man made bias in the name of god-Sabirmala 1/7 p3

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Shob,

YEst the point su said r true, I did not deny them either as u said, so now to mae it more even my be women can get seperate times, or seperate months when temple is slosed, and also durig special times if women r nto in periods can go. the 40 day vrath they may not be able to make or take due to periods, but if theat is only reasonthen a tablet can skip one period for anyone the normal family planning one and sure they can do as well isn't it/ -ANY TAKERS here. after all devotion, purity, venerance is essential and when done must be accepted.

about baretop poojs in northand clad ones inNorth is more due to weather factors than culture, but had they practiced good yoga, pranayama they can do it surely bare chesed Drirendra Brahmachari lived, walk in bare clothes in Siberia with a lot of tests conducted if he was faking it or appearign to be strong while his body was taking a beating, no HIS BODY was as normal as it would be inDelhi or there with thermal clothing. so u can make changes to lifestule else dress style for the weaker ones.

rituals too in north they follow the sukla Yajur veda, in South it is Krishna Yajur veda the sound, words end more organised and not broken. in South. and many more North was more under Imperial Islamic, Christian rulers than south.

so less influences of them in education and thus recitation of the sounds, mantras rituals etc.

Shob <sho56642 > wrote: Hi friends,

I had been going thru the series of conversations about Sabarimala. Its always strongly beleived in Kerala that kids i mean girl kids till 10 can enter Sabarimala and then only after 50,the reason behind this is already cleared by one of you.ie; the womenly issues and its striclty says people are suppose to get benefits after 40 days vrath which is not simply possible by all age of women. (b/w- 10-50)

The uniqueness of the temple is revealed only thru such specific features. Moreover ,Kerala a place where feminists raise their voice for anything and everything....have never raised their voice against this,because they also understand the theory behind this.

You can correct me if am wrong but am a person who had visited Sabarimala in my childhood for 10 times. And had seen my dad and uncles also following rules..for "Malakayattam" ..My dad is a person who has gone to Mala for may be around 50+ times..Its true that there must not be bias...but the reason is above which i mentioned. There are cultural differences in South and North.Also there are ritual differences also in temples..in the both regions..People dont wear shirt and do pooja at south India..but i have seen people wearing shirt or jubba and doing pooja..these are basically cusotm differences which are notable..but not commendable.

I guess i have not made any comments which hurts anyone. But if so..kindly forgive me and i aplogize.

Regards,

Shoba

sriganeshh <sriganeshh > wrote:

Prashantji,

Let me make it very clear...

I never dragged and branded you as ANTI-TAMIL, i am trying to make

you see the reasoning and relevance ...i do agree that you may have

genuine grievances but that should not be allowed to interfere when

you do divination...because it is divine and when i say divine, it

concerns with mind and heart of the reader and diviner...as long as

the communication is understood by the both and then there is no

standards needed...You are trying to build standards which i am

opposing because in the process you are affecting the sentiments of

some section of people....why should you or for that matter we do

this...

I respect your seniority, experience and standing with stalwarts,

but please excuse me i dont get stopped by all this as long as i

feel what i am doing is right because all my actions are dedicated

to my divine mother srilalitha devi...it is she who taught me all

this and it is she who is directing all my responses too....no

offence intended here..

back to your points,

1. These days, you have sufficient resources to do research like

internet forums, groups and astro websites etc., one can take up the

data one wants and can concentrate .like RRji and Balaji

Narasimhan...beautiful analysis and write ups..

2. If you say that they are just indulging in glorifying tamil in

jyotish council, then it is really wrong and you can stand up for

this wrong activity and i am sure, you will come out successful.

But If you say that it is wrong to learn astrology in one's mother

language then i am sorry i am against you...

3.About Sabarimala, let us first understand the base framework and

then question all other things...i hope you will understand that...i

dont know the base principles on which the present framework has

been created and without knowing, commenting on issues is not my

way....

4.//when other faiths are paying tons of money to convert to their

faith we must not loose our own who want to come and follow some

rules not rigid ones//

i neither accept this statement nor wish to offer any comments ...it

is self defeating one....

sriganeshh

>

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@>

> wrote: dear

friends

> >

> > the recent sabarimala controversy due to jayamala's

confession

> to an

> > astrologer made public, has made the media busy with

portraying

> such

> > rules as gender bias.

> >

> > no god ever tells that only one religion people shall come

to me.

> > earlier in india in the same religion also lower castes were

not

> > allowed to visit temples. now in the same religion females

are

> not

> > allowed. in another temple in the south, foreigners are not

> allowed

> > even to have a darshan at a distance and all they can watch

is

> the

> > temple from outside. truly these things are spoiling the

> reputation

> > of the great vedic culture and this holy land which has been

> > treating all humans equally .

> >

> > most famous holy places are situated in the north, be it

ayodhya,

> > mathura, kashi or many jyotirlingas and shakti peethas and

in all

> > these places, all humans (including females) are allowed

inside

> the

> > sanctum sanctorum and can offer poojas by touching the

dieties.

> > unfortunately in south india, there are too many bias on too

many

> > counts. if you wish to have a free darshan of the diety, you

> would

> > watch the diety at a distance of 100 feet. if you pay rs.100

you

> > would watch the diety at a lesser distance of 50 feet. if

you pay

> > rs.500 you would watch the diety clost to the diety at just

10

> > feet. you pay more than rs.1000 you can go inside the sanctum

> > sanctorum and sit in front of the god. nowhere in any of the

most

> > famous temples (ayodhya, mathura or kasi) not even one rupee

is

> > charged and all rich and poor will have same close darshan

alike

> > without any bias.

> >

> > seems like none of the south indian temple managers have

learnt

> any

> > lesson from the adi sankaracharya (south indian) who found

shiva

> in

> > a chandal in kashi and what he preached to his followers in

the

> > south has been falling on deaf ears.

> >

> > it is high time people realise the gender bias, caste bias,

money

> > bias and allow all humans to reach the god, FOR THE SAME GOD

> DWELLS

> > IN ALL HUMAN BEINGS.

> >

> > the reason for my writing this in this group is because all

> > astrologers advocate worshipping of certain deities or visit

> certain

> > temple to all humans equally without any bias of caste,

religion

> or

> > gender.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > pandit arjun

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Prashantkumar G B

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