Italy Vs Ukraine (Analysis of the 2nd Match)

[Guest guest]

Namaste All

 

A few days ago Sri Manjunath had proposed to conduct astrological analysis

of the upcoming quaterfinals. He had proposed to analyze the same using

Chaitra Shukla Pratipada. I was trying that system too but was unable to

decide upon the houses to choose for Football.

 

After some searching on the internet, I came upon a method that made some

more sense than using the Nation's chart. I am proposing a hypothesis based

on searched methods to analyze a football match. Please remember this is a

hypothesis and here for testing if it works.

 

Hypothesis:

1. Make a chart taking the time, place and date of the match

2. The lagna will represent the home team and 7th house will represent the

opposite team.

3. If the match is between two outside teams, then, the lagna shall

represent the favorite team and 7th house the opposite team.

4. In any match- there are three possibilities: 1. First Teams Wins 2.

Second Team Wins 3. Draw or Abandonment

5. Consider the 10th house from the lagna for the home team or favorite team

and consider the 4th house of the chart (10th from 7th) for the opposing

team.

6. Check the strength of the 10th house, lord and its placement.

7. Check Yogi, Avayogi, Duplicate Yogi and its association with the 10th

house, or lord.

8. Check for yogas, etc.

 

First Look Analysis of Italy Vs Ukraine Match

June 30th, 2006

Time: 17:00 Hrs

Place: Berlin, Germany

Lagna represents Italy as they are the favourites (Here I have taken the

odds given in the Newspaper for choosing the favorite and it is also quite

clear that Italy is favorite to win this match)

7th house represents Ukraine as it is the opposite team

 

The lagna rises in the Avayogi nakshatra. The Avayogi occupies the 10th

house. The 10th lord for Italy is in the 8th, but with Yogi and Duplicate

Yogi. The 7th house (considered lagna for Ukraine) rises in the nakshatra of

Yogi. Jupiter gets connected to its own house (4th house which is 10th house

from 7th), as it is in the nakshatra of Rahu. Jupiter is retrograde which

brings in the only doubt I have about Ukraine's success. In my view, despite

all my football logic, I think there are more chances of Ukraine winning

this match.

 

If by some means Italy wins and I am wrong, they are likely to be disgraced

and Ukraine are likely to walk with their heads high.

 

Would really value your remarks, thoughts, ideas, and ......

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

[Guest guest]

I really hope I am wrong about this match as I like the Italian team

alongwith Argentinian, Brazilian and German Teams.

 

Bharat

 

On 6/30/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology > wrote:

>

> Namaste All

>

> A few days ago Sri Manjunath had proposed to conduct astrological analysis

> of the upcoming quaterfinals. He had proposed to analyze the same using

> Chaitra Shukla Pratipada. I was trying that system too but was unable to

> decide upon the houses to choose for Football.

>

> After some searching on the internet, I came upon a method that made some

> more sense than using the Nation's chart. I am proposing a hypothesis based

> on searched methods to analyze a football match. Please remember this is a

> hypothesis and here for testing if it works.

>

> Hypothesis:

> 1. Make a chart taking the time, place and date of the match

> 2. The lagna will represent the home team and 7th house will represent the

> opposite team.

> 3. If the match is between two outside teams, then, the lagna shall

> represent the favorite team and 7th house the opposite team.

> 4. In any match- there are three possibilities: 1. First Teams Wins 2.

> Second Team Wins 3. Draw or Abandonment

> 5. Consider the 10th house from the lagna for the home team or favorite

> team and consider the 4th house of the chart (10th from 7th) for the

> opposing team.

> 6. Check the strength of the 10th house, lord and its placement.

> 7. Check Yogi, Avayogi, Duplicate Yogi and its association with the 10th

> house, or lord.

> 8. Check for yogas, etc.

>

> First Look Analysis of Italy Vs Ukraine Match

> June 30th, 2006

> Time: 17:00 Hrs

> Place: Berlin, Germany

> Lagna represents Italy as they are the favourites (Here I have taken the

> odds given in the Newspaper for choosing the favorite and it is also quite

> clear that Italy is favorite to win this match)

> 7th house represents Ukraine as it is the opposite team

>

> The lagna rises in the Avayogi nakshatra. The Avayogi occupies the 10th

> house. The 10th lord for Italy is in the 8th, but with Yogi and Duplicate

> Yogi. The 7th house (considered lagna for Ukraine) rises in the nakshatra of

> Yogi. Jupiter gets connected to its own house (4th house which is 10th house

> from 7th), as it is in the nakshatra of Rahu. Jupiter is retrograde which

> brings in the only doubt I have about Ukraine's success. In my view, despite

> all my football logic, I think there are more chances of Ukraine winning

> this match.

>

> If by some means Italy wins and I am wrong, they are likely to be

> disgraced and Ukraine are likely to walk with their heads high.

>

> Would really value your remarks, thoughts, ideas, and ......

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hello Dear Bharat,

 

today on 17.oo Hrs., Berlin

we have the match Germany : Argentina

 

on 21.00 hrs Hamburg

is the match Italy : Ukraine

 

greetings

gef

 

-

Bharat Hindu Astrology

Friday, June 30, 2006 2:33 PM

Re: Italy Vs Ukraine (Analysis of the 2nd Match)

 

 

I really hope I am wrong about this match as I like the Italian team

alongwith Argentinian, Brazilian and German Teams.

 

Bharat

 

On 6/30/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology > wrote:

>

> Namaste All

>

> A few days ago Sri Manjunath had proposed to conduct astrological analysis

> of the upcoming quaterfinals. He had proposed to analyze the same using

> Chaitra Shukla Pratipada. I was trying that system too but was unable to

> decide upon the houses to choose for Football.

>

> After some searching on the internet, I came upon a method that made some

> more sense than using the Nation's chart. I am proposing a hypothesis based

> on searched methods to analyze a football match. Please remember this is a

> hypothesis and here for testing if it works.

>

> Hypothesis:

> 1. Make a chart taking the time, place and date of the match

> 2. The lagna will represent the home team and 7th house will represent the

> opposite team.

> 3. If the match is between two outside teams, then, the lagna shall

> represent the favorite team and 7th house the opposite team.

> 4. In any match- there are three possibilities: 1. First Teams Wins 2.

> Second Team Wins 3. Draw or Abandonment

> 5. Consider the 10th house from the lagna for the home team or favorite

> team and consider the 4th house of the chart (10th from 7th) for the

> opposing team.

> 6. Check the strength of the 10th house, lord and its placement.

> 7. Check Yogi, Avayogi, Duplicate Yogi and its association with the 10th

> house, or lord.

> 8. Check for yogas, etc.

>

> First Look Analysis of Italy Vs Ukraine Match

> June 30th, 2006

> Time: 17:00 Hrs

> Place: Berlin, Germany

> Lagna represents Italy as they are the favourites (Here I have taken the

> odds given in the Newspaper for choosing the favorite and it is also quite

> clear that Italy is favorite to win this match)

> 7th house represents Ukraine as it is the opposite team

>

> The lagna rises in the Avayogi nakshatra. The Avayogi occupies the 10th

> house. The 10th lord for Italy is in the 8th, but with Yogi and Duplicate

> Yogi. The 7th house (considered lagna for Ukraine) rises in the nakshatra of

> Yogi. Jupiter gets connected to its own house (4th house which is 10th house

> from 7th), as it is in the nakshatra of Rahu. Jupiter is retrograde which

> brings in the only doubt I have about Ukraine's success. In my view, despite

> all my football logic, I think there are more chances of Ukraine winning

> this match.

>

> If by some means Italy wins and I am wrong, they are likely to be

> disgraced and Ukraine are likely to walk with their heads high.

>

> Would really value your remarks, thoughts, ideas, and ......

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bharat

Italy Vs Ukraine game starts at 21:00 (Hamburg, Germany)

Schedule in available at the FIFA World cup website

Next matches

1. Eng Vs Portugal (1July 17:00, Glesenkirchen)

2. Bra Vs France (1July, 21:000, Frankfurt)

 

According to Chaitra Sukla Pratipada charts (mainly third house

sports): Portugal and Brazil could potentilly win.

MS

 

 

>

> First Look Analysis of Italy Vs Ukraine Match

> June 30th, 2006

> Time: 17:00 Hrs

> Place: Berlin, Germany

>>

[Guest guest]

This analysis is for 21.00 hrs. Sorry for the typo. I had pasted the

text from the 1st email. The lagna for 2nd match is Dhanu and I have

taken the same.

 

Sorry for causing confusion.

 

Thanks and regards

Bhar

 

On 6/30/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology > wrote:

> Namaste All

>

> A few days ago Sri Manjunath had proposed to conduct astrological analysis

> of the upcoming quaterfinals. He had proposed to analyze the same using

> Chaitra Shukla Pratipada. I was trying that system too but was unable to

> decide upon the houses to choose for Football.

>

> After some searching on the internet, I came upon a method that made some

> more sense than using the Nation's chart. I am proposing a hypothesis based

> on searched methods to analyze a football match. Please remember this is a

> hypothesis and here for testing if it works.

>

> Hypothesis:

> 1. Make a chart taking the time, place and date of the match

> 2. The lagna will represent the home team and 7th house will represent the

> opposite team.

> 3. If the match is between two outside teams, then, the lagna shall

> represent the favorite team and 7th house the opposite team.

> 4. In any match- there are three possibilities: 1. First Teams Wins 2.

> Second Team Wins 3. Draw or Abandonment

> 5. Consider the 10th house from the lagna for the home team or favorite team

> and consider the 4th house of the chart (10th from 7th) for the opposing

> team.

> 6. Check the strength of the 10th house, lord and its placement.

> 7. Check Yogi, Avayogi, Duplicate Yogi and its association with the 10th

> house, or lord.

> 8. Check for yogas, etc.

>

> First Look Analysis of Italy Vs Ukraine Match

> June 30th, 2006

> Time: 17:00 Hrs

> Place: Berlin, Germany

> Lagna represents Italy as they are the favourites (Here I have taken the

> odds given in the Newspaper for choosing the favorite and it is also quite

> clear that Italy is favorite to win this match)

> 7th house represents Ukraine as it is the opposite team

>

> The lagna rises in the Avayogi nakshatra. The Avayogi occupies the 10th

> house. The 10th lord for Italy is in the 8th, but with Yogi and Duplicate

> Yogi. The 7th house (considered lagna for Ukraine) rises in the nakshatra of

> Yogi. Jupiter gets connected to its own house (4th house which is 10th house

> from 7th), as it is in the nakshatra of Rahu. Jupiter is retrograde which

> brings in the only doubt I have about Ukraine's success. In my view, despite

> all my football logic, I think there are more chances of Ukraine winning

> this match.

>

> If by some means Italy wins and I am wrong, they are likely to be disgraced

> and Ukraine are likely to walk with their heads high.

>

> Would really value your remarks, thoughts, ideas, and ......

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

[Guest guest]

REPOSTING AFTER REMOVING TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS

 

Namaste All

 

A few days ago Sri Manjunath had proposed to conduct astrological analysis

of the upcoming quaterfinals. He had proposed to analyze the same using

Chaitra Shukla Pratipada. I was trying that system too but was unable to

decide upon the houses to choose for Football.

 

After some searching on the internet, I came upon a method that made some

more sense than using the Nation's chart. I am proposing a hypothesis based

on searched methods to analyze a football match. Please remember this is a

hypothesis and here for testing if it works.

 

Hypothesis:

1. Make a chart taking the time, place and date of the match

2. The lagna will represent the home team and 7th house will represent the

opposite team.

3. If the match is between two outside teams, then, the lagna shall

represent the favorite team and 7th house the opposite team.

4. In any match- there are three possibilities: 1. First Teams Wins 2.

Second Team Wins 3. Draw or Abandonment

5. Consider the 10th house from the lagna for the home team or favorite team

and consider the 4th house of the chart (10th from 7th) for the opposing

team.

6. Check the strength of the 10th house, lord and its placement.

7. Check Yogi, Avayogi, Duplicate Yogi and its association with the 10th

house, or lord.

8. Check for yogas, etc.

 

First Look Analysis of Italy Vs Ukraine Match

June 30th, 2006

Time: 21:00 Hrs

Place: Hamburg, Germany

Lagna represents Italy as they are the favourites (Here I have taken the

odds given in the Newspaper for choosing the favorite and it is also quite

clear that Italy is favorite to win this match)

7th house represents Ukraine as it is the opposite team

 

The lagna rises in the Avayogi nakshatra. The Avayogi occupies the 10th

house. The 10th lord for Italy is in the 8th, but with Yogi and Duplicate

Yogi. The 7th house (considered lagna for Ukraine) rises in the nakshatra of

Yogi. Jupiter gets connected to its own house (4th house which is 10th house

from 7th), as it is in the nakshatra of Rahu. Jupiter is retrograde which

brings in the only doubt I have about Ukraine's success. In my view, despite

all my football logic, I think there are more chances of Ukraine winning

this match.

 

If by some means Italy wins and I am wrong, they are likely to be disgraced

and Ukraine are likely to walk with their heads high.

 

Would really value your remarks, thoughts, ideas, and ......

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

[Guest guest]

Namaskaar All

 

It is great to know that both analysis went wrong. Can others help in:

 

1. Is the hypothesis correct? Should we be modifying it?

2. Are there major problems with the analysis, what should we be looking at

instead?

3. Any other ideas!

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

On 6/30/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology > wrote:

>

> REPOSTING AFTER REMOVING TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS

>

>

> Namaste All

>

> A few days ago Sri Manjunath had proposed to conduct astrological analysis

> of the upcoming quaterfinals. He had proposed to analyze the same using

> Chaitra Shukla Pratipada. I was trying that system too but was unable to

> decide upon the houses to choose for Football.

>

> After some searching on the internet, I came upon a method that made some

> more sense than using the Nation's chart. I am proposing a hypothesis based

> on searched methods to analyze a football match. Please remember this is a

> hypothesis and here for testing if it works.

>

> Hypothesis:

> 1. Make a chart taking the time, place and date of the match

> 2. The lagna will represent the home team and 7th house will represent the

> opposite team.

> 3. If the match is between two outside teams, then, the lagna shall

> represent the favorite team and 7th house the opposite team.

> 4. In any match- there are three possibilities: 1. First Teams Wins 2.

> Second Team Wins 3. Draw or Abandonment

> 5. Consider the 10th house from the lagna for the home team or favorite

> team and consider the 4th house of the chart (10th from 7th) for the

> opposing team.

> 6. Check the strength of the 10th house, lord and its placement.

> 7. Check Yogi, Avayogi, Duplicate Yogi and its association with the 10th

> house, or lord.

> 8. Check for yogas, etc.

>

> First Look Analysis of Italy Vs Ukraine Match

> June 30th, 2006

> Time: 21:00 Hrs

> Place: Hamburg, Germany

>

> Lagna represents Italy as they are the favourites (Here I have taken the

> odds given in the Newspaper for choosing the favorite and it is also quite

> clear that Italy is favorite to win this match)

> 7th house represents Ukraine as it is the opposite team

>

> The lagna rises in the Avayogi nakshatra. The Avayogi occupies the 10th

> house. The 10th lord for Italy is in the 8th, but with Yogi and Duplicate

> Yogi. The 7th house (considered lagna for Ukraine) rises in the nakshatra of

> Yogi. Jupiter gets connected to its own house (4th house which is 10th house

> from 7th), as it is in the nakshatra of Rahu. Jupiter is retrograde which

> brings in the only doubt I have about Ukraine's success. In my view, despite

> all my football logic, I think there are more chances of Ukraine winning

> this match.

>

> If by some means Italy wins and I am wrong, they are likely to be

> disgraced and Ukraine are likely to walk with their heads high.

>

> Would really value your remarks, thoughts, ideas, and ......

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear List,

 

Has anyone tried looking at the odds offered by the

betting houses. They use statistical information and

variety of factors like player form, etc to arrive at

the odds. They should know better as for them it is

REAL money they can make or lose. For many here it is

just idle speculation. How many astrologers on this

list will bet serouos money on their predictions. The

answer is in the question itself :-). If astrologers

could really predict outcomes of sporting events with

any degree of certainty they will be rolling in some

serious dough. Yes, some can alwys say that jyotish is

a super science and it is a spiritual pursuit and not

to be used for money making etc. as a cop out for a

failed prediction.

 

Ofcourse deriving new theories for ancient texts can

be a facinating pursuit.

 

My two cents

 

Satish

 

--- Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology >

wrote:

 

> REPOSTING AFTER REMOVING TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS

>

> Namaste All

>

> A few days ago Sri Manjunath had proposed to conduct

> astrological analysis

> of the upcoming quaterfinals. He had proposed to

> analyze the same using

> Chaitra Shukla Pratipada. I was trying that system

> too but was unable to

> decide upon the houses to choose for Football.

>

> After some searching on the internet, I came upon a

> method that made some

> more sense than using the Nation's chart. I am

> proposing a hypothesis based

> on searched methods to analyze a football match.

> Please remember this is a

> hypothesis and here for testing if it works.

>

> Hypothesis:

> 1. Make a chart taking the time, place and date of

> the match

> 2. The lagna will represent the home team and 7th

> house will represent the

> opposite team.

> 3. If the match is between two outside teams, then,

> the lagna shall

> represent the favorite team and 7th house the

> opposite team.

> 4. In any match- there are three possibilities: 1.

> First Teams Wins 2.

> Second Team Wins 3. Draw or Abandonment

> 5. Consider the 10th house from the lagna for the

> home team or favorite team

> and consider the 4th house of the chart (10th from

> 7th) for the opposing

> team.

> 6. Check the strength of the 10th house, lord and

> its placement.

> 7. Check Yogi, Avayogi, Duplicate Yogi and its

> association with the 10th

> house, or lord.

> 8. Check for yogas, etc.

>

> First Look Analysis of Italy Vs Ukraine Match

> June 30th, 2006

> Time: 21:00 Hrs

> Place: Hamburg, Germany

> Lagna represents Italy as they are the favourites

> (Here I have taken the

> odds given in the Newspaper for choosing the

> favorite and it is also quite

> clear that Italy is favorite to win this match)

> 7th house represents Ukraine as it is the opposite

> team

>

> The lagna rises in the Avayogi nakshatra. The

> Avayogi occupies the 10th

> house. The 10th lord for Italy is in the 8th, but

> with Yogi and Duplicate

> Yogi. The 7th house (considered lagna for Ukraine)

> rises in the nakshatra of

> Yogi. Jupiter gets connected to its own house (4th

> house which is 10th house

> from 7th), as it is in the nakshatra of Rahu.

> Jupiter is retrograde which

> brings in the only doubt I have about Ukraine's

> success. In my view, despite

> all my football logic, I think there are more

> chances of Ukraine winning

> this match.

>

> If by some means Italy wins and I am wrong, they are

> likely to be disgraced

> and Ukraine are likely to walk with their heads

> high.

>

> Would really value your remarks, thoughts, ideas,

> and ......

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Namaskaar Sri Satish

 

One may have the knowledge, yet not use it. There are different people some

of whom are happy only with knowledge. They do not use it for filling their

bank accounts. Your statement is a generalization and cannot be used on

every

person. You must have heard of the terms - Pure Science and Applied Science.

 

 

Talking about confidence in betting one's own money - We are far from it.

This is just a start. Maybe it will die its own death, maybe something can

be learnt. Maybe we'll know that this is one activity we better stay away

from. Maybe we will find a workable method and yet not make it a means to

earn money.

 

What are attempting is not to create a new jyotish but to tackle a

particular activity in light of jyotish. We have had no experience with such

kind of

activity. So, like in other sciences, we create a hypothesis and then,

test it against the given

know-how.

 

I wish we had more experts commenting on what we should be doing and what to

consider in our analysis.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

On 7/3/06, SPK <aquaris_rising > wrote:

>

> Dear List,

>

> Has anyone tried looking at the odds offered by the

> betting houses. They use statistical information and

> variety of factors like player form, etc to arrive at

> the odds. They should know better as for them it is

> REAL money they can make or lose. For many here it is

> just idle speculation. How many astrologers on this

> list will bet serouos money on their predictions. The

> answer is in the question itself :-). If astrologers

> could really predict outcomes of sporting events with

> any degree of certainty they will be rolling in some

> serious dough. Yes, some can alwys say that jyotish is

> a super science and it is a spiritual pursuit and not

> to be used for money making etc. as a cop out for a

> failed prediction.

>

> Ofcourse deriving new theories for ancient texts can

> be a facinating pursuit.

>

> My two cents

>

> Satish

>

> --- Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology <hinduastrology%40gmail.com>

> >

>

> wrote:

>

> > REPOSTING AFTER REMOVING TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS

> >

> > Namaste All

> >

> > A few days ago Sri Manjunath had proposed to conduct

> > astrological analysis

> > of the upcoming quaterfinals. He had proposed to

> > analyze the same using

> > Chaitra Shukla Pratipada. I was trying that system

> > too but was unable to

> > decide upon the houses to choose for Football.

> >

> > After some searching on the internet, I came upon a

> > method that made some

> > more sense than using the Nation's chart. I am

> > proposing a hypothesis based

> > on searched methods to analyze a football match.

> > Please remember this is a

> > hypothesis and here for testing if it works.

> >

> > Hypothesis:

> > 1. Make a chart taking the time, place and date of

> > the match

> > 2. The lagna will represent the home team and 7th

> > house will represent the

> > opposite team.

> > 3. If the match is between two outside teams, then,

> > the lagna shall

> > represent the favorite team and 7th house the

> > opposite team.

> > 4. In any match- there are three possibilities: 1.

> > First Teams Wins 2.

> > Second Team Wins 3. Draw or Abandonment

> > 5. Consider the 10th house from the lagna for the

> > home team or favorite team

> > and consider the 4th house of the chart (10th from

> > 7th) for the opposing

> > team.

> > 6. Check the strength of the 10th house, lord and

> > its placement.

> > 7. Check Yogi, Avayogi, Duplicate Yogi and its

> > association with the 10th

> > house, or lord.

> > 8. Check for yogas, etc.

> >

> > First Look Analysis of Italy Vs Ukraine Match

> > June 30th, 2006

> > Time: 21:00 Hrs

> > Place: Hamburg, Germany

> > Lagna represents Italy as they are the favourites

> > (Here I have taken the

> > odds given in the Newspaper for choosing the

> > favorite and it is also quite

> > clear that Italy is favorite to win this match)

> > 7th house represents Ukraine as it is the opposite

> > team

> >

> > The lagna rises in the Avayogi nakshatra. The

> > Avayogi occupies the 10th

> > house. The 10th lord for Italy is in the 8th, but

> > with Yogi and Duplicate

> > Yogi. The 7th house (considered lagna for Ukraine)

> > rises in the nakshatra of

> > Yogi. Jupiter gets connected to its own house (4th

> > house which is 10th house

> > from 7th), as it is in the nakshatra of Rahu.

> > Jupiter is retrograde which

> > brings in the only doubt I have about Ukraine's

> > success. In my view, despite

> > all my football logic, I think there are more

> > chances of Ukraine winning

> > this match.

> >

> > If by some means Italy wins and I am wrong, they are

> > likely to be disgraced

> > and Ukraine are likely to walk with their heads

> > high.

> >

> > Would really value your remarks, thoughts, ideas,

> > and ......

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bharatji,

 

If I may slide in my two cents: Knowledge without application is

simply information! Like potential, possible energy!!

 

Astrology will always be plagued with questions about the rationality

of one over the other parameter or launch pad in jyotish. But one

must start somewhere and you have very effectively likened it to the

scientific rational process widely utilized in fields other than

astrology as well.

 

All epochs can be questioned and even the widely accepted epoch that

we all astrologers are conditioned to and accept without batting our

eyelids, the moment of birth has been questioned. Life does not

really begin, nor does individuality, at the moment of birth! It

probably does earlier -- since the process of gestation sees more

changes, challenges and adventure than most individuals will after

they are born! But pragmatically speaking, the moment of birth is

more convenient and easily definable than the moment of conception or

other landmarks that might be more natural in some cases than the

moment of delivery, and in that framework spanning over months, even

the picky details about first cry, show or cutting of the cord etc in

most cases are minor variants.

 

Experimentation must be encouraged or else as the story goes, the

diamond of knowledge remains buried in the ground. It may as well be

a lump of coal!

 

RR

 

 

 

, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

<hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Satish

>

> One may have the knowledge, yet not use it. There are different

people some

> of whom are happy only with knowledge. They do not use it for

filling their

> bank accounts. Your statement is a generalization and cannot be

used on

> every

> person. You must have heard of the terms - Pure Science and Applied

Science.

>

>

> Talking about confidence in betting one's own money - We are far

from it.

> This is just a start. Maybe it will die its own death, maybe

something can

> be learnt. Maybe we'll know that this is one activity we better

stay away

> from. Maybe we will find a workable method and yet not make it a

means to

> earn money.

>

> What are attempting is not to create a new jyotish but to tackle a

> particular activity in light of jyotish. We have had no experience

with such

> kind of

> activity. So, like in other sciences, we create a hypothesis and

then,

> test it against the given

> know-how.

>

> I wish we had more experts commenting on what we should be doing

and what to

> consider in our analysis.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

> On 7/3/06, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

> >

> > Dear List,

> >

> > Has anyone tried looking at the odds offered by the

> > betting houses. They use statistical information and

> > variety of factors like player form, etc to arrive at

> > the odds. They should know better as for them it is

> > REAL money they can make or lose. For many here it is

> > just idle speculation. How many astrologers on this

> > list will bet serouos money on their predictions. The

> > answer is in the question itself :-). If astrologers

> > could really predict outcomes of sporting events with

> > any degree of certainty they will be rolling in some

> > serious dough. Yes, some can alwys say that jyotish is

> > a super science and it is a spiritual pursuit and not

> > to be used for money making etc. as a cop out for a

> > failed prediction.

> >

> > Ofcourse deriving new theories for ancient texts can

> > be a facinating pursuit.

> >

> > My two cents

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > --- Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology<hinduastrology%

40gmail.com>

> > >

> >

> > wrote:

> >

> > > REPOSTING AFTER REMOVING TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS

> > >

> > > Namaste All

> > >

> > > A few days ago Sri Manjunath had proposed to conduct

> > > astrological analysis

> > > of the upcoming quaterfinals. He had proposed to

> > > analyze the same using

> > > Chaitra Shukla Pratipada. I was trying that system

> > > too but was unable to

> > > decide upon the houses to choose for Football.

> > >

> > > After some searching on the internet, I came upon a

> > > method that made some

> > > more sense than using the Nation's chart. I am

> > > proposing a hypothesis based

> > > on searched methods to analyze a football match.

> > > Please remember this is a

> > > hypothesis and here for testing if it works.

> > >

> > > Hypothesis:

> > > 1. Make a chart taking the time, place and date of

> > > the match

> > > 2. The lagna will represent the home team and 7th

> > > house will represent the

> > > opposite team.

> > > 3. If the match is between two outside teams, then,

> > > the lagna shall

> > > represent the favorite team and 7th house the

> > > opposite team.

> > > 4. In any match- there are three possibilities: 1.

> > > First Teams Wins 2.

> > > Second Team Wins 3. Draw or Abandonment

> > > 5. Consider the 10th house from the lagna for the

> > > home team or favorite team

> > > and consider the 4th house of the chart (10th from

> > > 7th) for the opposing

> > > team.

> > > 6. Check the strength of the 10th house, lord and

> > > its placement.

> > > 7. Check Yogi, Avayogi, Duplicate Yogi and its

> > > association with the 10th

> > > house, or lord.

> > > 8. Check for yogas, etc.

> > >

> > > First Look Analysis of Italy Vs Ukraine Match

> > > June 30th, 2006

> > > Time: 21:00 Hrs

> > > Place: Hamburg, Germany

> > > Lagna represents Italy as they are the favourites

> > > (Here I have taken the

> > > odds given in the Newspaper for choosing the

> > > favorite and it is also quite

> > > clear that Italy is favorite to win this match)

> > > 7th house represents Ukraine as it is the opposite

> > > team

> > >

> > > The lagna rises in the Avayogi nakshatra. The

> > > Avayogi occupies the 10th

> > > house. The 10th lord for Italy is in the 8th, but

> > > with Yogi and Duplicate

> > > Yogi. The 7th house (considered lagna for Ukraine)

> > > rises in the nakshatra of

> > > Yogi. Jupiter gets connected to its own house (4th

> > > house which is 10th house

> > > from 7th), as it is in the nakshatra of Rahu.

> > > Jupiter is retrograde which

> > > brings in the only doubt I have about Ukraine's

> > > success. In my view, despite

> > > all my football logic, I think there are more

> > > chances of Ukraine winning

> > > this match.

> > >

> > > If by some means Italy wins and I am wrong, they are

> > > likely to be disgraced

> > > and Ukraine are likely to walk with their heads

> > > high.

> > >

> > > Would really value your remarks, thoughts, ideas,

> > > and ......

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Satish

 

Many feel that earning from gambling is not an honorable way of making a living.For everyone who wins there must be at least an equal amount lost and usually more to cover the taxes and gambling house expenses. Therefore the more gifted take from the less gifted creating a karmic debt. The evils of gambling are well spelled out in the Mahabaharat.

 

Nicholas

 

 

-

SPK

Monday, July 03, 2006 10:23 PM

Re: Re: Italy Vs Ukraine (Analysis of the 2nd Match)

 

 

Dear List,

 

Has anyone tried looking at the odds offered by the

betting houses. They use statistical information and

variety of factors like player form, etc to arrive at

the odds. They should know better as for them it is

REAL money they can make or lose. For many here it is

just idle speculation. How many astrologers on this

list will bet serouos money on their predictions. The

answer is in the question itself :-). If astrologers

could really predict outcomes of sporting events with

any degree of certainty they will be rolling in some

serious dough. Yes, some can alwys say that jyotish is

a super science and it is a spiritual pursuit and not

to be used for money making etc. as a cop out for a

failed prediction.

 

Ofcourse deriving new theories for ancient texts can

be a facinating pursuit.

 

My two cents

 

Satish

 

--- Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology >

wrote:

 

> REPOSTING AFTER REMOVING TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS

>

> Namaste All

>

> A few days ago Sri Manjunath had proposed to conduct

> astrological analysis

> of the upcoming quaterfinals. He had proposed to

> analyze the same using

> Chaitra Shukla Pratipada. I was trying that system

> too but was unable to

> decide upon the houses to choose for Football.

>

> After some searching on the internet, I came upon a

> method that made some

> more sense than using the Nation's chart. I am

> proposing a hypothesis based

> on searched methods to analyze a football match.

> Please remember this is a

> hypothesis and here for testing if it works.

>

> Hypothesis:

> 1. Make a chart taking the time, place and date of

> the match

> 2. The lagna will represent the home team and 7th

> house will represent the

> opposite team.

> 3. If the match is between two outside teams, then,

> the lagna shall

> represent the favorite team and 7th house the

> opposite team.

> 4. In any match- there are three possibilities: 1.

> First Teams Wins 2.

> Second Team Wins 3. Draw or Abandonment

> 5. Consider the 10th house from the lagna for the

> home team or favorite team

> and consider the 4th house of the chart (10th from

> 7th) for the opposing

> team.

> 6. Check the strength of the 10th house, lord and

> its placement.

> 7. Check Yogi, Avayogi, Duplicate Yogi and its

> association with the 10th

> house, or lord.

> 8. Check for yogas, etc.

>

> First Look Analysis of Italy Vs Ukraine Match

> June 30th, 2006

> Time: 21:00 Hrs

> Place: Hamburg, Germany

> Lagna represents Italy as they are the favourites

> (Here I have taken the

> odds given in the Newspaper for choosing the

> favorite and it is also quite

> clear that Italy is favorite to win this match)

> 7th house represents Ukraine as it is the opposite

> team

>

> The lagna rises in the Avayogi nakshatra. The

> Avayogi occupies the 10th

> house. The 10th lord for Italy is in the 8th, but

> with Yogi and Duplicate

> Yogi. The 7th house (considered lagna for Ukraine)

> rises in the nakshatra of

> Yogi. Jupiter gets connected to its own house (4th

> house which is 10th house

> from 7th), as it is in the nakshatra of Rahu.

> Jupiter is retrograde which

> brings in the only doubt I have about Ukraine's

> success. In my view, despite

> all my football logic, I think there are more

> chances of Ukraine winning

> this match.

>

> If by some means Italy wins and I am wrong, they are

> likely to be disgraced

> and Ukraine are likely to walk with their heads

> high.

>

> Would really value your remarks, thoughts, ideas,

> and ......

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

, "Nicholas" <jyotish108 wrote:

>

> Dear Satish

>

> Many feel that earning from gambling is not an honorable way of

making a living.For everyone who wins there must be at least an equal

amount lost and usually more to cover the taxes and gambling house

expenses. Therefore the more gifted take from the less gifted creating

a karmic debt. The evils of gambling are well spelled out in the

Mahabaharat.

>

> Nicholas

 

 

Nick,

 

With due respect, gambling as in a roulette or crap can't be likened

to betting on proper sport. The latter involves statistics (history),

temperament, skill of the contestants and other factors.

 

I don't ever remember to betting on any sport myself, but have respect

for those that have what it takes to stake their money based on what

I'm sure is a reasoned judgment on the intent of their bets.

 

I could be wrong but I think the Mahabharata warns against the evils

of betting on the purely lucky like the throw of dice.

 

+++