A controversial article on vedic astrology...[2 cents]

July 8, 2006

Dear Rishi ji,

I just quoted the grahlaghav rule and the makarand rule. I never

said that either of them should be used.

Yes, before shri Ketkar ji worked out his chitrapaksha ayanansh {

later known as Lahiri ayanansh }, these two were being commonly used.

Now , ofcourse, most of us use the Ketki chitrapaksheeya ayanansh {

Lahiri }.

With naman to all gurujan,

Varun Trivedi

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Varunji,

>

> This calculation gives an annual rate of precession to 60 minutes

> which does not tally with the physically observed rate of 50.23

> seconds/year.

> So that leaves food for thought.

> regards

> rishi

>

> -- In , "varun_trvd"

> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Res Rohini ji,

> >

> > I did not present any axiom.I worked out the ayanansh for the

> > beginning of the saka samvat for 1947 based on the Makarand and

> Grah

> > laghav rule I had stated in my earlier message.

> > I had shared the rule quoting the shloka from Grah Laghav. I

> assume

> > you had read that message.

> > As regards, whether you believe me or not, it is upto you.

> >

> > With naman to all gurujan.

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Varun OR Varunji (depending on whether you are younger or

older)

> > >

> > > You present this as some sort of as an axiom, a universal

truth!

> > >

> > > I am a sceptic when it comes to hand-waved statements like

these!

> > >

> > > The very fact that you are telling and willing to share,

again,

> is

> > > telling me that you may have something important to share, but

> > please

> > > share fully and not as some cannonical truth! Or you will not

be

> > > believed yet again! How often can you withstand this kind or

> > > rejection for something that you feel is important to share?

> That

> > is

> > > if I am tuning in correctly and you do have something

important

> to

> > > share!

> > >

> > > Kaliyugis are sceptic by nature, because the earlier wonderful

> > yugas

> > > Sata, Dwapara, Treta did not last! Those were phases and the

> > current

> > > reality is kaliyuga (unless you believe in what Yukteshwara

> Giriji

> > > stated. This does sound like dwapara with all these technical

> > gizmos

> > > and gadgets!

> > >

> > > But let me not spook you fine folks.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "varun_trvd"

> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Res. Rohini ji,

> > > >

> > > > The saka samvat 1869 started on march 23, 1947. On that day

> the

> > > > grahlaghav ayanansha was 23d45m0s and the makarand ayanansha

> was

> > > > 21d43m12s

> > > > You could deduct the proportionate monthly progression from

> this

> > > > value to arrive at the value on Jan 26, 1947.

> > > >

> > > > With naman to all gurujan.

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Rishiji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Since hindi is not my first language, may I request you to

> > give

> > > me

> > > > > the manasagari ayanamsha value for 26 January 1947?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prafullaji,

> > > > > > This reference is from a book called "

> > > Sodaharanbhashateekopeta"

> > > > of

> > > > > > the Mansagari Paddhati more in use in and around UP

Hills.

> > > > > > First Printed around 1913, and written around the turn

of

> > > > century.

> > > > > > It sums up ayanamsha very succintly!

> > > > > > I will give the hindi translation for am not good in

> > sanskrit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "shalivahana shaka mein 445 ghata dein jo sheshrahe wah

> kala

> > > > hota

> > > > > > hai, usme saath ka bhaga dein jo labdhi mile so

ayanamsha

> > hota

> > > > hai.

> > > > > > Tatkalik ayanamsha karne ke nimitta chaitra shukla

> pratipada

> > se

> > > > > jitne

> > > > > > maas gat ho utne gunita paanch paladi kar deve."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is interesting that no one discusses why subtract

from

> > shaka

> > > > > > etc.and no logic is extended.In my curiousity, I have

been

> > > > asking

> > > > > > JKyotishis about their ayanamshas and most who have a

> > > successful

> > > > > > practice seem nonplussed about this.

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rishi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prafulla Gang

> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rishi ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, there are very little authenticity data available

> for

> > > > > > the "source" of ancient books / texts / literature. Weak

> > human

> > > > > mind,

> > > > > > often finds reason to back or question its faith /

> knowledge

> > > (or

> > > > > his

> > > > > > blind vision).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So what becomes the value of ayanamsa today? In other

> > words -

> > > > > what

> > > > > > is begining point of this ayanamsa correction (55 sec /

> p.a)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another,

and

> > > > another,

> > > > > > and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rishi_2000in@

> > > > > > > > Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:28:49 -0000

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: RE: A controversial article on

vedic

> > > > > > astrology...[2

> > > > > > > > cents]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Prafullaji,

> > > > > > > > So far we do not even know that the "words"

attributed

> > to

> > > > > > Parasara or

> > > > > > > > Varahmihira are actually theirs or have slipped in

> those

> > > > > treatises

> > > > > > > > sometime over the past centuries.

> > > > > > > > Interestingly, there is only one astrological book,

I

> > have

> > > > come

> > > > > > > > across so far ( my readings , I must admit very

basic)

> > > which

> > > > > has

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > printed in the nineteenth century and the author

> admits

> > > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > words are his own.

> > > > > > > > In this book the author gives a different method of

> > > > calculating

> > > > > > > > ayanamsa and takes it roughly as 55 seconds/year.

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > rishi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Prafulla

Gang

> > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Dear Ranjan ji

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> There are many controversies in jyotish like in any

> > > > subject.

> > > > > and

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is real heart breaking to feel that, prediction does

> not

> > > > warrant

> > > > > > > > correct chart...and even if the chart is wrong, we

can

> > > still

> > > > > > proceed.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Most of ayanamsa definition and their reasonings

> > (research

> > > > > papers

> > > > > > > > etc), still does not answer the basic question - the

> > > > ayanamsa

> > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > planetary calculation basis) used by ancient sages

> > including

> > > > > > > > Parashar, Varah Mihir etc.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> BTW, I did not add "2 cents" in the thread. I am

> rather

> > > > devil's

> > > > > > > > advocate - partly out of my inquisitiveness and

partly

> > out

> > > of

> > > > > > > > ignorance. Ironically, it is difficult to believe /

> > digest

> > > > (if

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > > all !!) that, all these years - we were reading /

> > > predicting

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > wrong chart.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make

another,

> > and

> > > > > another,

> > > > > > > > and another. Keep doing this until you break

through.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > >>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:33:08 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Re: RE: A controversial article on

> vedic

> > > > > > > > astrology...[2

> > > > > > > >>> cents]

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> The just do not call it two cents!

> > > > > > > >>> Value of currency changes over a very short

time ...

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> So why not call it just "current value" or

> > > even 'Potential

> > > > > > Value'?

> > > > > > > >>> Particularly if you are the accountant/scientific

> > type ;-)

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> ANON

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> , Prafulla

> Gang

> > > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make

> another,

> > and

> > > > > > > > another, and

> > > > > > > >>> another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 8, 2006

Thank God that I am not using any of the ayanamsha values that you

mentioned or referred to!

I believe in the adage "If it ain't broken, why fix it?"

I also take my car for maintenance every three months!

RR

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> RRji,

> My earlier reply got deleted as the net connection faltered.

> First language or not, your hindi is better than atleast mine. I

> have not tried out the ayanamsha but when I calculate, I get a

value

> of 23 degree 40 mins for the mansagari way of calculation for 26

Jan

> 1947 as against Lahiri of 23 deg 6 mins.

> My point, however, is that most of the jyotish books either take

> ayanamsha for granted or dismiss it summarily just as Mansagari has

> done or just as Trivediji points out in grahalaghave paddhati.

> I have seen that most of the practising jyotishis also do the same

> thing.

> Yet,they achieve a reasonable success rate.

> Jyotish, therefore, has been thriving despite the fact that

> logically its very basis is moving!

> Ah...a dubious way of explaining away, not working. Must be Mars

> reaching the deep debility point in transit!!

> May be the hazy picture will get a slightly more clear vision

> someday.So do tolerate.

> But do not accept the ayanamsha just because it is said so.

> regards

> rishi

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Why is this so?

> > Why must we buy into this??

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "varun_trvd"

> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Gurujan,

> > >

> > > Ayanansha calculations;

> > >

> > > [ 1 ] Grahlaghav paddhati:

> > >

> > > Deduct 444 from the Saka Samvat and devide the remainder by 60

> one

> > > gets the ayanansha.

> > >

> > > [ shake vedabdhivedonah 444 shashtirbhakto ayanashakah ]

> > >

> > > ---- grahlaghav,ravichandra.shlok 7 !

> > >

> > > [ 2 ] Makarand paddhati :

> > >

> > > step 1 : Deduct 421 from the Saka Samvat. Place the remainder

at

> > two

> > > places.

> > > step 2 : Devide the remainder { result of step 1 } by 10.

> > > step 3 : deduct the result of step 2 from the result of step 1.

> > > step 4 : devide the result of step 3 by 60.

> > >

> > > The result is the ayanansha for that year.

> > >

> > > With naman to all gurujan

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Rishiji,

> > > >

> > > > Since hindi is not my first language, may I request you to

> give

> > me

> > > > the manasagari ayanamsha value for 26 January 1947?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Prafullaji,

> > > > > This reference is from a book called "

> > Sodaharanbhashateekopeta"

> > > of

> > > > > the Mansagari Paddhati more in use in and around UP Hills.

> > > > > First Printed around 1913, and written around the turn of

> > > century.

> > > > > It sums up ayanamsha very succintly!

> > > > > I will give the hindi translation for am not good in

> sanskrit.

> > > > >

> > > > > "shalivahana shaka mein 445 ghata dein jo sheshrahe wah

kala

> > > hota

> > > > > hai, usme saath ka bhaga dein jo labdhi mile so ayanamsha

> hota

> > > hai.

> > > > > Tatkalik ayanamsha karne ke nimitta chaitra shukla

pratipada

> se

> > > > jitne

> > > > > maas gat ho utne gunita paanch paladi kar deve."

> > > > >

> > > > > It is interesting that no one discusses why subtract from

> shaka

> > > > > etc.and no logic is extended.In my curiousity, I have been

> > > asking

> > > > > JKyotishis about their ayanamshas and most who have a

> > successful

> > > > > practice seem nonplussed about this.

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > rishi

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prafulla Gang

> > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rishi ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, there are very little authenticity data available

for

> > > > > the "source" of ancient books / texts / literature. Weak

> human

> > > > mind,

> > > > > often finds reason to back or question its faith /

knowledge

> > (or

> > > > his

> > > > > blind vision).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So what becomes the value of ayanamsa today? In other

> words -

> > > > what

> > > > > is begining point of this ayanamsa correction (55 sec / p.a)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and

> > > another,

> > > > > and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rishi_2000in@

> > > > > > > Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:28:49 -0000

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic

> > > > > astrology...[2

> > > > > > > cents]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prafullaji,

> > > > > > > So far we do not even know that the "words" attributed

> to

> > > > > Parasara or

> > > > > > > Varahmihira are actually theirs or have slipped in

those

> > > > treatises

> > > > > > > sometime over the past centuries.

> > > > > > > Interestingly, there is only one astrological book, I

> have

> > > come

> > > > > > > across so far ( my readings , I must admit very basic)

> > which

> > > > has

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > printed in the nineteenth century and the author

admits

> > > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > > words are his own.

> > > > > > > In this book the author gives a different method of

> > > calculating

> > > > > > > ayanamsa and takes it roughly as 55 seconds/year.

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > rishi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang

> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Ranjan ji

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> There are many controversies in jyotish like in any

> > > subject.

> > > > and

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > is real heart breaking to feel that, prediction does

not

> > > warrant

> > > > > > > correct chart...and even if the chart is wrong, we can

> > still

> > > > > proceed.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Most of ayanamsa definition and their reasonings

> (research

> > > > papers

> > > > > > > etc), still does not answer the basic question - the

> > > ayanamsa

> > > > (or

> > > > > > > planetary calculation basis) used by ancient sages

> including

> > > > > > > Parashar, Varah Mihir etc.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> BTW, I did not add "2 cents" in the thread. I am

rather

> > > devil's

> > > > > > > advocate - partly out of my inquisitiveness and partly

> out

> > of

> > > > > > > ignorance. Ironically, it is difficult to believe /

> digest

> > > (if

> > > > at

> > > > > > > all !!) that, all these years - we were reading /

> > predicting

> > > > from

> > > > > > > wrong chart.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another,

> and

> > > > another,

> > > > > > > and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > >>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:33:08 -0000

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic

> > > > > > > astrology...[2

> > > > > > >>> cents]

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> The just do not call it two cents!

> > > > > > >>> Value of currency changes over a very short time ...

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> So why not call it just "current value" or

> > even 'Potential

> > > > > Value'?

> > > > > > >>> Particularly if you are the accountant/scientific

> type ;-)

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> ANON

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> , Prafulla

Gang

> > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another,

> and

> > > > > > > another, and

> > > > > > >>> another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 8, 2006

Yes Varun ji!

I was focusing more on the 'ayanamsha agenda' you were describing and

mixed up the names!

The ayanamsha issue and comments still remain valid, even if the name

and id changes! :-)

, "varun_trvd"

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Res Rohini ji,

>

> It is a case of misplaced identity. I am Varun Trivedi. You seem to

> be confusing me with Mr. Tarun Chopra who has propounded a new

> Ayanansh and some time back you had placed a horoscope for his

> analysis.

>

> An interesting mix up.

>

> With naman to all gurujan.

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Since you have not felt it necessary to demonstrate through

> examples

> > your radically different ayanamsha, or respond to the example

> > horoscope posted earlier on this forum for you to demonstrate, I

> am

> > not sure what you expect people to do? These are paranoid times,

> in

> > case you had been reading the newspaper or listening to news and

> > watching it on tv.

> >

> > When you finally feel confident enough to share your results

> > sincerely, I am sure a few of us will be here to listen to what

> you

> > have to say and show.

> >

> > Of course I do not speak for anyone other than myself.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "varun_trvd"

> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Res Rohini ji,

> > >

> > > I did not present any axiom.I worked out the ayanansh for the

> > > beginning of the saka samvat for 1947 based on the Makarand and

> > Grah

> > > laghav rule I had stated in my earlier message.

> > > I had shared the rule quoting the shloka from Grah Laghav. I

> assume

> > > you had read that message.

> > > As regards, whether you believe me or not, it is upto you.

> > >

> > > With naman to all gurujan.

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Varun OR Varunji (depending on whether you are younger or

> older)

> > > >

> > > > You present this as some sort of as an axiom, a universal

> truth!

> > > >

> > > > I am a sceptic when it comes to hand-waved statements like

> these!

> > > >

> > > > The very fact that you are telling and willing to share,

> again,

> > is

> > > > telling me that you may have something important to share,

but

> > > please

> > > > share fully and not as some cannonical truth! Or you will not

> be

> > > > believed yet again! How often can you withstand this kind or

> > > > rejection for something that you feel is important to share?

> That

> > > is

> > > > if I am tuning in correctly and you do have something

> important

> > to

> > > > share!

> > > >

> > > > Kaliyugis are sceptic by nature, because the earlier

wonderful

> > > yugas

> > > > Sata, Dwapara, Treta did not last! Those were phases and the

> > > current

> > > > reality is kaliyuga (unless you believe in what Yukteshwara

> > Giriji

> > > > stated. This does sound like dwapara with all these technical

> > > gizmos

> > > > and gadgets!

> > > >

> > > > But let me not spook you fine folks.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "varun_trvd"

> > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Res. Rohini ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > The saka samvat 1869 started on march 23, 1947. On that day

> the

> > > > > grahlaghav ayanansha was 23d45m0s and the makarand

ayanansha

> > was

> > > > > 21d43m12s

> > > > > You could deduct the proportionate monthly progression from

> > this

> > > > > value to arrive at the value on Jan 26, 1947.

> > > > >

> > > > > With naman to all gurujan.

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rishiji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since hindi is not my first language, may I request you

to

> > > give

> > > > me

> > > > > > the manasagari ayanamsha value for 26 January 1947?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prafullaji,

> > > > > > > This reference is from a book called "

> > > > Sodaharanbhashateekopeta"

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the Mansagari Paddhati more in use in and around UP

> Hills.

> > > > > > > First Printed around 1913, and written around the turn

> of

> > > > > century.

> > > > > > > It sums up ayanamsha very succintly!

> > > > > > > I will give the hindi translation for am not good in

> > > sanskrit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "shalivahana shaka mein 445 ghata dein jo sheshrahe wah

> > kala

> > > > > hota

> > > > > > > hai, usme saath ka bhaga dein jo labdhi mile so

> ayanamsha

> > > hota

> > > > > hai.

> > > > > > > Tatkalik ayanamsha karne ke nimitta chaitra shukla

> > pratipada

> > > se

> > > > > > jitne

> > > > > > > maas gat ho utne gunita paanch paladi kar deve."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is interesting that no one discusses why subtract

> from

> > > shaka

> > > > > > > etc.and no logic is extended.In my curiousity, I have

> been

> > > > > asking

> > > > > > > JKyotishis about their ayanamshas and most who have a

> > > > successful

> > > > > > > practice seem nonplussed about this.

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rishi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang

> > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rishi ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes, there are very little authenticity data

available

> > for

> > > > > > > the "source" of ancient books / texts / literature.

Weak

> > > human

> > > > > > mind,

> > > > > > > often finds reason to back or question its faith /

> > knowledge

> > > > (or

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > blind vision).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So what becomes the value of ayanamsa today? In other

> > > words -

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > is begining point of this ayanamsa correction (55 sec /

> p.a)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another,

> and

> > > > > another,

> > > > > > > and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rishi_2000in@

> > > > > > > > > Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:28:49 -0000

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: RE: A controversial article on

> vedic

> > > > > > > astrology...[2

> > > > > > > > > cents]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Prafullaji,

> > > > > > > > > So far we do not even know that the "words"

> attributed

> > > to

> > > > > > > Parasara or

> > > > > > > > > Varahmihira are actually theirs or have slipped in

> > those

> > > > > > treatises

> > > > > > > > > sometime over the past centuries.

> > > > > > > > > Interestingly, there is only one astrological book,

> I

> > > have

> > > > > come

> > > > > > > > > across so far ( my readings , I must admit very

> basic)

> > > > which

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > printed in the nineteenth century and the author

> > admits

> > > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > words are his own.

> > > > > > > > > In this book the author gives a different method of

> > > > > calculating

> > > > > > > > > ayanamsa and takes it roughly as 55 seconds/year.

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > rishi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , Prafulla

> Gang

> > > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Dear Ranjan ji

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> There are many controversies in jyotish like in

any

> > > > > subject.

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > is real heart breaking to feel that, prediction

does

> > not

> > > > > warrant

> > > > > > > > > correct chart...and even if the chart is wrong, we

> can

> > > > still

> > > > > > > proceed.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Most of ayanamsa definition and their reasonings

> > > (research

> > > > > > papers

> > > > > > > > > etc), still does not answer the basic question -

the

> > > > > ayanamsa

> > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > planetary calculation basis) used by ancient sages

> > > including

> > > > > > > > > Parashar, Varah Mihir etc.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> BTW, I did not add "2 cents" in the thread. I am

> > rather

> > > > > devil's

> > > > > > > > > advocate - partly out of my inquisitiveness and

> partly

> > > out

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > ignorance. Ironically, it is difficult to believe /

> > > digest

> > > > > (if

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > all !!) that, all these years - we were reading /

> > > > predicting

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > wrong chart.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make

> another,

> > > and

> > > > > > another,

> > > > > > > > > and another. Keep doing this until you break

> through.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > > >>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:33:08 -0000

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Re: RE: A controversial article on

> vedic

> > > > > > > > > astrology...[2

> > > > > > > > >>> cents]

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> The just do not call it two cents!

> > > > > > > > >>> Value of currency changes over a very short

> time ...

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> So why not call it just "current value" or

> > > > even 'Potential

> > > > > > > Value'?

> > > > > > > > >>> Particularly if you are the accountant/scientific

> > > type ;-)

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> ANON

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> , Prafulla

> > Gang

> > > > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make

> another,

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > another, and

> > > > > > > > >>> another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 8, 2006

Rishi ji

How convenient it is, to say that - we have (or might have) lost the important links. When so much literature is available - none of them have reference to any ayanamsa. Great coincidence !!! If most jyotish scholars are so fanatic to the parashari / other literature..then why doubt? We can either accept in totality or reject any such premise.

I may sound argumentataive, but this missing link is really intriguing.

regards / Prafulla Gang

Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and another, and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

>

> rishi_2000in

> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:56:28 -0000

>

> Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic astrology...[2

> cents]

>

> Precession is an established scientific fact, Sir. The current rate

> is also there to see.

> Just because in the chain of history we have lost some links does

> not mean Parasara etal did not use ayanamsha.

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani wrote:

>>

>> In all fairness Prafulla, I do not believe Parashara or his

>> contemporaries or precedents or followers really needed ayanamshas!

>> Ayanamsha is a recent phenomenon I think.

>>

>> Though sidereal zodiac we follow is up in the sky and the visible

>> zodiac, it is kind of strange if not weird that we need to tune

> into

>> the seasonal zodiac and then back-calculate that which is visible

> and

>> up there!

>>

>> Too bad Brahma did not put a bright star at aries zero up there or

> we

>> would not be hawing and hemming about ayanamsha for centuries!

>>

>> Maybe it is God's way to remind us that East and West must live

>> together as brothers and sisters. Most siblings fight and through

>> fighting they make each other stronger!

>>

>> If you can really survive your sibling and all those life-

> threatening

>> feuds with that vicious brother of yours (usually!), who can

> really

>> hurt you, because if someone really tries to, your sibling would

> be

>> the first one to come to your aid!

>>

>> It is true!

>>

>> RR

>>

>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>> wrote:

>>>

>>> Dear Varun ji

>>>

>>> All fine. The question is - if Parashar or any other sage -

>> mentioned about it and if not, which one they followed?

>>>

>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>

>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and

> another,

>> and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

>>>

>>>>

>>>> varun_trvd@

>>>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:31:35 -0000

>>>>

>>>> Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic

>> astrology...[2

>>>> cents]

>>>>

>>>> Respected Gurujan,

>>>>

>>>> Ayanansha calculations;

>>>>

>>>> [ 1 ] Grahlaghav paddhati:

>>>>

>>>> Deduct 444 from the Saka Samvat and devide the remainder by 60

> one

>>>> gets the ayanansha.

>>>>

>>>> [ shake vedabdhivedonah 444 shashtirbhakto ayanashakah ]

>>>>

>>>> ---- grahlaghav,ravichandra.shlok 7 !

>>>>

>>>> [ 2 ] Makarand paddhati :

>>>>

>>>> step 1 : Deduct 421 from the Saka Samvat. Place the remainder

> at

>> two

>>>> places.

>>>> step 2 : Devide the remainder { result of step 1 } by 10.

>>>> step 3 : deduct the result of step 2 from the result of step 1.

>>>> step 4 : devide the result of step 3 by 60.

>>>>

>>>> The result is the ayanansha for that year.

>>>>

>>>> With naman to all gurujan

>>>>

>>>> Varun Trivedi

>>>>

>>>> , "crystal pages"

>>>> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Rishiji,

>>>>>

>>>>> Since hindi is not my first language, may I request you to

> give

>> me

>>>>> the manasagari ayanamsha value for 26 January 1947?

>>>>>

>>>>> Thanks

>>>>>

>>>>> RR

>>>>>

>>>>> , "rishi_2000in"

>>>>> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Prafullaji,

>>>>>> This reference is from a book called "

> Sodaharanbhashateekopeta"

>>>> of

>>>>>> the Mansagari Paddhati more in use in and around UP Hills.

>>>>>> First Printed around 1913, and written around the turn of

>>>> century.

>>>>>> It sums up ayanamsha very succintly!

>>>>>> I will give the hindi translation for am not good in

> sanskrit.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "shalivahana shaka mein 445 ghata dein jo sheshrahe wah kala

>>>> hota

>>>>>> hai, usme saath ka bhaga dein jo labdhi mile so ayanamsha

> hota

>>>> hai.

>>>>>> Tatkalik ayanamsha karne ke nimitta chaitra shukla pratipada

> se

>>>>> jitne

>>>>>> maas gat ho utne gunita paanch paladi kar deve."

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It is interesting that no one discusses why subtract from

> shaka

>>>>>> etc.and no logic is extended.In my curiousity, I have been

>>>> asking

>>>>>> JKyotishis about their ayanamshas and most who have a

> successful

>>>>>> practice seem nonplussed about this.

>>>>>> regards

>>>>>>

>>>>>> rishi

>>>>>>

>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

>>>> <jyotish@>

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Dear Rishi ji

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Yes, there are very little authenticity data available for

>>>>>> the "source" of ancient books / texts / literature. Weak

> human

>>>>> mind,

>>>>>> often finds reason to back or question its faith / knowledge

> (or

>>>>> his

>>>>>> blind vision).

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> So what becomes the value of ayanamsa today? In other

> words -

>>>>> what

>>>>>> is begining point of this ayanamsa correction (55 sec / p.a)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and

>>>> another,

>>>>>> and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> rishi_2000in@

>>>>>>>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:28:49 -0000

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic

>>>>>> astrology...[2

>>>>>>>> cents]

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Prafullaji,

>>>>>>>> So far we do not even know that the "words" attributed to

>>>>>> Parasara or

>>>>>>>> Varahmihira are actually theirs or have slipped in those

>>>>> treatises

>>>>>>>> sometime over the past centuries.

>>>>>>>> Interestingly, there is only one astrological book, I have

>>>> come

>>>>>>>> across so far ( my readings , I must admit very basic)

> which

>>>>> has

>>>>>> been

>>>>>>>> printed in the nineteenth century and the author admits

>>>> that

>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> words are his own.

>>>>>>>> In this book the author gives a different method of

>>>> calculating

>>>>>>>> ayanamsa and takes it roughly as 55 seconds/year.

>>>>>>>> regards

>>>>>>>> rishi

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

>>>>> <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Dear Ranjan ji

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> There are many controversies in jyotish like in any

>>>> subject.

>>>>> and

>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>> is real heart breaking to feel that, prediction does not

>>>> warrant

>>>>>>>> correct chart...and even if the chart is wrong, we can

> still

>>>>>> proceed.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Most of ayanamsa definition and their reasonings (research

>>>>> papers

>>>>>>>> etc), still does not answer the basic question - the

>>>> ayanamsa

>>>>> (or

>>>>>>>> planetary calculation basis) used by ancient sages

> including

>>>>>>>> Parashar, Varah Mihir etc.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> BTW, I did not add "2 cents" in the thread. I am rather

>>>> devil's

>>>>>>>> advocate - partly out of my inquisitiveness and partly out

> of

>>>>>>>> ignorance. Ironically, it is difficult to believe / digest

>>>> (if

>>>>> at

>>>>>>>> all !!) that, all these years - we were reading /

> predicting

>>>>> from

>>>>>>>> wrong chart.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and

>>>>> another,

>>>>>>>> and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> jyotish_vani@

>>>>>>>>>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:33:08 -0000

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic

>>>>>>>> astrology...[2

>>>>>>>>>> cents]

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The just do not call it two cents!

>>>>>>>>>> Value of currency changes over a very short time ...

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> So why not call it just "current value" or

> even 'Potential

>>>>>> Value'?

>>>>>>>>>> Particularly if you are the accountant/scientific type ;-

> )

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> ANON

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

>>>>>> <jyotish@>

>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and

>>>>>>>> another, and

>>>>>>>>>> another. Keep doing this until you break through.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>

>>

July 8, 2006

Prafulla,

I can honestly state that I am not fanatical about Parashar or

Parashari

(evidence: www.boloji.com/astro the article on astrotreasures ...

The fact that nearly no *classic* mentions about ayanamasha other

than in passing (they did use sayan values for certain things!) tells

me that the calculations they were using were different from what we

are using or else ayanamsha would have been mentioned a bit more

prominently!)

I have noticed this tendency of modern individuals to toss out things

that do not fit their perception of reality. It may be convenient in

an immediate sense but since I still miss books and a collection of

birthdata on blood groups that I painstakingly collected and had to

discard (and miss today when I could put it to good use!) I am a bit

sensitized about throwing the baby out with the bathwater, if you are

familiar with that expression!

RR

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Rishi ji

>

> How convenient it is, to say that - we have (or might have) lost

the important links. When so much literature is available - none of

them have reference to any ayanamsa. Great coincidence !!! If most

jyotish scholars are so fanatic to the parashari / other

literature..then why doubt? We can either accept in totality or

reject any such premise.

>

> I may sound argumentataive, but this missing link is really

intriguing.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and another,

and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

>

> >

> > rishi_2000in

> > Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:56:28 -0000

> >

> > Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic

astrology...[2

> > cents]

> >

> > Precession is an established scientific fact, Sir. The current

rate

> > is also there to see.

> > Just because in the chain of history we have lost some links does

> > not mean Parasara etal did not use ayanamsha.

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >>

> >> In all fairness Prafulla, I do not believe Parashara or his

> >> contemporaries or precedents or followers really needed

ayanamshas!

> >> Ayanamsha is a recent phenomenon I think.

> >>

> >> Though sidereal zodiac we follow is up in the sky and the visible

> >> zodiac, it is kind of strange if not weird that we need to tune

> > into

> >> the seasonal zodiac and then back-calculate that which is visible

> > and

> >> up there!

> >>

> >> Too bad Brahma did not put a bright star at aries zero up there

or

> > we

> >> would not be hawing and hemming about ayanamsha for centuries!

> >>

> >> Maybe it is God's way to remind us that East and West must live

> >> together as brothers and sisters. Most siblings fight and through

> >> fighting they make each other stronger!

> >>

> >> If you can really survive your sibling and all those life-

> > threatening

> >> feuds with that vicious brother of yours (usually!), who can

> > really

> >> hurt you, because if someone really tries to, your sibling would

> > be

> >> the first one to come to your aid!

> >>

> >> It is true!

> >>

> >> RR

> >>

> >> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> >> wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Dear Varun ji

> >>>

> >>> All fine. The question is - if Parashar or any other sage -

> >> mentioned about it and if not, which one they followed?

> >>>

> >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>

> >>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and

> > another,

> >> and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>> varun_trvd@

> >>>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:31:35 -0000

> >>>>

> >>>> Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic

> >> astrology...[2

> >>>> cents]

> >>>>

> >>>> Respected Gurujan,

> >>>>

> >>>> Ayanansha calculations;

> >>>>

> >>>> [ 1 ] Grahlaghav paddhati:

> >>>>

> >>>> Deduct 444 from the Saka Samvat and devide the remainder by 60

> > one

> >>>> gets the ayanansha.

> >>>>

> >>>> [ shake vedabdhivedonah 444 shashtirbhakto ayanashakah ]

> >>>>

> >>>> ---- grahlaghav,ravichandra.shlok 7 !

> >>>>

> >>>> [ 2 ] Makarand paddhati :

> >>>>

> >>>> step 1 : Deduct 421 from the Saka Samvat. Place the remainder

> > at

> >> two

> >>>> places.

> >>>> step 2 : Devide the remainder { result of step 1 } by 10.

> >>>> step 3 : deduct the result of step 2 from the result of step 1.

> >>>> step 4 : devide the result of step 3 by 60.

> >>>>

> >>>> The result is the ayanansha for that year.

> >>>>

> >>>> With naman to all gurujan

> >>>>

> >>>> Varun Trivedi

> >>>>

> >>>> , "crystal pages"

> >>>> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Rishiji,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Since hindi is not my first language, may I request you to

> > give

> >> me

> >>>>> the manasagari ayanamsha value for 26 January 1947?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Thanks

> >>>>>

> >>>>> RR

> >>>>>

> >>>>> , "rishi_2000in"

> >>>>> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Prafullaji,

> >>>>>> This reference is from a book called "

> > Sodaharanbhashateekopeta"

> >>>> of

> >>>>>> the Mansagari Paddhati more in use in and around UP Hills.

> >>>>>> First Printed around 1913, and written around the turn of

> >>>> century.

> >>>>>> It sums up ayanamsha very succintly!

> >>>>>> I will give the hindi translation for am not good in

> > sanskrit.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> "shalivahana shaka mein 445 ghata dein jo sheshrahe wah kala

> >>>> hota

> >>>>>> hai, usme saath ka bhaga dein jo labdhi mile so ayanamsha

> > hota

> >>>> hai.

> >>>>>> Tatkalik ayanamsha karne ke nimitta chaitra shukla pratipada

> > se

> >>>>> jitne

> >>>>>> maas gat ho utne gunita paanch paladi kar deve."

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> It is interesting that no one discusses why subtract from

> > shaka

> >>>>>> etc.and no logic is extended.In my curiousity, I have been

> >>>> asking

> >>>>>> JKyotishis about their ayanamshas and most who have a

> > successful

> >>>>>> practice seem nonplussed about this.

> >>>>>> regards

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> rishi

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> >>>> <jyotish@>

> >>>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Dear Rishi ji

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Yes, there are very little authenticity data available for

> >>>>>> the "source" of ancient books / texts / literature. Weak

> > human

> >>>>> mind,

> >>>>>> often finds reason to back or question its faith / knowledge

> > (or

> >>>>> his

> >>>>>> blind vision).

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> So what becomes the value of ayanamsa today? In other

> > words -

> >>>>> what

> >>>>>> is begining point of this ayanamsa correction (55 sec / p.a)

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and

> >>>> another,

> >>>>>> and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> rishi_2000in@

> >>>>>>>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:28:49 -0000

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic

> >>>>>> astrology...[2

> >>>>>>>> cents]

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Prafullaji,

> >>>>>>>> So far we do not even know that the "words" attributed to

> >>>>>> Parasara or

> >>>>>>>> Varahmihira are actually theirs or have slipped in those

> >>>>> treatises

> >>>>>>>> sometime over the past centuries.

> >>>>>>>> Interestingly, there is only one astrological book, I have

> >>>> come

> >>>>>>>> across so far ( my readings , I must admit very basic)

> > which

> >>>>> has

> >>>>>> been

> >>>>>>>> printed in the nineteenth century and the author admits

> >>>> that

> >>>>> the

> >>>>>>>> words are his own.

> >>>>>>>> In this book the author gives a different method of

> >>>> calculating

> >>>>>>>> ayanamsa and takes it roughly as 55 seconds/year.

> >>>>>>>> regards

> >>>>>>>> rishi

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> >>>>> <jyotish@>

> >>>>>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Dear Ranjan ji

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> There are many controversies in jyotish like in any

> >>>> subject.

> >>>>> and

> >>>>>> it

> >>>>>>>> is real heart breaking to feel that, prediction does not

> >>>> warrant

> >>>>>>>> correct chart...and even if the chart is wrong, we can

> > still

> >>>>>> proceed.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Most of ayanamsa definition and their reasonings (research

> >>>>> papers

> >>>>>>>> etc), still does not answer the basic question - the

> >>>> ayanamsa

> >>>>> (or

> >>>>>>>> planetary calculation basis) used by ancient sages

> > including

> >>>>>>>> Parashar, Varah Mihir etc.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> BTW, I did not add "2 cents" in the thread. I am rather

> >>>> devil's

> >>>>>>>> advocate - partly out of my inquisitiveness and partly out

> > of

> >>>>>>>> ignorance. Ironically, it is difficult to believe / digest

> >>>> (if

> >>>>> at

> >>>>>>>> all !!) that, all these years - we were reading /

> > predicting

> >>>>> from

> >>>>>>>> wrong chart.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and

> >>>>> another,

> >>>>>>>> and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> jyotish_vani@

> >>>>>>>>>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:33:08 -0000

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic

> >>>>>>>> astrology...[2

> >>>>>>>>>> cents]

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> The just do not call it two cents!

> >>>>>>>>>> Value of currency changes over a very short time ...

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> So why not call it just "current value" or

> > even 'Potential

> >>>>>> Value'?

> >>>>>>>>>> Particularly if you are the accountant/scientific type ;-

> > )

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> ANON

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> >>>>>> <jyotish@>

> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and

> >>>>>>>> another, and

> >>>>>>>>>> another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> >>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>

> >>

>

July 8, 2006

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Learned Members,

I have also read that very article....

Welll.....in one word,all our Holy scriptures are controversial

itself...In Ramayan, we found Lord Parashurama tested Lord

Ramachandra's excellence(mark, both are Avtars of Vishnu), by giving

him a Dhanush....

Now come to back to Mahabharata, here we find Parashurama gave

lessons to Karna for archery...

As per Mahabharata, Parasara was the father of Veda Vyasa, who

dictated the story of Mahabharata...now the same Parasara was

present during the funeral rites of Bheesma...

Veda Vyasa is said to have written 18 mahapuranas, he categorised

Vedas into four parts, wrote Harivamsha...finally to get peace he

wrote Shreemat Bhagavatam..Now the question arises how a single

person can do this within a single life..thats y people often opined

that "Vyasa" was a title during that time,,

Now lets come back to Puranas again...

Various Puranas talk about the origin of Salagram Silas, Tulsi tree

& Conchshells..Nowadays, scientists r saying that Shaligram Silas

are actually ammonite fossils...so wut will an ardent worshipper

will do now??Will he stop worshipping considering it to be a mere

stone & not a form of Vishnu???

We need to cream of the Vedas, Vedangas, Upanishads, Puranas,

tantras etc...

When i was in class-10..i took the pain to Buy & read Vedas...before

i read puranas, viz., Vishnu Puran, kalki puran & Kalika Puran...

In puranas i read about Urvasi, the damsel of the heaven, Pururava,

the king of Martyaloka, while they got married & gave birth to a

son, whose name is "Aayu"...

In rigveda, i found two fire kindling woods...names of each being

Urvashi & Pururava...& they fire that is kiddled is "Aayu"....now

which is correct??Vedas or Puranas...

So as i said...we need to take the cream out of it...

Thanq,

With Humbleness,

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear brother Rishi,

>

> I would not fall out of my chair if we modern followers of

Parashara

> were to find out that despite our phenomenal

> worldly/material/engineering type cerebral progress and

discoveries,

> contemporaries of Parashara had a direct way of calculating

> astrological bits and bytes!

>

> This 'drik' (drishta) ganit kind of tugs at my heart. What is it?

> Does anyone here know and can shed light upon? Why is it called

drik,

> and not adrishta ganit, like what we utilize now? More like

sparshya

> ganit (summer when it is hot, winter when it is cold)?

>

> Math has always been a big challenge for me personally and I am

> envious of all these math types that are interested in jyotish.

> Surely, they and not people like me, math-challenged as I am, must

be

> providing answers to such question :-)

>

> Until then -- I would rather be in limbo than in a hammock or arm-

> chair ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > Precession is an established scientific fact, Sir. The current

rate

> > is also there to see.

> > Just because in the chain of history we have lost some links

does

> > not mean Parasara etal did not use ayanamsha.

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > In all fairness Prafulla, I do not believe Parashara or his

> > > contemporaries or precedents or followers really needed

> ayanamshas!

> > > Ayanamsha is a recent phenomenon I think.

> > >

> > > Though sidereal zodiac we follow is up in the sky and the

visible

> > > zodiac, it is kind of strange if not weird that we need to

tune

> > into

> > > the seasonal zodiac and then back-calculate that which is

visible

> > and

> > > up there!

> > >

> > > Too bad Brahma did not put a bright star at aries zero up

there

> or

> > we

> > > would not be hawing and hemming about ayanamsha for centuries!

> > >

> > > Maybe it is God's way to remind us that East and West must

live

> > > together as brothers and sisters. Most siblings fight and

through

> > > fighting they make each other stronger!

> > >

> > > If you can really survive your sibling and all those life-

> > threatening

> > > feuds with that vicious brother of yours (usually!), who can

> > really

> > > hurt you, because if someone really tries to, your sibling

would

> > be

> > > the first one to come to your aid!

> > >

> > > It is true!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Varun ji

> > > >

> > > > All fine. The question is - if Parashar or any other sage -

> > > mentioned about it and if not, which one they followed?

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >

> > > > Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and

> > another,

> > > and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > varun_trvd@

> > > > > Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:31:35 -0000

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic

> > > astrology...[2

> > > > > cents]

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Gurujan,

> > > > >

> > > > > Ayanansha calculations;

> > > > >

> > > > > [ 1 ] Grahlaghav paddhati:

> > > > >

> > > > > Deduct 444 from the Saka Samvat and devide the remainder

by

> 60

> > one

> > > > > gets the ayanansha.

> > > > >

> > > > > [ shake vedabdhivedonah 444 shashtirbhakto ayanashakah ]

> > > > >

> > > > > ----

grahlaghav,ravichandra.shlok

> 7 !

> > > > >

> > > > > [ 2 ] Makarand paddhati :

> > > > >

> > > > > step 1 : Deduct 421 from the Saka Samvat. Place the

remainder

> > at

> > > two

> > > > > places.

> > > > > step 2 : Devide the remainder { result of step 1 } by 10.

> > > > > step 3 : deduct the result of step 2 from the result of

step

> 1.

> > > > > step 4 : devide the result of step 3 by 60.

> > > > >

> > > > > The result is the ayanansha for that year.

> > > > >

> > > > > With naman to all gurujan

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Rishiji,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Since hindi is not my first language, may I request you

to

> > give

> > > me

> > > > >> the manasagari ayanamsha value for 26 January 1947?

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Thanks

> > > > >>

> > > > >> RR

> > > > >>

> > > > >> , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > >> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Prafullaji,

> > > > >>> This reference is from a book called "

> > Sodaharanbhashateekopeta"

> > > > > of

> > > > >>> the Mansagari Paddhati more in use in and around UP

Hills.

> > > > >>> First Printed around 1913, and written around the turn

of

> > > > > century.

> > > > >>> It sums up ayanamsha very succintly!

> > > > >>> I will give the hindi translation for am not good in

> > sanskrit.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> "shalivahana shaka mein 445 ghata dein jo sheshrahe wah

kala

> > > > > hota

> > > > >>> hai, usme saath ka bhaga dein jo labdhi mile so

ayanamsha

> > hota

> > > > > hai.

> > > > >>> Tatkalik ayanamsha karne ke nimitta chaitra shukla

> pratipada

> > se

> > > > >> jitne

> > > > >>> maas gat ho utne gunita paanch paladi kar deve."

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> It is interesting that no one discusses why subtract

from

> > shaka

> > > > >>> etc.and no logic is extended.In my curiousity, I have

been

> > > > > asking

> > > > >>> JKyotishis about their ayanamshas and most who have a

> > successful

> > > > >>> practice seem nonplussed about this.

> > > > >>> regards

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> rishi

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> , Prafulla Gang

> > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Dear Rishi ji

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Yes, there are very little authenticity data available

for

> > > > >>> the "source" of ancient books / texts / literature. Weak

> > human

> > > > >> mind,

> > > > >>> often finds reason to back or question its faith /

> knowledge

> > (or

> > > > >> his

> > > > >>> blind vision).

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> So what becomes the value of ayanamsa today? In other

> > words -

> > > > >> what

> > > > >>> is begining point of this ayanamsa correction (55 sec /

p.a)

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and

> > > > > another,

> > > > >>> and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> rishi_2000in@

> > > > >>>>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:28:49 -0000

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic

> > > > >>> astrology...[2

> > > > >>>>> cents]

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Prafullaji,

> > > > >>>>> So far we do not even know that the "words" attributed

to

> > > > >>> Parasara or

> > > > >>>>> Varahmihira are actually theirs or have slipped in

those

> > > > >> treatises

> > > > >>>>> sometime over the past centuries.

> > > > >>>>> Interestingly, there is only one astrological book, I

have

> > > > > come

> > > > >>>>> across so far ( my readings , I must admit very basic)

> > which

> > > > >> has

> > > > >>> been

> > > > >>>>> printed in the nineteenth century and the author

admits

> > > > > that

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>> words are his own.

> > > > >>>>> In this book the author gives a different method of

> > > > > calculating

> > > > >>>>> ayanamsa and takes it roughly as 55 seconds/year.

> > > > >>>>> regards

> > > > >>>>> rishi

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> , Prafulla Gang

> > > > >> <jyotish@>

> > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Dear Ranjan ji

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> There are many controversies in jyotish like in any

> > > > > subject.

> > > > >> and

> > > > >>> it

> > > > >>>>> is real heart breaking to feel that, prediction does

not

> > > > > warrant

> > > > >>>>> correct chart...and even if the chart is wrong, we can

> > still

> > > > >>> proceed.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Most of ayanamsa definition and their reasonings

> (research

> > > > >> papers

> > > > >>>>> etc), still does not answer the basic question - the

> > > > > ayanamsa

> > > > >> (or

> > > > >>>>> planetary calculation basis) used by ancient sages

> > including

> > > > >>>>> Parashar, Varah Mihir etc.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> BTW, I did not add "2 cents" in the thread. I am

rather

> > > > > devil's

> > > > >>>>> advocate - partly out of my inquisitiveness and partly

> out

> > of

> > > > >>>>> ignorance. Ironically, it is difficult to believe /

digest

> > > > > (if

> > > > >> at

> > > > >>>>> all !!) that, all these years - we were reading /

> > predicting

> > > > >> from

> > > > >>>>> wrong chart.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another,

and

> > > > >> another,

> > > > >>>>> and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> jyotish_vani@

> > > > >>>>>>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:33:08 -0000

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Re: RE: A controversial article on

vedic

> > > > >>>>> astrology...[2

> > > > >>>>>>> cents]

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> The just do not call it two cents!

> > > > >>>>>>> Value of currency changes over a very short time ...

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> So why not call it just "current value" or

> > even 'Potential

> > > > >>> Value'?

> > > > >>>>>>> Particularly if you are the accountant/scientific

> type ;-

> > )

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> ANON

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> , Prafulla

Gang

> > > > >>> <jyotish@>

> > > > >>>>>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make

another,

> and

> > > > >>>>> another, and

> > > > >>>>>>> another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 9, 2006

Dear rishi i would like to know if you have tried this ayanamsha

*01/01/1155 and precession rate is

50.2719 seconds / year this date i consider when sidereal zodiac and

tropical were same. now if you calculate any chart you will find a big

difference between the charts you have seen with other ayanaamsha there will

be 12 degree three minutes differences. now you will see that dasha which

you will get will be so right that every time the dasha changes, first

level, second level, third level you will have an event on the same date as

the dasha gets changes.

if you need horoscope with the new ayanamsha you can write me for this

with best wishes

Tarun Chopra

naastrology/

www.occultwizard.com

*

On 7/9/06, rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in > wrote:

>

> Decades ago, a distinguished person used to lure me in a game of

> chess and beat me convincingly. He would lead me in a trap, pitfall

> and a swindle with a straight face. Only the twinkle in his eyes

> would at times reveal the trap. It was a great learning process

> though for a beginner. Now much later in the journey of life,

> innocuous phrases like, `'math challenged" and "hindi not my first

> language" are once again leading me in such openings. My opening and

> middle game much better now though. I should be able to skirt around

> these. Still a great learning process though!

> The fact remains that the very basis of Jyotish , the ayanamsha which

> decides the values remains unresolved.

> The fact also remains that most of the commonly used Ayanamshas

> revolve around plus minus 3 degrees of the Lahiri chitrapaksha.

> The fact also remains that the tropical astrology is also right.

> The fact remains that there can be more than one approach and one

> route to climb a mountain and yet reach the same place.

> The fact also remains that non -astrological divinations also give

> similar answers.

> The same rasagulla tastes different when eaten at different places

> with different people.

> And why does food cooked by Ma always taste the same?

> So the journey of life continues........

>

> Regards

>

> rishi

>

> <%40>,

> "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani wrote:

> >

> > I did confess years ago that I am math-challenged, bhaiyaa :-(

> > All I can share is that, as I have done privately with you and

> > others, I am amazed at the number of times when different

> ayanamshas

> > (not too far away from Raman and Lahiri for instance) have both

> shown

> > different but concordant indicators pointing towards the same

> bottom

> > line!

> >

> > This is eerie and really bothered me for a long time, still does.

> > That is when my western siblings came in handy! If they can get a

> > demonstrably accurate reading using a coordinate that is 23 degrees

> > different, why should I be griping about a difference of 87 minutes?

> >

> > It is not ideal, but I am not the one who ever called it a science!

> > Ask those who jump up and down claiming that IT is!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > <%40>,

> "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > -Exactly, in all fairness the calculations should be obvious and

> > not

> > > too complicated.

> > > Please do continue to give us a bit of the 20/20 clarity!

> > > regards

> > >

> > > rishi

> > >

> > > -- In <%40>,

> "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear brother Rishi,

> > > >

> > > > I would not fall out of my chair if we modern followers of

> > > Parashara

> > > > were to find out that despite our phenomenal

> > > > worldly/material/engineering type cerebral progress and

> > > discoveries,

> > > > contemporaries of Parashara had a direct way of calculating

> > > > astrological bits and bytes!

> > > >

> > > > This 'drik' (drishta) ganit kind of tugs at my heart. What is

> it?

> > > > Does anyone here know and can shed light upon? Why is it called

> > > drik,

> > > > and not adrishta ganit, like what we utilize now? More like

> > > sparshya

> > > > ganit (summer when it is hot, winter when it is cold)?

> > > >

> > > > Math has always been a big challenge for me personally and I am

> > > > envious of all these math types that are interested in jyotish.

> > > > Surely, they and not people like me, math-challenged as I am,

> > must

> > > be

> > > > providing answers to such question :-)

> > > >

> > > > Until then -- I would rather be in limbo than in a hammock or

> arm-

> > > > chair ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> "rishi_2000in"

> > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Precession is an established scientific fact, Sir. The

> current

> > > rate

> > > > > is also there to see.

> > > > > Just because in the chain of history we have lost some links

> > > does

> > > > > not mean Parasara etal did not use ayanamsha.

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>,

> "crystal pages"

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In all fairness Prafulla, I do not believe Parashara or his

> > > > > > contemporaries or precedents or followers really needed

> > > > ayanamshas!

> > > > > > Ayanamsha is a recent phenomenon I think.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Though sidereal zodiac we follow is up in the sky and the

> > > visible

> > > > > > zodiac, it is kind of strange if not weird that we need to

> > > tune

> > > > > into

> > > > > > the seasonal zodiac and then back-calculate that which is

> > > visible

> > > > > and

> > > > > > up there!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Too bad Brahma did not put a bright star at aries zero up

> > > there

> > > > or

> > > > > we

> > > > > > would not be hawing and hemming about ayanamsha for

> centuries!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maybe it is God's way to remind us that East and West must

> > > live

> > > > > > together as brothers and sisters. Most siblings fight and

> > > through

> > > > > > fighting they make each other stronger!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you can really survive your sibling and all those life-

> > > > > threatening

> > > > > > feuds with that vicious brother of yours (usually!), who

> can

> > > > > really

> > > > > > hurt you, because if someone really tries to, your sibling

> > > would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > the first one to come to your aid!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is true!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>,

> Prafulla Gang

> > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Varun ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All fine. The question is - if Parashar or any other

> sage -

> >

> > > > > > mentioned about it and if not, which one they followed?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and

> > > > > another,

> > > > > > and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > varun_trvd@

> > > > > > > > Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:31:35 -0000

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic

> > > > > > astrology...[2

> > > > > > > > cents]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Gurujan,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ayanansha calculations;

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Grahlaghav paddhati:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Deduct 444 from the Saka Samvat and devide the

> remainder

> > > by

> > > > 60

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > gets the ayanansha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [ shake vedabdhivedonah 444 shashtirbhakto ayanashakah ]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ----

> > > grahlaghav,ravichandra.shlok

> > > > 7 !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [ 2 ] Makarand paddhati :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > step 1 : Deduct 421 from the Saka Samvat. Place the

> > > remainder

> > > > > at

> > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > places.

> > > > > > > > step 2 : Devide the remainder { result of step 1 } by

> 10.

> > > > > > > > step 3 : deduct the result of step 2 from the result of

> > > step

> > > > 1.

> > > > > > > > step 4 : devide the result of step 3 by 60.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The result is the ayanansha for that year.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With naman to all gurujan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%40>,

> "crystal pages"

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Rishiji,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Since hindi is not my first language, may I request

> you

> > > to

> > > > > give

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > >> the manasagari ayanamsha value for 26 January 1947?

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Thanks

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> RR

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> <%40>,

> "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > > > >> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Prafullaji,

> > > > > > > >>> This reference is from a book called "

> > > > > Sodaharanbhashateekopeta"

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>> the Mansagari Paddhati more in use in and around UP

> > > Hills.

> > > > > > > >>> First Printed around 1913, and written around the

> turn

> > > of

> > > > > > > > century.

> > > > > > > >>> It sums up ayanamsha very succintly!

> > > > > > > >>> I will give the hindi translation for am not good in

> > > > > sanskrit.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> "shalivahana shaka mein 445 ghata dein jo sheshrahe

> wah

> > > kala

> > > > > > > > hota

> > > > > > > >>> hai, usme saath ka bhaga dein jo labdhi mile so

> > > ayanamsha

> > > > > hota

> > > > > > > > hai.

> > > > > > > >>> Tatkalik ayanamsha karne ke nimitta chaitra shukla

> > > > pratipada

> > > > > se

> > > > > > > >> jitne

> > > > > > > >>> maas gat ho utne gunita paanch paladi kar deve."

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> It is interesting that no one discusses why subtract

> > > from

> > > > > shaka

> > > > > > > >>> etc.and no logic is extended.In my curiousity, I have

> > > been

> > > > > > > > asking

> > > > > > > >>> JKyotishis about their ayanamshas and most who have a

> > > > > successful

> > > > > > > >>> practice seem nonplussed about this.

> > > > > > > >>> regards

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> rishi

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> <%40>,

> Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Rishi ji

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Yes, there are very little authenticity data

> available

> > > for

> > > > > > > >>> the "source" of ancient books / texts / literature.

> > Weak

> > > > > human

> > > > > > > >> mind,

> > > > > > > >>> often finds reason to back or question its faith /

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > (or

> > > > > > > >> his

> > > > > > > >>> blind vision).

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> So what becomes the value of ayanamsa today? In

> other

> > > > > words -

> > > > > > > >> what

> > > > > > > >>> is begining point of this ayanamsa correction (55

> sec /

> > > p.a)

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another,

> > and

> > > > > > > > another,

> > > > > > > >>> and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> rishi_2000in@

> > > > > > > >>>>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:28:49 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>>> <%40>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Re: RE: A controversial article on

> vedic

> > > > > > > >>> astrology...[2

> > > > > > > >>>>> cents]

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Prafullaji,

> > > > > > > >>>>> So far we do not even know that the "words"

> > attributed

> > > to

> > > > > > > >>> Parasara or

> > > > > > > >>>>> Varahmihira are actually theirs or have slipped in

> > > those

> > > > > > > >> treatises

> > > > > > > >>>>> sometime over the past centuries.

> > > > > > > >>>>> Interestingly, there is only one astrological book,

> I

> > > have

> > > > > > > > come

> > > > > > > >>>>> across so far ( my readings , I must admit very

> > basic)

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > >> has

> > > > > > > >>> been

> > > > > > > >>>>> printed in the nineteenth century and the author

> > > admits

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > >> the

> > > > > > > >>>>> words are his own.

> > > > > > > >>>>> In this book the author gives a different method of

> > > > > > > > calculating

> > > > > > > >>>>> ayanamsa and takes it roughly as 55 seconds/year.

> > > > > > > >>>>> regards

> > > > > > > >>>>> rishi

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> <%40>,

> Prafulla

> Gang

> > > > > > > >> <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Ranjan ji

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> There are many controversies in jyotish like in any

> > > > > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > >> and

> > > > > > > >>> it

> > > > > > > >>>>> is real heart breaking to feel that, prediction

> does

> > > not

> > > > > > > > warrant

> > > > > > > >>>>> correct chart...and even if the chart is wrong, we

> > can

> > > > > still

> > > > > > > >>> proceed.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Most of ayanamsa definition and their reasonings

> > > > (research

> > > > > > > >> papers

> > > > > > > >>>>> etc), still does not answer the basic question - the

> > > > > > > > ayanamsa

> > > > > > > >> (or

> > > > > > > >>>>> planetary calculation basis) used by ancient sages

> > > > > including

> > > > > > > >>>>> Parashar, Varah Mihir etc.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> BTW, I did not add "2 cents" in the thread. I am

> > > rather

> > > > > > > > devil's

> > > > > > > >>>>> advocate - partly out of my inquisitiveness and

> > partly

> > > > out

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>>>> ignorance. Ironically, it is difficult to believe /

> > > digest

> > > > > > > > (if

> > > > > > > >> at

> > > > > > > >>>>> all !!) that, all these years - we were reading /

> > > > > predicting

> > > > > > > >> from

> > > > > > > >>>>> wrong chart.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make

> another,

> > > and

> > > > > > > >> another,

> > > > > > > >>>>> and another. Keep doing this until you break

> through.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:33:08 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> <%40>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Re: RE: A controversial article on

> > > vedic

> > > > > > > >>>>> astrology...[2

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> cents]

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> The just do not call it two cents!

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Value of currency changes over a very short

> time ...

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> So why not call it just "current value" or

> > > > > even 'Potential

> > > > > > > >>> Value'?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Particularly if you are the accountant/scientific

> > > > type ;-

> > > > > )

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> ANON

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> <%40>,

> Prafulla

> > > Gang

> > > > > > > >>> <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make

> > > another,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > >>>>> another, and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

--

http://www.occultwizard.com/

naastrology/

July 9, 2006

Dear Tatvamasi

can you tell me from where can i get this book

regards

Tarun Chopra

On 7/9/06, Tatvamasi <om_tatsat_om > wrote:

>

> Chi. Tarun,

>

> If you want to test your Ayanamsha, I would suggest you to buy any book

> (Daiva Keralam) which gives detailed result of any Nadiamsha.

> Check the result of any Nadi amsha say Padmasha or Prabhamsha etc ..You

> would notice that a mere difference of 2 minutes will alter the results

> drammatically.

> In using your Ayanmsha, no body will have any objection provided your

> Ayanamsha gives a Nadiamsha which describes the life events of any jathaka

> correctly.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> Tarun Chopra <occultwizard.tarun <occultwizard.tarun%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> Dear rishi i would like to know if you have tried this ayanamsha

> *01/01/1155 and precession rate is

> 50.2719 seconds / year this date i consider when sidereal zodiac and

> tropical were same. now if you calculate any chart you will find a big

> difference between the charts you have seen with other ayanaamsha there

> will

> be 12 degree three minutes differences. now you will see that dasha which

> you will get will be so right that every time the dasha changes, first

> level, second level, third level you will have an event on the same date

> as

> the dasha gets changes.

>

> if you need horoscope with the new ayanamsha you can write me for this

>

> with best wishes

>

> Tarun Chopra

> naastrology/

> www.occultwizard.com

> *

> On 7/9/06, rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in%40>>

> wrote:

> >

> > Decades ago, a distinguished person used to lure me in a game of

> > chess and beat me convincingly. He would lead me in a trap, pitfall

> > and a swindle with a straight face. Only the twinkle in his eyes

> > would at times reveal the trap. It was a great learning process

> > though for a beginner. Now much later in the journey of life,

> > innocuous phrases like, `'math challenged" and "hindi not my first

> > language" are once again leading me in such openings. My opening and

> > middle game much better now though. I should be able to skirt around

> > these. Still a great learning process though!

> > The fact remains that the very basis of Jyotish , the ayanamsha which

> > decides the values remains unresolved.

> > The fact also remains that most of the commonly used Ayanamshas

> > revolve around plus minus 3 degrees of the Lahiri chitrapaksha.

> > The fact also remains that the tropical astrology is also right.

> > The fact remains that there can be more than one approach and one

> > route to climb a mountain and yet reach the same place.

> > The fact also remains that non -astrological divinations also give

> > similar answers.

> > The same rasagulla tastes different when eaten at different places

> > with different people.

> > And why does food cooked by Ma always taste the same?

> > So the journey of life continues........

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > rishi

> >

> > <%40>

> <%40>,

> > "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani wrote:

> > >

> > > I did confess years ago that I am math-challenged, bhaiyaa :-(

> > > All I can share is that, as I have done privately with you and

> > > others, I am amazed at the number of times when different

> > ayanamshas

> > > (not too far away from Raman and Lahiri for instance) have both

> > shown

> > > different but concordant indicators pointing towards the same

> > bottom

> > > line!

> > >

> > > This is eerie and really bothered me for a long time, still does.

> > > That is when my western siblings came in handy! If they can get a

> > > demonstrably accurate reading using a coordinate that is 23 degrees

> > > different, why should I be griping about a difference of 87 minutes?

> > >

> > > It is not ideal, but I am not the one who ever called it a science!

> > > Ask those who jump up and down claiming that IT is!!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > <%40>

> <%40>,

> > "rishi_2000in"

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > -Exactly, in all fairness the calculations should be obvious and

> > > not

> > > > too complicated.

> > > > Please do continue to give us a bit of the 20/20 clarity!

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > rishi

> > > >

> > > > -- In <%40>

> <%40>,

> > "crystal pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear brother Rishi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I would not fall out of my chair if we modern followers of

> > > > Parashara

> > > > > were to find out that despite our phenomenal

> > > > > worldly/material/engineering type cerebral progress and

> > > > discoveries,

> > > > > contemporaries of Parashara had a direct way of calculating

> > > > > astrological bits and bytes!

> > > > >

> > > > > This 'drik' (drishta) ganit kind of tugs at my heart. What is

> > it?

> > > > > Does anyone here know and can shed light upon? Why is it called

> > > > drik,

> > > > > and not adrishta ganit, like what we utilize now? More like

> > > > sparshya

> > > > > ganit (summer when it is hot, winter when it is cold)?

> > > > >

> > > > > Math has always been a big challenge for me personally and I am

> > > > > envious of all these math types that are interested in jyotish.

> > > > > Surely, they and not people like me, math-challenged as I am,

> > > must

> > > > be

> > > > > providing answers to such question :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Until then -- I would rather be in limbo than in a hammock or

> > arm-

> > > > > chair ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> <%40>,

> > "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Precession is an established scientific fact, Sir. The

> > current

> > > > rate

> > > > > > is also there to see.

> > > > > > Just because in the chain of history we have lost some links

> > > > does

> > > > > > not mean Parasara etal did not use ayanamsha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> <%40>,

> > "crystal pages"

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In all fairness Prafulla, I do not believe Parashara or his

> > > > > > > contemporaries or precedents or followers really needed

> > > > > ayanamshas!

> > > > > > > Ayanamsha is a recent phenomenon I think.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Though sidereal zodiac we follow is up in the sky and the

> > > > visible

> > > > > > > zodiac, it is kind of strange if not weird that we need to

> > > > tune

> > > > > > into

> > > > > > > the seasonal zodiac and then back-calculate that which is

> > > > visible

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > up there!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Too bad Brahma did not put a bright star at aries zero up

> > > > there

> > > > > or

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > would not be hawing and hemming about ayanamsha for

> > centuries!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Maybe it is God's way to remind us that East and West must

> > > > live

> > > > > > > together as brothers and sisters. Most siblings fight and

> > > > through

> > > > > > > fighting they make each other stronger!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you can really survive your sibling and all those life-

> > > > > > threatening

> > > > > > > feuds with that vicious brother of yours (usually!), who

> > can

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > > hurt you, because if someone really tries to, your sibling

> > > > would

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > the first one to come to your aid!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is true!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>

> <%40>,

> > Prafulla Gang

> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Varun ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All fine. The question is - if Parashar or any other

> > sage -

> > >

> > > > > > > mentioned about it and if not, which one they followed?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another, and

> > > > > > another,

> > > > > > > and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > varun_trvd@

> > > > > > > > > Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:31:35 -0000

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> <%40>

> > > > > > > > > Re: RE: A controversial article on vedic

> > > > > > > astrology...[2

> > > > > > > > > cents]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Gurujan,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ayanansha calculations;

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Grahlaghav paddhati:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Deduct 444 from the Saka Samvat and devide the

> > remainder

> > > > by

> > > > > 60

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > gets the ayanansha.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [ shake vedabdhivedonah 444 shashtirbhakto ayanashakah ]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ----

> > > > grahlaghav,ravichandra.shlok

> > > > > 7 !

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] Makarand paddhati :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > step 1 : Deduct 421 from the Saka Samvat. Place the

> > > > remainder

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > > places.

> > > > > > > > > step 2 : Devide the remainder { result of step 1 } by

> > 10.

> > > > > > > > > step 3 : deduct the result of step 2 from the result of

> > > > step

> > > > > 1.

> > > > > > > > > step 4 : devide the result of step 3 by 60.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The result is the ayanansha for that year.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With naman to all gurujan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> <%40>,

> > "crystal pages"

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Rishiji,

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Since hindi is not my first language, may I request

> > you

> > > > to

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > >> the manasagari ayanamsha value for 26 January 1947?

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Thanks

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> RR

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> <%40>

> <%40>,

> > "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > > > > >> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Prafullaji,

> > > > > > > > >>> This reference is from a book called "

> > > > > > Sodaharanbhashateekopeta"

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>> the Mansagari Paddhati more in use in and around UP

> > > > Hills.

> > > > > > > > >>> First Printed around 1913, and written around the

> > turn

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > century.

> > > > > > > > >>> It sums up ayanamsha very succintly!

> > > > > > > > >>> I will give the hindi translation for am not good in

> > > > > > sanskrit.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> "shalivahana shaka mein 445 ghata dein jo sheshrahe

> > wah

> > > > kala

> > > > > > > > > hota

> > > > > > > > >>> hai, usme saath ka bhaga dein jo labdhi mile so

> > > > ayanamsha

> > > > > > hota

> > > > > > > > > hai.

> > > > > > > > >>> Tatkalik ayanamsha karne ke nimitta chaitra shukla

> > > > > pratipada

> > > > > > se

> > > > > > > > >> jitne

> > > > > > > > >>> maas gat ho utne gunita paanch paladi kar deve."

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> It is interesting that no one discusses why subtract

> > > > from

> > > > > > shaka

> > > > > > > > >>> etc.and no logic is extended.In my curiousity, I have

> > > > been

> > > > > > > > > asking

> > > > > > > > >>> JKyotishis about their ayanamshas and most who have a

> > > > > > successful

> > > > > > > > >>> practice seem nonplussed about this.

> > > > > > > > >>> regards

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> rishi

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> <%40>

> <%40>,

> > Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > >>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Dear Rishi ji

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Yes, there are very little authenticity data

> > available

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > >>> the "source" of ancient books / texts / literature.

> > > Weak

> > > > > > human

> > > > > > > > >> mind,

> > > > > > > > >>> often finds reason to back or question its faith /

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > >> his

> > > > > > > > >>> blind vision).

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> So what becomes the value of ayanamsa today? In

> > other

> > > > > > words -

> > > > > > > > >> what

> > > > > > > > >>> is begining point of this ayanamsa correction (55

> > sec /

> > > > p.a)

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make another,

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > another,

> > > > > > > > >>> and another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> rishi_2000in@

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:28:49 -0000

> > > > > > > > >>>>> <%40>

> <%40>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Re: RE: A controversial article on

> > vedic

> > > > > > > > >>> astrology...[2

> > > > > > > > >>>>> cents]

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Prafullaji,

> > > > > > > > >>>>> So far we do not even know that the "words"

> > > attributed

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > >>> Parasara or

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Varahmihira are actually theirs or have slipped in

> > > > those

> > > > > > > > >> treatises

> > > > > > > > >>>>> sometime over the past centuries.

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Interestingly, there is only one astrological book,

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > >>>>> across so far ( my readings , I must admit very

> > > basic)

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > >> has

> > > > > > > > >>> been

> > > > > > > > >>>>> printed in the nineteenth century and the author

> > > > admits

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > >> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>> words are his own.

> > > > > > > > >>>>> In this book the author gives a different method of

> > > > > > > > > calculating

> > > > > > > > >>>>> ayanamsa and takes it roughly as 55 seconds/year.

> > > > > > > > >>>>> regards

> > > > > > > > >>>>> rishi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> <%40>

> <%40>,

> > Prafulla

> > Gang

> > > > > > > > >> <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Ranjan ji

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> There are many controversies in jyotish like in any

> > > > > > > > > subject.

> > > > > > > > >> and

> > > > > > > > >>> it

> > > > > > > > >>>>> is real heart breaking to feel that, prediction

> > does

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > warrant

> > > > > > > > >>>>> correct chart...and even if the chart is wrong, we

> > > can

> > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > >>> proceed.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Most of ayanamsa definition and their reasonings

> > > > > (research

> > > > > > > > >> papers

> > > > > > > > >>>>> etc), still does not answer the basic question - the

> > > > > > > > > ayanamsa

> > > > > > > > >> (or

> > > > > > > > >>>>> planetary calculation basis) used by ancient sages

> > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Parashar, Varah Mihir etc.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> BTW, I did not add "2 cents" in the thread. I am

> > > > rather

> > > > > > > > > devil's

> > > > > > > > >>>>> advocate - partly out of my inquisitiveness and

> > > partly

> > > > > out

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>>>> ignorance. Ironically, it is difficult to believe /

> > > > digest

> > > > > > > > > (if

> > > > > > > > >> at

> > > > > > > > >>>>> all !!) that, all these years - we were reading /

> > > > > > predicting

> > > > > > > > >> from

> > > > > > > > >>>>> wrong chart.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make

> > another,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > >> another,

> > > > > > > > >>>>> and another. Keep doing this until you break

> > through.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:33:08 -0000

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> <%40>

> <%40>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Re: RE: A controversial article on

> > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > >>>>> astrology...[2

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> cents]

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> The just do not call it two cents!

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Value of currency changes over a very short

> > time ...

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> So why not call it just "current value" or

> > > > > > even 'Potential

> > > > > > > > >>> Value'?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Particularly if you are the accountant/scientific

> > > > > type ;-

> > > > > > )

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> ANON

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> <%40>

> <%40>,

> > Prafulla

> > > > Gang

> > > > > > > > >>> <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Make a decision! If that doesn't work, make

> > > > another,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >>>>> another, and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> another. Keep doing this until you break through.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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