Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Prafulla, Brigu Nadi published by Ranjan also has some clues on using rahu, ketu for prediction that is add the longitudes of Rahu and Guru if the mid point falls in a Auspicious house when Guru aspects or transits the point u can expect favourable results, like mariage, children, assets, rise in prof/pay/income etc. and in Dusthanas it is just the opposite result. similarlty it is said if Sani+Kuja are aspecting or conjoined, the person has another name or nick name/title, a bone injury too. Guru having no planet to its 11th will be eldest in the family and so on. so we can travel on a lot of unheard or taught tips from even our own past masters. where Ayanamsa ned not be a question at al. Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Ranjan ji Very true. I have been reading Dane Rudhyar and few more on western astrology. Surprisingly, MC Jain have used progression well into his system (and retrogression too). Rudhyar too, has demonstrated the use of rahu / ketu in timing of events. regards / Prafulla Gang Let not the sands of time get in your lunch. > > jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:51:31 -0000 > > Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic astrology...2 > cents > > Prafulla, > > I am only a fascinated observer of western astrology and nothing > more. So take my post with a pinch of salt. I am more fascinated by > the openness and documentation and organization of the technical > material, databases etc that have almost mostly been created by > western astrologers. As far as the system is concerned, when it > started the two zodiacs were close and so rulerships etc worked > better. over the year the practitioners have moved away from the > rulerships as Sari pointed out. Another interesting thing is the > heavy use of inter-planetary and planet to cusp arcs also known as > aspects. Obviously these would be not sensitive to or influenced by > zodiacs, since it is using the relative distance between the bodies > and points. Also the Ebertin system which deals with midpoints again > is looking at relative placements and is not influenced by the > zodiac. If I were trying to looking into the 'marriage' of the two > systems, I would bring in mid-point analysis and western aspects into > the vedic charts, because they are system or zodiac-independent! > > The two zodiacs, sidereal (visible, fixed) and tropical (experiential > as in seasons, heat and cold, earth-based, movable) tell me that > there is perhaps some different symbolic representations that are > inherent in the two zodiacs. I do not believe that the belief that > tropical gives better representation of human psyche and sidereal > gives better event timing. This is simply not true. Both systems have > been demonstrated to perform both functions. The human psyche thing > comes because for a long significant time, western astrologers tended > to come from backgrounds of psychology and education and therefore > brought their backgrounds to evolve and develop that aspect of > astrology. With rich contributions which are worth reading. Rudhyar, > Noel Tyl, Alan Oken, Munkasey, and many more have written well and > are worth reading... > > Just a thought, > > RR > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Sari >> >> Many thanks for detailed note. Can not we cast the chart per > tropical zodiac (without ayanamsa correction) and read per vedic > astrology practices. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> >> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and another, > and another. Keep doing this until you break through. >> >> >>> >>> gerdapp >>> Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:43:49 +0300 >>> >>> Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic > astrology...2 >>> cents >>> >>> Prafulla Gang wrote: >>> >>>> Perhaps, people familiar with tropical astrology can pin point > the >>>> predictive accuracy vis a vis ayanamsa. >>> >>> Sari: >>> >>> Dear Prafulla and other respected members, >>> >>> I read the article too and I got the impression that the main > reason for >>> the >>> writer to consider tropical zodiac more accurate were the good > results he >>> had got with Western secondary progressions. But one need not to > change >>> zodiac to use secondary progressions, so I cannot understand why > the >>> workability of that method should be the reason to evaluate the > tropical >>> zodiac as more correct as a whole. >>> >>> One can think about the fact that Western astrologers used to use >>> planetary >>> rulerships in the past centuries, but they are not used > extensively any >>> more. Most Western astrologers give the rulerships of Aquarius, > Pisces >>> and >>> Scorpio to outer planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. Wouldn't that > be a >>> major >>> change in techiques, unless the planetary rulerships as a whole > would >>> have >>> become only a curiosity because of precession? >>> >>> There's a lot of strictly zodiac based techniques that Indian > sidereal >>> astrologers use, but Western tropical astrologers use only > little, or >>> don't >>> use at all, for example the previously mentioned house > rulerships, but >>> also >>> divisional charts, whole sign houses and aspects (because whole > sign >>> houses >>> is the only house system that gives partly different results with >>> different >>> zodiacs), dasha systems etc. The most used and workable > techniques of >>> Western astrology (transits, progressions, outer planets etc.) > are not >>> dependent on the zodiac. >>> >>> What comes to transits and solar return charts, many Western > astrologers >>> use >>> precessed sidereal returns and then turn them tropical, because > the >>> precession corrected ones have proved to be more accurate. >>> >>> Best wishes, Sari >> Prashantkumar G B -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. 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