Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Hi friends, It sounds silly for some astrologers to be preaching from the pedestals while most of them are here hunting for clients whom they could take for a ride. One of the astrologers here in this group is to sell his occult wares like `siyar singi , rudraksha etc', while the other first scares the questioners and then leads them down the garden path. In between we have small timers. The `Jyotish Remedies' group has been reduced to a pavement, where most peddlers entice their customers through their well established gimmicks. It is these peddlers who need this group more than those who seek answers. We as seekers have lots of places to go and seek, but these peddlers have none. Bye, Chel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Hi Chel. Please don't be so cynical about this entire thing..... --- tchelappa <tchelappa (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Hi friends, > > It sounds silly for some astrologers to be preaching > from the > pedestals while most of them are here hunting for > clients whom they > could take for a ride. One of the astrologers here > in this group is > to sell his occult wares like `siyar singi , > rudraksha etc', while > the other first scares the questioners and then > leads them down the > garden path. In between we have small timers. > > The `Jyotish Remedies' group has been reduced to a > pavement, where > most peddlers entice their customers through their > well established > gimmicks. > > It is these peddlers who need this group more than > those who seek > answers. We as seekers have lots of places to go and > seek, but these > peddlers have none. > > Bye, > > Chel > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Dear Chel, All Marwadis are not kanjoos All Bengalis are not kangalis All Maharashtrians are not lukhas All delhiwalas are not dilwalas All Sindhis are not chors All Muslims are not murderers All Indians are not patriotic And all astrologers are not peddlars. Understanding Your frustation due to unfulfilled requests probably. Also agree to most of what You have said,except,giving all of them a bad name. But please do not put all of the group in the pavement peddlars society. Not all of them give their contact ids. or nos.or addresses or websites.or invitation to call, And not all of this latter group who are doing this also, prospect clients through this Forum. A few among these who do, also can be shortlisted and given the benefit of doubt, because in majority of cases they are helping the querists free of cost without any interest of monetary gains in return. If they try to charge in a few cases, leave them we are no one to judge them.Again there is a small group or probably larger group who may do this free query answering for ego boosting. Still does not matter, because all in all dont You think utlimately thousands are being helped for free to make their lifes better ? So many astrologers on this Forum who are learned could certainly have full time devoted to money making but instead sitting here and so lovingly trying to answer everyone with their optimum knowledge at disposal.- A minute-tiny level of uncultured self proclaimed half- baked astrologers who want to immediately catch the boat of money making through this great science, does not call for wanton proclaiming the whole group as what has been said. You must have said what You did in a fit of anger, but when it will cool down, You will realise that there are certainly good men around. A fellow senior learned member of this group has just this morning posted a letter in pain, which will also depict the position at this side of the wall. So justification on both sides,but no judgmental on any group in total. Regards, Bhaskar. , "tchelappa" <tchelappa wrote: > > Hi friends, > > It sounds silly for some astrologers to be preaching from the > pedestals while most of them are here hunting for clients whom they > could take for a ride. One of the astrologers here in this group is > to sell his occult wares like `siyar singi , rudraksha etc', while > the other first scares the questioners and then leads them down the > garden path. In between we have small timers. > > The `Jyotish Remedies' group has been reduced to a pavement, where > most peddlers entice their customers through their well established > gimmicks. > > It is these peddlers who need this group more than those who seek > answers. We as seekers have lots of places to go and seek, but these > peddlers have none. > > Bye, > > Chel > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Dear Sir, Well said.The members will certainly realise the kindness of the contributors and founding members. srinivas bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Chel, All Marwadis are not kanjoos All Bengalis are not kangalis All Maharashtrians are not lukhas All delhiwalas are not dilwalas All Sindhis are not chors All Muslims are not murderers All Indians are not patriotic And all astrologers are not peddlars. Understanding Your frustation due to unfulfilled requests probably. Also agree to most of what You have said,except,giving all of them a bad name. But please do not put all of the group in the pavement peddlars society. Not all of them give their contact ids. or nos.or addresses or websites.or invitation to call, And not all of this latter group who are doing this also, prospect clients through this Forum. A few among these who do, also can be shortlisted and given the benefit of doubt, because in majority of cases they are helping the querists free of cost without any interest of monetary gains in return. If they try to charge in a few cases, leave them we are no one to judge them.Again there is a small group or probably larger group who may do this free query answering for ego boosting. Still does not matter, because all in all dont You think utlimately thousands are being helped for free to make their lifes better ? So many astrologers on this Forum who are learned could certainly have full time devoted to money making but instead sitting here and so lovingly trying to answer everyone with their optimum knowledge at disposal.- A minute-tiny level of uncultured self proclaimed half- baked astrologers who want to immediately catch the boat of money making through this great science, does not call for wanton proclaiming the whole group as what has been said. You must have said what You did in a fit of anger, but when it will cool down, You will realise that there are certainly good men around. A fellow senior learned member of this group has just this morning posted a letter in pain, which will also depict the position at this side of the wall. So justification on both sides,but no judgmental on any group in total. Regards, Bhaskar. , "tchelappa" <tchelappa wrote: > > Hi friends, > > It sounds silly for some astrologers to be preaching from the > pedestals while most of them are here hunting for clients whom they > could take for a ride. One of the astrologers here in this group is > to sell his occult wares like `siyar singi , rudraksha etc', while > the other first scares the questioners and then leads them down the > garden path. In between we have small timers. > > The `Jyotish Remedies' group has been reduced to a pavement, where > most peddlers entice their customers through their well established > gimmicks. > > It is these peddlers who need this group more than those who seek > answers. We as seekers have lots of places to go and seek, but these > peddlers have none. > > Bye, > > Chel > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Dear Members Let us first understand - is this a forum for free chart reading? and if yes, is this a responsibility of any specific or all participating astrologer to facilitate it. Who will decide this? and why people seeking astrological opinion, so demanding? They feel that participating astrologers have responsibility to read their charts for free. There is no free lunch anywhere (not even at home). In my opinion, this is not free chart reading forum (unless moderator decides to do this for requests on the forum). and if someone is doing it as service to humanity, people must learn to respect the service. This forum is primariy for astrologers to discuss astrological experience and principles. In the process, they share case studies and jyotish students can learn through the discussions. Astrologers are also part of society and must charge for private consultation. and if such note is provided in their mail, what is wrong? Why people are taking this as an offence. Do astrologer owe them something, that people can be so demanding!! I endorse views and experiences of Shri Pandit Arjun ji and Shri P Kumar ji, completely (expressed on another thread). regards / Prafulla Gang The first lesson a revolutionary must learn is that he is a doomed man. Unless he understands this, he does not grasp the essential meaning of his life. tchelappa (AT) (DOT) co.in Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:43:30 -0000 Peddling Astrology Hi friends, It sounds silly for some astrologers to be preaching from the pedestals while most of them are here hunting for clients whom they could take for a ride. One of the astrologers here in this group is to sell his occult wares like `siyar singi , rudraksha etc', while the other first scares the questioners and then leads them down the garden path. In between we have small timers. The `Jyotish Remedies' group has been reduced to a pavement, where most peddlers entice their customers through their well established gimmicks. It is these peddlers who need this group more than those who seek answers. We as seekers have lots of places to go and seek, but these peddlers have none. Bye, Chel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 dear friends before replying to any member's message, that too with a negative bias, like the one posted by mr.chelappa, one shall search as to who or what this poster is all about. a mere search of his name in the group reveals not a single message posted by him in this group except this cynical mail. neither he was a querent in the group nor a contributing astrologer. for an intelligent person, this itself is sufficient to form a opinion on this poster whose first and only message in this group is about a highly judgemental remark. achhon ko bura sabit karna, duniya ki purani aadat hai. old habits die hard. be it critics, jealous enemies or even praising friends, i always request them only one thing. kindly stick to truth, for truth always triumphs. submit only facts. truth cannot be created or destroyed, for truth is god. when a dhobhi made a negative critical remark, lord rama had to testify himself. unfortunatley such dhobhis are the divine forms whose only objective is to clean the dirt of others by presenting their victims an opportunity to come clean. i always thank such people because when we start submitting facts, they flee for cover and all of them invariably go into oblivion. once lord ram supposed to have predicted that in kaliyuga, you would see dharam and karam both in practice but not sharam. chelappa has proved this prediction true, for he can only fire vield missiles. since he mentioned the holy items siyar singhi and rudraksha, it forced me to answer this, as i am the only member in this group who has written about this most miraculous item. all facts are available in the form of messages in this group alone. some time ago, one member rohit made sweeping statements that once an evil attacks a human, there is no escape and no god, no poojas, homams or no remedies can cure that. a long thread followed in which i praised this holy item siyar singhi which alone is sufficient to ward off the evils, as being an exorcist i have been using this for long. then several members wrote to me both in the group and in private mails that they have never seen a genuine siyar singhi and all the items sold in the market even by reputed webstores are fake. then to help them, i have scanned a photograph of the genuine siyar singhi and posted in the group photos section and sent a mail and have given my address and phone numbers in delhi so that any person wishing to have a darshan can visit my home and see this. when i got this siyar singhi from a sage two years ago, the hair on it was only 2.5 cm long but now it is a whopping 9cm long. i have also done free exorcism risking my life (as i took the devil from the native on to myself) based on messages posted by the querents and the querents too testified this in the group publicly about my free services. secondly about the rudraksha. perhaps i am the only astrologer member in most who have been vocal in recommending rudraksha, for it is the only holy item recommended by none other than lord shiva and finds its recommendation in vedas, puranas and upanishads and is the only holy item worn by all individuals including the renounced saints. also it is the only holy item in the world which is affordable even by the poorest of the poor as a normal five mukh rudraksha is available at less than one rupee per bead which i generally distribute freely. due to the growing popularity of rudraksha and it having no negative affects like gems, some gemsellers have opened false IDs to attack me and stop promoting the rudraksha. any good person speaking truth and suggesting simple inexpensive remedies is always attacked by such money minting businessmen like the way ramdevji is attacked for promoting cure of all diseases just through simple pranayama. also some rudrakshaselling webstore owners have become enemeies because my objective is only to make available these rudraksha at CHEAPEST PRICES IN THE WORLD that too after proper purification, sanctification, energisation and programming. for example, one webstore is selling a normal 14mukh rudraksha for rupees thirty six thousand whereas for this amount, i can supply the entire one to fourteen mukh rudraksha mala in a pure silver chain. because of this charity service, these businessmen are trying day in and day out to attack me directly and indrectly and i continue to keep blessing them and pray to god to grant them sadbhuddhi. let me request one more time to all members to present only facts and stick to the truth, be it positive or negative, for truth is god and you cannot meddle with god and truth. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , srinivasa murthy adavi <smadavi wrote: > > Dear Sir, > Well said.The members will certainly realise the kindness of the contributors and founding members. > srinivas > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear Chel, > > All Marwadis are not kanjoos > All Bengalis are not kangalis > All Maharashtrians are not lukhas > All delhiwalas are not dilwalas > All Sindhis are not chors > All Muslims are not murderers > All Indians are not patriotic > And all astrologers are not peddlars. > > Understanding Your frustation due to unfulfilled requests probably. > Also agree to most of what You have said,except,giving all of them a > bad name. > But please do not put all of the group in the pavement peddlars > society. Not all of them give their contact ids. or nos.or addresses > or websites.or invitation to call, And not all of this latter group > who are doing this also, prospect clients through this Forum. > A few among these who do, also can be shortlisted and given the > benefit of doubt, because in majority of cases they are helping the > querists free of cost without any interest of monetary gains in > return. If they try to charge in a few cases, leave them we are no > one to judge them.Again there is a small group or probably larger > group who may do this free query answering for ego boosting. > Still does not matter, because all in all dont You think utlimately > thousands are being helped for free to make their lifes better ? > So many astrologers on this Forum who are learned could certainly > have full time devoted to money making but instead sitting here and > so lovingly trying to answer everyone with their optimum knowledge at > disposal.- A minute-tiny level of uncultured self proclaimed half- > baked astrologers who want to immediately catch the boat of money > making through this great science, does not call for wanton > proclaiming the whole group as what has been said. > > You must have said what You did in a fit of anger, but when it will > cool down, You will realise that there are certainly good men around. > A fellow senior learned member of this group has just this morning > posted a letter in pain, which will also depict the position at this > side of the wall. So justification on both sides,but no judgmental > on any group in total. > > Regards, > Bhaskar. > > , "tchelappa" <tchelappa@> > wrote: > > > > Hi friends, > > > > It sounds silly for some astrologers to be preaching from the > > pedestals while most of them are here hunting for clients whom > they > > could take for a ride. One of the astrologers here in this group is > > to sell his occult wares like `siyar singi , rudraksha etc', while > > the other first scares the questioners and then leads them down the > > garden path. In between we have small timers. > > > > The `Jyotish Remedies' group has been reduced to a pavement, where > > most peddlers entice their customers through their well established > > gimmicks. > > > > It is these peddlers who need this group more than those who seek > > answers. We as seekers have lots of places to go and seek, but > these > > peddlers have none. > > > > Bye, > > > > Chel > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Shri Arjun Sagab, Namaste, Koi fikar ki baat nahi. Bhuliyega nahi ke pathar(stones) usi vraksh (tree) par padte hain jin par fal(fruits) hote hain. Aap apna shubh karma karte jaiye and do not worry about what few people remark. Kuch to log kahenge, logon ka kaam hai kehna, chodon bekar ki baaton ko, kahin beet na jaye raina. Regards, Bhaskar. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > before replying to any member's message, that too with a negative > bias, like the one posted by mr.chelappa, one shall search as to who > or what this poster is all about. a mere search of his name in the > group reveals not a single message posted by him in this group > except this cynical mail. neither he was a querent in the group nor > a contributing astrologer. for an intelligent person, this itself > is sufficient to form a opinion on this poster whose first and only > message in this group is about a highly judgemental remark. > > achhon ko bura sabit karna, duniya ki purani aadat hai. old habits > die hard. > > be it critics, jealous enemies or even praising friends, i always > request them only one thing. kindly stick to truth, for truth > always triumphs. submit only facts. truth cannot be created or > destroyed, for truth is god. > > when a dhobhi made a negative critical remark, lord rama had to > testify himself. unfortunatley such dhobhis are the divine forms > whose only objective is to clean the dirt of others by presenting > their victims an opportunity to come clean. i always thank such > people because when we start submitting facts, they flee for cover > and all of them invariably go into oblivion. once lord ram supposed > to have predicted that in kaliyuga, you would see dharam and karam > both in practice but not sharam. chelappa has proved this > prediction true, for he can only fire vield missiles. > > since he mentioned the holy items siyar singhi and rudraksha, it > forced me to answer this, as i am the only member in this group who > has written about this most miraculous item. all facts are > available in the form of messages in this group alone. some time > ago, one member rohit made sweeping statements that once an evil > attacks a human, there is no escape and no god, no poojas, homams or > no remedies can cure that. a long thread followed in which i > praised this holy item siyar singhi which alone is sufficient to > ward off the evils, as being an exorcist i have been using this for > long. then several members wrote to me both in the group and in > private mails that they have never seen a genuine siyar singhi and > all the items sold in the market even by reputed webstores are > fake. then to help them, i have scanned a photograph of the genuine > siyar singhi and posted in the group photos section and sent a mail > and have given my address and phone numbers in delhi so that any > person wishing to have a darshan can visit my home and see this. > when i got this siyar singhi from a sage two years ago, the hair on > it was only 2.5 cm long but now it is a whopping 9cm long. i have > also done free exorcism risking my life (as i took the devil from > the native on to myself) based on messages posted by the querents > and the querents too testified this in the group publicly about my > free services. > > secondly about the rudraksha. perhaps i am the only astrologer > member in most who have been vocal in recommending > rudraksha, for it is the only holy item recommended by none other > than lord shiva and finds its recommendation in vedas, puranas and > upanishads and is the only holy item worn by all individuals > including the renounced saints. also it is the only holy item in > the world which is affordable even by the poorest of the poor as a > normal five mukh rudraksha is available at less than one rupee per > bead which i generally distribute freely. due to the growing > popularity of rudraksha and it having no negative affects like gems, > some gemsellers have opened false IDs to attack me and stop > promoting the rudraksha. any good person speaking truth and > suggesting simple inexpensive remedies is always attacked by such > money minting businessmen like the way ramdevji is attacked for > promoting cure of all diseases just through simple pranayama. also > some rudrakshaselling webstore owners have become enemeies because > my objective is only to make available these rudraksha at CHEAPEST > PRICES IN THE WORLD that too after proper purification, > sanctification, energisation and programming. for example, one > webstore is selling a normal 14mukh rudraksha for rupees thirty six > thousand whereas for this amount, i can supply the entire one to > fourteen mukh rudraksha mala in a pure silver chain. because of > this charity service, these businessmen are trying day in and day > out to attack me directly and indrectly and i continue to keep > blessing them and pray to god to grant them sadbhuddhi. > > let me request one more time to all members to present only facts > and stick to the truth, be it positive or negative, for truth is god > and you cannot meddle with god and truth. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > > , srinivasa murthy adavi > <smadavi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > Well said.The members will certainly realise the kindness of > the contributors and founding members. > > srinivas > > > > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > Dear Chel, > > > > All Marwadis are not kanjoos > > All Bengalis are not kangalis > > All Maharashtrians are not lukhas > > All delhiwalas are not dilwalas > > All Sindhis are not chors > > All Muslims are not murderers > > All Indians are not patriotic > > And all astrologers are not peddlars. > > > > Understanding Your frustation due to unfulfilled requests probably. > > Also agree to most of what You have said,except,giving all of them > a > > bad name. > > But please do not put all of the group in the pavement peddlars > > society. Not all of them give their contact ids. or nos.or > addresses > > or websites.or invitation to call, And not all of this latter > group > > who are doing this also, prospect clients through this Forum. > > A few among these who do, also can be shortlisted and given the > > benefit of doubt, because in majority of cases they are helping the > > querists free of cost without any interest of monetary gains in > > return. If they try to charge in a few cases, leave them we are no > > one to judge them.Again there is a small group or probably larger > > group who may do this free query answering for ego boosting. > > Still does not matter, because all in all dont You think utlimately > > thousands are being helped for free to make their lifes better ? > > So many astrologers on this Forum who are learned could certainly > > have full time devoted to money making but instead sitting here > and > > so lovingly trying to answer everyone with their optimum knowledge > at > > disposal.- A minute-tiny level of uncultured self proclaimed half- > > baked astrologers who want to immediately catch the boat of money > > making through this great science, does not call for wanton > > proclaiming the whole group as what has been said. > > > > You must have said what You did in a fit of anger, but when it > will > > cool down, You will realise that there are certainly good men > around. > > A fellow senior learned member of this group has just this morning > > posted a letter in pain, which will also depict the position at > this > > side of the wall. So justification on both sides,but no judgmental > > on any group in total. > > > > Regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , "tchelappa" <tchelappa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi friends, > > > > > > It sounds silly for some astrologers to be preaching from the > > > pedestals while most of them are here hunting for clients whom > > they > > > could take for a ride. One of the astrologers here in this group > is > > > to sell his occult wares like `siyar singi , rudraksha etc', > while > > > the other first scares the questioners and then leads them down > the > > > garden path. In between we have small timers. > > > > > > The `Jyotish Remedies' group has been reduced to a pavement, > where > > > most peddlers entice their customers through their well > established > > > gimmicks. > > > > > > It is these peddlers who need this group more than those who > seek > > > answers. We as seekers have lots of places to go and seek, but > > these > > > peddlers have none. > > > > > > Bye, > > > > > > Chel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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