Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 dear ss@s once i wrote in the groups that manglik vs manglik can be simply put as a broadminded person vs another broadminded person. it is not a dosha as such. however, even if you consider it as a doshas, after 28years, its effect is not seen. hence manglik is not a problem. caste is a highly sensitive and private subject which an outsider cannot recommend. but i can tell only one thing that all humans by birth are shudras and only by their karmas they would become kings, brahmins or merchants. there are no ways to attract another person except by your good deeds. each person especially after attaining an age of 18 years has his own privilige and choice to marry any person and we cannot force stop him or force marry another person. suggestions are given only to direct querents and i cannot suggest you whether this marriage is good or bad for your brother and then you go and tell him what is good or bad. i have been personally preaching and practicing that in public only direct querents shall be addressed as the person who always ask for their relatives or friends need not necessarily be their well wishers. a glaring example of this was the case a few months ago when a separated wife and husband posted queries separately for their spouse. as regards these mohan tantras, i only advise you not to take them seriously. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , yes_yes_at yes <yes_yes_at wrote: > > Are their any good ways of attracting anyone or making anyone convince something. My brother is planning to marry a girl whom my parents dont want to marry as my brother is manglik and the girl is not and the girl belongs to totally different caste. My parents have seen the problems of intercaste marriage so they dont want him to suffer. Now my brother is planning to go in for a court marriage. I am very tensed. I want to either convince my parents to agree for his marriage or make my brother understand that he should marry(even if he wants to marry the same girl) with parents concent,even if he has to wait for 2-3 more years. i know my parents will finally agree,but the girl is forcing him to get married soon.Please can anything good solve my problem. > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear prashant ji > > mohan prayog is one of the shat prayogas which ordinary people are > not supposed to do and only an experienced tantrik does who can be a > sanyasi or a baba who has no family. > > writing vanaspati tantram in a public forum and asking the natives > to get a particular plant and recite a mantra and then declaring > that you get mesmerizing affect due to this mohana prayog is against > the very tantric philosophy which is only for good. today alokji is > writing about mohana prayog. tomorrow he will write about marana > prayog. even though i am fully aware that this mohana prayoga does > not work that simply as written by alokji, all mantra classics have > forbidden mantriks from revealing these six prayogas. hope the > gurujis of alokji might have shared this too. sharing mantras is > different. sharing tantras is different. that too sharing shat > prayogas which are bad is extremely dangerous that too in an > astrology group. also as i have written in some earlier posts, all > these tantras are against the freewill and hence the tantrik bears > the brunt. if individuals are encouraged to do these dangerous shat > prayogas, it would earn only bad karma. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Pt. Arjun > > this alok has warned users/readers of the risks involved with > it, so left to readerr/user's choice or fate that they seek a > professional advice and do it and do it only for good than lust, > must sure be healthy and not like the sulperic acid wash the > rejected passes by harrassing men on women to make sure that no > other man has a chance to look leave alone marry the one who > rejected him, this must never happen. god creats beautiful thigns > for as many people to enjoy it not all can posses it, so enjoy > nature in its spleandour. > > > > alok if u plan to write on this further do break it down to the > full level and repeat the warnings, it is better here than some > other sites people come to know, need not practice it though. > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> > wrote: dear friend > > > > in the beginning of your mail you mentioned correctly the > problems > > associated with tantric practices. were this true, why did you > > choose to write such vanaspati tantrams in public. what is the > > achievement of such public posts by you. has any member > requested > > you or the group to reveal any mohan mantrams for attracting > miss > > universe etc. do you know the basic rule of tantra shastra > which > > prohibits spreading its mantras and practices to people without > > their asking. > > > > since i have sufficient knowledge in these shastras, let me tell > you > > and other readers one thing very clearly. IF A LAYMAN DOES > THESE > > TANTRAMS, THEY JUST WONT WORK. HENCE WRITING ABOUT THEM IN > PUBLIC > > GROUPS IS EARNING BAD KARMA. ALSO IT IS VERY ABSURD TO > PROPAGATE IN > > PUBLIC FORUMS THAT BY JUST TAKING RECOURSE TO VASHIKARAN OR > MOHAN, > > AS YOU WROTE, ONE CAN GET A GIRL UNDER HIS CHARM. IF THIS IS > THE > > CASE, AISHWARYA RAI AND OTHER MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRLS IN THE WORLD > MUST > > BE DANCING LIKE PETS BEFORE THE TANTRIKS. IT IS A PITY THAT > YOU > > CHOSE TO REVEAL SUCH SHORT CUTS TO DO MOHANA ND VASHIKARANA > TANTRAMS. > > > > DEAR FRIENDS, IT IS HIGH TIME READERS USE THEIR INTELLIGENCE IN > > BLINDLY NOT FOLLOWING THESE TANTRAS. > > > > AS FOR SPREADING KNOWLEDGE ABOUT TANTRA PRACTICES, IT IS THE > BASIC > > LESSON TAUGHT IN TANTRA AND ANY AMATEUR TANTRIK FOLLOWS THIS > RULE OF > > NOT DIVULGING ITS GREATNESS IN PUBLIC FORUMS THEREBY TEMPTING > THE > > READERS TO USE THESE TANTRAMS. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > , "osho_shadow" > > <osho_shadow@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Amongst the four pillars in Tantra ( Indian Shamanism) > Vashikaran > > > stands for control. It is a sub branch of Mohan. The other > three > > are > > > Maran, Viddeshan and Uchhatan. Maran stands for killing which > is > > > almost like Voodo system of Africa. Mohan stands for > attracting > > and > > > Uchhatan stands for creating a mental stage where a person > cannot > > > pay attention to things. A person who will be cursed with > Ucchatan > > > will be unabel to concentrate on anything. > > > > > > Viddeshan means creating a mental stage of madness. Though > this > > > seems like a blow to most of the salient brains, this practice > is > > > very much prevalent in villages of India. Any body who knows > too > > > much about the village life will also recognize this fact. In > > > villages, it is more of a normal activity. Amongst this Mohan > > turns > > > to vashikaran when it is used for controlling human brain. So > > > vashikaran means controlling the human brain. > > > > > > In Indian Tantra System there are several methods for this. > One > > > should know that the Tantric Granthas also alarm you about the > > > boomeranging part of this practice. It is said that a person > who > > > does it; receives the wrath of nature. If someone uses it for > > > mankind and not for personal purposes then he/she remains > > unharmed. > > > > > > Tantric recitations are the shortest methods to achieve power > but > > > this system is like twin sided sword. You make a mistake and > you > > > will loose your life. It reminds me of the famous quote" With > > great > > > power comes great responsibility". Perhaps this was the reason > why > > > Lord Shiva nailed (Changing the correct pronunciation) all the > > > mantras. This was done in order to stop the misuse of mantras > done > > > by demons. The demons used mantras to generate immediate > powers. > > > They misused mantras for personal gains. So Lord Shiva nailed > all > > > the mantras. It is a fact that recitation of nailed mantras > leads > > to > > > mental imbalance. One should not recite the mantra without > proper > > > Beejakshars and process. > > > > > > I have come across several Tantrics during my work and > practice. I > > > have noticed that they enjoyed much wealth and repute during > their > > > early stages of Tantric practise. But during the final years > of > > > their life, they loose their charm and wealth. They often die > in > > > pitiable conditions. This tells us why we should avoid > personal > > use > > > of mantras. One should remember that Count Cheiro died in a > mental > > > asylum during the last years of his life. He worshipped " > > > Panchanguli Devi" during the early years of his life. > > > > > > Talking about Vashikaran there are several methods through > which > > one > > > can achieve this. This includes mantra recitations, Yantra > > practise > > > and using "Pakshi or Vanaspati Tantra". > > > > > > Vanaspati refers to use of plants for Tantric practice. I am > going > > > to mention one such use over here. Be careful while doing it > and > > do > > > not use it for harming others. It is used for "Mohan" > > or "Hypnotism". > > > > > > Chirchiti, Ghunghuchi, Rati or Gunja: These are the names of > the > > > plant which carries seeds of round shape. There are two > varieties > > > Red and white. The seeds are round and glossy in appearance. > > > > > > {About the Plant: The seed is known by several names, some of > the > > > more common ones are Rosary pea, because it is frequently used > in > > > rosaries - garlands meant for worship. It is also known as > > > Buddhist's rosary bead or prayer bead. It has some other > > interesting > > > names too. Some of these are Jequirity bean, Indian bean, > Crab's > > > eyes, Black-Eyed Susan and Indian Licorice. Licorice or > liquorice > > is > > > actually a European leguminous plant, known botanically as > > > Glycyrrhiza glabra. The sweet tasting dried root of this > plant, or > > > an extract made from it, is used in medicine or as flavoring > in > > > confectioneries. Since the roots of abrus plant are also sweet > > > tasting, the Europeans have named it Indian licorice. The > plant is > > > native to tropical Asia, especially India. It however grows in > > most > > > warm, humid climates all over the world such as in the > Caribbean > > > islands and Florida. All parts of the plant are toxic, but the > > seeds > > > contain the highest concentration of toxins." } > > > > > > Please note that it is a poisionous plant and one should not > > conume > > > its seeds or any part. > > > > > > The process: ( When Moon occupies Pushyami Constellation) > > > > > > Day: Day previous to extraction > > > > > > One should observe a fast on the day. On an auspicious hour > one > > > should visit the plant and offer water to the plant. Then > offer > > > flowers and incense and tie a "moli" around the stem. One > should > > > offer prayers to the plant and beg for forgiveness. (Since you > are > > > going to extract the same on next day) > > > > > > Appointed day > > > > > > One should reach the place before time. A wooden log should be > > used > > > to extract the root of this plant. (Iron objects should be > avoided) > > > > > > Following mantra should be recited during the extraction > > > > > > "Hrim Shraum Fat Swaha " > > > > > > After you have extracted the root , you need to wash it with > clean > > > water. The root should be taken to the house temple and a > paste of > > > Vermillion and Ghee should be offered to the root. > > > > > > Now allow three or four days to let the root dry out. > > > > > > Worship it daily with the above mantra. > > > > > > On another auspicious day like Ravi pushya one should rub the > root > > > with water. The paste should be used as a mark on forehead. > This > > > Tantric practise creates the effect of "Mohan" or hypnotism. > > > > > > Alok Jagawat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > group but > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Respected Panditji, I read all of your responses and I had to write to say that you are truly a progessive, knowledgeable yet modest, noble and a model astrologer. With Regards, Pratap panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: dear ss@s once i wrote in the groups that manglik vs manglik can be simply put as a broadminded person vs another broadminded person. it is not a dosha as such. however, even if you consider it as a doshas, after 28years, its effect is not seen. hence manglik is not a problem. caste is a highly sensitive and private subject which an outsider cannot recommend. but i can tell only one thing that all humans by birth are shudras and only by their karmas they would become kings, brahmins or merchants. there are no ways to attract another person except by your good deeds. each person especially after attaining an age of 18 years has his own privilige and choice to marry any person and we cannot force stop him or force marry another person. suggestions are given only to direct querents and i cannot suggest you whether this marriage is good or bad for your brother and then you go and tell him what is good or bad. i have been personally preaching and practicing that in public only direct querents shall be addressed as the person who always ask for their relatives or friends need not necessarily be their well wishers. a glaring example of this was the case a few months ago when a separated wife and husband posted queries separately for their spouse. as regards these mohan tantras, i only advise you not to take them seriously. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , yes_yes_at yes wrote: > > Are their any good ways of attracting anyone or making anyone convince something. My brother is planning to marry a girl whom my parents dont want to marry as my brother is manglik and the girl is not and the girl belongs to totally different caste. My parents have seen the problems of intercaste marriage so they dont want him to suffer. Now my brother is planning to go in for a court marriage. I am very tensed. I want to either convince my parents to agree for his marriage or make my brother understand that he should marry(even if he wants to marry the same girl) with parents concent,even if he has to wait for 2-3 more years. i know my parents will finally agree,but the girl is forcing him to get married soon.Please can anything good solve my problem. > > panditarjun2004 wrote: dear prashant ji > > mohan prayog is one of the shat prayogas which ordinary people are > not supposed to do and only an experienced tantrik does who can be a > sanyasi or a baba who has no family. > > writing vanaspati tantram in a public forum and asking the natives > to get a particular plant and recite a mantra and then declaring > that you get mesmerizing affect due to this mohana prayog is against > the very tantric philosophy which is only for good. today alokji is > writing about mohana prayog. tomorrow he will write about marana > prayog. even though i am fully aware that this mohana prayoga does > not work that simply as written by alokji, all mantra classics have > forbidden mantriks from revealing these six prayogas. hope the > gurujis of alokji might have shared this too. sharing mantras is > different. sharing tantras is different. that too sharing shat > prayogas which are bad is extremely dangerous that too in an > astrology group. also as i have written in some earlier posts, all > these tantras are against the freewill and hence the tantrik bears > the brunt. if individuals are encouraged to do these dangerous shat > prayogas, it would earn only bad karma. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , Prashant Kumar G B > wrote: > > > > Pt. Arjun > > this alok has warned users/readers of the risks involved with > it, so left to readerr/user's choice or fate that they seek a > professional advice and do it and do it only for good than lust, > must sure be healthy and not like the sulperic acid wash the > rejected passes by harrassing men on women to make sure that no > other man has a chance to look leave alone marry the one who > rejected him, this must never happen. god creats beautiful thigns > for as many people to enjoy it not all can posses it, so enjoy > nature in its spleandour. > > > > alok if u plan to write on this further do break it down to the > full level and repeat the warnings, it is better here than some > other sites people come to know, need not practice it though. > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 > wrote: dear friend > > > > in the beginning of your mail you mentioned correctly the > problems > > associated with tantric practices. were this true, why did you > > choose to write such vanaspati tantrams in public. what is the > > achievement of such public posts by you. has any member > requested > > you or the group to reveal any mohan mantrams for attracting > miss > > universe etc. do you know the basic rule of tantra shastra > which > > prohibits spreading its mantras and practices to people without > > their asking. > > > > since i have sufficient knowledge in these shastras, let me tell > you > > and other readers one thing very clearly. IF A LAYMAN DOES > THESE > > TANTRAMS, THEY JUST WONT WORK. HENCE WRITING ABOUT THEM IN > PUBLIC > > GROUPS IS EARNING BAD KARMA. ALSO IT IS VERY ABSURD TO > PROPAGATE IN > > PUBLIC FORUMS THAT BY JUST TAKING RECOURSE TO VASHIKARAN OR > MOHAN, > > AS YOU WROTE, ONE CAN GET A GIRL UNDER HIS CHARM. IF THIS IS > THE > > CASE, AISHWARYA RAI AND OTHER MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRLS IN THE WORLD > MUST > > BE DANCING LIKE PETS BEFORE THE TANTRIKS. IT IS A PITY THAT > YOU > > CHOSE TO REVEAL SUCH SHORT CUTS TO DO MOHANA ND VASHIKARANA > TANTRAMS. > > > > DEAR FRIENDS, IT IS HIGH TIME READERS USE THEIR INTELLIGENCE IN > > BLINDLY NOT FOLLOWING THESE TANTRAS. > > > > AS FOR SPREADING KNOWLEDGE ABOUT TANTRA PRACTICES, IT IS THE > BASIC > > LESSON TAUGHT IN TANTRA AND ANY AMATEUR TANTRIK FOLLOWS THIS > RULE OF > > NOT DIVULGING ITS GREATNESS IN PUBLIC FORUMS THEREBY TEMPTING > THE > > READERS TO USE THESE TANTRAMS. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > , "osho_shadow" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Amongst the four pillars in Tantra ( Indian Shamanism) > Vashikaran > > > stands for control. It is a sub branch of Mohan. The other > three > > are > > > Maran, Viddeshan and Uchhatan. Maran stands for killing which > is > > > almost like Voodo system of Africa. Mohan stands for > attracting > > and > > > Uchhatan stands for creating a mental stage where a person > cannot > > > pay attention to things. A person who will be cursed with > Ucchatan > > > will be unabel to concentrate on anything. > > > > > > Viddeshan means creating a mental stage of madness. Though > this > > > seems like a blow to most of the salient brains, this practice > is > > > very much prevalent in villages of India. Any body who knows > too > > > much about the village life will also recognize this fact. In > > > villages, it is more of a normal activity. Amongst this Mohan > > turns > > > to vashikaran when it is used for controlling human brain. So > > > vashikaran means controlling the human brain. > > > > > > In Indian Tantra System there are several methods for this. > One > > > should know that the Tantric Granthas also alarm you about the > > > boomeranging part of this practice. It is said that a person > who > > > does it; receives the wrath of nature. If someone uses it for > > > mankind and not for personal purposes then he/she remains > > unharmed. > > > > > > Tantric recitations are the shortest methods to achieve power > but > > > this system is like twin sided sword. You make a mistake and > you > > > will loose your life. It reminds me of the famous quote" With > > great > > > power comes great responsibility". Perhaps this was the reason > why > > > Lord Shiva nailed (Changing the correct pronunciation) all the > > > mantras. This was done in order to stop the misuse of mantras > done > > > by demons. The demons used mantras to generate immediate > powers. > > > They misused mantras for personal gains. So Lord Shiva nailed > all > > > the mantras. It is a fact that recitation of nailed mantras > leads > > to > > > mental imbalance. One should not recite the mantra without > proper > > > Beejakshars and process. > > > > > > I have come across several Tantrics during my work and > practice. I > > > have noticed that they enjoyed much wealth and repute during > their > > > early stages of Tantric practise. But during the final years > of > > > their life, they loose their charm and wealth. They often die > in > > > pitiable conditions. This tells us why we should avoid > personal > > use > > > of mantras. One should remember that Count Cheiro died in a > mental > > > asylum during the last years of his life. He worshipped " > > > Panchanguli Devi" during the early years of his life. > > > > > > Talking about Vashikaran there are several methods through > which > > one > > > can achieve this. This includes mantra recitations, Yantra > > practise > > > and using "Pakshi or Vanaspati Tantra". > > > > > > Vanaspati refers to use of plants for Tantric practice. I am > going > > > to mention one such use over here. Be careful while doing it > and > > do > > > not use it for harming others. It is used for "Mohan" > > or "Hypnotism". > > > > > > Chirchiti, Ghunghuchi, Rati or Gunja: These are the names of > the > > > plant which carries seeds of round shape. There are two > varieties > > > Red and white. The seeds are round and glossy in appearance. > > > > > > {About the Plant: The seed is known by several names, some of > the > > > more common ones are Rosary pea, because it is frequently used > in > > > rosaries - garlands meant for worship. It is also known as > > > Buddhist's rosary bead or prayer bead. It has some other > > interesting > > > names too. Some of these are Jequirity bean, Indian bean, > Crab's > > > eyes, Black-Eyed Susan and Indian Licorice. Licorice or > liquorice > > is > > > actually a European leguminous plant, known botanically as > > > Glycyrrhiza glabra. The sweet tasting dried root of this > plant, or > > > an extract made from it, is used in medicine or as flavoring > in > > > confectioneries. Since the roots of abrus plant are also sweet > > > tasting, the Europeans have named it Indian licorice. The > plant is > > > native to tropical Asia, especially India. It however grows in > > most > > > warm, humid climates all over the world such as in the > Caribbean > > > islands and Florida. All parts of the plant are toxic, but the > > seeds > > > contain the highest concentration of toxins." } > > > > > > Please note that it is a poisionous plant and one should not > > conume > > > its seeds or any part. > > > > > > The process: ( When Moon occupies Pushyami Constellation) > > > > > > Day: Day previous to extraction > > > > > > One should observe a fast on the day. On an auspicious hour > one > > > should visit the plant and offer water to the plant. Then > offer > > > flowers and incense and tie a "moli" around the stem. One > should > > > offer prayers to the plant and beg for forgiveness. (Since you > are > > > going to extract the same on next day) > > > > > > Appointed day > > > > > > One should reach the place before time. A wooden log should be > > used > > > to extract the root of this plant. (Iron objects should be > avoided) > > > > > > Following mantra should be recited during the extraction > > > > > > "Hrim Shraum Fat Swaha " > > > > > > After you have extracted the root , you need to wash it with > clean > > > water. The root should be taken to the house temple and a > paste of > > > Vermillion and Ghee should be offered to the root. > > > > > > Now allow three or four days to let the root dry out. > > > > > > Worship it daily with the above mantra. > > > > > > On another auspicious day like Ravi pushya one should rub the > root > > > with water. The paste should be used as a mark on forehead. > This > > > Tantric practise creates the effect of "Mohan" or hypnotism. > > > > > > Alok Jagawat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > group but > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Dear all, I have seen many a couple where both were mangalik, but got divorced. On the other hand, a lot of husband-wife where one is mangalik and other is not have been living in peace for years. Incidently, I was termed a very harmfull mangalik by almost all so-called astrologers who can be found spreading astrological misinformation in every corner of India. But, I have married a non-mangalik girl and we are totally at peace with our married life. There are several factors which have to be judged while matching horoscopes. Mangal dosha is the least harmfull of all the doshas which are considered damaging to married life. Not many are aware that jupiter, considered the most benefic planet by laymen, causes more divorces than mars or rahu combined together. Caste is a trivial issue. If both can live together happily and can progress in life in each other's company, then they should get married. I personally consider caste based marriages akin to breeding of pure breed horses or dogs. We Indian waste so much energy, time and money just to prove that we are nothing but animals. Sorry for the harsh words, but this is a bitter truth. When the astrological texts were written by the jyotishis of yore, children were married off even at the age of 12. Today, when the average age of marriage has shifted to 25-28, for both boys and girls, the mangal dosha has lost its significance and meaning. With age, logic and discipline develops and mars' energies are better controlled by the native. At a young age of even 20-21, mars is at its peak strength and the mind is not mature enough to put a leash to its powers and desires. Regards, Ashutosh [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this group but off-group consultations are chargeable] - panditarjun2004 Wednesday, 05 July, 2006 00:34 reading for ss@s dear ss@s once i wrote in the groups that manglik vs manglik can be simply put as a broadminded person vs another broadminded person. it is not a dosha as such. however, even if you consider it as a doshas, after 28years, its effect is not seen. hence manglik is not a problem. caste is a highly sensitive and private subject which an outsider cannot recommend. but i can tell only one thing that all humans by birth are shudras and only by their karmas they would become kings, brahmins or merchants. there are no ways to attract another person except by your good deeds. each person especially after attaining an age of 18 years has his own privilige and choice to marry any person and we cannot force stop him or force marry another person. suggestions are given only to direct querents and i cannot suggest you whether this marriage is good or bad for your brother and then you go and tell him what is good or bad. i have been personally preaching and practicing that in public only direct querents shall be addressed as the person who always ask for their relatives or friends need not necessarily be their well wishers. a glaring example of this was the case a few months ago when a separated wife and husband posted queries separately for their spouse. as regards these mohan tantras, i only advise you not to take them seriously. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , yes_yes_at yes <yes_yes_at wrote: > > Are their any good ways of attracting anyone or making anyone convince something. My brother is planning to marry a girl whom my parents dont want to marry as my brother is manglik and the girl is not and the girl belongs to totally different caste. My parents have seen the problems of intercaste marriage so they dont want him to suffer. Now my brother is planning to go in for a court marriage. I am very tensed. I want to either convince my parents to agree for his marriage or make my brother understand that he should marry(even if he wants to marry the same girl) with parents concent,even if he has to wait for 2-3 more years. i know my parents will finally agree,but the girl is forcing him to get married soon.Please can anything good solve my problem. > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear prashant ji > > mohan prayog is one of the shat prayogas which ordinary people are > not supposed to do and only an experienced tantrik does who can be a > sanyasi or a baba who has no family. > > writing vanaspati tantram in a public forum and asking the natives > to get a particular plant and recite a mantra and then declaring > that you get mesmerizing affect due to this mohana prayog is against > the very tantric philosophy which is only for good. today alokji is > writing about mohana prayog. tomorrow he will write about marana > prayog. even though i am fully aware that this mohana prayoga does > not work that simply as written by alokji, all mantra classics have > forbidden mantriks from revealing these six prayogas. hope the > gurujis of alokji might have shared this too. sharing mantras is > different. sharing tantras is different. that too sharing shat > prayogas which are bad is extremely dangerous that too in an > astrology group. also as i have written in some earlier posts, all > these tantras are against the freewill and hence the tantrik bears > the brunt. if individuals are encouraged to do these dangerous shat > prayogas, it would earn only bad karma. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Pt. Arjun > > this alok has warned users/readers of the risks involved with > it, so left to readerr/user's choice or fate that they seek a > professional advice and do it and do it only for good than lust, > must sure be healthy and not like the sulperic acid wash the > rejected passes by harrassing men on women to make sure that no > other man has a chance to look leave alone marry the one who > rejected him, this must never happen. god creats beautiful thigns > for as many people to enjoy it not all can posses it, so enjoy > nature in its spleandour. > > > > alok if u plan to write on this further do break it down to the > full level and repeat the warnings, it is better here than some > other sites people come to know, need not practice it though. > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> > wrote: dear friend > > > > in the beginning of your mail you mentioned correctly the > problems > > associated with tantric practices. were this true, why did you > > choose to write such vanaspati tantrams in public. what is the > > achievement of such public posts by you. has any member > requested > > you or the group to reveal any mohan mantrams for attracting > miss > > universe etc. do you know the basic rule of tantra shastra > which > > prohibits spreading its mantras and practices to people without > > their asking. > > > > since i have sufficient knowledge in these shastras, let me tell > you > > and other readers one thing very clearly. IF A LAYMAN DOES > THESE > > TANTRAMS, THEY JUST WONT WORK. HENCE WRITING ABOUT THEM IN > PUBLIC > > GROUPS IS EARNING BAD KARMA. ALSO IT IS VERY ABSURD TO > PROPAGATE IN > > PUBLIC FORUMS THAT BY JUST TAKING RECOURSE TO VASHIKARAN OR > MOHAN, > > AS YOU WROTE, ONE CAN GET A GIRL UNDER HIS CHARM. IF THIS IS > THE > > CASE, AISHWARYA RAI AND OTHER MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRLS IN THE WORLD > MUST > > BE DANCING LIKE PETS BEFORE THE TANTRIKS. IT IS A PITY THAT > YOU > > CHOSE TO REVEAL SUCH SHORT CUTS TO DO MOHANA ND VASHIKARANA > TANTRAMS. > > > > DEAR FRIENDS, IT IS HIGH TIME READERS USE THEIR INTELLIGENCE IN > > BLINDLY NOT FOLLOWING THESE TANTRAS. > > > > AS FOR SPREADING KNOWLEDGE ABOUT TANTRA PRACTICES, IT IS THE > BASIC > > LESSON TAUGHT IN TANTRA AND ANY AMATEUR TANTRIK FOLLOWS THIS > RULE OF > > NOT DIVULGING ITS GREATNESS IN PUBLIC FORUMS THEREBY TEMPTING > THE > > READERS TO USE THESE TANTRAMS. > > > > with best wishes > > pandit arjun > > > > , "osho_shadow" > > <osho_shadow@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Amongst the four pillars in Tantra ( Indian Shamanism) > Vashikaran > > > stands for control. It is a sub branch of Mohan. The other > three > > are > > > Maran, Viddeshan and Uchhatan. Maran stands for killing which > is > > > almost like Voodo system of Africa. Mohan stands for > attracting > > and > > > Uchhatan stands for creating a mental stage where a person > cannot > > > pay attention to things. A person who will be cursed with > Ucchatan > > > will be unabel to concentrate on anything. > > > > > > Viddeshan means creating a mental stage of madness. Though > this > > > seems like a blow to most of the salient brains, this practice > is > > > very much prevalent in villages of India. Any body who knows > too > > > much about the village life will also recognize this fact. In > > > villages, it is more of a normal activity. Amongst this Mohan > > turns > > > to vashikaran when it is used for controlling human brain. So > > > vashikaran means controlling the human brain. > > > > > > In Indian Tantra System there are several methods for this. > One > > > should know that the Tantric Granthas also alarm you about the > > > boomeranging part of this practice. It is said that a person > who > > > does it; receives the wrath of nature. If someone uses it for > > > mankind and not for personal purposes then he/she remains > > unharmed. > > > > > > Tantric recitations are the shortest methods to achieve power > but > > > this system is like twin sided sword. You make a mistake and > you > > > will loose your life. It reminds me of the famous quote" With > > great > > > power comes great responsibility". Perhaps this was the reason > why > > > Lord Shiva nailed (Changing the correct pronunciation) all the > > > mantras. This was done in order to stop the misuse of mantras > done > > > by demons. The demons used mantras to generate immediate > powers. > > > They misused mantras for personal gains. So Lord Shiva nailed > all > > > the mantras. It is a fact that recitation of nailed mantras > leads > > to > > > mental imbalance. One should not recite the mantra without > proper > > > Beejakshars and process. > > > > > > I have come across several Tantrics during my work and > practice. I > > > have noticed that they enjoyed much wealth and repute during > their > > > early stages of Tantric practise. But during the final years > of > > > their life, they loose their charm and wealth. They often die > in > > > pitiable conditions. This tells us why we should avoid > personal > > use > > > of mantras. One should remember that Count Cheiro died in a > mental > > > asylum during the last years of his life. He worshipped " > > > Panchanguli Devi" during the early years of his life. > > > > > > Talking about Vashikaran there are several methods through > which > > one > > > can achieve this. This includes mantra recitations, Yantra > > practise > > > and using "Pakshi or Vanaspati Tantra". > > > > > > Vanaspati refers to use of plants for Tantric practice. I am > going > > > to mention one such use over here. Be careful while doing it > and > > do > > > not use it for harming others. It is used for "Mohan" > > or "Hypnotism". > > > > > > Chirchiti, Ghunghuchi, Rati or Gunja: These are the names of > the > > > plant which carries seeds of round shape. There are two > varieties > > > Red and white. The seeds are round and glossy in appearance. > > > > > > {About the Plant: The seed is known by several names, some of > the > > > more common ones are Rosary pea, because it is frequently used > in > > > rosaries - garlands meant for worship. It is also known as > > > Buddhist's rosary bead or prayer bead. It has some other > > interesting > > > names too. Some of these are Jequirity bean, Indian bean, > Crab's > > > eyes, Black-Eyed Susan and Indian Licorice. Licorice or > liquorice > > is > > > actually a European leguminous plant, known botanically as > > > Glycyrrhiza glabra. The sweet tasting dried root of this > plant, or > > > an extract made from it, is used in medicine or as flavoring > in > > > confectioneries. Since the roots of abrus plant are also sweet > > > tasting, the Europeans have named it Indian licorice. The > plant is > > > native to tropical Asia, especially India. It however grows in > > most > > > warm, humid climates all over the world such as in the > Caribbean > > > islands and Florida. All parts of the plant are toxic, but the > > seeds > > > contain the highest concentration of toxins." } > > > > > > Please note that it is a poisionous plant and one should not > > conume > > > its seeds or any part. > > > > > > The process: ( When Moon occupies Pushyami Constellation) > > > > > > Day: Day previous to extraction > > > > > > One should observe a fast on the day. On an auspicious hour > one > > > should visit the plant and offer water to the plant. Then > offer > > > flowers and incense and tie a "moli" around the stem. One > should > > > offer prayers to the plant and beg for forgiveness. (Since you > are > > > going to extract the same on next day) > > > > > > Appointed day > > > > > > One should reach the place before time. A wooden log should be > > used > > > to extract the root of this plant. (Iron objects should be > avoided) > > > > > > Following mantra should be recited during the extraction > > > > > > "Hrim Shraum Fat Swaha " > > > > > > After you have extracted the root , you need to wash it with > clean > > > water. The root should be taken to the house temple and a > paste of > > > Vermillion and Ghee should be offered to the root. > > > > > > Now allow three or four days to let the root dry out. > > > > > > Worship it daily with the above mantra. > > > > > > On another auspicious day like Ravi pushya one should rub the > root > > > with water. The paste should be used as a mark on forehead. > This > > > Tantric practise creates the effect of "Mohan" or hypnotism. > > > > > > Alok Jagawat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on > group but > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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