical condition?" Otherwise you're just

a sitting duck waiting for the next bad aspect from

the Sun or the Nodes to perhaps worsen your

condition.

 

I WONDER NOW WHEN I TALK TO ASTROLOGERS

NOW AFTER SHARING MS... ALL TALK ABOUT

SEVERAL THINGS AND MARAK AND KASHTA

AND MAHAMRITUANJAYA MANTRAS AND WHAT

NOT... BUT A YEAR AGO NO ONE TOLD ME

ANYTHING OF A CHRONIC AILMENT!!!!!! AS PER

YOU STRAIGHT THERE IS A CHRONIC AILMENT?

 

Astrologers not predicting a serious medical condition

is the norm not the exception. If they actually saw it

in the chart, how many astrologers would want

to tell their clients that in a year from now they

will be diagnosed with MS? I happen to feel that

medical astrology is a specialty and these

astrologers are the best one's to see potential

serious health problems in the chart. But very

few specialize in it, and in general it's not the

astrologer's fault if he or she can't predict some

of these trying conditions. It might not have made

any difference in the life of the person coming

down with the disease, if the disease is of a serious

karma nature, and was destined to happen anyway.

Nevertheless, this doesn't mean that astrology

cannot be helpful after the fact, such as in the

discussion we're having now. (I also happen to

have a chronic health condition that was never

predicted by any astrologer or psychic, and one

happened to be an Indian astrologer and palmist.

Even he missed it, and this was only about a year

before the condition manifested.)

 

AND THERE S NO CHANCE THAT MY MS

COULD BE BENIGN? JUST A FEW ATTACKS

AND ITS GONE NOW?

 

I think you are the only one who can answer that,

and you know enough about your chart to do so.

 

AM I TO HAVE SOME DEBILITY...WHICH

PART????

 

I think you already know that too.

 

ITS TOO EARLY FOR ME TO RETIRE....AND

IN INDIA THERE IS NO INSURANCE

COVERAGE TOO FOR THIS...…

 

All the more not to surrender to despair or

complete loss of faith. What Capricorn ascendant

wants to leave life without its share of

accomplishments?

 

4. PRASANN 2: ISNT MERCURY MALEFIC

FOR ME??? BECAUSE IN FACT THAT WAS

FIRST THING TO FOR ME TO OBSERVE

THAT MERCURY IS WEAK OR AFFLICTED

BY KETU THEN MAY BE WEARING AN

EMERALD SHOULD HELP.

 

For a Capricorn ascendant, Mercury plays a

dual role as 9L of faith and good fortune and

6L of potential illness. I give the weight of

Mercury to the 9L because Virgo is the

mooltatrikona sign for Mercury--it's dominant

sign--making it a functional benefic planet.

Plus, Mercury, Venus and Saturn are friends

and members of the same planetary camp.

Nevertheless, Mercury relates to the nerves

and rules the 6H of ill-health. BUT, once again,

I would view Mercury's health-related problems

to the fact that it is weak and afflicted, and not

because it happens to also rule the 6H. Ketu's

aspect to Mercury is one of the signatures for

MS if Saturn and Venus happen to be weak or

afflicted as well.

 

BUT AGAIN THE SAME GUY WHO GAVE ME

SHUKRA YANTRA SAID I SHOULD NOT WEAR

EMERALD.

 

He was probably scared off because Mercury

rules the 6H as well as the 9H. But if you fail to

strengthen Mercury, you may lose some of the

spiritual benefits of faith and grace of the 9H,

and that's why I happen to feel that Mercury

(and Venus!) can always be safely strengthened

for a Capricorn lagna.

 

I DID TRY TELLING HIM COMPLETELY ABOUT

MS...DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH HE

UNDERSTOOD. IN FACT HE IS QUITE

A SENIOR PRACTICING PERSON. ON

ASKING FOR MY LIFE SPAN HE SAID IT

TO BE MIDDLE AGED!!

 

I happen to think that it's more important

how well one lives than how long. On the other

hand, it doesn't take a genius to realize that

most serious health conditions can inhibit the

longevity of one's life if passively endured.

 

6. PRASANN 2: MY IMMUNE RESPONSE

RATHER GETS HYPERACTIVE, THUS

ATTACK NERVES. SHOULD I SEE IT

AS...RAHU- VENUS....ATTACKS ON EYES

AND MS DIAGNOIS.…

 

Eye concerns are related to 2H affairs and the

weakness of Venus and the affliction of Ketu to

Mercury and Saturn as a weak dispositor. That's

why planetary remedies have been suggested to

better help guide you from within through these

transit periods.

 

RAHU BALANCE MD (RAHU-SUN, RAHU-MOON,

RAHU-MARS) CAUSES MORE ATTACKS WITH

SHANI SADE SATI STARTING ON AND THUS I

AM BOUND TO TAKE INTERFERONS AND THUS

MY LIVER ETC IS AFFECTED AND I AM TO

DEFINITELY BE HOSPITALIZED IN JUPITER-

JUPITER PD. AND MAY BE JUPITER-SATURN

LEADS TO SOME PERMANENT DEBILITY..…

AND THEN IS SATURN MD.…

 

I think you're projecting a very fearful and limiting

future for yourself by focusing on these issues rather

than what small measures you can take to improve

your outlook and physical health, including your

overall general health.

 

WHAT IS THE SAFEST AND BEST THING THAT

YOU ADVISE FOR ME FOR:

RAHU-SUN

RAHU-MOON

RAHU-MARS

JUPITER-JUPITER AND THE MD?

APART FROM THE BELOW ONES...

 

Meditation and prayer. But not the meditation of

fear and apprehension; but rather, "Divine

Intelligence, teach me from within what the

lesson is here! What can I learn from this to

add meaning to my life? What is the GIFT of

this condition?" Otherwise, you're doing what?

- watching for the next transit of Rahu and Ketu.

The body heals at the alpha level of brain wave,

and this is what meditation helps to do. (Look

into the alpha work of Jose Silva for more

information on the relationship between

meditation and health.)

 

HANDLING AND ANALYSING TRANSITS IS

THE MOST DIFFICULT PART

 

I would use them to get an overall sense of what

they're doing, but not hand your life over to them

out of fear. The mantra for Saturn has a way of

connecting the person with the higher energy of

this planet. The one I like the best is: OM SRI

SHANAISWARAYA SWAHA, and it's available

for anyone who wants to use it. It's one of the

Saturn mantras for good health and healing.

 

7. YES THIS POINT IS BIT TEDIOUS FOR ME

TO CALCULATE....AS I MENTIONED.

WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO HELP ME OUT

ON THIS. LIKE SUN'S ASPECT IN

TRANSIT OR NATAL SUN? EG. IF RAHU

IS TO TRANSIT INTO AQUARIUS THIS

NOVEMBER 8, 2006 THAT MEANS THERE

IS NO ASPECT OF SUN THERE BUT VENUS

AND MERCURY ARE IN 2H IN THE SIGN

OF AQUARIUS. AND BOTH THESE PLANETS

AS WELL THE LORD SATURN ARE WEAK.

SO PROBABLY AN ATTACK??.… BCOZ RAHU

REMAINS IN A SIGN FOR 1.6 YRS I.E. APRIL

2008.

 

What I suggest is that you just happen to track

the transit of the Sun to your natal planets and

particularly to Jupiter, Rahu and Ketu. Then just

take it easier on those days without expecting a full

blown attack. According to our expectations we

can sometimes make matters worse and

manufacture negative toxins in our body.

The mind has great impact on the body, so

it pays to focus on what we want to attract

in life. Do we want to resist ill-health, or

*attract* good health? Big difference.

 

AND THEN AGAIN IT TRANSITS THROUGH

MY LAGNA IE CAPRICORN WHERE

JUPITER AND MARS (OCCUPANTS) AND

LORD SATURN ARE ALL NOT ABLE TO DO

GOOD...SO ANOTHER ATTACK??.....THOUGH

SUN DOES NOT ASPECT THIS.

 

These transits are way off in the future and a

great deal can be done ahead of time to neutralize

some of their negative effects.

 

THEN TRANSITS SAGITTARIUS OCCUPIED

BY HIMSELF...ANOTHER ATTACK??

 

Another transit years away...

 

(AND MAY BE THESE ATTACKS WILL PUSH

ME FOR INTERFERONS AND THUS

JUPITER IN ITS MD MAY GIVE MORE

DAMAGE TO LIVER, NERVES, BLOOD.…….)

 

Here are some options to look into that have

helped many. I would also recommend acupuncture

treatments for those with MS but only under a

doctor's advisement. Resources:

 

http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/Article.asp?Id=729

 

SIMILARLY KETU IS TO COME IN SIGN LEO

WHICH IS RULED BY SUN AND I DO

NOT KNOW IF SUN IS ASPECTING IT. THEN

TAURUS THEN ARIES..…

 

Again, many months away. So you can either do

what you can to come to terms with the weaknesses

of your chart, and balance them out, or you can

worry and fret about every major or minor

transit that comes along. I couldn't live that

way myself.

 

12. SO I GATHER THAT VENUS WAS

OVERPOWERED BY RAHU AND MAY

BE THIS MS THING HAPPENED....AND

WEARING DIAMOND AND EMERALD AND

MAY BE AMETHYST/BLUE SAPPHIRE SHOULD

HELP ME...WHAT ABOUT SADE SATI ...WOULDNT

IT BE BAD FOR MY PARENTS IF STRENGTHEN

SATURN NOW?

 

Not in my opinion, no. The sooner the better, and

it needs to be a good gem, as flawless as possible,

even if it's small. And there are alternative gems

you can consider from any high quality gem dealer:

 

http://www.astrologicalgem.com/

 

(This is not an advertisement.)

 

I SHOULD NOT WEAR YELLOW??

 

Not recommended because it rules the 12H of losses

and weakening influences. Plus, it also afflicts the

degree of your ascendant and rules the 12H where

malefic Rahu happens to reside. Work with Jupiter

using mantras to bring yourself in harmony with

its higher nature and without strengthening it for

harm.

 

IS SUN EVIL FOR ME? THEN RAHU-SUN

WOULD BE BAD PERIOD...

 

Sun is 8L of chronic illness and not considered

a friendly planet for Capricorn rising. Rahu-Sun

could indicate further disagreements with your

parents that would be good karma for you to

work out.

 

AND SHANI SADE SATI AROUND THEN

WOULD HELP OR WOULD MAKE IT WORSE?

 

The effects of Sade Sati vary depending upon

whether Saturn is friendly to your chart or not.

Both Saturn and the Moon are friendly planets

for you and this makes Sade Sati somewhat

more manageable. Getting through Sade Sati

is not the problem here; it's the basic strength

of the natal planets and whatever you may

plan to do about them. In my opinion, you are

overemphasizing the importance of the transits

at the expense of dealing with the health

indications of MS in your natal chart. The

natal chart is the key, not the transits. Otherwise,

it's like looking through the wrong end of the

telescope and getting a distorted view of life.

 

THINK I SHOULD NOT WEAR ANYTHING

FOR SUN...NOT REQUIRED ISNT IT?

 

Not recommended for the reasons stated

before: it's the most malefic planet for Capricorn

rising as 8L of chronic illnesses.

 

RAHU-MARS? WHAT IF I AM ADVISED TO

WEAR RED CORAL THEN?? AND WHAT

SHOULD I WEAR DURING COMPLETE JUPITER MD

 

Strengthening the benefic planets of Saturn,

Venus and Mercury help support the proper

function of the functional malefic planets in

one's chart, and it's generally not recommended

to wear gems for the functional malefics. One

astrologer's opinion.

 

I MIGHT HAVE GONE OVERBOARD WITH

MY ENDLESS QUESTIONS.

 

It's okay. I happened to have had the time to

complete our exchange.

 

BUT I'M JUST JOSTLING TRYING TO

IMPROVISE KARMA IF I COULD...

 

Yes, you are...and I think it's wonderful. And

if you have little faith for yourself, have it for

others and serve them in unexpected ways to

help break through this karma of health, if for

this life-time or the next. For do we all not

choose our charts? How did you happen to

get that Jupiter? Or your Saturn placement?

Or are we merely victims of fate living in a

meaningless universe?

 

As for myself, I have to view life and the

universe as positive and meaningful or man

would never have been given the wonderful

tool of astrology to help understand his fate

and activate his powers of choice and freewill.

 

I DO CHARITIES TO THE NEEDY AND HELP

PEOPLE...NOT REALLY MUCH INTO TEMPLES

AND MANTRAS.

 

I think this is exceptionally good karma for yourself.

 

Sincere best wishes, Haizen

 

 

 

 

 

 

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