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Respected RRji,

 

Honest answer is no. I never got along with my father but my relationship with my mother has been very good throughtout. As far as my teachers, excellent relationship and as a matter of fact I was a favorite student wherever I studied, to the extent that during my master's program (US), my professor came to me during the final exam of 'Mass Transfer' and told me to leave because he thought I knew the subject so well that I need not give the exam. It was one of the greatest honor a student can get. Similarly, wherever I worked, my managers were actually my protectors and promoters. To summarize, I must have tremendous blessing of Guru because I always got along with elders, teachers, bosses and still do.

I really do not understand my horoscope. All the malefic planets seem to act very much in my favor. I can not figure out really who is malefic for me. By the way I have been diligently trying to rectify my birthtime and it looks like 22:00:40.934 seem to work. This new time does not change my rasi chart but navamsa lagna changes to Gemini making my lagna vargottam. Also it makes Rahu and Ketu vargottam.

With Regards,

Pratap

 

crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the rahu in

1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

 

Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion between you

and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point in life?

Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

 

Thanks

 

RR

 

, Pratap Kaneria

 

wrote:

>

> Respected RRji,

>

> I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu in

Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

>

> Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -

- it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.' does not

apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy going, lazy

and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone until

proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting nature,

I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends and

family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how looking

at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

>

> My birth data is

> DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27, 21N44

(Dhoraji, India)

>

> With Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

>

>

>

>

>

> vijayamalur wrote:

> Dear sir

>

> I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in lagna. Infact

i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

>

> Can you analyse my horoscope pls

>

> vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

>

> I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in lagna as The

latter would

> reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

losing a

> lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and loved

ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy of mine

to my family sir

>

> I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or reduce the

ill effect of it

>

> eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

>

> best regards

>

> vijaya

>

>

>

> -

> crystal pages

>

> Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> Re: Rahu in Lagna

>

>

> Dear Milind,

>

> Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is creating?

> Please describe for my benefit what your belief is regarding

mantras?

> Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would get

fixed

> (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

>

> Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it makes the

native

> very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is that the

> individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

materialistically,

> but over the years they tend to lose things that were in their

lifeplan

> but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The latter

would

> reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

losing a

> lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and loved

ones.

>

> The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The characteristics of

> that planet do not get expressed naturally and that sometimes

offers

> the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may not

always

> need a mantra or gemstone etc.

>

> Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal your

data, I

> could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are really

> looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want to do so

and

> someone will pick up the thread.

>

> It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a fixed box!

In

> the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad roles

and

> bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not closed the

> window of our mind!

>

> RR

>

> , "padhyemilind2002"

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hello

> > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun, wherever it

is

> > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since Sun is

> > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity other

planets

> > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at 29.53

degrees

> > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd position, and

hence

> I

> > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these positions.

Any

> > ideas?

> > Thanks

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I was going with venus since it has been named as a karaka for mother

in certain contexts.

So there was a less than optimum trust with one of the parents!

 

Regarding -- teachers I am glad that you had no problem. Was there

something with the type of education that you found yourself in or

the educational system, the entire experience that could connect with

the theme of suspicion, excessive caution, mistrust?

 

Please do not think of me as judgmental but there does seem to be an

undercurrent of very strong vein of disbelief and suspicion and lack

of trust, if you are being perfectly honest here!

 

You Sir do not even trust your own birthdata, the very source of your

astrological being! This is not meaningless! Obviously you are not

all that laid-back and lazy and easy-going as you tried to portray

yourself or perhaps view yourself as ;-)

 

I looked up Doris Chase Doane's Time Changes in the World (predates

my computers and software and it states:

DST (same as WT) observed 1942-sep-01 to 1945-oct-15 except:

Bengal province (specific dates given)

Assam province (sp dates)

Bihar province (sp dates)

 

Gujrat is not mentioned!

 

This is not definitive but seems like you would have to do some more

research and find out what was really being followed in Dohraji at

the time of your birth!

 

Suspicion - even manageable paranoia - disbelief is not all that bad,

trust me! The only reason we are still not in some cave, eating roots

and insects is because we did not trust status quo! We decided to

crawl out of the caves!!

 

Please seek enlightenment and while you are at it, searching your

astrological roots, enlighten and educate us!

 

I say that with all sincerity!!

 

RR

 

, Pratap Kaneria

<pkaneria wrote:

>

> Respected RRji,

>

> Honest answer is no. I never got along with my father but my

relationship with my mother has been very good throughtout. As far as

my teachers, excellent relationship and as a matter of fact I was a

favorite student wherever I studied, to the extent that during my

master's program (US), my professor came to me during the final exam

of 'Mass Transfer' and told me to leave because he thought I knew the

subject so well that I need not give the exam. It was one of the

greatest honor a student can get. Similarly, wherever I worked, my

managers were actually my protectors and promoters. To summarize, I

must have tremendous blessing of Guru because I always got along with

elders, teachers, bosses and still do.

>

> I really do not understand my horoscope. All the malefic planets

seem to act very much in my favor. I can not figure out really who is

malefic for me. By the way I have been diligently trying to rectify

my birthtime and it looks like 22:00:40.934 seem to work. This new

time does not change my rasi chart but navamsa lagna changes to

Gemini making my lagna vargottam. Also it makes Rahu and Ketu

vargottam.

>

> With Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

>

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

> How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the rahu

in

> 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

>

> Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion between you

> and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point in

life?

> Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

>

> Thanks

>

> RR

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Respected RRji,

> >

> > I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu in

> Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> >

> > Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -

> - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.' does not

> apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy going, lazy

> and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone until

> proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

nature,

> I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends and

> family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

looking

> at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> >

> > My birth data is

> > DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27, 21N44

> (Dhoraji, India)

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vijayamalur wrote:

> > Dear sir

> >

> > I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in lagna.

Infact

> i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> >

> > Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> >

> > vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> >

> > I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in lagna as

The

> latter would

> > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> losing a

> > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and loved

> ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy of

mine

> to my family sir

> >

> > I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or reduce

the

> ill effect of it

> >

> > eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> >

> > best regards

> >

> > vijaya

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > crystal pages

> >

> > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> > Re: Rahu in Lagna

> >

> >

> > Dear Milind,

> >

> > Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is creating?

> > Please describe for my benefit what your belief is regarding

> mantras?

> > Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would get

> fixed

> > (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> >

> > Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it makes the

> native

> > very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is that

the

> > individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> materialistically,

> > but over the years they tend to lose things that were in their

> lifeplan

> > but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The latter

> would

> > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> losing a

> > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and loved

> ones.

> >

> > The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The characteristics

of

> > that planet do not get expressed naturally and that sometimes

> offers

> > the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may not

> always

> > need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> >

> > Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal your

> data, I

> > could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are really

> > looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want to do

so

> and

> > someone will pick up the thread.

> >

> > It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a fixed

box!

> In

> > the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad roles

> and

> > bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not closed

the

> > window of our mind!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "padhyemilind2002"

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello

> > > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun, wherever it

> is

> > > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since Sun is

> > > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity other

> planets

> > > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at 29.53

> degrees

> > > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd position, and

> hence

> > I

> > > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

positions.

> Any

> > > ideas?

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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There was no issue of trust with my father. I have always believed in 'live and let live' policy and I just could not stand his dictatorial attitude and that why never had much communication with him.

What I said about education and work is honest. Let me give couple of points of description of myself as I see them. I am lazy when it comes anything physical. I love to sleep, stay up late, get up late on my schedule and take afternoon naps. Always looking for short cuts. But I love solving problems that require use of brains. For example I collected data on horse racing for about 20 yrs trying to figure out a system to make a killing. I must have spent may be 10,000 hrs doing that. Then I gave it up completely and suddenly. When I am not writing or reading my emails, I am either reading books on astrology or hypnotism or something like that or I am figuring out 'Sudoku' puzzles of evil category (hardest). I am quite extemist in the sense that either I like something very much or I don't like it at all. There is no middle ground. If I do something I will do it intensively and with singular focus. I absolutely do not like confrontation. Therefore most of the time instead

of arguing even when I am right, I will just agree to avoid confrontation. That does not mean I have really agreed. My opinions hardly ever change. I am obstinate that way. I am very adaptable, can put up with things that I don't like for long time if I need to. I am self-reliant, adaptable, independent and very confident. I was very ambitious when I started working but not anymore. I have knowledge of many subjects but always superficial. Oh, one other thing I am not a good student in the sense that I always question anything taught to me. May be that is why I haven't learned anything in depth.

Why am I telling you all this? May be because it might get you interested in looking at my chart and making a prediction that will come true in near future.

Yes I have doubts about my birthtime and wartime corrections. And that is why I was inquiring about the application of divisional charts the other day. I am not entirely convinced about astrology and all the rules written in so many books because many are quite contradictory. Yet I want to believe that there must be a few people who have mastered this science enough to make a definitive prediction. With so many rules, like Pradeep said, any past event can be explained by one or the other rule that applies, because there are thousands of rules to choose from.

One thing I have concluded is that a person who does not believe in astrology or has no interest in astrology, is a person happy in all aspects of life.

Pratap

I

 

crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

I was going with venus since it has been named as a karaka for mother

in certain contexts.

So there was a less than optimum trust with one of the parents!

 

Regarding -- teachers I am glad that you had no problem. Was there

something with the type of education that you found yourself in or

the educational system, the entire experience that could connect with

the theme of suspicion, excessive caution, mistrust?

 

Please do not think of me as judgmental but there does seem to be an

undercurrent of very strong vein of disbelief and suspicion and lack

of trust, if you are being perfectly honest here!

 

You Sir do not even trust your own birthdata, the very source of your

astrological being! This is not meaningless! Obviously you are not

all that laid-back and lazy and easy-going as you tried to portray

yourself or perhaps view yourself as ;-)

 

I looked up Doris Chase Doane's Time Changes in the World (predates

my computers and software and it states:

DST (same as WT) observed 1942-sep-01 to 1945-oct-15 except:

Bengal province (specific dates given)

Assam province (sp dates)

Bihar province (sp dates)

 

Gujrat is not mentioned!

 

This is not definitive but seems like you would have to do some more

research and find out what was really being followed in Dohraji at

the time of your birth!

 

Suspicion - even manageable paranoia - disbelief is not all that bad,

trust me! The only reason we are still not in some cave, eating roots

and insects is because we did not trust status quo! We decided to

crawl out of the caves!!

 

Please seek enlightenment and while you are at it, searching your

astrological roots, enlighten and educate us!

 

I say that with all sincerity!!

 

RR

 

, Pratap Kaneria

 

wrote:

>

> Respected RRji,

>

> Honest answer is no. I never got along with my father but my

relationship with my mother has been very good throughtout. As far as

my teachers, excellent relationship and as a matter of fact I was a

favorite student wherever I studied, to the extent that during my

master's program (US), my professor came to me during the final exam

of 'Mass Transfer' and told me to leave because he thought I knew the

subject so well that I need not give the exam. It was one of the

greatest honor a student can get. Similarly, wherever I worked, my

managers were actually my protectors and promoters. To summarize, I

must have tremendous blessing of Guru because I always got along with

elders, teachers, bosses and still do.

>

> I really do not understand my horoscope. All the malefic planets

seem to act very much in my favor. I can not figure out really who is

malefic for me. By the way I have been diligently trying to rectify

my birthtime and it looks like 22:00:40.934 seem to work. This new

time does not change my rasi chart but navamsa lagna changes to

Gemini making my lagna vargottam. Also it makes Rahu and Ketu

vargottam.

>

> With Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

>

>

> crystal pages wrote:

> How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the rahu

in

> 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

>

> Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion between you

> and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point in

life?

> Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

>

> Thanks

>

> RR

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Respected RRji,

> >

> > I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu in

> Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> >

> > Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -

> - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.' does not

> apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy going, lazy

> and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone until

> proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

nature,

> I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends and

> family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

looking

> at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> >

> > My birth data is

> > DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27, 21N44

> (Dhoraji, India)

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vijayamalur wrote:

> > Dear sir

> >

> > I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in lagna.

Infact

> i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> >

> > Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> >

> > vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> >

> > I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in lagna as

The

> latter would

> > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> losing a

> > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and loved

> ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy of

mine

> to my family sir

> >

> > I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or reduce

the

> ill effect of it

> >

> > eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> >

> > best regards

> >

> > vijaya

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > crystal pages

> >

> > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> > Re: Rahu in Lagna

> >

> >

> > Dear Milind,

> >

> > Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is creating?

> > Please describe for my benefit what your belief is regarding

> mantras?

> > Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would get

> fixed

> > (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> >

> > Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it makes the

> native

> > very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is that

the

> > individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> materialistically,

> > but over the years they tend to lose things that were in their

> lifeplan

> > but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The latter

> would

> > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> losing a

> > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and loved

> ones.

> >

> > The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The characteristics

of

> > that planet do not get expressed naturally and that sometimes

> offers

> > the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may not

> always

> > need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> >

> > Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal your

> data, I

> > could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are really

> > looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want to do

so

> and

> > someone will pick up the thread.

> >

> > It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a fixed

box!

> In

> > the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad roles

> and

> > bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not closed

the

> > window of our mind!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "padhyemilind2002"

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello

> > > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun, wherever it

> is

> > > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since Sun is

> > > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity other

> planets

> > > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at 29.53

> degrees

> > > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd position, and

> hence

> > I

> > > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

positions.

> Any

> > > ideas?

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I have rahu in Aquarius along with Mars and Jupiter. I am not

suspicious at all.

why?

asha

 

 

 

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the rahu

in

> 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

>

> Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion between

you

> and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point in

life?

> Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

>

> Thanks

>

> RR

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

> <pkaneria@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected RRji,

> >

> > I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu in

> Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> >

> > Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

always -

> - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.' does not

> apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy going,

lazy

> and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone

until

> proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

nature,

> I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends and

> family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

looking

> at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> >

> > My birth data is

> > DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27, 21N44

> (Dhoraji, India)

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vijayamalur <vijayamalur@> wrote:

> > Dear sir

> >

> > I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in lagna.

Infact

> i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> >

> > Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> >

> > vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> >

> > I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in lagna as

The

> latter would

> > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> losing a

> > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

loved

> ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy of

mine

> to my family sir

> >

> > I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or reduce

the

> ill effect of it

> >

> > eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> >

> > best regards

> >

> > vijaya

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > crystal pages

> >

> > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> > Re: Rahu in Lagna

> >

> >

> > Dear Milind,

> >

> > Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is creating?

> > Please describe for my benefit what your belief is regarding

> mantras?

> > Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would get

> fixed

> > (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> >

> > Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it makes the

> native

> > very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is that

the

> > individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> materialistically,

> > but over the years they tend to lose things that were in their

> lifeplan

> > but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The latter

> would

> > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> losing a

> > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

loved

> ones.

> >

> > The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The characteristics

of

> > that planet do not get expressed naturally and that sometimes

> offers

> > the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may not

> always

> > need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> >

> > Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal your

> data, I

> > could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are really

> > looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want to do

so

> and

> > someone will pick up the thread.

> >

> > It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a fixed

box!

> In

> > the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad roles

> and

> > bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not closed

the

> > window of our mind!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "padhyemilind2002"

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello

> > > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun, wherever

it

> is

> > > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since Sun

is

> > > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity other

> planets

> > > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at 29.53

> degrees

> > > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd position, and

> hence

> > I

> > > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

positions.

> Any

> > > ideas?

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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you remind me so strikingly of the several significant taurus lagnas

that I have been blessed to meet in my life :-)

 

The first one that I so fondly remember introduced me to Raman

Ayanamsha!

 

They were/are all very beautiful people!! Every single one I met in

one form or another!!!

 

Why change anything?

 

Hope you find your peace ...

 

RR

 

, Pratap Kaneria

<pkaneria wrote:

>

> There was no issue of trust with my father. I have always believed

in 'live and let live' policy and I just could not stand his

dictatorial attitude and that why never had much communication with

him.

>

> What I said about education and work is honest. Let me give

couple of points of description of myself as I see them. I am lazy

when it comes anything physical. I love to sleep, stay up late, get

up late on my schedule and take afternoon naps. Always looking for

short cuts. But I love solving problems that require use of brains.

For example I collected data on horse racing for about 20 yrs trying

to figure out a system to make a killing. I must have spent may be

10,000 hrs doing that. Then I gave it up completely and suddenly.

When I am not writing or reading my emails, I am either reading books

on astrology or hypnotism or something like that or I am figuring

out 'Sudoku' puzzles of evil category (hardest). I am quite extemist

in the sense that either I like something very much or I don't like

it at all. There is no middle ground. If I do something I will do it

intensively and with singular focus. I absolutely do not like

confrontation. Therefore most of the time instead

> of arguing even when I am right, I will just agree to avoid

confrontation. That does not mean I have really agreed. My opinions

hardly ever change. I am obstinate that way. I am very adaptable, can

put up with things that I don't like for long time if I need to. I am

self-reliant, adaptable, independent and very confident. I was very

ambitious when I started working but not anymore. I have knowledge

of many subjects but always superficial. Oh, one other thing I am not

a good student in the sense that I always question anything taught to

me. May be that is why I haven't learned anything in depth.

>

> Why am I telling you all this? May be because it might get you

interested in looking at my chart and making a prediction that will

come true in near future.

>

> Yes I have doubts about my birthtime and wartime corrections. And

that is why I was inquiring about the application of divisional

charts the other day. I am not entirely convinced about astrology and

all the rules written in so many books because many are quite

contradictory. Yet I want to believe that there must be a few people

who have mastered this science enough to make a definitive

prediction. With so many rules, like Pradeep said, any past event can

be explained by one or the other rule that applies, because there are

thousands of rules to choose from.

>

> One thing I have concluded is that a person who does not believe

in astrology or has no interest in astrology, is a person happy in

all aspects of life.

>

> Pratap

>

> I

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

> I was going with venus since it has been named as a karaka for

mother

> in certain contexts.

> So there was a less than optimum trust with one of the parents!

>

> Regarding -- teachers I am glad that you had no problem. Was there

> something with the type of education that you found yourself in or

> the educational system, the entire experience that could connect

with

> the theme of suspicion, excessive caution, mistrust?

>

> Please do not think of me as judgmental but there does seem to be

an

> undercurrent of very strong vein of disbelief and suspicion and

lack

> of trust, if you are being perfectly honest here!

>

> You Sir do not even trust your own birthdata, the very source of

your

> astrological being! This is not meaningless! Obviously you are not

> all that laid-back and lazy and easy-going as you tried to portray

> yourself or perhaps view yourself as ;-)

>

> I looked up Doris Chase Doane's Time Changes in the World (predates

> my computers and software and it states:

> DST (same as WT) observed 1942-sep-01 to 1945-oct-15 except:

> Bengal province (specific dates given)

> Assam province (sp dates)

> Bihar province (sp dates)

>

> Gujrat is not mentioned!

>

> This is not definitive but seems like you would have to do some

more

> research and find out what was really being followed in Dohraji at

> the time of your birth!

>

> Suspicion - even manageable paranoia - disbelief is not all that

bad,

> trust me! The only reason we are still not in some cave, eating

roots

> and insects is because we did not trust status quo! We decided to

> crawl out of the caves!!

>

> Please seek enlightenment and while you are at it, searching your

> astrological roots, enlighten and educate us!

>

> I say that with all sincerity!!

>

> RR

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Respected RRji,

> >

> > Honest answer is no. I never got along with my father but my

> relationship with my mother has been very good throughtout. As far

as

> my teachers, excellent relationship and as a matter of fact I was a

> favorite student wherever I studied, to the extent that during my

> master's program (US), my professor came to me during the final

exam

> of 'Mass Transfer' and told me to leave because he thought I knew

the

> subject so well that I need not give the exam. It was one of the

> greatest honor a student can get. Similarly, wherever I worked, my

> managers were actually my protectors and promoters. To summarize, I

> must have tremendous blessing of Guru because I always got along

with

> elders, teachers, bosses and still do.

> >

> > I really do not understand my horoscope. All the malefic planets

> seem to act very much in my favor. I can not figure out really who

is

> malefic for me. By the way I have been diligently trying to rectify

> my birthtime and it looks like 22:00:40.934 seem to work. This new

> time does not change my rasi chart but navamsa lagna changes to

> Gemini making my lagna vargottam. Also it makes Rahu and Ketu

> vargottam.

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> >

> >

> > crystal pages wrote:

> > How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the rahu

> in

> > 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

> >

> > Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion between

you

> > and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point in

> life?

> > Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected RRji,

> > >

> > > I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu in

> > Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> > >

> > > Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

always -

> > - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.' does

not

> > apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy going,

lazy

> > and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone

until

> > proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

> nature,

> > I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends and

> > family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

> looking

> > at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> > >

> > > My birth data is

> > > DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27, 21N44

> > (Dhoraji, India)

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vijayamalur wrote:

> > > Dear sir

> > >

> > > I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in lagna.

> Infact

> > i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> > >

> > > Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> > >

> > > vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> > >

> > > I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in lagna as

> The

> > latter would

> > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> > losing a

> > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

loved

> > ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy of

> mine

> > to my family sir

> > >

> > > I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or reduce

> the

> > ill effect of it

> > >

> > > eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> > >

> > > best regards

> > >

> > > vijaya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > crystal pages

> > >

> > > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> > > Re: Rahu in Lagna

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Milind,

> > >

> > > Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is creating?

> > > Please describe for my benefit what your belief is regarding

> > mantras?

> > > Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would get

> > fixed

> > > (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> > >

> > > Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it makes

the

> > native

> > > very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is that

> the

> > > individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> > materialistically,

> > > but over the years they tend to lose things that were in their

> > lifeplan

> > > but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The latter

> > would

> > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> > losing a

> > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

loved

> > ones.

> > >

> > > The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

characteristics

> of

> > > that planet do not get expressed naturally and that sometimes

> > offers

> > > the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may not

> > always

> > > need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> > >

> > > Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal your

> > data, I

> > > could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are

really

> > > looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want to do

> so

> > and

> > > someone will pick up the thread.

> > >

> > > It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a fixed

> box!

> > In

> > > the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad

roles

> > and

> > > bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not closed

> the

> > > window of our mind!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "padhyemilind2002"

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello

> > > > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun, wherever

it

> > is

> > > > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since Sun

is

> > > > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity other

> > planets

> > > > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at 29.53

> > degrees

> > > > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd position,

and

> > hence

> > > I

> > > > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

> positions.

> > Any

> > > > ideas?

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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suspicious, Asha is the phase II, Paranoid is phase III!

 

Are you cautious? That is phase I

 

I think you are, or why would you care to post, even?

 

I rest my case, said half-jestingly!! ;-)

 

RR

 

, "ASHA" <asha wrote:

>

> I have rahu in Aquarius along with Mars and Jupiter. I am not

> suspicious at all.

> why?

> asha

>

>

>

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the rahu

> in

> > 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

> >

> > Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion between

> you

> > and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point in

> life?

> > Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> > <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected RRji,

> > >

> > > I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu in

> > Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> > >

> > > Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

> always -

> > - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.' does

not

> > apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy going,

> lazy

> > and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone

> until

> > proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

> nature,

> > I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends and

> > family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

> looking

> > at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> > >

> > > My birth data is

> > > DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27, 21N44

> > (Dhoraji, India)

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vijayamalur <vijayamalur@> wrote:

> > > Dear sir

> > >

> > > I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in lagna.

> Infact

> > i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> > >

> > > Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> > >

> > > vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> > >

> > > I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in lagna as

> The

> > latter would

> > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> > losing a

> > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> loved

> > ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy of

> mine

> > to my family sir

> > >

> > > I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or reduce

> the

> > ill effect of it

> > >

> > > eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> > >

> > > best regards

> > >

> > > vijaya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > crystal pages

> > >

> > > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> > > Re: Rahu in Lagna

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Milind,

> > >

> > > Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is creating?

> > > Please describe for my benefit what your belief is regarding

> > mantras?

> > > Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would get

> > fixed

> > > (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> > >

> > > Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it makes

the

> > native

> > > very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is that

> the

> > > individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> > materialistically,

> > > but over the years they tend to lose things that were in their

> > lifeplan

> > > but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The latter

> > would

> > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> > losing a

> > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> loved

> > ones.

> > >

> > > The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

characteristics

> of

> > > that planet do not get expressed naturally and that sometimes

> > offers

> > > the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may not

> > always

> > > need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> > >

> > > Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal your

> > data, I

> > > could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are

really

> > > looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want to do

> so

> > and

> > > someone will pick up the thread.

> > >

> > > It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a fixed

> box!

> > In

> > > the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad

roles

> > and

> > > bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not closed

> the

> > > window of our mind!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "padhyemilind2002"

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello

> > > > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun, wherever

> it

> > is

> > > > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since Sun

> is

> > > > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity other

> > planets

> > > > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at 29.53

> > degrees

> > > > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd position,

and

> > hence

> > > I

> > > > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

> positions.

> > Any

> > > > ideas?

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Honestly RohiniRanjanji, I am stupidly trusting. and cautious even

spelling is not known-I am that kind. But I have

mars 4d+Jupiter 15d+rahu 27 d Lagna is 28.4 degrees.

moon 20 in taurus

saturn R 9 d in virgo

Mercury 11 d in sagi

sun 5 d+venus 21 d in capricorn

RR ji-I am going thru hell financially for last 2 and half years

more so since last 19 months. will I come out of it? I have ayoung

daughter to raise and educate as yet.

I m in Baltimore

Its saturn dasha moon sub getting over on July 17th. starting mars

sub.

would appreciate your input.

regards

asha kamath

 

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> suspicious, Asha is the phase II, Paranoid is phase III!

>

> Are you cautious? That is phase I

>

> I think you are, or why would you care to post, even?

>

> I rest my case, said half-jestingly!! ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , "ASHA" <asha@> wrote:

> >

> > I have rahu in Aquarius along with Mars and Jupiter. I am not

> > suspicious at all.

> > why?

> > asha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the

rahu

> > in

> > > 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

> > >

> > > Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion

between

> > you

> > > and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point in

> > life?

> > > Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Pratap Kaneria

> > > <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected RRji,

> > > >

> > > > I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu

in

> > > Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> > > >

> > > > Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

> > always -

> > > - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.' does

> not

> > > apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy going,

> > lazy

> > > and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone

> > until

> > > proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

> > nature,

> > > I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends

and

> > > family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

> > looking

> > > at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> > > >

> > > > My birth data is

> > > > DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27,

21N44

> > > (Dhoraji, India)

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vijayamalur <vijayamalur@> wrote:

> > > > Dear sir

> > > >

> > > > I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in lagna.

> > Infact

> > > i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> > > >

> > > > vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> > > >

> > > > I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in lagna

as

> > The

> > > latter would

> > > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

up

> > > losing a

> > > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> > loved

> > > ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy

of

> > mine

> > > to my family sir

> > > >

> > > > I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or

reduce

> > the

> > > ill effect of it

> > > >

> > > > eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> > > >

> > > > best regards

> > > >

> > > > vijaya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > crystal pages

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> > > > Re: Rahu in Lagna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Milind,

> > > >

> > > > Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is creating?

> > > > Please describe for my benefit what your belief is regarding

> > > mantras?

> > > > Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would

get

> > > fixed

> > > > (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> > > >

> > > > Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it makes

> the

> > > native

> > > > very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is

that

> > the

> > > > individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> > > materialistically,

> > > > but over the years they tend to lose things that were in

their

> > > lifeplan

> > > > but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The

latter

> > > would

> > > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

up

> > > losing a

> > > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> > loved

> > > ones.

> > > >

> > > > The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

> characteristics

> > of

> > > > that planet do not get expressed naturally and that

sometimes

> > > offers

> > > > the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may

not

> > > always

> > > > need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> > > >

> > > > Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal

your

> > > data, I

> > > > could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are

> really

> > > > looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want to

do

> > so

> > > and

> > > > someone will pick up the thread.

> > > >

> > > > It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a

fixed

> > box!

> > > In

> > > > the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad

> roles

> > > and

> > > > bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not

closed

> > the

> > > > window of our mind!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "padhyemilind2002"

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello

> > > > > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun,

wherever

> > it

> > > is

> > > > > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since

Sun

> > is

> > > > > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity

other

> > > planets

> > > > > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at

29.53

> > > degrees

> > > > > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd position,

> and

> > > hence

> > > > I

> > > > > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

> > positions.

> > > Any

> > > > > ideas?

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Rohini Ji,

 

Sorry to jump in.

 

But, according to my limited experiences with astrology, Pratap Ji has a gemini ascendent, but aquarius navamsa.

 

Just gave my unworthy two cents.

 

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

 

 

[The services of this professional astrologer are free on this group but off-group consultations are chargeable]

 

 

 

 

-

crystal pages

Saturday, 01 July, 2006 10:30

Re: Rahu in Lagna

 

 

you remind me so strikingly of the several significant taurus lagnas

that I have been blessed to meet in my life :-)

 

The first one that I so fondly remember introduced me to Raman

Ayanamsha!

 

They were/are all very beautiful people!! Every single one I met in

one form or another!!!

 

Why change anything?

 

Hope you find your peace ...

 

RR

 

, Pratap Kaneria

<pkaneria wrote:

>

> There was no issue of trust with my father. I have always believed

in 'live and let live' policy and I just could not stand his

dictatorial attitude and that why never had much communication with

him.

>

> What I said about education and work is honest. Let me give

couple of points of description of myself as I see them. I am lazy

when it comes anything physical. I love to sleep, stay up late, get

up late on my schedule and take afternoon naps. Always looking for

short cuts. But I love solving problems that require use of brains.

For example I collected data on horse racing for about 20 yrs trying

to figure out a system to make a killing. I must have spent may be

10,000 hrs doing that. Then I gave it up completely and suddenly.

When I am not writing or reading my emails, I am either reading books

on astrology or hypnotism or something like that or I am figuring

out 'Sudoku' puzzles of evil category (hardest). I am quite extemist

in the sense that either I like something very much or I don't like

it at all. There is no middle ground. If I do something I will do it

intensively and with singular focus. I absolutely do not like

confrontation. Therefore most of the time instead

> of arguing even when I am right, I will just agree to avoid

confrontation. That does not mean I have really agreed. My opinions

hardly ever change. I am obstinate that way. I am very adaptable, can

put up with things that I don't like for long time if I need to. I am

self-reliant, adaptable, independent and very confident. I was very

ambitious when I started working but not anymore. I have knowledge

of many subjects but always superficial. Oh, one other thing I am not

a good student in the sense that I always question anything taught to

me. May be that is why I haven't learned anything in depth.

>

> Why am I telling you all this? May be because it might get you

interested in looking at my chart and making a prediction that will

come true in near future.

>

> Yes I have doubts about my birthtime and wartime corrections. And

that is why I was inquiring about the application of divisional

charts the other day. I am not entirely convinced about astrology and

all the rules written in so many books because many are quite

contradictory. Yet I want to believe that there must be a few people

who have mastered this science enough to make a definitive

prediction. With so many rules, like Pradeep said, any past event can

be explained by one or the other rule that applies, because there are

thousands of rules to choose from.

>

> One thing I have concluded is that a person who does not believe

in astrology or has no interest in astrology, is a person happy in

all aspects of life.

>

> Pratap

>

> I

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

> I was going with venus since it has been named as a karaka for

mother

> in certain contexts.

> So there was a less than optimum trust with one of the parents!

>

> Regarding -- teachers I am glad that you had no problem. Was there

> something with the type of education that you found yourself in or

> the educational system, the entire experience that could connect

with

> the theme of suspicion, excessive caution, mistrust?

>

> Please do not think of me as judgmental but there does seem to be

an

> undercurrent of very strong vein of disbelief and suspicion and

lack

> of trust, if you are being perfectly honest here!

>

> You Sir do not even trust your own birthdata, the very source of

your

> astrological being! This is not meaningless! Obviously you are not

> all that laid-back and lazy and easy-going as you tried to portray

> yourself or perhaps view yourself as ;-)

>

> I looked up Doris Chase Doane's Time Changes in the World (predates

> my computers and software and it states:

> DST (same as WT) observed 1942-sep-01 to 1945-oct-15 except:

> Bengal province (specific dates given)

> Assam province (sp dates)

> Bihar province (sp dates)

>

> Gujrat is not mentioned!

>

> This is not definitive but seems like you would have to do some

more

> research and find out what was really being followed in Dohraji at

> the time of your birth!

>

> Suspicion - even manageable paranoia - disbelief is not all that

bad,

> trust me! The only reason we are still not in some cave, eating

roots

> and insects is because we did not trust status quo! We decided to

> crawl out of the caves!!

>

> Please seek enlightenment and while you are at it, searching your

> astrological roots, enlighten and educate us!

>

> I say that with all sincerity!!

>

> RR

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Respected RRji,

> >

> > Honest answer is no. I never got along with my father but my

> relationship with my mother has been very good throughtout. As far

as

> my teachers, excellent relationship and as a matter of fact I was a

> favorite student wherever I studied, to the extent that during my

> master's program (US), my professor came to me during the final

exam

> of 'Mass Transfer' and told me to leave because he thought I knew

the

> subject so well that I need not give the exam. It was one of the

> greatest honor a student can get. Similarly, wherever I worked, my

> managers were actually my protectors and promoters. To summarize, I

> must have tremendous blessing of Guru because I always got along

with

> elders, teachers, bosses and still do.

> >

> > I really do not understand my horoscope. All the malefic planets

> seem to act very much in my favor. I can not figure out really who

is

> malefic for me. By the way I have been diligently trying to rectify

> my birthtime and it looks like 22:00:40.934 seem to work. This new

> time does not change my rasi chart but navamsa lagna changes to

> Gemini making my lagna vargottam. Also it makes Rahu and Ketu

> vargottam.

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> >

> >

> > crystal pages wrote:

> > How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the rahu

> in

> > 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

> >

> > Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion between

you

> > and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point in

> life?

> > Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected RRji,

> > >

> > > I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu in

> > Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> > >

> > > Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

always -

> > - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.' does

not

> > apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy going,

lazy

> > and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone

until

> > proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

> nature,

> > I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends and

> > family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

> looking

> > at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> > >

> > > My birth data is

> > > DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27, 21N44

> > (Dhoraji, India)

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vijayamalur wrote:

> > > Dear sir

> > >

> > > I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in lagna.

> Infact

> > i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> > >

> > > Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> > >

> > > vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> > >

> > > I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in lagna as

> The

> > latter would

> > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> > losing a

> > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

loved

> > ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy of

> mine

> > to my family sir

> > >

> > > I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or reduce

> the

> > ill effect of it

> > >

> > > eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> > >

> > > best regards

> > >

> > > vijaya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > crystal pages

> > >

> > > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> > > Re: Rahu in Lagna

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Milind,

> > >

> > > Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is creating?

> > > Please describe for my benefit what your belief is regarding

> > mantras?

> > > Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would get

> > fixed

> > > (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> > >

> > > Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it makes

the

> > native

> > > very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is that

> the

> > > individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> > materialistically,

> > > but over the years they tend to lose things that were in their

> > lifeplan

> > > but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The latter

> > would

> > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> > losing a

> > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

loved

> > ones.

> > >

> > > The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

characteristics

> of

> > > that planet do not get expressed naturally and that sometimes

> > offers

> > > the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may not

> > always

> > > need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> > >

> > > Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal your

> > data, I

> > > could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are

really

> > > looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want to do

> so

> > and

> > > someone will pick up the thread.

> > >

> > > It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a fixed

> box!

> > In

> > > the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad

roles

> > and

> > > bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not closed

> the

> > > window of our mind!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "padhyemilind2002"

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello

> > > > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun, wherever

it

> > is

> > > > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since Sun

is

> > > > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity other

> > planets

> > > > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at 29.53

> > degrees

> > > > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd position,

and

> > hence

> > > I

> > > > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

> positions.

> > Any

> > > > ideas?

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Namastey Ashutoshji,

 

Long time!

 

Yes he does, if Wartime was not in use in his birthplace as he

maintains and other references are wrong. Or if the time he presented

was already corrected for WT, since he did post it as IST. He also

indicated that his time was rectified by some individual and also by

himself. And the time he gave after rectification was different from

what he posted originally -- all very confusing.

 

On a different matter, did you get a chance to read the article I

posted following an early thread, about sidereal and tropical zodiacs

and facts surrounding those? Please give the article a browse and let

me know what you think about that :-)

 

RR

 

 

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini Ji,

>

> Sorry to jump in.

>

> But, according to my limited experiences with astrology,

Pratap Ji has a gemini ascendent, but aquarius navamsa.

>

> Just gave my unworthy two cents.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

>

>

> [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

group but off-group consultations are chargeable]

>

>

>

>

> -

> crystal pages

>

> Saturday, 01 July, 2006 10:30

> Re: Rahu in Lagna

>

>

> you remind me so strikingly of the several significant taurus

lagnas

> that I have been blessed to meet in my life :-)

>

> The first one that I so fondly remember introduced me to Raman

> Ayanamsha!

>

> They were/are all very beautiful people!! Every single one I met

in

> one form or another!!!

>

> Why change anything?

>

> Hope you find your peace ...

>

> RR

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

> <pkaneria@> wrote:

> >

> > There was no issue of trust with my father. I have always

believed

> in 'live and let live' policy and I just could not stand his

> dictatorial attitude and that why never had much communication

with

> him.

> >

> > What I said about education and work is honest. Let me give

> couple of points of description of myself as I see them. I am

lazy

> when it comes anything physical. I love to sleep, stay up late,

get

> up late on my schedule and take afternoon naps. Always looking

for

> short cuts. But I love solving problems that require use of

brains.

> For example I collected data on horse racing for about 20 yrs

trying

> to figure out a system to make a killing. I must have spent may

be

> 10,000 hrs doing that. Then I gave it up completely and suddenly.

> When I am not writing or reading my emails, I am either reading

books

> on astrology or hypnotism or something like that or I am figuring

> out 'Sudoku' puzzles of evil category (hardest). I am quite

extemist

> in the sense that either I like something very much or I don't

like

> it at all. There is no middle ground. If I do something I will do

it

> intensively and with singular focus. I absolutely do not like

> confrontation. Therefore most of the time instead

> > of arguing even when I am right, I will just agree to avoid

> confrontation. That does not mean I have really agreed. My

opinions

> hardly ever change. I am obstinate that way. I am very adaptable,

can

> put up with things that I don't like for long time if I need to.

I am

> self-reliant, adaptable, independent and very confident. I was

very

> ambitious when I started working but not anymore. I have

knowledge

> of many subjects but always superficial. Oh, one other thing I am

not

> a good student in the sense that I always question anything

taught to

> me. May be that is why I haven't learned anything in depth.

> >

> > Why am I telling you all this? May be because it might get you

> interested in looking at my chart and making a prediction that

will

> come true in near future.

> >

> > Yes I have doubts about my birthtime and wartime corrections.

And

> that is why I was inquiring about the application of divisional

> charts the other day. I am not entirely convinced about astrology

and

> all the rules written in so many books because many are quite

> contradictory. Yet I want to believe that there must be a few

people

> who have mastered this science enough to make a definitive

> prediction. With so many rules, like Pradeep said, any past event

can

> be explained by one or the other rule that applies, because there

are

> thousands of rules to choose from.

> >

> > One thing I have concluded is that a person who does not

believe

> in astrology or has no interest in astrology, is a person happy

in

> all aspects of life.

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> > I

> >

> > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > I was going with venus since it has been named as a karaka for

> mother

> > in certain contexts.

> > So there was a less than optimum trust with one of the parents!

> >

> > Regarding -- teachers I am glad that you had no problem. Was

there

> > something with the type of education that you found yourself in

or

> > the educational system, the entire experience that could

connect

> with

> > the theme of suspicion, excessive caution, mistrust?

> >

> > Please do not think of me as judgmental but there does seem to

be

> an

> > undercurrent of very strong vein of disbelief and suspicion and

> lack

> > of trust, if you are being perfectly honest here!

> >

> > You Sir do not even trust your own birthdata, the very source

of

> your

> > astrological being! This is not meaningless! Obviously you are

not

> > all that laid-back and lazy and easy-going as you tried to

portray

> > yourself or perhaps view yourself as ;-)

> >

> > I looked up Doris Chase Doane's Time Changes in the World

(predates

> > my computers and software and it states:

> > DST (same as WT) observed 1942-sep-01 to 1945-oct-15 except:

> > Bengal province (specific dates given)

> > Assam province (sp dates)

> > Bihar province (sp dates)

> >

> > Gujrat is not mentioned!

> >

> > This is not definitive but seems like you would have to do some

> more

> > research and find out what was really being followed in Dohraji

at

> > the time of your birth!

> >

> > Suspicion - even manageable paranoia - disbelief is not all

that

> bad,

> > trust me! The only reason we are still not in some cave, eating

> roots

> > and insects is because we did not trust status quo! We decided

to

> > crawl out of the caves!!

> >

> > Please seek enlightenment and while you are at it, searching

your

> > astrological roots, enlighten and educate us!

> >

> > I say that with all sincerity!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected RRji,

> > >

> > > Honest answer is no. I never got along with my father but my

> > relationship with my mother has been very good throughtout. As

far

> as

> > my teachers, excellent relationship and as a matter of fact I

was a

> > favorite student wherever I studied, to the extent that during

my

> > master's program (US), my professor came to me during the final

> exam

> > of 'Mass Transfer' and told me to leave because he thought I

knew

> the

> > subject so well that I need not give the exam. It was one of

the

> > greatest honor a student can get. Similarly, wherever I worked,

my

> > managers were actually my protectors and promoters. To

summarize, I

> > must have tremendous blessing of Guru because I always got

along

> with

> > elders, teachers, bosses and still do.

> > >

> > > I really do not understand my horoscope. All the malefic

planets

> > seem to act very much in my favor. I can not figure out really

who

> is

> > malefic for me. By the way I have been diligently trying to

rectify

> > my birthtime and it looks like 22:00:40.934 seem to work. This

new

> > time does not change my rasi chart but navamsa lagna changes to

> > Gemini making my lagna vargottam. Also it makes Rahu and Ketu

> > vargottam.

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the

rahu

> > in

> > > 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

> > >

> > > Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion

between

> you

> > > and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point

in

> > life?

> > > Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Pratap Kaneria

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected RRji,

> > > >

> > > > I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu

in

> > > Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> > > >

> > > > Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

> always -

> > > - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.'

does

> not

> > > apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy

going,

> lazy

> > > and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone

> until

> > > proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

> > nature,

> > > I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends

and

> > > family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

> > looking

> > > at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> > > >

> > > > My birth data is

> > > > DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27,

21N44

> > > (Dhoraji, India)

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vijayamalur wrote:

> > > > Dear sir

> > > >

> > > > I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in

lagna.

> > Infact

> > > i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> > > >

> > > > vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> > > >

> > > > I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in

lagna as

> > The

> > > latter would

> > > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

up

> > > losing a

> > > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> loved

> > > ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy

of

> > mine

> > > to my family sir

> > > >

> > > > I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or

reduce

> > the

> > > ill effect of it

> > > >

> > > > eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> > > >

> > > > best regards

> > > >

> > > > vijaya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > crystal pages

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> > > > Re: Rahu in Lagna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Milind,

> > > >

> > > > Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is

creating?

> > > > Please describe for my benefit what your belief is

regarding

> > > mantras?

> > > > Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would

get

> > > fixed

> > > > (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> > > >

> > > > Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it

makes

> the

> > > native

> > > > very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is

that

> > the

> > > > individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> > > materialistically,

> > > > but over the years they tend to lose things that were in

their

> > > lifeplan

> > > > but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The

latter

> > > would

> > > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

up

> > > losing a

> > > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> loved

> > > ones.

> > > >

> > > > The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

> characteristics

> > of

> > > > that planet do not get expressed naturally and that

sometimes

> > > offers

> > > > the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may

not

> > > always

> > > > need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> > > >

> > > > Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal

your

> > > data, I

> > > > could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are

> really

> > > > looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want

to do

> > so

> > > and

> > > > someone will pick up the thread.

> > > >

> > > > It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a

fixed

> > box!

> > > In

> > > > the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad

> roles

> > > and

> > > > bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not

closed

> > the

> > > > window of our mind!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "padhyemilind2002"

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello

> > > > > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun,

wherever

> it

> > > is

> > > > > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since

Sun

> is

> > > > > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity

other

> > > planets

> > > > > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at

29.53

> > > degrees

> > > > > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd

position,

> and

> > > hence

> > > > I

> > > > > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

> > positions.

> > > Any

> > > > > ideas?

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Asha ji.

 

Allow me to restate yet again for everyone's benefit!

 

We have seen here on a regular basis how different jyotishis use

different ayanamshas and other coordinates and as if our lives were

not difficult enough already, here come the different atlases that

indicate different standard times and dates and places where daylight

savings and wartimes were instituted (mostly by foreign masters at

least in India!) :-)

 

It is best to post birthdata as is known, and perhaps a note about

the source of same (family diary, mother's recall early in life,

father's recall at age 50, uncle's recall, etc -- each is significant

and at times to a different extent).

 

Even if this is not the site where I give readings -- others who

regularly do will be better served if you provide the details.

 

RR

 

, "ASHA" <asha wrote:

>

> Honestly RohiniRanjanji, I am stupidly trusting. and cautious even

> spelling is not known-I am that kind. But I have

> mars 4d+Jupiter 15d+rahu 27 d Lagna is 28.4 degrees.

> moon 20 in taurus

> saturn R 9 d in virgo

> Mercury 11 d in sagi

> sun 5 d+venus 21 d in capricorn

> RR ji-I am going thru hell financially for last 2 and half years

> more so since last 19 months. will I come out of it? I have ayoung

> daughter to raise and educate as yet.

> I m in Baltimore

> Its saturn dasha moon sub getting over on July 17th. starting mars

> sub.

> would appreciate your input.

> regards

> asha kamath

>

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > suspicious, Asha is the phase II, Paranoid is phase III!

> >

> > Are you cautious? That is phase I

> >

> > I think you are, or why would you care to post, even?

> >

> > I rest my case, said half-jestingly!! ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "ASHA" <asha@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I have rahu in Aquarius along with Mars and Jupiter. I am not

> > > suspicious at all.

> > > why?

> > > asha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the

> rahu

> > > in

> > > > 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

> > > >

> > > > Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion

> between

> > > you

> > > > and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point

in

> > > life?

> > > > Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Pratap Kaneria

> > > > <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected RRji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am reading this thread with interest because I have

Rahu

> in

> > > > Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

> > > always -

> > > > - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.'

does

> > not

> > > > apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy

going,

> > > lazy

> > > > and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone

> > > until

> > > > proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

> > > nature,

> > > > I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends

> and

> > > > family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

> > > looking

> > > > at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> > > > >

> > > > > My birth data is

> > > > > DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27,

> 21N44

> > > > (Dhoraji, India)

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vijayamalur <vijayamalur@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear sir

> > > > >

> > > > > I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in

lagna.

> > > Infact

> > > > i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> > > > >

> > > > > vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> > > > >

> > > > > I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in

lagna

> as

> > > The

> > > > latter would

> > > > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

> up

> > > > losing a

> > > > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> > > loved

> > > > ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy

> of

> > > mine

> > > > to my family sir

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or

> reduce

> > > the

> > > > ill effect of it

> > > > >

> > > > > eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> > > > >

> > > > > best regards

> > > > >

> > > > > vijaya

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > crystal pages

> > > > >

> > > > > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> > > > > Re: Rahu in Lagna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Milind,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is

creating?

> > > > > Please describe for my benefit what your belief is

regarding

> > > > mantras?

> > > > > Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would

> get

> > > > fixed

> > > > > (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it

makes

> > the

> > > > native

> > > > > very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is

> that

> > > the

> > > > > individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> > > > materialistically,

> > > > > but over the years they tend to lose things that were in

> their

> > > > lifeplan

> > > > > but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The

> latter

> > > > would

> > > > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

> up

> > > > losing a

> > > > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> > > loved

> > > > ones.

> > > > >

> > > > > The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

> > characteristics

> > > of

> > > > > that planet do not get expressed naturally and that

> sometimes

> > > > offers

> > > > > the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may

> not

> > > > always

> > > > > need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal

> your

> > > > data, I

> > > > > could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are

> > really

> > > > > looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want

to

> do

> > > so

> > > > and

> > > > > someone will pick up the thread.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a

> fixed

> > > box!

> > > > In

> > > > > the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad

> > roles

> > > > and

> > > > > bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not

> closed

> > > the

> > > > > window of our mind!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "padhyemilind2002"

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello

> > > > > > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun,

> wherever

> > > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since

> Sun

> > > is

> > > > > > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity

> other

> > > > planets

> > > > > > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at

> 29.53

> > > > degrees

> > > > > > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd

position,

> > and

> > > > hence

> > > > > I

> > > > > > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

> > > positions.

> > > > Any

> > > > > > ideas?

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Dear Rohini Ji,

 

His personality details already were fitting gemini ascendent. I simply had to find the fitting navamsa for him.

 

Yes, I have gone through the article you had posted on tropical and sidereal zodiacs. But, I desisted from adding anything to it just because that thread was getting too stretched.

 

Here, on this group, over-stretching of threads has become a norm, which gets irritating after a time. The conclusions which can be reached by common sense are never looked into and much time and energy is wasted on giving importance to trivial questions by less experienced astrology enthusiasts.

 

Therefore, I have been trying to limit myself just to answering queries since past few months, jumping in only for short durations in any discussions.

 

All rahu needs is attention. By stretching this thread on rahu, we are giving it just that. An astrologer should never forget the underlying eternal fact in any situation. I am also adding my last words on this thread, just to give my observations about rahu to the group members.

 

Rahu is not as bad as it is commonly assumed to be. Rahu in lagna, makes one self centered, but not selfish. Such a person is less critical of others and tends to find faults with oneself and tries to constantly improve upon them, but fails.

 

His adjusting nature makes him at home in all situations. Most of them have happy marriages, if seventh lord is normal, and have very efficient spouses.

 

Rahu in lagna also gives great intuitive abilites to the native, but his intuition works with others only, not about self. Such a person has a very practical view about world and is often a good philosopher too.

 

Calm and placid, not easily provoked, can take all criticism readily. For him, even the one criticising him is also paying him some attention. So, anything is welcome as long as it is directed at him.

 

Though lazy and comfort loving, men with rahu in lagna have also been found to be good at physical rigours like body building, wrestling, boxing and athletic events like javelin throw, discuss throw, etc.

 

 

 

Discussions are good for enriching knowledge, but only if they enrich knowledge.

 

It is very difficult for knowledgeable ones to try to not to argue. But, the wise ones always try to end the argument.

 

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

[The services of this professional astrologer are free on this group but off-group consultations are chargeable]

 

 

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crystal pages

Saturday, 01 July, 2006 11:00

Re: Rahu in Lagna

 

 

Namastey Ashutoshji,

 

Long time!

 

Yes he does, if Wartime was not in use in his birthplace as he

maintains and other references are wrong. Or if the time he presented

was already corrected for WT, since he did post it as IST. He also

indicated that his time was rectified by some individual and also by

himself. And the time he gave after rectification was different from

what he posted originally -- all very confusing.

 

On a different matter, did you get a chance to read the article I

posted following an early thread, about sidereal and tropical zodiacs

and facts surrounding those? Please give the article a browse and let

me know what you think about that :-)

 

RR

 

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini Ji,

>

> Sorry to jump in.

>

> But, according to my limited experiences with astrology,

Pratap Ji has a gemini ascendent, but aquarius navamsa.

>

> Just gave my unworthy two cents.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

>

>

> [The services of this professional astrologer are free on this

group but off-group consultations are chargeable]

>

>

>

>

> -

> crystal pages

>

> Saturday, 01 July, 2006 10:30

> Re: Rahu in Lagna

>

>

> you remind me so strikingly of the several significant taurus

lagnas

> that I have been blessed to meet in my life :-)

>

> The first one that I so fondly remember introduced me to Raman

> Ayanamsha!

>

> They were/are all very beautiful people!! Every single one I met

in

> one form or another!!!

>

> Why change anything?

>

> Hope you find your peace ...

>

> RR

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

> <pkaneria@> wrote:

> >

> > There was no issue of trust with my father. I have always

believed

> in 'live and let live' policy and I just could not stand his

> dictatorial attitude and that why never had much communication

with

> him.

> >

> > What I said about education and work is honest. Let me give

> couple of points of description of myself as I see them. I am

lazy

> when it comes anything physical. I love to sleep, stay up late,

get

> up late on my schedule and take afternoon naps. Always looking

for

> short cuts. But I love solving problems that require use of

brains.

> For example I collected data on horse racing for about 20 yrs

trying

> to figure out a system to make a killing. I must have spent may

be

> 10,000 hrs doing that. Then I gave it up completely and suddenly.

> When I am not writing or reading my emails, I am either reading

books

> on astrology or hypnotism or something like that or I am figuring

> out 'Sudoku' puzzles of evil category (hardest). I am quite

extemist

> in the sense that either I like something very much or I don't

like

> it at all. There is no middle ground. If I do something I will do

it

> intensively and with singular focus. I absolutely do not like

> confrontation. Therefore most of the time instead

> > of arguing even when I am right, I will just agree to avoid

> confrontation. That does not mean I have really agreed. My

opinions

> hardly ever change. I am obstinate that way. I am very adaptable,

can

> put up with things that I don't like for long time if I need to.

I am

> self-reliant, adaptable, independent and very confident. I was

very

> ambitious when I started working but not anymore. I have

knowledge

> of many subjects but always superficial. Oh, one other thing I am

not

> a good student in the sense that I always question anything

taught to

> me. May be that is why I haven't learned anything in depth.

> >

> > Why am I telling you all this? May be because it might get you

> interested in looking at my chart and making a prediction that

will

> come true in near future.

> >

> > Yes I have doubts about my birthtime and wartime corrections.

And

> that is why I was inquiring about the application of divisional

> charts the other day. I am not entirely convinced about astrology

and

> all the rules written in so many books because many are quite

> contradictory. Yet I want to believe that there must be a few

people

> who have mastered this science enough to make a definitive

> prediction. With so many rules, like Pradeep said, any past event

can

> be explained by one or the other rule that applies, because there

are

> thousands of rules to choose from.

> >

> > One thing I have concluded is that a person who does not

believe

> in astrology or has no interest in astrology, is a person happy

in

> all aspects of life.

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> > I

> >

> > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > I was going with venus since it has been named as a karaka for

> mother

> > in certain contexts.

> > So there was a less than optimum trust with one of the parents!

> >

> > Regarding -- teachers I am glad that you had no problem. Was

there

> > something with the type of education that you found yourself in

or

> > the educational system, the entire experience that could

connect

> with

> > the theme of suspicion, excessive caution, mistrust?

> >

> > Please do not think of me as judgmental but there does seem to

be

> an

> > undercurrent of very strong vein of disbelief and suspicion and

> lack

> > of trust, if you are being perfectly honest here!

> >

> > You Sir do not even trust your own birthdata, the very source

of

> your

> > astrological being! This is not meaningless! Obviously you are

not

> > all that laid-back and lazy and easy-going as you tried to

portray

> > yourself or perhaps view yourself as ;-)

> >

> > I looked up Doris Chase Doane's Time Changes in the World

(predates

> > my computers and software and it states:

> > DST (same as WT) observed 1942-sep-01 to 1945-oct-15 except:

> > Bengal province (specific dates given)

> > Assam province (sp dates)

> > Bihar province (sp dates)

> >

> > Gujrat is not mentioned!

> >

> > This is not definitive but seems like you would have to do some

> more

> > research and find out what was really being followed in Dohraji

at

> > the time of your birth!

> >

> > Suspicion - even manageable paranoia - disbelief is not all

that

> bad,

> > trust me! The only reason we are still not in some cave, eating

> roots

> > and insects is because we did not trust status quo! We decided

to

> > crawl out of the caves!!

> >

> > Please seek enlightenment and while you are at it, searching

your

> > astrological roots, enlighten and educate us!

> >

> > I say that with all sincerity!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected RRji,

> > >

> > > Honest answer is no. I never got along with my father but my

> > relationship with my mother has been very good throughtout. As

far

> as

> > my teachers, excellent relationship and as a matter of fact I

was a

> > favorite student wherever I studied, to the extent that during

my

> > master's program (US), my professor came to me during the final

> exam

> > of 'Mass Transfer' and told me to leave because he thought I

knew

> the

> > subject so well that I need not give the exam. It was one of

the

> > greatest honor a student can get. Similarly, wherever I worked,

my

> > managers were actually my protectors and promoters. To

summarize, I

> > must have tremendous blessing of Guru because I always got

along

> with

> > elders, teachers, bosses and still do.

> > >

> > > I really do not understand my horoscope. All the malefic

planets

> > seem to act very much in my favor. I can not figure out really

who

> is

> > malefic for me. By the way I have been diligently trying to

rectify

> > my birthtime and it looks like 22:00:40.934 seem to work. This

new

> > time does not change my rasi chart but navamsa lagna changes to

> > Gemini making my lagna vargottam. Also it makes Rahu and Ketu

> > vargottam.

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the

rahu

> > in

> > > 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

> > >

> > > Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion

between

> you

> > > and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point

in

> > life?

> > > Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Pratap Kaneria

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected RRji,

> > > >

> > > > I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu

in

> > > Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> > > >

> > > > Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

> always -

> > > - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.'

does

> not

> > > apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy

going,

> lazy

> > > and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone

> until

> > > proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

> > nature,

> > > I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends

and

> > > family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

> > looking

> > > at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> > > >

> > > > My birth data is

> > > > DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27,

21N44

> > > (Dhoraji, India)

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vijayamalur wrote:

> > > > Dear sir

> > > >

> > > > I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in

lagna.

> > Infact

> > > i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> > > >

> > > > vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> > > >

> > > > I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in

lagna as

> > The

> > > latter would

> > > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

up

> > > losing a

> > > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> loved

> > > ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy

of

> > mine

> > > to my family sir

> > > >

> > > > I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or

reduce

> > the

> > > ill effect of it

> > > >

> > > > eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> > > >

> > > > best regards

> > > >

> > > > vijaya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > crystal pages

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> > > > Re: Rahu in Lagna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Milind,

> > > >

> > > > Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is

creating?

> > > > Please describe for my benefit what your belief is

regarding

> > > mantras?

> > > > Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would

get

> > > fixed

> > > > (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> > > >

> > > > Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it

makes

> the

> > > native

> > > > very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is

that

> > the

> > > > individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> > > materialistically,

> > > > but over the years they tend to lose things that were in

their

> > > lifeplan

> > > > but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The

latter

> > > would

> > > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

up

> > > losing a

> > > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> loved

> > > ones.

> > > >

> > > > The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

> characteristics

> > of

> > > > that planet do not get expressed naturally and that

sometimes

> > > offers

> > > > the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may

not

> > > always

> > > > need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> > > >

> > > > Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal

your

> > > data, I

> > > > could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are

> really

> > > > looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want

to do

> > so

> > > and

> > > > someone will pick up the thread.

> > > >

> > > > It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a

fixed

> > box!

> > > In

> > > > the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad

> roles

> > > and

> > > > bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not

closed

> > the

> > > > window of our mind!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "padhyemilind2002"

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello

> > > > > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun,

wherever

> it

> > > is

> > > > > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since

Sun

> is

> > > > > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity

other

> > > planets

> > > > > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at

29.53

> > > degrees

> > > > > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd

position,

> and

> > > hence

> > > > I

> > > > > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

> > positions.

> > > Any

> > > > > ideas?

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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RR ji,

My birth time is 10:10 am January 19, 1951, at Hubli, Karnataka.

I just want to know if I will manage thru this situation or not.I

would appreciate it if you can help.

br

asha, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Asha ji.

>

> Allow me to restate yet again for everyone's benefit!

>

> We have seen here on a regular basis how different jyotishis use

> different ayanamshas and other coordinates and as if our lives

were

> not difficult enough already, here come the different atlases that

> indicate different standard times and dates and places where

daylight

> savings and wartimes were instituted (mostly by foreign masters at

> least in India!) :-)

>

> It is best to post birthdata as is known, and perhaps a note about

> the source of same (family diary, mother's recall early in life,

> father's recall at age 50, uncle's recall, etc -- each is

significant

> and at times to a different extent).

>

> Even if this is not the site where I give readings -- others who

> regularly do will be better served if you provide the details.

>

> RR

>

> , "ASHA" <asha@> wrote:

> >

> > Honestly RohiniRanjanji, I am stupidly trusting. and cautious

even

> > spelling is not known-I am that kind. But I have

> > mars 4d+Jupiter 15d+rahu 27 d Lagna is 28.4 degrees.

> > moon 20 in taurus

> > saturn R 9 d in virgo

> > Mercury 11 d in sagi

> > sun 5 d+venus 21 d in capricorn

> > RR ji-I am going thru hell financially for last 2 and half years

> > more so since last 19 months. will I come out of it? I have

ayoung

> > daughter to raise and educate as yet.

> > I m in Baltimore

> > Its saturn dasha moon sub getting over on July 17th. starting

mars

> > sub.

> > would appreciate your input.

> > regards

> > asha kamath

> >

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > suspicious, Asha is the phase II, Paranoid is phase III!

> > >

> > > Are you cautious? That is phase I

> > >

> > > I think you are, or why would you care to post, even?

> > >

> > > I rest my case, said half-jestingly!! ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "ASHA" <asha@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I have rahu in Aquarius along with Mars and Jupiter. I am

not

> > > > suspicious at all.

> > > > why?

> > > > asha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to

the

> > rahu

> > > > in

> > > > > 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

> > > > >

> > > > > Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion

> > between

> > > > you

> > > > > and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some

point

> in

> > > > life?

> > > > > Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Pratap Kaneria

> > > > > <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected RRji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am reading this thread with interest because I have

> Rahu

> > in

> > > > > Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait,

nearly

> > > > always -

> > > > > - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.'

> does

> > > not

> > > > > apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy

> going,

> > > > lazy

> > > > > and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost

everyone

> > > > until

> > > > > proven guilty. It is true though that because of my

trusting

> > > > nature,

> > > > > I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of

friends

> > and

> > > > > family and stock market. Again this may be an example of

how

> > > > looking

> > > > > at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My birth data is

> > > > > > DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB:

70E27,

> > 21N44

> > > > > (Dhoraji, India)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vijayamalur <vijayamalur@> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear sir

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in

> lagna.

> > > > Infact

> > > > > i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in

> lagna

> > as

> > > > The

> > > > > latter would

> > > > > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity

ends

> > up

> > > > > losing a

> > > > > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives

and

> > > > loved

> > > > > ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of

negativitiy

> > of

> > > > mine

> > > > > to my family sir

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or

> > reduce

> > > > the

> > > > > ill effect of it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vijaya

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > crystal pages

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> > > > > > Re: Rahu in Lagna

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Milind,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is

> creating?

> > > > > > Please describe for my benefit what your belief is

> regarding

> > > > > mantras?

> > > > > > Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu

would

> > get

> > > > > fixed

> > > > > > (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it

> makes

> > > the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this

is

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> > > > > materialistically,

> > > > > > but over the years they tend to lose things that were in

> > their

> > > > > lifeplan

> > > > > > but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The

> > latter

> > > > > would

> > > > > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity

ends

> > up

> > > > > losing a

> > > > > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives

and

> > > > loved

> > > > > ones.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

> > > characteristics

> > > > of

> > > > > > that planet do not get expressed naturally and that

> > sometimes

> > > > > offers

> > > > > > the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and

may

> > not

> > > > > always

> > > > > > need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since you asked a very generic question and did not

reveal

> > your

> > > > > data, I

> > > > > > could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you

are

> > > really

> > > > > > looking for an answer or some insight, you may still

want

> to

> > do

> > > > so

> > > > > and

> > > > > > someone will pick up the thread.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a

> > fixed

> > > > box!

> > > > > In

> > > > > > the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play

bad

> > > roles

> > > > > and

> > > > > > bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not

> > closed

> > > > the

> > > > > > window of our mind!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

, "padhyemilind2002"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello

> > > > > > > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun,

> > wherever

> > > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.?

Since

> > Sun

> > > > is

> > > > > > > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity

> > other

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury

at

> > 29.53

> > > > > degrees

> > > > > > > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd

> position,

> > > and

> > > > > hence

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

> > > > positions.

> > > > > Any

> > > > > > > ideas?

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Pratap ji,

 

You mentioned that you have doubts about your birthtime and wartime

etc. The latter should be easier to figure out and probably more

substantial (1h difference). What was the source of your birthtime?

Was it something you were told by one of your parents or was it

written down in a family diary or document such as birthchart

prepared around birth?

 

Fact of the matter is that methods of rectification, though many and

used and claimed by many to be fail-proof are generally not so.

Horoscopic traits and even event analysis again are not absolutely

perfect because astrological deductions are not absolute or based on

a perfect correlation between planetary configurations and

traits/events. In fact there have been studies done where individuals

were given a variety of readings, some based on their charts, others

based on other charts and the acceptance of both groups did not turn

out to be significantly different. People saw themselves in readings

which were based on their chart as well as the ones that were random.

Most people are far more complex and varied than any reading they ar

given based on traits and tendencies, so there is always something

that shows up that fits. In fact this is the reason why people even

fit with their sunsign readings which are based on a different

zodiac. I think there is a name for this phenomenon -- Barnum effect,

if I recall correctly.

 

If you are really serious about it you should research the source of

birthtime and ascertain what is the story there.

 

Just a thought,

 

RR

 

, Pratap Kaneria

<pkaneria wrote:

>

> There was no issue of trust with my father. I have always believed

in 'live and let live' policy and I just could not stand his

dictatorial attitude and that why never had much communication with

him.

>

> What I said about education and work is honest. Let me give

couple of points of description of myself as I see them. I am lazy

when it comes anything physical. I love to sleep, stay up late, get

up late on my schedule and take afternoon naps. Always looking for

short cuts. But I love solving problems that require use of brains.

For example I collected data on horse racing for about 20 yrs trying

to figure out a system to make a killing. I must have spent may be

10,000 hrs doing that. Then I gave it up completely and suddenly.

When I am not writing or reading my emails, I am either reading books

on astrology or hypnotism or something like that or I am figuring

out 'Sudoku' puzzles of evil category (hardest). I am quite extemist

in the sense that either I like something very much or I don't like

it at all. There is no middle ground. If I do something I will do it

intensively and with singular focus. I absolutely do not like

confrontation. Therefore most of the time instead

> of arguing even when I am right, I will just agree to avoid

confrontation. That does not mean I have really agreed. My opinions

hardly ever change. I am obstinate that way. I am very adaptable, can

put up with things that I don't like for long time if I need to. I am

self-reliant, adaptable, independent and very confident. I was very

ambitious when I started working but not anymore. I have knowledge

of many subjects but always superficial. Oh, one other thing I am not

a good student in the sense that I always question anything taught to

me. May be that is why I haven't learned anything in depth.

>

> Why am I telling you all this? May be because it might get you

interested in looking at my chart and making a prediction that will

come true in near future.

>

> Yes I have doubts about my birthtime and wartime corrections. And

that is why I was inquiring about the application of divisional

charts the other day. I am not entirely convinced about astrology and

all the rules written in so many books because many are quite

contradictory. Yet I want to believe that there must be a few people

who have mastered this science enough to make a definitive

prediction. With so many rules, like Pradeep said, any past event can

be explained by one or the other rule that applies, because there are

thousands of rules to choose from.

>

> One thing I have concluded is that a person who does not believe

in astrology or has no interest in astrology, is a person happy in

all aspects of life.

>

> Pratap

>

> I

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

> I was going with venus since it has been named as a karaka for

mother

> in certain contexts.

> So there was a less than optimum trust with one of the parents!

>

> Regarding -- teachers I am glad that you had no problem. Was there

> something with the type of education that you found yourself in or

> the educational system, the entire experience that could connect

with

> the theme of suspicion, excessive caution, mistrust?

>

> Please do not think of me as judgmental but there does seem to be

an

> undercurrent of very strong vein of disbelief and suspicion and

lack

> of trust, if you are being perfectly honest here!

>

> You Sir do not even trust your own birthdata, the very source of

your

> astrological being! This is not meaningless! Obviously you are not

> all that laid-back and lazy and easy-going as you tried to portray

> yourself or perhaps view yourself as ;-)

>

> I looked up Doris Chase Doane's Time Changes in the World (predates

> my computers and software and it states:

> DST (same as WT) observed 1942-sep-01 to 1945-oct-15 except:

> Bengal province (specific dates given)

> Assam province (sp dates)

> Bihar province (sp dates)

>

> Gujrat is not mentioned!

>

> This is not definitive but seems like you would have to do some

more

> research and find out what was really being followed in Dohraji at

> the time of your birth!

>

> Suspicion - even manageable paranoia - disbelief is not all that

bad,

> trust me! The only reason we are still not in some cave, eating

roots

> and insects is because we did not trust status quo! We decided to

> crawl out of the caves!!

>

> Please seek enlightenment and while you are at it, searching your

> astrological roots, enlighten and educate us!

>

> I say that with all sincerity!!

>

> RR

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Respected RRji,

> >

> > Honest answer is no. I never got along with my father but my

> relationship with my mother has been very good throughtout. As far

as

> my teachers, excellent relationship and as a matter of fact I was a

> favorite student wherever I studied, to the extent that during my

> master's program (US), my professor came to me during the final

exam

> of 'Mass Transfer' and told me to leave because he thought I knew

the

> subject so well that I need not give the exam. It was one of the

> greatest honor a student can get. Similarly, wherever I worked, my

> managers were actually my protectors and promoters. To summarize, I

> must have tremendous blessing of Guru because I always got along

with

> elders, teachers, bosses and still do.

> >

> > I really do not understand my horoscope. All the malefic planets

> seem to act very much in my favor. I can not figure out really who

is

> malefic for me. By the way I have been diligently trying to rectify

> my birthtime and it looks like 22:00:40.934 seem to work. This new

> time does not change my rasi chart but navamsa lagna changes to

> Gemini making my lagna vargottam. Also it makes Rahu and Ketu

> vargottam.

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> >

> >

> > crystal pages wrote:

> > How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the rahu

> in

> > 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

> >

> > Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion between

you

> > and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point in

> life?

> > Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected RRji,

> > >

> > > I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu in

> > Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> > >

> > > Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

always -

> > - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.' does

not

> > apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy going,

lazy

> > and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone

until

> > proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

> nature,

> > I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends and

> > family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

> looking

> > at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> > >

> > > My birth data is

> > > DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27, 21N44

> > (Dhoraji, India)

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vijayamalur wrote:

> > > Dear sir

> > >

> > > I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in lagna.

> Infact

> > i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> > >

> > > Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> > >

> > > vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> > >

> > > I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in lagna as

> The

> > latter would

> > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> > losing a

> > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

loved

> > ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy of

> mine

> > to my family sir

> > >

> > > I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or reduce

> the

> > ill effect of it

> > >

> > > eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> > >

> > > best regards

> > >

> > > vijaya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > crystal pages

> > >

> > > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> > > Re: Rahu in Lagna

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Milind,

> > >

> > > Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is creating?

> > > Please describe for my benefit what your belief is regarding

> > mantras?

> > > Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would get

> > fixed

> > > (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> > >

> > > Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it makes

the

> > native

> > > very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is that

> the

> > > individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> > materialistically,

> > > but over the years they tend to lose things that were in their

> > lifeplan

> > > but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The latter

> > would

> > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> > losing a

> > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

loved

> > ones.

> > >

> > > The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

characteristics

> of

> > > that planet do not get expressed naturally and that sometimes

> > offers

> > > the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may not

> > always

> > > need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> > >

> > > Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal your

> > data, I

> > > could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are

really

> > > looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want to do

> so

> > and

> > > someone will pick up the thread.

> > >

> > > It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a fixed

> box!

> > In

> > > the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad

roles

> > and

> > > bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not closed

> the

> > > window of our mind!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "padhyemilind2002"

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello

> > > > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun, wherever

it

> > is

> > > > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since Sun

is

> > > > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity other

> > planets

> > > > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at 29.53

> > degrees

> > > > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd position,

and

> > hence

> > > I

> > > > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

> positions.

> > Any

> > > > ideas?

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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RRji,

I was born in a small town and my mother remembers my birthtime as 10pm. Now was it adjusted time due to war and not, I don't know but intend to find out. This morning I jokingly told my wife that I am going to find a birthtime which will predict moon for me and then I will settle on it. Actually in your email you quoted a source that said that the war time was followed in India except Bengal, Orissa etc. But could it be other way around? Japan had joined Hitler in the war and was progressing toward India via Burma. Therefore it seems logical to me that the war time probably was imposed in the eastern states of India and not in western states.

You may be quite right about birth time rectification methods. Interpretation of dasa's is also very subjective and not definitive. Actually as I see, if I can ascertain my navamsa or dasamsa lagna that should be good enough because most practising astrologers hardly ever go beyond navamsa/dasamsa. I think Shri Ashutoshji selected Aquarius lagna for my navamsa because that will put my exalted moon in fourth house of navamsa. No dasa periods are going to perfectly align with the events of one's life.

Anyway, at present I am doing this to advance my knowledge of astrology and may be to be able to predict a happy dream event or some of my friends. I never want to hear about coming problems. I just want to hear about pending good events. May be that is how most people are. Life is not worth living if there is no dream. Dream may or may not come true but sure helps you deal with current struggles which are always going on no matter what. At different age, just the focus changes.

Anyway thanks for your attention!

With Regards,

Pratap

 

crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Pratap ji,

 

You mentioned that you have doubts about your birthtime and wartime

etc. The latter should be easier to figure out and probably more

substantial (1h difference). What was the source of your birthtime?

Was it something you were told by one of your parents or was it

written down in a family diary or document such as birthchart

prepared around birth?

 

Fact of the matter is that methods of rectification, though many and

used and claimed by many to be fail-proof are generally not so.

Horoscopic traits and even event analysis again are not absolutely

perfect because astrological deductions are not absolute or based on

a perfect correlation between planetary configurations and

traits/events. In fact there have been studies done where individuals

were given a variety of readings, some based on their charts, others

based on other charts and the acceptance of both groups did not turn

out to be significantly different. People saw themselves in readings

which were based on their chart as well as the ones that were random.

Most people are far more complex and varied than any reading they ar

given based on traits and tendencies, so there is always something

that shows up that fits. In fact this is the reason why people even

fit with their sunsign readings which are based on a different

zodiac. I think there is a name for this phenomenon -- Barnum effect,

if I recall correctly.

 

If you are really serious about it you should research the source of

birthtime and ascertain what is the story there.

 

Just a thought,

 

RR

 

, Pratap Kaneria

 

wrote:

>

> There was no issue of trust with my father. I have always believed

in 'live and let live' policy and I just could not stand his

dictatorial attitude and that why never had much communication with

him.

>

> What I said about education and work is honest. Let me give

couple of points of description of myself as I see them. I am lazy

when it comes anything physical. I love to sleep, stay up late, get

up late on my schedule and take afternoon naps. Always looking for

short cuts. But I love solving problems that require use of brains.

For example I collected data on horse racing for about 20 yrs trying

to figure out a system to make a killing. I must have spent may be

10,000 hrs doing that. Then I gave it up completely and suddenly.

When I am not writing or reading my emails, I am either reading books

on astrology or hypnotism or something like that or I am figuring

out 'Sudoku' puzzles of evil category (hardest). I am quite extemist

in the sense that either I like something very much or I don't like

it at all. There is no middle ground. If I do something I will do it

intensively and with singular focus. I absolutely do not like

confrontation. Therefore most of the time instead

> of arguing even when I am right, I will just agree to avoid

confrontation. That does not mean I have really agreed. My opinions

hardly ever change. I am obstinate that way. I am very adaptable, can

put up with things that I don't like for long time if I need to. I am

self-reliant, adaptable, independent and very confident. I was very

ambitious when I started working but not anymore. I have knowledge

of many subjects but always superficial. Oh, one other thing I am not

a good student in the sense that I always question anything taught to

me. May be that is why I haven't learned anything in depth.

>

> Why am I telling you all this? May be because it might get you

interested in looking at my chart and making a prediction that will

come true in near future.

>

> Yes I have doubts about my birthtime and wartime corrections. And

that is why I was inquiring about the application of divisional

charts the other day. I am not entirely convinced about astrology and

all the rules written in so many books because many are quite

contradictory. Yet I want to believe that there must be a few people

who have mastered this science enough to make a definitive

prediction. With so many rules, like Pradeep said, any past event can

be explained by one or the other rule that applies, because there are

thousands of rules to choose from.

>

> One thing I have concluded is that a person who does not believe

in astrology or has no interest in astrology, is a person happy in

all aspects of life.

>

> Pratap

>

> I

>

> crystal pages wrote:

> I was going with venus since it has been named as a karaka for

mother

> in certain contexts.

> So there was a less than optimum trust with one of the parents!

>

> Regarding -- teachers I am glad that you had no problem. Was there

> something with the type of education that you found yourself in or

> the educational system, the entire experience that could connect

with

> the theme of suspicion, excessive caution, mistrust?

>

> Please do not think of me as judgmental but there does seem to be

an

> undercurrent of very strong vein of disbelief and suspicion and

lack

> of trust, if you are being perfectly honest here!

>

> You Sir do not even trust your own birthdata, the very source of

your

> astrological being! This is not meaningless! Obviously you are not

> all that laid-back and lazy and easy-going as you tried to portray

> yourself or perhaps view yourself as ;-)

>

> I looked up Doris Chase Doane's Time Changes in the World (predates

> my computers and software and it states:

> DST (same as WT) observed 1942-sep-01 to 1945-oct-15 except:

> Bengal province (specific dates given)

> Assam province (sp dates)

> Bihar province (sp dates)

>

> Gujrat is not mentioned!

>

> This is not definitive but seems like you would have to do some

more

> research and find out what was really being followed in Dohraji at

> the time of your birth!

>

> Suspicion - even manageable paranoia - disbelief is not all that

bad,

> trust me! The only reason we are still not in some cave, eating

roots

> and insects is because we did not trust status quo! We decided to

> crawl out of the caves!!

>

> Please seek enlightenment and while you are at it, searching your

> astrological roots, enlighten and educate us!

>

> I say that with all sincerity!!

>

> RR

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Respected RRji,

> >

> > Honest answer is no. I never got along with my father but my

> relationship with my mother has been very good throughtout. As far

as

> my teachers, excellent relationship and as a matter of fact I was a

> favorite student wherever I studied, to the extent that during my

> master's program (US), my professor came to me during the final

exam

> of 'Mass Transfer' and told me to leave because he thought I knew

the

> subject so well that I need not give the exam. It was one of the

> greatest honor a student can get. Similarly, wherever I worked, my

> managers were actually my protectors and promoters. To summarize, I

> must have tremendous blessing of Guru because I always got along

with

> elders, teachers, bosses and still do.

> >

> > I really do not understand my horoscope. All the malefic planets

> seem to act very much in my favor. I can not figure out really who

is

> malefic for me. By the way I have been diligently trying to rectify

> my birthtime and it looks like 22:00:40.934 seem to work. This new

> time does not change my rasi chart but navamsa lagna changes to

> Gemini making my lagna vargottam. Also it makes Rahu and Ketu

> vargottam.

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> >

> >

> > crystal pages wrote:

> > How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the rahu

> in

> > 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

> >

> > Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion between

you

> > and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point in

> life?

> > Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected RRji,

> > >

> > > I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu in

> > Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> > >

> > > Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

always -

> > - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.' does

not

> > apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy going,

lazy

> > and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone

until

> > proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

> nature,

> > I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends and

> > family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

> looking

> > at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> > >

> > > My birth data is

> > > DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27, 21N44

> > (Dhoraji, India)

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vijayamalur wrote:

> > > Dear sir

> > >

> > > I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in lagna.

> Infact

> > i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> > >

> > > Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> > >

> > > vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> > >

> > > I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in lagna as

> The

> > latter would

> > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> > losing a

> > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

loved

> > ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy of

> mine

> > to my family sir

> > >

> > > I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or reduce

> the

> > ill effect of it

> > >

> > > eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> > >

> > > best regards

> > >

> > > vijaya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > crystal pages

> > >

> > > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> > > Re: Rahu in Lagna

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Milind,

> > >

> > > Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is creating?

> > > Please describe for my benefit what your belief is regarding

> > mantras?

> > > Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would get

> > fixed

> > > (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> > >

> > > Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it makes

the

> > native

> > > very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is that

> the

> > > individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> > materialistically,

> > > but over the years they tend to lose things that were in their

> > lifeplan

> > > but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The latter

> > would

> > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends up

> > losing a

> > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

loved

> > ones.

> > >

> > > The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

characteristics

> of

> > > that planet do not get expressed naturally and that sometimes

> > offers

> > > the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may not

> > always

> > > need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> > >

> > > Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal your

> > data, I

> > > could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are

really

> > > looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want to do

> so

> > and

> > > someone will pick up the thread.

> > >

> > > It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a fixed

> box!

> > In

> > > the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad

roles

> > and

> > > bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not closed

> the

> > > window of our mind!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "padhyemilind2002"

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello

> > > > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun, wherever

it

> > is

> > > > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since Sun

is

> > > > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity other

> > planets

> > > > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at 29.53

> > degrees

> > > > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd position,

and

> > hence

> > > I

> > > > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

> positions.

> > Any

> > > > ideas?

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Pratapji,

DST (Wartime) was applied in these three provinces (Bengal, Assam and

Bihar) but at different dates than the rest of the country according

to the source (details in earlier email):

Bengal for instance had WT from 1941 october to mid may 1942 and

again from sept 1942 to oct 47. Most of the country observed WT from

1 september 1942 to 15 october 1945.

Even standard time in India came in bits and pieces, starting in 1907

with Calcutta adopting ST the last (1st oct 1941). To make matters

even more hair-raising for jyotishis the ST meridian initially was

82E30, then became 97E30 and finally in 1947 the current meridian on

82E30 was adopted. Smaller towns had their own variations. So even

when accurate times are known one should watch out for these and

similar considerations particularly when using software that does not

use some of the standard atlases (such as ACS -- though even there in

the odd place there can be errors). Your best bet might be to find a

person who lived in those times where you were born and was

knowledgeable about the time standards used back then (ST, LMT etc).

Watch time alone would not help because it could be set to whatever

was in vogue and what was in vogue we do not know.

 

I can relate to your feeling of uncertainty and frustration. Once

someone has become used to a horoscope for some time it is a big

mindset switch to then see it being replaced by a very different one,

even if it is significant vargas that have changed. I have heard from

someone that in Bombay or Poona there is a yogi Karveji who has been

known to reliably generate birthtimes by seeing a person or even by

talking to him on telephone. His children also have this gift. I

think Mr. KN Rao has also written about this family. You might wish

to enquire into this if you absolutely must have your horoscope. Like

they say, Jahan Chah wahan rah!

 

If you do find more information about the time standards used in

Gujrat or specific place etc, please let us know.

 

Best wishes,

 

Rohiniranjan

, Pratap Kaneria

<pkaneria wrote:

>

> RRji,

>

> I was born in a small town and my mother remembers my birthtime

as 10pm. Now was it adjusted time due to war and not, I don't know

but intend to find out. This morning I jokingly told my wife that I

am going to find a birthtime which will predict moon for me and then

I will settle on it. Actually in your email you quoted a source that

said that the war time was followed in India except Bengal, Orissa

etc. But could it be other way around? Japan had joined Hitler in the

war and was progressing toward India via Burma. Therefore it seems

logical to me that the war time probably was imposed in the eastern

states of India and not in western states.

>

> You may be quite right about birth time rectification methods.

Interpretation of dasa's is also very subjective and not definitive.

Actually as I see, if I can ascertain my navamsa or dasamsa lagna

that should be good enough because most practising astrologers hardly

ever go beyond navamsa/dasamsa. I think Shri Ashutoshji selected

Aquarius lagna for my navamsa because that will put my exalted moon

in fourth house of navamsa. No dasa periods are going to perfectly

align with the events of one's life.

>

> Anyway, at present I am doing this to advance my knowledge of

astrology and may be to be able to predict a happy dream event or

some of my friends. I never want to hear about coming problems. I

just want to hear about pending good events. May be that is how most

people are. Life is not worth living if there is no dream. Dream may

or may not come true but sure helps you deal with current struggles

which are always going on no matter what. At different age, just the

focus changes.

>

> Anyway thanks for your attention!

>

> With Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

>

>

>

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

> Pratap ji,

>

> You mentioned that you have doubts about your birthtime and wartime

> etc. The latter should be easier to figure out and probably more

> substantial (1h difference). What was the source of your birthtime?

> Was it something you were told by one of your parents or was it

> written down in a family diary or document such as birthchart

> prepared around birth?

>

> Fact of the matter is that methods of rectification, though many

and

> used and claimed by many to be fail-proof are generally not so.

> Horoscopic traits and even event analysis again are not absolutely

> perfect because astrological deductions are not absolute or based

on

> a perfect correlation between planetary configurations and

> traits/events. In fact there have been studies done where

individuals

> were given a variety of readings, some based on their charts,

others

> based on other charts and the acceptance of both groups did not

turn

> out to be significantly different. People saw themselves in

readings

> which were based on their chart as well as the ones that were

random.

> Most people are far more complex and varied than any reading they

ar

> given based on traits and tendencies, so there is always something

> that shows up that fits. In fact this is the reason why people even

> fit with their sunsign readings which are based on a different

> zodiac. I think there is a name for this phenomenon -- Barnum

effect,

> if I recall correctly.

>

> If you are really serious about it you should research the source

of

> birthtime and ascertain what is the story there.

>

> Just a thought,

>

> RR

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > There was no issue of trust with my father. I have always

believed

> in 'live and let live' policy and I just could not stand his

> dictatorial attitude and that why never had much communication with

> him.

> >

> > What I said about education and work is honest. Let me give

> couple of points of description of myself as I see them. I am lazy

> when it comes anything physical. I love to sleep, stay up late, get

> up late on my schedule and take afternoon naps. Always looking for

> short cuts. But I love solving problems that require use of brains.

> For example I collected data on horse racing for about 20 yrs

trying

> to figure out a system to make a killing. I must have spent may be

> 10,000 hrs doing that. Then I gave it up completely and suddenly.

> When I am not writing or reading my emails, I am either reading

books

> on astrology or hypnotism or something like that or I am figuring

> out 'Sudoku' puzzles of evil category (hardest). I am quite

extemist

> in the sense that either I like something very much or I don't like

> it at all. There is no middle ground. If I do something I will do

it

> intensively and with singular focus. I absolutely do not like

> confrontation. Therefore most of the time instead

> > of arguing even when I am right, I will just agree to avoid

> confrontation. That does not mean I have really agreed. My opinions

> hardly ever change. I am obstinate that way. I am very adaptable,

can

> put up with things that I don't like for long time if I need to. I

am

> self-reliant, adaptable, independent and very confident. I was very

> ambitious when I started working but not anymore. I have knowledge

> of many subjects but always superficial. Oh, one other thing I am

not

> a good student in the sense that I always question anything taught

to

> me. May be that is why I haven't learned anything in depth.

> >

> > Why am I telling you all this? May be because it might get you

> interested in looking at my chart and making a prediction that will

> come true in near future.

> >

> > Yes I have doubts about my birthtime and wartime corrections. And

> that is why I was inquiring about the application of divisional

> charts the other day. I am not entirely convinced about astrology

and

> all the rules written in so many books because many are quite

> contradictory. Yet I want to believe that there must be a few

people

> who have mastered this science enough to make a definitive

> prediction. With so many rules, like Pradeep said, any past event

can

> be explained by one or the other rule that applies, because there

are

> thousands of rules to choose from.

> >

> > One thing I have concluded is that a person who does not believe

> in astrology or has no interest in astrology, is a person happy in

> all aspects of life.

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> > I

> >

> > crystal pages wrote:

> > I was going with venus since it has been named as a karaka for

> mother

> > in certain contexts.

> > So there was a less than optimum trust with one of the parents!

> >

> > Regarding -- teachers I am glad that you had no problem. Was

there

> > something with the type of education that you found yourself in

or

> > the educational system, the entire experience that could connect

> with

> > the theme of suspicion, excessive caution, mistrust?

> >

> > Please do not think of me as judgmental but there does seem to be

> an

> > undercurrent of very strong vein of disbelief and suspicion and

> lack

> > of trust, if you are being perfectly honest here!

> >

> > You Sir do not even trust your own birthdata, the very source of

> your

> > astrological being! This is not meaningless! Obviously you are

not

> > all that laid-back and lazy and easy-going as you tried to

portray

> > yourself or perhaps view yourself as ;-)

> >

> > I looked up Doris Chase Doane's Time Changes in the World

(predates

> > my computers and software and it states:

> > DST (same as WT) observed 1942-sep-01 to 1945-oct-15 except:

> > Bengal province (specific dates given)

> > Assam province (sp dates)

> > Bihar province (sp dates)

> >

> > Gujrat is not mentioned!

> >

> > This is not definitive but seems like you would have to do some

> more

> > research and find out what was really being followed in Dohraji

at

> > the time of your birth!

> >

> > Suspicion - even manageable paranoia - disbelief is not all that

> bad,

> > trust me! The only reason we are still not in some cave, eating

> roots

> > and insects is because we did not trust status quo! We decided to

> > crawl out of the caves!!

> >

> > Please seek enlightenment and while you are at it, searching your

> > astrological roots, enlighten and educate us!

> >

> > I say that with all sincerity!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected RRji,

> > >

> > > Honest answer is no. I never got along with my father but my

> > relationship with my mother has been very good throughtout. As

far

> as

> > my teachers, excellent relationship and as a matter of fact I was

a

> > favorite student wherever I studied, to the extent that during my

> > master's program (US), my professor came to me during the final

> exam

> > of 'Mass Transfer' and told me to leave because he thought I knew

> the

> > subject so well that I need not give the exam. It was one of the

> > greatest honor a student can get. Similarly, wherever I worked,

my

> > managers were actually my protectors and promoters. To summarize,

I

> > must have tremendous blessing of Guru because I always got along

> with

> > elders, teachers, bosses and still do.

> > >

> > > I really do not understand my horoscope. All the malefic

planets

> > seem to act very much in my favor. I can not figure out really

who

> is

> > malefic for me. By the way I have been diligently trying to

rectify

> > my birthtime and it looks like 22:00:40.934 seem to work. This

new

> > time does not change my rasi chart but navamsa lagna changes to

> > Gemini making my lagna vargottam. Also it makes Rahu and Ketu

> > vargottam.

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the

rahu

> > in

> > > 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

> > >

> > > Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion between

> you

> > > and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point in

> > life?

> > > Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Pratap Kaneria

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected RRji,

> > > >

> > > > I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu in

> > > Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> > > >

> > > > Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

> always -

> > > - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.' does

> not

> > > apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy going,

> lazy

> > > and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone

> until

> > > proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

> > nature,

> > > I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends

and

> > > family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

> > looking

> > > at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> > > >

> > > > My birth data is

> > > > DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27, 21N44

> > > (Dhoraji, India)

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vijayamalur wrote:

> > > > Dear sir

> > > >

> > > > I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in lagna.

> > Infact

> > > i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> > > >

> > > > vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> > > >

> > > > I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in lagna

as

> > The

> > > latter would

> > > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

up

> > > losing a

> > > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> loved

> > > ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy

of

> > mine

> > > to my family sir

> > > >

> > > > I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or

reduce

> > the

> > > ill effect of it

> > > >

> > > > eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> > > >

> > > > best regards

> > > >

> > > > vijaya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > crystal pages

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> > > > Re: Rahu in Lagna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Milind,

> > > >

> > > > Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is creating?

> > > > Please describe for my benefit what your belief is regarding

> > > mantras?

> > > > Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would

get

> > > fixed

> > > > (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> > > >

> > > > Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it makes

> the

> > > native

> > > > very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is

that

> > the

> > > > individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> > > materialistically,

> > > > but over the years they tend to lose things that were in

their

> > > lifeplan

> > > > but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The

latter

> > > would

> > > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

up

> > > losing a

> > > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> loved

> > > ones.

> > > >

> > > > The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

> characteristics

> > of

> > > > that planet do not get expressed naturally and that sometimes

> > > offers

> > > > the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may

not

> > > always

> > > > need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> > > >

> > > > Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal

your

> > > data, I

> > > > could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are

> really

> > > > looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want to

do

> > so

> > > and

> > > > someone will pick up the thread.

> > > >

> > > > It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a fixed

> > box!

> > > In

> > > > the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad

> roles

> > > and

> > > > bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not

closed

> > the

> > > > window of our mind!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "padhyemilind2002"

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello

> > > > > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun,

wherever

> it

> > > is

> > > > > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since

Sun

> is

> > > > > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity

other

> > > planets

> > > > > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at

29.53

> > > degrees

> > > > > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd position,

> and

> > > hence

> > > > I

> > > > > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

> > positions.

> > > Any

> > > > > ideas?

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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RRji,

Thank you for all the time you have devoted on this thread. Yes I have heard of Shri Karveji in Bombay and I am going to look him up if God ever give me permission to visit India in near future (I haven't been to India since 1985 for one or other reasons). I will advise the forum if I find any significant information regarding wartime etc.

I will stop right here because this thread has gone on for long and other readers might be getting irritated.

With Regards,

Pratap

 

crystal pages <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Pratapji,

DST (Wartime) was applied in these three provinces (Bengal, Assam and

Bihar) but at different dates than the rest of the country according

to the source (details in earlier email):

Bengal for instance had WT from 1941 october to mid may 1942 and

again from sept 1942 to oct 47. Most of the country observed WT from

1 september 1942 to 15 october 1945.

Even standard time in India came in bits and pieces, starting in 1907

with Calcutta adopting ST the last (1st oct 1941). To make matters

even more hair-raising for jyotishis the ST meridian initially was

82E30, then became 97E30 and finally in 1947 the current meridian on

82E30 was adopted. Smaller towns had their own variations. So even

when accurate times are known one should watch out for these and

similar considerations particularly when using software that does not

use some of the standard atlases (such as ACS -- though even there in

the odd place there can be errors). Your best bet might be to find a

person who lived in those times where you were born and was

knowledgeable about the time standards used back then (ST, LMT etc).

Watch time alone would not help because it could be set to whatever

was in vogue and what was in vogue we do not know.

 

I can relate to your feeling of uncertainty and frustration. Once

someone has become used to a horoscope for some time it is a big

mindset switch to then see it being replaced by a very different one,

even if it is significant vargas that have changed. I have heard from

someone that in Bombay or Poona there is a yogi Karveji who has been

known to reliably generate birthtimes by seeing a person or even by

talking to him on telephone. His children also have this gift. I

think Mr. KN Rao has also written about this family. You might wish

to enquire into this if you absolutely must have your horoscope. Like

they say, Jahan Chah wahan rah!

 

If you do find more information about the time standards used in

Gujrat or specific place etc, please let us know.

 

Best wishes,

 

Rohiniranjan

, Pratap Kaneria

 

wrote:

>

> RRji,

>

> I was born in a small town and my mother remembers my birthtime

as 10pm. Now was it adjusted time due to war and not, I don't know

but intend to find out. This morning I jokingly told my wife that I

am going to find a birthtime which will predict moon for me and then

I will settle on it. Actually in your email you quoted a source that

said that the war time was followed in India except Bengal, Orissa

etc. But could it be other way around? Japan had joined Hitler in the

war and was progressing toward India via Burma. Therefore it seems

logical to me that the war time probably was imposed in the eastern

states of India and not in western states.

>

> You may be quite right about birth time rectification methods.

Interpretation of dasa's is also very subjective and not definitive.

Actually as I see, if I can ascertain my navamsa or dasamsa lagna

that should be good enough because most practising astrologers hardly

ever go beyond navamsa/dasamsa. I think Shri Ashutoshji selected

Aquarius lagna for my navamsa because that will put my exalted moon

in fourth house of navamsa. No dasa periods are going to perfectly

align with the events of one's life.

>

> Anyway, at present I am doing this to advance my knowledge of

astrology and may be to be able to predict a happy dream event or

some of my friends. I never want to hear about coming problems. I

just want to hear about pending good events. May be that is how most

people are. Life is not worth living if there is no dream. Dream may

or may not come true but sure helps you deal with current struggles

which are always going on no matter what. At different age, just the

focus changes.

>

> Anyway thanks for your attention!

>

> With Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

>

>

>

>

> crystal pages wrote:

> Pratap ji,

>

> You mentioned that you have doubts about your birthtime and wartime

> etc. The latter should be easier to figure out and probably more

> substantial (1h difference). What was the source of your birthtime?

> Was it something you were told by one of your parents or was it

> written down in a family diary or document such as birthchart

> prepared around birth?

>

> Fact of the matter is that methods of rectification, though many

and

> used and claimed by many to be fail-proof are generally not so.

> Horoscopic traits and even event analysis again are not absolutely

> perfect because astrological deductions are not absolute or based

on

> a perfect correlation between planetary configurations and

> traits/events. In fact there have been studies done where

individuals

> were given a variety of readings, some based on their charts,

others

> based on other charts and the acceptance of both groups did not

turn

> out to be significantly different. People saw themselves in

readings

> which were based on their chart as well as the ones that were

random.

> Most people are far more complex and varied than any reading they

ar

> given based on traits and tendencies, so there is always something

> that shows up that fits. In fact this is the reason why people even

> fit with their sunsign readings which are based on a different

> zodiac. I think there is a name for this phenomenon -- Barnum

effect,

> if I recall correctly.

>

> If you are really serious about it you should research the source

of

> birthtime and ascertain what is the story there.

>

> Just a thought,

>

> RR

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > There was no issue of trust with my father. I have always

believed

> in 'live and let live' policy and I just could not stand his

> dictatorial attitude and that why never had much communication with

> him.

> >

> > What I said about education and work is honest. Let me give

> couple of points of description of myself as I see them. I am lazy

> when it comes anything physical. I love to sleep, stay up late, get

> up late on my schedule and take afternoon naps. Always looking for

> short cuts. But I love solving problems that require use of brains.

> For example I collected data on horse racing for about 20 yrs

trying

> to figure out a system to make a killing. I must have spent may be

> 10,000 hrs doing that. Then I gave it up completely and suddenly.

> When I am not writing or reading my emails, I am either reading

books

> on astrology or hypnotism or something like that or I am figuring

> out 'Sudoku' puzzles of evil category (hardest). I am quite

extemist

> in the sense that either I like something very much or I don't like

> it at all. There is no middle ground. If I do something I will do

it

> intensively and with singular focus. I absolutely do not like

> confrontation. Therefore most of the time instead

> > of arguing even when I am right, I will just agree to avoid

> confrontation. That does not mean I have really agreed. My opinions

> hardly ever change. I am obstinate that way. I am very adaptable,

can

> put up with things that I don't like for long time if I need to. I

am

> self-reliant, adaptable, independent and very confident. I was very

> ambitious when I started working but not anymore. I have knowledge

> of many subjects but always superficial. Oh, one other thing I am

not

> a good student in the sense that I always question anything taught

to

> me. May be that is why I haven't learned anything in depth.

> >

> > Why am I telling you all this? May be because it might get you

> interested in looking at my chart and making a prediction that will

> come true in near future.

> >

> > Yes I have doubts about my birthtime and wartime corrections. And

> that is why I was inquiring about the application of divisional

> charts the other day. I am not entirely convinced about astrology

and

> all the rules written in so many books because many are quite

> contradictory. Yet I want to believe that there must be a few

people

> who have mastered this science enough to make a definitive

> prediction. With so many rules, like Pradeep said, any past event

can

> be explained by one or the other rule that applies, because there

are

> thousands of rules to choose from.

> >

> > One thing I have concluded is that a person who does not believe

> in astrology or has no interest in astrology, is a person happy in

> all aspects of life.

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> > I

> >

> > crystal pages wrote:

> > I was going with venus since it has been named as a karaka for

> mother

> > in certain contexts.

> > So there was a less than optimum trust with one of the parents!

> >

> > Regarding -- teachers I am glad that you had no problem. Was

there

> > something with the type of education that you found yourself in

or

> > the educational system, the entire experience that could connect

> with

> > the theme of suspicion, excessive caution, mistrust?

> >

> > Please do not think of me as judgmental but there does seem to be

> an

> > undercurrent of very strong vein of disbelief and suspicion and

> lack

> > of trust, if you are being perfectly honest here!

> >

> > You Sir do not even trust your own birthdata, the very source of

> your

> > astrological being! This is not meaningless! Obviously you are

not

> > all that laid-back and lazy and easy-going as you tried to

portray

> > yourself or perhaps view yourself as ;-)

> >

> > I looked up Doris Chase Doane's Time Changes in the World

(predates

> > my computers and software and it states:

> > DST (same as WT) observed 1942-sep-01 to 1945-oct-15 except:

> > Bengal province (specific dates given)

> > Assam province (sp dates)

> > Bihar province (sp dates)

> >

> > Gujrat is not mentioned!

> >

> > This is not definitive but seems like you would have to do some

> more

> > research and find out what was really being followed in Dohraji

at

> > the time of your birth!

> >

> > Suspicion - even manageable paranoia - disbelief is not all that

> bad,

> > trust me! The only reason we are still not in some cave, eating

> roots

> > and insects is because we did not trust status quo! We decided to

> > crawl out of the caves!!

> >

> > Please seek enlightenment and while you are at it, searching your

> > astrological roots, enlighten and educate us!

> >

> > I say that with all sincerity!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected RRji,

> > >

> > > Honest answer is no. I never got along with my father but my

> > relationship with my mother has been very good throughtout. As

far

> as

> > my teachers, excellent relationship and as a matter of fact I was

a

> > favorite student wherever I studied, to the extent that during my

> > master's program (US), my professor came to me during the final

> exam

> > of 'Mass Transfer' and told me to leave because he thought I knew

> the

> > subject so well that I need not give the exam. It was one of the

> > greatest honor a student can get. Similarly, wherever I worked,

my

> > managers were actually my protectors and promoters. To summarize,

I

> > must have tremendous blessing of Guru because I always got along

> with

> > elders, teachers, bosses and still do.

> > >

> > > I really do not understand my horoscope. All the malefic

planets

> > seem to act very much in my favor. I can not figure out really

who

> is

> > malefic for me. By the way I have been diligently trying to

rectify

> > my birthtime and it looks like 22:00:40.934 seem to work. This

new

> > time does not change my rasi chart but navamsa lagna changes to

> > Gemini making my lagna vargottam. Also it makes Rahu and Ketu

> > vargottam.

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > crystal pages wrote:

> > > How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the

rahu

> > in

> > > 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

> > >

> > > Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion between

> you

> > > and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point in

> > life?

> > > Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Pratap Kaneria

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected RRji,

> > > >

> > > > I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu in

> > > Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

> > > >

> > > > Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

> always -

> > > - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.' does

> not

> > > apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy going,

> lazy

> > > and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone

> until

> > > proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

> > nature,

> > > I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends

and

> > > family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

> > looking

> > > at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

> > > >

> > > > My birth data is

> > > > DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27, 21N44

> > > (Dhoraji, India)

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vijayamalur wrote:

> > > > Dear sir

> > > >

> > > > I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in lagna.

> > Infact

> > > i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

> > > >

> > > > Can you analyse my horoscope pls

> > > >

> > > > vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

> > > >

> > > > I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in lagna

as

> > The

> > > latter would

> > > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

up

> > > losing a

> > > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> loved

> > > ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy

of

> > mine

> > > to my family sir

> > > >

> > > > I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or

reduce

> > the

> > > ill effect of it

> > > >

> > > > eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

> > > >

> > > > best regards

> > > >

> > > > vijaya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > crystal pages

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

> > > > Re: Rahu in Lagna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Milind,

> > > >

> > > > Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is creating?

> > > > Please describe for my benefit what your belief is regarding

> > > mantras?

> > > > Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would

get

> > > fixed

> > > > (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

> > > >

> > > > Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it makes

> the

> > > native

> > > > very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is

that

> > the

> > > > individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

> > > materialistically,

> > > > but over the years they tend to lose things that were in

their

> > > lifeplan

> > > > but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The

latter

> > > would

> > > > reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

up

> > > losing a

> > > > lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

> loved

> > > ones.

> > > >

> > > > The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

> characteristics

> > of

> > > > that planet do not get expressed naturally and that sometimes

> > > offers

> > > > the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may

not

> > > always

> > > > need a mantra or gemstone etc.

> > > >

> > > > Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal

your

> > > data, I

> > > > could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are

> really

> > > > looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want to

do

> > so

> > > and

> > > > someone will pick up the thread.

> > > >

> > > > It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a fixed

> > box!

> > > In

> > > > the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad

> roles

> > > and

> > > > bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not

closed

> > the

> > > > window of our mind!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "padhyemilind2002"

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello

> > > > > In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun,

wherever

> it

> > > is

> > > > > present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since

Sun

> is

> > > > > enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity

other

> > > planets

> > > > > have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at

29.53

> > > degrees

> > > > > in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd position,

> and

> > > hence

> > > > I

> > > > > get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

> > positions.

> > > Any

> > > > > ideas?

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Wonderful suggestion of list mail segregation. The more tags can be added like chart reading request (CR), research mail (RM) etc.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

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> Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:40:52 -0000

>

> A FORUM SUGGESTION// WAS Re: Rahu in Lagna [X admin.]

>

> Dear Pratapji and others.

> Yes that is a wise decision and the thread has perhaps accomplished

> what it was initiated for.

>

> Since in a large forum like this, there are bound to be people with

> wide variations of tolerance and widely different styles of

> expression, there are bound to be digressions and frustrations from

> time to time. Being several times a named party who tends to talk

> about things and aspects of human experience other than technical

> jyotish, and a heavy duty practitioner of "Read only what one likes",

> I have often wondered why people get so irritated. It is so easy to

> skip the messages you don't like! Then someone pointed out that some

> of us receive ALL emails in their mailboxes (despite clear volume

> alerts in the home page) and have no choice over selective

> downloading. I can realize that even though they can still quickly

> skim and skip, but the downloading part is unalterable and it could

> tie their phone line if they are on a modem service and particularly

> in a region where phone service is subject to powers greater than

> Jyotish with the reliability of less than 1!

>

> Unfortunately, I cannot help them with a solution but to ease the

> pain, I have a proposal. How about if each serious poster and

> responder use a message content flag system? When we reply to a

> message, we can either insert a code (see below) to indicate the

> nature of response and to avoid the header getting too long, replace

> the earlier code that gets copied in the header:

> T: Jyotish technical

> R: Remedies technical

> RG: Remedies general

> P: Philosophical

> X: miscellaneous, literary or information

> If there are multiple content types, we can use the dominant theme or

> themes just to keep it simple, eg. TP would be technical and

> philosophical, TG could be technical and general, etc.

>

> See example in the header of this message.

>

> I know it is a bit tedious sounding at first but once we get into the

> discipline of doing this, it will become second nature. And web

> readers could perhaps benefit from this coding more. Unfortunately,

> the downloading woes cannot be solved. Postings without such codings

> would risk being ignored. THEN after this the discipline falls on the

> shoulder of the reader! If they go ahead and read out of

> uncontrollable curiosity and come out disappointed, well they had the

> warning!

>

> The only other way to control messages would be a rather strict

> moderation and most general forums do not like that because readers

> do not like that. It is a fine line as long as the purpose is clear.

>

> RR

>

>

>

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

> <pkaneria wrote:

>>

>> RRji,

>>

>> Thank you for all the time you have devoted on this thread. Yes I

> have heard of Shri Karveji in Bombay and I am going to look him up if

> God ever give me permission to visit India in near future (I haven't

> been to India since 1985 for one or other reasons). I will advise the

> forum if I find any significant information regarding wartime etc.

>>

>> I will stop right here because this thread has gone on for long

> and other readers might be getting irritated.

>>

>> With Regards,

>>

>> Pratap

>>

>> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote:

>> Pratapji,

>> DST (Wartime) was applied in these three provinces (Bengal, Assam

> and

>> Bihar) but at different dates than the rest of the country

> according

>> to the source (details in earlier email):

>> Bengal for instance had WT from 1941 october to mid may 1942 and

>> again from sept 1942 to oct 47. Most of the country observed WT

> from

>> 1 september 1942 to 15 october 1945.

>> Even standard time in India came in bits and pieces, starting in

> 1907

>> with Calcutta adopting ST the last (1st oct 1941). To make matters

>> even more hair-raising for jyotishis the ST meridian initially was

>> 82E30, then became 97E30 and finally in 1947 the current meridian

> on

>> 82E30 was adopted. Smaller towns had their own variations. So even

>> when accurate times are known one should watch out for these and

>> similar considerations particularly when using software that does

> not

>> use some of the standard atlases (such as ACS -- though even there

> in

>> the odd place there can be errors). Your best bet might be to find

> a

>> person who lived in those times where you were born and was

>> knowledgeable about the time standards used back then (ST, LMT

> etc).

>> Watch time alone would not help because it could be set to whatever

>> was in vogue and what was in vogue we do not know.

>>

>> I can relate to your feeling of uncertainty and frustration. Once

>> someone has become used to a horoscope for some time it is a big

>> mindset switch to then see it being replaced by a very different

> one,

>> even if it is significant vargas that have changed. I have heard

> from

>> someone that in Bombay or Poona there is a yogi Karveji who has

> been

>> known to reliably generate birthtimes by seeing a person or even by

>> talking to him on telephone. His children also have this gift. I

>> think Mr. KN Rao has also written about this family. You might wish

>> to enquire into this if you absolutely must have your horoscope.

> Like

>> they say, Jahan Chah wahan rah!

>>

>> If you do find more information about the time standards used in

>> Gujrat or specific place etc, please let us know.

>>

>> Best wishes,

>>

>> Rohiniranjan

>> , Pratap Kaneria

>>

>> wrote:

>>>

>>> RRji,

>>>

>>> I was born in a small town and my mother remembers my birthtime

>> as 10pm. Now was it adjusted time due to war and not, I don't know

>> but intend to find out. This morning I jokingly told my wife that I

>> am going to find a birthtime which will predict moon for me and

> then

>> I will settle on it. Actually in your email you quoted a source

> that

>> said that the war time was followed in India except Bengal, Orissa

>> etc. But could it be other way around? Japan had joined Hitler in

> the

>> war and was progressing toward India via Burma. Therefore it seems

>> logical to me that the war time probably was imposed in the eastern

>> states of India and not in western states.

>>>

>>> You may be quite right about birth time rectification methods.

>> Interpretation of dasa's is also very subjective and not

> definitive.

>> Actually as I see, if I can ascertain my navamsa or dasamsa lagna

>> that should be good enough because most practising astrologers

> hardly

>> ever go beyond navamsa/dasamsa. I think Shri Ashutoshji selected

>> Aquarius lagna for my navamsa because that will put my exalted moon

>> in fourth house of navamsa. No dasa periods are going to perfectly

>> align with the events of one's life.

>>>

>>> Anyway, at present I am doing this to advance my knowledge of

>> astrology and may be to be able to predict a happy dream event or

>> some of my friends. I never want to hear about coming problems. I

>> just want to hear about pending good events. May be that is how

> most

>> people are. Life is not worth living if there is no dream. Dream

> may

>> or may not come true but sure helps you deal with current struggles

>> which are always going on no matter what. At different age, just

> the

>> focus changes.

>>>

>>> Anyway thanks for your attention!

>>>

>>> With Regards,

>>>

>>> Pratap

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> crystal pages wrote:

>>> Pratap ji,

>>>

>>> You mentioned that you have doubts about your birthtime and

> wartime

>>> etc. The latter should be easier to figure out and probably more

>>> substantial (1h difference). What was the source of your

> birthtime?

>>> Was it something you were told by one of your parents or was it

>>> written down in a family diary or document such as birthchart

>>> prepared around birth?

>>>

>>> Fact of the matter is that methods of rectification, though many

>> and

>>> used and claimed by many to be fail-proof are generally not so.

>>> Horoscopic traits and even event analysis again are not

> absolutely

>>> perfect because astrological deductions are not absolute or based

>> on

>>> a perfect correlation between planetary configurations and

>>> traits/events. In fact there have been studies done where

>> individuals

>>> were given a variety of readings, some based on their charts,

>> others

>>> based on other charts and the acceptance of both groups did not

>> turn

>>> out to be significantly different. People saw themselves in

>> readings

>>> which were based on their chart as well as the ones that were

>> random.

>>> Most people are far more complex and varied than any reading they

>> ar

>>> given based on traits and tendencies, so there is always

> something

>>> that shows up that fits. In fact this is the reason why people

> even

>>> fit with their sunsign readings which are based on a different

>>> zodiac. I think there is a name for this phenomenon -- Barnum

>> effect,

>>> if I recall correctly.

>>>

>>> If you are really serious about it you should research the source

>> of

>>> birthtime and ascertain what is the story there.

>>>

>>> Just a thought,

>>>

>>> RR

>>>

>>> , Pratap Kaneria

>>>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> There was no issue of trust with my father. I have always

>> believed

>>> in 'live and let live' policy and I just could not stand his

>>> dictatorial attitude and that why never had much communication

> with

>>> him.

>>>>

>>>> What I said about education and work is honest. Let me give

>>> couple of points of description of myself as I see them. I am

> lazy

>>> when it comes anything physical. I love to sleep, stay up late,

> get

>>> up late on my schedule and take afternoon naps. Always looking

> for

>>> short cuts. But I love solving problems that require use of

> brains.

>>> For example I collected data on horse racing for about 20 yrs

>> trying

>>> to figure out a system to make a killing. I must have spent may

> be

>>> 10,000 hrs doing that. Then I gave it up completely and suddenly.

>>> When I am not writing or reading my emails, I am either reading

>> books

>>> on astrology or hypnotism or something like that or I am figuring

>>> out 'Sudoku' puzzles of evil category (hardest). I am quite

>> extemist

>>> in the sense that either I like something very much or I don't

> like

>>> it at all. There is no middle ground. If I do something I will do

>> it

>>> intensively and with singular focus. I absolutely do not like

>>> confrontation. Therefore most of the time instead

>>>> of arguing even when I am right, I will just agree to avoid

>>> confrontation. That does not mean I have really agreed. My

> opinions

>>> hardly ever change. I am obstinate that way. I am very adaptable,

>> can

>>> put up with things that I don't like for long time if I need to.

> I

>> am

>>> self-reliant, adaptable, independent and very confident. I was

> very

>>> ambitious when I started working but not anymore. I have

> knowledge

>>> of many subjects but always superficial. Oh, one other thing I am

>> not

>>> a good student in the sense that I always question anything

> taught

>> to

>>> me. May be that is why I haven't learned anything in depth.

>>>>

>>>> Why am I telling you all this? May be because it might get you

>>> interested in looking at my chart and making a prediction that

> will

>>> come true in near future.

>>>>

>>>> Yes I have doubts about my birthtime and wartime corrections.

> And

>>> that is why I was inquiring about the application of divisional

>>> charts the other day. I am not entirely convinced about astrology

>> and

>>> all the rules written in so many books because many are quite

>>> contradictory. Yet I want to believe that there must be a few

>> people

>>> who have mastered this science enough to make a definitive

>>> prediction. With so many rules, like Pradeep said, any past event

>> can

>>> be explained by one or the other rule that applies, because there

>> are

>>> thousands of rules to choose from.

>>>>

>>>> One thing I have concluded is that a person who does not

> believe

>>> in astrology or has no interest in astrology, is a person happy

> in

>>> all aspects of life.

>>>>

>>>> Pratap

>>>>

>>>> I

>>>>

>>>> crystal pages wrote:

>>>> I was going with venus since it has been named as a karaka for

>>> mother

>>>> in certain contexts.

>>>> So there was a less than optimum trust with one of the parents!

>>>>

>>>> Regarding -- teachers I am glad that you had no problem. Was

>> there

>>>> something with the type of education that you found yourself in

>> or

>>>> the educational system, the entire experience that could

> connect

>>> with

>>>> the theme of suspicion, excessive caution, mistrust?

>>>>

>>>> Please do not think of me as judgmental but there does seem to

> be

>>> an

>>>> undercurrent of very strong vein of disbelief and suspicion and

>>> lack

>>>> of trust, if you are being perfectly honest here!

>>>>

>>>> You Sir do not even trust your own birthdata, the very source

> of

>>> your

>>>> astrological being! This is not meaningless! Obviously you are

>> not

>>>> all that laid-back and lazy and easy-going as you tried to

>> portray

>>>> yourself or perhaps view yourself as ;-)

>>>>

>>>> I looked up Doris Chase Doane's Time Changes in the World

>> (predates

>>>> my computers and software and it states:

>>>> DST (same as WT) observed 1942-sep-01 to 1945-oct-15 except:

>>>> Bengal province (specific dates given)

>>>> Assam province (sp dates)

>>>> Bihar province (sp dates)

>>>>

>>>> Gujrat is not mentioned!

>>>>

>>>> This is not definitive but seems like you would have to do some

>>> more

>>>> research and find out what was really being followed in Dohraji

>> at

>>>> the time of your birth!

>>>>

>>>> Suspicion - even manageable paranoia - disbelief is not all

> that

>>> bad,

>>>> trust me! The only reason we are still not in some cave, eating

>>> roots

>>>> and insects is because we did not trust status quo! We decided

> to

>>>> crawl out of the caves!!

>>>>

>>>> Please seek enlightenment and while you are at it, searching

> your

>>>> astrological roots, enlighten and educate us!

>>>>

>>>> I say that with all sincerity!!

>>>>

>>>> RR

>>>>

>>>> , Pratap Kaneria

>>>>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Respected RRji,

>>>>>

>>>>> Honest answer is no. I never got along with my father but my

>>>> relationship with my mother has been very good throughtout. As

>> far

>>> as

>>>> my teachers, excellent relationship and as a matter of fact I

> was

>> a

>>>> favorite student wherever I studied, to the extent that during

> my

>>>> master's program (US), my professor came to me during the final

>>> exam

>>>> of 'Mass Transfer' and told me to leave because he thought I

> knew

>>> the

>>>> subject so well that I need not give the exam. It was one of

> the

>>>> greatest honor a student can get. Similarly, wherever I worked,

>> my

>>>> managers were actually my protectors and promoters. To

> summarize,

>> I

>>>> must have tremendous blessing of Guru because I always got

> along

>>> with

>>>> elders, teachers, bosses and still do.

>>>>>

>>>>> I really do not understand my horoscope. All the malefic

>> planets

>>>> seem to act very much in my favor. I can not figure out really

>> who

>>> is

>>>> malefic for me. By the way I have been diligently trying to

>> rectify

>>>> my birthtime and it looks like 22:00:40.934 seem to work. This

>> new

>>>> time does not change my rasi chart but navamsa lagna changes to

>>>> Gemini making my lagna vargottam. Also it makes Rahu and Ketu

>>>> vargottam.

>>>>>

>>>>> With Regards,

>>>>>

>>>>> Pratap

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> crystal pages wrote:

>>>>> How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the

>> rahu

>>>> in

>>>>> 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

>>>>>

>>>>> Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion

> between

>>> you

>>>>> and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point

> in

>>>> life?

>>>>> Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

>>>>>

>>>>> Thanks

>>>>>

>>>>> RR

>>>>>

>>>>> , Pratap Kaneria

>>>>>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Respected RRji,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu

> in

>>>>> Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

>>> always -

>>>>> - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.'

> does

>>> not

>>>>> apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy

> going,

>>> lazy

>>>>> and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone

>>> until

>>>>> proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

>>>> nature,

>>>>> I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends

>> and

>>>>> family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

>>>> looking

>>>>> at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> My birth data is

>>>>>> DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27,

> 21N44

>>>>> (Dhoraji, India)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> With Regards,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Pratap

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> vijayamalur wrote:

>>>>>> Dear sir

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in

> lagna.

>>>> Infact

>>>>> i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Can you analyse my horoscope pls

>>>>>>

>>>>>> vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in

> lagna

>> as

>>>> The

>>>>> latter would

>>>>>> reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

>> up

>>>>> losing a

>>>>>> lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

>>> loved

>>>>> ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy

>> of

>>>> mine

>>>>> to my family sir

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or

>> reduce

>>>> the

>>>>> ill effect of it

>>>>>>

>>>>>> eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

>>>>>>

>>>>>> best regards

>>>>>>

>>>>>> vijaya

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> -

>>>>>> crystal pages

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

>>>>>> Re: Rahu in Lagna

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear Milind,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is

> creating?

>>>>>> Please describe for my benefit what your belief is

> regarding

>>>>> mantras?

>>>>>> Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would

>> get

>>>>> fixed

>>>>>> (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it

> makes

>>> the

>>>>> native

>>>>>> very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is

>> that

>>>> the

>>>>>> individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

>>>>> materialistically,

>>>>>> but over the years they tend to lose things that were in

>> their

>>>>> lifeplan

>>>>>> but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The

>> latter

>>>>> would

>>>>>> reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

>> up

>>>>> losing a

>>>>>> lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

>>> loved

>>>>> ones.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

>>> characteristics

>>>> of

>>>>>> that planet do not get expressed naturally and that

> sometimes

>>>>> offers

>>>>>> the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may

>> not

>>>>> always

>>>>>> need a mantra or gemstone etc.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal

>> your

>>>>> data, I

>>>>>> could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are

>>> really

>>>>>> looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want

> to

>> do

>>>> so

>>>>> and

>>>>>> someone will pick up the thread.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a

> fixed

>>>> box!

>>>>> In

>>>>>> the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad

>>> roles

>>>>> and

>>>>>> bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not

>> closed

>>>> the

>>>>>> window of our mind!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> RR

>>>>>>

>>>>>> , "padhyemilind2002"

>>>>>>

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hello

>>>>>>> In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun,

>> wherever

>>> it

>>>>> is

>>>>>>> present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since

>> Sun

>>> is

>>>>>>> enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity

>> other

>>>>> planets

>>>>>>> have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at

>> 29.53

>>>>> degrees

>>>>>>> in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd

> position,

>>> and

>>>>> hence

>>>>>> I

>>>>>>> get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

>>>> positions.

>>>>> Any

>>>>>>> ideas?

>>>>>>> Thanks

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

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Dear Ranjan ji,

 

Sometimes, i feel - forum must also permit to create sub forums for various subjects..and this flag, can also save lots of time for the forum participants. like, I use web based mailing (to avoid bulk mails / spams, virus attacks; and to keep my professional mails seperated from the other areas of interests) - it becomes handy to preserve the threads for future references and delete the mails of non interest (e.g. chart reading requests etc) from the header itself (yes, MS Outlook can also be used for this).

 

Once we start implementing this, there will be consensus drawn in due course - on its operating model.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

 

 

>

> jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

> Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:48:24 -0000

>

> A FORUM SUGGESTION// WAS Re: Rahu in Lagna [X admin.]

>

> Thanks Prafulla. The only caution I would like to sound is that

> individuals would have different tolerances to the number of labels ;-

> ) and that could create problems and frustrations for some. The other

> option can be a short keyword instead of a letter code [tech],

> [reading], [admin], [promo], [gen], [writing] or ]literature], [stock

> market], [quiz], [news item], etc.

>

> I would generally avoid names of individuals in headers. If one wants

> to write to the person alone, use private email.

>

> I find that the new interface shows all the messages connected

> to a stem and branches regardless of if someone changed the header or

> not. This is a big step forward, because now people can change the

> subject heading to reflect the message content, rather than using

> Rahu in Lagna and talking about Bandung conference or players

> therein. This is not being stated critically or sarcastically but in

> a matter-of-fact manner.

>

> RR

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Ranjan ji

>>

>> Wonderful suggestion of list mail segregation. The more tags can be

> added like chart reading request (CR), research mail (RM) etc.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> The only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> jyotish_vani

>>> Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:40:52 -0000

>>>

>>> A FORUM SUGGESTION// WAS Re: Rahu in Lagna [X

> admin.]

>>>

>>> Dear Pratapji and others.

>>> Yes that is a wise decision and the thread has perhaps

> accomplished

>>> what it was initiated for.

>>>

>>> Since in a large forum like this, there are bound to be people

> with

>>> wide variations of tolerance and widely different styles of

>>> expression, there are bound to be digressions and frustrations

> from

>>> time to time. Being several times a named party who tends to talk

>>> about things and aspects of human experience other than technical

>>> jyotish, and a heavy duty practitioner of "Read only what one

> likes",

>>> I have often wondered why people get so irritated. It is so easy

> to

>>> skip the messages you don't like! Then someone pointed out that

> some

>>> of us receive ALL emails in their mailboxes (despite clear volume

>>> alerts in the home page) and have no choice over selective

>>> downloading. I can realize that even though they can still quickly

>>> skim and skip, but the downloading part is unalterable and it

> could

>>> tie their phone line if they are on a modem service and

> particularly

>>> in a region where phone service is subject to powers greater than

>>> Jyotish with the reliability of less than 1!

>>>

>>> Unfortunately, I cannot help them with a solution but to ease the

>>> pain, I have a proposal. How about if each serious poster and

>>> responder use a message content flag system? When we reply to a

>>> message, we can either insert a code (see below) to indicate the

>>> nature of response and to avoid the header getting too long,

> replace

>>> the earlier code that gets copied in the header:

>>> T: Jyotish technical

>>> R: Remedies technical

>>> RG: Remedies general

>>> P: Philosophical

>>> X: miscellaneous, literary or information

>>> If there are multiple content types, we can use the dominant

> theme or

>>> themes just to keep it simple, eg. TP would be technical and

>>> philosophical, TG could be technical and general, etc.

>>>

>>> See example in the header of this message.

>>>

>>> I know it is a bit tedious sounding at first but once we get into

> the

>>> discipline of doing this, it will become second nature. And web

>>> readers could perhaps benefit from this coding more.

> Unfortunately,

>>> the downloading woes cannot be solved. Postings without such

> codings

>>> would risk being ignored. THEN after this the discipline falls on

> the

>>> shoulder of the reader! If they go ahead and read out of

>>> uncontrollable curiosity and come out disappointed, well they had

> the

>>> warning!

>>>

>>> The only other way to control messages would be a rather strict

>>> moderation and most general forums do not like that because

> readers

>>> do not like that. It is a fine line as long as the purpose is

> clear.

>>>

>>> RR

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> , Pratap Kaneria

>>> <pkaneria@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> RRji,

>>>>

>>>> Thank you for all the time you have devoted on this thread.

> Yes I

>>> have heard of Shri Karveji in Bombay and I am going to look him

> up if

>>> God ever give me permission to visit India in near future (I

> haven't

>>> been to India since 1985 for one or other reasons). I will advise

> the

>>> forum if I find any significant information regarding wartime etc.

>>>>

>>>> I will stop right here because this thread has gone on for long

>>> and other readers might be getting irritated.

>>>>

>>>> With Regards,

>>>>

>>>> Pratap

>>>>

>>>> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

>>>> Pratapji,

>>>> DST (Wartime) was applied in these three provinces (Bengal, Assam

>>> and

>>>> Bihar) but at different dates than the rest of the country

>>> according

>>>> to the source (details in earlier email):

>>>> Bengal for instance had WT from 1941 october to mid may 1942 and

>>>> again from sept 1942 to oct 47. Most of the country observed WT

>>> from

>>>> 1 september 1942 to 15 october 1945.

>>>> Even standard time in India came in bits and pieces, starting in

>>> 1907

>>>> with Calcutta adopting ST the last (1st oct 1941). To make

> matters

>>>> even more hair-raising for jyotishis the ST meridian initially

> was

>>>> 82E30, then became 97E30 and finally in 1947 the current meridian

>>> on

>>>> 82E30 was adopted. Smaller towns had their own variations. So

> even

>>>> when accurate times are known one should watch out for these and

>>>> similar considerations particularly when using software that does

>>> not

>>>> use some of the standard atlases (such as ACS -- though even

> there

>>> in

>>>> the odd place there can be errors). Your best bet might be to

> find

>>> a

>>>> person who lived in those times where you were born and was

>>>> knowledgeable about the time standards used back then (ST, LMT

>>> etc).

>>>> Watch time alone would not help because it could be set to

> whatever

>>>> was in vogue and what was in vogue we do not know.

>>>>

>>>> I can relate to your feeling of uncertainty and frustration. Once

>>>> someone has become used to a horoscope for some time it is a big

>>>> mindset switch to then see it being replaced by a very different

>>> one,

>>>> even if it is significant vargas that have changed. I have heard

>>> from

>>>> someone that in Bombay or Poona there is a yogi Karveji who has

>>> been

>>>> known to reliably generate birthtimes by seeing a person or even

> by

>>>> talking to him on telephone. His children also have this gift. I

>>>> think Mr. KN Rao has also written about this family. You might

> wish

>>>> to enquire into this if you absolutely must have your horoscope.

>>> Like

>>>> they say, Jahan Chah wahan rah!

>>>>

>>>> If you do find more information about the time standards used in

>>>> Gujrat or specific place etc, please let us know.

>>>>

>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>

>>>> Rohiniranjan

>>>> , Pratap Kaneria

>>>>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> RRji,

>>>>>

>>>>> I was born in a small town and my mother remembers my birthtime

>>>> as 10pm. Now was it adjusted time due to war and not, I don't

> know

>>>> but intend to find out. This morning I jokingly told my wife

> that I

>>>> am going to find a birthtime which will predict moon for me and

>>> then

>>>> I will settle on it. Actually in your email you quoted a source

>>> that

>>>> said that the war time was followed in India except Bengal,

> Orissa

>>>> etc. But could it be other way around? Japan had joined Hitler in

>>> the

>>>> war and was progressing toward India via Burma. Therefore it

> seems

>>>> logical to me that the war time probably was imposed in the

> eastern

>>>> states of India and not in western states.

>>>>>

>>>>> You may be quite right about birth time rectification methods.

>>>> Interpretation of dasa's is also very subjective and not

>>> definitive.

>>>> Actually as I see, if I can ascertain my navamsa or dasamsa lagna

>>>> that should be good enough because most practising astrologers

>>> hardly

>>>> ever go beyond navamsa/dasamsa. I think Shri Ashutoshji selected

>>>> Aquarius lagna for my navamsa because that will put my exalted

> moon

>>>> in fourth house of navamsa. No dasa periods are going to

> perfectly

>>>> align with the events of one's life.

>>>>>

>>>>> Anyway, at present I am doing this to advance my knowledge of

>>>> astrology and may be to be able to predict a happy dream event or

>>>> some of my friends. I never want to hear about coming problems. I

>>>> just want to hear about pending good events. May be that is how

>>> most

>>>> people are. Life is not worth living if there is no dream. Dream

>>> may

>>>> or may not come true but sure helps you deal with current

> struggles

>>>> which are always going on no matter what. At different age, just

>>> the

>>>> focus changes.

>>>>>

>>>>> Anyway thanks for your attention!

>>>>>

>>>>> With Regards,

>>>>>

>>>>> Pratap

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> crystal pages wrote:

>>>>> Pratap ji,

>>>>>

>>>>> You mentioned that you have doubts about your birthtime and

>>> wartime

>>>>> etc. The latter should be easier to figure out and probably more

>>>>> substantial (1h difference). What was the source of your

>>> birthtime?

>>>>> Was it something you were told by one of your parents or was it

>>>>> written down in a family diary or document such as birthchart

>>>>> prepared around birth?

>>>>>

>>>>> Fact of the matter is that methods of rectification, though many

>>>> and

>>>>> used and claimed by many to be fail-proof are generally not so.

>>>>> Horoscopic traits and even event analysis again are not

>>> absolutely

>>>>> perfect because astrological deductions are not absolute or

> based

>>>> on

>>>>> a perfect correlation between planetary configurations and

>>>>> traits/events. In fact there have been studies done where

>>>> individuals

>>>>> were given a variety of readings, some based on their charts,

>>>> others

>>>>> based on other charts and the acceptance of both groups did not

>>>> turn

>>>>> out to be significantly different. People saw themselves in

>>>> readings

>>>>> which were based on their chart as well as the ones that were

>>>> random.

>>>>> Most people are far more complex and varied than any reading

> they

>>>> ar

>>>>> given based on traits and tendencies, so there is always

>>> something

>>>>> that shows up that fits. In fact this is the reason why people

>>> even

>>>>> fit with their sunsign readings which are based on a different

>>>>> zodiac. I think there is a name for this phenomenon -- Barnum

>>>> effect,

>>>>> if I recall correctly.

>>>>>

>>>>> If you are really serious about it you should research the

> source

>>>> of

>>>>> birthtime and ascertain what is the story there.

>>>>>

>>>>> Just a thought,

>>>>>

>>>>> RR

>>>>>

>>>>> , Pratap Kaneria

>>>>>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> There was no issue of trust with my father. I have always

>>>> believed

>>>>> in 'live and let live' policy and I just could not stand his

>>>>> dictatorial attitude and that why never had much communication

>>> with

>>>>> him.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> What I said about education and work is honest. Let me give

>>>>> couple of points of description of myself as I see them. I am

>>> lazy

>>>>> when it comes anything physical. I love to sleep, stay up late,

>>> get

>>>>> up late on my schedule and take afternoon naps. Always looking

>>> for

>>>>> short cuts. But I love solving problems that require use of

>>> brains.

>>>>> For example I collected data on horse racing for about 20 yrs

>>>> trying

>>>>> to figure out a system to make a killing. I must have spent may

>>> be

>>>>> 10,000 hrs doing that. Then I gave it up completely and

> suddenly.

>>>>> When I am not writing or reading my emails, I am either reading

>>>> books

>>>>> on astrology or hypnotism or something like that or I am

> figuring

>>>>> out 'Sudoku' puzzles of evil category (hardest). I am quite

>>>> extemist

>>>>> in the sense that either I like something very much or I don't

>>> like

>>>>> it at all. There is no middle ground. If I do something I will

> do

>>>> it

>>>>> intensively and with singular focus. I absolutely do not like

>>>>> confrontation. Therefore most of the time instead

>>>>>> of arguing even when I am right, I will just agree to avoid

>>>>> confrontation. That does not mean I have really agreed. My

>>> opinions

>>>>> hardly ever change. I am obstinate that way. I am very

> adaptable,

>>>> can

>>>>> put up with things that I don't like for long time if I need to.

>>> I

>>>> am

>>>>> self-reliant, adaptable, independent and very confident. I was

>>> very

>>>>> ambitious when I started working but not anymore. I have

>>> knowledge

>>>>> of many subjects but always superficial. Oh, one other thing I

> am

>>>> not

>>>>> a good student in the sense that I always question anything

>>> taught

>>>> to

>>>>> me. May be that is why I haven't learned anything in depth.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Why am I telling you all this? May be because it might get you

>>>>> interested in looking at my chart and making a prediction that

>>> will

>>>>> come true in near future.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes I have doubts about my birthtime and wartime corrections.

>>> And

>>>>> that is why I was inquiring about the application of divisional

>>>>> charts the other day. I am not entirely convinced about

> astrology

>>>> and

>>>>> all the rules written in so many books because many are quite

>>>>> contradictory. Yet I want to believe that there must be a few

>>>> people

>>>>> who have mastered this science enough to make a definitive

>>>>> prediction. With so many rules, like Pradeep said, any past

> event

>>>> can

>>>>> be explained by one or the other rule that applies, because

> there

>>>> are

>>>>> thousands of rules to choose from.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> One thing I have concluded is that a person who does not

>>> believe

>>>>> in astrology or has no interest in astrology, is a person happy

>>> in

>>>>> all aspects of life.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Pratap

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I

>>>>>>

>>>>>> crystal pages wrote:

>>>>>> I was going with venus since it has been named as a karaka for

>>>>> mother

>>>>>> in certain contexts.

>>>>>> So there was a less than optimum trust with one of the parents!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Regarding -- teachers I am glad that you had no problem. Was

>>>> there

>>>>>> something with the type of education that you found yourself in

>>>> or

>>>>>> the educational system, the entire experience that could

>>> connect

>>>>> with

>>>>>> the theme of suspicion, excessive caution, mistrust?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Please do not think of me as judgmental but there does seem to

>>> be

>>>>> an

>>>>>> undercurrent of very strong vein of disbelief and suspicion and

>>>>> lack

>>>>>> of trust, if you are being perfectly honest here!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You Sir do not even trust your own birthdata, the very source

>>> of

>>>>> your

>>>>>> astrological being! This is not meaningless! Obviously you are

>>>> not

>>>>>> all that laid-back and lazy and easy-going as you tried to

>>>> portray

>>>>>> yourself or perhaps view yourself as ;-)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I looked up Doris Chase Doane's Time Changes in the World

>>>> (predates

>>>>>> my computers and software and it states:

>>>>>> DST (same as WT) observed 1942-sep-01 to 1945-oct-15 except:

>>>>>> Bengal province (specific dates given)

>>>>>> Assam province (sp dates)

>>>>>> Bihar province (sp dates)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Gujrat is not mentioned!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This is not definitive but seems like you would have to do some

>>>>> more

>>>>>> research and find out what was really being followed in Dohraji

>>>> at

>>>>>> the time of your birth!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Suspicion - even manageable paranoia - disbelief is not all

>>> that

>>>>> bad,

>>>>>> trust me! The only reason we are still not in some cave, eating

>>>>> roots

>>>>>> and insects is because we did not trust status quo! We decided

>>> to

>>>>>> crawl out of the caves!!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Please seek enlightenment and while you are at it, searching

>>> your

>>>>>> astrological roots, enlighten and educate us!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I say that with all sincerity!!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> RR

>>>>>>

>>>>>> , Pratap Kaneria

>>>>>>

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Respected RRji,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Honest answer is no. I never got along with my father but my

>>>>>> relationship with my mother has been very good throughtout. As

>>>> far

>>>>> as

>>>>>> my teachers, excellent relationship and as a matter of fact I

>>> was

>>>> a

>>>>>> favorite student wherever I studied, to the extent that during

>>> my

>>>>>> master's program (US), my professor came to me during the final

>>>>> exam

>>>>>> of 'Mass Transfer' and told me to leave because he thought I

>>> knew

>>>>> the

>>>>>> subject so well that I need not give the exam. It was one of

>>> the

>>>>>> greatest honor a student can get. Similarly, wherever I worked,

>>>> my

>>>>>> managers were actually my protectors and promoters. To

>>> summarize,

>>>> I

>>>>>> must have tremendous blessing of Guru because I always got

>>> along

>>>>> with

>>>>>> elders, teachers, bosses and still do.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I really do not understand my horoscope. All the malefic

>>>> planets

>>>>>> seem to act very much in my favor. I can not figure out really

>>>> who

>>>>> is

>>>>>> malefic for me. By the way I have been diligently trying to

>>>> rectify

>>>>>> my birthtime and it looks like 22:00:40.934 seem to work. This

>>>> new

>>>>>> time does not change my rasi chart but navamsa lagna changes to

>>>>>> Gemini making my lagna vargottam. Also it makes Rahu and Ketu

>>>>>> vargottam.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> With Regards,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Pratap

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> crystal pages wrote:

>>>>>>> How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the

>>>> rahu

>>>>>> in

>>>>>>> 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion

>>> between

>>>>> you

>>>>>>> and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point

>>> in

>>>>>> life?

>>>>>>> Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Thanks

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> RR

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , Pratap Kaneria

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Respected RRji,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu

>>> in

>>>>>>> Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

>>>>> always -

>>>>>>> - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.'

>>> does

>>>>> not

>>>>>>> apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy

>>> going,

>>>>> lazy

>>>>>>> and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost everyone

>>>>> until

>>>>>>> proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

>>>>>> nature,

>>>>>>> I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends

>>>> and

>>>>>>> family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

>>>>>> looking

>>>>>>> at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> My birth data is

>>>>>>>> DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27,

>>> 21N44

>>>>>>> (Dhoraji, India)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> With Regards,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Pratap

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> vijayamalur wrote:

>>>>>>>> Dear sir

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in

>>> lagna.

>>>>>> Infact

>>>>>>> i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Can you analyse my horoscope pls

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in

>>> lagna

>>>> as

>>>>>> The

>>>>>>> latter would

>>>>>>>> reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

>>>> up

>>>>>>> losing a

>>>>>>>> lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

>>>>> loved

>>>>>>> ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of negativitiy

>>>> of

>>>>>> mine

>>>>>>> to my family sir

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or

>>>> reduce

>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> ill effect of it

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> best regards

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> vijaya

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> -

>>>>>>>> crystal pages

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

>>>>>>>> Re: Rahu in Lagna

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Dear Milind,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is

>>> creating?

>>>>>>>> Please describe for my benefit what your belief is

>>> regarding

>>>>>>> mantras?

>>>>>>>> Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would

>>>> get

>>>>>>> fixed

>>>>>>>> (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it

>>> makes

>>>>> the

>>>>>>> native

>>>>>>>> very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is

>>>> that

>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

>>>>>>> materialistically,

>>>>>>>> but over the years they tend to lose things that were in

>>>> their

>>>>>>> lifeplan

>>>>>>>> but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The

>>>> latter

>>>>>>> would

>>>>>>>> reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

>>>> up

>>>>>>> losing a

>>>>>>>> lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

>>>>> loved

>>>>>>> ones.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

>>>>> characteristics

>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>> that planet do not get expressed naturally and that

>>> sometimes

>>>>>>> offers

>>>>>>>> the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may

>>>> not

>>>>>>> always

>>>>>>>> need a mantra or gemstone etc.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal

>>>> your

>>>>>>> data, I

>>>>>>>> could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are

>>>>> really

>>>>>>>> looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want

>>> to

>>>> do

>>>>>> so

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> someone will pick up the thread.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a

>>> fixed

>>>>>> box!

>>>>>>> In

>>>>>>>> the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad

>>>>> roles

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not

>>>> closed

>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> window of our mind!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> RR

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> , "padhyemilind2002"

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Hello

>>>>>>>>> In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun,

>>>> wherever

>>>>> it

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since

>>>> Sun

>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity

>>>> other

>>>>>>> planets

>>>>>>>>> have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at

>>>> 29.53

>>>>>>> degrees

>>>>>>>>> in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd

>>> position,

>>>>> and

>>>>>>> hence

>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>> get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

>>>>>> positions.

>>>>>>> Any

>>>>>>>>> ideas?

>>>>>>>>> Thanks

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

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Dear Ranjan ji

 

I did not mean that, this must be commenced after consensus. I wanted to say that, once put into practice, with the time, all serious participants will draw consensus on filter tags.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

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>

> jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

> Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:41:29 -0000

>

> A FORUM SUGGESTION// WAS Re: Rahu in Lagna [X admin.]

>

> I generally tend in such situations to go ahead and implement as in

> start utilizing the proposal and not wait for some general consensus!

> Lord knows the club jyotish still has not been able to reach

> consensus on things such as ayanamsha, houses, mean or true position

> of nodes, dignity signs for lunar nodes, mangal dosh, sade sati,

> where does the list end ...!

>

> RR

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Ranjan ji,

>>

>> Sometimes, i feel - forum must also permit to create sub

> forums for various subjects..and this flag, can also save lots of

> time for the forum participants. like, I use web based mailing (to

> avoid bulk mails / spams, virus attacks; and to keep my professional

> mails seperated from the other areas of interests) - it becomes handy

> to preserve the threads for future references and delete the mails of

> non interest (e.g. chart reading requests etc) from the header itself

> (yes, MS Outlook can also be used for this).

>>

>> Once we start implementing this, there will be consensus drawn in

> due course - on its operating model.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> The only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> jyotish_vani

>>> Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:48:24 -0000

>>>

>>> A FORUM SUGGESTION// WAS Re: Rahu in Lagna [X

> admin.]

>>>

>>> Thanks Prafulla. The only caution I would like to sound is that

>>> individuals would have different tolerances to the number of

> labels ;-

>>> ) and that could create problems and frustrations for some. The

> other

>>> option can be a short keyword instead of a letter code [tech],

>>> [reading], [admin], [promo], [gen], [writing] or ]literature],

> [stock

>>> market], [quiz], [news item], etc.

>>>

>>> I would generally avoid names of individuals in headers. If one

> wants

>>> to write to the person alone, use private email.

>>>

>>> I find that the new interface shows all the messages

> connected

>>> to a stem and branches regardless of if someone changed the

> header or

>>> not. This is a big step forward, because now people can change the

>>> subject heading to reflect the message content, rather than using

>>> Rahu in Lagna and talking about Bandung conference or players

>>> therein. This is not being stated critically or sarcastically but

> in

>>> a matter-of-fact manner.

>>>

>>> RR

>>>

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Ranjan ji

>>>>

>>>> Wonderful suggestion of list mail segregation. The more tags can

> be

>>> added like chart reading request (CR), research mail (RM) etc.

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> The only difference between men and boys is the price of their

> toys.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> jyotish_vani@

>>>>> Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:40:52 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> A FORUM SUGGESTION// WAS Re: Rahu in Lagna [X

>>> admin.]

>>>>>

>>>>> Dear Pratapji and others.

>>>>> Yes that is a wise decision and the thread has perhaps

>>> accomplished

>>>>> what it was initiated for.

>>>>>

>>>>> Since in a large forum like this, there are bound to be people

>>> with

>>>>> wide variations of tolerance and widely different styles of

>>>>> expression, there are bound to be digressions and frustrations

>>> from

>>>>> time to time. Being several times a named party who tends to

> talk

>>>>> about things and aspects of human experience other than

> technical

>>>>> jyotish, and a heavy duty practitioner of "Read only what one

>>> likes",

>>>>> I have often wondered why people get so irritated. It is so easy

>>> to

>>>>> skip the messages you don't like! Then someone pointed out that

>>> some

>>>>> of us receive ALL emails in their mailboxes (despite clear

> volume

>>>>> alerts in the home page) and have no choice over selective

>>>>> downloading. I can realize that even though they can still

> quickly

>>>>> skim and skip, but the downloading part is unalterable and it

>>> could

>>>>> tie their phone line if they are on a modem service and

>>> particularly

>>>>> in a region where phone service is subject to powers greater

> than

>>>>> Jyotish with the reliability of less than 1!

>>>>>

>>>>> Unfortunately, I cannot help them with a solution but to ease

> the

>>>>> pain, I have a proposal. How about if each serious poster and

>>>>> responder use a message content flag system? When we reply to a

>>>>> message, we can either insert a code (see below) to indicate the

>>>>> nature of response and to avoid the header getting too long,

>>> replace

>>>>> the earlier code that gets copied in the header:

>>>>> T: Jyotish technical

>>>>> R: Remedies technical

>>>>> RG: Remedies general

>>>>> P: Philosophical

>>>>> X: miscellaneous, literary or information

>>>>> If there are multiple content types, we can use the dominant

>>> theme or

>>>>> themes just to keep it simple, eg. TP would be technical and

>>>>> philosophical, TG could be technical and general, etc.

>>>>>

>>>>> See example in the header of this message.

>>>>>

>>>>> I know it is a bit tedious sounding at first but once we get

> into

>>> the

>>>>> discipline of doing this, it will become second nature. And web

>>>>> readers could perhaps benefit from this coding more.

>>> Unfortunately,

>>>>> the downloading woes cannot be solved. Postings without such

>>> codings

>>>>> would risk being ignored. THEN after this the discipline falls

> on

>>> the

>>>>> shoulder of the reader! If they go ahead and read out of

>>>>> uncontrollable curiosity and come out disappointed, well they

> had

>>> the

>>>>> warning!

>>>>>

>>>>> The only other way to control messages would be a rather strict

>>>>> moderation and most general forums do not like that because

>>> readers

>>>>> do not like that. It is a fine line as long as the purpose is

>>> clear.

>>>>>

>>>>> RR

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> , Pratap Kaneria

>>>>> <pkaneria@> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> RRji,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Thank you for all the time you have devoted on this thread.

>>> Yes I

>>>>> have heard of Shri Karveji in Bombay and I am going to look him

>>> up if

>>>>> God ever give me permission to visit India in near future (I

>>> haven't

>>>>> been to India since 1985 for one or other reasons). I will

> advise

>>> the

>>>>> forum if I find any significant information regarding wartime

> etc.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I will stop right here because this thread has gone on for

> long

>>>>> and other readers might be getting irritated.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> With Regards,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Pratap

>>>>>>

>>>>>> crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

>>>>>> Pratapji,

>>>>>> DST (Wartime) was applied in these three provinces (Bengal,

> Assam

>>>>> and

>>>>>> Bihar) but at different dates than the rest of the country

>>>>> according

>>>>>> to the source (details in earlier email):

>>>>>> Bengal for instance had WT from 1941 october to mid may 1942

> and

>>>>>> again from sept 1942 to oct 47. Most of the country observed WT

>>>>> from

>>>>>> 1 september 1942 to 15 october 1945.

>>>>>> Even standard time in India came in bits and pieces, starting

> in

>>>>> 1907

>>>>>> with Calcutta adopting ST the last (1st oct 1941). To make

>>> matters

>>>>>> even more hair-raising for jyotishis the ST meridian initially

>>> was

>>>>>> 82E30, then became 97E30 and finally in 1947 the current

> meridian

>>>>> on

>>>>>> 82E30 was adopted. Smaller towns had their own variations. So

>>> even

>>>>>> when accurate times are known one should watch out for these

> and

>>>>>> similar considerations particularly when using software that

> does

>>>>> not

>>>>>> use some of the standard atlases (such as ACS -- though even

>>> there

>>>>> in

>>>>>> the odd place there can be errors). Your best bet might be to

>>> find

>>>>> a

>>>>>> person who lived in those times where you were born and was

>>>>>> knowledgeable about the time standards used back then (ST, LMT

>>>>> etc).

>>>>>> Watch time alone would not help because it could be set to

>>> whatever

>>>>>> was in vogue and what was in vogue we do not know.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I can relate to your feeling of uncertainty and frustration.

> Once

>>>>>> someone has become used to a horoscope for some time it is a

> big

>>>>>> mindset switch to then see it being replaced by a very

> different

>>>>> one,

>>>>>> even if it is significant vargas that have changed. I have

> heard

>>>>> from

>>>>>> someone that in Bombay or Poona there is a yogi Karveji who has

>>>>> been

>>>>>> known to reliably generate birthtimes by seeing a person or

> even

>>> by

>>>>>> talking to him on telephone. His children also have this gift.

> I

>>>>>> think Mr. KN Rao has also written about this family. You might

>>> wish

>>>>>> to enquire into this if you absolutely must have your

> horoscope.

>>>>> Like

>>>>>> they say, Jahan Chah wahan rah!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If you do find more information about the time standards used

> in

>>>>>> Gujrat or specific place etc, please let us know.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Best wishes,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Rohiniranjan

>>>>>> , Pratap Kaneria

>>>>>>

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> RRji,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I was born in a small town and my mother remembers my

> birthtime

>>>>>> as 10pm. Now was it adjusted time due to war and not, I don't

>>> know

>>>>>> but intend to find out. This morning I jokingly told my wife

>>> that I

>>>>>> am going to find a birthtime which will predict moon for me and

>>>>> then

>>>>>> I will settle on it. Actually in your email you quoted a source

>>>>> that

>>>>>> said that the war time was followed in India except Bengal,

>>> Orissa

>>>>>> etc. But could it be other way around? Japan had joined Hitler

> in

>>>>> the

>>>>>> war and was progressing toward India via Burma. Therefore it

>>> seems

>>>>>> logical to me that the war time probably was imposed in the

>>> eastern

>>>>>> states of India and not in western states.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You may be quite right about birth time rectification methods.

>>>>>> Interpretation of dasa's is also very subjective and not

>>>>> definitive.

>>>>>> Actually as I see, if I can ascertain my navamsa or dasamsa

> lagna

>>>>>> that should be good enough because most practising astrologers

>>>>> hardly

>>>>>> ever go beyond navamsa/dasamsa. I think Shri Ashutoshji

> selected

>>>>>> Aquarius lagna for my navamsa because that will put my exalted

>>> moon

>>>>>> in fourth house of navamsa. No dasa periods are going to

>>> perfectly

>>>>>> align with the events of one's life.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Anyway, at present I am doing this to advance my knowledge of

>>>>>> astrology and may be to be able to predict a happy dream event

> or

>>>>>> some of my friends. I never want to hear about coming

> problems. I

>>>>>> just want to hear about pending good events. May be that is how

>>>>> most

>>>>>> people are. Life is not worth living if there is no dream.

> Dream

>>>>> may

>>>>>> or may not come true but sure helps you deal with current

>>> struggles

>>>>>> which are always going on no matter what. At different age,

> just

>>>>> the

>>>>>> focus changes.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Anyway thanks for your attention!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> With Regards,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Pratap

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> crystal pages wrote:

>>>>>>> Pratap ji,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You mentioned that you have doubts about your birthtime and

>>>>> wartime

>>>>>>> etc. The latter should be easier to figure out and probably

> more

>>>>>>> substantial (1h difference). What was the source of your

>>>>> birthtime?

>>>>>>> Was it something you were told by one of your parents or was

> it

>>>>>>> written down in a family diary or document such as birthchart

>>>>>>> prepared around birth?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Fact of the matter is that methods of rectification, though

> many

>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> used and claimed by many to be fail-proof are generally not

> so.

>>>>>>> Horoscopic traits and even event analysis again are not

>>>>> absolutely

>>>>>>> perfect because astrological deductions are not absolute or

>>> based

>>>>>> on

>>>>>>> a perfect correlation between planetary configurations and

>>>>>>> traits/events. In fact there have been studies done where

>>>>>> individuals

>>>>>>> were given a variety of readings, some based on their charts,

>>>>>> others

>>>>>>> based on other charts and the acceptance of both groups did

> not

>>>>>> turn

>>>>>>> out to be significantly different. People saw themselves in

>>>>>> readings

>>>>>>> which were based on their chart as well as the ones that were

>>>>>> random.

>>>>>>> Most people are far more complex and varied than any reading

>>> they

>>>>>> ar

>>>>>>> given based on traits and tendencies, so there is always

>>>>> something

>>>>>>> that shows up that fits. In fact this is the reason why people

>>>>> even

>>>>>>> fit with their sunsign readings which are based on a different

>>>>>>> zodiac. I think there is a name for this phenomenon -- Barnum

>>>>>> effect,

>>>>>>> if I recall correctly.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If you are really serious about it you should research the

>>> source

>>>>>> of

>>>>>>> birthtime and ascertain what is the story there.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Just a thought,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> RR

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> , Pratap Kaneria

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> There was no issue of trust with my father. I have always

>>>>>> believed

>>>>>>> in 'live and let live' policy and I just could not stand his

>>>>>>> dictatorial attitude and that why never had much communication

>>>>> with

>>>>>>> him.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> What I said about education and work is honest. Let me give

>>>>>>> couple of points of description of myself as I see them. I am

>>>>> lazy

>>>>>>> when it comes anything physical. I love to sleep, stay up

> late,

>>>>> get

>>>>>>> up late on my schedule and take afternoon naps. Always looking

>>>>> for

>>>>>>> short cuts. But I love solving problems that require use of

>>>>> brains.

>>>>>>> For example I collected data on horse racing for about 20 yrs

>>>>>> trying

>>>>>>> to figure out a system to make a killing. I must have spent

> may

>>>>> be

>>>>>>> 10,000 hrs doing that. Then I gave it up completely and

>>> suddenly.

>>>>>>> When I am not writing or reading my emails, I am either

> reading

>>>>>> books

>>>>>>> on astrology or hypnotism or something like that or I am

>>> figuring

>>>>>>> out 'Sudoku' puzzles of evil category (hardest). I am quite

>>>>>> extemist

>>>>>>> in the sense that either I like something very much or I don't

>>>>> like

>>>>>>> it at all. There is no middle ground. If I do something I will

>>> do

>>>>>> it

>>>>>>> intensively and with singular focus. I absolutely do not like

>>>>>>> confrontation. Therefore most of the time instead

>>>>>>>> of arguing even when I am right, I will just agree to avoid

>>>>>>> confrontation. That does not mean I have really agreed. My

>>>>> opinions

>>>>>>> hardly ever change. I am obstinate that way. I am very

>>> adaptable,

>>>>>> can

>>>>>>> put up with things that I don't like for long time if I need

> to.

>>>>> I

>>>>>> am

>>>>>>> self-reliant, adaptable, independent and very confident. I was

>>>>> very

>>>>>>> ambitious when I started working but not anymore. I have

>>>>> knowledge

>>>>>>> of many subjects but always superficial. Oh, one other thing I

>>> am

>>>>>> not

>>>>>>> a good student in the sense that I always question anything

>>>>> taught

>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> me. May be that is why I haven't learned anything in depth.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Why am I telling you all this? May be because it might get

> you

>>>>>>> interested in looking at my chart and making a prediction that

>>>>> will

>>>>>>> come true in near future.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Yes I have doubts about my birthtime and wartime corrections.

>>>>> And

>>>>>>> that is why I was inquiring about the application of

> divisional

>>>>>>> charts the other day. I am not entirely convinced about

>>> astrology

>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> all the rules written in so many books because many are quite

>>>>>>> contradictory. Yet I want to believe that there must be a few

>>>>>> people

>>>>>>> who have mastered this science enough to make a definitive

>>>>>>> prediction. With so many rules, like Pradeep said, any past

>>> event

>>>>>> can

>>>>>>> be explained by one or the other rule that applies, because

>>> there

>>>>>> are

>>>>>>> thousands of rules to choose from.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> One thing I have concluded is that a person who does not

>>>>> believe

>>>>>>> in astrology or has no interest in astrology, is a person

> happy

>>>>> in

>>>>>>> all aspects of life.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Pratap

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> crystal pages wrote:

>>>>>>>> I was going with venus since it has been named as a karaka

> for

>>>>>>> mother

>>>>>>>> in certain contexts.

>>>>>>>> So there was a less than optimum trust with one of the

> parents!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Regarding -- teachers I am glad that you had no problem. Was

>>>>>> there

>>>>>>>> something with the type of education that you found yourself

> in

>>>>>> or

>>>>>>>> the educational system, the entire experience that could

>>>>> connect

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>> the theme of suspicion, excessive caution, mistrust?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Please do not think of me as judgmental but there does seem

> to

>>>>> be

>>>>>>> an

>>>>>>>> undercurrent of very strong vein of disbelief and suspicion

> and

>>>>>>> lack

>>>>>>>> of trust, if you are being perfectly honest here!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You Sir do not even trust your own birthdata, the very source

>>>>> of

>>>>>>> your

>>>>>>>> astrological being! This is not meaningless! Obviously you

> are

>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>> all that laid-back and lazy and easy-going as you tried to

>>>>>> portray

>>>>>>>> yourself or perhaps view yourself as ;-)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I looked up Doris Chase Doane's Time Changes in the World

>>>>>> (predates

>>>>>>>> my computers and software and it states:

>>>>>>>> DST (same as WT) observed 1942-sep-01 to 1945-oct-15 except:

>>>>>>>> Bengal province (specific dates given)

>>>>>>>> Assam province (sp dates)

>>>>>>>> Bihar province (sp dates)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Gujrat is not mentioned!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> This is not definitive but seems like you would have to do

> some

>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>> research and find out what was really being followed in

> Dohraji

>>>>>> at

>>>>>>>> the time of your birth!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Suspicion - even manageable paranoia - disbelief is not all

>>>>> that

>>>>>>> bad,

>>>>>>>> trust me! The only reason we are still not in some cave,

> eating

>>>>>>> roots

>>>>>>>> and insects is because we did not trust status quo! We

> decided

>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> crawl out of the caves!!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Please seek enlightenment and while you are at it, searching

>>>>> your

>>>>>>>> astrological roots, enlighten and educate us!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I say that with all sincerity!!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> RR

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> , Pratap Kaneria

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Respected RRji,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Honest answer is no. I never got along with my father but my

>>>>>>>> relationship with my mother has been very good throughtout.

> As

>>>>>> far

>>>>>>> as

>>>>>>>> my teachers, excellent relationship and as a matter of fact I

>>>>> was

>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>> favorite student wherever I studied, to the extent that

> during

>>>>> my

>>>>>>>> master's program (US), my professor came to me during the

> final

>>>>>>> exam

>>>>>>>> of 'Mass Transfer' and told me to leave because he thought I

>>>>> knew

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> subject so well that I need not give the exam. It was one of

>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> greatest honor a student can get. Similarly, wherever I

> worked,

>>>>>> my

>>>>>>>> managers were actually my protectors and promoters. To

>>>>> summarize,

>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>> must have tremendous blessing of Guru because I always got

>>>>> along

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>> elders, teachers, bosses and still do.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I really do not understand my horoscope. All the malefic

>>>>>> planets

>>>>>>>> seem to act very much in my favor. I can not figure out

> really

>>>>>> who

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> malefic for me. By the way I have been diligently trying to

>>>>>> rectify

>>>>>>>> my birthtime and it looks like 22:00:40.934 seem to work.

> This

>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>> time does not change my rasi chart but navamsa lagna changes

> to

>>>>>>>> Gemini making my lagna vargottam. Also it makes Rahu and Ketu

>>>>>>>> vargottam.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> With Regards,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Pratap

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> crystal pages wrote:

>>>>>>>>> How intersting! I see that someone else has responded to the

>>>>>> rahu

>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>> 1 or 2 issue so I will save bandwidth!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Just curious was there element of mistrust or suspicion

>>>>> between

>>>>>>> you

>>>>>>>>> and your parents, perhaps mother or an auntie at some point

>>>>> in

>>>>>>>> life?

>>>>>>>>> Also with teachers or educational system perhaps?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Thanks

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> RR

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> , Pratap Kaneria

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Respected RRji,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I am reading this thread with interest because I have Rahu

>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>> Mithuna Lagna together with Shani.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Your statement 'Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly

>>>>>>> always -

>>>>>>>>> - it makes the native very cautious and even suspicious.'

>>>>> does

>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>> apply to me. So I must be the exception. I am very easy

>>>>> going,

>>>>>>> lazy

>>>>>>>>> and always trusting. Actually I like to trust almost

> everyone

>>>>>>> until

>>>>>>>>> proven guilty. It is true though that because of my trusting

>>>>>>>> nature,

>>>>>>>>> I have lost a fortune via investments in projects of friends

>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>> family and stock market. Again this may be an example of how

>>>>>>>> looking

>>>>>>>>> at just one planet is not adequate to come to a conclusion.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> My birth data is

>>>>>>>>>> DOB: Nov 18, 1944, TOB: 20:38 (IST, -5.5), POB: 70E27,

>>>>> 21N44

>>>>>>>>> (Dhoraji, India)

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> With Regards,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Pratap

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> vijayamalur wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> Dear sir

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I was reading for the past few days abt Rahu being in

>>>>> lagna.

>>>>>>>> Infact

>>>>>>>>> i also have rahu in lagna (ascendant) Mithuna lagna.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Can you analyse my horoscope pls

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> vijaya, 20th march 1964, krishnagiri, 12-30 pm (female)

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I am perturbed with the predictions u made for rahu in

>>>>> lagna

>>>>>> as

>>>>>>>> The

>>>>>>>>> latter would

>>>>>>>>>> reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

>>>>>> up

>>>>>>>>> losing a

>>>>>>>>>> lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

>>>>>>> loved

>>>>>>>>> ones. As it is i dont want to pass on any kind of

> negativitiy

>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>> mine

>>>>>>>>> to my family sir

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I am sure you must have the remedy also to over come or

>>>>>> reduce

>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> ill effect of it

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> eagerly anticipating ur favourable reply

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> best regards

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> vijaya

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> -

>>>>>>>>>> crystal pages

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:30 PM

>>>>>>>>>> Re: Rahu in Lagna

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Dear Milind,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Please describe what problems this rahu of yours is

>>>>> creating?

>>>>>>>>>> Please describe for my benefit what your belief is

>>>>> regarding

>>>>>>>>> mantras?

>>>>>>>>>> Were you planning to just start chanting it and rahu would

>>>>>> get

>>>>>>>>> fixed

>>>>>>>>>> (assuming that it is broken in the first place?).

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Rahu in lagna does give one trait, nearly always -- it

>>>>> makes

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> native

>>>>>>>>>> very cautious and even suspicious. The positive of this is

>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> individuals do not get duped easily, at least not

>>>>>>>>> materialistically,

>>>>>>>>>> but over the years they tend to lose things that were in

>>>>>> their

>>>>>>>>> lifeplan

>>>>>>>>>> but they were too busy looking over their shoulders. The

>>>>>> latter

>>>>>>>>> would

>>>>>>>>>> reprepresent the worst-case in a sense as the nativity ends

>>>>>> up

>>>>>>>>> losing a

>>>>>>>>>> lot and sometimes it spills into the lives of relatives and

>>>>>>> loved

>>>>>>>>> ones.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The hint at times is the dispositor of rahu. The

>>>>>>> characteristics

>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> that planet do not get expressed naturally and that

>>>>> sometimes

>>>>>>>>> offers

>>>>>>>>>> the clue regarding what may need to be attended to and may

>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>> always

>>>>>>>>>> need a mantra or gemstone etc.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Since you asked a very generic question and did not reveal

>>>>>> your

>>>>>>>>> data, I

>>>>>>>>>> could not proceed. If you post your full data, if you are

>>>>>>> really

>>>>>>>>>> looking for an answer or some insight, you may still want

>>>>> to

>>>>>> do

>>>>>>>> so

>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>> someone will pick up the thread.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> It is unwise to pigeon-hole planets, any planets into a

>>>>> fixed

>>>>>>>> box!

>>>>>>>>> In

>>>>>>>>>> the mayavini drama of human experience, good guys play bad

>>>>>>> roles

>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>> bad guys sometimes surprise us -- as long as we have not

>>>>>> closed

>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> window of our mind!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> RR

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> , "padhyemilind2002"

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Hello

>>>>>>>>>>> In my chart, Rahu is in Lagna, which envelopes Sun,

>>>>>> wherever

>>>>>>> it

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> present. Can this be remedied by any mantras etc.? Since

>>>>>> Sun

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> enveloped, or overshadowed, what happens to the enmity

>>>>>> other

>>>>>>>>> planets

>>>>>>>>>>> have with Sun? Does it have any effect? Also Mercury at

>>>>>> 29.53

>>>>>>>>> degrees

>>>>>>>>>>> in 2nd, some say that it hangs between 2nd & 3rd

>>>>> position,

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>> hence

>>>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>>>> get neither good/bad effects Mercury has in both these

>>>>>>>> positions.

>>>>>>>>> Any

>>>>>>>>>>> ideas?

>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

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