Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Dear forum friends, Over the last few decades we laypersons have been obsessed with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that revelation without the math degree that usually is required of the devotees!) and now it is commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all that is spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 dollars a barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another and goes up each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I mean middle east). Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative state, a vacuum into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill the void to ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the pain of a dental cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and ignoring to brush afterwards? On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and all those tools for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos and solutions for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a price! Kind of like the professional divinational scene including karmic remedies and ?energy? put to GOoD' use! I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another oversimplified concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical realm and laws and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO ABOVE" rather than the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the reverse!). Personal experiences often related in exalted states indicate some sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being followed by healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration into the realm that can be experienced or experientiable? It is almost like a transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and down-modulates those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at a premium at some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named above). The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed around as the indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). How entrenched we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even when we prance spiritual! Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D reality and work so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire cosmic reality to fit into a "framework" that worked so far. It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised upon the wooden springy diving board, about to plunge into the success that the dive into a body of water promises in the next few seconds! The experience of that success, that healing is neither described by the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, nor the contact with water -- oh so perfect! Healing, as well, I think!! The planning and journey are essential but not the same as the destination. That is what healing is! RR , neelay <neelay2006 wrote: > > Dear Charles and Prasnn: > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I should share. Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime about an energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from Canada and is known to heal people through energy healing. What caught my attention was that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing techique seemed like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he describes it as following in his website > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge the auras of all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses holographic views to energetically affect through intention those present. His full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam's workshops are participatory as through the use of visualizations he empowers individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will share his insights on this topic and share his own healing abilities with all attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the right direction and gives you some basic tools for improving and maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more effective control of our immune system and healing abilities through intention" > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets people for the group treatment. Here is his website: http://www.dreamhealer.com/ > An overview of the program they showed on ABC yesterday > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2179784&page=1 > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well. > > Regards, > Neelay > > prasannman <prasannman wrote: > Charles I really appreciate your posting. I think this detail would > help the readers, astro community and patients understand MS better > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish you all the very > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge of MS. Let us > keep discussing and extending this thread to find out better > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is prasannman > > , "charles_corbit" > <charles_corbit@> wrote: > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to post a bit more > > detailed background on my history with MS. For reference, I am > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for feedback on how > > events transpired relative to astrological indicators. > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST) > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20 > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms appeared around > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to the gym to work > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating on strength > > building and really pushing myself. I started to get lightheaded > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in my head. I went to > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was mentioned that it > could > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I was told that it > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a therapist. For > the > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food diet and not > keeping > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working out so intently, > > the symptoms were mitigated. > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety of symptoms that > > came and went. However, most symptoms where lightheaded in nature > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". I was tested for > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, sleep study and > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal resting heart > rate > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart goes down to 35 > at > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years career wise and it was > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a terrible diet and > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath with large amounts > > of coffee. > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were detected, I often > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking through a > tunnel, > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some of the data. It > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test always came up > negative > > and I do not even wear glasses. > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was getting worse and > I > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in the heat or after > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I failed, so they > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate elevated. > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection after sinus > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was taking OTC pain > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy medication. > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I cannot correlate > to > > any dasha sub periods, etc.. > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my toes. I thought > it > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to get numbness and > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a whole in my chest.; > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my torso. The doctors > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally through the MRIs, they > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three lesions in my brain. > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a phone number for a > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif (interferon) with > a > > video tape on how to give myself injections and sent me on my way. > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, diet, etc… > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a month or so. I > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must not fight this, > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat this, but I > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I started an ardent > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic and non- allopathic, > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very well, some > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. I read about > yoga > > and western research on low fat diets. I read about Ayurveda and > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my issues and > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened it along. As I > > started to make changes, I decided the risk factors and the > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon was not worth it. > I > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who was much more > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree completely, but I feel > > like she considers me a partner in managing my health. I decided to > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last annual MRI showed > no > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back negative!! I decided > > that if my condition would worsen that I would consider starting > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself dietwise and > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping the progression. > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a year period and > have > > seen real benefits during this time. > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed by Dr. Swank, > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8 > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by a board > certified > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies which indicate a > > beneficial impact on neurological functions. > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8 > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do struggle with this. > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and concentrate on whole > > organic foods. > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I do not get sick > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My allergies are much less. > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness and tingling, it is > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a bit more and I do > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me that much. I do > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my karma, of my > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not MS. > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I would be living > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. I realize that > > physically things could change very quickly as the nature of MS is > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my diagnosis has been > > broadened to include more than just this life; it has allowed me to > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never would have > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts now will allow > me > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body when the time > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom. > > > > Namaste, > > > > Charles > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at least look into the > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these methods can help > > lessen the impact. > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > Neelay > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 dear RR ji unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word in itself which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds of treatments or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at a heavy price for the invisible light energy. all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in the various energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned dificult yoga sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini awakening or switching on the sleeping powerhouse. even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret air control or concentration techniques are confined to few masters whereby a fighter can control the air so much so that the particulr part of the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air control or concentration technique that strong solid bricks, stones and glasses can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the strenght is not the physical body but the invisible air and the mindpower. few people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel and breathe in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through their navel (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in the bowl and even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated from the body with full force, they fail. similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is concentrated and focused or channelised at a particular place so that the place is filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is solved. however, some psychics and healers have started cheating the gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls, throwing or playing a football (wish the million dollar paid footballers hire some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of goals in a single match!) type game with those invisible energy balls and shoot those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles towards a person in another continent either to hit him hard (knockout punch) or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi matrix movie type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by these healers to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual reality. in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three categories viz. REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE. real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings have and this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is something which makes an object looks like having life and the object in fact behaves like a living object but in reality it is unreal. false is something which is a fake and known to all. recently a person sold a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating tissue as a nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and is behind the bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is believing). you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the reflection of sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a monster with 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest liquors and most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap parties, these are false. in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are followed in which a kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. most charms and spells look like real in reality but they are unreal, for they last only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put some smoke in a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after sometime. but as long as these things are FELT, it looks real and lasting. the above are based on my limited knowledge and others may have different experiences based on their knowledge. with best wishes pandit arjun , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear forum friends, > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been obsessed > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that revelation without the > math degree that usually is required of the devotees!) and now it is > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all that is > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 dollars a > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another and goes up > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I mean middle > east). > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative state, a vacuum > into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill the void to > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the pain of a dental > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and ignoring to brush > afterwards? > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and all those tools > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos and solutions > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a price! Kind of like > the professional divinational scene including karmic remedies and > ?energy? put to GOoD' use! > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another oversimplified > concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical realm and laws > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO ABOVE" rather than > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the reverse!). > > Personal experiences often related in exalted states indicate some > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being followed by > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration into the realm > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is almost like a > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and down- modulates > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at a premium at > some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named above). > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed around as the > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). How entrenched > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even when we prance > spiritual! > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D reality and work > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire cosmic reality > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far. > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised upon the wooden > springy diving board, about to plunge into the success that the dive > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds! > > The experience of that success, that healing is neither described by > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, nor the contact > with water -- oh so perfect! > > Healing, as well, I think!! > > The planning and journey are essential but not the same as the > destination. That is what healing is! > > RR > > > > > > > > > , neelay <neelay2006@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn: > > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I should share. > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime about an > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from Canada and is known > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my attention was > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing techique seemed > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he describes it as > following in his website > > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge the auras of > all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses holographic > views to energetically affect through intention those present. His > full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam's workshops are > participatory as through the use of visualizations he empowers > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will share his > insights on this topic and share his own healing abilities with all > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the right > direction and gives you some basic tools for improving and > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more effective > control of our immune system and healing abilities through > intention" > > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets people for the > group treatment. Here is his website: http://www.dreamhealer.com/ > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC yesterday > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2179784&page=1 > > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well. > > > > Regards, > > Neelay > > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote: > > Charles I really appreciate your posting. I think this > detail would > > help the readers, astro community and patients understand MS better > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish you all the very > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge of MS. Let us > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find out better > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is prasannman@ > > > > , "charles_corbit" > > <charles_corbit@> wrote: > > > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to post a bit > more > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For reference, I am > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for feedback on how > > > events transpired relative to astrological indicators. > > > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST) > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20 > > > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms appeared around > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to the gym to > work > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating on strength > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to get lightheaded > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in my head. I went > to > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was mentioned that it > > could > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I was told that > it > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a therapist. For > > the > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food diet and not > > keeping > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working out so > intently, > > > the symptoms were mitigated. > > > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety of symptoms > that > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where lightheaded in nature > > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". I was tested > for > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, sleep study and > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal resting heart > > rate > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart goes down to 35 > > at > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years career wise and it > was > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a terrible diet and > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath with large > amounts > > > of coffee. > > > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were detected, I often > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking through a > > tunnel, > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some of the data. It > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test always came up > > negative > > > and I do not even wear glasses. > > > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was getting worse > and > > I > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in the heat or > after > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I failed, so they > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate elevated. > > > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection after sinus > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was taking OTC pain > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy medication. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I cannot correlate > > to > > > any dasha sub periods, etc.. > > > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my toes. I thought > > it > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to get numbness and > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a whole in my > chest.; > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my torso. The > doctors > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally through the MRIs, > they > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three lesions in my > brain. > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a phone number for > a > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif (interferon) > with > > a > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and sent me on my > way. > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, diet, etc… > > > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a month or so. I > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must not fight this, > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat this, but I > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I started an > ardent > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic and non- > allopathic, > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very well, some > > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. I read about > > yoga > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read about Ayurveda and > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my issues and > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened it along. As I > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk factors and the > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon was not worth > it. > > I > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who was much more > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree completely, but I > feel > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my health. I decided > to > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last annual MRI showed > > no > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back negative!! I decided > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would consider starting > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself dietwise and > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping the progression. > > > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a year period and > > have > > > seen real benefits during this time. > > > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed by Dr. Swank, > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8 > > > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by a board > > certified > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies which indicate a > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions. > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8 > > > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis > > > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do struggle with this. > > > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and concentrate on whole > > > organic foods. > > > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle > > > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas > > > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I do not get sick > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My allergies are much > less. > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness and tingling, it > is > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a bit more and I do > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me that much. I do > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my karma, of my > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not MS. > > > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I would be > living > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. I realize that > > > physically things could change very quickly as the nature of MS > is > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my diagnosis has been > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it has allowed me > to > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never would have > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts now will allow > > me > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body when the time > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom. > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at least look into > the > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these methods can help > > > lessen the impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > Neelay > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Dear Arjunbhai, I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and astute member on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed my having been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy and long messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously what I wrote and tried to express -- given my physical and mental limitations??) I respond to the early and the last part of your posting specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your important messages. I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother! HEALING is an experience, neither less nor more! If it is not experienced directly and personally as a healer or one healed, it is meaningless to the rest! Anahata ... Love, RR , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear RR ji > > unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word in itself > which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds of treatments > or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at a heavy > price for the invisible light energy. > > all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in the various > energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned dificult yoga > sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini awakening or > switching on the sleeping powerhouse. > > even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret air control > or concentration techniques are confined to few masters whereby a > fighter can control the air so much so that the particulr part of > the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air control or > concentration technique that strong solid bricks, stones and glasses > can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the strenght is not > the physical body but the invisible air and the mindpower. few > people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel and breathe > in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through their navel > (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in the bowl and > even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated from the body > with full force, they fail. > > similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is concentrated and > focused or channelised at a particular place so that the place is > filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is solved. > > however, some psychics and healers have started cheating the > gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls, throwing or > playing a football (wish the million dollar paid footballers hire > some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of goals in a > single match!) type game with those invisible energy balls and shoot > those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles towards a > person in another continent either to hit him hard (knockout punch) > or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi matrix movie > type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by these healers > to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual reality. > > in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three categories viz. > REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE. > > real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings have and > this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is something which > makes an object looks like having life and the object in fact > behaves like a living object but in reality it is unreal. false is > something which is a fake and known to all. recently a person sold > a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating tissue as a > nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and is behind the > bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is believing). > you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the reflection of > sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a monster with > 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest liquors and > most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap parties, these are > false. > > in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are followed in which a > kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. most charms and > spells look like real in reality but they are unreal, for they last > only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put some smoke in > a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after sometime. but as > long as these things are FELT, it looks real and lasting. > > the above are based on my limited knowledge and others may have > different experiences based on their knowledge. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear forum friends, > > > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been obsessed > > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that revelation without > the > > math degree that usually is required of the devotees!) and now it > is > > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all that is > > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 dollars a > > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another and goes up > > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I mean middle > > east). > > > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative state, a vacuum > > into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill the void to > > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the pain of a > dental > > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and ignoring to > brush > > afterwards? > > > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and all those > tools > > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos and solutions > > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a price! Kind of > like > > the professional divinational scene including karmic remedies and > > ?energy? put to GOoD' use! > > > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another oversimplified > > concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical realm and > laws > > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO ABOVE" rather > than > > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the reverse!). > > > > Personal experiences often related in exalted states indicate some > > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being followed by > > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration into the > realm > > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is almost like a > > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and down- > modulates > > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at a premium at > > some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named above). > > > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed around as the > > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). How > entrenched > > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even when we > prance > > spiritual! > > > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D reality and > work > > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire cosmic > reality > > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far. > > > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised upon the wooden > > springy diving board, about to plunge into the success that the > dive > > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds! > > > > The experience of that success, that healing is neither described > by > > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, nor the > contact > > with water -- oh so perfect! > > > > Healing, as well, I think!! > > > > The planning and journey are essential but not the same as the > > destination. That is what healing is! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelay <neelay2006@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn: > > > > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I should > share. > > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime about an > > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from Canada and is > known > > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my attention > was > > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing techique seemed > > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he describes it > as > > following in his website > > > > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge the auras > of > > all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses holographic > > views to energetically affect through intention those present. His > > full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam's workshops > are > > participatory as through the use of visualizations he empowers > > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will share his > > insights on this topic and share his own healing abilities with > all > > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the right > > direction and gives you some basic tools for improving and > > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more effective > > control of our immune system and healing abilities through > > intention" > > > > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets people for the > > group treatment. Here is his website: http://www.dreamhealer.com/ > > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC yesterday > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2179784&page=1 > > > > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Neelay > > > > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote: > > > Charles I really appreciate your posting. I think this > > detail would > > > help the readers, astro community and patients understand MS > better > > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish you all the > very > > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge of MS. Let > us > > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find out better > > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is prasannman@ > > > > > > , "charles_corbit" > > > <charles_corbit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to post a bit > > more > > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For reference, I am > > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for feedback on > how > > > > events transpired relative to astrological indicators. > > > > > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST) > > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20 > > > > > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms appeared > around > > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to the gym to > > work > > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating on strength > > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to get > lightheaded > > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in my head. I > went > > to > > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was mentioned that it > > > could > > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I was told > that > > it > > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a therapist. > For > > > the > > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food diet and not > > > keeping > > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working out so > > intently, > > > > the symptoms were mitigated. > > > > > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety of symptoms > > that > > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where lightheaded in > nature > > > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". I was > tested > > for > > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, sleep study and > > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal resting > heart > > > rate > > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart goes down to > 35 > > > at > > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years career wise and > it > > was > > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a terrible diet > and > > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath with large > > amounts > > > > of coffee. > > > > > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were detected, I > often > > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking through a > > > tunnel, > > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some of the data. > It > > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test always came up > > > negative > > > > and I do not even wear glasses. > > > > > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was getting worse > > and > > > I > > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in the heat or > > after > > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I failed, so > they > > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate elevated. > > > > > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection after sinus > > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was taking OTC pain > > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy medication. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I cannot > correlate > > > to > > > > any dasha sub periods, etc.. > > > > > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my toes. I > thought > > > it > > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to get numbness > and > > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a whole in my > > chest.; > > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my torso. The > > doctors > > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally through the MRIs, > > they > > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three lesions in my > > brain. > > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a phone number > for > > a > > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif (interferon) > > with > > > a > > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and sent me on my > > way. > > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, diet, etc… > > > > > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a month or > so. I > > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must not fight > this, > > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat this, but I > > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I started an > > ardent > > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic and non- > > allopathic, > > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very well, some > > > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. I read > about > > > yoga > > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read about Ayurveda > and > > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my issues and > > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened it along. > As I > > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk factors and the > > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon was not worth > > it. > > > I > > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who was much > more > > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree completely, but I > > feel > > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my health. I > decided > > to > > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last annual MRI > showed > > > no > > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back negative!! I > decided > > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would consider > starting > > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself dietwise and > > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping the > progression. > > > > > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a year period > and > > > have > > > > seen real benefits during this time. > > > > > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed by Dr. > Swank, > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by a board > > > certified > > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies which indicate > a > > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions. > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis > > > > > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do struggle with > this. > > > > > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and concentrate on whole > > > > organic foods. > > > > > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle > > > > > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas > > > > > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I do not get > sick > > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My allergies are much > > less. > > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness and tingling, > it > > is > > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a bit more and I > do > > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me that much. I > do > > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my karma, of my > > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not MS. > > > > > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I would be > > living > > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. I realize > that > > > > physically things could change very quickly as the nature of > MS > > is > > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my diagnosis has > been > > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it has allowed > me > > to > > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never would have > > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts now will > allow > > > me > > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body when the > time > > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom. > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at least look into > > the > > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these methods can > help > > > > lessen the impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > Neelay > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US > (and > > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 RRji, I suppose it is the eternal human quest to give a structure to all events and things around them. Logically and sequentially increase the knowledge and build up systems. Over milleniums some success has been achieved and that is why you sit miles away and yet we can communicate. So far, perhaps, the healing process still remains a bit of a mystery. I agree totally that the healing reality is between the healer and the one being healed. regards rishi , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Arjunbhai, > > I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and astute member > on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed my having > been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy and long > messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously what I wrote and > tried to express -- given my physical and mental limitations??) > > I respond to the early and the last part of your posting > specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your important > messages. > > > I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother! HEALING is an > experience, neither less nor more! If it is not experienced directly > and personally as a healer or one healed, it is meaningless to the > rest! > > Anahata ... > > Love, > > RR > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear RR ji > > > > unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word in itself > > which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds of treatments > > or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at a heavy > > price for the invisible light energy. > > > > all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in the various > > energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned dificult yoga > > sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini awakening or > > switching on the sleeping powerhouse. > > > > even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret air control > > or concentration techniques are confined to few masters whereby a > > fighter can control the air so much so that the particulr part of > > the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air control or > > concentration technique that strong solid bricks, stones and > glasses > > can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the strenght is not > > the physical body but the invisible air and the mindpower. few > > people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel and breathe > > in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through their navel > > (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in the bowl and > > even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated from the > body > > with full force, they fail. > > > > similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is concentrated and > > focused or channelised at a particular place so that the place is > > filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is solved. > > > > however, some psychics and healers have started cheating the > > gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls, throwing or > > playing a football (wish the million dollar paid footballers hire > > some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of goals in a > > single match!) type game with those invisible energy balls and > shoot > > those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles towards a > > person in another continent either to hit him hard (knockout punch) > > or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi matrix movie > > type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by these > healers > > to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual reality. > > > > in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three categories viz. > > REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE. > > > > real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings have and > > this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is something which > > makes an object looks like having life and the object in fact > > behaves like a living object but in reality it is unreal. false is > > something which is a fake and known to all. recently a person sold > > a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating tissue as a > > nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and is behind the > > bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is believing). > > you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the reflection of > > sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a monster with > > 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest liquors and > > most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap parties, these are > > false. > > > > in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are followed in which a > > kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. most charms and > > spells look like real in reality but they are unreal, for they last > > only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put some smoke in > > a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after sometime. but as > > long as these things are FELT, it looks real and lasting. > > > > the above are based on my limited knowledge and others may have > > different experiences based on their knowledge. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear forum friends, > > > > > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been obsessed > > > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that revelation without > > the > > > math degree that usually is required of the devotees!) and now it > > is > > > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all that is > > > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 dollars a > > > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another and goes > up > > > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I mean middle > > > east). > > > > > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative state, a vacuum > > > into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill the void > to > > > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the pain of a > > dental > > > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and ignoring to > > brush > > > afterwards? > > > > > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and all those > > tools > > > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos and > solutions > > > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a price! Kind of > > like > > > the professional divinational scene including karmic remedies and > > > ?energy? put to GOoD' use! > > > > > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another oversimplified > > > concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical realm and > > laws > > > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO ABOVE" rather > > than > > > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the reverse!). > > > > > > Personal experiences often related in exalted states indicate > some > > > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being followed by > > > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration into the > > realm > > > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is almost like a > > > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and down- > > modulates > > > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at a premium > at > > > some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named above). > > > > > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed around as the > > > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). How > > entrenched > > > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even when we > > prance > > > spiritual! > > > > > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D reality and > > work > > > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire cosmic > > reality > > > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far. > > > > > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised upon the > wooden > > > springy diving board, about to plunge into the success that the > > dive > > > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds! > > > > > > The experience of that success, that healing is neither described > > by > > > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, nor the > > contact > > > with water -- oh so perfect! > > > > > > Healing, as well, I think!! > > > > > > The planning and journey are essential but not the same as the > > > destination. That is what healing is! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelay <neelay2006@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn: > > > > > > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I should > > share. > > > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime about an > > > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from Canada and is > > known > > > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my attention > > was > > > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing techique seemed > > > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he describes it > > as > > > following in his website > > > > > > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge the auras > > of > > > all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses > holographic > > > views to energetically affect through intention those present. > His > > > full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam's workshops > > are > > > participatory as through the use of visualizations he empowers > > > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will share his > > > insights on this topic and share his own healing abilities with > > all > > > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the right > > > direction and gives you some basic tools for improving and > > > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more effective > > > control of our immune system and healing abilities through > > > intention" > > > > > > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets people for the > > > group treatment. Here is his website: http://www.dreamhealer.com/ > > > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC yesterday > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2179784&page=1 > > > > > > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Neelay > > > > > > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote: > > > > Charles I really appreciate your posting. I think > this > > > detail would > > > > help the readers, astro community and patients understand MS > > better > > > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish you all the > > very > > > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge of MS. Let > > us > > > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find out better > > > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is prasannman@ > > > > > > > > , "charles_corbit" > > > > <charles_corbit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to post a bit > > > more > > > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For reference, I > am > > > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for feedback on > > how > > > > > events transpired relative to astrological indicators. > > > > > > > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST) > > > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20 > > > > > > > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms appeared > > around > > > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to the gym to > > > work > > > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating on strength > > > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to get > > lightheaded > > > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in my head. I > > went > > > to > > > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was mentioned that > it > > > > could > > > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I was told > > that > > > it > > > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a therapist. > > For > > > > the > > > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food diet and not > > > > keeping > > > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working out so > > > intently, > > > > > the symptoms were mitigated. > > > > > > > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety of symptoms > > > that > > > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where lightheaded in > > nature > > > > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". I was > > tested > > > for > > > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, sleep study > and > > > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal resting > > heart > > > > rate > > > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart goes down > to > > 35 > > > > at > > > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years career wise and > > it > > > was > > > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a terrible diet > > and > > > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath with large > > > amounts > > > > > of coffee. > > > > > > > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were detected, I > > often > > > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking through a > > > > tunnel, > > > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some of the > data. > > It > > > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test always came up > > > > negative > > > > > and I do not even wear glasses. > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was getting > worse > > > and > > > > I > > > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in the heat or > > > after > > > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I failed, so > > they > > > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate elevated. > > > > > > > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection after > sinus > > > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was taking OTC pain > > > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy medication. > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I cannot > > correlate > > > > to > > > > > any dasha sub periods, etc.. > > > > > > > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my toes. I > > thought > > > > it > > > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to get numbness > > and > > > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a whole in my > > > chest.; > > > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my torso. The > > > doctors > > > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally through the MRIs, > > > they > > > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three lesions in my > > > brain. > > > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a phone number > > for > > > a > > > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif (interferon) > > > with > > > > a > > > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and sent me on my > > > way. > > > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, diet, etc… > > > > > > > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a month or > > so. I > > > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must not fight > > this, > > > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat this, but > I > > > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I started an > > > ardent > > > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic and non- > > > allopathic, > > > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very well, some > > > > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. I read > > about > > > > yoga > > > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read about Ayurveda > > and > > > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my issues and > > > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened it along. > > As I > > > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk factors and the > > > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon was not > worth > > > it. > > > > I > > > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who was much > > more > > > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree completely, but I > > > feel > > > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my health. I > > decided > > > to > > > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last annual MRI > > showed > > > > no > > > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back negative!! I > > decided > > > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would consider > > starting > > > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself dietwise and > > > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping the > > progression. > > > > > > > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a year period > > and > > > > have > > > > > seen real benefits during this time. > > > > > > > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed by Dr. > > Swank, > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by a board > > > > certified > > > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies which indicate > > a > > > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions. > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis > > > > > > > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do struggle with > > this. > > > > > > > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and concentrate on whole > > > > > organic foods. > > > > > > > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle > > > > > > > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas > > > > > > > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I do not get > > sick > > > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My allergies are much > > > less. > > > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness and tingling, > > it > > > is > > > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a bit more and > I > > do > > > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me that much. > I > > do > > > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my karma, of > my > > > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not MS. > > > > > > > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I would be > > > living > > > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. I realize > > that > > > > > physically things could change very quickly as the nature of > > MS > > > is > > > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my diagnosis has > > been > > > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it has allowed > > me > > > to > > > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never would have > > > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts now will > > allow > > > > me > > > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body when the > > time > > > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at least look > into > > > the > > > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these methods can > > help > > > > > lessen the impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Neelay > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US > > (and > > > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Rishi ji --- Not just a human quest, Sir to give structure or impose structure ... Females rats in the wild and in laboratories when they give birth are known to 'nest'. They create a soft and warm environment for their forthcoming babies. Cats are known to do same or similar ... Almost all birds do the same and that is better known! Most humans too -- even in the superficial but *sweet* anyway -- TV commercials showing a very pregnant woman not quite sure about their familial **preparedness** and her husband who stayed up all night to get the baby room all painted and done, primarily to please his expectant wife and also hopefully -- his forthcoming child! .... , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > RRji, > I suppose it is the eternal human quest to give a structure to all > events and things around them. Logically and sequentially increase > the knowledge and build up systems. Over milleniums some success has > been achieved and that is why you sit miles away and yet we can > communicate. > So far, perhaps, the healing process still remains a bit of a > mystery. > I agree totally that the healing reality is between the healer and > the one being healed. > regards > rishi > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Arjunbhai, > > > > I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and astute > member > > on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed my having > > been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy and long > > messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously what I wrote > and > > tried to express -- given my physical and mental limitations??) > > > > I respond to the early and the last part of your posting > > specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your important > > messages. > > > > > > I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother! HEALING is > an > > experience, neither less nor more! If it is not experienced > directly > > and personally as a healer or one healed, it is meaningless to the > > rest! > > > > Anahata ... > > > > Love, > > > > RR > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear RR ji > > > > > > unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word in itself > > > which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds of > treatments > > > or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at a heavy > > > price for the invisible light energy. > > > > > > all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in the > various > > > energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned dificult yoga > > > sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini awakening or > > > switching on the sleeping powerhouse. > > > > > > even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret air > control > > > or concentration techniques are confined to few masters whereby > a > > > fighter can control the air so much so that the particulr part > of > > > the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air control > or > > > concentration technique that strong solid bricks, stones and > > glasses > > > can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the strenght is > not > > > the physical body but the invisible air and the mindpower. few > > > people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel and > breathe > > > in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through their > navel > > > (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in the bowl > and > > > even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated from the > > body > > > with full force, they fail. > > > > > > similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is concentrated > and > > > focused or channelised at a particular place so that the place > is > > > filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is solved. > > > > > > however, some psychics and healers have started cheating the > > > gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls, throwing or > > > playing a football (wish the million dollar paid footballers > hire > > > some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of goals in a > > > single match!) type game with those invisible energy balls and > > shoot > > > those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles towards a > > > person in another continent either to hit him hard (knockout > punch) > > > or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi matrix > movie > > > type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by these > > healers > > > to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual reality. > > > > > > in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three categories viz. > > > REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE. > > > > > > real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings have and > > > this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is something which > > > makes an object looks like having life and the object in fact > > > behaves like a living object but in reality it is unreal. false > is > > > something which is a fake and known to all. recently a person > sold > > > a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating tissue > as a > > > nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and is behind > the > > > bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is > believing). > > > you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the reflection > of > > > sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a monster > with > > > 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest liquors and > > > most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap parties, these > are > > > false. > > > > > > in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are followed in > which a > > > kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. most charms > and > > > spells look like real in reality but they are unreal, for they > last > > > only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put some smoke > in > > > a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after sometime. but > as > > > long as these things are FELT, it looks real and lasting. > > > > > > the above are based on my limited knowledge and others may have > > > different experiences based on their knowledge. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear forum friends, > > > > > > > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been obsessed > > > > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that revelation > without > > > the > > > > math degree that usually is required of the devotees!) and now > it > > > is > > > > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all that is > > > > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 dollars a > > > > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another and > goes > > up > > > > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I mean > middle > > > > east). > > > > > > > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative state, a > vacuum > > > > into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill the > void > > to > > > > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the pain of a > > > dental > > > > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and ignoring > to > > > brush > > > > afterwards? > > > > > > > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and all those > > > tools > > > > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos and > > solutions > > > > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a price! Kind > of > > > like > > > > the professional divinational scene including karmic remedies > and > > > > ?energy? put to GOoD' use! > > > > > > > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another > oversimplified > > > > concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical realm > and > > > laws > > > > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO ABOVE" rather > > > than > > > > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the reverse!). > > > > > > > > Personal experiences often related in exalted states indicate > > some > > > > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being followed > by > > > > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration into the > > > realm > > > > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is almost like a > > > > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and down- > > > modulates > > > > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at a > premium > > at > > > > some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named above). > > > > > > > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed around as > the > > > > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). How > > > entrenched > > > > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even when we > > > prance > > > > spiritual! > > > > > > > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D reality and > > > work > > > > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire cosmic > > > reality > > > > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far. > > > > > > > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised upon the > > wooden > > > > springy diving board, about to plunge into the success that > the > > > dive > > > > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds! > > > > > > > > The experience of that success, that healing is neither > described > > > by > > > > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, nor the > > > contact > > > > with water -- oh so perfect! > > > > > > > > Healing, as well, I think!! > > > > > > > > The planning and journey are essential but not the same as the > > > > destination. That is what healing is! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelay <neelay2006@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn: > > > > > > > > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I should > > > share. > > > > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime about > an > > > > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from Canada and > is > > > known > > > > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my > attention > > > was > > > > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing techique > seemed > > > > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he describes > it > > > as > > > > following in his website > > > > > > > > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge the > auras > > > of > > > > all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses > > holographic > > > > views to energetically affect through intention those present. > > His > > > > full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam's > workshops > > > are > > > > participatory as through the use of visualizations he empowers > > > > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will share > his > > > > insights on this topic and share his own healing abilities > with > > > all > > > > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the right > > > > direction and gives you some basic tools for improving and > > > > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more > effective > > > > control of our immune system and healing abilities through > > > > intention" > > > > > > > > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets people for > the > > > > group treatment. Here is his website: > http://www.dreamhealer.com/ > > > > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC yesterday > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2179784&page=1 > > > > > > > > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Neelay > > > > > > > > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote: > > > > > Charles I really appreciate your posting. I think > > this > > > > detail would > > > > > help the readers, astro community and patients understand MS > > > better > > > > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish you all > the > > > very > > > > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge of MS. > Let > > > us > > > > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find out better > > > > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is prasannman@ > > > > > > > > > > , "charles_corbit" > > > > > <charles_corbit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to post a > bit > > > > more > > > > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For reference, > I > > am > > > > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for feedback > on > > > how > > > > > > events transpired relative to astrological indicators. > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST) > > > > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20 > > > > > > > > > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms appeared > > > around > > > > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to the gym > to > > > > work > > > > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating on > strength > > > > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to get > > > lightheaded > > > > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in my head. > I > > > went > > > > to > > > > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was mentioned > that > > it > > > > > could > > > > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I was told > > > that > > > > it > > > > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a > therapist. > > > For > > > > > the > > > > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food diet and > not > > > > > keeping > > > > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working out so > > > > intently, > > > > > > the symptoms were mitigated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety of > symptoms > > > > that > > > > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where lightheaded in > > > nature > > > > > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". I was > > > tested > > > > for > > > > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, sleep study > > and > > > > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal resting > > > heart > > > > > rate > > > > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart goes > down > > to > > > 35 > > > > > at > > > > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years career wise > and > > > it > > > > was > > > > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a terrible > diet > > > and > > > > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath with > large > > > > amounts > > > > > > of coffee. > > > > > > > > > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were detected, > I > > > often > > > > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking through > a > > > > > tunnel, > > > > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some of the > > data. > > > It > > > > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test always came > up > > > > > negative > > > > > > and I do not even wear glasses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was getting > > worse > > > > and > > > > > I > > > > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in the heat > or > > > > after > > > > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I failed, > so > > > they > > > > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate elevated. > > > > > > > > > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection after > > sinus > > > > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was taking OTC > pain > > > > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy medication. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I cannot > > > correlate > > > > > to > > > > > > any dasha sub periods, etc.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my toes. I > > > thought > > > > > it > > > > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to get > numbness > > > and > > > > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a whole in > my > > > > chest.; > > > > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my torso. > The > > > > doctors > > > > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally through the > MRIs, > > > > they > > > > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three lesions in > my > > > > brain. > > > > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a phone > number > > > for > > > > a > > > > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif > (interferon) > > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and sent me on > my > > > > way. > > > > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, diet, etc… > > > > > > > > > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a month > or > > > so. I > > > > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must not > fight > > > this, > > > > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat this, > but > > I > > > > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I started > an > > > > ardent > > > > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic and non- > > > > allopathic, > > > > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very well, > some > > > > > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. I read > > > about > > > > > yoga > > > > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read about > Ayurveda > > > and > > > > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my issues > and > > > > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened it > along. > > > As I > > > > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk factors and > the > > > > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon was not > > worth > > > > it. > > > > > I > > > > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who was > much > > > more > > > > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree completely, > but I > > > > feel > > > > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my health. I > > > decided > > > > to > > > > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last annual MRI > > > showed > > > > > no > > > > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back negative!! I > > > decided > > > > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would consider > > > starting > > > > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself dietwise > and > > > > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping the > > > progression. > > > > > > > > > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a year > period > > > and > > > > > have > > > > > > seen real benefits during this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed by Dr. > > > Swank, > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by a board > > > > > certified > > > > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies which > indicate > > > a > > > > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions. > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924?ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do struggle > with > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and concentrate on > whole > > > > > > organic foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle > > > > > > > > > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I do not > get > > > sick > > > > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My allergies are > much > > > > less. > > > > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness and > tingling, > > > it > > > > is > > > > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a bit more > and > > I > > > do > > > > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me that > much. > > I > > > do > > > > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my karma, > of > > my > > > > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not MS. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I would > be > > > > living > > > > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. I > realize > > > that > > > > > > physically things could change very quickly as the nature > of > > > MS > > > > is > > > > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my diagnosis > has > > > been > > > > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it has > allowed > > > me > > > > to > > > > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never would have > > > > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts now > will > > > allow > > > > > me > > > > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body when > the > > > time > > > > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at least look > > into > > > > the > > > > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these methods can > > > help > > > > > > lessen the impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > Neelay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. 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Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Scares me! , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Rishi ji --- > > Not just a human quest, Sir to give structure or impose structure ... > > Females rats in the wild and in laboratories when they give birth are > known to 'nest'. They create a soft and warm environment for their > forthcoming babies. Cats are known to do same or similar ... > > Almost all birds do the same and that is better known! > > Most humans too -- even in the superficial but *sweet* anyway -- TV > commercials showing a very pregnant woman not quite sure about their > familial **preparedness** and her husband who stayed up all night to > get the baby room all painted and done, primarily to please his > expectant wife and also hopefully -- his forthcoming child! > > ... > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > RRji, > > I suppose it is the eternal human quest to give a structure to all > > events and things around them. Logically and sequentially increase > > the knowledge and build up systems. Over milleniums some success > has > > been achieved and that is why you sit miles away and yet we can > > communicate. > > So far, perhaps, the healing process still remains a bit of a > > mystery. > > I agree totally that the healing reality is between the healer and > > the one being healed. > > regards > > rishi > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Arjunbhai, > > > > > > I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and astute > > member > > > on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed my having > > > been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy and long > > > messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously what I wrote > > and > > > tried to express -- given my physical and mental limitations??) > > > > > > I respond to the early and the last part of your posting > > > specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your important > > > messages. > > > > > > > > > I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother! HEALING > is > > an > > > experience, neither less nor more! If it is not experienced > > directly > > > and personally as a healer or one healed, it is meaningless to > the > > > rest! > > > > > > Anahata ... > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear RR ji > > > > > > > > unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word in > itself > > > > which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds of > > treatments > > > > or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at a heavy > > > > price for the invisible light energy. > > > > > > > > all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in the > > various > > > > energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned dificult yoga > > > > sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini awakening or > > > > switching on the sleeping powerhouse. > > > > > > > > even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret air > > control > > > > or concentration techniques are confined to few masters whereby > > a > > > > fighter can control the air so much so that the particulr part > > of > > > > the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air control > > or > > > > concentration technique that strong solid bricks, stones and > > > glasses > > > > can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the strenght is > > not > > > > the physical body but the invisible air and the mindpower. few > > > > people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel and > > breathe > > > > in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through their > > navel > > > > (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in the bowl > > and > > > > even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated from the > > > body > > > > with full force, they fail. > > > > > > > > similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is concentrated > > and > > > > focused or channelised at a particular place so that the place > > is > > > > filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is solved. > > > > > > > > however, some psychics and healers have started cheating the > > > > gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls, throwing or > > > > playing a football (wish the million dollar paid footballers > > hire > > > > some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of goals in a > > > > single match!) type game with those invisible energy balls and > > > shoot > > > > those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles towards a > > > > person in another continent either to hit him hard (knockout > > punch) > > > > or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi matrix > > movie > > > > type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by these > > > healers > > > > to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual reality. > > > > > > > > in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three categories viz. > > > > REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE. > > > > > > > > real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings have > and > > > > this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is something which > > > > makes an object looks like having life and the object in fact > > > > behaves like a living object but in reality it is unreal. > false > > is > > > > something which is a fake and known to all. recently a person > > sold > > > > a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating tissue > > as a > > > > nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and is behind > > the > > > > bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is > > believing). > > > > you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the reflection > > of > > > > sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a monster > > with > > > > 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest liquors > and > > > > most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap parties, these > > are > > > > false. > > > > > > > > in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are followed in > > which a > > > > kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. most charms > > and > > > > spells look like real in reality but they are unreal, for they > > last > > > > only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put some > smoke > > in > > > > a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after sometime. but > > as > > > > long as these things are FELT, it looks real and lasting. > > > > > > > > the above are based on my limited knowledge and others may have > > > > different experiences based on their knowledge. > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > pandit arjun > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear forum friends, > > > > > > > > > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been obsessed > > > > > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that revelation > > without > > > > the > > > > > math degree that usually is required of the devotees!) and > now > > it > > > > is > > > > > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all that is > > > > > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 dollars a > > > > > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another and > > goes > > > up > > > > > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I mean > > middle > > > > > east). > > > > > > > > > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative state, a > > vacuum > > > > > into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill the > > void > > > to > > > > > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the pain of a > > > > dental > > > > > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and ignoring > > to > > > > brush > > > > > afterwards? > > > > > > > > > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and all those > > > > tools > > > > > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos and > > > solutions > > > > > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a price! Kind > > of > > > > like > > > > > the professional divinational scene including karmic remedies > > and > > > > > ?energy? put to GOoD' use! > > > > > > > > > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another > > oversimplified > > > > > concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical realm > > and > > > > laws > > > > > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO ABOVE" > rather > > > > than > > > > > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the > reverse!). > > > > > > > > > > Personal experiences often related in exalted states indicate > > > some > > > > > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being followed > > by > > > > > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration into > the > > > > realm > > > > > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is almost like > a > > > > > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and down- > > > > modulates > > > > > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at a > > premium > > > at > > > > > some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named above). > > > > > > > > > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed around as > > the > > > > > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). How > > > > entrenched > > > > > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even when > we > > > > prance > > > > > spiritual! > > > > > > > > > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D reality > and > > > > work > > > > > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire cosmic > > > > reality > > > > > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far. > > > > > > > > > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised upon the > > > wooden > > > > > springy diving board, about to plunge into the success that > > the > > > > dive > > > > > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds! > > > > > > > > > > The experience of that success, that healing is neither > > described > > > > by > > > > > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, nor the > > > > contact > > > > > with water -- oh so perfect! > > > > > > > > > > Healing, as well, I think!! > > > > > > > > > > The planning and journey are essential but not the same as > the > > > > > destination. That is what healing is! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelay <neelay2006@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I should > > > > share. > > > > > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime about > > an > > > > > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from Canada and > > is > > > > known > > > > > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my > > attention > > > > was > > > > > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing techique > > seemed > > > > > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he describes > > it > > > > as > > > > > following in his website > > > > > > > > > > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge the > > auras > > > > of > > > > > all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses > > > holographic > > > > > views to energetically affect through intention those > present. > > > His > > > > > full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam's > > workshops > > > > are > > > > > participatory as through the use of visualizations he > empowers > > > > > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will share > > his > > > > > insights on this topic and share his own healing abilities > > with > > > > all > > > > > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the > right > > > > > direction and gives you some basic tools for improving and > > > > > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more > > effective > > > > > control of our immune system and healing abilities through > > > > > intention" > > > > > > > > > > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets people for > > the > > > > > group treatment. Here is his website: > > http://www.dreamhealer.com/ > > > > > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC yesterday > > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2179784&page=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Neelay > > > > > > > > > > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote: > > > > > > Charles I really appreciate your posting. I think > > > this > > > > > detail would > > > > > > help the readers, astro community and patients understand > MS > > > > better > > > > > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish you all > > the > > > > very > > > > > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge of MS. > > Let > > > > us > > > > > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find out > better > > > > > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is prasannman@ > > > > > > > > > > > > , "charles_corbit" > > > > > > <charles_corbit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to post a > > bit > > > > > more > > > > > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For reference, > > I > > > am > > > > > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for feedback > > on > > > > how > > > > > > > events transpired relative to astrological indicators. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST) > > > > > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms > appeared > > > > around > > > > > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to the > gym > > to > > > > > work > > > > > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating on > > strength > > > > > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to get > > > > lightheaded > > > > > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in my head. > > I > > > > went > > > > > to > > > > > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was mentioned > > that > > > it > > > > > > could > > > > > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I was > told > > > > that > > > > > it > > > > > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a > > therapist. > > > > For > > > > > > the > > > > > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food diet and > > not > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working out so > > > > > intently, > > > > > > > the symptoms were mitigated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety of > > symptoms > > > > > that > > > > > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where lightheaded > in > > > > nature > > > > > > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". I was > > > > tested > > > > > for > > > > > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, sleep > study > > > and > > > > > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal resting > > > > heart > > > > > > rate > > > > > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart goes > > down > > > to > > > > 35 > > > > > > at > > > > > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years career wise > > and > > > > it > > > > > was > > > > > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a terrible > > diet > > > > and > > > > > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath with > > large > > > > > amounts > > > > > > > of coffee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were detected, > > I > > > > often > > > > > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking > through > > a > > > > > > tunnel, > > > > > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some of the > > > data. > > > > It > > > > > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test always came > > up > > > > > > negative > > > > > > > and I do not even wear glasses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was getting > > > worse > > > > > and > > > > > > I > > > > > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in the heat > > or > > > > > after > > > > > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I failed, > > so > > > > they > > > > > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate elevated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection after > > > sinus > > > > > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was taking OTC > > pain > > > > > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy > medication. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I cannot > > > > correlate > > > > > > to > > > > > > > any dasha sub periods, etc.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my toes. I > > > > thought > > > > > > it > > > > > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to get > > numbness > > > > and > > > > > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a whole in > > my > > > > > chest.; > > > > > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my torso. > > The > > > > > doctors > > > > > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally through the > > MRIs, > > > > > they > > > > > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three lesions in > > my > > > > > brain. > > > > > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a phone > > number > > > > for > > > > > a > > > > > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif > > (interferon) > > > > > with > > > > > > a > > > > > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and sent me > on > > my > > > > > way. > > > > > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, diet, etc… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a month > > or > > > > so. I > > > > > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must not > > fight > > > > this, > > > > > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat this, > > but > > > I > > > > > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I started > > an > > > > > ardent > > > > > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic and non- > > > > > allopathic, > > > > > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very well, > > some > > > > > > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. I read > > > > about > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read about > > Ayurveda > > > > and > > > > > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my issues > > and > > > > > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened it > > along. > > > > As I > > > > > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk factors and > > the > > > > > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon was not > > > worth > > > > > it. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who was > > much > > > > more > > > > > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree completely, > > but I > > > > > feel > > > > > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my health. I > > > > decided > > > > > to > > > > > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last annual > MRI > > > > showed > > > > > > no > > > > > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back negative!! I > > > > decided > > > > > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would consider > > > > starting > > > > > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself dietwise > > and > > > > > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping the > > > > progression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a year > > period > > > > and > > > > > > have > > > > > > > seen real benefits during this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed by Dr. > > > > Swank, > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924? ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by a > board > > > > > > certified > > > > > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies which > > indicate > > > > a > > > > > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions. > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924? ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do struggle > > with > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and concentrate on > > whole > > > > > > > organic foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I do not > > get > > > > sick > > > > > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My allergies are > > much > > > > > less. > > > > > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness and > > tingling, > > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a bit more > > and > > > I > > > > do > > > > > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me that > > much. > > > I > > > > do > > > > > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my karma, > > of > > > my > > > > > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not MS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I would > > be > > > > > living > > > > > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. I > > realize > > > > that > > > > > > > physically things could change very quickly as the nature > > of > > > > MS > > > > > is > > > > > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my diagnosis > > has > > > > been > > > > > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it has > > allowed > > > > me > > > > > to > > > > > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never would have > > > > > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts now > > will > > > > allow > > > > > > me > > > > > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body when > > the > > > > time > > > > > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at least look > > > into > > > > > the > > > > > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these methods > can > > > > help > > > > > > > lessen the impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > Neelay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the > > US > > > > (and > > > > > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Rishi ji, What scares you? The baby (unknown/responsibility) Human emotions captive on TV (emotions must not be sold!) Upcoming couple of years (me too!) Good to hear your voice back here! , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Scares me! > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Rishi ji --- > > > > Not just a human quest, Sir to give structure or impose > structure ... > > > > Females rats in the wild and in laboratories when they give birth > are > > known to 'nest'. They create a soft and warm environment for their > > forthcoming babies. Cats are known to do same or similar ... > > > > Almost all birds do the same and that is better known! > > > > Most humans too -- even in the superficial but *sweet* anyway -- > TV > > commercials showing a very pregnant woman not quite sure about > their > > familial **preparedness** and her husband who stayed up all night > to > > get the baby room all painted and done, primarily to please his > > expectant wife and also hopefully -- his forthcoming child! > > > > ... > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > RRji, > > > I suppose it is the eternal human quest to give a structure to > all > > > events and things around them. Logically and sequentially > increase > > > the knowledge and build up systems. Over milleniums some success > > has > > > been achieved and that is why you sit miles away and yet we can > > > communicate. > > > So far, perhaps, the healing process still remains a bit of a > > > mystery. > > > I agree totally that the healing reality is between the healer > and > > > the one being healed. > > > regards > > > rishi > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Arjunbhai, > > > > > > > > I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and astute > > > member > > > > on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed my > having > > > > been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy and > long > > > > messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously what I > wrote > > > and > > > > tried to express -- given my physical and mental > limitations??) > > > > > > > > I respond to the early and the last part of your posting > > > > specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your important > > > > messages. > > > > > > > > > > > > I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother! > HEALING > > is > > > an > > > > experience, neither less nor more! If it is not experienced > > > directly > > > > and personally as a healer or one healed, it is meaningless to > > the > > > > rest! > > > > > > > > Anahata ... > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear RR ji > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word in > > itself > > > > > which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds of > > > treatments > > > > > or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at a > heavy > > > > > price for the invisible light energy. > > > > > > > > > > all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in the > > > various > > > > > energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned dificult > yoga > > > > > sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini awakening > or > > > > > switching on the sleeping powerhouse. > > > > > > > > > > even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret air > > > control > > > > > or concentration techniques are confined to few masters > whereby > > > a > > > > > fighter can control the air so much so that the particulr > part > > > of > > > > > the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air > control > > > or > > > > > concentration technique that strong solid bricks, stones and > > > > glasses > > > > > can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the strenght > is > > > not > > > > > the physical body but the invisible air and the mindpower. > few > > > > > people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel and > > > breathe > > > > > in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through their > > > navel > > > > > (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in the > bowl > > > and > > > > > even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated from > the > > > > body > > > > > with full force, they fail. > > > > > > > > > > similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is > concentrated > > > and > > > > > focused or channelised at a particular place so that the > place > > > is > > > > > filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is > solved. > > > > > > > > > > however, some psychics and healers have started cheating the > > > > > gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls, throwing > or > > > > > playing a football (wish the million dollar paid footballers > > > hire > > > > > some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of goals in > a > > > > > single match!) type game with those invisible energy balls > and > > > > shoot > > > > > those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles towards > a > > > > > person in another continent either to hit him hard (knockout > > > punch) > > > > > or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi matrix > > > movie > > > > > type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by these > > > > healers > > > > > to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual > reality. > > > > > > > > > > in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three categories > viz. > > > > > REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE. > > > > > > > > > > real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings have > > and > > > > > this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is something > which > > > > > makes an object looks like having life and the object in > fact > > > > > behaves like a living object but in reality it is unreal. > > false > > > is > > > > > something which is a fake and known to all. recently a > person > > > sold > > > > > a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating > tissue > > > as a > > > > > nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and is > behind > > > the > > > > > bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is > > > believing). > > > > > you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the > reflection > > > of > > > > > sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a > monster > > > with > > > > > 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest liquors > > and > > > > > most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap parties, > these > > > are > > > > > false. > > > > > > > > > > in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are followed in > > > which a > > > > > kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. most > charms > > > and > > > > > spells look like real in reality but they are unreal, for > they > > > last > > > > > only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put some > > smoke > > > in > > > > > a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after sometime. > but > > > as > > > > > long as these things are FELT, it looks real and lasting. > > > > > > > > > > the above are based on my limited knowledge and others may > have > > > > > different experiences based on their knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear forum friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been obsessed > > > > > > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that revelation > > > without > > > > > the > > > > > > math degree that usually is required of the devotees!) and > > now > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all that > is > > > > > > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 dollars a > > > > > > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another and > > > goes > > > > up > > > > > > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I mean > > > middle > > > > > > east). > > > > > > > > > > > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative state, a > > > vacuum > > > > > > into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill the > > > void > > > > to > > > > > > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the pain > of a > > > > > dental > > > > > > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and > ignoring > > > to > > > > > brush > > > > > > afterwards? > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and all > those > > > > > tools > > > > > > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos and > > > > solutions > > > > > > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a price! > Kind > > > of > > > > > like > > > > > > the professional divinational scene including karmic > remedies > > > and > > > > > > ?energy? put to GOoD' use! > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another > > > oversimplified > > > > > > concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical > realm > > > and > > > > > laws > > > > > > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO ABOVE" > > rather > > > > > than > > > > > > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the > > reverse!). > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal experiences often related in exalted states > indicate > > > > some > > > > > > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being > followed > > > by > > > > > > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration into > > the > > > > > realm > > > > > > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is almost > like > > a > > > > > > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and down- > > > > > modulates > > > > > > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at a > > > premium > > > > at > > > > > > some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named > above). > > > > > > > > > > > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed around > as > > > the > > > > > > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). How > > > > > entrenched > > > > > > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even > when > > we > > > > > prance > > > > > > spiritual! > > > > > > > > > > > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D reality > > and > > > > > work > > > > > > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire > cosmic > > > > > reality > > > > > > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised upon > the > > > > wooden > > > > > > springy diving board, about to plunge into the success > that > > > the > > > > > dive > > > > > > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds! > > > > > > > > > > > > The experience of that success, that healing is neither > > > described > > > > > by > > > > > > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, nor > the > > > > > contact > > > > > > with water -- oh so perfect! > > > > > > > > > > > > Healing, as well, I think!! > > > > > > > > > > > > The planning and journey are essential but not the same as > > the > > > > > > destination. That is what healing is! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelay > <neelay2006@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I > should > > > > > share. > > > > > > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime > about > > > an > > > > > > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from Canada > and > > > is > > > > > known > > > > > > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my > > > attention > > > > > was > > > > > > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing techique > > > seemed > > > > > > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he > describes > > > it > > > > > as > > > > > > following in his website > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge > the > > > auras > > > > > of > > > > > > all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses > > > > holographic > > > > > > views to energetically affect through intention those > > present. > > > > His > > > > > > full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam's > > > workshops > > > > > are > > > > > > participatory as through the use of visualizations he > > empowers > > > > > > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will > share > > > his > > > > > > insights on this topic and share his own healing abilities > > > with > > > > > all > > > > > > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the > > right > > > > > > direction and gives you some basic tools for improving and > > > > > > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more > > > effective > > > > > > control of our immune system and healing abilities through > > > > > > intention" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets people > for > > > the > > > > > > group treatment. Here is his website: > > > http://www.dreamhealer.com/ > > > > > > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC yesterday > > > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story? id=2179784&page=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Neelay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote: > > > > > > > Charles I really appreciate your posting. I > think > > > > this > > > > > > detail would > > > > > > > help the readers, astro community and patients > understand > > MS > > > > > better > > > > > > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish you > all > > > the > > > > > very > > > > > > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge of > MS. > > > Let > > > > > us > > > > > > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find out > > better > > > > > > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is prasannman@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "charles_corbit" > > > > > > > <charles_corbit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to > post a > > > bit > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For > reference, > > > I > > > > am > > > > > > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for > feedback > > > on > > > > > how > > > > > > > > events transpired relative to astrological indicators. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST) > > > > > > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms > > appeared > > > > > around > > > > > > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to the > > gym > > > to > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating on > > > strength > > > > > > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to get > > > > > lightheaded > > > > > > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in my > head. > > > I > > > > > went > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was mentioned > > > that > > > > it > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I was > > told > > > > > that > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a > > > therapist. > > > > > For > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food diet > and > > > not > > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working out > so > > > > > > intently, > > > > > > > > the symptoms were mitigated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety of > > > symptoms > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where > lightheaded > > in > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". I > was > > > > > tested > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, sleep > > study > > > > and > > > > > > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal > resting > > > > > heart > > > > > > > rate > > > > > > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart goes > > > down > > > > to > > > > > 35 > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years career > wise > > > and > > > > > it > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a > terrible > > > diet > > > > > and > > > > > > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath with > > > large > > > > > > amounts > > > > > > > > of coffee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were > detected, > > > I > > > > > often > > > > > > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking > > through > > > a > > > > > > > tunnel, > > > > > > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some of > the > > > > data. > > > > > It > > > > > > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test always > came > > > up > > > > > > > negative > > > > > > > > and I do not even wear glasses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was > getting > > > > worse > > > > > > and > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in the > heat > > > or > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I > failed, > > > so > > > > > they > > > > > > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate elevated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection > after > > > > sinus > > > > > > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was taking > OTC > > > pain > > > > > > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy > > medication. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I > cannot > > > > > correlate > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > any dasha sub periods, etc.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my > toes. I > > > > > thought > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to get > > > numbness > > > > > and > > > > > > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a whole > in > > > my > > > > > > chest.; > > > > > > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my > torso. > > > The > > > > > > doctors > > > > > > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally through > the > > > MRIs, > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three lesions > in > > > my > > > > > > brain. > > > > > > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a phone > > > number > > > > > for > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif > > > (interferon) > > > > > > with > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and sent > me > > on > > > my > > > > > > way. > > > > > > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, diet, > etc… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a > month > > > or > > > > > so. I > > > > > > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must not > > > fight > > > > > this, > > > > > > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat > this, > > > but > > > > I > > > > > > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I > started > > > an > > > > > > ardent > > > > > > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic and > non- > > > > > > allopathic, > > > > > > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very > well, > > > some > > > > > > > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. I > read > > > > > about > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read about > > > Ayurveda > > > > > and > > > > > > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my > issues > > > and > > > > > > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened it > > > along. > > > > > As I > > > > > > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk factors > and > > > the > > > > > > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon was > not > > > > worth > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who was > > > much > > > > > more > > > > > > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree > completely, > > > but I > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my health. > I > > > > > decided > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last annual > > MRI > > > > > showed > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back > negative!! I > > > > > decided > > > > > > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would > consider > > > > > starting > > > > > > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself > dietwise > > > and > > > > > > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping the > > > > > progression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a year > > > period > > > > > and > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > seen real benefits during this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed by > Dr. > > > > > Swank, > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924? > ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by a > > board > > > > > > > certified > > > > > > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies which > > > indicate > > > > > a > > > > > > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions. > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924? > ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do > struggle > > > with > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and concentrate > on > > > whole > > > > > > > > organic foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I do > not > > > get > > > > > sick > > > > > > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My allergies > are > > > much > > > > > > less. > > > > > > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness and > > > tingling, > > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a bit > more > > > and > > > > I > > > > > do > > > > > > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me that > > > much. > > > > I > > > > > do > > > > > > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my > karma, > > > of > > > > my > > > > > > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not MS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I > would > > > be > > > > > > living > > > > > > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. I > > > realize > > > > > that > > > > > > > > physically things could change very quickly as the > nature > > > of > > > > > MS > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my > diagnosis > > > has > > > > > been > > > > > > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it has > > > allowed > > > > > me > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never would > have > > > > > > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts now > > > will > > > > > allow > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body > when > > > the > > > > > time > > > > > > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at least > look > > > > into > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these methods > > can > > > > > help > > > > > > > > lessen the impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > > Neelay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to > the > > > US > > > > > (and > > > > > > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 All those "ji"s etc . I enjoy babies and uncertainities and responsibilities. I suppose human emotions being sold I can deal with somehow. The next couple of years...they are but a part of a cycle, so will take them as they come; afterall time! but those 'ji's...are scary! regards rishi , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Rishi ji, > > What scares you? > > The baby (unknown/responsibility) > Human emotions captive on TV (emotions must not be sold!) > Upcoming couple of years (me too!) > > Good to hear your voice back here! > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Scares me! > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Rishi ji --- > > > > > > Not just a human quest, Sir to give structure or impose > > structure ... > > > > > > Females rats in the wild and in laboratories when they give birth > > are > > > known to 'nest'. They create a soft and warm environment for > their > > > forthcoming babies. Cats are known to do same or similar ... > > > > > > Almost all birds do the same and that is better known! > > > > > > Most humans too -- even in the superficial but *sweet* anyway - - > > TV > > > commercials showing a very pregnant woman not quite sure about > > their > > > familial **preparedness** and her husband who stayed up all night > > to > > > get the baby room all painted and done, primarily to please his > > > expectant wife and also hopefully -- his forthcoming child! > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > RRji, > > > > I suppose it is the eternal human quest to give a structure to > > all > > > > events and things around them. Logically and sequentially > > increase > > > > the knowledge and build up systems. Over milleniums some > success > > > has > > > > been achieved and that is why you sit miles away and yet we can > > > > communicate. > > > > So far, perhaps, the healing process still remains a bit of a > > > > mystery. > > > > I agree totally that the healing reality is between the healer > > and > > > > the one being healed. > > > > regards > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjunbhai, > > > > > > > > > > I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and astute > > > > member > > > > > on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed my > > having > > > > > been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy and > > long > > > > > messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously what I > > wrote > > > > and > > > > > tried to express -- given my physical and mental > > limitations??) > > > > > > > > > > I respond to the early and the last part of your posting > > > > > specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your important > > > > > messages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother! > > HEALING > > > is > > > > an > > > > > experience, neither less nor more! If it is not experienced > > > > directly > > > > > and personally as a healer or one healed, it is meaningless > to > > > the > > > > > rest! > > > > > > > > > > Anahata ... > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear RR ji > > > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word in > > > itself > > > > > > which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds of > > > > treatments > > > > > > or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at a > > heavy > > > > > > price for the invisible light energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in the > > > > various > > > > > > energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned dificult > > yoga > > > > > > sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini awakening > > or > > > > > > switching on the sleeping powerhouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret air > > > > control > > > > > > or concentration techniques are confined to few masters > > whereby > > > > a > > > > > > fighter can control the air so much so that the particulr > > part > > > > of > > > > > > the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air > > control > > > > or > > > > > > concentration technique that strong solid bricks, stones > and > > > > > glasses > > > > > > can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the > strenght > > is > > > > not > > > > > > the physical body but the invisible air and the mindpower. > > few > > > > > > people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel and > > > > breathe > > > > > > in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through > their > > > > navel > > > > > > (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in the > > bowl > > > > and > > > > > > even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated from > > the > > > > > body > > > > > > with full force, they fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is > > concentrated > > > > and > > > > > > focused or channelised at a particular place so that the > > place > > > > is > > > > > > filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is > > solved. > > > > > > > > > > > > however, some psychics and healers have started cheating > the > > > > > > gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls, throwing > > or > > > > > > playing a football (wish the million dollar paid > footballers > > > > hire > > > > > > some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of goals > in > > a > > > > > > single match!) type game with those invisible energy balls > > and > > > > > shoot > > > > > > those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles > towards > > a > > > > > > person in another continent either to hit him hard > (knockout > > > > punch) > > > > > > or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi > matrix > > > > movie > > > > > > type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by > these > > > > > healers > > > > > > to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual > > reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three categories > > viz. > > > > > > REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings > have > > > and > > > > > > this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is something > > which > > > > > > makes an object looks like having life and the object in > > fact > > > > > > behaves like a living object but in reality it is unreal. > > > false > > > > is > > > > > > something which is a fake and known to all. recently a > > person > > > > sold > > > > > > a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating > > tissue > > > > as a > > > > > > nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and is > > behind > > > > the > > > > > > bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is > > > > believing). > > > > > > you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the > > reflection > > > > of > > > > > > sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a > > monster > > > > with > > > > > > 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest > liquors > > > and > > > > > > most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap parties, > > these > > > > are > > > > > > false. > > > > > > > > > > > > in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are followed in > > > > which a > > > > > > kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. most > > charms > > > > and > > > > > > spells look like real in reality but they are unreal, for > > they > > > > last > > > > > > only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put some > > > smoke > > > > in > > > > > > a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after sometime. > > but > > > > as > > > > > > long as these things are FELT, it looks real and lasting. > > > > > > > > > > > > the above are based on my limited knowledge and others may > > have > > > > > > different experiences based on their knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear forum friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been > obsessed > > > > > > > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that revelation > > > > without > > > > > > the > > > > > > > math degree that usually is required of the devotees!) > and > > > now > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all > that > > is > > > > > > > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 dollars > a > > > > > > > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another > and > > > > goes > > > > > up > > > > > > > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I > mean > > > > middle > > > > > > > east). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative state, > a > > > > vacuum > > > > > > > into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill > the > > > > void > > > > > to > > > > > > > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the pain > > of a > > > > > > dental > > > > > > > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and > > ignoring > > > > to > > > > > > brush > > > > > > > afterwards? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and all > > those > > > > > > tools > > > > > > > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos and > > > > > solutions > > > > > > > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a price! > > Kind > > > > of > > > > > > like > > > > > > > the professional divinational scene including karmic > > remedies > > > > and > > > > > > > ?energy? put to GOoD' use! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another > > > > oversimplified > > > > > > > concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical > > realm > > > > and > > > > > > laws > > > > > > > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO ABOVE" > > > rather > > > > > > than > > > > > > > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the > > > reverse!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal experiences often related in exalted states > > indicate > > > > > some > > > > > > > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being > > followed > > > > by > > > > > > > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration > into > > > the > > > > > > realm > > > > > > > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is almost > > like > > > a > > > > > > > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and > down- > > > > > > modulates > > > > > > > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at a > > > > premium > > > > > at > > > > > > > some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named > > above). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed around > > as > > > > the > > > > > > > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). How > > > > > > entrenched > > > > > > > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even > > when > > > we > > > > > > prance > > > > > > > spiritual! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D > reality > > > and > > > > > > work > > > > > > > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire > > cosmic > > > > > > reality > > > > > > > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised upon > > the > > > > > wooden > > > > > > > springy diving board, about to plunge into the success > > that > > > > the > > > > > > dive > > > > > > > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The experience of that success, that healing is neither > > > > described > > > > > > by > > > > > > > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, nor > > the > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > with water -- oh so perfect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Healing, as well, I think!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planning and journey are essential but not the same > as > > > the > > > > > > > destination. That is what healing is! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelay > > <neelay2006@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I > > should > > > > > > share. > > > > > > > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime > > about > > > > an > > > > > > > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from Canada > > and > > > > is > > > > > > known > > > > > > > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my > > > > attention > > > > > > was > > > > > > > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing > techique > > > > seemed > > > > > > > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he > > describes > > > > it > > > > > > as > > > > > > > following in his website > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge > > the > > > > auras > > > > > > of > > > > > > > all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses > > > > > holographic > > > > > > > views to energetically affect through intention those > > > present. > > > > > His > > > > > > > full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam's > > > > workshops > > > > > > are > > > > > > > participatory as through the use of visualizations he > > > empowers > > > > > > > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will > > share > > > > his > > > > > > > insights on this topic and share his own healing > abilities > > > > with > > > > > > all > > > > > > > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the > > > right > > > > > > > direction and gives you some basic tools for improving > and > > > > > > > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more > > > > effective > > > > > > > control of our immune system and healing abilities > through > > > > > > > intention" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets people > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > group treatment. Here is his website: > > > > http://www.dreamhealer.com/ > > > > > > > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC > yesterday > > > > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story? > id=2179784&page=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Neelay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Charles I really appreciate your posting. I > > think > > > > > this > > > > > > > detail would > > > > > > > > help the readers, astro community and patients > > understand > > > MS > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish you > > all > > > > the > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge of > > MS. > > > > Let > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find out > > > better > > > > > > > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is prasannman@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "charles_corbit" > > > > > > > > <charles_corbit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to > > post a > > > > bit > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For > > reference, > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for > > feedback > > > > on > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > events transpired relative to astrological indicators. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST) > > > > > > > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms > > > appeared > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to > the > > > gym > > > > to > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating on > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to get > > > > > > lightheaded > > > > > > > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in my > > head. > > > > I > > > > > > went > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was > mentioned > > > > that > > > > > it > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I was > > > told > > > > > > that > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a > > > > therapist. > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food diet > > and > > > > not > > > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working out > > so > > > > > > > intently, > > > > > > > > > the symptoms were mitigated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety of > > > > symptoms > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where > > lightheaded > > > in > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". I > > was > > > > > > tested > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, sleep > > > study > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal > > resting > > > > > > heart > > > > > > > > rate > > > > > > > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart > goes > > > > down > > > > > to > > > > > > 35 > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years career > > wise > > > > and > > > > > > it > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a > > terrible > > > > diet > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath with > > > > large > > > > > > > amounts > > > > > > > > > of coffee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were > > detected, > > > > I > > > > > > often > > > > > > > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking > > > through > > > > a > > > > > > > > tunnel, > > > > > > > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some of > > the > > > > > data. > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test always > > came > > > > up > > > > > > > > negative > > > > > > > > > and I do not even wear glasses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was > > getting > > > > > worse > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in the > > heat > > > > or > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I > > failed, > > > > so > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate elevated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection > > after > > > > > sinus > > > > > > > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was taking > > OTC > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy > > > medication. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I > > cannot > > > > > > correlate > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > any dasha sub periods, etc.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my > > toes. I > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to get > > > > numbness > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a whole > > in > > > > my > > > > > > > chest.; > > > > > > > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my > > torso. > > > > The > > > > > > > doctors > > > > > > > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally through > > the > > > > MRIs, > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three lesions > > in > > > > my > > > > > > > brain. > > > > > > > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a phone > > > > number > > > > > > for > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif > > > > (interferon) > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and sent > > me > > > on > > > > my > > > > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, diet, > > etc… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a > > month > > > > or > > > > > > so. I > > > > > > > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must not > > > > fight > > > > > > this, > > > > > > > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat > > this, > > > > but > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I > > started > > > > an > > > > > > > ardent > > > > > > > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic and > > non- > > > > > > > allopathic, > > > > > > > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very > > well, > > > > some > > > > > > > > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. I > > read > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read about > > > > Ayurveda > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my > > issues > > > > and > > > > > > > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened it > > > > along. > > > > > > As I > > > > > > > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk factors > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon was > > not > > > > > worth > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who > was > > > > much > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree > > completely, > > > > but I > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my > health. > > I > > > > > > decided > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last > annual > > > MRI > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back > > negative!! I > > > > > > decided > > > > > > > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would > > consider > > > > > > starting > > > > > > > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself > > dietwise > > > > and > > > > > > > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping the > > > > > > progression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a year > > > > period > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > seen real benefits during this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed by > > Dr. > > > > > > Swank, > > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924? > > ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by a > > > board > > > > > > > > certified > > > > > > > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies which > > > > indicate > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions. > > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924? > > ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do > > struggle > > > > with > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and concentrate > > on > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > organic foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I do > > not > > > > get > > > > > > sick > > > > > > > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My allergies > > are > > > > much > > > > > > > less. > > > > > > > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness and > > > > tingling, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a bit > > more > > > > and > > > > > I > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me > that > > > > much. > > > > > I > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my > > karma, > > > > of > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not MS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I > > would > > > > be > > > > > > > living > > > > > > > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. I > > > > realize > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > physically things could change very quickly as the > > nature > > > > of > > > > > > MS > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my > > diagnosis > > > > has > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it has > > > > allowed > > > > > > me > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never would > > have > > > > > > > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts > now > > > > will > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body > > when > > > > the > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at least > > look > > > > > into > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these > methods > > > can > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > lessen the impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > > > Neelay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. 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Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Dear brother (does that sound better in this evanescent reality?) Each and every single one of us, in my ant's view, holds three compartments within -- animal/human/divine. Neither of these three trimurtis are higher or lower -- they are just dependent on each other. Their mutual existence and importance depends on the chain --- merely to operate smoothly! Assuming that void is where it ALL started -- If Brahma never woke up! What shall Vishnu sustain? And, what shall remaqin for Shiva to destroy? Just so ... Brahma may awaken again ... and the cycle continue, conveniently! We make mistakes so that Gods, all three of them have a raison d'etre! Ironic? No, just Human!! Arogantly yours Forever?? (well maybe 2010 onwards?);-) , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > All those "ji"s etc . > I enjoy babies and uncertainities and responsibilities. > I suppose human emotions being sold I can deal with somehow. > The next couple of years...they are but a part of a cycle, so will > take them as they come; afterall time! > but those 'ji's...are scary! > regards > rishi > > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Rishi ji, > > > > What scares you? > > > > The baby (unknown/responsibility) > > Human emotions captive on TV (emotions must not be sold!) > > Upcoming couple of years (me too!) > > > > Good to hear your voice back here! > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Scares me! > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rishi ji --- > > > > > > > > Not just a human quest, Sir to give structure or impose > > > structure ... > > > > > > > > Females rats in the wild and in laboratories when they give > birth > > > are > > > > known to 'nest'. They create a soft and warm environment for > > their > > > > forthcoming babies. Cats are known to do same or similar ... > > > > > > > > Almost all birds do the same and that is better known! > > > > > > > > Most humans too -- even in the superficial but *sweet* anyway - > - > > > TV > > > > commercials showing a very pregnant woman not quite sure about > > > their > > > > familial **preparedness** and her husband who stayed up all > night > > > to > > > > get the baby room all painted and done, primarily to please > his > > > > expectant wife and also hopefully -- his forthcoming child! > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > RRji, > > > > > I suppose it is the eternal human quest to give a structure > to > > > all > > > > > events and things around them. Logically and sequentially > > > increase > > > > > the knowledge and build up systems. Over milleniums some > > success > > > > has > > > > > been achieved and that is why you sit miles away and yet we > can > > > > > communicate. > > > > > So far, perhaps, the healing process still remains a bit of > a > > > > > mystery. > > > > > I agree totally that the healing reality is between the > healer > > > and > > > > > the one being healed. > > > > > regards > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjunbhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and > astute > > > > > member > > > > > > on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed my > > > having > > > > > > been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy and > > > long > > > > > > messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously what I > > > wrote > > > > > and > > > > > > tried to express -- given my physical and mental > > > limitations??) > > > > > > > > > > > > I respond to the early and the last part of your posting > > > > > > specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your > important > > > > > > messages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother! > > > HEALING > > > > is > > > > > an > > > > > > experience, neither less nor more! If it is not > experienced > > > > > directly > > > > > > and personally as a healer or one healed, it is > meaningless > > to > > > > the > > > > > > rest! > > > > > > > > > > > > Anahata ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear RR ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word > in > > > > itself > > > > > > > which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds of > > > > > treatments > > > > > > > or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at > a > > > heavy > > > > > > > price for the invisible light energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in > the > > > > > various > > > > > > > energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned > dificult > > > yoga > > > > > > > sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini > awakening > > > or > > > > > > > switching on the sleeping powerhouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret > air > > > > > control > > > > > > > or concentration techniques are confined to few masters > > > whereby > > > > > a > > > > > > > fighter can control the air so much so that the > particulr > > > part > > > > > of > > > > > > > the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air > > > control > > > > > or > > > > > > > concentration technique that strong solid bricks, stones > > and > > > > > > glasses > > > > > > > can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the > > strenght > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > > the physical body but the invisible air and the > mindpower. > > > few > > > > > > > people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel > and > > > > > breathe > > > > > > > in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through > > their > > > > > navel > > > > > > > (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in the > > > bowl > > > > > and > > > > > > > even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated > from > > > the > > > > > > body > > > > > > > with full force, they fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is > > > concentrated > > > > > and > > > > > > > focused or channelised at a particular place so that the > > > place > > > > > is > > > > > > > filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is > > > solved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > however, some psychics and healers have started cheating > > the > > > > > > > gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls, > throwing > > > or > > > > > > > playing a football (wish the million dollar paid > > footballers > > > > > hire > > > > > > > some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of > goals > > in > > > a > > > > > > > single match!) type game with those invisible energy > balls > > > and > > > > > > shoot > > > > > > > those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles > > towards > > > a > > > > > > > person in another continent either to hit him hard > > (knockout > > > > > punch) > > > > > > > or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi > > matrix > > > > > movie > > > > > > > type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by > > these > > > > > > healers > > > > > > > to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual > > > reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three > categories > > > viz. > > > > > > > REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings > > have > > > > and > > > > > > > this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is > something > > > which > > > > > > > makes an object looks like having life and the object in > > > fact > > > > > > > behaves like a living object but in reality it is > unreal. > > > > false > > > > > is > > > > > > > something which is a fake and known to all. recently a > > > person > > > > > sold > > > > > > > a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating > > > tissue > > > > > as a > > > > > > > nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and is > > > behind > > > > > the > > > > > > > bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is > > > > > believing). > > > > > > > you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the > > > reflection > > > > > of > > > > > > > sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a > > > monster > > > > > with > > > > > > > 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest > > liquors > > > > and > > > > > > > most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap parties, > > > these > > > > > are > > > > > > > false. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are followed > in > > > > > which a > > > > > > > kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. most > > > charms > > > > > and > > > > > > > spells look like real in reality but they are unreal, > for > > > they > > > > > last > > > > > > > only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put > some > > > > smoke > > > > > in > > > > > > > a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after > sometime. > > > but > > > > > as > > > > > > > long as these things are FELT, it looks real and lasting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the above are based on my limited knowledge and others > may > > > have > > > > > > > different experiences based on their knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear forum friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been > > obsessed > > > > > > > > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that > revelation > > > > > without > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > math degree that usually is required of the devotees!) > > and > > > > now > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all > > that > > > is > > > > > > > > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 > dollars > > a > > > > > > > > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to another > > and > > > > > goes > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I > > mean > > > > > middle > > > > > > > > east). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative > state, > > a > > > > > vacuum > > > > > > > > into which some celestial energy must flow in and fill > > the > > > > > void > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the > pain > > > of a > > > > > > > dental > > > > > > > > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and > > > ignoring > > > > > to > > > > > > > brush > > > > > > > > afterwards? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and > all > > > those > > > > > > > tools > > > > > > > > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos > and > > > > > > solutions > > > > > > > > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a > price! > > > Kind > > > > > of > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > the professional divinational scene including karmic > > > remedies > > > > > and > > > > > > > > ?energy? put to GOoD' use! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another > > > > > oversimplified > > > > > > > > concept, yet again based upon and confined to physical > > > realm > > > > > and > > > > > > > laws > > > > > > > > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO > ABOVE" > > > > rather > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the > > > > reverse!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal experiences often related in exalted states > > > indicate > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being > > > followed > > > > > by > > > > > > > > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration > > into > > > > the > > > > > > > realm > > > > > > > > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is > almost > > > like > > > > a > > > > > > > > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and > > down- > > > > > > > modulates > > > > > > > > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at > a > > > > > premium > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > some of the electro-spiritual department stores (named > > > above). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed > around > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > > > indicator of spiritual success (another mis-label!). > How > > > > > > > entrenched > > > > > > > > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs even > > > when > > > > we > > > > > > > prance > > > > > > > > spiritual! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D > > reality > > > > and > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the entire > > > cosmic > > > > > > > reality > > > > > > > > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised > upon > > > the > > > > > > wooden > > > > > > > > springy diving board, about to plunge into the success > > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > > dive > > > > > > > > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The experience of that success, that healing is > neither > > > > > described > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, > nor > > > the > > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > with water -- oh so perfect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Healing, as well, I think!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planning and journey are essential but not the > same > > as > > > > the > > > > > > > > destination. That is what healing is! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelay > > > <neelay2006@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I > > > should > > > > > > > share. > > > > > > > > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC Primetime > > > about > > > > > an > > > > > > > > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from > Canada > > > and > > > > > is > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my > > > > > attention > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing > > techique > > > > > seemed > > > > > > > > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he > > > describes > > > > > it > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > following in his website > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to > merge > > > the > > > > > auras > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses > > > > > > holographic > > > > > > > > views to energetically affect through intention those > > > > present. > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > full-day workshop contains two group treatments. > Adam's > > > > > workshops > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > participatory as through the use of visualizations he > > > > empowers > > > > > > > > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He > will > > > share > > > > > his > > > > > > > > insights on this topic and share his own healing > > abilities > > > > > with > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in > the > > > > right > > > > > > > > direction and gives you some basic tools for improving > > and > > > > > > > > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more > > > > > effective > > > > > > > > control of our immune system and healing abilities > > through > > > > > > > > intention" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets > people > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > group treatment. Here is his website: > > > > > http://www.dreamhealer.com/ > > > > > > > > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC > > yesterday > > > > > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story? > > id=2179784&page=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Neelay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Charles I really appreciate your posting. > I > > > think > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > detail would > > > > > > > > > help the readers, astro community and patients > > > understand > > > > MS > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish > you > > > all > > > > > the > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the challenge > of > > > MS. > > > > > Let > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find > out > > > > better > > > > > > > > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is > prasannman@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "charles_corbit" > > > > > > > > > <charles_corbit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided to > > > post a > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For > > > reference, > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for > > > feedback > > > > > on > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > events transpired relative to astrological > indicators. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST) > > > > > > > > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms > > > > appeared > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go to > > the > > > > gym > > > > > to > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating > on > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to > get > > > > > > > lightheaded > > > > > > > > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in > my > > > head. > > > > > I > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was > > mentioned > > > > > that > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I > was > > > > told > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a > > > > > therapist. > > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food > diet > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working > out > > > so > > > > > > > > intently, > > > > > > > > > > the symptoms were mitigated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety > of > > > > > symptoms > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where > > > lightheaded > > > > in > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > and a general feeling of just not feeling "right". > I > > > was > > > > > > > tested > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, > sleep > > > > study > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal > > > resting > > > > > > > heart > > > > > > > > > rate > > > > > > > > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart > > goes > > > > > down > > > > > > to > > > > > > > 35 > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years > career > > > wise > > > > > and > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a > > > terrible > > > > > diet > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath > with > > > > > large > > > > > > > > amounts > > > > > > > > > > of coffee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were > > > detected, > > > > > I > > > > > > > often > > > > > > > > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of looking > > > > through > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > tunnel, > > > > > > > > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some > of > > > the > > > > > > data. > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test > always > > > came > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > negative > > > > > > > > > > and I do not even wear glasses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was > > > getting > > > > > > worse > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in > the > > > heat > > > > > or > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I > > > failed, > > > > > so > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate > elevated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus infection > > > after > > > > > > sinus > > > > > > > > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was > taking > > > OTC > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy > > > > medication. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I > > > cannot > > > > > > > correlate > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > any dasha sub periods, etc.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my > > > toes. I > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to > get > > > > > numbness > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a > whole > > > in > > > > > my > > > > > > > > chest.; > > > > > > > > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my > > > torso. > > > > > The > > > > > > > > doctors > > > > > > > > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally > through > > > the > > > > > MRIs, > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three > lesions > > > in > > > > > my > > > > > > > > brain. > > > > > > > > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a > phone > > > > > number > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif > > > > > (interferon) > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and > sent > > > me > > > > on > > > > > my > > > > > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, > diet, > > > etc… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about a > > > month > > > > > or > > > > > > > so. I > > > > > > > > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must > not > > > > > fight > > > > > > > this, > > > > > > > > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to beat > > > this, > > > > > but > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I > > > started > > > > > an > > > > > > > > ardent > > > > > > > > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic > and > > > non- > > > > > > > > allopathic, > > > > > > > > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted very > > > well, > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > limited site reactions, but no major side effects. > I > > > read > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read > about > > > > > Ayurveda > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my > > > issues > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least hastened > it > > > > > along. > > > > > > > As I > > > > > > > > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk > factors > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon > was > > > not > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one who > > was > > > > > much > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree > > > completely, > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my > > health. > > > I > > > > > > > decided > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last > > annual > > > > MRI > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back > > > negative!! I > > > > > > > decided > > > > > > > > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would > > > consider > > > > > > > starting > > > > > > > > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself > > > dietwise > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping > the > > > > > > > progression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a > year > > > > > period > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > seen real benefits during this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as detailed > by > > > Dr. > > > > > > > Swank, > > > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924? > > > ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed by > a > > > > board > > > > > > > > > certified > > > > > > > > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies > which > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947-5635924? > > > ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do > > > struggle > > > > > with > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and > concentrate > > > on > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > organic foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I > do > > > not > > > > > get > > > > > > > sick > > > > > > > > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My > allergies > > > are > > > > > much > > > > > > > > less. > > > > > > > > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness > and > > > > > tingling, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a > bit > > > more > > > > > and > > > > > > I > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me > > that > > > > > much. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my > > > karma, > > > > > of > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not > MS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe I > > > would > > > > > be > > > > > > > > living > > > > > > > > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. > I > > > > > realize > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > physically things could change very quickly as the > > > nature > > > > > of > > > > > > > MS > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my > > > diagnosis > > > > > has > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it > has > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never > would > > > have > > > > > > > > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my efforts > > now > > > > > will > > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical body > > > when > > > > > the > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at > least > > > look > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these > > methods > > > > can > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > lessen the impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > > > > Neelay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. 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Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 RRji, That is amazing. Life in three parts, animal, human and divine; like the three trikonas.Each trikona complete in itself, almost independent of the other trikonas. Giving a full set of nakshatra padas to complete all action. Embracing in them all facets of understood as well as mysterious part of life. If they connect together, great, if not, even then, life still meaningful. regards rishi , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear brother (does that sound better in this evanescent reality?) > > Each and every single one of us, in my ant's view, > holds three compartments within -- animal/human/divine. > > Neither of these three trimurtis are higher or lower -- > they are just dependent on each other. > > Their mutual existence and importance depends > on the chain --- merely to operate smoothly! > > Assuming that void is where it ALL started -- > If Brahma never woke up! > What shall Vishnu sustain? > And, what shall remaqin for Shiva to destroy? > > Just so ... > Brahma may awaken again ... > and the cycle continue, conveniently! > We make mistakes so that Gods, all three of them have a raison d'etre! > > Ironic? > > No, just Human!! > > > > Arogantly yours > > Forever?? (well maybe 2010 onwards?);-) > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > All those "ji"s etc . > > I enjoy babies and uncertainities and responsibilities. > > I suppose human emotions being sold I can deal with somehow. > > The next couple of years...they are but a part of a cycle, so will > > take them as they come; afterall time! > > but those 'ji's...are scary! > > regards > > rishi > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Rishi ji, > > > > > > What scares you? > > > > > > The baby (unknown/responsibility) > > > Human emotions captive on TV (emotions must not be sold!) > > > Upcoming couple of years (me too!) > > > > > > Good to hear your voice back here! > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Scares me! > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rishi ji --- > > > > > > > > > > Not just a human quest, Sir to give structure or impose > > > > structure ... > > > > > > > > > > Females rats in the wild and in laboratories when they give > > birth > > > > are > > > > > known to 'nest'. They create a soft and warm environment for > > > their > > > > > forthcoming babies. Cats are known to do same or similar ... > > > > > > > > > > Almost all birds do the same and that is better known! > > > > > > > > > > Most humans too -- even in the superficial but *sweet* > anyway - > > - > > > > TV > > > > > commercials showing a very pregnant woman not quite sure > about > > > > their > > > > > familial **preparedness** and her husband who stayed up all > > night > > > > to > > > > > get the baby room all painted and done, primarily to please > > his > > > > > expectant wife and also hopefully -- his forthcoming child! > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > RRji, > > > > > > I suppose it is the eternal human quest to give a structure > > to > > > > all > > > > > > events and things around them. Logically and sequentially > > > > increase > > > > > > the knowledge and build up systems. Over milleniums some > > > success > > > > > has > > > > > > been achieved and that is why you sit miles away and yet we > > can > > > > > > communicate. > > > > > > So far, perhaps, the healing process still remains a bit of > > a > > > > > > mystery. > > > > > > I agree totally that the healing reality is between the > > healer > > > > and > > > > > > the one being healed. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "crystal pages" > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjunbhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will keep my missive short, since as an old time and > > astute > > > > > > member > > > > > > > on this forum of exchange you could not but have missed > my > > > > having > > > > > > > been attacked viciously and repetitively for too wordy > and > > > > long > > > > > > > messages (did the accusers even read semi-seriously what > I > > > > wrote > > > > > > and > > > > > > > tried to express -- given my physical and mental > > > > limitations??) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I respond to the early and the last part of your posting > > > > > > > specifically! I did read and understood ALL of your > > important > > > > > > > messages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I repeat what I wrote in my last missive, dear brother! > > > > HEALING > > > > > is > > > > > > an > > > > > > > experience, neither less nor more! If it is not > > experienced > > > > > > directly > > > > > > > and personally as a healer or one healed, it is > > meaningless > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > rest! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anahata ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear RR ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately, as on date healing is a very vague word > > in > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > which is liberally prefixed and suffixed to all kinds > of > > > > > > treatments > > > > > > > > or expereinces a practitioner gives to his customers at > > a > > > > heavy > > > > > > > > price for the invisible light energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all yoga books have laid down how the subtle energy in > > the > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > energy centre (chakras) lie dormant and mentioned > > dificult > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > sadhanas to awaken the same labelled as kundalini > > awakening > > > > or > > > > > > > > switching on the sleeping powerhouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even today in the shaolin temple of china, some secret > > air > > > > > > control > > > > > > > > or concentration techniques are confined to few masters > > > > whereby > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > fighter can control the air so much so that the > > particulr > > > > part > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the body becomes as srong as stell because of this air > > > > control > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > concentration technique that strong solid bricks, > stones > > > and > > > > > > > glasses > > > > > > > > can be broken or cannot harm that person. here the > > > strenght > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > the physical body but the invisible air and the > > mindpower. > > > > few > > > > > > > > people also practiced to keep a big bowl at their navel > > and > > > > > > breathe > > > > > > > > in (empty) the enire air within that bowl area through > > > their > > > > > > navel > > > > > > > > (extremely difficult) so that a vacuum is created in > the > > > > bowl > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > even if 10 people strive to remove that bowl separated > > from > > > > the > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > with full force, they fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > similarly in reiki and other healings, energy is > > > > concentrated > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > focused or channelised at a particular place so that > the > > > > place > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > filled with the energy that it needs and the problem is > > > > solved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > however, some psychics and healers have started > cheating > > > the > > > > > > > > gullibles in the name of creation of energy balls, > > throwing > > > > or > > > > > > > > playing a football (wish the million dollar paid > > > footballers > > > > > > hire > > > > > > > > some of the energy balss and keep hitting dozens of > > goals > > > in > > > > a > > > > > > > > single match!) type game with those invisible energy > > balls > > > > and > > > > > > > shoot > > > > > > > > those balls like intercontinental ballistic missiles > > > towards > > > > a > > > > > > > > person in another continent either to hit him hard > > > (knockout > > > > > > punch) > > > > > > > > or cast a white or black magic spell. extremely hifi > > > matrix > > > > > > movie > > > > > > > > type 3D technical jargon and heavy graphis are used by > > > these > > > > > > > healers > > > > > > > > to look this invisible maze of healing game a virtual > > > > reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in metaphysics, an energy is divided into three > > categories > > > > viz. > > > > > > > > REAL, UNREAL AND FALSE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > real energy is the life force which all SENTIENT beings > > > have > > > > > and > > > > > > > > this energy is god or divine. unreal energy is > > something > > > > which > > > > > > > > makes an object looks like having life and the object > in > > > > fact > > > > > > > > behaves like a living object but in reality it is > > unreal. > > > > > false > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > something which is a fake and known to all. recently a > > > > person > > > > > > sold > > > > > > > > a taiwanese smallest battery operated self illuminating > > > > tissue > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > nagamani for a hundred crore and was later caught and > is > > > > behind > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bars. in images also what we see is real (seeing is > > > > > > believing). > > > > > > > > you see a reflection of yourself in a mirror or the > > > > reflection > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > sun and moon in the water which is unreal. you see a > > > > monster > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > 100 faces or a non-existing heaven with all choicest > > > liquors > > > > > and > > > > > > > > most beautiful women and bacardi swing and swap > parties, > > > > these > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > false. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in indian mantra or tantra, certain rituals are > followed > > in > > > > > > which a > > > > > > > > kind of charm or spell is created which is unreal. > most > > > > charms > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > spells look like real in reality but they are unreal, > > for > > > > they > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > only for a short time like you spray a perfume or put > > some > > > > > smoke > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > a room and it vanishes into thin air soon after > > sometime. > > > > but > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > long as these things are FELT, it looks real and > lasting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the above are based on my limited knowledge and others > > may > > > > have > > > > > > > > different experiences based on their knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > , "crystal > pages" > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear forum friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the last few decades we laypersons have been > > > obsessed > > > > > > > > > with 'energy' (Thank you Einstein ji for that > > revelation > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > math degree that usually is required of the > devotees!) > > > and > > > > > now > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > commonplace to associate healing with energy, and all > > > that > > > > is > > > > > > > > > spriritual and religious -- not to forget the 70 > > dollars > > > a > > > > > > > > > barrel 'energy' that moves us from on place to > another > > > and > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > each time a war occurs in the middle earth (oops -- I > > > mean > > > > > > middle > > > > > > > > > east). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is healing always this lack of energy, a negative > > state, > > > a > > > > > > vacuum > > > > > > > > > into which some celestial energy must flow in and > fill > > > the > > > > > > void > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > ease the pain, like a dental filling - removing the > > pain > > > > of a > > > > > > > > dental > > > > > > > > > cavity created by excessive indulgence in sugar and > > > > ignoring > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > brush > > > > > > > > > afterwards? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On internet, on TV (all those healing channels) and > > all > > > > those > > > > > > > > tools > > > > > > > > > for exploration type sites selling electronic gizmos > > and > > > > > > > solutions > > > > > > > > > for total bliss and complete absolution -- for a > > price! > > > > Kind > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > the professional divinational scene including karmic > > > > remedies > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > ?energy? put to GOoD' use! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that this 'healing' energy is yet another > > > > > > oversimplified > > > > > > > > > concept, yet again based upon and confined to > physical > > > > realm > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > laws > > > > > > > > > and principles. This is more about "AS BELOW, SO > > ABOVE" > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > the biblical/scripturally traditional statement (the > > > > > reverse!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal experiences often related in exalted states > > > > indicate > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > sort of influx of celestial energy into one's being > > > > followed > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > healing. Is it a direct experience or transliteration > > > into > > > > > the > > > > > > > > realm > > > > > > > > > that can be experienced or experientiable? It is > > almost > > > > like > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > transducer that can sense ultrasensory vibrations and > > > down- > > > > > > > > modulates > > > > > > > > > those to audible tones. Like the aura images, sold at > > a > > > > > > premium > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > some of the electro-spiritual department stores > (named > > > > above). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term -- "State of being" has often been tossed > > around > > > > as > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > indicator of spiritual success (another mis- label!). > > How > > > > > > > > entrenched > > > > > > > > > we humans are in earthly and earthy tags and tabs > even > > > > when > > > > > we > > > > > > > > prance > > > > > > > > > spiritual! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mass and energy are wonderful concepts for this 3D > > > reality > > > > > and > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > so well. Perhaps we should not oversimplify the > entire > > > > cosmic > > > > > > > > reality > > > > > > > > > to fit into a "framework" that worked so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like the diver who is comfortable and poised > > upon > > > > the > > > > > > > wooden > > > > > > > > > springy diving board, about to plunge into the > success > > > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > dive > > > > > > > > > into a body of water promises in the next few seconds! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The experience of that success, that healing is > > neither > > > > > > described > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > the wooden springboard, nor the flight through air, > > nor > > > > the > > > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > > with water -- oh so perfect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Healing, as well, I think!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planning and journey are essential but not the > > same > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > destination. That is what healing is! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelay > > > > <neelay2006@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Charles and Prasnn: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not related to astrology. but I thought I > > > > should > > > > > > > > share. > > > > > > > > > Yesterday, I saw an hour long program on ABC > Primetime > > > > about > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > energy healer. The kid is nineteen years old from > > Canada > > > > and > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > to heal people through energy healing. What caught my > > > > > > attention > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > that he healed his mom from MS. To me his healing > > > techique > > > > > > seemed > > > > > > > > > like a mix of Reiki and Pranic healing, however he > > > > describes > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > following in his website > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to > > merge > > > > the > > > > > > auras > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > all participants with healing intentions. Then he > uses > > > > > > > holographic > > > > > > > > > views to energetically affect through intention those > > > > > present. > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > full-day workshop contains two group treatments. > > Adam's > > > > > > workshops > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > participatory as through the use of visualizations he > > > > > empowers > > > > > > > > > individuals to use their own healing abilities. He > > will > > > > share > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > insights on this topic and share his own healing > > > abilities > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > direction and gives you some basic tools for > improving > > > and > > > > > > > > > maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more > > > > > > effective > > > > > > > > > control of our immune system and healing abilities > > > through > > > > > > > > > intention" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does tours in US and Canada, where he meets > > people > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > group treatment. Here is his website: > > > > > > http://www.dreamhealer.com/ > > > > > > > > > > An overview of the program they showed on ABC > > > yesterday > > > > > > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story? > > > id=2179784&page=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wish you the vey best in staying fit and well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Neelay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prasannman <prasannman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Charles I really appreciate your posting. > > I > > > > think > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > detail would > > > > > > > > > > help the readers, astro community and patients > > > > understand > > > > > MS > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > and fight against it. Great Help indeed. I do wish > > you > > > > all > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > best to stay fit and fine and overcome the > challenge > > of > > > > MS. > > > > > > Let > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > keep discussing and extending this thread to find > > out > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > solutions and help each other. My mail ID is > > prasannman@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "charles_corbit" > > > > > > > > > > <charles_corbit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After reading Rohiniranjan's request, I decided > to > > > > post a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > detailed background on my history with MS. For > > > > reference, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > posting my DOB again as I am always looking for > > > > feedback > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > events transpired relative to astrological > > indicators. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: May 6th, 1964 4:52 EST (5:52 DST) > > > > > > > > > > > Place: Reading, PA, USA 75W56 40N20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I stated in a previous post, my first symptoms > > > > > appeared > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > 1992. I was recently divorced and started to go > to > > > the > > > > > gym > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > out to be more "marketable". I was concentrating > > on > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > > > building and really pushing myself. I started to > > get > > > > > > > > lightheaded > > > > > > > > > > > periods and what I can describe as "whooshes" in > > my > > > > head. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the doctor and I am not sure why, but it was > > > mentioned > > > > > > that > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > be MS. I did an MRI, but it came back negative. I > > was > > > > > told > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > was stress and anxiety related and I should see a > > > > > > therapist. > > > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > record, I was eating a very high fat, junk food > > diet > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > a regular schedule for sleep. Once I quit working > > out > > > > so > > > > > > > > > intently, > > > > > > > > > > > the symptoms were mitigated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now over the next 10 years or so, I had a variety > > of > > > > > > symptoms > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > came and went. However, most symptoms where > > > > lightheaded > > > > > in > > > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > > > > > and a general feeling of just not > feeling "right". > > I > > > > was > > > > > > > > tested > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > hypoglycemia, diabetes, epilepsy, sleep apnea, > > sleep > > > > > study > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > cardiac heart stress test, etc… I found my normal > > > > resting > > > > > > > > heart > > > > > > > > > > rate > > > > > > > > > > > is very low, around 50-55. When I sleep, my heart > > > goes > > > > > > down > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > 35 > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > times. I achieved quite a bit in there years > > career > > > > wise > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > not uncommon to work 60-80 hours week. I had a > > > > terrible > > > > > > diet > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > sleep schedule supplementing every waking breath > > with > > > > > > large > > > > > > > > > amounts > > > > > > > > > > > of coffee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although, I never had vision problems that were > > > > detected, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > often > > > > > > > > > > > felt during my episodes that I was kind of > looking > > > > > through > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > tunnel, > > > > > > > > > > > sort of vignetted. Almost like I was missing some > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > data. > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > is hard to describe. However, my vision test > > always > > > > came > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > negative > > > > > > > > > > > and I do not even wear glasses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere in around 1999, my lightheadedness was > > > > getting > > > > > > > worse > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > would feel like I had to pass out, especially in > > the > > > > heat > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > heavy physical exertion. I took a tilt test and I > > > > failed, > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > had me on medication to keep my heart rate > > elevated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All during this time, I would have sinus > infection > > > > after > > > > > > > sinus > > > > > > > > > > > infection, very bad seasonal allergies. I was > > taking > > > > OTC > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > > > medications on a daily basis along with allergy > > > > > medication. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not keep good records, so I > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > correlate > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > any dasha sub periods, etc.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then in mid 2003, I started to get numbness in my > > > > toes. I > > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > might be shoes I was wearing. Then I started to > > get > > > > > > numbness > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > tingling in my hands and also felt like I had a > > whole > > > > in > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > chest.; > > > > > > > > > > > almost like I could not feel the existence of my > > > > torso. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > doctors > > > > > > > > > > > thought it was a pinched nerve, but finally > > through > > > > the > > > > > > MRIs, > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > found a lesion in my cervical spine and three > > lesions > > > > in > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > brain. > > > > > > > > > > > The neurologist told me the diagnosis gave me a > > phone > > > > > > number > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > MS support group, handed me a drug kit for Rebif > > > > > > (interferon) > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > video tape on how to give myself injections and > > sent > > > > me > > > > > on > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > Literally, there was no talk of alternatives, > > diet, > > > > etc… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went home and sunk into a depression for about > a > > > > month > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > so. I > > > > > > > > > > > contemplated it for some time and realized I must > > not > > > > > > fight > > > > > > > > this, > > > > > > > > > > > not in the traditional sense of I am going to > beat > > > > this, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > needed to accept it and learn to live with it. I > > > > started > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > ardent > > > > > > > > > > > search on MS related materials, both allopathic > > and > > > > non- > > > > > > > > > allopathic, > > > > > > > > > > > meanwhile I started the injections. I reacted > very > > > > well, > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > limited site reactions, but no major side > effects. > > I > > > > read > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > > and western research on low fat diets. I read > > about > > > > > > Ayurveda > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > realized my lifestyle was the cause of many of my > > > > issues > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > probably contributed to my MS or at least > hastened > > it > > > > > > along. > > > > > > > > As I > > > > > > > > > > > started to make changes, I decided the risk > > factors > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > potential damage to my liver from the interferon > > was > > > > not > > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > fired my first neurologist and got another one > who > > > was > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > open to discuss alternates, maybe not agree > > > > completely, > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > > > > like she considers me a partner in managing my > > > health. > > > > I > > > > > > > > decided > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > quit the Rebif after a year and after I my last > > > annual > > > > > MRI > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > new activity and a lumber puncture came back > > > > negative!! I > > > > > > > > decided > > > > > > > > > > > that if my condition would worsen that I would > > > > consider > > > > > > > > starting > > > > > > > > > > > again, but I truly believe taking care of myself > > > > dietwise > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > supplementing with vitamins is a key in stopping > > the > > > > > > > > progression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In summary, I made the following changes over a > > year > > > > > > period > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > seen real benefits during this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.) I follow an extremely low fat diet as > detailed > > by > > > > Dr. > > > > > > > > Swank, > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947- 5635924? > > > > ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.) I take high dosages of vitamins as detailed > by > > a > > > > > board > > > > > > > > > > certified > > > > > > > > > > > neurologist, Perlmutter, who describes studies > > which > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > beneficial impact on neurological functions. > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594480931/sr=8- > > > > > > > > > > > 4/qid=1152844043/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-3411947- 5635924? > > > > ie=UTF8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.) I practice hatha yoga on a very routine basis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.) I try to meditate regularly; however, I do > > > > struggle > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5.) I do not eat any processed foods and > > concentrate > > > > on > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > organic foods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.) I follow a pitta balancing ayurvedic lifestyle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7.) I concentrate on practicing yamas and niyamas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazingly, I do not take any medicines anymore. I > > do > > > > not > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > sick > > > > > > > > > > > like I use to. I do not get headaches. My > > allergies > > > > are > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > less. > > > > > > > > > > > And although, I still get occasionally numbness > > and > > > > > > tingling, > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > not getting worse. However, recently it seems a > > bit > > > > more > > > > > > and > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > tend to fatigue easier. But it does not bother me > > > that > > > > > > much. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > not define myself as my MS. It is a symptom of my > > > > karma, > > > > > > of > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > flawed human body, but I am not my body, I am not > > MS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been extremely blessed and do not believe > I > > > > would > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > living > > > > > > > > > > > the life I have had it not be for this diagnosis. > > I > > > > > > realize > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > physically things could change very quickly as > the > > > > nature > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > MS > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > so unpredictable. However, my concern since my > > > > diagnosis > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > broadened to include more than just this life; it > > has > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > re-focus my efforts in a manner which I never > > would > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > comprehended ten years ago. I am hoping my > efforts > > > now > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > to face the inevitable decline of my physical > body > > > > when > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > comes with strength, courage and wisdom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who suffer with MS, I urge you to at > > least > > > > look > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > links I mentioned above. I truly believe these > > > methods > > > > > can > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > lessen the impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > > > > > Neelay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls > > to > > > > the > > > > > > US > > > > > > > > (and > > > > > > > > > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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