Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 DEAR READERS according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, Makha and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions some corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will make little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived on platform no 3..... Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun > wrote: dear members just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my ayanamsha (1-1-1155, 50.2719) Best wishes Tarun Chopra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our Inner Spirit which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > DEAR READERS > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, Makha and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions some corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will make little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived on platform no 3..... > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun wrote: dear members > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my ayanamsha (1-1-1155, > 50.2719) > > Best wishes > > Tarun Chopra > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Sir, That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system are very perfect in their results and god astrologers following that system can really give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why not try to use that Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. Regards, Bhaskar. crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our Inner Spirit which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > DEAR READERS > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, Makha and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions some corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will make little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived on platform no 3..... > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun wrote: dear members > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my ayanamsha (1-1-1155, > 50.2719) > > Best wishes > > Tarun Chopra > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Yes Mr. Maheswari, I have heard of similar and stronger claims made both for K.P. and Lahiri/KP ayanamsha numerous times in the last thirty some years. Astrology and Athrishta has always been full of same. I do not know what the real deal is, but if such accuracy exists, then why do these other ayanamshas and systems continue to flourish? I mean we are all the same human beings. Hardly anyone practices alchemy any more and have turned to chemistry long ago. Astrology predates science by centuries and the same cohort of human beings have had a longer time to accept what works and what can be discarded readily! Why has that not happened? Perhaps practitioners of KP have been too shy to demonstrate and describe the basis of their strongly worded conviction in more elaborate and descriptive format. Please note, I have nothing against KP or some radical value of ayanamshas. Most people are very reasonable and if given evidence rather than claims are intelligent enough to come to the right conclusions! Like choosing between alchemy and chemistry! Best wishes RR , Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system are very > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that system can really > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why not try to use that > Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. > Regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our Inner Spirit > which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! > > <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > DEAR READERS > > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely > picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, Makha > and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions some > corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will make > little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived on > platform no 3..... > > > > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> > wrote: dear members > > > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my ayanamsha > (1-1-1155, > > 50.2719) > > > > Best wishes > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Sir, I have personally witnessed the results in my own horoscope and astounding facts have been revealed with total analytical logical deductions, thatswhy I suggested. Wouldnt You like to share your experiences of eating tasty delicasies in a resteurant with Your friends and associates ? in the same way I have mentioned. There are many websites to learn the basic rules and the faithful have not left any rules for You to learn by spending any money. You can learn from the website itself. Evidence which comes in eating the pudding will come only once learning the rules and applying to own horoscope and others . Anyway I am not here to propogate any system. The milk is Parashari. A student(KrisnaMurthy) like us churned the milk and took out the butter. He was an exalted student so developed a system. If we cant churn the milk then why not eat the butter . Sir we have to be open minded to all systems of progonistication and ultimately become more perfect. Regards, Bhaskar. crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Yes Mr. Maheswari, I have heard of similar and stronger claims made both for K.P. and Lahiri/KP ayanamsha numerous times in the last thirty some years. Astrology and Athrishta has always been full of same. I do not know what the real deal is, but if such accuracy exists, then why do these other ayanamshas and systems continue to flourish? I mean we are all the same human beings. Hardly anyone practices alchemy any more and have turned to chemistry long ago. Astrology predates science by centuries and the same cohort of human beings have had a longer time to accept what works and what can be discarded readily! Why has that not happened? Perhaps practitioners of KP have been too shy to demonstrate and describe the basis of their strongly worded conviction in more elaborate and descriptive format. Please note, I have nothing against KP or some radical value of ayanamshas. Most people are very reasonable and if given evidence rather than claims are intelligent enough to come to the right conclusions! Like choosing between alchemy and chemistry! Best wishes RR , Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system are very > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that system can really > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why not try to use that > Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. > Regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our Inner Spirit > which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! > > <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > DEAR READERS > > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely > picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, Makha > and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions some > corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will make > little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived on > platform no 3..... > > > > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> > wrote: dear members > > > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my ayanamsha > (1-1-1155, > > 50.2719) > > > > Best wishes > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Mr. Maheswari, I applaud your success in arriving at which system and ayanamsha are the right one, based on your personal experience in your horoscope. Similar expression of firm conviction have been voiced on astrological forums by others, here and elsewhere for systems, paddhatis and ayanamshas. Two common themes in such pronouncements (essence maintained though words have been paraphrased) had been: "a) This is the only accurate method, all others are mistaken b) If you do not believe it, try it" Glad to hear that your personal quest is over, forever and thanks for taking the time and making the effort to share your joyful tidings with the rest of the forum. RR , Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > I have personally witnessed the results in my own horoscope and astounding facts have been revealed with total analytical logical deductions, thatswhy I suggested. Wouldnt You like to share your experiences of eating tasty delicasies in a resteurant with Your friends and associates ? in the same way I have mentioned. There are many websites to learn the basic rules and the faithful have not left any rules for You to learn by spending any money. You can learn from the website itself. Evidence which comes in eating the pudding will come only once learning the rules and applying to own horoscope and others . > Anyway I am not here to propogate any system. The milk is Parashari. A student(KrisnaMurthy) like us churned the milk and took out the butter. > He was an exalted student so developed a system. If we cant churn the milk then why not eat the butter . Sir we have to be open minded to all systems of progonistication and ultimately become more perfect. > Regards, > Bhaskar. > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Yes Mr. Maheswari, > > I have heard of similar and stronger claims made both for K.P. and > Lahiri/KP ayanamsha numerous times in the last thirty some years. > Astrology and Athrishta has always been full of same. > > I do not know what the real deal is, but if such accuracy exists, > then why do these other ayanamshas and systems continue to flourish? > I mean we are all the same human beings. Hardly anyone practices > alchemy any more and have turned to chemistry long ago. Astrology > predates science by centuries and the same cohort of human beings > have had a longer time to accept what works and what can be discarded > readily! > > Why has that not happened? Perhaps practitioners of KP have been too > shy to demonstrate and describe the basis of their strongly worded > conviction in more elaborate and descriptive format. > > Please note, I have nothing against KP or some radical value of > ayanamshas. Most people are very reasonable and if given evidence > rather than claims are intelligent enough to come to the right > conclusions! Like choosing between alchemy and chemistry! > > Best wishes > > RR > > , Bhaskar Maheswari > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I > was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system > are very > > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that > system can really > > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why not > try to use that > > Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha > has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great > science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does > make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, > then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic > change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. > > Regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our > Inner Spirit > > which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! > > > > <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > DEAR READERS > > > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > > > > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely > > picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, Makha > > and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions some > > corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will make > > little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived on > > platform no 3..... > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> > > wrote: dear members > > > > > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my ayanamsha > > (1-1-1155, > > > 50.2719) > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 dear bhaskarji you wrote: "Ramans ayanamsha has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great science" this is a news to me as me and many other astrologers are still using raman's ayanamsha and all astrology softwares like Parashar give the option of raman's ayanamsha ahead of krishnamurthy ayanamsha. could you furnish that PROOF and mention who are these stalwarts who have proved sri B.V.Raman's ayanamsha wrong. with best wishes pandit arjun , Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system are very > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that system can really > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why not try to use that > Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. > Regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our Inner Spirit > which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! > > <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > DEAR READERS > > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely > picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, Makha > and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions some > corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will make > little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived on > platform no 3..... > > > > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> > wrote: dear members > > > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my ayanamsha > (1-1-1155, > > 50.2719) > > > > Best wishes > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Arjunji, Language is such an intriguing thing! The term stalwarts obviously means those who are accomplished, scholars and to be respected, but please note that the term contains two derogatory components Stal(l) could mean activities (and actors) that can impede progress and Wart -- the literal and idiomatic meaning of which term is anything but commendable. RR , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear bhaskarji > > you wrote: > "Ramans ayanamsha has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of > this great science" > > this is a news to me as me and many other astrologers are still > using raman's ayanamsha and all astrology softwares like Parashar > give the option of raman's ayanamsha ahead of krishnamurthy > ayanamsha. could you furnish that PROOF and mention who are these > stalwarts who have proved sri B.V.Raman's ayanamsha wrong. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , Bhaskar Maheswari > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I > was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system > are very > > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that > system can really > > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why > not try to use that > > Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha > has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great > science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does > make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, > then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic > change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. > > Regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our > Inner Spirit > > which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! > > > > <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > DEAR READERS > > > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > > > > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely > > picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, > Makha > > and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions some > > corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will make > > little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived > on > > platform no 3..... > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> > > wrote: dear members > > > > > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my ayanamsha > > (1-1-1155, > > > 50.2719) > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Sir, Instead of asking proof if You have been continously doing study in Astrology and keeping update, then theres was no need for this question ? I am not here to create differences amongst people by taking names, but the results definitely show when You use different Ayanamshas. Results will only show if You take up at least 5 horoscopes in a day and check the results and be honest in Your assessment . Bhaskar. panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: dear bhaskarji you wrote: "Ramans ayanamsha has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great science" this is a news to me as me and many other astrologers are still using raman's ayanamsha and all astrology softwares like Parashar give the option of raman's ayanamsha ahead of krishnamurthy ayanamsha. could you furnish that PROOF and mention who are these stalwarts who have proved sri B.V.Raman's ayanamsha wrong. with best wishes pandit arjun , Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system are very > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that system can really > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why not try to use that > Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. > Regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our Inner Spirit > which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! > > <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > DEAR READERS > > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely > picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, Makha > and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions some > corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will make > little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived on > platform no 3..... > > > > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> > wrote: dear members > > > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my ayanamsha > (1-1-1155, > > 50.2719) > > > > Best wishes > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 dear friend do not put onus on me to research the proven failure of B.V.Raman's ayanamsha which was your observation and not mine. anyway, to answer your message, i have been using B.V.Raman's ayanamsha, it has been a PROVEN SUCCESS FOR ME. with best wishes pandit arjun , Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > Instead of asking proof if You have been continously doing study in Astrology > and keeping update, then theres was no need for this question ? > I am not here to create differences amongst people by taking names, but the results definitely show when You use different Ayanamshas. Results will > only show if You take up at least 5 horoscopes in a day and check the results > and be honest in Your assessment . > > Bhaskar. > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear bhaskarji > > you wrote: > "Ramans ayanamsha has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of > this great science" > > this is a news to me as me and many other astrologers are still > using raman's ayanamsha and all astrology softwares like Parashar > give the option of raman's ayanamsha ahead of krishnamurthy > ayanamsha. could you furnish that PROOF and mention who are these > stalwarts who have proved sri B.V.Raman's ayanamsha wrong. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , Bhaskar Maheswari > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I > was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system > are very > > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that > system can really > > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why > not try to use that > > Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha > has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great > science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does > make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, > then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic > change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. > > Regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our > Inner Spirit > > which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! > > > > <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > DEAR READERS > > > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > > > > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely > > picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, > Makha > > and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions some > > corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will make > > little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived > on > > platform no 3..... > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> > > wrote: dear members > > > > > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my ayanamsha > > (1-1-1155, > > > 50.2719) > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Before You ask me proof- Can You give proof that these softwares put Ramans Ayanamsha ahead of Kps. Can You give proof that many astrologers are using Raman ayanamsha ? Sir many people using Windows DOS applications still or Windows 95 does not prove them wrong or right ? The results have to come in proper when forecasting ?why are You bent on fighting with me I dont understand. I will prove winner if You want to continue so, because I have been studying and not making gullible people fool. Does people who still calculate multiplication on fingers wrong or right ? I will not comment. But when You have a better option like calculator whats wrong in using that ? Bhaskar Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Sir, Instead of asking proof if You have been continously doing study in Astrology and keeping update, then theres was no need for this question ? I am not here to create differences amongst people by taking names, but the results definitely show when You use different Ayanamshas. Results will only show if You take up at least 5 horoscopes in a day and check the results and be honest in Your assessment . Bhaskar. panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: dear bhaskarji you wrote: "Ramans ayanamsha has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great science" this is a news to me as me and many other astrologers are still using raman's ayanamsha and all astrology softwares like Parashar give the option of raman's ayanamsha ahead of krishnamurthy ayanamsha. could you furnish that PROOF and mention who are these stalwarts who have proved sri B.V.Raman's ayanamsha wrong. with best wishes pandit arjun , Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system are very > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that system can really > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why not try to use that > Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. > Regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our Inner Spirit > which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! > > <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> > > RR > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > DEAR READERS > > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely > picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, Makha > and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions some > corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will make > little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived on > platform no 3..... > > > > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> > wrote: dear members > > > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my ayanamsha > (1-1-1155, > > 50.2719) > > > > Best wishes > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Dont think that the other members are idiots . Where have I mentioned that this system or Ayanamsha is the best ? Dont try to mix the words and show that this is the essence to the other members of this Forum. I have noticed that You have a nature of sarcasm.Kindly curb that. Any wise astrologer would never limit himself to one system or have bias towards any. On the contrary he will try to bring the common principles of all on a a single platform and the predict. You cannot have blessings of Shri Ram if You hate Lord Sankara. Both have to be loved. Anyway I doubt You will understand this. You are just trying to prove yourself very smart and rest as fools. Bhaskar. crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Mr. Maheswari, I applaud your success in arriving at which system and ayanamsha are the right one, based on your personal experience in your horoscope. Similar expression of firm conviction have been voiced on astrological forums by others, here and elsewhere for systems, paddhatis and ayanamshas. Two common themes in such pronouncements (essence maintained though words have been paraphrased) had been: "a) This is the only accurate method, all others are mistaken b) If you do not believe it, try it" Glad to hear that your personal quest is over, forever and thanks for taking the time and making the effort to share your joyful tidings with the rest of the forum. RR , Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Sir, > I have personally witnessed the results in my own horoscope and astounding facts have been revealed with total analytical logical deductions, thatswhy I suggested. Wouldnt You like to share your experiences of eating tasty delicasies in a resteurant with Your friends and associates ? in the same way I have mentioned. There are many websites to learn the basic rules and the faithful have not left any rules for You to learn by spending any money. You can learn from the website itself. Evidence which comes in eating the pudding will come only once learning the rules and applying to own horoscope and others . > Anyway I am not here to propogate any system. The milk is Parashari. A student(KrisnaMurthy) like us churned the milk and took out the butter. > He was an exalted student so developed a system. If we cant churn the milk then why not eat the butter . Sir we have to be open minded to all systems of progonistication and ultimately become more perfect. > Regards, > Bhaskar. > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Yes Mr. Maheswari, > > I have heard of similar and stronger claims made both for K.P. and > Lahiri/KP ayanamsha numerous times in the last thirty some years. > Astrology and Athrishta has always been full of same. > > I do not know what the real deal is, but if such accuracy exists, > then why do these other ayanamshas and systems continue to flourish? > I mean we are all the same human beings. Hardly anyone practices > alchemy any more and have turned to chemistry long ago. Astrology > predates science by centuries and the same cohort of human beings > have had a longer time to accept what works and what can be discarded > readily! > > Why has that not happened? Perhaps practitioners of KP have been too > shy to demonstrate and describe the basis of their strongly worded > conviction in more elaborate and descriptive format. > > Please note, I have nothing against KP or some radical value of > ayanamshas. Most people are very reasonable and if given evidence > rather than claims are intelligent enough to come to the right > conclusions! Like choosing between alchemy and chemistry! > > Best wishes > > RR > > , Bhaskar Maheswari > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I > was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system > are very > > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that > system can really > > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why not > try to use that > > Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha > has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great > science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does > make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, > then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic > change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. > > Regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our > Inner Spirit > > which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! > > > > <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > DEAR READERS > > > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > > > > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely > > picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, Makha > > and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions some > > corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will make > > little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived on > > platform no 3..... > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> > > wrote: dear members > > > > > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my ayanamsha > > (1-1-1155, > > > 50.2719) > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Trying to make new friends, are we? Quoting your own words (scroll below and read for yourself): "Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system > > are very > > > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that > > system can really > > > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes." Hardly leaves anything to the imagination, won't you say, Mr. Maheswari? I would rather be sarcastic and sardonic, as opposed to being emotionally *volatile* within the span of a couple of hours and a dozen or so messages, swinging from one state to another! RR , Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dont think that the other members are idiots . Where have I mentioned that this > system or Ayanamsha is the best ? Dont try to mix the words and show that this is the essence to the other members of this Forum. I have noticed that You have a nature of sarcasm.Kindly curb that. Any wise astrologer would never limit himself to one system or have bias towards any. On the contrary he will > try to bring the common principles of all on a a single platform and the predict. > You cannot have blessings of Shri Ram if You hate Lord Sankara. Both have to be loved. Anyway I doubt You will understand this. You are just trying to prove yourself very smart and rest as fools. > Bhaskar. > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Mr. Maheswari, > > I applaud your success in arriving at which system and ayanamsha are > the right one, based on your personal experience in your horoscope. > Similar expression of firm conviction have been voiced on > astrological forums by others, here and elsewhere for systems, > paddhatis and ayanamshas. > > Two common themes in such pronouncements (essence maintained though > words have been paraphrased) had been: > > "a) This is the only accurate method, all others are mistaken > b) If you do not believe it, try it" > > Glad to hear that your personal quest is over, forever and thanks for > taking the time and making the effort to share your joyful tidings > with the rest of the forum. > > RR > > , Bhaskar Maheswari > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > I have personally witnessed the results in my own horoscope and > astounding facts have been revealed with total analytical logical > deductions, thatswhy I suggested. Wouldnt You like to share your > experiences of eating tasty delicasies in a resteurant with Your > friends and associates ? in the same way I have mentioned. There are > many websites to learn the basic rules and the faithful have not left > any rules for You to learn by spending any money. You can learn from > the website itself. Evidence which comes in eating the pudding will > come only once learning the rules and applying to own horoscope and > others . > > Anyway I am not here to propogate any system. The milk is > Parashari. A student(KrisnaMurthy) like us churned the milk and took > out the butter. > > He was an exalted student so developed a system. If we cant > churn the milk then why not eat the butter . Sir we have to be open > minded to all systems of progonistication and ultimately become more > perfect. > > Regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Yes Mr. Maheswari, > > > > I have heard of similar and stronger claims made both for K.P. and > > Lahiri/KP ayanamsha numerous times in the last thirty some years. > > Astrology and Athrishta has always been full of same. > > > > I do not know what the real deal is, but if such accuracy exists, > > then why do these other ayanamshas and systems continue to > flourish? > > I mean we are all the same human beings. Hardly anyone practices > > alchemy any more and have turned to chemistry long ago. Astrology > > predates science by centuries and the same cohort of human beings > > have had a longer time to accept what works and what can be > discarded > > readily! > > > > Why has that not happened? Perhaps practitioners of KP have been > too > > shy to demonstrate and describe the basis of their strongly worded > > conviction in more elaborate and descriptive format. > > > > Please note, I have nothing against KP or some radical value of > > ayanamshas. Most people are very reasonable and if given evidence > > rather than claims are intelligent enough to come to the right > > conclusions! Like choosing between alchemy and chemistry! > > > > Best wishes > > > > RR > > > > , Bhaskar Maheswari > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I > > was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system > > are very > > > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that > > system can really > > > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why not > > try to use that > > > Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha > > has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great > > science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does > > make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, > > then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic > > change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. > > > Regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our > > Inner Spirit > > > which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! > > > > > > <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > DEAR READERS > > > > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > > > > > > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely > > > picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, > Makha > > > and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions > some > > > corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will > make > > > little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived > on > > > platform no 3..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> > > > wrote: dear members > > > > > > > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my > ayanamsha > > > (1-1-1155, > > > > 50.2719) > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 dear friend you are changing your words swifty from PROVEN to SAID. you asked me to give proof of which software puts raman's ayanamsha ahead of KP. since all my statements are based on facts i appreciate if members like you ask me to support and substantiate it. go to the #1 vedic astrology software Parashar. Under Options:Calculations you will find the following ayanamshas: 1. Lahiri 2. None (Sayana) 3. Yukteshwar 4. Raman 5. Bhasin 6. Fagan 7. Krishnamurhty 8. Krishnamurthy New now, may i ask you to furnish the proof with which you made a statement that raman's ayanamsha was PROVEN WRONG. with best wishes pandit arjun , Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Before You ask me proof- > Can You give proof that these softwares put Ramans Ayanamsha ahead of Kps. Can You give proof that many astrologers are using Raman ayanamsha ? > Sir many people using Windows DOS applications still or Windows 95 does not prove them wrong or right ? The results have to come in proper when forecasting ?why are You bent on fighting with me I dont understand. I will prove winner if You want to continue so, because I have been studying and not making gullible people fool. Does people who still calculate multiplication on fingers wrong or right ? I will not comment. But when You have a better option like calculator whats wrong in using that ? > Bhaskar > > > Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Sir, > Instead of asking proof if You have been continously doing study in Astrology > and keeping update, then theres was no need for this question ? > I am not here to create differences amongst people by taking names, but the results definitely show when You use different Ayanamshas. Results will > only show if You take up at least 5 horoscopes in a day and check the results > and be honest in Your assessment . > > Bhaskar. > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear bhaskarji > > you wrote: > "Ramans ayanamsha has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of > this great science" > > this is a news to me as me and many other astrologers are still > using raman's ayanamsha and all astrology softwares like Parashar > give the option of raman's ayanamsha ahead of krishnamurthy > ayanamsha. could you furnish that PROOF and mention who are these > stalwarts who have proved sri B.V.Raman's ayanamsha wrong. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , Bhaskar Maheswari > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I > was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system > are very > > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that > system can really > > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why > not try to use that > > Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha > has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great > science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does > make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, > then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic > change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. > > Regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our > Inner Spirit > > which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! > > > > <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > DEAR READERS > > > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > > > > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely > > picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, > Makha > > and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions some > > corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will make > > little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived > on > > platform no 3..... > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> > > wrote: dear members > > > > > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my ayanamsha > > (1-1-1155, > > > 50.2719) > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Sir, Dont think that all the members are idiots as I said before.Forget Parashar Light. All the Softwares will show the ayanamshas that You have mentioned. Does that prove that they are all right ? What a senseless understanding of facts ? I have asked You which software puts Ramans Ayanamsha ahead means which software has written in its introduction tha You "use only Ramans Ayanamsha" and 'we are nincompoops the other ayanamsha we have put just to show that we are aware of the others too '. Have they said this ? Mr Arjun You are trying toput a senseless argument across which does nt have a base. When the softwares have put so many ayanamshas in their system, it itself means that it is catering to all types of astrologers and not catering to one system. By putting Ramans and also including other it also gives importance to all of them. If the Parashar had only put Ramans ayanamsha then it would be understood that they arefavouring Ramans and not others. This was not to be explained. I hope the rest of the members would have understood this., already. Bhaskar panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: dear friend you are changing your words swifty from PROVEN to SAID. you asked me to give proof of which software puts raman's ayanamsha ahead of KP. since all my statements are based on facts i appreciate if members like you ask me to support and substantiate it. go to the #1 vedic astrology software Parashar. Under Options:Calculations you will find the following ayanamshas: 1. Lahiri 2. None (Sayana) 3. Yukteshwar 4. Raman 5. Bhasin 6. Fagan 7. Krishnamurhty 8. Krishnamurthy New now, may i ask you to furnish the proof with which you made a statement that raman's ayanamsha was PROVEN WRONG. with best wishes pandit arjun , Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Before You ask me proof- > Can You give proof that these softwares put Ramans Ayanamsha ahead of Kps. Can You give proof that many astrologers are using Raman ayanamsha ? > Sir many people using Windows DOS applications still or Windows 95 does not prove them wrong or right ? The results have to come in proper when forecasting ?why are You bent on fighting with me I dont understand. I will prove winner if You want to continue so, because I have been studying and not making gullible people fool. Does people who still calculate multiplication on fingers wrong or right ? I will not comment. But when You have a better option like calculator whats wrong in using that ? > Bhaskar > > > Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Sir, > Instead of asking proof if You have been continously doing study in Astrology > and keeping update, then theres was no need for this question ? > I am not here to create differences amongst people by taking names, but the results definitely show when You use different Ayanamshas. Results will > only show if You take up at least 5 horoscopes in a day and check the results > and be honest in Your assessment . > > Bhaskar. > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear bhaskarji > > you wrote: > "Ramans ayanamsha has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of > this great science" > > this is a news to me as me and many other astrologers are still > using raman's ayanamsha and all astrology softwares like Parashar > give the option of raman's ayanamsha ahead of krishnamurthy > ayanamsha. could you furnish that PROOF and mention who are these > stalwarts who have proved sri B.V.Raman's ayanamsha wrong. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , Bhaskar Maheswari > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I > was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system > are very > > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that > system can really > > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why > not try to use that > > Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha > has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great > science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does > make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, > then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic > change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. > > Regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our > Inner Spirit > > which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! > > > > <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> > > > > RR > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > DEAR READERS > > > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > > > > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely > > picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, > Makha > > and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions some > > corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will make > > little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived > on > > platform no 3..... > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> > > wrote: dear members > > > > > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my ayanamsha > > (1-1-1155, > > > 50.2719) > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Dear , Where is the swinging ? Have You taken one or two pegs more than your usual dose ? If You have not seen God does it mean that You will deny His existence ? If You have not gone to a KP practioner and judged the results or not learnt KP system and applied on own self , or You have no knowledge of it does it mean that its wrong ? I still stick to my words, any good KP practioner will give You the marriage date in minutes , and this is only due to Ayanamsha because in that system they take to nakshatra Sub Lord in question, Anyway why am I explaining all this to You. You are biased in Your approach and this is not the path to progression friend. crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Trying to make new friends, are we? Quoting your own words (scroll below and read for yourself): "Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system > > are very > > > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that > > system can really > > > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes." Hardly leaves anything to the imagination, won't you say, Mr. Maheswari? I would rather be sarcastic and sardonic, as opposed to being emotionally *volatile* within the span of a couple of hours and a dozen or so messages, swinging from one state to another! RR , Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dont think that the other members are idiots . Where have I mentioned that this > system or Ayanamsha is the best ? Dont try to mix the words and show that this is the essence to the other members of this Forum. I have noticed that You have a nature of sarcasm.Kindly curb that. Any wise astrologer would never limit himself to one system or have bias towards any. On the contrary he will > try to bring the common principles of all on a a single platform and the predict. > You cannot have blessings of Shri Ram if You hate Lord Sankara. Both have to be loved. Anyway I doubt You will understand this. You are just trying to prove yourself very smart and rest as fools. > Bhaskar. > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Mr. Maheswari, > > I applaud your success in arriving at which system and ayanamsha are > the right one, based on your personal experience in your horoscope. > Similar expression of firm conviction have been voiced on > astrological forums by others, here and elsewhere for systems, > paddhatis and ayanamshas. > > Two common themes in such pronouncements (essence maintained though > words have been paraphrased) had been: > > "a) This is the only accurate method, all others are mistaken > b) If you do not believe it, try it" > > Glad to hear that your personal quest is over, forever and thanks for > taking the time and making the effort to share your joyful tidings > with the rest of the forum. > > RR > > , Bhaskar Maheswari > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > I have personally witnessed the results in my own horoscope and > astounding facts have been revealed with total analytical logical > deductions, thatswhy I suggested. Wouldnt You like to share your > experiences of eating tasty delicasies in a resteurant with Your > friends and associates ? in the same way I have mentioned. There are > many websites to learn the basic rules and the faithful have not left > any rules for You to learn by spending any money. You can learn from > the website itself. Evidence which comes in eating the pudding will > come only once learning the rules and applying to own horoscope and > others . > > Anyway I am not here to propogate any system. The milk is > Parashari. A student(KrisnaMurthy) like us churned the milk and took > out the butter. > > He was an exalted student so developed a system. If we cant > churn the milk then why not eat the butter . Sir we have to be open > minded to all systems of progonistication and ultimately become more > perfect. > > Regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Yes Mr. Maheswari, > > > > I have heard of similar and stronger claims made both for K.P. and > > Lahiri/KP ayanamsha numerous times in the last thirty some years. > > Astrology and Athrishta has always been full of same. > > > > I do not know what the real deal is, but if such accuracy exists, > > then why do these other ayanamshas and systems continue to > flourish? > > I mean we are all the same human beings. Hardly anyone practices > > alchemy any more and have turned to chemistry long ago. Astrology > > predates science by centuries and the same cohort of human beings > > have had a longer time to accept what works and what can be > discarded > > readily! > > > > Why has that not happened? Perhaps practitioners of KP have been > too > > shy to demonstrate and describe the basis of their strongly worded > > conviction in more elaborate and descriptive format. > > > > Please note, I have nothing against KP or some radical value of > > ayanamshas. Most people are very reasonable and if given evidence > > rather than claims are intelligent enough to come to the right > > conclusions! Like choosing between alchemy and chemistry! > > > > Best wishes > > > > RR > > > > , Bhaskar Maheswari > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I > > was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system > > are very > > > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that > > system can really > > > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why not > > try to use that > > > Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha > > has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great > > science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does > > make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, > > then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic > > change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. > > > Regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our > > Inner Spirit > > > which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! > > > > > > <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > DEAR READERS > > > > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > > > > > > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely > > > picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, > Makha > > > and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions > some > > > corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will > make > > > little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived > on > > > platform no 3..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> > > > wrote: dear members > > > > > > > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my > ayanamsha > > > (1-1-1155, > > > > 50.2719) > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Mr. Maheswari, It is interesting that in a couple of your messages responding to different people, you have resorted to references to alcohol. Is it weighing heavily on your mind, by any chance, at this time? RR , Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear , > Where is the swinging ? Have You taken one or two pegs more than your usual dose ? If You have not seen God does it mean that You will deny His existence ? If You have not gone to a KP practioner and judged the results or not learnt KP system and applied on own self , or You have no knowledge of it does it mean that its wrong ? I still stick to my words, any good KP practioner will give You the marriage date in minutes , and this is only due to Ayanamsha because in that system they take to nakshatra Sub Lord in question, Anyway why am I explaining all this to You. You are biased in > Your approach and this is not the path to progression friend. > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > Trying to make new friends, are we? > > Quoting your own words (scroll below and read for yourself): > "Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system > > > are very > > > > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that > > > system can really > > > > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes." > > Hardly leaves anything to the imagination, won't you say, Mr. > Maheswari? > > I would rather be sarcastic and sardonic, as opposed to being > emotionally *volatile* within the span of a couple of hours and a > dozen or so messages, swinging from one state to another! > > RR > > , Bhaskar Maheswari > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dont think that the other members are idiots . Where have I > mentioned that this > > system or Ayanamsha is the best ? Dont try to mix the words and > show that this is the essence to the other members of this Forum. I > have noticed that You have a nature of sarcasm.Kindly curb that. Any > wise astrologer would never limit himself to one system or have bias > towards any. On the contrary he will > > try to bring the common principles of all on a a single platform > and the predict. > > You cannot have blessings of Shri Ram if You hate Lord Sankara. > Both have to be loved. Anyway I doubt You will understand this. You > are just trying to prove yourself very smart and rest as fools. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Mr. Maheswari, > > > > I applaud your success in arriving at which system and ayanamsha > are > > the right one, based on your personal experience in your horoscope. > > Similar expression of firm conviction have been voiced on > > astrological forums by others, here and elsewhere for systems, > > paddhatis and ayanamshas. > > > > Two common themes in such pronouncements (essence maintained though > > words have been paraphrased) had been: > > > > "a) This is the only accurate method, all others are mistaken > > b) If you do not believe it, try it" > > > > Glad to hear that your personal quest is over, forever and thanks > for > > taking the time and making the effort to share your joyful tidings > > with the rest of the forum. > > > > RR > > > > , Bhaskar Maheswari > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > I have personally witnessed the results in my own horoscope and > > astounding facts have been revealed with total analytical logical > > deductions, thatswhy I suggested. Wouldnt You like to share your > > experiences of eating tasty delicasies in a resteurant with Your > > friends and associates ? in the same way I have mentioned. There > are > > many websites to learn the basic rules and the faithful have not > left > > any rules for You to learn by spending any money. You can learn > from > > the website itself. Evidence which comes in eating the pudding will > > come only once learning the rules and applying to own horoscope and > > others . > > > Anyway I am not here to propogate any system. The milk is > > Parashari. A student(KrisnaMurthy) like us churned the milk and > took > > out the butter. > > > He was an exalted student so developed a system. If we cant > > churn the milk then why not eat the butter . Sir we have to be open > > minded to all systems of progonistication and ultimately become > more > > perfect. > > > Regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > Yes Mr. Maheswari, > > > > > > I have heard of similar and stronger claims made both for K.P. > and > > > Lahiri/KP ayanamsha numerous times in the last thirty some years. > > > Astrology and Athrishta has always been full of same. > > > > > > I do not know what the real deal is, but if such accuracy exists, > > > then why do these other ayanamshas and systems continue to > > flourish? > > > I mean we are all the same human beings. Hardly anyone practices > > > alchemy any more and have turned to chemistry long ago. Astrology > > > predates science by centuries and the same cohort of human beings > > > have had a longer time to accept what works and what can be > > discarded > > > readily! > > > > > > Why has that not happened? Perhaps practitioners of KP have been > > too > > > shy to demonstrate and describe the basis of their strongly > worded > > > conviction in more elaborate and descriptive format. > > > > > > Please note, I have nothing against KP or some radical value of > > > ayanamshas. Most people are very reasonable and if given evidence > > > rather than claims are intelligent enough to come to the right > > > conclusions! Like choosing between alchemy and chemistry! > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Bhaskar Maheswari > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as > I > > > was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP > system > > > are very > > > > perfect in their results and god astrologers following that > > > system can really > > > > give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why > not > > > try to use that > > > > Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha > > > has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great > > > science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it > does > > > make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, > > > then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic > > > change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. > > > > Regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our > > > Inner Spirit > > > > which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! > > > > > > > > <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > DEAR READERS > > > > > according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > > > > > > > > > > well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely > > > > picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, > > Makha > > > > and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions > > some > > > > corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will > > make > > > > little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has > arrived > > on > > > > platform no 3..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> > > > > wrote: dear members > > > > > > > > > > just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my > > ayanamsha > > > > (1-1-1155, > > > > > 50.2719) > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Dear friends, A lot of predictions can be given even worrying about the ayanamsha. So what Ayanamsa these accuate predictions prove afterall ! Neither yours nor mine ! with best wishes, Mrutyunjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Dear Bhaskar ji I have been following your thread and discussions between you / Shri Kumar ji / Ranjan ji / Pandit Arjun ji. I hope, we are all settled for astrological discussions and look forward to understand effectiveness of Kp system in astrological interpretation. Since, you are proficient in Kp system (per yr statements), will also like to understand - how is it filtered system over standard parashari. I did try to understand few years (8/9) back from Krishnamoorty books the KP system, but really could not get down to sub-sub level role in event prediction. In my view, constellation based astrology is the base fabric of any astrology, but role of planet do change under various overriding factors. If you permit, I will like to post few charts for your guideline in fixing the possible timing of events using yr system. regards / Prafulla Gang "A Burden is always on your head and a responsibility is always on your shoulders. So it is always easy to bear something on shoulders." > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:48:32 +0100 (BST) > > Re: Saturn in Leo 16/7 > > Dont think that the other members are idiots . Where have I mentioned > that this > system or Ayanamsha is the best ? Dont try to mix the words and show > that this is the essence to the other members of this Forum. I have > noticed that You have a nature of sarcasm.Kindly curb that. Any wise > astrologer would never limit himself to one system or have bias towards > any. On the contrary he will > try to bring the common principles of all on a a single platform and > the predict. > You cannot have blessings of Shri Ram if You hate Lord Sankara. Both > have to be loved. Anyway I doubt You will understand this. You are just > trying to prove yourself very smart and rest as fools. > Bhaskar. > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > Mr. Maheswari, > > I applaud your success in arriving at which system and ayanamsha are > the right one, based on your personal experience in your horoscope. > Similar expression of firm conviction have been voiced on > astrological forums by others, here and elsewhere for systems, > paddhatis and ayanamshas. > > Two common themes in such pronouncements (essence maintained though > words have been paraphrased) had been: > > "a) This is the only accurate method, all others are mistaken > b) If you do not believe it, try it" > > Glad to hear that your personal quest is over, forever and thanks for > taking the time and making the effort to share your joyful tidings > with the rest of the forum. > > RR > > , Bhaskar Maheswari > <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: >> >> Sir, >> I have personally witnessed the results in my own horoscope and > astounding facts have been revealed with total analytical logical > deductions, thatswhy I suggested. Wouldnt You like to share your > experiences of eating tasty delicasies in a resteurant with Your > friends and associates ? in the same way I have mentioned. There are > many websites to learn the basic rules and the faithful have not left > any rules for You to learn by spending any money. You can learn from > the website itself. Evidence which comes in eating the pudding will > come only once learning the rules and applying to own horoscope and > others . >> Anyway I am not here to propogate any system. The milk is > Parashari. A student(KrisnaMurthy) like us churned the milk and took > out the butter. >> He was an exalted student so developed a system. If we cant > churn the milk then why not eat the butter . Sir we have to be open > minded to all systems of progonistication and ultimately become more > perfect. >> Regards, >> Bhaskar. >> >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: >> Yes Mr. Maheswari, >> >> I have heard of similar and stronger claims made both for K.P. and >> Lahiri/KP ayanamsha numerous times in the last thirty some years. >> Astrology and Athrishta has always been full of same. >> >> I do not know what the real deal is, but if such accuracy exists, >> then why do these other ayanamshas and systems continue to > flourish? >> I mean we are all the same human beings. Hardly anyone practices >> alchemy any more and have turned to chemistry long ago. Astrology >> predates science by centuries and the same cohort of human beings >> have had a longer time to accept what works and what can be > discarded >> readily! >> >> Why has that not happened? Perhaps practitioners of KP have been > too >> shy to demonstrate and describe the basis of their strongly worded >> conviction in more elaborate and descriptive format. >> >> Please note, I have nothing against KP or some radical value of >> ayanamshas. Most people are very reasonable and if given evidence >> rather than claims are intelligent enough to come to the right >> conclusions! Like choosing between alchemy and chemistry! >> >> Best wishes >> >> RR >> >> , Bhaskar Maheswari >> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>> >>> Sir, >>> That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I >> was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system >> are very >>> perfect in their results and god astrologers following that >> system can really >>> give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why not >> try to use that >>> Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha >> has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great >> science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does >> make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, >> then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic >> change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. >>> Regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: >>> Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our >> Inner Spirit >>> which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! >>> >>> <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> >>> >>> RR >>> >>> , Prashant Kumar G B >>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: >>>> >>>> DEAR READERS >>>> according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. >>>> >>>> well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely >>> picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, > Makha >>> and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions > some >>> corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will > make >>> little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived > on >>> platform no 3..... >>>> >>>> >>>> Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> >>> wrote: dear members >>>> >>>> just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my > ayanamsha >>> (1-1-1155, >>>> 50.2719) >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> >>>> Tarun Chopra >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Shri Prafullaji, With most humility I have to say that I have nowhere mentioned that I am proficient in KP Systems, neither have made any statement to indicate that. I was just talking of the KP ayanamsha being of help when certain members of this group were discussing about different ones, Probably I have been misunderstood unintentionally. But I do state with pride that I love all the systems (which are ultimately based on Parashari only,whether be Jaimini or KP, milk is the same butter has been churned out by a proficient student thats all, and the system is known as a new(named as new) or different one, otherwise the base is the same, You will agree) . But coming to the point, even I purchased few books on Kp few years back about the same time and could not understand the application or the content and just recently met a great master who is proficient in the same from whose book I have been able to understand the basics and on the way to becoming proficient (?)(not sure). Sir I will definitely show case what I have learnt if it helps the cause of astrology like rectification of birth time, checking particular question say abour marriage, etc, and let me also state at this juncture that I love all the elavated astrologers like Shri BV Raman foremost(My first Guru) ,Shri KN Rao, Shri Santhanam, Shri Chandubhai Patel(Navamsha expert) and other names whom I dont remember at the moment yet have my respect,(At the moment I am talking about the positive knowledge received from them) Sir I am among those who want to have the knowledge of all systems and when predicting use all tools from all methods to get down to a common result from all of them , so that when we give prediction to the client it will be most near the truth. When 2-3 m3thods show the same result then is it not very satisfying to the astrologer who wants to predict successfully ? You have so humbly mentioned your interest in spectrum of KP system. that I would be too pleased to share what I have to offer so that it would help all ofus who are in the common field of subject. My later mails would contain my experiences in this system, which I hope would be of help in determination.But as I repeat again, my first love is Shri BV Raman from whom I have learnt astrology and whose books I refer quite regularly, traditional system-which is the base even for KP, Ashtakvarga next , and finally Jaimini about which I dont have much knowledge but keep referring once in a while. I hope this clears me off many misunderstandings. Please wait for my further mails. Yours humbly, Bhaskar. @, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > I have been following your thread and discussions between you / Shri Kumar ji / Ranjan ji / Pandit Arjun ji. I hope, we are all settled for astrological discussions and look forward to understand effectiveness of Kp system in astrological interpretation. > > Since, you are proficient in Kp system (per yr statements), will also like to understand - how is it filtered system over standard parashari. I did try to understand few years (8/9) back from Krishnamoorty books the KP system, but really could not get down to sub-sub level role in event prediction. In my view, constellation based astrology is the base fabric of any astrology, but role of planet do change under various overriding factors. If you permit, I will like to post few charts for your guideline in fixing the possible timing of events using yr system. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > "A Burden is always on your head and a responsibility is always on your shoulders. So it is always easy to bear something on shoulders." > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:48:32 +0100 (BST) > > > > Re: Saturn in Leo 16/7 > > > > Dont think that the other members are idiots . Where have I mentioned > > that this > > system or Ayanamsha is the best ? Dont try to mix the words and show > > that this is the essence to the other members of this Forum. I have > > noticed that You have a nature of sarcasm.Kindly curb that. Any wise > > astrologer would never limit himself to one system or have bias towards > > any. On the contrary he will > > try to bring the common principles of all on a a single platform and > > the predict. > > You cannot have blessings of Shri Ram if You hate Lord Sankara. Both > > have to be loved. Anyway I doubt You will understand this. You are just > > trying to prove yourself very smart and rest as fools. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Mr. Maheswari, > > > > I applaud your success in arriving at which system and ayanamsha are > > the right one, based on your personal experience in your horoscope. > > Similar expression of firm conviction have been voiced on > > astrological forums by others, here and elsewhere for systems, > > paddhatis and ayanamshas. > > > > Two common themes in such pronouncements (essence maintained though > > words have been paraphrased) had been: > > > > "a) This is the only accurate method, all others are mistaken > > b) If you do not believe it, try it" > > > > Glad to hear that your personal quest is over, forever and thanks for > > taking the time and making the effort to share your joyful tidings > > with the rest of the forum. > > > > RR > > > > , Bhaskar Maheswari > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >> > >> Sir, > >> I have personally witnessed the results in my own horoscope and > > astounding facts have been revealed with total analytical logical > > deductions, thatswhy I suggested. Wouldnt You like to share your > > experiences of eating tasty delicasies in a resteurant with Your > > friends and associates ? in the same way I have mentioned. There are > > many websites to learn the basic rules and the faithful have not left > > any rules for You to learn by spending any money. You can learn from > > the website itself. Evidence which comes in eating the pudding will > > come only once learning the rules and applying to own horoscope and > > others . > >> Anyway I am not here to propogate any system. The milk is > > Parashari. A student(KrisnaMurthy) like us churned the milk and took > > out the butter. > >> He was an exalted student so developed a system. If we cant > > churn the milk then why not eat the butter . Sir we have to be open > > minded to all systems of progonistication and ultimately become more > > perfect. > >> Regards, > >> Bhaskar. > >> > >> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > >> Yes Mr. Maheswari, > >> > >> I have heard of similar and stronger claims made both for K.P. and > >> Lahiri/KP ayanamsha numerous times in the last thirty some years. > >> Astrology and Athrishta has always been full of same. > >> > >> I do not know what the real deal is, but if such accuracy exists, > >> then why do these other ayanamshas and systems continue to > > flourish? > >> I mean we are all the same human beings. Hardly anyone practices > >> alchemy any more and have turned to chemistry long ago. Astrology > >> predates science by centuries and the same cohort of human beings > >> have had a longer time to accept what works and what can be > > discarded > >> readily! > >> > >> Why has that not happened? Perhaps practitioners of KP have been > > too > >> shy to demonstrate and describe the basis of their strongly worded > >> conviction in more elaborate and descriptive format. > >> > >> Please note, I have nothing against KP or some radical value of > >> ayanamshas. Most people are very reasonable and if given evidence > >> rather than claims are intelligent enough to come to the right > >> conclusions! Like choosing between alchemy and chemistry! > >> > >> Best wishes > >> > >> RR > >> > >> , Bhaskar Maheswari > >> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Sir, > >>> That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I > >> was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP system > >> are very > >>> perfect in their results and god astrologers following that > >> system can really > >>> give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why not > >> try to use that > >>> Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha > >> has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great > >> science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it does > >> make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, > >> then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic > >> change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. > >>> Regards, > >>> Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > >>> Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our > >> Inner Spirit > >>> which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! > >>> > >>> <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> > >>> > >>> RR > >>> > >>> , Prashant Kumar G B > >>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> DEAR READERS > >>>> according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. > >>>> > >>>> well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely > >>> picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, > > Makha > >>> and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions > > some > >>> corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will > > make > >>> little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived > > on > >>> platform no 3..... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> > >>> wrote: dear members > >>>> > >>>> just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my > > ayanamsha > >>> (1-1-1155, > >>>> 50.2719) > >>>> > >>>> Best wishes > >>>> > >>>> Tarun Chopra > >>>> > >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Dear Bhaskar ji I am ok with bitter arguments, as long as astrology is benefited. So, Do not misread my mail and I have not misuderstood ..so no issues. But yes, I did not enjoy the personal attacks in the thread. In my view, (not as criticism or ridiculing anyone's contribution) - there are thousands of excellent astrologers in our country (in almost each town) - who are not exposed to media, publishing etc (for their language and resource barriers) and have not become famous. This breed of astrologers are far more competent (in terms of predictive accuracy) compared to many of scholars and book authors. Unfortunately, those astrologers could not find their space in media. But this does not reduce the contribution of many of book authors (including of Late shri Raman, Late shri Santhanam or shri KN Rao) - though none of them are superior, compared to many downtown local astrologers in predictive approach. Please do not misread these statements as criticism. Read them as different roles, they have in astro community. I look forward to learn with your experience. regards / Prafulla Gang "A Burden is always on your head and a responsibility is always on your shoulders. So it is always easy to bear something on shoulders." > > bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:14:36 -0000 > > Re: Saturn in Leo 16/7 > > Shri Prafullaji, > > With most humility I have to say that I have nowhere mentioned that I > am proficient in KP Systems, neither have made any statement to > indicate that. I was just talking of the KP ayanamsha being of help > when certain members of this group were discussing about different > ones, Probably I have been misunderstood unintentionally. > But I do state with pride that I love all the systems (which are > ultimately based on Parashari only,whether be Jaimini or KP, milk is > the same butter has been churned out by a proficient student thats > all, and the system is known as a new(named as new) or different one, > otherwise the base is the same, You will agree) . But coming to the > point, even > I purchased few books on Kp few years back about the same time and > could not understand the application or the content and just recently > met a great master who is proficient in the same from whose book I > have been able to understand the basics and on the way to becoming > proficient (?)(not sure). Sir I will definitely show case what I have > learnt if it helps the cause of astrology like rectification of birth > time, checking particular question say abour marriage, etc, and let > me also state at this juncture that I love all the elavated > astrologers like Shri BV Raman foremost(My first Guru) ,Shri KN Rao, > Shri Santhanam, Shri Chandubhai Patel(Navamsha expert) and other > names whom I dont remember at the moment yet have my respect,(At the > moment I am talking about the positive knowledge received from them) > Sir I am among those who want to have the knowledge of all systems > and when predicting use all tools from all methods to get down to a > common result from all of them , so that when we give prediction to > the client it will be most near the truth. When 2-3 m3thods show the > same result then is it not very satisfying to the astrologer who > wants to predict successfully ? > You have so humbly mentioned your interest in spectrum of KP system. > that I would be too pleased to share what I have to offer so that it > would help all ofus who are in the common field of subject. > My later mails would contain my experiences in this system, which > I hope would be of help in determination.But as I repeat again, my > first love is Shri BV Raman from whom I have learnt astrology > and whose books I refer quite regularly, traditional system-which is > the base even for KP, Ashtakvarga next , and finally Jaimini about > which I dont have much knowledge but keep referring once in a while. > I hope this clears me off many misunderstandings. > Please wait for my further mails. > Yours humbly, > Bhaskar. > > > > > @, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: >> >> Dear Bhaskar ji >> >> I have been following your thread and discussions between you / > Shri Kumar ji / Ranjan ji / Pandit Arjun ji. I hope, we are all > settled for astrological discussions and look forward to understand > effectiveness of Kp system in astrological interpretation. >> >> Since, you are proficient in Kp system (per yr statements), will > also like to understand - how is it filtered system over standard > parashari. I did try to understand few years (8/9) back from > Krishnamoorty books the KP system, but really could not get down to > sub-sub level role in event prediction. In my view, constellation > based astrology is the base fabric of any astrology, but role of > planet do change under various overriding factors. If you permit, I > will like to post few charts for your guideline in fixing the > possible timing of events using yr system. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> "A Burden is always on your head and a responsibility is always on > your shoulders. So it is always easy to bear something on shoulders." >> >> >>> >>> bhaskar_jyotish >>> Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:48:32 +0100 (BST) >>> >>> Re: Saturn in Leo 16/7 >>> >>> Dont think that the other members are idiots . Where have I > mentioned >>> that this >>> system or Ayanamsha is the best ? Dont try to mix the words and > show >>> that this is the essence to the other members of this Forum. I > have >>> noticed that You have a nature of sarcasm.Kindly curb that. Any > wise >>> astrologer would never limit himself to one system or have bias > towards >>> any. On the contrary he will >>> try to bring the common principles of all on a a single > platform and >>> the predict. >>> You cannot have blessings of Shri Ram if You hate Lord Sankara. > Both >>> have to be loved. Anyway I doubt You will understand this. You > are just >>> trying to prove yourself very smart and rest as fools. >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: >>> Mr. Maheswari, >>> >>> I applaud your success in arriving at which system and ayanamsha > are >>> the right one, based on your personal experience in your > horoscope. >>> Similar expression of firm conviction have been voiced on >>> astrological forums by others, here and elsewhere for systems, >>> paddhatis and ayanamshas. >>> >>> Two common themes in such pronouncements (essence maintained > though >>> words have been paraphrased) had been: >>> >>> "a) This is the only accurate method, all others are mistaken >>> b) If you do not believe it, try it" >>> >>> Glad to hear that your personal quest is over, forever and thanks > for >>> taking the time and making the effort to share your joyful tidings >>> with the rest of the forum. >>> >>> RR >>> >>> , Bhaskar Maheswari >>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sir, >>>> I have personally witnessed the results in my own horoscope and >>> astounding facts have been revealed with total analytical logical >>> deductions, thatswhy I suggested. Wouldnt You like to share your >>> experiences of eating tasty delicasies in a resteurant with Your >>> friends and associates ? in the same way I have mentioned. There > are >>> many websites to learn the basic rules and the faithful have not > left >>> any rules for You to learn by spending any money. You can learn > from >>> the website itself. Evidence which comes in eating the pudding > will >>> come only once learning the rules and applying to own horoscope > and >>> others . >>>> Anyway I am not here to propogate any system. The milk is >>> Parashari. A student(KrisnaMurthy) like us churned the milk and > took >>> out the butter. >>>> He was an exalted student so developed a system. If we cant >>> churn the milk then why not eat the butter . Sir we have to be > open >>> minded to all systems of progonistication and ultimately become > more >>> perfect. >>>> Regards, >>>> Bhaskar. >>>> >>>> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: >>>> Yes Mr. Maheswari, >>>> >>>> I have heard of similar and stronger claims made both for K.P. > and >>>> Lahiri/KP ayanamsha numerous times in the last thirty some years. >>>> Astrology and Athrishta has always been full of same. >>>> >>>> I do not know what the real deal is, but if such accuracy exists, >>>> then why do these other ayanamshas and systems continue to >>> flourish? >>>> I mean we are all the same human beings. Hardly anyone practices >>>> alchemy any more and have turned to chemistry long ago. Astrology >>>> predates science by centuries and the same cohort of human beings >>>> have had a longer time to accept what works and what can be >>> discarded >>>> readily! >>>> >>>> Why has that not happened? Perhaps practitioners of KP have been >>> too >>>> shy to demonstrate and describe the basis of their strongly > worded >>>> conviction in more elaborate and descriptive format. >>>> >>>> Please note, I have nothing against KP or some radical value of >>>> ayanamshas. Most people are very reasonable and if given evidence >>>> rather than claims are intelligent enough to come to the right >>>> conclusions! Like choosing between alchemy and chemistry! >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> >>>> RR >>>> >>>> , Bhaskar Maheswari >>>> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sir, >>>>> That comment of Yours really was humorous and made me smile as I >>>> was reading it. Anyway coming to the point practioners of KP > system >>>> are very >>>>> perfect in their results and god astrologers following that >>>> system can really >>>>> give the exact date of marriage too, in a few minutes. So why > not >>>> try to use that >>>>> Ayanamsha and verify the subject in question ? Ramans ayanamsha >>>> has already been proven wrong by many stalwarts of this great >>>> science, and Lahiris and Kps differ just by 6 minutes, but it > does >>>> make a difference when its on the cusp and the star Lord changes, >>>> then the whole results of the forecast will have a dramatic >>>> change.This is just a suggestion and not an advice. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: >>>>> Maybe we should all lie prostrate, pray to and ask our >>>> Inner Spirit >>>>> which planet is where, as was suggested recently!! >>>>> >>>>> <loved your railway analogy! Thanks!!> >>>>> >>>>> RR >>>>> >>>>> , Prashant Kumar G B >>>>> <gbp_kumar@> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> DEAR READERS >>>>>> according to ramans it is 13-10-06, Lahiri's 1-11-06. >>>>>> >>>>>> well lets see how it goes from here what we need is he likely >>>>> picture of satn in Simha a enemy sign and in 2 malefic stars, >>> Makha >>>>> and Uttara the field is open with many transits, conjunctions >>> some >>>>> corssing over it etc. so a bland line that it is shifted will >>> make >>>>> little sense, like saying Mumbai- Gorakpur passenger has arrived >>> on >>>>> platform no 3..... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun@> >>>>> wrote: dear members >>>>>> >>>>>> just to share that saturn is now in leo acording to my >>> ayanamsha >>>>> (1-1-1155, >>>>>> 50.2719) >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>> >>>>>> Tarun Chopra >>>>>> >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 dear Sri. Bhaskar, Sri. Pandit arjun and Sri. RR, I would request u people to stop this email war. Email may not be a good medium because whatever is written can be rightly interpreted or misinterpreted. I have been following the interactive emails of ayanamsha. These arguements or emails doesnt lead to positive effect. All of u are well versed in astrology and also vedas, let us all accept the basic root of philosophy that no one is bigger than god and we are all just miniature toys before him. I am sure all of u will take this email in the right spirit and continue to contribute by sharing ur valuable knowledge. with good wishes, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Dear Gopu ji There is no email war. I feel, at some stage- it will regain focus back on critical issues. and Even with bitter arguments, if astrology is benefited...it is worth it. Yes, participants must not chew their words and change their stands. regards / Prafulla Gang The first lesson a revolutionary must learn is that he is a doomed man. Unless he understands this, he does not grasp the essential meaning of his life. kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Re: Saturn in Leo 16/7 dear Sri. Bhaskar, Sri. Pandit arjun and Sri. RR, I would request u people to stop this email war. Email may not be a good medium because whatever is written can be rightly interpreted or misinterpreted. I have been following the interactive emails of ayanamsha. These arguements or emails doesnt lead to positive effect. All of u are well versed in astrology and also vedas, let us all accept the basic root of philosophy that no one is bigger than god and we are all just miniature toys before him. I am sure all of u will take this email in the right spirit and continue to contribute by sharing ur valuable knowledge. with good wishes, k.gopu [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 What war? , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > dear Sri. Bhaskar, Sri. Pandit arjun and Sri. RR, > I would request u people to stop this email war. Email > may not be a good medium because whatever is written > can be rightly interpreted or misinterpreted. I have > been following the interactive emails of ayanamsha. > These arguements or emails doesnt lead to positive > effect. All of u are well versed in astrology and also > vedas, let us all accept the basic root of philosophy > that no one is bigger than god and we are all just > miniature toys before him. I am sure all of u will > take this email in the right spirit and continue to > contribute by sharing ur valuable knowledge. > > with good wishes, > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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