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Hi friends,

 

It sounds silly for some astrologers to be preaching from the

pedestals while most of them are here hunting for clients whom they

could take for a ride. One of the astrologers here in this group is

to sell his occult wares like `siyar singi , rudraksha etc', while

the other first scares the questioners and then leads them down the

garden path. In between we have small timers.

 

The `Jyotish Remedies' group has been reduced to a pavement, where

most peddlers entice their customers through their well established

gimmicks.

 

It is these peddlers who need this group more than those who seek

answers. We as seekers have lots of places to go and seek, but these

peddlers have none.

 

Bye,

 

Chel

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Hi Chel.

Please don't be so cynical about this entire

thing.....

--- tchelappa <tchelappa (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

> Hi friends,

>

> It sounds silly for some astrologers to be preaching

> from the

> pedestals while most of them are here hunting for

> clients whom they

> could take for a ride. One of the astrologers here

> in this group is

> to sell his occult wares like `siyar singi ,

> rudraksha etc', while

> the other first scares the questioners and then

> leads them down the

> garden path. In between we have small timers.

>

> The `Jyotish Remedies' group has been reduced to a

> pavement, where

> most peddlers entice their customers through their

> well established

> gimmicks.

>

> It is these peddlers who need this group more than

> those who seek

> answers. We as seekers have lots of places to go and

> seek, but these

> peddlers have none.

>

> Bye,

>

> Chel

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Chel,

 

All Marwadis are not kanjoos

All Bengalis are not kangalis

All Maharashtrians are not lukhas

All delhiwalas are not dilwalas

All Sindhis are not chors

All Muslims are not murderers

All Indians are not patriotic

And all astrologers are not peddlars.

 

 

Understanding Your frustation due to unfulfilled requests probably.

Also agree to most of what You have said,except,giving all of them a

bad name.

But please do not put all of the group in the pavement peddlars

society. Not all of them give their contact ids. or nos.or addresses

or websites.or invitation to call, And not all of this latter group

who are doing this also, prospect clients through this Forum.

A few among these who do, also can be shortlisted and given the

benefit of doubt, because in majority of cases they are helping the

querists free of cost without any interest of monetary gains in

return. If they try to charge in a few cases, leave them we are no

one to judge them.Again there is a small group or probably larger

group who may do this free query answering for ego boosting.

Still does not matter, because all in all dont You think utlimately

thousands are being helped for free to make their lifes better ?

So many astrologers on this Forum who are learned could certainly

have full time devoted to money making but instead sitting here and

so lovingly trying to answer everyone with their optimum knowledge at

disposal.- A minute-tiny level of uncultured self proclaimed half-

baked astrologers who want to immediately catch the boat of money

making through this great science, does not call for wanton

proclaiming the whole group as what has been said.

 

You must have said what You did in a fit of anger, but when it will

cool down, You will realise that there are certainly good men around.

A fellow senior learned member of this group has just this morning

posted a letter in pain, which will also depict the position at this

side of the wall. So justification on both sides,but no judgmental

on any group in total.

 

Regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "tchelappa" <tchelappa

wrote:

>

> Hi friends,

>

> It sounds silly for some astrologers to be preaching from the

> pedestals while most of them are here hunting for clients whom

they

> could take for a ride. One of the astrologers here in this group is

> to sell his occult wares like `siyar singi , rudraksha etc', while

> the other first scares the questioners and then leads them down the

> garden path. In between we have small timers.

>

> The `Jyotish Remedies' group has been reduced to a pavement, where

> most peddlers entice their customers through their well established

> gimmicks.

>

> It is these peddlers who need this group more than those who seek

> answers. We as seekers have lots of places to go and seek, but

these

> peddlers have none.

>

> Bye,

>

> Chel

>

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Dear Sir,

Well said.The members will certainly realise the kindness of the contributors and founding members.

srinivas

 

bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Chel,

 

All Marwadis are not kanjoos

All Bengalis are not kangalis

All Maharashtrians are not lukhas

All delhiwalas are not dilwalas

All Sindhis are not chors

All Muslims are not murderers

All Indians are not patriotic

And all astrologers are not peddlars.

 

Understanding Your frustation due to unfulfilled requests probably.

Also agree to most of what You have said,except,giving all of them a

bad name.

But please do not put all of the group in the pavement peddlars

society. Not all of them give their contact ids. or nos.or addresses

or websites.or invitation to call, And not all of this latter group

who are doing this also, prospect clients through this Forum.

A few among these who do, also can be shortlisted and given the

benefit of doubt, because in majority of cases they are helping the

querists free of cost without any interest of monetary gains in

return. If they try to charge in a few cases, leave them we are no

one to judge them.Again there is a small group or probably larger

group who may do this free query answering for ego boosting.

Still does not matter, because all in all dont You think utlimately

thousands are being helped for free to make their lifes better ?

So many astrologers on this Forum who are learned could certainly

have full time devoted to money making but instead sitting here and

so lovingly trying to answer everyone with their optimum knowledge at

disposal.- A minute-tiny level of uncultured self proclaimed half-

baked astrologers who want to immediately catch the boat of money

making through this great science, does not call for wanton

proclaiming the whole group as what has been said.

 

You must have said what You did in a fit of anger, but when it will

cool down, You will realise that there are certainly good men around.

A fellow senior learned member of this group has just this morning

posted a letter in pain, which will also depict the position at this

side of the wall. So justification on both sides,but no judgmental

on any group in total.

 

Regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, "tchelappa" <tchelappa

wrote:

>

> Hi friends,

>

> It sounds silly for some astrologers to be preaching from the

> pedestals while most of them are here hunting for clients whom

they

> could take for a ride. One of the astrologers here in this group is

> to sell his occult wares like `siyar singi , rudraksha etc', while

> the other first scares the questioners and then leads them down the

> garden path. In between we have small timers.

>

> The `Jyotish Remedies' group has been reduced to a pavement, where

> most peddlers entice their customers through their well established

> gimmicks.

>

> It is these peddlers who need this group more than those who seek

> answers. We as seekers have lots of places to go and seek, but

these

> peddlers have none.

>

> Bye,

>

> Chel

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Members

 

Let us first understand - is this a forum for free chart reading? and if yes, is this a responsibility of any specific or all participating astrologer to facilitate it. Who will decide this? and why people seeking astrological opinion, so demanding? They feel that participating astrologers have responsibility to read their charts for free. There is no free lunch anywhere (not even at home).

 

In my opinion, this is not free chart reading forum (unless moderator decides to do this for requests on the forum). and if someone is doing it as service to humanity, people must learn to respect the service. This forum is primariy for astrologers to discuss astrological experience and principles. In the process, they share case studies and jyotish students can learn through the discussions. Astrologers are also part of society and must charge for private consultation. and if such note is provided in their mail, what is wrong? Why people are taking this as an offence. Do astrologer owe them something, that people can be so demanding!!

 

I endorse views and experiences of Shri Pandit Arjun ji and Shri P Kumar ji, completely (expressed on another thread).

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The first lesson a revolutionary must learn is that he is a doomed man. Unless he understands this, he does not grasp the essential meaning of his life.

 

tchelappa (AT) (DOT) co.in

Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:43:30 -0000

 

Peddling Astrology

Hi friends,

 

It sounds silly for some astrologers to be preaching from the

pedestals while most of them are here hunting for clients whom they

could take for a ride. One of the astrologers here in this group is

to sell his occult wares like `siyar singi , rudraksha etc', while

the other first scares the questioners and then leads them down the

garden path. In between we have small timers.

 

The `Jyotish Remedies' group has been reduced to a pavement, where

most peddlers entice their customers through their well established

gimmicks.

 

It is these peddlers who need this group more than those who seek

answers. We as seekers have lots of places to go and seek, but these

peddlers have none.

 

Bye,

 

Chel

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dear friends

 

before replying to any member's message, that too with a negative

bias, like the one posted by mr.chelappa, one shall search as to who

or what this poster is all about. a mere search of his name in the

group reveals not a single message posted by him in this group

except this cynical mail. neither he was a querent in the group nor

a contributing astrologer. for an intelligent person, this itself

is sufficient to form a opinion on this poster whose first and only

message in this group is about a highly judgemental remark.

 

achhon ko bura sabit karna, duniya ki purani aadat hai. old habits

die hard.

 

be it critics, jealous enemies or even praising friends, i always

request them only one thing. kindly stick to truth, for truth

always triumphs. submit only facts. truth cannot be created or

destroyed, for truth is god.

 

when a dhobhi made a negative critical remark, lord rama had to

testify himself. unfortunatley such dhobhis are the divine forms

whose only objective is to clean the dirt of others by presenting

their victims an opportunity to come clean. i always thank such

people because when we start submitting facts, they flee for cover

and all of them invariably go into oblivion. once lord ram supposed

to have predicted that in kaliyuga, you would see dharam and karam

both in practice but not sharam. chelappa has proved this

prediction true, for he can only fire vield missiles.

 

since he mentioned the holy items siyar singhi and rudraksha, it

forced me to answer this, as i am the only member in this group who

has written about this most miraculous item. all facts are

available in the form of messages in this group alone. some time

ago, one member rohit made sweeping statements that once an evil

attacks a human, there is no escape and no god, no poojas, homams or

no remedies can cure that. a long thread followed in which i

praised this holy item siyar singhi which alone is sufficient to

ward off the evils, as being an exorcist i have been using this for

long. then several members wrote to me both in the group and in

private mails that they have never seen a genuine siyar singhi and

all the items sold in the market even by reputed webstores are

fake. then to help them, i have scanned a photograph of the genuine

siyar singhi and posted in the group photos section and sent a mail

and have given my address and phone numbers in delhi so that any

person wishing to have a darshan can visit my home and see this.

when i got this siyar singhi from a sage two years ago, the hair on

it was only 2.5 cm long but now it is a whopping 9cm long. i have

also done free exorcism risking my life (as i took the devil from

the native on to myself) based on messages posted by the querents

and the querents too testified this in the group publicly about my

free services.

 

secondly about the rudraksha. perhaps i am the only astrologer

member in most who have been vocal in recommending

rudraksha, for it is the only holy item recommended by none other

than lord shiva and finds its recommendation in vedas, puranas and

upanishads and is the only holy item worn by all individuals

including the renounced saints. also it is the only holy item in

the world which is affordable even by the poorest of the poor as a

normal five mukh rudraksha is available at less than one rupee per

bead which i generally distribute freely. due to the growing

popularity of rudraksha and it having no negative affects like gems,

some gemsellers have opened false IDs to attack me and stop

promoting the rudraksha. any good person speaking truth and

suggesting simple inexpensive remedies is always attacked by such

money minting businessmen like the way ramdevji is attacked for

promoting cure of all diseases just through simple pranayama. also

some rudrakshaselling webstore owners have become enemeies because

my objective is only to make available these rudraksha at CHEAPEST

PRICES IN THE WORLD that too after proper purification,

sanctification, energisation and programming. for example, one

webstore is selling a normal 14mukh rudraksha for rupees thirty six

thousand whereas for this amount, i can supply the entire one to

fourteen mukh rudraksha mala in a pure silver chain. because of

this charity service, these businessmen are trying day in and day

out to attack me directly and indrectly and i continue to keep

blessing them and pray to god to grant them sadbhuddhi.

 

let me request one more time to all members to present only facts

and stick to the truth, be it positive or negative, for truth is god

and you cannot meddle with god and truth.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

 

, srinivasa murthy adavi

<smadavi wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Well said.The members will certainly realise the kindness of

the contributors and founding members.

> srinivas

>

> bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Dear Chel,

>

> All Marwadis are not kanjoos

> All Bengalis are not kangalis

> All Maharashtrians are not lukhas

> All delhiwalas are not dilwalas

> All Sindhis are not chors

> All Muslims are not murderers

> All Indians are not patriotic

> And all astrologers are not peddlars.

>

> Understanding Your frustation due to unfulfilled requests probably.

> Also agree to most of what You have said,except,giving all of them

a

> bad name.

> But please do not put all of the group in the pavement peddlars

> society. Not all of them give their contact ids. or nos.or

addresses

> or websites.or invitation to call, And not all of this latter

group

> who are doing this also, prospect clients through this Forum.

> A few among these who do, also can be shortlisted and given the

> benefit of doubt, because in majority of cases they are helping the

> querists free of cost without any interest of monetary gains in

> return. If they try to charge in a few cases, leave them we are no

> one to judge them.Again there is a small group or probably larger

> group who may do this free query answering for ego boosting.

> Still does not matter, because all in all dont You think utlimately

> thousands are being helped for free to make their lifes better ?

> So many astrologers on this Forum who are learned could certainly

> have full time devoted to money making but instead sitting here

and

> so lovingly trying to answer everyone with their optimum knowledge

at

> disposal.- A minute-tiny level of uncultured self proclaimed half-

> baked astrologers who want to immediately catch the boat of money

> making through this great science, does not call for wanton

> proclaiming the whole group as what has been said.

>

> You must have said what You did in a fit of anger, but when it

will

> cool down, You will realise that there are certainly good men

around.

> A fellow senior learned member of this group has just this morning

> posted a letter in pain, which will also depict the position at

this

> side of the wall. So justification on both sides,but no judgmental

> on any group in total.

>

> Regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , "tchelappa" <tchelappa@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi friends,

> >

> > It sounds silly for some astrologers to be preaching from the

> > pedestals while most of them are here hunting for clients whom

> they

> > could take for a ride. One of the astrologers here in this group

is

> > to sell his occult wares like `siyar singi , rudraksha etc',

while

> > the other first scares the questioners and then leads them down

the

> > garden path. In between we have small timers.

> >

> > The `Jyotish Remedies' group has been reduced to a pavement,

where

> > most peddlers entice their customers through their well

established

> > gimmicks.

> >

> > It is these peddlers who need this group more than those who

seek

> > answers. We as seekers have lots of places to go and seek, but

> these

> > peddlers have none.

> >

> > Bye,

> >

> > Chel

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Shri Arjun Sagab,

 

Namaste,

 

Koi fikar ki baat nahi. Bhuliyega nahi ke pathar(stones) usi

vraksh (tree) par padte hain jin par fal(fruits) hote hain.

Aap apna shubh karma karte jaiye and do not worry about

what few people remark.

Kuch to log kahenge, logon ka kaam hai kehna,

chodon bekar ki baaton ko,

kahin beet na jaye raina.

 

Regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> before replying to any member's message, that too with a negative

> bias, like the one posted by mr.chelappa, one shall search as to

who

> or what this poster is all about. a mere search of his name in the

> group reveals not a single message posted by him in this group

> except this cynical mail. neither he was a querent in the group

nor

> a contributing astrologer. for an intelligent person, this itself

> is sufficient to form a opinion on this poster whose first and only

> message in this group is about a highly judgemental remark.

>

> achhon ko bura sabit karna, duniya ki purani aadat hai. old habits

> die hard.

>

> be it critics, jealous enemies or even praising friends, i always

> request them only one thing. kindly stick to truth, for truth

> always triumphs. submit only facts. truth cannot be created or

> destroyed, for truth is god.

>

> when a dhobhi made a negative critical remark, lord rama had to

> testify himself. unfortunatley such dhobhis are the divine forms

> whose only objective is to clean the dirt of others by presenting

> their victims an opportunity to come clean. i always thank such

> people because when we start submitting facts, they flee for cover

> and all of them invariably go into oblivion. once lord ram

supposed

> to have predicted that in kaliyuga, you would see dharam and karam

> both in practice but not sharam. chelappa has proved this

> prediction true, for he can only fire vield missiles.

>

> since he mentioned the holy items siyar singhi and rudraksha, it

> forced me to answer this, as i am the only member in this group who

> has written about this most miraculous item. all facts are

> available in the form of messages in this group alone. some time

> ago, one member rohit made sweeping statements that once an evil

> attacks a human, there is no escape and no god, no poojas, homams

or

> no remedies can cure that. a long thread followed in which i

> praised this holy item siyar singhi which alone is sufficient to

> ward off the evils, as being an exorcist i have been using this for

> long. then several members wrote to me both in the group and in

> private mails that they have never seen a genuine siyar singhi and

> all the items sold in the market even by reputed webstores are

> fake. then to help them, i have scanned a photograph of the

genuine

> siyar singhi and posted in the group photos section and sent a mail

> and have given my address and phone numbers in delhi so that any

> person wishing to have a darshan can visit my home and see this.

> when i got this siyar singhi from a sage two years ago, the hair on

> it was only 2.5 cm long but now it is a whopping 9cm long. i have

> also done free exorcism risking my life (as i took the devil from

> the native on to myself) based on messages posted by the querents

> and the querents too testified this in the group publicly about my

> free services.

>

> secondly about the rudraksha. perhaps i am the only astrologer

> member in most who have been vocal in recommending

> rudraksha, for it is the only holy item recommended by none other

> than lord shiva and finds its recommendation in vedas, puranas and

> upanishads and is the only holy item worn by all individuals

> including the renounced saints. also it is the only holy item in

> the world which is affordable even by the poorest of the poor as a

> normal five mukh rudraksha is available at less than one rupee per

> bead which i generally distribute freely. due to the growing

> popularity of rudraksha and it having no negative affects like

gems,

> some gemsellers have opened false IDs to attack me and stop

> promoting the rudraksha. any good person speaking truth and

> suggesting simple inexpensive remedies is always attacked by such

> money minting businessmen like the way ramdevji is attacked for

> promoting cure of all diseases just through simple pranayama. also

> some rudrakshaselling webstore owners have become enemeies because

> my objective is only to make available these rudraksha at CHEAPEST

> PRICES IN THE WORLD that too after proper purification,

> sanctification, energisation and programming. for example, one

> webstore is selling a normal 14mukh rudraksha for rupees thirty six

> thousand whereas for this amount, i can supply the entire one to

> fourteen mukh rudraksha mala in a pure silver chain. because of

> this charity service, these businessmen are trying day in and day

> out to attack me directly and indrectly and i continue to keep

> blessing them and pray to god to grant them sadbhuddhi.

>

> let me request one more time to all members to present only facts

> and stick to the truth, be it positive or negative, for truth is

god

> and you cannot meddle with god and truth.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

>

> , srinivasa murthy adavi

> <smadavi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > Well said.The members will certainly realise the kindness of

> the contributors and founding members.

> > srinivas

> >

> > bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > Dear Chel,

> >

> > All Marwadis are not kanjoos

> > All Bengalis are not kangalis

> > All Maharashtrians are not lukhas

> > All delhiwalas are not dilwalas

> > All Sindhis are not chors

> > All Muslims are not murderers

> > All Indians are not patriotic

> > And all astrologers are not peddlars.

> >

> > Understanding Your frustation due to unfulfilled requests

probably.

> > Also agree to most of what You have said,except,giving all of

them

> a

> > bad name.

> > But please do not put all of the group in the pavement peddlars

> > society. Not all of them give their contact ids. or nos.or

> addresses

> > or websites.or invitation to call, And not all of this latter

> group

> > who are doing this also, prospect clients through this Forum.

> > A few among these who do, also can be shortlisted and given the

> > benefit of doubt, because in majority of cases they are helping

the

> > querists free of cost without any interest of monetary gains in

> > return. If they try to charge in a few cases, leave them we are

no

> > one to judge them.Again there is a small group or probably larger

> > group who may do this free query answering for ego boosting.

> > Still does not matter, because all in all dont You think

utlimately

> > thousands are being helped for free to make their lifes better ?

> > So many astrologers on this Forum who are learned could certainly

> > have full time devoted to money making but instead sitting here

> and

> > so lovingly trying to answer everyone with their optimum

knowledge

> at

> > disposal.- A minute-tiny level of uncultured self proclaimed half-

> > baked astrologers who want to immediately catch the boat of money

> > making through this great science, does not call for wanton

> > proclaiming the whole group as what has been said.

> >

> > You must have said what You did in a fit of anger, but when it

> will

> > cool down, You will realise that there are certainly good men

> around.

> > A fellow senior learned member of this group has just this

morning

> > posted a letter in pain, which will also depict the position at

> this

> > side of the wall. So justification on both sides,but no judgmental

> > on any group in total.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , "tchelappa" <tchelappa@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi friends,

> > >

> > > It sounds silly for some astrologers to be preaching from the

> > > pedestals while most of them are here hunting for clients whom

> > they

> > > could take for a ride. One of the astrologers here in this

group

> is

> > > to sell his occult wares like `siyar singi , rudraksha etc',

> while

> > > the other first scares the questioners and then leads them down

> the

> > > garden path. In between we have small timers.

> > >

> > > The `Jyotish Remedies' group has been reduced to a pavement,

> where

> > > most peddlers entice their customers through their well

> established

> > > gimmicks.

> > >

> > > It is these peddlers who need this group more than those who

> seek

> > > answers. We as seekers have lots of places to go and seek, but

> > these

> > > peddlers have none.

> > >

> > > Bye,

> > >

> > > Chel

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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