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On 5-Jul-06, at 7:40 AM, ayurveda wrote:

 

> Dear Dr.Venugopal,

> I do agree with views of Dr.Venugopal on Dhara. Even I have also

> experienced excellent results with Dhara. But that does not rule

> out importance of Psychotherapy or other therapies ! Rather one of

> the trividha pariksha is Prashna Pariksha on which entire

> counselling technique & psychotherapy can be explained.

 

dear dr. venugopal and dr. phadke

 

i agree too that dhara is excellent but here in Canada your average

treatment will cost about $120 (factoring in the oils, time and

space), and thus not everyone can afford it, especially if it is

recommended as a course of treatment over x number of days or weeks

 

 

> Well I percieve this as his personal experience ! But even we know

> a number of people who are involved in preyers or simillar

> activities with plain Veg diet with quite calm , quiet state of

> mind yet very much energetic.For instances please refer to some of

> our saints.Or even why saints , there may be several members who

> are pure veg. & can confidently say that they alo feel energetic,

> more grounding & stabilizing experience with veg.diet !

 

there is no denying the benefit of regular meditation for anxiety and

other mental/emotional disorders, which is why i suggested this and

also another technique called TFT which is quick, effective and non-

invasive

 

my point about anxiety is that in many cases it can be facilitated or

enhanced by reactive hypoglycemia, and as a simple intervention

increasing protein/fat content in the diet is easy and effective

 

imagine a mother of trying to get healthy, lose a little weight after

3 pregnancies and deal with her anxiety

of course with the husband at work she has no time to meditate, and

because of finances can't afford to pay for expensive ayurvedic

treatments like dhara - this is a common scenario, and i have worked

with many such cases

 

time and again, i have seen that simply increasing the protein/fat

content of her first meal, instead of cereal or porridge, all common

breakfasts here in Canada, she has some vegetables along with some

scrambled egg or poached fish - within a day or so she feels renewed

energy throughout the day, doesn't need coffee or snacks to pick her

energy up, and because over all she reduces her caloric intake she

loses the few extra pounds that has been eating away at her self-

image - all this, without any medicine

 

a vegetarian option might be dhal with rice and steamed vegies, or

what i call a "rice bowl" (brown rice or another grain such as

quinoa, with a tahini/shoyu sauce, sliced avocado and salad greens),

but experience teaches that these generally takes more time to

prepare, and because they are also higher in carbs doesn't really

shift the dynamic away from reactive hypoglycemia quite as

effectively - but it is an option i have used

 

Caldecott

todd (AT) toddcaldecott (DOT) com

www.toddcaldecott.com

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There is gross misunderstanding about ahimsa. HImsa means causing harm. You

have to understand that when a person is a born non-vegetarian, he will eat

meat which is his staple diet. That is not ahimsa. That is his meal. That is

his life. On the other hand, when someone kills for fun, that is ahimsa.

Plants also have life. Isn't killing plants himsa then? To be Rama and

Krishna does not mean that they have to be vegetarians! They were warriors

and Kshatrias always ate non-vegetarians because of the strength that they

required meant they had to eat that kind of food. And that was a part of

their staple diet. The same applies for Jesus as well.

 

Sattva is in the mind. Not in what you eat.

 

 

 

Mahesh Krishnamurthy

 

Senior Research Fellow - Yoga Shastras

 

FRLHT, Bangalore.

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Dear Mahesh,

 

Swami Sivananda (dlsq.org), Pt Ramkumar Sharama Acharya (awgp.org)

etc have written about Himsa and Ahimsa. Killing for self protection

is not himsa, as per even Bhagvad Gita. Our mythology is full of

several wars and killings for protecting "Dharma"

 

But let us divert here to your statement that plants have life. It

interested this author.

 

All the messages on diet so far, including those posted by this

author are waste of words, since this author feels that even those

who eat green vegetables and even wheat grass etc are causing Himsa

and thus cruelty on plants. Jain monks avoid eating even green

vegetables during the "Paryushans". Plants have a soul and feelings

like us. We are all human animals and not only those who eat meat etc.

 

Before we go further, author requests you to go through a message on

plant sentiments posted last year.

 

http://health.ayurveda/message/4128?

threaded=1

 

And Frederich Klenner, a Botanist and MD writes in 1973, "When a

plant is fatigued, it wilts, unless relieved of the fatigue, it dies.

Proper atmospheric conditions, or these equivalents conferred by man,

will restore, to some degree, the faltering plant. Even prayer has

been advanced as an active agent to not only relieve the failing

plant of its fatigue, but also to encourage its growth. Plants do

indeed have a soul – the soul of growth. This predicates a potential

capable of responding to "kindness" of various types. In this light,

then, people with "green" thumbs are nothing more than accepted plant

missionaries. [Journal of Applied Nutrition, 1973,

http://www.townsendletter.com/Klenner/KlennerProtocol_forMS.pdf] One

such recent Indian missionary is Sundarlal Bahuguna.

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundarlal_Bahuguna]

 

Dr. Jagdishchandra Bose proved scientifically that plants are living

organisms and they do respond to a stimulus like music. He fetched a

Nobel prize for India by this research. This means Plant has greater

capacity to sense and respond to the environment. Now, with the same

logic if we continue and come to the Animal Kingdom, there is one

more new dimension added. It is the dimension of the movement. Plants

can't move much from the place where they are rooted, but animals can

move. They have the freedom of movement. Animals have not only soul

for growth like the plants, but also soul of sensation. There is

also the development of memory- mind, even-though their major life is

governed through natural instincts, which is nothing but the genetic

programming. There is the survival instinct that manifests itself

through reproduction and that's how the species survive and continue.

The next level of evolution is the Human-Body.

 

The human body is the highest on the evolutionary ladder on the

planet earth. It has the most potent and highly developed brain. It

is this Brain which is the Hardware that makes it possible to run the

Software called Mind. Human mind is well developed with its various

aspects such as Memory, Imagination, Power to Compare, Calculate &

rationalize. It has the most potent tool in the form of Intellect,

which is the sense of discrimination. It is this development of Brain

& Mind that makes it possible for human to express. So it is this

development of Mind, which is the new dimension which is not fully

available to Animals. This is how a new dimension is added every time

there is evolution. But at the present level of evolution, the Human

bodies are nothing more than the Thinking Animals or Intellectual

Animals. The dimension of "being" needs to be added for us to be

human-beings. How to add it? Please visit:

http://nvraghuram.blogspot.com/2006/05/panca-kosa-6-being-versus-

doing.html

 

Now it is our decision to be a human being or human body. Though we

are doing himsa or cruelty to plants also, out of necessity to exist,

we should reduce our dependence on external diet and disturb the

environment to a minimum. When the plants, birds and animals will

sing the song of bliss and peace, we may be so much affected by those

vibrations that we may also enjoy bliss just be accepting those

vibrations!

 

And for scientific minset here is a test for the vibrations or

energy beams in your house. Put a pot of tulsi plant in your house.

If it grows well, assume that you have satvic vibrations in your

house. Irrespective of what you eat. AS per the statement Satva is in

the mind, not in the diet, please carry out this experiment and find

out the truth yourself.

 

Many patients tell this author that Tulsi does not grow in their

house. And chronic diseases are also guest in the house. Peace helps

Tulsi to grow. It responds to love, respect of family members to each

other. This is a simplest experiment everyone can do, no electronic

equipment nor electricity needed. If you wish to read something about

Tulsi, there are special books written by saints and Vaidyas too. Pt.

Ramkumar Sharma Acharyaji (awgp.org) also has written, a book in

Hindi, perhaps available online to read.

 

 

ayurveda, "Mahesh Krishnamurthy"

<maheshyogi wrote:

>

> There is gross misunderstanding about ahimsa. HImsa means causing

harm. You

> have to understand that when a person is a born non-vegetarian, he

will eat

> meat which is his staple diet. That is not ahimsa. That is his

meal. That is

> his life. On the other hand, when someone kills for fun, that is

ahimsa.

> Plants also have life. Isn't killing plants himsa then?

 

> Sattva is in the mind. Not in what you eat.