RE: A controversial article on vedic astrology...[2 cents, challenges]... Nadiamsha

July 9, 2006

Chi. Tarun,

If you want to test your Ayanamsha, I would suggest you to buy any book (Daiva Keralam) which gives detailed result of any Nadiamsha.

Check the result of any Nadi amsha say Padmasha or Prabhamsha etc ..You would notice that a mere difference of 2 minutes will alter the results drammatically.

In using your Ayanmsha, no body will have any objection provided your Ayanamsha gives a Nadiamsha which describes the life events of any jathaka correctly.

Tatvam-Asi

Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun > wrote:

Dear rishi i would like to know if you have tried this ayanamsha

*01/01/1155 and precession rate is

50.2719 seconds / year this date i consider when sidereal zodiac and

tropical were same. now if you calculate any chart you will find a big

difference between the charts you have seen with other ayanaamsha there will

be 12 degree three minutes differences. now you will see that dasha which

you will get will be so right that every time the dasha changes, first

level, second level, third level you will have an event on the same date as

the dasha gets changes.

if you need horoscope with the new ayanamsha you can write me for this

with best wishes

Tarun Chopra

naastrology/

www.occultwizard.com

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On 7/9/06, rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in > wrote:

>

> Decades ago, a distinguished person used to lure me in a game of

> chess and beat me convincingly. He would lead me in a trap, pitfall

> and a swindle with a straight face. Only the twinkle in his eyes

> would at times reveal the trap. It was a great learning process

> though for a beginner. Now much later in the journey of life,

> innocuous phrases like, `'math challenged" and "hindi not my first

> language" are once again leading me in such openings. My opening and

> middle game much better now though. I should be able to skirt around

> these. Still a great learning process though!

> The fact remains that the very basis of Jyotish , the ayanamsha which

> decides the values remains unresolved.

> The fact also remains that most of the commonly used Ayanamshas

> revolve around plus minus 3 degrees of the Lahiri chitrapaksha.

> The fact also remains that the tropical astrology is also right.

> The fact remains that there can be more than one approach and one

> route to climb a mountain and yet reach the same place.

> The fact also remains that non -astrological divinations also give

> similar answers.

> The same rasagulla tastes different when eaten at different places

> with different people.

> And why does food cooked by Ma always taste the same?

> So the journey of life continues........

>

> Regards

>

> rishi

>

> <%40>,

> "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani wrote:

> >

> > I did confess years ago that I am math-challenged, bhaiyaa :-(

> > All I can share is that, as I have done privately with you and

> > others, I am amazed at the number of times when different

> ayanamshas

> > (not too far away from Raman and Lahiri for instance) have both

> shown

> > different but concordant indicators pointing towards the same

> bottom

> > line!

> >

> > This is eerie and really bothered me for a long time, still does.

> > That is when my western siblings came in handy! If they can get a

> > demonstrably accurate reading using a coordinate that is 23 degrees

> > different, why should I be griping about a difference of 87 minutes?

> >

> > It is not ideal, but I am not the one who ever called it a science!

> > Ask those who jump up and down claiming that IT is!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > <%40>,

> "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -Exactly, in all fairness the calculations should be obvious and

> > not

> > > too complicated.

> > > Please do continue to give us a bit of the 20/20 clarity!

> > > regards

> > >

> > > rishi

> > >

> > > -- In <%40>,

> "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear brother Rishi,

> > > >

> > > > I would not fall out of my chair if we modern followers of

> > > Parashara

> > > > were to find out that despite our phenomenal

> > > > worldly/material/engineering type cerebral progress and

> > > discoveries,

> > > > contemporaries of Parashara had a direct way of calculating

> > > > astrological bits and bytes!

> > > >

> > > > This 'drik' (drishta) ganit kind of tugs at my heart. What is

> it?

> > > > Does anyone here know and can shed light upon? Why is it called

> > > drik,

> > > > and not adrishta ganit, like what we utilize now? More like

> > > sparshya

> > > > ganit (summer when it is hot, winter when it is cold)?

> > > >

> > > > Math has always been a big challenge for me personally and I am

> > > > envious of all these math types that are interested in jyotish.

> > > > Surely, they and not people like me, math-challenged as I am,

> > must

> > > be

> > > > providing answers to such question :-)

> > > >

> > > > Until then -- I would rather be in limbo than in a hammock or

> arm-

> > > > chair ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> "rishi_2000in"

> > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Precession is an established scientific fact, Sir. The

> current

> > > rate

> > > > > is also there to see.

> > > > > Just because in the chain of history we have lost some links

> > > does

> > > > > not mean Parasara etal did not use ayanamsha.

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>,

> "crystal pages"

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In all fairness Prafulla, I do not believe Parashara or his

> > > > > > contemporaries or precedents or followers really needed

> > > > ayanamshas!

> > > > > > Ayanamsha is a recent phenomenon I think.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Though sidereal zodiac we follow is up in the sky and the

> > > visible

> > > > > > zodiac, it is kind of strange if not weird that we need to

> > > tune

> > > > > into

> > > > > > the seasonal zodiac and then back-calculate that which is

> > > visible

> > > > > and

> > > > > > up there!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Too bad Brahma did not put a bright star at aries zero up

> > > there

> > > > or

> > > > > we

> > > > > > would not be hawing and hemming about ayanamsha for

> centuries!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maybe it is God's way to remind us that East and West must

> > > live

> > > > > > together as brothers and sisters. Most siblings fight and

> > > through

> > > > > > fighting they make each other stronger!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you can really survive your sibling and all those life-

> > > > > threatening

> > > > > > feuds with that vicious brother of yours (usually!), who

> can

> > > > > really

> > > > > > hurt you, because if someone really tries to, your sibling

> > > would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > the first one to come to your aid!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is true!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>,

> Prafulla Gang

> > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Varun ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All fine. The question is - if Parashar or any other

> sage -

> >

> > > > > > mentioned about it and if not, which one they followed?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and

> > > > > another,

> > > > > > and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > varun_trvd@

> > > > > > > > Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:31:35 -0000

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic

> > > > > > astrology...[2

> > > > > > > > cents]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Gurujan,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ayanansha calculations;

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Grahlaghav paddhati:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Deduct 444 from the Saka Samvat and devide the

> remainder

> > > by

> > > > 60

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > gets the ayanansha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [ shake vedabdhivedonah 444 shashtirbhakto ayanashakah ]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ----

> > > grahlaghav,ravichandra.shlok

> > > > 7 !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [ 2 ] Makarand paddhati :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > step 1 : Deduct 421 from the Saka Samvat. Place the

> > > remainder

> > > > > at

> > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > places.

> > > > > > > > step 2 : Devide the remainder { result of step 1 } by

> 10.

> > > > > > > > step 3 : deduct the result of step 2 from the result of

> > > step

> > > > 1.

> > > > > > > > step 4 : devide the result of step 3 by 60.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The result is the ayanansha for that year.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With naman to all gurujan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

> "crystal pages"

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Rishiji,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Since hindi is not my first language, may I request

> you

> > > to

> > > > > give

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > >> the manasagari ayanamsha value for 26 January 1947?

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Thanks

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> RR

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> <%40>,

> "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > > > >> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Prafullaji,

> > > > > > > >>> This reference is from a book called "

> > > > > Sodaharanbhashateekopeta"

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>> the Mansagari Paddhati more in use in and around UP

> > > Hills.

> > > > > > > >>> First Printed around 1913, and written around the

> turn

> > > of

> > > > > > > > century.

> > > > > > > >>> It sums up ayanamsha very succintly!

> > > > > > > >>> I will give the hindi translation for am not good in

> > > > > sanskrit.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> "shalivahana shaka mein 445 ghata dein jo sheshrahe

> wah

> > > kala

> > > > > > > > hota

> > > > > > > >>> hai, usme saath ka bhaga dein jo labdhi mile so

> > > ayanamsha

> > > > > hota

> > > > > > > > hai.

> > > > > > > >>> Tatkalik ayanamsha karne ke nimitta chaitra shukla

> > > > pratipada

> > > > > se

> > > > > > > >> jitne

> > > > > > > >>> maas gat ho utne gunita paanch paladi kar deve."

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> It is interesting that no one discusses why subtract

> > > from

> > > > > shaka

> > > > > > > >>> etc.and no logic is extended.In my curiousity, I have

> > > been

> > > > > > > > asking

> > > > > > > >>> JKyotishis about their ayanamshas and most who have a

> > > > > successful

> > > > > > > >>> practice seem nonplussed about this.

> > > > > > > >>> regards

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> rishi

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> <%40>,

> Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Rishi ji

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Yes, there are very little authenticity data

> available

> > > for

> > > > > > > >>> the "source" of ancient books / texts / literature.

> > Weak

> > > > > human

> > > > > > > >> mind,

> > > > > > > >>> often finds reason to back or question its faith /

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > (or

> > > > > > > >> his

> > > > > > > >>> blind vision).

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> So what becomes the value of ayanamsa today? In

> other

> > > > > words -

> > > > > > > >> what

> > > > > > > >>> is begining point of this ayanamsa correction (55

> sec /

> > > p.a)

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another,

> > and

> > > > > > > > another,

> > > > > > > >>> and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> rishi_2000in@

> > > > > > > >>>>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:28:49 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>>> <%40>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Re: RE: A controversial article on

> vedic

> > > > > > > >>> astrology...[2

> > > > > > > >>>>> cents]

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Prafullaji,

> > > > > > > >>>>> So far we do not even know that the "words"

> > attributed

> > > to

> > > > > > > >>> Parasara or

> > > > > > > >>>>> Varahmihira are actually theirs or have slipped in

> > > those

> > > > > > > >> treatises

> > > > > > > >>>>> sometime over the past centuries.

> > > > > > > >>>>> Interestingly, there is only one astrological book,

> I

> > > have

> > > > > > > > come

> > > > > > > >>>>> across so far ( my readings , I must admit very

> > basic)

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > >> has

> > > > > > > >>> been

> > > > > > > >>>>> printed in the nineteenth century and the author

> > > admits

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > >> the

> > > > > > > >>>>> words are his own.

> > > > > > > >>>>> In this book the author gives a different method of

> > > > > > > > calculating

> > > > > > > >>>>> ayanamsa and takes it roughly as 55 seconds/year.

> > > > > > > >>>>> regards

> > > > > > > >>>>> rishi

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> <%40>,

> Prafulla

> Gang

> > > > > > > >> <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Ranjan ji

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> There are many controversies in jyotish like in any

> > > > > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > >> and

> > > > > > > >>> it

> > > > > > > >>>>> is real heart breaking to feel that, prediction

> does

> > > not

> > > > > > > > warrant

> > > > > > > >>>>> correct chart...and even if the chart is wrong, we

> > can

> > > > > still

> > > > > > > >>> proceed.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Most of ayanamsa definition and their reasonings

> > > > (research

> > > > > > > >> papers

> > > > > > > >>>>> etc), still does not answer the basic question - the

> > > > > > > > ayanamsa

> > > > > > > >> (or

> > > > > > > >>>>> planetary calculation basis) used by ancient sages

> > > > > including

> > > > > > > >>>>> Parashar, Varah Mihir etc.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> BTW, I did not add "2 cents" in the thread. I am

> > > rather

> > > > > > > > devil's

> > > > > > > >>>>> advocate - partly out of my inquisitiveness and

> > partly

> > > > out

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>>>> ignorance. Ironically, it is difficult to believe /

> > > digest

> > > > > > > > (if

> > > > > > > >> at

> > > > > > > >>>>> all !!) that, all these years - we were reading /

> > > > > predicting

> > > > > > > >> from

> > > > > > > >>>>> wrong chart.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make

> another,

> > > and

> > > > > > > >> another,

> > > > > > > >>>>> and another. Keep doing this until you break

> through.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:33:08 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> <%40>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Re: RE: A controversial article on

> > > vedic

> > > > > > > >>>>> astrology...[2

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> cents]

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> The just do not call it two cents!

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Value of currency changes over a very short

> time ...

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> So why not call it just "current value" or

> > > > > even 'Potential

> > > > > > > >>> Value'?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Particularly if you are the accountant/scientific

> > > > type ;-

> > > > > )

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> ANON

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> <%40>,

> Prafulla

> > > Gang

> > > > > > > >>> <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make

> > > another,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > >>>>> another, and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

--

http://www.occultwizard.com/

naastrology/

July 9, 2006

Dear tatvamasi,

a good call, but our Tarun says old texts r obselete and not worth wasting time I hope u have seen the latest post of his he has said so in chats to me as wel. he wants us to prove he is wrong or right, but he is sure we will find it right,....!? as he has got a great fix it all.

Tatvamasi <om_tatsat_om > wrote: