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Dear forum friends,

 

Over the last few decades we laypersons have been obsessed

with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that revelation without the

math degree that usually is required of the devotees!) and now it is

commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all that is

spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 dollars a

barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another and goes up

each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I mean middle

east).

 

Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative state, a vacuum

into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill the void to

ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the pain of a dental

cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and ignoring to brush

afterwards?

 

On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and all those tools

for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos and solutions

for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a price! Kind of like

the professional divinational scene including karmic remedies and

?energy? put to GOoD' use!

 

I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another oversimplified

concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical realm and laws

and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO ABOVE" rather than

the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the reverse!).

 

Personal experiences often related in exalted states indicate some

sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being followed by

healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration into the realm

that can be experienced or experientiable? It is almost like a

transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and down-modulates

those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at a premium at

some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named above).

 

The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed around as the

indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). How entrenched

we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even when we prance

spiritual!

 

Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D reality and work

so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire cosmic reality

to fit into a "framework" that worked so far.

 

It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised upon the wooden

springy diving board, about to plunge into the success that the dive

into a body of water promises in the next few seconds!

 

The experience of that success, that healing is neither described by

the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, nor the contact

with water -- oh so perfect!

 

Healing, as well, I think!!

 

The planning and journey are essential but not the same as the

destination. That is what healing is!

 

RR

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, neelay <neelay2006

wrote:

>

> Dear Charles and Prasnn:

>

> This is not related to astrology. but I thought I should share.

Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime about an

energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from Canada and is known

to heal people through energy healing. What caught my attention was

that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing techique seemed

like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he describes it as

following in his website

>

> " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge the auras of

all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses holographic

views to energetically affect through intention those present. His

full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam's workshops are

participatory as through the use of visualizations he empowers

individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will share his

insights on this topic and share his own healing abilities with all

attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the right

direction and gives you some basic tools for improving and

maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more effective

control of our immune system and healing abilities through

intention"

>

> He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets people for the

group treatment. Here is his website: http://www.dreamhealer.com/

> An overview of the program they showed on ABC yesterday

> http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2179784&page=1

>

> Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well.

>

> Regards,

> Neelay

>

> prasannman <prasannman wrote:

> Charles I really appreciate your posting. I think this

detail would

> help the readers, astro community and patients understand MS better

> and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish you all the very

> best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge of MS. Let us

> keep discussing and extending this thread to find out better

> solutions and help each other. My mail ID is prasannman

>

> , "charles_corbit"

> <charles_corbit@> wrote:

> >

> > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to post a bit

more

> > detailed background on my history with MS. For reference, I am

> > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for feedback on how

> > events transpired relative to astrological indicators.

> >

> > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST)

> > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20

> >

> > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms appeared around

> > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to the gym to

work

> > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating on strength

> > building and really pushing myself. I started to get lightheaded

> > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in my head. I went

to

> > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was mentioned that it

> could

> > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I was told that

it

> > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a therapist. For

> the

> > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food diet and not

> keeping

> > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working out so

intently,

> > the symptoms were mitigated.

> >

> > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety of symptoms

that

> > came and went. However, most symptoms where lightheaded in nature

> > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". I was tested

for

> > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, sleep study and

> > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal resting heart

> rate

> > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart goes down to 35

> at

> > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years career wise and it

was

> > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a terrible diet and

> > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath with large

amounts

> > of coffee.

> >

> > Although, I never had vision problems that were detected, I often

> > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking through a

> tunnel,

> > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some of the data. It

> > is hard to describe. However, my vision test always came up

> negative

> > and I do not even wear glasses.

> >

> > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was getting worse

and

> I

> > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in the heat or

after

> > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I failed, so they

> > had me on medication to keep my heart rate elevated.

> >

> > All during this time, I would have sinus infection after sinus

> > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was taking OTC pain

> > medications on a daily basis along with allergy medication.

> >

> > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I cannot correlate

> to

> > any dasha sub periods, etc..

> >

> > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my toes. I thought

> it

> > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to get numbness and

> > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a whole in my

chest.;

> > almost like I could not feel the existence of my torso. The

doctors

> > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally through the MRIs,

they

> > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three lesions in my

brain.

> > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a phone number for

a

> > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif (interferon)

with

> a

> > video tape on how to give myself injections and sent me on my

way.

> > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, diet, etc…

> >

> > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a month or so. I

> > contemplated it for some time and realized I must not fight this,

> > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat this, but I

> > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I started an

ardent

> > search on MS related materials, both allopathic and non-

allopathic,

> > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very well, some

> > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. I read about

> yoga

> > and western research on low fat diets. I read about Ayurveda and

> > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my issues and

> > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened it along. As I

> > started to make changes, I decided the risk factors and the

> > potential damage to my liver from the interferon was not worth

it.

> I

> > fired my first neurologist and got another one who was much more

> > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree completely, but I

feel

> > like she considers me a partner in managing my health. I decided

to

> > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last annual MRI showed

> no

> > new activity and a lumber puncture came back negative!! I decided

> > that if my condition would worsen that I would consider starting

> > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself dietwise and

> > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping the progression.

> >

> > In summary, I made the following changes over a year period and

> have

> > seen real benefits during this time.

> >

> > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed by Dr. Swank,

> > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8

> >

> > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by a board

> certified

> > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies which indicate a

> > beneficial impact on neurological functions.

> > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8

> >

> > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis

> >

> > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do struggle with this.

> >

> > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and concentrate on whole

> > organic foods.

> >

> > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle

> >

> > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas

> >

> > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I do not get sick

> > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My allergies are much

less.

> > And although, I still get occasionally numbness and tingling, it

is

> > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a bit more and I do

> > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me that much. I do

> > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my karma, of my

> > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not MS.

> >

> > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I would be

living

> > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. I realize that

> > physically things could change very quickly as the nature of MS

is

> > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my diagnosis has been

> > broadened to include more than just this life; it has allowed me

to

> > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never would have

> > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts now will allow

> me

> > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body when the time

> > comes with strength, courage and wisdom.

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Charles

> >

> > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at least look into

the

> > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these methods can help

> > lessen the impact.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Best Wishes

> Neelay

>

>

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dear RR ji

 

unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word in itself

which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds of treatments

or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at a heavy

price for the invisible light energy.

 

all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in the various

energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned dificult yoga

sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini awakening or

switching on the sleeping powerhouse.

 

even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret air control

or concentration techniques are confined to few masters whereby a

fighter can control the air so much so that the particulr part of

the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air control or

concentration technique that strong solid bricks, stones and glasses

can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the strenght is not

the physical body but the invisible air and the mindpower. few

people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel and breathe

in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through their navel

(extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in the bowl and

even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated from the body

with full force, they fail.

 

similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is concentrated and

focused or channelised at a particular place so that the place is

filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is solved.

 

however, some psychics and healers have started cheating the

gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls, throwing or

playing a football (wish the million dollar paid footballers hire

some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of goals in a

single match!) type game with those invisible energy balls and shoot

those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles towards a

person in another continent either to hit him hard (knockout punch)

or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi matrix movie

type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by these healers

to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual reality.

 

in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three categories viz.

REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE.

 

real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings have and

this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is something which

makes an object looks like having life and the object in fact

behaves like a living object but in reality it is unreal. false is

something which is a fake and known to all. recently a person sold

a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating tissue as a

nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and is behind the

bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is believing).

you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the reflection of

sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a monster with

100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest liquors and

most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap parties, these are

false.

 

in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are followed in which a

kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. most charms and

spells look like real in reality but they are unreal, for they last

only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put some smoke in

a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after sometime. but as

long as these things are FELT, it looks real and lasting.

 

the above are based on my limited knowledge and others may have

different experiences based on their knowledge.

 

with best wishes

pandit arjun

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear forum friends,

>

> Over the last few decades we laypersons have been obsessed

> with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that revelation without

the

> math degree that usually is required of the devotees!) and now it

is

> commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all that is

> spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 dollars a

> barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another and goes up

> each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I mean middle

> east).

>

> Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative state, a vacuum

> into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill the void to

> ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the pain of a

dental

> cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and ignoring to

brush

> afterwards?

>

> On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and all those

tools

> for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos and solutions

> for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a price! Kind of

like

> the professional divinational scene including karmic remedies and

> ?energy? put to GOoD' use!

>

> I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another oversimplified

> concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical realm and

laws

> and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO ABOVE" rather

than

> the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the reverse!).

>

> Personal experiences often related in exalted states indicate some

> sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being followed by

> healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration into the

realm

> that can be experienced or experientiable? It is almost like a

> transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and down-

modulates

> those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at a premium at

> some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named above).

>

> The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed around as the

> indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). How

entrenched

> we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even when we

prance

> spiritual!

>

> Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D reality and

work

> so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire cosmic

reality

> to fit into a "framework" that worked so far.

>

> It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised upon the wooden

> springy diving board, about to plunge into the success that the

dive

> into a body of water promises in the next few seconds!

>

> The experience of that success, that healing is neither described

by

> the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, nor the

contact

> with water -- oh so perfect!

>

> Healing, as well, I think!!

>

> The planning and journey are essential but not the same as the

> destination. That is what healing is!

>

> RR

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , neelay <neelay2006@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Charles and Prasnn:

> >

> > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I should

share.

> Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime about an

> energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from Canada and is

known

> to heal people through energy healing. What caught my attention

was

> that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing techique seemed

> like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he describes it

as

> following in his website

> >

> > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge the auras

of

> all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses holographic

> views to energetically affect through intention those present. His

> full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam's workshops

are

> participatory as through the use of visualizations he empowers

> individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will share his

> insights on this topic and share his own healing abilities with

all

> attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the right

> direction and gives you some basic tools for improving and

> maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more effective

> control of our immune system and healing abilities through

> intention"

> >

> > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets people for the

> group treatment. Here is his website: http://www.dreamhealer.com/

> > An overview of the program they showed on ABC yesterday

> > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2179784&page=1

> >

> > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Neelay

> >

> > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote:

> > Charles I really appreciate your posting. I think this

> detail would

> > help the readers, astro community and patients understand MS

better

> > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish you all the

very

> > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge of MS. Let

us

> > keep discussing and extending this thread to find out better

> > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is prasannman@

> >

> > , "charles_corbit"

> > <charles_corbit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to post a bit

> more

> > > detailed background on my history with MS. For reference, I am

> > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for feedback on

how

> > > events transpired relative to astrological indicators.

> > >

> > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST)

> > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20

> > >

> > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms appeared

around

> > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to the gym to

> work

> > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating on strength

> > > building and really pushing myself. I started to get

lightheaded

> > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in my head. I

went

> to

> > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was mentioned that it

> > could

> > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I was told

that

> it

> > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a therapist.

For

> > the

> > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food diet and not

> > keeping

> > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working out so

> intently,

> > > the symptoms were mitigated.

> > >

> > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety of symptoms

> that

> > > came and went. However, most symptoms where lightheaded in

nature

> > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". I was

tested

> for

> > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, sleep study and

> > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal resting

heart

> > rate

> > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart goes down to

35

> > at

> > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years career wise and

it

> was

> > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a terrible diet

and

> > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath with large

> amounts

> > > of coffee.

> > >

> > > Although, I never had vision problems that were detected, I

often

> > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking through a

> > tunnel,

> > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some of the data.

It

> > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test always came up

> > negative

> > > and I do not even wear glasses.

> > >

> > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was getting worse

> and

> > I

> > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in the heat or

> after

> > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I failed, so

they

> > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate elevated.

> > >

> > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection after sinus

> > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was taking OTC pain

> > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy medication.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I cannot

correlate

> > to

> > > any dasha sub periods, etc..

> > >

> > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my toes. I

thought

> > it

> > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to get numbness

and

> > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a whole in my

> chest.;

> > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my torso. The

> doctors

> > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally through the MRIs,

> they

> > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three lesions in my

> brain.

> > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a phone number

for

> a

> > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif (interferon)

> with

> > a

> > > video tape on how to give myself injections and sent me on my

> way.

> > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, diet, etc…

> > >

> > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a month or

so. I

> > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must not fight

this,

> > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat this, but I

> > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I started an

> ardent

> > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic and non-

> allopathic,

> > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very well, some

> > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. I read

about

> > yoga

> > > and western research on low fat diets. I read about Ayurveda

and

> > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my issues and

> > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened it along.

As I

> > > started to make changes, I decided the risk factors and the

> > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon was not worth

> it.

> > I

> > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who was much

more

> > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree completely, but I

> feel

> > > like she considers me a partner in managing my health. I

decided

> to

> > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last annual MRI

showed

> > no

> > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back negative!! I

decided

> > > that if my condition would worsen that I would consider

starting

> > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself dietwise and

> > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping the

progression.

> > >

> > > In summary, I made the following changes over a year period

and

> > have

> > > seen real benefits during this time.

> > >

> > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed by Dr.

Swank,

> > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8

> > >

> > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by a board

> > certified

> > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies which indicate

a

> > > beneficial impact on neurological functions.

> > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8

> > >

> > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis

> > >

> > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do struggle with

this.

> > >

> > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and concentrate on whole

> > > organic foods.

> > >

> > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle

> > >

> > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas

> > >

> > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I do not get

sick

> > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My allergies are much

> less.

> > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness and tingling,

it

> is

> > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a bit more and I

do

> > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me that much. I

do

> > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my karma, of my

> > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not MS.

> > >

> > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I would be

> living

> > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. I realize

that

> > > physically things could change very quickly as the nature of

MS

> is

> > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my diagnosis has

been

> > > broadened to include more than just this life; it has allowed

me

> to

> > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never would have

> > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts now will

allow

> > me

> > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body when the

time

> > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom.

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Charles

> > >

> > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at least look into

> the

> > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these methods can

help

> > > lessen the impact.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Best Wishes

> > Neelay

> >

> >

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Dear Arjunbhai,

 

I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and astute member

on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed my having

been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy and long

messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously what I wrote and

tried to express -- given my physical and mental limitations??)

 

I respond to the early and the last part of your posting

specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your important

messages.

 

 

I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother! HEALING is an

experience, neither less nor more! If it is not experienced directly

and personally as a healer or one healed, it is meaningless to the

rest!

 

Anahata ...

 

Love,

 

RR

 

 

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear RR ji

>

> unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word in itself

> which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds of treatments

> or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at a heavy

> price for the invisible light energy.

>

> all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in the various

> energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned dificult yoga

> sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini awakening or

> switching on the sleeping powerhouse.

>

> even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret air control

> or concentration techniques are confined to few masters whereby a

> fighter can control the air so much so that the particulr part of

> the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air control or

> concentration technique that strong solid bricks, stones and

glasses

> can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the strenght is not

> the physical body but the invisible air and the mindpower. few

> people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel and breathe

> in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through their navel

> (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in the bowl and

> even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated from the

body

> with full force, they fail.

>

> similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is concentrated and

> focused or channelised at a particular place so that the place is

> filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is solved.

>

> however, some psychics and healers have started cheating the

> gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls, throwing or

> playing a football (wish the million dollar paid footballers hire

> some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of goals in a

> single match!) type game with those invisible energy balls and

shoot

> those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles towards a

> person in another continent either to hit him hard (knockout punch)

> or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi matrix movie

> type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by these

healers

> to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual reality.

>

> in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three categories viz.

> REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE.

>

> real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings have and

> this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is something which

> makes an object looks like having life and the object in fact

> behaves like a living object but in reality it is unreal. false is

> something which is a fake and known to all. recently a person sold

> a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating tissue as a

> nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and is behind the

> bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is believing).

> you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the reflection of

> sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a monster with

> 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest liquors and

> most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap parties, these are

> false.

>

> in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are followed in which a

> kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. most charms and

> spells look like real in reality but they are unreal, for they last

> only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put some smoke in

> a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after sometime. but as

> long as these things are FELT, it looks real and lasting.

>

> the above are based on my limited knowledge and others may have

> different experiences based on their knowledge.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear forum friends,

> >

> > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been obsessed

> > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that revelation without

> the

> > math degree that usually is required of the devotees!) and now it

> is

> > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all that is

> > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 dollars a

> > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another and goes

up

> > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I mean middle

> > east).

> >

> > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative state, a vacuum

> > into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill the void

to

> > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the pain of a

> dental

> > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and ignoring to

> brush

> > afterwards?

> >

> > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and all those

> tools

> > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos and

solutions

> > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a price! Kind of

> like

> > the professional divinational scene including karmic remedies and

> > ?energy? put to GOoD' use!

> >

> > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another oversimplified

> > concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical realm and

> laws

> > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO ABOVE" rather

> than

> > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the reverse!).

> >

> > Personal experiences often related in exalted states indicate

some

> > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being followed by

> > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration into the

> realm

> > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is almost like a

> > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and down-

> modulates

> > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at a premium

at

> > some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named above).

> >

> > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed around as the

> > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). How

> entrenched

> > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even when we

> prance

> > spiritual!

> >

> > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D reality and

> work

> > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire cosmic

> reality

> > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far.

> >

> > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised upon the

wooden

> > springy diving board, about to plunge into the success that the

> dive

> > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds!

> >

> > The experience of that success, that healing is neither described

> by

> > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, nor the

> contact

> > with water -- oh so perfect!

> >

> > Healing, as well, I think!!

> >

> > The planning and journey are essential but not the same as the

> > destination. That is what healing is!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , neelay <neelay2006@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Charles and Prasnn:

> > >

> > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I should

> share.

> > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime about an

> > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from Canada and is

> known

> > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my attention

> was

> > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing techique seemed

> > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he describes it

> as

> > following in his website

> > >

> > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge the auras

> of

> > all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses

holographic

> > views to energetically affect through intention those present.

His

> > full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam's workshops

> are

> > participatory as through the use of visualizations he empowers

> > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will share his

> > insights on this topic and share his own healing abilities with

> all

> > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the right

> > direction and gives you some basic tools for improving and

> > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more effective

> > control of our immune system and healing abilities through

> > intention"

> > >

> > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets people for the

> > group treatment. Here is his website: http://www.dreamhealer.com/

> > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC yesterday

> > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2179784&page=1

> > >

> > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Neelay

> > >

> > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote:

> > > Charles I really appreciate your posting. I think

this

> > detail would

> > > help the readers, astro community and patients understand MS

> better

> > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish you all the

> very

> > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge of MS. Let

> us

> > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find out better

> > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is prasannman@

> > >

> > > , "charles_corbit"

> > > <charles_corbit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to post a bit

> > more

> > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For reference, I

am

> > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for feedback on

> how

> > > > events transpired relative to astrological indicators.

> > > >

> > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST)

> > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20

> > > >

> > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms appeared

> around

> > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to the gym to

> > work

> > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating on strength

> > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to get

> lightheaded

> > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in my head. I

> went

> > to

> > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was mentioned that

it

> > > could

> > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I was told

> that

> > it

> > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a therapist.

> For

> > > the

> > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food diet and not

> > > keeping

> > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working out so

> > intently,

> > > > the symptoms were mitigated.

> > > >

> > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety of symptoms

> > that

> > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where lightheaded in

> nature

> > > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". I was

> tested

> > for

> > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, sleep study

and

> > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal resting

> heart

> > > rate

> > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart goes down

to

> 35

> > > at

> > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years career wise and

> it

> > was

> > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a terrible diet

> and

> > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath with large

> > amounts

> > > > of coffee.

> > > >

> > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were detected, I

> often

> > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking through a

> > > tunnel,

> > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some of the

data.

> It

> > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test always came up

> > > negative

> > > > and I do not even wear glasses.

> > > >

> > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was getting

worse

> > and

> > > I

> > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in the heat or

> > after

> > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I failed, so

> they

> > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate elevated.

> > > >

> > > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection after

sinus

> > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was taking OTC pain

> > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy medication.

> > > >

> > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I cannot

> correlate

> > > to

> > > > any dasha sub periods, etc..

> > > >

> > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my toes. I

> thought

> > > it

> > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to get numbness

> and

> > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a whole in my

> > chest.;

> > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my torso. The

> > doctors

> > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally through the MRIs,

> > they

> > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three lesions in my

> > brain.

> > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a phone number

> for

> > a

> > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif (interferon)

> > with

> > > a

> > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and sent me on my

> > way.

> > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, diet, etc…

> > > >

> > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a month or

> so. I

> > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must not fight

> this,

> > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat this, but

I

> > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I started an

> > ardent

> > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic and non-

> > allopathic,

> > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very well, some

> > > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. I read

> about

> > > yoga

> > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read about Ayurveda

> and

> > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my issues and

> > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened it along.

> As I

> > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk factors and the

> > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon was not

worth

> > it.

> > > I

> > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who was much

> more

> > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree completely, but I

> > feel

> > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my health. I

> decided

> > to

> > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last annual MRI

> showed

> > > no

> > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back negative!! I

> decided

> > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would consider

> starting

> > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself dietwise and

> > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping the

> progression.

> > > >

> > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a year period

> and

> > > have

> > > > seen real benefits during this time.

> > > >

> > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed by Dr.

> Swank,

> > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8

> > > >

> > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by a board

> > > certified

> > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies which indicate

> a

> > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions.

> > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8

> > > >

> > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis

> > > >

> > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do struggle with

> this.

> > > >

> > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and concentrate on whole

> > > > organic foods.

> > > >

> > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle

> > > >

> > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas

> > > >

> > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I do not get

> sick

> > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My allergies are much

> > less.

> > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness and tingling,

> it

> > is

> > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a bit more and

I

> do

> > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me that much.

I

> do

> > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my karma, of

my

> > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not MS.

> > > >

> > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I would be

> > living

> > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. I realize

> that

> > > > physically things could change very quickly as the nature of

> MS

> > is

> > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my diagnosis has

> been

> > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it has allowed

> me

> > to

> > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never would have

> > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts now will

> allow

> > > me

> > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body when the

> time

> > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom.

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Charles

> > > >

> > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at least look

into

> > the

> > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these methods can

> help

> > > > lessen the impact.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > > Neelay

> > >

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RRji,

I suppose it is the eternal human quest to give a structure to all

events and things around them. Logically and sequentially increase

the knowledge and build up systems. Over milleniums some success has

been achieved and that is why you sit miles away and yet we can

communicate.

So far, perhaps, the healing process still remains a bit of a

mystery.

I agree totally that the healing reality is between the healer and

the one being healed.

regards

rishi

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear Arjunbhai,

>

> I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and astute

member

> on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed my having

> been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy and long

> messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously what I wrote

and

> tried to express -- given my physical and mental limitations??)

>

> I respond to the early and the last part of your posting

> specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your important

> messages.

>

>

> I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother! HEALING is

an

> experience, neither less nor more! If it is not experienced

directly

> and personally as a healer or one healed, it is meaningless to the

> rest!

>

> Anahata ...

>

> Love,

>

> RR

>

>

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear RR ji

> >

> > unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word in itself

> > which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds of

treatments

> > or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at a heavy

> > price for the invisible light energy.

> >

> > all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in the

various

> > energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned dificult yoga

> > sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini awakening or

> > switching on the sleeping powerhouse.

> >

> > even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret air

control

> > or concentration techniques are confined to few masters whereby

a

> > fighter can control the air so much so that the particulr part

of

> > the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air control

or

> > concentration technique that strong solid bricks, stones and

> glasses

> > can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the strenght is

not

> > the physical body but the invisible air and the mindpower. few

> > people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel and

breathe

> > in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through their

navel

> > (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in the bowl

and

> > even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated from the

> body

> > with full force, they fail.

> >

> > similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is concentrated

and

> > focused or channelised at a particular place so that the place

is

> > filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is solved.

> >

> > however, some psychics and healers have started cheating the

> > gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls, throwing or

> > playing a football (wish the million dollar paid footballers

hire

> > some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of goals in a

> > single match!) type game with those invisible energy balls and

> shoot

> > those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles towards a

> > person in another continent either to hit him hard (knockout

punch)

> > or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi matrix

movie

> > type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by these

> healers

> > to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual reality.

> >

> > in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three categories viz.

> > REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE.

> >

> > real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings have and

> > this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is something which

> > makes an object looks like having life and the object in fact

> > behaves like a living object but in reality it is unreal. false

is

> > something which is a fake and known to all. recently a person

sold

> > a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating tissue

as a

> > nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and is behind

the

> > bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is

believing).

> > you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the reflection

of

> > sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a monster

with

> > 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest liquors and

> > most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap parties, these

are

> > false.

> >

> > in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are followed in

which a

> > kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. most charms

and

> > spells look like real in reality but they are unreal, for they

last

> > only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put some smoke

in

> > a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after sometime. but

as

> > long as these things are FELT, it looks real and lasting.

> >

> > the above are based on my limited knowledge and others may have

> > different experiences based on their knowledge.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > pandit arjun

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear forum friends,

> > >

> > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been obsessed

> > > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that revelation

without

> > the

> > > math degree that usually is required of the devotees!) and now

it

> > is

> > > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all that is

> > > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 dollars a

> > > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another and

goes

> up

> > > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I mean

middle

> > > east).

> > >

> > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative state, a

vacuum

> > > into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill the

void

> to

> > > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the pain of a

> > dental

> > > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and ignoring

to

> > brush

> > > afterwards?

> > >

> > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and all those

> > tools

> > > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos and

> solutions

> > > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a price! Kind

of

> > like

> > > the professional divinational scene including karmic remedies

and

> > > ?energy? put to GOoD' use!

> > >

> > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another

oversimplified

> > > concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical realm

and

> > laws

> > > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO ABOVE" rather

> > than

> > > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the reverse!).

> > >

> > > Personal experiences often related in exalted states indicate

> some

> > > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being followed

by

> > > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration into the

> > realm

> > > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is almost like a

> > > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and down-

> > modulates

> > > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at a

premium

> at

> > > some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named above).

> > >

> > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed around as

the

> > > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). How

> > entrenched

> > > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even when we

> > prance

> > > spiritual!

> > >

> > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D reality and

> > work

> > > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire cosmic

> > reality

> > > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far.

> > >

> > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised upon the

> wooden

> > > springy diving board, about to plunge into the success that

the

> > dive

> > > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds!

> > >

> > > The experience of that success, that healing is neither

described

> > by

> > > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, nor the

> > contact

> > > with water -- oh so perfect!

> > >

> > > Healing, as well, I think!!

> > >

> > > The planning and journey are essential but not the same as the

> > > destination. That is what healing is!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , neelay <neelay2006@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn:

> > > >

> > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I should

> > share.

> > > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime about

an

> > > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from Canada and

is

> > known

> > > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my

attention

> > was

> > > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing techique

seemed

> > > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he describes

it

> > as

> > > following in his website

> > > >

> > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge the

auras

> > of

> > > all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses

> holographic

> > > views to energetically affect through intention those present.

> His

> > > full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam's

workshops

> > are

> > > participatory as through the use of visualizations he empowers

> > > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will share

his

> > > insights on this topic and share his own healing abilities

with

> > all

> > > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the right

> > > direction and gives you some basic tools for improving and

> > > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more

effective

> > > control of our immune system and healing abilities through

> > > intention"

> > > >

> > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets people for

the

> > > group treatment. Here is his website:

http://www.dreamhealer.com/

> > > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC yesterday

> > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2179784&page=1

> > > >

> > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Neelay

> > > >

> > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote:

> > > > Charles I really appreciate your posting. I think

> this

> > > detail would

> > > > help the readers, astro community and patients understand MS

> > better

> > > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish you all

the

> > very

> > > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge of MS.

Let

> > us

> > > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find out better

> > > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is prasannman@

> > > >

> > > > , "charles_corbit"

> > > > <charles_corbit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to post a

bit

> > > more

> > > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For reference,

I

> am

> > > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for feedback

on

> > how

> > > > > events transpired relative to astrological indicators.

> > > > >

> > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST)

> > > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20

> > > > >

> > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms appeared

> > around

> > > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to the gym

to

> > > work

> > > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating on

strength

> > > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to get

> > lightheaded

> > > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in my head.

I

> > went

> > > to

> > > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was mentioned

that

> it

> > > > could

> > > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I was told

> > that

> > > it

> > > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a

therapist.

> > For

> > > > the

> > > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food diet and

not

> > > > keeping

> > > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working out so

> > > intently,

> > > > > the symptoms were mitigated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety of

symptoms

> > > that

> > > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where lightheaded in

> > nature

> > > > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". I was

> > tested

> > > for

> > > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, sleep study

> and

> > > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal resting

> > heart

> > > > rate

> > > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart goes

down

> to

> > 35

> > > > at

> > > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years career wise

and

> > it

> > > was

> > > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a terrible

diet

> > and

> > > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath with

large

> > > amounts

> > > > > of coffee.

> > > > >

> > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were detected,

I

> > often

> > > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking through

a

> > > > tunnel,

> > > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some of the

> data.

> > It

> > > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test always came

up

> > > > negative

> > > > > and I do not even wear glasses.

> > > > >

> > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was getting

> worse

> > > and

> > > > I

> > > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in the heat

or

> > > after

> > > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I failed,

so

> > they

> > > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate elevated.

> > > > >

> > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection after

> sinus

> > > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was taking OTC

pain

> > > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy medication.

> > > > >

> > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I cannot

> > correlate

> > > > to

> > > > > any dasha sub periods, etc..

> > > > >

> > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my toes. I

> > thought

> > > > it

> > > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to get

numbness

> > and

> > > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a whole in

my

> > > chest.;

> > > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my torso.

The

> > > doctors

> > > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally through the

MRIs,

> > > they

> > > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three lesions in

my

> > > brain.

> > > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a phone

number

> > for

> > > a

> > > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif

(interferon)

> > > with

> > > > a

> > > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and sent me on

my

> > > way.

> > > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, diet, etc…

> > > > >

> > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a month

or

> > so. I

> > > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must not

fight

> > this,

> > > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat this,

but

> I

> > > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I started

an

> > > ardent

> > > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic and non-

> > > allopathic,

> > > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very well,

some

> > > > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. I read

> > about

> > > > yoga

> > > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read about

Ayurveda

> > and

> > > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my issues

and

> > > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened it

along.

> > As I

> > > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk factors and

the

> > > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon was not

> worth

> > > it.

> > > > I

> > > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who was

much

> > more

> > > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree completely,

but I

> > > feel

> > > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my health. I

> > decided

> > > to

> > > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last annual MRI

> > showed

> > > > no

> > > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back negative!! I

> > decided

> > > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would consider

> > starting

> > > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself dietwise

and

> > > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping the

> > progression.

> > > > >

> > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a year

period

> > and

> > > > have

> > > > > seen real benefits during this time.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed by Dr.

> > Swank,

> > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by a board

> > > > certified

> > > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies which

indicate

> > a

> > > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions.

> > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do struggle

with

> > this.

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and concentrate on

whole

> > > > > organic foods.

> > > > >

> > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle

> > > > >

> > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas

> > > > >

> > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I do not

get

> > sick

> > > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My allergies are

much

> > > less.

> > > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness and

tingling,

> > it

> > > is

> > > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a bit more

and

> I

> > do

> > > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me that

much.

> I

> > do

> > > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my karma,

of

> my

> > > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not MS.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I would

be

> > > living

> > > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. I

realize

> > that

> > > > > physically things could change very quickly as the nature

of

> > MS

> > > is

> > > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my diagnosis

has

> > been

> > > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it has

allowed

> > me

> > > to

> > > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never would have

> > > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts now

will

> > allow

> > > > me

> > > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body when

the

> > time

> > > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom.

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > Charles

> > > > >

> > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at least look

> into

> > > the

> > > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these methods can

> > help

> > > > > lessen the impact.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > > Neelay

> > > >

> > > >

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Rishi ji ---

 

Not just a human quest, Sir to give structure or impose structure ...

 

Females rats in the wild and in laboratories when they give birth are

known to 'nest'. They create a soft and warm environment for their

forthcoming babies. Cats are known to do same or similar ...

 

Almost all birds do the same and that is better known!

 

Most humans too -- even in the superficial but *sweet* anyway -- TV

commercials showing a very pregnant woman not quite sure about their

familial **preparedness** and her husband who stayed up all night to

get the baby room all painted and done, primarily to please his

expectant wife and also hopefully -- his forthcoming child!

 

....

 

 

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> RRji,

> I suppose it is the eternal human quest to give a structure to all

> events and things around them. Logically and sequentially increase

> the knowledge and build up systems. Over milleniums some success

has

> been achieved and that is why you sit miles away and yet we can

> communicate.

> So far, perhaps, the healing process still remains a bit of a

> mystery.

> I agree totally that the healing reality is between the healer and

> the one being healed.

> regards

> rishi

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Arjunbhai,

> >

> > I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and astute

> member

> > on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed my having

> > been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy and long

> > messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously what I wrote

> and

> > tried to express -- given my physical and mental limitations??)

> >

> > I respond to the early and the last part of your posting

> > specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your important

> > messages.

> >

> >

> > I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother! HEALING

is

> an

> > experience, neither less nor more! If it is not experienced

> directly

> > and personally as a healer or one healed, it is meaningless to

the

> > rest!

> >

> > Anahata ...

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear RR ji

> > >

> > > unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word in

itself

> > > which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds of

> treatments

> > > or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at a heavy

> > > price for the invisible light energy.

> > >

> > > all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in the

> various

> > > energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned dificult yoga

> > > sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini awakening or

> > > switching on the sleeping powerhouse.

> > >

> > > even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret air

> control

> > > or concentration techniques are confined to few masters whereby

> a

> > > fighter can control the air so much so that the particulr part

> of

> > > the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air control

> or

> > > concentration technique that strong solid bricks, stones and

> > glasses

> > > can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the strenght is

> not

> > > the physical body but the invisible air and the mindpower. few

> > > people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel and

> breathe

> > > in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through their

> navel

> > > (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in the bowl

> and

> > > even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated from the

> > body

> > > with full force, they fail.

> > >

> > > similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is concentrated

> and

> > > focused or channelised at a particular place so that the place

> is

> > > filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is solved.

> > >

> > > however, some psychics and healers have started cheating the

> > > gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls, throwing or

> > > playing a football (wish the million dollar paid footballers

> hire

> > > some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of goals in a

> > > single match!) type game with those invisible energy balls and

> > shoot

> > > those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles towards a

> > > person in another continent either to hit him hard (knockout

> punch)

> > > or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi matrix

> movie

> > > type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by these

> > healers

> > > to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual reality.

> > >

> > > in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three categories viz.

> > > REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE.

> > >

> > > real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings have

and

> > > this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is something which

> > > makes an object looks like having life and the object in fact

> > > behaves like a living object but in reality it is unreal.

false

> is

> > > something which is a fake and known to all. recently a person

> sold

> > > a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating tissue

> as a

> > > nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and is behind

> the

> > > bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is

> believing).

> > > you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the reflection

> of

> > > sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a monster

> with

> > > 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest liquors

and

> > > most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap parties, these

> are

> > > false.

> > >

> > > in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are followed in

> which a

> > > kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. most charms

> and

> > > spells look like real in reality but they are unreal, for they

> last

> > > only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put some

smoke

> in

> > > a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after sometime. but

> as

> > > long as these things are FELT, it looks real and lasting.

> > >

> > > the above are based on my limited knowledge and others may have

> > > different experiences based on their knowledge.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > pandit arjun

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear forum friends,

> > > >

> > > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been obsessed

> > > > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that revelation

> without

> > > the

> > > > math degree that usually is required of the devotees!) and

now

> it

> > > is

> > > > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all that is

> > > > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 dollars a

> > > > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another and

> goes

> > up

> > > > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I mean

> middle

> > > > east).

> > > >

> > > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative state, a

> vacuum

> > > > into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill the

> void

> > to

> > > > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the pain of a

> > > dental

> > > > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and ignoring

> to

> > > brush

> > > > afterwards?

> > > >

> > > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and all those

> > > tools

> > > > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos and

> > solutions

> > > > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a price! Kind

> of

> > > like

> > > > the professional divinational scene including karmic remedies

> and

> > > > ?energy? put to GOoD' use!

> > > >

> > > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another

> oversimplified

> > > > concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical realm

> and

> > > laws

> > > > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO ABOVE"

rather

> > > than

> > > > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the

reverse!).

> > > >

> > > > Personal experiences often related in exalted states indicate

> > some

> > > > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being followed

> by

> > > > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration into

the

> > > realm

> > > > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is almost like

a

> > > > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and down-

> > > modulates

> > > > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at a

> premium

> > at

> > > > some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named above).

> > > >

> > > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed around as

> the

> > > > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). How

> > > entrenched

> > > > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even when

we

> > > prance

> > > > spiritual!

> > > >

> > > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D reality

and

> > > work

> > > > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire cosmic

> > > reality

> > > > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far.

> > > >

> > > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised upon the

> > wooden

> > > > springy diving board, about to plunge into the success that

> the

> > > dive

> > > > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds!

> > > >

> > > > The experience of that success, that healing is neither

> described

> > > by

> > > > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, nor the

> > > contact

> > > > with water -- oh so perfect!

> > > >

> > > > Healing, as well, I think!!

> > > >

> > > > The planning and journey are essential but not the same as

the

> > > > destination. That is what healing is!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , neelay <neelay2006@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn:

> > > > >

> > > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I should

> > > share.

> > > > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime about

> an

> > > > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from Canada and

> is

> > > known

> > > > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my

> attention

> > > was

> > > > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing techique

> seemed

> > > > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he describes

> it

> > > as

> > > > following in his website

> > > > >

> > > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge the

> auras

> > > of

> > > > all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses

> > holographic

> > > > views to energetically affect through intention those

present.

> > His

> > > > full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam's

> workshops

> > > are

> > > > participatory as through the use of visualizations he

empowers

> > > > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will share

> his

> > > > insights on this topic and share his own healing abilities

> with

> > > all

> > > > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the

right

> > > > direction and gives you some basic tools for improving and

> > > > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more

> effective

> > > > control of our immune system and healing abilities through

> > > > intention"

> > > > >

> > > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets people for

> the

> > > > group treatment. Here is his website:

> http://www.dreamhealer.com/

> > > > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC yesterday

> > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2179784&page=1

> > > > >

> > > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Neelay

> > > > >

> > > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote:

> > > > > Charles I really appreciate your posting. I think

> > this

> > > > detail would

> > > > > help the readers, astro community and patients understand

MS

> > > better

> > > > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish you all

> the

> > > very

> > > > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge of MS.

> Let

> > > us

> > > > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find out

better

> > > > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is prasannman@

> > > > >

> > > > > , "charles_corbit"

> > > > > <charles_corbit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to post a

> bit

> > > > more

> > > > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For reference,

> I

> > am

> > > > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for feedback

> on

> > > how

> > > > > > events transpired relative to astrological indicators.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST)

> > > > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms

appeared

> > > around

> > > > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to the

gym

> to

> > > > work

> > > > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating on

> strength

> > > > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to get

> > > lightheaded

> > > > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in my head.

> I

> > > went

> > > > to

> > > > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was mentioned

> that

> > it

> > > > > could

> > > > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I was

told

> > > that

> > > > it

> > > > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a

> therapist.

> > > For

> > > > > the

> > > > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food diet and

> not

> > > > > keeping

> > > > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working out so

> > > > intently,

> > > > > > the symptoms were mitigated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety of

> symptoms

> > > > that

> > > > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where lightheaded

in

> > > nature

> > > > > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". I was

> > > tested

> > > > for

> > > > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, sleep

study

> > and

> > > > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal resting

> > > heart

> > > > > rate

> > > > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart goes

> down

> > to

> > > 35

> > > > > at

> > > > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years career wise

> and

> > > it

> > > > was

> > > > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a terrible

> diet

> > > and

> > > > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath with

> large

> > > > amounts

> > > > > > of coffee.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were detected,

> I

> > > often

> > > > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking

through

> a

> > > > > tunnel,

> > > > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some of the

> > data.

> > > It

> > > > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test always came

> up

> > > > > negative

> > > > > > and I do not even wear glasses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was getting

> > worse

> > > > and

> > > > > I

> > > > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in the heat

> or

> > > > after

> > > > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I failed,

> so

> > > they

> > > > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate elevated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection after

> > sinus

> > > > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was taking OTC

> pain

> > > > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy

medication.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I cannot

> > > correlate

> > > > > to

> > > > > > any dasha sub periods, etc..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my toes. I

> > > thought

> > > > > it

> > > > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to get

> numbness

> > > and

> > > > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a whole in

> my

> > > > chest.;

> > > > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my torso.

> The

> > > > doctors

> > > > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally through the

> MRIs,

> > > > they

> > > > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three lesions in

> my

> > > > brain.

> > > > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a phone

> number

> > > for

> > > > a

> > > > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif

> (interferon)

> > > > with

> > > > > a

> > > > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and sent me

on

> my

> > > > way.

> > > > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, diet, etc…

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a month

> or

> > > so. I

> > > > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must not

> fight

> > > this,

> > > > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat this,

> but

> > I

> > > > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I started

> an

> > > > ardent

> > > > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic and non-

> > > > allopathic,

> > > > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very well,

> some

> > > > > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. I read

> > > about

> > > > > yoga

> > > > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read about

> Ayurveda

> > > and

> > > > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my issues

> and

> > > > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened it

> along.

> > > As I

> > > > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk factors and

> the

> > > > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon was not

> > worth

> > > > it.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who was

> much

> > > more

> > > > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree completely,

> but I

> > > > feel

> > > > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my health. I

> > > decided

> > > > to

> > > > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last annual

MRI

> > > showed

> > > > > no

> > > > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back negative!! I

> > > decided

> > > > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would consider

> > > starting

> > > > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself dietwise

> and

> > > > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping the

> > > progression.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a year

> period

> > > and

> > > > > have

> > > > > > seen real benefits during this time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed by Dr.

> > > Swank,

> > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by a

board

> > > > > certified

> > > > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies which

> indicate

> > > a

> > > > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions.

> > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do struggle

> with

> > > this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and concentrate on

> whole

> > > > > > organic foods.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I do not

> get

> > > sick

> > > > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My allergies are

> much

> > > > less.

> > > > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness and

> tingling,

> > > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a bit more

> and

> > I

> > > do

> > > > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me that

> much.

> > I

> > > do

> > > > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my karma,

> of

> > my

> > > > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not MS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I would

> be

> > > > living

> > > > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. I

> realize

> > > that

> > > > > > physically things could change very quickly as the nature

> of

> > > MS

> > > > is

> > > > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my diagnosis

> has

> > > been

> > > > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it has

> allowed

> > > me

> > > > to

> > > > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never would have

> > > > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts now

> will

> > > allow

> > > > > me

> > > > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body when

> the

> > > time

> > > > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Charles

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at least look

> > into

> > > > the

> > > > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these methods

can

> > > help

> > > > > > lessen the impact.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > Neelay

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the

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> > > (and

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, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Rishi ji ---

>

> Not just a human quest, Sir to give structure or impose

structure ...

>

> Females rats in the wild and in laboratories when they give birth

are

> known to 'nest'. They create a soft and warm environment for their

> forthcoming babies. Cats are known to do same or similar ...

>

> Almost all birds do the same and that is better known!

>

> Most humans too -- even in the superficial but *sweet* anyway --

TV

> commercials showing a very pregnant woman not quite sure about

their

> familial **preparedness** and her husband who stayed up all night

to

> get the baby room all painted and done, primarily to please his

> expectant wife and also hopefully -- his forthcoming child!

>

> ...

>

>

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > RRji,

> > I suppose it is the eternal human quest to give a structure to

all

> > events and things around them. Logically and sequentially

increase

> > the knowledge and build up systems. Over milleniums some success

> has

> > been achieved and that is why you sit miles away and yet we can

> > communicate.

> > So far, perhaps, the healing process still remains a bit of a

> > mystery.

> > I agree totally that the healing reality is between the healer

and

> > the one being healed.

> > regards

> > rishi

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Arjunbhai,

> > >

> > > I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and astute

> > member

> > > on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed my

having

> > > been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy and

long

> > > messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously what I

wrote

> > and

> > > tried to express -- given my physical and mental

limitations??)

> > >

> > > I respond to the early and the last part of your posting

> > > specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your important

> > > messages.

> > >

> > >

> > > I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother!

HEALING

> is

> > an

> > > experience, neither less nor more! If it is not experienced

> > directly

> > > and personally as a healer or one healed, it is meaningless to

> the

> > > rest!

> > >

> > > Anahata ...

> > >

> > > Love,

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear RR ji

> > > >

> > > > unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word in

> itself

> > > > which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds of

> > treatments

> > > > or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at a

heavy

> > > > price for the invisible light energy.

> > > >

> > > > all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in the

> > various

> > > > energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned dificult

yoga

> > > > sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini awakening

or

> > > > switching on the sleeping powerhouse.

> > > >

> > > > even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret air

> > control

> > > > or concentration techniques are confined to few masters

whereby

> > a

> > > > fighter can control the air so much so that the particulr

part

> > of

> > > > the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air

control

> > or

> > > > concentration technique that strong solid bricks, stones and

> > > glasses

> > > > can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the strenght

is

> > not

> > > > the physical body but the invisible air and the mindpower.

few

> > > > people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel and

> > breathe

> > > > in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through their

> > navel

> > > > (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in the

bowl

> > and

> > > > even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated from

the

> > > body

> > > > with full force, they fail.

> > > >

> > > > similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is

concentrated

> > and

> > > > focused or channelised at a particular place so that the

place

> > is

> > > > filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is

solved.

> > > >

> > > > however, some psychics and healers have started cheating the

> > > > gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls, throwing

or

> > > > playing a football (wish the million dollar paid footballers

> > hire

> > > > some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of goals in

a

> > > > single match!) type game with those invisible energy balls

and

> > > shoot

> > > > those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles towards

a

> > > > person in another continent either to hit him hard (knockout

> > punch)

> > > > or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi matrix

> > movie

> > > > type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by these

> > > healers

> > > > to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual

reality.

> > > >

> > > > in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three categories

viz.

> > > > REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE.

> > > >

> > > > real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings have

> and

> > > > this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is something

which

> > > > makes an object looks like having life and the object in

fact

> > > > behaves like a living object but in reality it is unreal.

> false

> > is

> > > > something which is a fake and known to all. recently a

person

> > sold

> > > > a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating

tissue

> > as a

> > > > nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and is

behind

> > the

> > > > bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is

> > believing).

> > > > you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the

reflection

> > of

> > > > sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a

monster

> > with

> > > > 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest liquors

> and

> > > > most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap parties,

these

> > are

> > > > false.

> > > >

> > > > in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are followed in

> > which a

> > > > kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. most

charms

> > and

> > > > spells look like real in reality but they are unreal, for

they

> > last

> > > > only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put some

> smoke

> > in

> > > > a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after sometime.

but

> > as

> > > > long as these things are FELT, it looks real and lasting.

> > > >

> > > > the above are based on my limited knowledge and others may

have

> > > > different experiences based on their knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear forum friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been obsessed

> > > > > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that revelation

> > without

> > > > the

> > > > > math degree that usually is required of the devotees!) and

> now

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all that

is

> > > > > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 dollars a

> > > > > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another and

> > goes

> > > up

> > > > > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I mean

> > middle

> > > > > east).

> > > > >

> > > > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative state, a

> > vacuum

> > > > > into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill the

> > void

> > > to

> > > > > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the pain

of a

> > > > dental

> > > > > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and

ignoring

> > to

> > > > brush

> > > > > afterwards?

> > > > >

> > > > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and all

those

> > > > tools

> > > > > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos and

> > > solutions

> > > > > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a price!

Kind

> > of

> > > > like

> > > > > the professional divinational scene including karmic

remedies

> > and

> > > > > ?energy? put to GOoD' use!

> > > > >

> > > > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another

> > oversimplified

> > > > > concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical

realm

> > and

> > > > laws

> > > > > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO ABOVE"

> rather

> > > > than

> > > > > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the

> reverse!).

> > > > >

> > > > > Personal experiences often related in exalted states

indicate

> > > some

> > > > > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being

followed

> > by

> > > > > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration into

> the

> > > > realm

> > > > > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is almost

like

> a

> > > > > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and down-

> > > > modulates

> > > > > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at a

> > premium

> > > at

> > > > > some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named

above).

> > > > >

> > > > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed around

as

> > the

> > > > > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). How

> > > > entrenched

> > > > > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even

when

> we

> > > > prance

> > > > > spiritual!

> > > > >

> > > > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D reality

> and

> > > > work

> > > > > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire

cosmic

> > > > reality

> > > > > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised upon

the

> > > wooden

> > > > > springy diving board, about to plunge into the success

that

> > the

> > > > dive

> > > > > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds!

> > > > >

> > > > > The experience of that success, that healing is neither

> > described

> > > > by

> > > > > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, nor

the

> > > > contact

> > > > > with water -- oh so perfect!

> > > > >

> > > > > Healing, as well, I think!!

> > > > >

> > > > > The planning and journey are essential but not the same as

> the

> > > > > destination. That is what healing is!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , neelay

<neelay2006@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I

should

> > > > share.

> > > > > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime

about

> > an

> > > > > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from Canada

and

> > is

> > > > known

> > > > > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my

> > attention

> > > > was

> > > > > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing techique

> > seemed

> > > > > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he

describes

> > it

> > > > as

> > > > > following in his website

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge

the

> > auras

> > > > of

> > > > > all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses

> > > holographic

> > > > > views to energetically affect through intention those

> present.

> > > His

> > > > > full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam's

> > workshops

> > > > are

> > > > > participatory as through the use of visualizations he

> empowers

> > > > > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will

share

> > his

> > > > > insights on this topic and share his own healing abilities

> > with

> > > > all

> > > > > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the

> right

> > > > > direction and gives you some basic tools for improving and

> > > > > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more

> > effective

> > > > > control of our immune system and healing abilities through

> > > > > intention"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets people

for

> > the

> > > > > group treatment. Here is his website:

> > http://www.dreamhealer.com/

> > > > > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC yesterday

> > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2179784&page=1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Neelay

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote:

> > > > > > Charles I really appreciate your posting. I

think

> > > this

> > > > > detail would

> > > > > > help the readers, astro community and patients

understand

> MS

> > > > better

> > > > > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish you

all

> > the

> > > > very

> > > > > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge of

MS.

> > Let

> > > > us

> > > > > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find out

> better

> > > > > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is prasannman@

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

, "charles_corbit"

> > > > > > <charles_corbit@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to

post a

> > bit

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For

reference,

> > I

> > > am

> > > > > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for

feedback

> > on

> > > > how

> > > > > > > events transpired relative to astrological indicators.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST)

> > > > > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms

> appeared

> > > > around

> > > > > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to the

> gym

> > to

> > > > > work

> > > > > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating on

> > strength

> > > > > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to get

> > > > lightheaded

> > > > > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in my

head.

> > I

> > > > went

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was mentioned

> > that

> > > it

> > > > > > could

> > > > > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I was

> told

> > > > that

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a

> > therapist.

> > > > For

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food diet

and

> > not

> > > > > > keeping

> > > > > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working out

so

> > > > > intently,

> > > > > > > the symptoms were mitigated.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety of

> > symptoms

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where

lightheaded

> in

> > > > nature

> > > > > > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". I

was

> > > > tested

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, sleep

> study

> > > and

> > > > > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal

resting

> > > > heart

> > > > > > rate

> > > > > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart goes

> > down

> > > to

> > > > 35

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years career

wise

> > and

> > > > it

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a

terrible

> > diet

> > > > and

> > > > > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath with

> > large

> > > > > amounts

> > > > > > > of coffee.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were

detected,

> > I

> > > > often

> > > > > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking

> through

> > a

> > > > > > tunnel,

> > > > > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some of

the

> > > data.

> > > > It

> > > > > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test always

came

> > up

> > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > and I do not even wear glasses.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was

getting

> > > worse

> > > > > and

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in the

heat

> > or

> > > > > after

> > > > > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I

failed,

> > so

> > > > they

> > > > > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate elevated.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection

after

> > > sinus

> > > > > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was taking

OTC

> > pain

> > > > > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy

> medication.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I

cannot

> > > > correlate

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > any dasha sub periods, etc..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my

toes. I

> > > > thought

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to get

> > numbness

> > > > and

> > > > > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a whole

in

> > my

> > > > > chest.;

> > > > > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my

torso.

> > The

> > > > > doctors

> > > > > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally through

the

> > MRIs,

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three lesions

in

> > my

> > > > > brain.

> > > > > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a phone

> > number

> > > > for

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif

> > (interferon)

> > > > > with

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and sent

me

> on

> > my

> > > > > way.

> > > > > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, diet,

etc…

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a

month

> > or

> > > > so. I

> > > > > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must not

> > fight

> > > > this,

> > > > > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat

this,

> > but

> > > I

> > > > > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I

started

> > an

> > > > > ardent

> > > > > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic and

non-

> > > > > allopathic,

> > > > > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very

well,

> > some

> > > > > > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. I

read

> > > > about

> > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read about

> > Ayurveda

> > > > and

> > > > > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my

issues

> > and

> > > > > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened it

> > along.

> > > > As I

> > > > > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk factors

and

> > the

> > > > > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon was

not

> > > worth

> > > > > it.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who was

> > much

> > > > more

> > > > > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree

completely,

> > but I

> > > > > feel

> > > > > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my health.

I

> > > > decided

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last annual

> MRI

> > > > showed

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back

negative!! I

> > > > decided

> > > > > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would

consider

> > > > starting

> > > > > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself

dietwise

> > and

> > > > > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping the

> > > > progression.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a year

> > period

> > > > and

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > seen real benefits during this time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed by

Dr.

> > > > Swank,

> > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?

ie=UTF8

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by a

> board

> > > > > > certified

> > > > > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies which

> > indicate

> > > > a

> > > > > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions.

> > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?

ie=UTF8

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do

struggle

> > with

> > > > this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and concentrate

on

> > whole

> > > > > > > organic foods.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I do

not

> > get

> > > > sick

> > > > > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My allergies

are

> > much

> > > > > less.

> > > > > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness and

> > tingling,

> > > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a bit

more

> > and

> > > I

> > > > do

> > > > > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me that

> > much.

> > > I

> > > > do

> > > > > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my

karma,

> > of

> > > my

> > > > > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not MS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I

would

> > be

> > > > > living

> > > > > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. I

> > realize

> > > > that

> > > > > > > physically things could change very quickly as the

nature

> > of

> > > > MS

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my

diagnosis

> > has

> > > > been

> > > > > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it has

> > allowed

> > > > me

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never would

have

> > > > > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts now

> > will

> > > > allow

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body

when

> > the

> > > > time

> > > > > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Charles

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at least

look

> > > into

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these methods

> can

> > > > help

> > > > > > > lessen the impact.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > > Neelay

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to

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Rishi ji,

 

What scares you?

 

The baby (unknown/responsibility)

Human emotions captive on TV (emotions must not be sold!)

Upcoming couple of years (me too!)

 

Good to hear your voice back here!

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Scares me!

>

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Rishi ji ---

> >

> > Not just a human quest, Sir to give structure or impose

> structure ...

> >

> > Females rats in the wild and in laboratories when they give birth

> are

> > known to 'nest'. They create a soft and warm environment for

their

> > forthcoming babies. Cats are known to do same or similar ...

> >

> > Almost all birds do the same and that is better known!

> >

> > Most humans too -- even in the superficial but *sweet* anyway --

> TV

> > commercials showing a very pregnant woman not quite sure about

> their

> > familial **preparedness** and her husband who stayed up all night

> to

> > get the baby room all painted and done, primarily to please his

> > expectant wife and also hopefully -- his forthcoming child!

> >

> > ...

> >

> >

> >

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > > I suppose it is the eternal human quest to give a structure to

> all

> > > events and things around them. Logically and sequentially

> increase

> > > the knowledge and build up systems. Over milleniums some

success

> > has

> > > been achieved and that is why you sit miles away and yet we can

> > > communicate.

> > > So far, perhaps, the healing process still remains a bit of a

> > > mystery.

> > > I agree totally that the healing reality is between the healer

> and

> > > the one being healed.

> > > regards

> > > rishi

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Arjunbhai,

> > > >

> > > > I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and astute

> > > member

> > > > on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed my

> having

> > > > been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy and

> long

> > > > messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously what I

> wrote

> > > and

> > > > tried to express -- given my physical and mental

> limitations??)

> > > >

> > > > I respond to the early and the last part of your posting

> > > > specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your important

> > > > messages.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother!

> HEALING

> > is

> > > an

> > > > experience, neither less nor more! If it is not experienced

> > > directly

> > > > and personally as a healer or one healed, it is meaningless

to

> > the

> > > > rest!

> > > >

> > > > Anahata ...

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear RR ji

> > > > >

> > > > > unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word in

> > itself

> > > > > which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds of

> > > treatments

> > > > > or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at a

> heavy

> > > > > price for the invisible light energy.

> > > > >

> > > > > all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in the

> > > various

> > > > > energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned dificult

> yoga

> > > > > sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini awakening

> or

> > > > > switching on the sleeping powerhouse.

> > > > >

> > > > > even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret air

> > > control

> > > > > or concentration techniques are confined to few masters

> whereby

> > > a

> > > > > fighter can control the air so much so that the particulr

> part

> > > of

> > > > > the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air

> control

> > > or

> > > > > concentration technique that strong solid bricks, stones

and

> > > > glasses

> > > > > can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the

strenght

> is

> > > not

> > > > > the physical body but the invisible air and the mindpower.

> few

> > > > > people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel and

> > > breathe

> > > > > in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through

their

> > > navel

> > > > > (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in the

> bowl

> > > and

> > > > > even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated from

> the

> > > > body

> > > > > with full force, they fail.

> > > > >

> > > > > similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is

> concentrated

> > > and

> > > > > focused or channelised at a particular place so that the

> place

> > > is

> > > > > filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is

> solved.

> > > > >

> > > > > however, some psychics and healers have started cheating

the

> > > > > gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls, throwing

> or

> > > > > playing a football (wish the million dollar paid

footballers

> > > hire

> > > > > some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of goals

in

> a

> > > > > single match!) type game with those invisible energy balls

> and

> > > > shoot

> > > > > those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles

towards

> a

> > > > > person in another continent either to hit him hard

(knockout

> > > punch)

> > > > > or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi

matrix

> > > movie

> > > > > type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by

these

> > > > healers

> > > > > to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual

> reality.

> > > > >

> > > > > in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three categories

> viz.

> > > > > REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE.

> > > > >

> > > > > real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings

have

> > and

> > > > > this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is something

> which

> > > > > makes an object looks like having life and the object in

> fact

> > > > > behaves like a living object but in reality it is unreal.

> > false

> > > is

> > > > > something which is a fake and known to all. recently a

> person

> > > sold

> > > > > a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating

> tissue

> > > as a

> > > > > nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and is

> behind

> > > the

> > > > > bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is

> > > believing).

> > > > > you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the

> reflection

> > > of

> > > > > sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a

> monster

> > > with

> > > > > 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest

liquors

> > and

> > > > > most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap parties,

> these

> > > are

> > > > > false.

> > > > >

> > > > > in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are followed in

> > > which a

> > > > > kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. most

> charms

> > > and

> > > > > spells look like real in reality but they are unreal, for

> they

> > > last

> > > > > only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put some

> > smoke

> > > in

> > > > > a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after sometime.

> but

> > > as

> > > > > long as these things are FELT, it looks real and lasting.

> > > > >

> > > > > the above are based on my limited knowledge and others may

> have

> > > > > different experiences based on their knowledge.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear forum friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been

obsessed

> > > > > > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that revelation

> > > without

> > > > > the

> > > > > > math degree that usually is required of the devotees!)

and

> > now

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all

that

> is

> > > > > > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 dollars

a

> > > > > > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another

and

> > > goes

> > > > up

> > > > > > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I

mean

> > > middle

> > > > > > east).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative state,

a

> > > vacuum

> > > > > > into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill

the

> > > void

> > > > to

> > > > > > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the pain

> of a

> > > > > dental

> > > > > > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and

> ignoring

> > > to

> > > > > brush

> > > > > > afterwards?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and all

> those

> > > > > tools

> > > > > > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos and

> > > > solutions

> > > > > > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a price!

> Kind

> > > of

> > > > > like

> > > > > > the professional divinational scene including karmic

> remedies

> > > and

> > > > > > ?energy? put to GOoD' use!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another

> > > oversimplified

> > > > > > concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical

> realm

> > > and

> > > > > laws

> > > > > > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO ABOVE"

> > rather

> > > > > than

> > > > > > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the

> > reverse!).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Personal experiences often related in exalted states

> indicate

> > > > some

> > > > > > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being

> followed

> > > by

> > > > > > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration

into

> > the

> > > > > realm

> > > > > > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is almost

> like

> > a

> > > > > > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and

down-

> > > > > modulates

> > > > > > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at a

> > > premium

> > > > at

> > > > > > some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named

> above).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed around

> as

> > > the

> > > > > > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). How

> > > > > entrenched

> > > > > > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even

> when

> > we

> > > > > prance

> > > > > > spiritual!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D

reality

> > and

> > > > > work

> > > > > > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire

> cosmic

> > > > > reality

> > > > > > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised upon

> the

> > > > wooden

> > > > > > springy diving board, about to plunge into the success

> that

> > > the

> > > > > dive

> > > > > > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The experience of that success, that healing is neither

> > > described

> > > > > by

> > > > > > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, nor

> the

> > > > > contact

> > > > > > with water -- oh so perfect!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Healing, as well, I think!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The planning and journey are essential but not the same

as

> > the

> > > > > > destination. That is what healing is!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , neelay

> <neelay2006@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I

> should

> > > > > share.

> > > > > > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime

> about

> > > an

> > > > > > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from Canada

> and

> > > is

> > > > > known

> > > > > > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my

> > > attention

> > > > > was

> > > > > > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing

techique

> > > seemed

> > > > > > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he

> describes

> > > it

> > > > > as

> > > > > > following in his website

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge

> the

> > > auras

> > > > > of

> > > > > > all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses

> > > > holographic

> > > > > > views to energetically affect through intention those

> > present.

> > > > His

> > > > > > full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam's

> > > workshops

> > > > > are

> > > > > > participatory as through the use of visualizations he

> > empowers

> > > > > > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will

> share

> > > his

> > > > > > insights on this topic and share his own healing

abilities

> > > with

> > > > > all

> > > > > > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the

> > right

> > > > > > direction and gives you some basic tools for improving

and

> > > > > > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more

> > > effective

> > > > > > control of our immune system and healing abilities

through

> > > > > > intention"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets people

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > group treatment. Here is his website:

> > > http://www.dreamhealer.com/

> > > > > > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC

yesterday

> > > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?

id=2179784&page=1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Neelay

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Charles I really appreciate your posting. I

> think

> > > > this

> > > > > > detail would

> > > > > > > help the readers, astro community and patients

> understand

> > MS

> > > > > better

> > > > > > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish you

> all

> > > the

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge of

> MS.

> > > Let

> > > > > us

> > > > > > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find out

> > better

> > > > > > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is prasannman@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> , "charles_corbit"

> > > > > > > <charles_corbit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to

> post a

> > > bit

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For

> reference,

> > > I

> > > > am

> > > > > > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for

> feedback

> > > on

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > > events transpired relative to astrological indicators.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST)

> > > > > > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms

> > appeared

> > > > > around

> > > > > > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to

the

> > gym

> > > to

> > > > > > work

> > > > > > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating on

> > > strength

> > > > > > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to get

> > > > > lightheaded

> > > > > > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in my

> head.

> > > I

> > > > > went

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was

mentioned

> > > that

> > > > it

> > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I was

> > told

> > > > > that

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a

> > > therapist.

> > > > > For

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food diet

> and

> > > not

> > > > > > > keeping

> > > > > > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working out

> so

> > > > > > intently,

> > > > > > > > the symptoms were mitigated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety of

> > > symptoms

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where

> lightheaded

> > in

> > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". I

> was

> > > > > tested

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, sleep

> > study

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal

> resting

> > > > > heart

> > > > > > > rate

> > > > > > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart

goes

> > > down

> > > > to

> > > > > 35

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years career

> wise

> > > and

> > > > > it

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a

> terrible

> > > diet

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath with

> > > large

> > > > > > amounts

> > > > > > > > of coffee.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were

> detected,

> > > I

> > > > > often

> > > > > > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking

> > through

> > > a

> > > > > > > tunnel,

> > > > > > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some of

> the

> > > > data.

> > > > > It

> > > > > > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test always

> came

> > > up

> > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > and I do not even wear glasses.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was

> getting

> > > > worse

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in the

> heat

> > > or

> > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I

> failed,

> > > so

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate elevated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection

> after

> > > > sinus

> > > > > > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was taking

> OTC

> > > pain

> > > > > > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy

> > medication.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I

> cannot

> > > > > correlate

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > any dasha sub periods, etc..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my

> toes. I

> > > > > thought

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to get

> > > numbness

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a whole

> in

> > > my

> > > > > > chest.;

> > > > > > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my

> torso.

> > > The

> > > > > > doctors

> > > > > > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally through

> the

> > > MRIs,

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three lesions

> in

> > > my

> > > > > > brain.

> > > > > > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a phone

> > > number

> > > > > for

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif

> > > (interferon)

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and sent

> me

> > on

> > > my

> > > > > > way.

> > > > > > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, diet,

> etc…

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a

> month

> > > or

> > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must not

> > > fight

> > > > > this,

> > > > > > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat

> this,

> > > but

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I

> started

> > > an

> > > > > > ardent

> > > > > > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic and

> non-

> > > > > > allopathic,

> > > > > > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very

> well,

> > > some

> > > > > > > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. I

> read

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read about

> > > Ayurveda

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my

> issues

> > > and

> > > > > > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened it

> > > along.

> > > > > As I

> > > > > > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk factors

> and

> > > the

> > > > > > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon was

> not

> > > > worth

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who

was

> > > much

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree

> completely,

> > > but I

> > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my

health.

> I

> > > > > decided

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last

annual

> > MRI

> > > > > showed

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back

> negative!! I

> > > > > decided

> > > > > > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would

> consider

> > > > > starting

> > > > > > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself

> dietwise

> > > and

> > > > > > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping the

> > > > > progression.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a year

> > > period

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > seen real benefits during this time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed by

> Dr.

> > > > > Swank,

> > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?

> ie=UTF8

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by a

> > board

> > > > > > > certified

> > > > > > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies which

> > > indicate

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions.

> > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?

> ie=UTF8

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do

> struggle

> > > with

> > > > > this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and concentrate

> on

> > > whole

> > > > > > > > organic foods.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I do

> not

> > > get

> > > > > sick

> > > > > > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My allergies

> are

> > > much

> > > > > > less.

> > > > > > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness and

> > > tingling,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a bit

> more

> > > and

> > > > I

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me

that

> > > much.

> > > > I

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my

> karma,

> > > of

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not MS.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I

> would

> > > be

> > > > > > living

> > > > > > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. I

> > > realize

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > physically things could change very quickly as the

> nature

> > > of

> > > > > MS

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my

> diagnosis

> > > has

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it has

> > > allowed

> > > > > me

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never would

> have

> > > > > > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts

now

> > > will

> > > > > allow

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body

> when

> > > the

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Charles

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at least

> look

> > > > into

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these

methods

> > can

> > > > > help

> > > > > > > > lessen the impact.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > > > Neelay

> > > > > > >

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All those "ji"s etc .

I enjoy babies and uncertainities and responsibilities.

I suppose human emotions being sold I can deal with somehow.

The next couple of years...they are but a part of a cycle, so will

take them as they come; afterall time!

but those 'ji's...are scary!

regards

rishi

 

 

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Rishi ji,

>

> What scares you?

>

> The baby (unknown/responsibility)

> Human emotions captive on TV (emotions must not be sold!)

> Upcoming couple of years (me too!)

>

> Good to hear your voice back here!

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > Scares me!

> >

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rishi ji ---

> > >

> > > Not just a human quest, Sir to give structure or impose

> > structure ...

> > >

> > > Females rats in the wild and in laboratories when they give

birth

> > are

> > > known to 'nest'. They create a soft and warm environment for

> their

> > > forthcoming babies. Cats are known to do same or similar ...

> > >

> > > Almost all birds do the same and that is better known!

> > >

> > > Most humans too -- even in the superficial but *sweet* anyway -

-

> > TV

> > > commercials showing a very pregnant woman not quite sure about

> > their

> > > familial **preparedness** and her husband who stayed up all

night

> > to

> > > get the baby room all painted and done, primarily to please

his

> > > expectant wife and also hopefully -- his forthcoming child!

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RRji,

> > > > I suppose it is the eternal human quest to give a structure

to

> > all

> > > > events and things around them. Logically and sequentially

> > increase

> > > > the knowledge and build up systems. Over milleniums some

> success

> > > has

> > > > been achieved and that is why you sit miles away and yet we

can

> > > > communicate.

> > > > So far, perhaps, the healing process still remains a bit of

a

> > > > mystery.

> > > > I agree totally that the healing reality is between the

healer

> > and

> > > > the one being healed.

> > > > regards

> > > > rishi

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Arjunbhai,

> > > > >

> > > > > I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and

astute

> > > > member

> > > > > on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed my

> > having

> > > > > been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy and

> > long

> > > > > messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously what I

> > wrote

> > > > and

> > > > > tried to express -- given my physical and mental

> > limitations??)

> > > > >

> > > > > I respond to the early and the last part of your posting

> > > > > specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your

important

> > > > > messages.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother!

> > HEALING

> > > is

> > > > an

> > > > > experience, neither less nor more! If it is not

experienced

> > > > directly

> > > > > and personally as a healer or one healed, it is

meaningless

> to

> > > the

> > > > > rest!

> > > > >

> > > > > Anahata ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Love,

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear RR ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word

in

> > > itself

> > > > > > which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds of

> > > > treatments

> > > > > > or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at

a

> > heavy

> > > > > > price for the invisible light energy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in

the

> > > > various

> > > > > > energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned

dificult

> > yoga

> > > > > > sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini

awakening

> > or

> > > > > > switching on the sleeping powerhouse.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret

air

> > > > control

> > > > > > or concentration techniques are confined to few masters

> > whereby

> > > > a

> > > > > > fighter can control the air so much so that the

particulr

> > part

> > > > of

> > > > > > the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air

> > control

> > > > or

> > > > > > concentration technique that strong solid bricks, stones

> and

> > > > > glasses

> > > > > > can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the

> strenght

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > the physical body but the invisible air and the

mindpower.

> > few

> > > > > > people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel

and

> > > > breathe

> > > > > > in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through

> their

> > > > navel

> > > > > > (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in the

> > bowl

> > > > and

> > > > > > even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated

from

> > the

> > > > > body

> > > > > > with full force, they fail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is

> > concentrated

> > > > and

> > > > > > focused or channelised at a particular place so that the

> > place

> > > > is

> > > > > > filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is

> > solved.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > however, some psychics and healers have started cheating

> the

> > > > > > gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls,

throwing

> > or

> > > > > > playing a football (wish the million dollar paid

> footballers

> > > > hire

> > > > > > some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of

goals

> in

> > a

> > > > > > single match!) type game with those invisible energy

balls

> > and

> > > > > shoot

> > > > > > those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles

> towards

> > a

> > > > > > person in another continent either to hit him hard

> (knockout

> > > > punch)

> > > > > > or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi

> matrix

> > > > movie

> > > > > > type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by

> these

> > > > > healers

> > > > > > to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual

> > reality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three

categories

> > viz.

> > > > > > REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings

> have

> > > and

> > > > > > this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is

something

> > which

> > > > > > makes an object looks like having life and the object in

> > fact

> > > > > > behaves like a living object but in reality it is

unreal.

> > > false

> > > > is

> > > > > > something which is a fake and known to all. recently a

> > person

> > > > sold

> > > > > > a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating

> > tissue

> > > > as a

> > > > > > nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and is

> > behind

> > > > the

> > > > > > bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is

> > > > believing).

> > > > > > you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the

> > reflection

> > > > of

> > > > > > sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a

> > monster

> > > > with

> > > > > > 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest

> liquors

> > > and

> > > > > > most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap parties,

> > these

> > > > are

> > > > > > false.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are followed

in

> > > > which a

> > > > > > kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. most

> > charms

> > > > and

> > > > > > spells look like real in reality but they are unreal,

for

> > they

> > > > last

> > > > > > only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put

some

> > > smoke

> > > > in

> > > > > > a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after

sometime.

> > but

> > > > as

> > > > > > long as these things are FELT, it looks real and lasting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the above are based on my limited knowledge and others

may

> > have

> > > > > > different experiences based on their knowledge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear forum friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been

> obsessed

> > > > > > > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that

revelation

> > > > without

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > math degree that usually is required of the devotees!)

> and

> > > now

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all

> that

> > is

> > > > > > > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70

dollars

> a

> > > > > > > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another

> and

> > > > goes

> > > > > up

> > > > > > > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I

> mean

> > > > middle

> > > > > > > east).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative

state,

> a

> > > > vacuum

> > > > > > > into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill

> the

> > > > void

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the

pain

> > of a

> > > > > > dental

> > > > > > > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and

> > ignoring

> > > > to

> > > > > > brush

> > > > > > > afterwards?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and

all

> > those

> > > > > > tools

> > > > > > > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos

and

> > > > > solutions

> > > > > > > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a

price!

> > Kind

> > > > of

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > the professional divinational scene including karmic

> > remedies

> > > > and

> > > > > > > ?energy? put to GOoD' use!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another

> > > > oversimplified

> > > > > > > concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical

> > realm

> > > > and

> > > > > > laws

> > > > > > > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO

ABOVE"

> > > rather

> > > > > > than

> > > > > > > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the

> > > reverse!).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Personal experiences often related in exalted states

> > indicate

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being

> > followed

> > > > by

> > > > > > > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration

> into

> > > the

> > > > > > realm

> > > > > > > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is

almost

> > like

> > > a

> > > > > > > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and

> down-

> > > > > > modulates

> > > > > > > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at

a

> > > > premium

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named

> > above).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed

around

> > as

> > > > the

> > > > > > > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!).

How

> > > > > > entrenched

> > > > > > > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even

> > when

> > > we

> > > > > > prance

> > > > > > > spiritual!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D

> reality

> > > and

> > > > > > work

> > > > > > > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire

> > cosmic

> > > > > > reality

> > > > > > > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised

upon

> > the

> > > > > wooden

> > > > > > > springy diving board, about to plunge into the success

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > dive

> > > > > > > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The experience of that success, that healing is

neither

> > > > described

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air,

nor

> > the

> > > > > > contact

> > > > > > > with water -- oh so perfect!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Healing, as well, I think!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The planning and journey are essential but not the

same

> as

> > > the

> > > > > > > destination. That is what healing is!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , neelay

> > <neelay2006@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I

> > should

> > > > > > share.

> > > > > > > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime

> > about

> > > > an

> > > > > > > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from

Canada

> > and

> > > > is

> > > > > > known

> > > > > > > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my

> > > > attention

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing

> techique

> > > > seemed

> > > > > > > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he

> > describes

> > > > it

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > following in his website

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to

merge

> > the

> > > > auras

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses

> > > > > holographic

> > > > > > > views to energetically affect through intention those

> > > present.

> > > > > His

> > > > > > > full-day workshop contains two group treatments.

Adam's

> > > > workshops

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > participatory as through the use of visualizations he

> > > empowers

> > > > > > > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He

will

> > share

> > > > his

> > > > > > > insights on this topic and share his own healing

> abilities

> > > > with

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in

the

> > > right

> > > > > > > direction and gives you some basic tools for improving

> and

> > > > > > > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more

> > > > effective

> > > > > > > control of our immune system and healing abilities

> through

> > > > > > > intention"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets

people

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > > > group treatment. Here is his website:

> > > > http://www.dreamhealer.com/

> > > > > > > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC

> yesterday

> > > > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?

> id=2179784&page=1

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Neelay

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Charles I really appreciate your posting.

I

> > think

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > detail would

> > > > > > > > help the readers, astro community and patients

> > understand

> > > MS

> > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish

you

> > all

> > > > the

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge

of

> > MS.

> > > > Let

> > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find

out

> > > better

> > > > > > > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is

prasannman@

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > , "charles_corbit"

> > > > > > > > <charles_corbit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to

> > post a

> > > > bit

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For

> > reference,

> > > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for

> > feedback

> > > > on

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > events transpired relative to astrological

indicators.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST)

> > > > > > > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms

> > > appeared

> > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to

> the

> > > gym

> > > > to

> > > > > > > work

> > > > > > > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating

on

> > > > strength

> > > > > > > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to

get

> > > > > > lightheaded

> > > > > > > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in

my

> > head.

> > > > I

> > > > > > went

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was

> mentioned

> > > > that

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I

was

> > > told

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a

> > > > therapist.

> > > > > > For

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food

diet

> > and

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > keeping

> > > > > > > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working

out

> > so

> > > > > > > intently,

> > > > > > > > > the symptoms were mitigated.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety

of

> > > > symptoms

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where

> > lightheaded

> > > in

> > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right".

I

> > was

> > > > > > tested

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea,

sleep

> > > study

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal

> > resting

> > > > > > heart

> > > > > > > > rate

> > > > > > > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart

> goes

> > > > down

> > > > > to

> > > > > > 35

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years

career

> > wise

> > > > and

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a

> > terrible

> > > > diet

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath

with

> > > > large

> > > > > > > amounts

> > > > > > > > > of coffee.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were

> > detected,

> > > > I

> > > > > > often

> > > > > > > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking

> > > through

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > tunnel,

> > > > > > > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some

of

> > the

> > > > > data.

> > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test

always

> > came

> > > > up

> > > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > and I do not even wear glasses.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was

> > getting

> > > > > worse

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in

the

> > heat

> > > > or

> > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I

> > failed,

> > > > so

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate

elevated.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection

> > after

> > > > > sinus

> > > > > > > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was

taking

> > OTC

> > > > pain

> > > > > > > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy

> > > medication.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I

> > cannot

> > > > > > correlate

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > any dasha sub periods, etc..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my

> > toes. I

> > > > > > thought

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to

get

> > > > numbness

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a

whole

> > in

> > > > my

> > > > > > > chest.;

> > > > > > > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my

> > torso.

> > > > The

> > > > > > > doctors

> > > > > > > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally

through

> > the

> > > > MRIs,

> > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three

lesions

> > in

> > > > my

> > > > > > > brain.

> > > > > > > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a

phone

> > > > number

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif

> > > > (interferon)

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and

sent

> > me

> > > on

> > > > my

> > > > > > > way.

> > > > > > > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives,

diet,

> > etc…

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a

> > month

> > > > or

> > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must

not

> > > > fight

> > > > > > this,

> > > > > > > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat

> > this,

> > > > but

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I

> > started

> > > > an

> > > > > > > ardent

> > > > > > > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic

and

> > non-

> > > > > > > allopathic,

> > > > > > > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very

> > well,

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects.

I

> > read

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read

about

> > > > Ayurveda

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my

> > issues

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened

it

> > > > along.

> > > > > > As I

> > > > > > > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk

factors

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon

was

> > not

> > > > > worth

> > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who

> was

> > > > much

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree

> > completely,

> > > > but I

> > > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my

> health.

> > I

> > > > > > decided

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last

> annual

> > > MRI

> > > > > > showed

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back

> > negative!! I

> > > > > > decided

> > > > > > > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would

> > consider

> > > > > > starting

> > > > > > > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself

> > dietwise

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping

the

> > > > > > progression.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a

year

> > > > period

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > seen real benefits during this time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed

by

> > Dr.

> > > > > > Swank,

> > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?

> > ie=UTF8

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by

a

> > > board

> > > > > > > > certified

> > > > > > > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies

which

> > > > indicate

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions.

> > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?

> > ie=UTF8

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do

> > struggle

> > > > with

> > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and

concentrate

> > on

> > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > organic foods.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I

do

> > not

> > > > get

> > > > > > sick

> > > > > > > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My

allergies

> > are

> > > > much

> > > > > > > less.

> > > > > > > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness

and

> > > > tingling,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a

bit

> > more

> > > > and

> > > > > I

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me

> that

> > > > much.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my

> > karma,

> > > > of

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not

MS.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I

> > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > > living

> > > > > > > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis.

I

> > > > realize

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > physically things could change very quickly as the

> > nature

> > > > of

> > > > > > MS

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my

> > diagnosis

> > > > has

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it

has

> > > > allowed

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never

would

> > have

> > > > > > > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts

> now

> > > > will

> > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body

> > when

> > > > the

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Charles

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at

least

> > look

> > > > > into

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these

> methods

> > > can

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > lessen the impact.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > > > > Neelay

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Dear brother (does that sound better in this evanescent reality?)

 

Each and every single one of us, in my ant's view,

holds three compartments within -- animal/human/divine.

 

Neither of these three trimurtis are higher or lower --

they are just dependent on each other.

 

Their mutual existence and importance depends

on the chain --- merely to operate smoothly!

 

Assuming that void is where it ALL started --

If Brahma never woke up!

What shall Vishnu sustain?

And, what shall remaqin for Shiva to destroy?

 

Just so ...

Brahma may awaken again ...

and the cycle continue, conveniently!

We make mistakes so that Gods, all three of them have a raison d'etre!

 

Ironic?

 

No, just Human!!

 

 

 

Arogantly yours

 

Forever?? (well maybe 2010 onwards?);-)

 

 

 

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> All those "ji"s etc .

> I enjoy babies and uncertainities and responsibilities.

> I suppose human emotions being sold I can deal with somehow.

> The next couple of years...they are but a part of a cycle, so will

> take them as they come; afterall time!

> but those 'ji's...are scary!

> regards

> rishi

>

>

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Rishi ji,

> >

> > What scares you?

> >

> > The baby (unknown/responsibility)

> > Human emotions captive on TV (emotions must not be sold!)

> > Upcoming couple of years (me too!)

> >

> > Good to hear your voice back here!

> >

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Scares me!

> > >

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Rishi ji ---

> > > >

> > > > Not just a human quest, Sir to give structure or impose

> > > structure ...

> > > >

> > > > Females rats in the wild and in laboratories when they give

> birth

> > > are

> > > > known to 'nest'. They create a soft and warm environment for

> > their

> > > > forthcoming babies. Cats are known to do same or similar ...

> > > >

> > > > Almost all birds do the same and that is better known!

> > > >

> > > > Most humans too -- even in the superficial but *sweet*

anyway -

> -

> > > TV

> > > > commercials showing a very pregnant woman not quite sure

about

> > > their

> > > > familial **preparedness** and her husband who stayed up all

> night

> > > to

> > > > get the baby room all painted and done, primarily to please

> his

> > > > expectant wife and also hopefully -- his forthcoming child!

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > RRji,

> > > > > I suppose it is the eternal human quest to give a structure

> to

> > > all

> > > > > events and things around them. Logically and sequentially

> > > increase

> > > > > the knowledge and build up systems. Over milleniums some

> > success

> > > > has

> > > > > been achieved and that is why you sit miles away and yet we

> can

> > > > > communicate.

> > > > > So far, perhaps, the healing process still remains a bit of

> a

> > > > > mystery.

> > > > > I agree totally that the healing reality is between the

> healer

> > > and

> > > > > the one being healed.

> > > > > regards

> > > > > rishi

> > > > >

> > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Arjunbhai,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and

> astute

> > > > > member

> > > > > > on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed

my

> > > having

> > > > > > been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy

and

> > > long

> > > > > > messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously what

I

> > > wrote

> > > > > and

> > > > > > tried to express -- given my physical and mental

> > > limitations??)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I respond to the early and the last part of your posting

> > > > > > specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your

> important

> > > > > > messages.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother!

> > > HEALING

> > > > is

> > > > > an

> > > > > > experience, neither less nor more! If it is not

> experienced

> > > > > directly

> > > > > > and personally as a healer or one healed, it is

> meaningless

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > rest!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anahata ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

, "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear RR ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word

> in

> > > > itself

> > > > > > > which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds

of

> > > > > treatments

> > > > > > > or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at

> a

> > > heavy

> > > > > > > price for the invisible light energy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in

> the

> > > > > various

> > > > > > > energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned

> dificult

> > > yoga

> > > > > > > sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini

> awakening

> > > or

> > > > > > > switching on the sleeping powerhouse.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret

> air

> > > > > control

> > > > > > > or concentration techniques are confined to few masters

> > > whereby

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > fighter can control the air so much so that the

> particulr

> > > part

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air

> > > control

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > concentration technique that strong solid bricks,

stones

> > and

> > > > > > glasses

> > > > > > > can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the

> > strenght

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > the physical body but the invisible air and the

> mindpower.

> > > few

> > > > > > > people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel

> and

> > > > > breathe

> > > > > > > in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through

> > their

> > > > > navel

> > > > > > > (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in

the

> > > bowl

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated

> from

> > > the

> > > > > > body

> > > > > > > with full force, they fail.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is

> > > concentrated

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > focused or channelised at a particular place so that

the

> > > place

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is

> > > solved.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > however, some psychics and healers have started

cheating

> > the

> > > > > > > gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls,

> throwing

> > > or

> > > > > > > playing a football (wish the million dollar paid

> > footballers

> > > > > hire

> > > > > > > some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of

> goals

> > in

> > > a

> > > > > > > single match!) type game with those invisible energy

> balls

> > > and

> > > > > > shoot

> > > > > > > those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles

> > towards

> > > a

> > > > > > > person in another continent either to hit him hard

> > (knockout

> > > > > punch)

> > > > > > > or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi

> > matrix

> > > > > movie

> > > > > > > type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by

> > these

> > > > > > healers

> > > > > > > to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual

> > > reality.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three

> categories

> > > viz.

> > > > > > > REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings

> > have

> > > > and

> > > > > > > this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is

> something

> > > which

> > > > > > > makes an object looks like having life and the object

in

> > > fact

> > > > > > > behaves like a living object but in reality it is

> unreal.

> > > > false

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > something which is a fake and known to all. recently a

> > > person

> > > > > sold

> > > > > > > a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating

> > > tissue

> > > > > as a

> > > > > > > nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and

is

> > > behind

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is

> > > > > believing).

> > > > > > > you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the

> > > reflection

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a

> > > monster

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest

> > liquors

> > > > and

> > > > > > > most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap

parties,

> > > these

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > false.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are

followed

> in

> > > > > which a

> > > > > > > kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal.

most

> > > charms

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > spells look like real in reality but they are unreal,

> for

> > > they

> > > > > last

> > > > > > > only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put

> some

> > > > smoke

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after

> sometime.

> > > but

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > long as these things are FELT, it looks real and

lasting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the above are based on my limited knowledge and others

> may

> > > have

> > > > > > > different experiences based on their knowledge.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > , "crystal

pages"

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear forum friends,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been

> > obsessed

> > > > > > > > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that

> revelation

> > > > > without

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > math degree that usually is required of the

devotees!)

> > and

> > > > now

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all

> > that

> > > is

> > > > > > > > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70

> dollars

> > a

> > > > > > > > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to

another

> > and

> > > > > goes

> > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I

> > mean

> > > > > middle

> > > > > > > > east).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative

> state,

> > a

> > > > > vacuum

> > > > > > > > into which some celestial energy must flow in and

fill

> > the

> > > > > void

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the

> pain

> > > of a

> > > > > > > dental

> > > > > > > > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and

> > > ignoring

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > brush

> > > > > > > > afterwards?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and

> all

> > > those

> > > > > > > tools

> > > > > > > > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos

> and

> > > > > > solutions

> > > > > > > > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a

> price!

> > > Kind

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > the professional divinational scene including karmic

> > > remedies

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > ?energy? put to GOoD' use!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another

> > > > > oversimplified

> > > > > > > > concept, yet again based upon and confined to

physical

> > > realm

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > laws

> > > > > > > > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO

> ABOVE"

> > > > rather

> > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the

> > > > reverse!).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Personal experiences often related in exalted states

> > > indicate

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being

> > > followed

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration

> > into

> > > > the

> > > > > > > realm

> > > > > > > > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is

> almost

> > > like

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and

> > down-

> > > > > > > modulates

> > > > > > > > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at

> a

> > > > > premium

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > some of the electro-spiritual department stores

(named

> > > above).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed

> around

> > > as

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!).

> How

> > > > > > > entrenched

> > > > > > > > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs

even

> > > when

> > > > we

> > > > > > > prance

> > > > > > > > spiritual!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D

> > reality

> > > > and

> > > > > > > work

> > > > > > > > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the

entire

> > > cosmic

> > > > > > > reality

> > > > > > > > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised

> upon

> > > the

> > > > > > wooden

> > > > > > > > springy diving board, about to plunge into the

success

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > dive

> > > > > > > > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The experience of that success, that healing is

> neither

> > > > > described

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air,

> nor

> > > the

> > > > > > > contact

> > > > > > > > with water -- oh so perfect!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Healing, as well, I think!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The planning and journey are essential but not the

> same

> > as

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > destination. That is what healing is!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , neelay

> > > <neelay2006@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I

> > > should

> > > > > > > share.

> > > > > > > > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC

Primetime

> > > about

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from

> Canada

> > > and

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my

> > > > > attention

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing

> > techique

> > > > > seemed

> > > > > > > > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he

> > > describes

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > following in his website

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to

> merge

> > > the

> > > > > auras

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > all participants with healing intentions. Then he

uses

> > > > > > holographic

> > > > > > > > views to energetically affect through intention those

> > > > present.

> > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > full-day workshop contains two group treatments.

> Adam's

> > > > > workshops

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > participatory as through the use of visualizations he

> > > > empowers

> > > > > > > > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He

> will

> > > share

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > insights on this topic and share his own healing

> > abilities

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in

> the

> > > > right

> > > > > > > > direction and gives you some basic tools for

improving

> > and

> > > > > > > > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more

> > > > > effective

> > > > > > > > control of our immune system and healing abilities

> > through

> > > > > > > > intention"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets

> people

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > group treatment. Here is his website:

> > > > > http://www.dreamhealer.com/

> > > > > > > > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC

> > yesterday

> > > > > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?

> > id=2179784&page=1

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Neelay

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Charles I really appreciate your posting.

> I

> > > think

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > detail would

> > > > > > > > > help the readers, astro community and patients

> > > understand

> > > > MS

> > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish

> you

> > > all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the

challenge

> of

> > > MS.

> > > > > Let

> > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find

> out

> > > > better

> > > > > > > > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is

> prasannman@

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > , "charles_corbit"

> > > > > > > > > <charles_corbit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided

to

> > > post a

> > > > > bit

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For

> > > reference,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for

> > > feedback

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > events transpired relative to astrological

> indicators.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST)

> > > > > > > > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms

> > > > appeared

> > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go

to

> > the

> > > > gym

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > work

> > > > > > > > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating

> on

> > > > > strength

> > > > > > > > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to

> get

> > > > > > > lightheaded

> > > > > > > > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in

> my

> > > head.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was

> > mentioned

> > > > > that

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I

> was

> > > > told

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a

> > > > > therapist.

> > > > > > > For

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food

> diet

> > > and

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > keeping

> > > > > > > > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working

> out

> > > so

> > > > > > > > intently,

> > > > > > > > > > the symptoms were mitigated.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety

> of

> > > > > symptoms

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where

> > > lightheaded

> > > > in

> > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > and a general feeling of just not

feeling "right".

> I

> > > was

> > > > > > > tested

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea,

> sleep

> > > > study

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal

> > > resting

> > > > > > > heart

> > > > > > > > > rate

> > > > > > > > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart

> > goes

> > > > > down

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > 35

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years

> career

> > > wise

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a

> > > terrible

> > > > > diet

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath

> with

> > > > > large

> > > > > > > > amounts

> > > > > > > > > > of coffee.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were

> > > detected,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > often

> > > > > > > > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of

looking

> > > > through

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > tunnel,

> > > > > > > > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > data.

> > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test

> always

> > > came

> > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > > and I do not even wear glasses.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was

> > > getting

> > > > > > worse

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in

> the

> > > heat

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I

> > > failed,

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate

> elevated.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus

infection

> > > after

> > > > > > sinus

> > > > > > > > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was

> taking

> > > OTC

> > > > > pain

> > > > > > > > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy

> > > > medication.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I

> > > cannot

> > > > > > > correlate

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > any dasha sub periods, etc..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my

> > > toes. I

> > > > > > > thought

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to

> get

> > > > > numbness

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a

> whole

> > > in

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > chest.;

> > > > > > > > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my

> > > torso.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > > doctors

> > > > > > > > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally

> through

> > > the

> > > > > MRIs,

> > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three

> lesions

> > > in

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > brain.

> > > > > > > > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a

> phone

> > > > > number

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif

> > > > > (interferon)

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and

> sent

> > > me

> > > > on

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > way.

> > > > > > > > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives,

> diet,

> > > etc…

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about

a

> > > month

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must

> not

> > > > > fight

> > > > > > > this,

> > > > > > > > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to

beat

> > > this,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I

> > > started

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > ardent

> > > > > > > > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic

> and

> > > non-

> > > > > > > > allopathic,

> > > > > > > > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted

very

> > > well,

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > limited site reactions, but no major side

effects.

> I

> > > read

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read

> about

> > > > > Ayurveda

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my

> > > issues

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least

hastened

> it

> > > > > along.

> > > > > > > As I

> > > > > > > > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk

> factors

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon

> was

> > > not

> > > > > > worth

> > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one

who

> > was

> > > > > much

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree

> > > completely,

> > > > > but I

> > > > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my

> > health.

> > > I

> > > > > > > decided

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last

> > annual

> > > > MRI

> > > > > > > showed

> > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back

> > > negative!! I

> > > > > > > decided

> > > > > > > > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would

> > > consider

> > > > > > > starting

> > > > > > > > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself

> > > dietwise

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping

> the

> > > > > > > progression.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a

> year

> > > > > period

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > seen real benefits during this time.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as

detailed

> by

> > > Dr.

> > > > > > > Swank,

> > > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?

> > > ie=UTF8

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed

by

> a

> > > > board

> > > > > > > > > certified

> > > > > > > > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies

> which

> > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions.

> > > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?

> > > ie=UTF8

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do

> > > struggle

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and

> concentrate

> > > on

> > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > organic foods.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I

> do

> > > not

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > sick

> > > > > > > > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My

> allergies

> > > are

> > > > > much

> > > > > > > > less.

> > > > > > > > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness

> and

> > > > > tingling,

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a

> bit

> > > more

> > > > > and

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me

> > that

> > > > > much.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my

> > > karma,

> > > > > of

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not

> MS.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe

I

> > > would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > living

> > > > > > > > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis.

> I

> > > > > realize

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > physically things could change very quickly as

the

> > > nature

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > MS

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my

> > > diagnosis

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it

> has

> > > > > allowed

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never

> would

> > > have

> > > > > > > > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my

efforts

> > now

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical

body

> > > when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Charles

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at

> least

> > > look

> > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these

> > methods

> > > > can

> > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > lessen the impact.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > Neelay

> > > > > > > > >

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RRji,

 

That is amazing.

Life in three parts, animal, human and divine; like the three

trikonas.Each trikona complete in itself, almost independent of the

other trikonas. Giving a full set of nakshatra padas to complete all

action.

Embracing in them all facets of understood as well as mysterious part

of life.

If they connect together, great, if not, even then, life still

meaningful.

regards

rishi

 

 

 

 

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear brother (does that sound better in this evanescent reality?)

>

> Each and every single one of us, in my ant's view,

> holds three compartments within -- animal/human/divine.

>

> Neither of these three trimurtis are higher or lower --

> they are just dependent on each other.

>

> Their mutual existence and importance depends

> on the chain --- merely to operate smoothly!

>

> Assuming that void is where it ALL started --

> If Brahma never woke up!

> What shall Vishnu sustain?

> And, what shall remaqin for Shiva to destroy?

>

> Just so ...

> Brahma may awaken again ...

> and the cycle continue, conveniently!

> We make mistakes so that Gods, all three of them have a raison

d'etre!

>

> Ironic?

>

> No, just Human!!

>

>

>

> Arogantly yours

>

> Forever?? (well maybe 2010 onwards?);-)

>

>

>

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > All those "ji"s etc .

> > I enjoy babies and uncertainities and responsibilities.

> > I suppose human emotions being sold I can deal with somehow.

> > The next couple of years...they are but a part of a cycle, so

will

> > take them as they come; afterall time!

> > but those 'ji's...are scary!

> > regards

> > rishi

> >

> >

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rishi ji,

> > >

> > > What scares you?

> > >

> > > The baby (unknown/responsibility)

> > > Human emotions captive on TV (emotions must not be sold!)

> > > Upcoming couple of years (me too!)

> > >

> > > Good to hear your voice back here!

> > >

> > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Scares me!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Rishi ji ---

> > > > >

> > > > > Not just a human quest, Sir to give structure or impose

> > > > structure ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Females rats in the wild and in laboratories when they give

> > birth

> > > > are

> > > > > known to 'nest'. They create a soft and warm environment

for

> > > their

> > > > > forthcoming babies. Cats are known to do same or similar ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Almost all birds do the same and that is better known!

> > > > >

> > > > > Most humans too -- even in the superficial but *sweet*

> anyway -

> > -

> > > > TV

> > > > > commercials showing a very pregnant woman not quite sure

> about

> > > > their

> > > > > familial **preparedness** and her husband who stayed up all

> > night

> > > > to

> > > > > get the baby room all painted and done, primarily to please

> > his

> > > > > expectant wife and also hopefully -- his forthcoming child!

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > I suppose it is the eternal human quest to give a

structure

> > to

> > > > all

> > > > > > events and things around them. Logically and sequentially

> > > > increase

> > > > > > the knowledge and build up systems. Over milleniums some

> > > success

> > > > > has

> > > > > > been achieved and that is why you sit miles away and yet

we

> > can

> > > > > > communicate.

> > > > > > So far, perhaps, the healing process still remains a bit

of

> > a

> > > > > > mystery.

> > > > > > I agree totally that the healing reality is between the

> > healer

> > > > and

> > > > > > the one being healed.

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > rishi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Arjunbhai,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and

> > astute

> > > > > > member

> > > > > > > on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed

> my

> > > > having

> > > > > > > been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy

> and

> > > > long

> > > > > > > messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously

what

> I

> > > > wrote

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > tried to express -- given my physical and mental

> > > > limitations??)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I respond to the early and the last part of your

posting

> > > > > > > specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your

> > important

> > > > > > > messages.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother!

> > > > HEALING

> > > > > is

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > experience, neither less nor more! If it is not

> > experienced

> > > > > > directly

> > > > > > > and personally as a healer or one healed, it is

> > meaningless

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > rest!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anahata ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> , "panditarjun2004"

> > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear RR ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague

word

> > in

> > > > > itself

> > > > > > > > which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds

> of

> > > > > > treatments

> > > > > > > > or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers

at

> > a

> > > > heavy

> > > > > > > > price for the invisible light energy.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy

in

> > the

> > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned

> > dificult

> > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini

> > awakening

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > switching on the sleeping powerhouse.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > even today in the shaolin temple of china, some

secret

> > air

> > > > > > control

> > > > > > > > or concentration techniques are confined to few

masters

> > > > whereby

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > fighter can control the air so much so that the

> > particulr

> > > > part

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the body becomes as srong as stell because of this

air

> > > > control

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > concentration technique that strong solid bricks,

> stones

> > > and

> > > > > > > glasses

> > > > > > > > can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the

> > > strenght

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > the physical body but the invisible air and the

> > mindpower.

> > > > few

> > > > > > > > people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their

navel

> > and

> > > > > > breathe

> > > > > > > > in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area

through

> > > their

> > > > > > navel

> > > > > > > > (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in

> the

> > > > bowl

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl

separated

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > with full force, they fail.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is

> > > > concentrated

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > focused or channelised at a particular place so that

> the

> > > > place

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > filled with the energy that it needs and the problem

is

> > > > solved.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > however, some psychics and healers have started

> cheating

> > > the

> > > > > > > > gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls,

> > throwing

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > playing a football (wish the million dollar paid

> > > footballers

> > > > > > hire

> > > > > > > > some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of

> > goals

> > > in

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > single match!) type game with those invisible energy

> > balls

> > > > and

> > > > > > > shoot

> > > > > > > > those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles

> > > towards

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > person in another continent either to hit him hard

> > > (knockout

> > > > > > punch)

> > > > > > > > or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi

> > > matrix

> > > > > > movie

> > > > > > > > type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used

by

> > > these

> > > > > > > healers

> > > > > > > > to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual

> > > > reality.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three

> > categories

> > > > viz.

> > > > > > > > REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT

beings

> > > have

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is

> > something

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > makes an object looks like having life and the object

> in

> > > > fact

> > > > > > > > behaves like a living object but in reality it is

> > unreal.

> > > > > false

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > something which is a fake and known to all. recently

a

> > > > person

> > > > > > sold

> > > > > > > > a taiwanese smallest battery operated self

illuminating

> > > > tissue

> > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and

> is

> > > > behind

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is

> > > > > > believing).

> > > > > > > > you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the

> > > > reflection

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a

> > > > monster

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest

> > > liquors

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap

> parties,

> > > > these

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > false.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are

> followed

> > in

> > > > > > which a

> > > > > > > > kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal.

> most

> > > > charms

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > spells look like real in reality but they are unreal,

> > for

> > > > they

> > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put

> > some

> > > > > smoke

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after

> > sometime.

> > > > but

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > long as these things are FELT, it looks real and

> lasting.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the above are based on my limited knowledge and

others

> > may

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > different experiences based on their knowledge.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > , "crystal

> pages"

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear forum friends,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been

> > > obsessed

> > > > > > > > > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that

> > revelation

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > math degree that usually is required of the

> devotees!)

> > > and

> > > > > now

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and

all

> > > that

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70

> > dollars

> > > a

> > > > > > > > > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to

> another

> > > and

> > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops --

I

> > > mean

> > > > > > middle

> > > > > > > > > east).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative

> > state,

> > > a

> > > > > > vacuum

> > > > > > > > > into which some celestial energy must flow in and

> fill

> > > the

> > > > > > void

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the

> > pain

> > > > of a

> > > > > > > > dental

> > > > > > > > > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and

> > > > ignoring

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > brush

> > > > > > > > > afterwards?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and

> > all

> > > > those

> > > > > > > > tools

> > > > > > > > > for exploration type sites selling electronic

gizmos

> > and

> > > > > > > solutions

> > > > > > > > > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a

> > price!

> > > > Kind

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > the professional divinational scene including

karmic

> > > > remedies

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > ?energy? put to GOoD' use!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another

> > > > > > oversimplified

> > > > > > > > > concept, yet again based upon and confined to

> physical

> > > > realm

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > laws

> > > > > > > > > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO

> > ABOVE"

> > > > > rather

> > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement

(the

> > > > > reverse!).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Personal experiences often related in exalted

states

> > > > indicate

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being

> > > > followed

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > healing. Is it a direct experience or

transliteration

> > > into

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > realm

> > > > > > > > > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is

> > almost

> > > > like

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations

and

> > > down-

> > > > > > > > modulates

> > > > > > > > > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold

at

> > a

> > > > > > premium

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > some of the electro-spiritual department stores

> (named

> > > > above).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed

> > around

> > > > as

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-

label!).

> > How

> > > > > > > > entrenched

> > > > > > > > > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs

> even

> > > > when

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > > prance

> > > > > > > > > spiritual!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D

> > > reality

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > work

> > > > > > > > > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the

> entire

> > > > cosmic

> > > > > > > > reality

> > > > > > > > > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised

> > upon

> > > > the

> > > > > > > wooden

> > > > > > > > > springy diving board, about to plunge into the

> success

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > dive

> > > > > > > > > into a body of water promises in the next few

seconds!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The experience of that success, that healing is

> > neither

> > > > > > described

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air,

> > nor

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > contact

> > > > > > > > > with water -- oh so perfect!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Healing, as well, I think!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The planning and journey are essential but not the

> > same

> > > as

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > destination. That is what healing is!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , neelay

> > > > <neelay2006@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought

I

> > > > should

> > > > > > > > share.

> > > > > > > > > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC

> Primetime

> > > > about

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from

> > Canada

> > > > and

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > known

> > > > > > > > > to heal people through energy healing. What caught

my

> > > > > > attention

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing

> > > techique

> > > > > > seemed

> > > > > > > > > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he

> > > > describes

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > following in his website

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to

> > merge

> > > > the

> > > > > > auras

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > all participants with healing intentions. Then he

> uses

> > > > > > > holographic

> > > > > > > > > views to energetically affect through intention

those

> > > > > present.

> > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > full-day workshop contains two group treatments.

> > Adam's

> > > > > > workshops

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > participatory as through the use of visualizations

he

> > > > > empowers

> > > > > > > > > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He

> > will

> > > > share

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > insights on this topic and share his own healing

> > > abilities

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities

in

> > the

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > direction and gives you some basic tools for

> improving

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take

more

> > > > > > effective

> > > > > > > > > control of our immune system and healing abilities

> > > through

> > > > > > > > > intention"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets

> > people

> > > > for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > group treatment. Here is his website:

> > > > > > http://www.dreamhealer.com/

> > > > > > > > > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC

> > > yesterday

> > > > > > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?

> > > id=2179784&page=1

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Neelay

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Charles I really appreciate your

posting.

> > I

> > > > think

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > detail would

> > > > > > > > > > help the readers, astro community and patients

> > > > understand

> > > > > MS

> > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do

wish

> > you

> > > > all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the

> challenge

> > of

> > > > MS.

> > > > > > Let

> > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find

> > out

> > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is

> > prasannman@

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > , "charles_corbit"

> > > > > > > > > > <charles_corbit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided

> to

> > > > post a

> > > > > > bit

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For

> > > > reference,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for

> > > > feedback

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > events transpired relative to astrological

> > indicators.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST)

> > > > > > > > > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first

symptoms

> > > > > appeared

> > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go

> to

> > > the

> > > > > gym

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > work

> > > > > > > > > > > out to be more "marketable". I was

concentrating

> > on

> > > > > > strength

> > > > > > > > > > > building and really pushing myself. I started

to

> > get

> > > > > > > > lightheaded

> > > > > > > > > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes"

in

> > my

> > > > head.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative.

I

> > was

> > > > > told

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see

a

> > > > > > therapist.

> > > > > > > > For

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food

> > diet

> > > > and

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > keeping

> > > > > > > > > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit

working

> > out

> > > > so

> > > > > > > > > intently,

> > > > > > > > > > > the symptoms were mitigated.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a

variety

> > of

> > > > > > symptoms

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where

> > > > lightheaded

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > > > and a general feeling of just not

> feeling "right".

> > I

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > tested

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea,

> > sleep

> > > > > study

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my

normal

> > > > resting

> > > > > > > > heart

> > > > > > > > > > rate

> > > > > > > > > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my

heart

> > > goes

> > > > > > down

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > 35

> > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years

> > career

> > > > wise

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a

> > > > terrible

> > > > > > diet

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking

breath

> > with

> > > > > > large

> > > > > > > > > amounts

> > > > > > > > > > > of coffee.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were

> > > > detected,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > often

> > > > > > > > > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of

> looking

> > > > > through

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > tunnel,

> > > > > > > > > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing

some

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > data.

> > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test

> > always

> > > > came

> > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > > > and I do not even wear glasses.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness

was

> > > > getting

> > > > > > > worse

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially

in

> > the

> > > > heat

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and

I

> > > > failed,

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate

> > elevated.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus

> infection

> > > > after

> > > > > > > sinus

> > > > > > > > > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was

> > taking

> > > > OTC

> > > > > > pain

> > > > > > > > > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy

> > > > > medication.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so

I

> > > > cannot

> > > > > > > > correlate

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > any dasha sub periods, etc..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in

my

> > > > toes. I

> > > > > > > > thought

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to

> > get

> > > > > > numbness

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a

> > whole

> > > > in

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > chest.;

> > > > > > > > > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of

my

> > > > torso.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > doctors

> > > > > > > > > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally

> > through

> > > > the

> > > > > > MRIs,

> > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three

> > lesions

> > > > in

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > brain.

> > > > > > > > > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a

> > phone

> > > > > > number

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for

Rebif

> > > > > > (interferon)

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and

> > sent

> > > > me

> > > > > on

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > way.

> > > > > > > > > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives,

> > diet,

> > > > etc…

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for

about

> a

> > > > month

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > so. I

> > > > > > > > > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I

must

> > not

> > > > > > fight

> > > > > > > > this,

> > > > > > > > > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to

> beat

> > > > this,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it.

I

> > > > started

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > ardent

> > > > > > > > > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic

> > and

> > > > non-

> > > > > > > > > allopathic,

> > > > > > > > > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted

> very

> > > > well,

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > limited site reactions, but no major side

> effects.

> > I

> > > > read

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read

> > about

> > > > > > Ayurveda

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of

my

> > > > issues

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least

> hastened

> > it

> > > > > > along.

> > > > > > > > As I

> > > > > > > > > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk

> > factors

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > potential damage to my liver from the

interferon

> > was

> > > > not

> > > > > > > worth

> > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one

> who

> > > was

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree

> > > > completely,

> > > > > > but I

> > > > > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my

> > > health.

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > decided

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last

> > > annual

> > > > > MRI

> > > > > > > > showed

> > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back

> > > > negative!! I

> > > > > > > > decided

> > > > > > > > > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would

> > > > consider

> > > > > > > > starting

> > > > > > > > > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of

myself

> > > > dietwise

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in

stopping

> > the

> > > > > > > > progression.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a

> > year

> > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > seen real benefits during this time.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as

> detailed

> > by

> > > > Dr.

> > > > > > > > Swank,

> > > > > > > > > > >

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-

5635924?

> > > > ie=UTF8

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed

> by

> > a

> > > > > board

> > > > > > > > > > certified

> > > > > > > > > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies

> > which

> > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions.

> > > > > > > > > > >

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8-

> > > > > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-

5635924?

> > > > ie=UTF8

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine

basis

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do

> > > > struggle

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and

> > concentrate

> > > > on

> > > > > > whole

> > > > > > > > > > > organic foods.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic

lifestyle

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and

niyamas

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore.

I

> > do

> > > > not

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > sick

> > > > > > > > > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My

> > allergies

> > > > are

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > less.

> > > > > > > > > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness

> > and

> > > > > > tingling,

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a

> > bit

> > > > more

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother

me

> > > that

> > > > > > much.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of

my

> > > > karma,

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am

not

> > MS.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not

believe

> I

> > > > would

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > living

> > > > > > > > > > > the life I have had it not be for this

diagnosis.

> > I

> > > > > > realize

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > physically things could change very quickly as

> the

> > > > nature

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > MS

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my

> > > > diagnosis

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > broadened to include more than just this life;

it

> > has

> > > > > > allowed

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never

> > would

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my

> efforts

> > > now

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical

> body

> > > > when

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Charles

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at

> > least

> > > > look

> > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these

> > > methods

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > lessen the impact.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes

> > > > > > > > > > Neelay

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone

Calls

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > US

> > > > > > > > (and

> > > > > > > > > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

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