Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Dear List, Does anyone have the birth time of American film and television producer Aaron Spelling who passed away this last Friday? Birth data I have is without time: 22 April 1923, Dallas, TX Best wishes, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Dear Patrice, The birth time is 12:30 pm. I found it on vedic-astrlogy site. Regards, Krishna --- Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote: > Dear List, > > Does anyone have the birth time of American film and > television producer > Aaron Spelling who passed away this last Friday? > > Birth data I have is without time: 22 April 1923, > Dallas, TX > > Best wishes, > Patrice > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Hi Dear Krishna, Many thanks for finding and sending this. I looked pretty extensively online but never found him at an astrology site - good work on your part! I'm really pleased to see that he was a Cancer ascendant as I was looking at the chart from there. It's always so exciting for me to get this with my efforts and learning and only increases all the time I like to spend on studies and Jyotish! One reason I had chose this was of course the Sun Mahadasa he was currently in (Sun ruling marakaraka 2H). And this exalted Sun in his 10H of career and the connection with this to his 2H of finance. ("He was born as 5th child to poor Jewish immigrants" is info on web site.) Also when searching for his birth time, I came across a lot of information on him and describing a time in his youth where he was so harassed, disturbed, and affected by the prejudice of others towards his Jewish background and his being the only Jewish student in his school, that he was unable to walk for a year. 'One's walk' is given as 1H in my significator book, and in this case Cancer lagna, Moon in 12H. Also as this was an emotional disturbance causing this, this is doubly so with Moon, so makes sense again for this. Chart for transits at time of death places Cancer in 8H. And now thanks to your finding birth time, this shows TMars (a significator for strokes) debilitated and just over 1 degree of his ascendant. Another reason for my considering Cancer lagna is that he owned the largest single family home in the state of California. This is fascinating with RJupiter in natal 4H Libra and owns Pisces in 4H in Navamsa. Sun and Venus are exalted in natal chart, Sun approaching greatest degree of exaltation and in 10H of career, and therefore besides his great career, also aspecting this Venus moolatrikona 4H. In 1983 he embarked on the construction of this home. 1983 gives Ve/Ve at the beginning of the year, and Ve/Su at the end of the year. Also was known for smoking a pipe and note Rahu in 2H. As Venus is karaka for movies/entertainment (as well as Sun and 5H) this is fascinating in his chart that Venus is exalted and in 9H and in parivartana with Jupiter. Venus is final depositor in his Rasi chart other than this exchange with Jupiter. Also interesting is that Venus is also final depositor in the transit chart for the time of his death. At death, he was in Venus bhukti. Mars is yogakaraka in his chart and note Mars in 11H, deposited by this exalted Venus and giving aspect onto own 5H. As said 5H another karaka for movies/entertainment. In Navamsa Mars is in 5H Aries (Aries 10th of career with exalted Sun in Rasi) and now conjoined with Jupiter and Moon. This relationship between Venus and Jupiter in his chart is an intriguing one to study considering Jupiter is in great enemies house in this chart. Intriguing as far as furthering studies and showing the specifics of this chart with this particular Venus exalted in 9H and looking wholistically at a chart, and Jupiter is of course Jupiter, however 6H is moolatrikona house for Jupiter in this chart.. Also in Chandra Lagna, RSaturn is in 4H. Greatly different chart with Chandra Lagna and the Gemini rising this gives. Perhaps more to the story of his home and emotional life, as well perhaps fluctuating throughout his life?? Libra showing social awareness, social activities so this an important point perhaps. It's also interesting considering the kinds of movies and television shows he is famous for. Taking what planets are in Moon's stars, we have Mars and Saturn. Moon itself is in this 4H Jupiter's star, again showing this importance and focus of home and family, which of course this Cancer lagna shows as well. Again Krishna, thank you, and for your quick response in sending this birth time. Kindest regards, Patrice _____ Dear Patrice, The birth time is 12:30 pm. I found it on vedic-astrlogy site. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Dear Patrice, That was an interesting analysis. I would like to add a few points: //One reason I had chose this was of course the Sun Mahadasa he was currently in (Sun ruling marakaraka 2H)// In addition, Sun is the dispositor of 8th Lord Rahu. //'One's walk' is given as 1H in my significator book, and in this case Cancer lagna,Moon in 12H. Also as this was an emotional disturbance causing this, this is doubly so with Moon, so makes sense again for this.// Yes, 12H indicates feet. Another way of looking at it is studying Pisces (natural 12H). Venus is in Pisces and incidentally Venus is the Badhakesh for Cancer Lagna. And, the problem manifested during the dasha of dispositor Jupiter! //...this shows TMars (a significator for strokes) debilitated and just over 1 degree of his ascendant.// Yes. Please note that Mars is sitting in Badhakasthana and aspects the 8th lord and hence causes death inflicting stroke. The timing is during SU/VE period. Sun is the dispostor of 8th lord Rahu! And, Venus (also Badhaka) is the dispositor of Mars! Regards, Krishna --- Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote: > Hi Dear Krishna, > > > > Many thanks for finding and sending this. I looked > pretty extensively online > but never found him at an astrology site - good work > on your part! > > > > I'm really pleased to see that he was a Cancer > ascendant as I was looking at > the chart from there. It's always so exciting for me > to get this with my > efforts and learning and only increases all the time > I like to spend on > studies and Jyotish! > > > > One reason I had chose this was of course the Sun > Mahadasa he was currently > in (Sun ruling marakaraka 2H). And this exalted Sun > in his 10H of career and > the connection with this to his 2H of finance. ("He > was born as 5th child to > poor Jewish immigrants" is info on web site.) Also > when searching for his > birth time, I came across a lot of information on > him and describing a time > in his youth where he was so harassed, disturbed, > and affected by the > prejudice of others towards his Jewish background > and his being the only > Jewish student in his school, that he was unable to > walk for a year. 'One's > walk' is given as 1H in my significator book, and in > this case Cancer lagna, > Moon in 12H. Also as this was an emotional > disturbance causing this, this is > doubly so with Moon, so makes sense again for this. > > > > Chart for transits at time of death places Cancer in > 8H. And now thanks to > your finding birth time, this shows TMars (a > significator for strokes) > debilitated and just over 1 degree of his ascendant. > > > > Another reason for my considering Cancer lagna is > that he owned the largest > single family home in the state of California. This > is fascinating with > RJupiter in natal 4H Libra and owns Pisces in 4H in > Navamsa. Sun and Venus > are exalted in natal chart, Sun approaching greatest > degree of exaltation > and in 10H of career, and therefore besides his > great career, also aspecting > this Venus moolatrikona 4H. In 1983 he embarked on > the construction of this > home. 1983 gives Ve/Ve at the beginning of the year, > and Ve/Su at the end of > the year. > > > > Also was known for smoking a pipe and note Rahu in > 2H. As Venus is karaka > for movies/entertainment (as well as Sun and 5H) > this is fascinating in his > chart that Venus is exalted and in 9H and in > parivartana with Jupiter. Venus > is final depositor in his Rasi chart other than this > exchange with Jupiter. > Also interesting is that Venus is also final > depositor in the transit chart > for the time of his death. At death, he was in Venus > bhukti. > > > > Mars is yogakaraka in his chart and note Mars in > 11H, deposited by this > exalted Venus and giving aspect onto own 5H. As said > 5H another karaka for > movies/entertainment. In Navamsa Mars is in 5H Aries > (Aries 10th of career > with exalted Sun in Rasi) and now conjoined with > Jupiter and Moon. > > > > This relationship between Venus and Jupiter in his > chart is an intriguing > one to study considering Jupiter is in great enemies > house in this chart. > Intriguing as far as furthering studies and showing > the specifics of this > chart with this particular Venus exalted in 9H and > looking wholistically at > a chart, and Jupiter is of course Jupiter, however > 6H is moolatrikona house > for Jupiter in this chart.. Also in Chandra Lagna, > RSaturn is in 4H. Greatly > different chart with Chandra Lagna and the Gemini > rising this gives. Perhaps > more to the story of his home and emotional life, as > well perhaps > fluctuating throughout his life?? Libra showing > social awareness, social > activities so this an important point perhaps. It's > also interesting > considering the kinds of movies and television shows > he is famous for. > > > > Taking what planets are in Moon's stars, we have > Mars and Saturn. Moon > itself is in this 4H Jupiter's star, again showing > this importance and focus > of home and family, which of course this Cancer > lagna shows as well. > > > > Again Krishna, thank you, and for your quick > response in sending this birth > time. > > > > Kindest regards, > > Patrice > > > > _____ > > Dear Patrice, > > The birth time is 12:30 pm. I found it on > vedic-astrlogy site. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Dear Krishna, Can you tell me the source for this T.O.B.? I know you said it was from another group but, if possible, I would like to know if the actual source is authentic.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya> Monday, June 26, 2006 12:59 PM Re: Aaron Spelling Dear Patrice, The birth time is 12:30 pm. I found it on vedic-astrlogy site. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Dear Wendy, On vedic astrology site they have kept two zipped files containing birth data for hundreds of people. I picked this information from that file. I don't know what is their source of information. Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Dear Krishna, > > Can you tell me the source for this T.O.B.? > > I know you said it was from another group but, if > possible, I would > like to know if the actual source is authentic.. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" > <krishna_1998 > > <jyotish-vidya> > Monday, June 26, 2006 12:59 PM > Re: Aaron Spelling > > > Dear Patrice, > > The birth time is 12:30 pm. I found it on > vedic-astrlogy site. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Dear Wendy, I quickly checked one more site giving the same birth time: http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/ Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Dear Krishna, > > Can you tell me the source for this T.O.B.? > > I know you said it was from another group but, if > possible, I would > like to know if the actual source is authentic.. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" > <krishna_1998 > > <jyotish-vidya> > Monday, June 26, 2006 12:59 PM > Re: Aaron Spelling > > > Dear Patrice, > > The birth time is 12:30 pm. I found it on > vedic-astrlogy site. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Dear Krishna, Patrice and All, After the many controversies regarding birth times of celebrities I'm hesitant to even take a look unless the source can be confirmed. Although the time is given on the site you presented Krishna, there's no indication of the source...whether verified or not. However, assuming that the data is correct, I might comment (briefly) on the 2nd house. As with most houses we tend to focus on certain significations more than others...for 2nd house we normally consider family and finances primarily. However this house also governs imagination and because of this is associated with poets and the like. I don't think we could class Spelling as a poet but he certainly did have a prolific imagination. This can be seen with Rahu in 2nd in nakshatra of Sun - Sun occupying 10th house of career/status along with 3rd lord Mercury. Not only was he a successful producer/director but a writer as well, writing the screenplay for some of his own productions. As a playwright he twice received the prestigious Harvard award for the best original one-act play. Rahu in 2nd, as co-owner of 8th, certainly verifies the fact that he was diagnosed with oral cancer in 2001. I don't have the actual date but from Oct 8 2001 he was running bhukti of Rahu in Sun's mahadasa. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:46 PM Re: Aaron Spelling Dear Wendy, I quickly checked one more site giving the same birth time: http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/ Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Hi Krishna, These are excellent points, many thanks. Another interesting thing about this, concerning this problem where he was unable to walk for a year, is taking his nakshatra of Venus, Purva Bhadrapada. As you said, this took place in Mahadasa Jupiter who deposits Venus, and also this was Venus Bhukti. Too considering the parivartana, and also that Venus is final depositor for chart, other than this Jupiter. Also interesting that he suffered this due to the intense harassment and taunting of his religion, and Venus in 9H, and as you said Venus Badhakesh. Also as Venus is in 9H and Jupiter is depositor and parivartana, two benefics, the end result of this, Spelling credits this period of time as the beginning of his creativity and he decided to become a writer then. (Also this Moon in Gemini, significator of writing (as well as walking) - and note RSaturn in 3H and in Moon's star). He was also credited for shows that were popular with the youth and younger generation, note Gemini conjunct Sun in 10H. Back to Venus nakshatra: Purva Bhadrapada interestingly has as a symbol a funeral cot, or sleeping bed. The deity is Aja-Ekapada, which translates into, "the one footed goat". Alternative meaning is, "the one footed unborn one". Ketu in 8H also shares this Jupiter star with Venus, and interesting his parents being Jewish immigrants with then of course Rahu in 2H. PL gives for Purva Bhadrapada, "Lords are Shani and Guru. It causes burns, punishment by fire, causes pain, burns things to ashes, uses words that burn, conduct that blisters, to use harsh words, evil disposition, cruelty, greediness, restlessness, feeling of despair and unsatisfied ambition, to burn by slow degrees, sudden excess of anger, etc. Anthropomorphically this is the side of the body of Kalapurush." I was surprised to see "one's walk" indicated by 1H, which really was helpful in this, possibly particularly so with this being Cancer/Moon, and once thinking more on this 1H for walk does make sense. "Walking" is itself indicated by Mercury, 3H, and Gemini. Best wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:43 AM jyotish-vidya RE: Aaron Spelling Dear Patrice, That was an interesting analysis. I would like to add a few points: //One reason I had chose this was of course the Sun Mahadasa he was currently in (Sun ruling marakaraka 2H)// In addition, Sun is the dispositor of 8th Lord Rahu. //'One's walk' is given as 1H in my significator book, and in this case Cancer lagna,Moon in 12H. Also as this was an emotional disturbance causing this, this is doubly so with Moon, so makes sense again for this.// Yes, 12H indicates feet. Another way of looking at it is studying Pisces (natural 12H). Venus is in Pisces and incidentally Venus is the Badhakesh for Cancer Lagna. And, the problem manifested during the dasha of dispositor Jupiter! //...this shows TMars (a significator for strokes) debilitated and just over 1 degree of his ascendant.// Yes. Please note that Mars is sitting in Badhakasthana and aspects the 8th lord and hence causes death inflicting stroke. The timing is during SU/VE period. Sun is the dispostor of 8th lord Rahu! And, Venus (also Badhaka) is the dispositor of Mars! Regards, Krishna --- Patrice Curry <patricecurry@ <patricecurry%40adelphia.net> adelphia.net> wrote: > Hi Dear Krishna, > > > > Many thanks for finding and sending this. I looked > pretty extensively online > but never found him at an astrology site - good work > on your part! > > > > I'm really pleased to see that he was a Cancer > ascendant as I was looking at > the chart from there. It's always so exciting for me > to get this with my > efforts and learning and only increases all the time > I like to spend on > studies and Jyotish! > > > > One reason I had chose this was of course the Sun > Mahadasa he was currently > in (Sun ruling marakaraka 2H). And this exalted Sun > in his 10H of career and > the connection with this to his 2H of finance. ("He > was born as 5th child to > poor Jewish immigrants" is info on web site.) Also > when searching for his > birth time, I came across a lot of information on > him and describing a time > in his youth where he was so harassed, disturbed, > and affected by the > prejudice of others towards his Jewish background > and his being the only > Jewish student in his school, that he was unable to > walk for a year. 'One's > walk' is given as 1H in my significator book, and in > this case Cancer lagna, > Moon in 12H. Also as this was an emotional > disturbance causing this, this is > doubly so with Moon, so makes sense again for this. > > > > Chart for transits at time of death places Cancer in > 8H. And now thanks to > your finding birth time, this shows TMars (a > significator for strokes) > debilitated and just over 1 degree of his ascendant. > > > > Another reason for my considering Cancer lagna is > that he owned the largest > single family home in the state of California. This > is fascinating with > RJupiter in natal 4H Libra and owns Pisces in 4H in > Navamsa. Sun and Venus > are exalted in natal chart, Sun approaching greatest > degree of exaltation > and in 10H of career, and therefore besides his > great career, also aspecting > this Venus moolatrikona 4H. In 1983 he embarked on > the construction of this > home. 1983 gives Ve/Ve at the beginning of the year, > and Ve/Su at the end of > the year. > > > > Also was known for smoking a pipe and note Rahu in > 2H. As Venus is karaka > for movies/entertainment (as well as Sun and 5H) > this is fascinating in his > chart that Venus is exalted and in 9H and in > parivartana with Jupiter. Venus > is final depositor in his Rasi chart other than this > exchange with Jupiter. > Also interesting is that Venus is also final > depositor in the transit chart > for the time of his death. At death, he was in Venus > bhukti. > > > > Mars is yogakaraka in his chart and note Mars in > 11H, deposited by this > exalted Venus and giving aspect onto own 5H. As said > 5H another karaka for > movies/entertainment. In Navamsa Mars is in 5H Aries > (Aries 10th of career > with exalted Sun in Rasi) and now conjoined with > Jupiter and Moon. > > > > This relationship between Venus and Jupiter in his > chart is an intriguing > one to study considering Jupiter is in great enemies > house in this chart. > Intriguing as far as furthering studies and showing > the specifics of this > chart with this particular Venus exalted in 9H and > looking wholistically at > a chart, and Jupiter is of course Jupiter, however > 6H is moolatrikona house > for Jupiter in this chart.. Also in Chandra Lagna, > RSaturn is in 4H. Greatly > different chart with Chandra Lagna and the Gemini > rising this gives. Perhaps > more to the story of his home and emotional life, as > well perhaps > fluctuating throughout his life?? Libra showing > social awareness, social > activities so this an important point perhaps. It's > also interesting > considering the kinds of movies and television shows > he is famous for. > > > > Taking what planets are in Moon's stars, we have > Mars and Saturn. Moon > itself is in this 4H Jupiter's star, again showing > this importance and focus > of home and family, which of course this Cancer > lagna shows as well. > > > > Again Krishna, thank you, and for your quick > response in sending this birth > time. > > > > Kindest regards, > > Patrice > > > > _____ > > Dear Patrice, > > The birth time is 12:30 pm. I found it on > vedic-astrlogy site. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > http://mail. <> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Dear Patrice, //Also when searching for his birth time, I came across a lot of information on him and describing a time in his youth where he was so harassed, disturbed, and affected by the prejudice of others towards his Jewish background and his being the only Jewish student in his school, that he was unable to walk for a year.// Can you narrow the timeframe - at least to the year that he was unable to walk. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:39 AM RE: Aaron Spelling Hi Dear Krishna, Many thanks for finding and sending this. I looked pretty extensively online but never found him at an astrology site - good work on your part! I'm really pleased to see that he was a Cancer ascendant as I was looking at the chart from there. It's always so exciting for me to get this with my efforts and learning and only increases all the time I like to spend on studies and Jyotish! One reason I had chose this was of course the Sun Mahadasa he was currently in (Sun ruling marakaraka 2H). And this exalted Sun in his 10H of career and the connection with this to his 2H of finance. ("He was born as 5th child to poor Jewish immigrants" is info on web site.) Also when searching for his birth time, I came across a lot of information on him and describing a time in his youth where he was so harassed, disturbed, and affected by the prejudice of others towards his Jewish background and his being the only Jewish student in his school, that he was unable to walk for a year. 'One's walk' is given as 1H in my significator book, and in this case Cancer lagna, Moon in 12H. Also as this was an emotional disturbance causing this, this is doubly so with Moon, so makes sense again for this. Chart for transits at time of death places Cancer in 8H. And now thanks to your finding birth time, this shows TMars (a significator for strokes) debilitated and just over 1 degree of his ascendant. Another reason for my considering Cancer lagna is that he owned the largest single family home in the state of California. This is fascinating with RJupiter in natal 4H Libra and owns Pisces in 4H in Navamsa. Sun and Venus are exalted in natal chart, Sun approaching greatest degree of exaltation and in 10H of career, and therefore besides his great career, also aspecting this Venus moolatrikona 4H. In 1983 he embarked on the construction of this home. 1983 gives Ve/Ve at the beginning of the year, and Ve/Su at the end of the year. Also was known for smoking a pipe and note Rahu in 2H. As Venus is karaka for movies/entertainment (as well as Sun and 5H) this is fascinating in his chart that Venus is exalted and in 9H and in parivartana with Jupiter. Venus is final depositor in his Rasi chart other than this exchange with Jupiter. Also interesting is that Venus is also final depositor in the transit chart for the time of his death. At death, he was in Venus bhukti. Mars is yogakaraka in his chart and note Mars in 11H, deposited by this exalted Venus and giving aspect onto own 5H. As said 5H another karaka for movies/entertainment. In Navamsa Mars is in 5H Aries (Aries 10th of career with exalted Sun in Rasi) and now conjoined with Jupiter and Moon. This relationship between Venus and Jupiter in his chart is an intriguing one to study considering Jupiter is in great enemies house in this chart. Intriguing as far as furthering studies and showing the specifics of this chart with this particular Venus exalted in 9H and looking wholistically at a chart, and Jupiter is of course Jupiter, however 6H is moolatrikona house for Jupiter in this chart.. Also in Chandra Lagna, RSaturn is in 4H. Greatly different chart with Chandra Lagna and the Gemini rising this gives. Perhaps more to the story of his home and emotional life, as well perhaps fluctuating throughout his life?? Libra showing social awareness, social activities so this an important point perhaps. It's also interesting considering the kinds of movies and television shows he is famous for. Taking what planets are in Moon's stars, we have Mars and Saturn. Moon itself is in this 4H Jupiter's star, again showing this importance and focus of home and family, which of course this Cancer lagna shows as well. Again Krishna, thank you, and for your quick response in sending this birth time. Kindest regards, Patrice _____ Dear Patrice, The birth time is 12:30 pm. I found it on vedic-astrlogy site. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Hi Dear Wendy, This happened in his 8th year. Kindest wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:50 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Aaron Spelling Dear Patrice, //Also when searching for his birth time, I came across a lot of information on him and describing a time in his youth where he was so harassed, disturbed, and affected by the prejudice of others towards his Jewish background and his being the only Jewish student in his school, that he was unable to walk for a year.// Can you narrow the timeframe - at least to the year that he was unable to walk. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya <http://JyotishVidya.com> .com ______________________________ - "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry@ <patricecurry%40adelphia.net> adelphia.net> <jyotish-vidya@ <jyotish-vidya%40> > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:39 AM RE: Aaron Spelling Hi Dear Krishna, Many thanks for finding and sending this. I looked pretty extensively online but never found him at an astrology site - good work on your part! I'm really pleased to see that he was a Cancer ascendant as I was looking at the chart from there. It's always so exciting for me to get this with my efforts and learning and only increases all the time I like to spend on studies and Jyotish! One reason I had chose this was of course the Sun Mahadasa he was currently in (Sun ruling marakaraka 2H). And this exalted Sun in his 10H of career and the connection with this to his 2H of finance. ("He was born as 5th child to poor Jewish immigrants" is info on web site.) Also when searching for his birth time, I came across a lot of information on him and describing a time in his youth where he was so harassed, disturbed, and affected by the prejudice of others towards his Jewish background and his being the only Jewish student in his school, that he was unable to walk for a year. 'One's walk' is given as 1H in my significator book, and in this case Cancer lagna, Moon in 12H. Also as this was an emotional disturbance causing this, this is doubly so with Moon, so makes sense again for this. Chart for transits at time of death places Cancer in 8H. And now thanks to your finding birth time, this shows TMars (a significator for strokes) debilitated and just over 1 degree of his ascendant. Another reason for my considering Cancer lagna is that he owned the largest single family home in the state of California. This is fascinating with RJupiter in natal 4H Libra and owns Pisces in 4H in Navamsa. Sun and Venus are exalted in natal chart, Sun approaching greatest degree of exaltation and in 10H of career, and therefore besides his great career, also aspecting this Venus moolatrikona 4H. In 1983 he embarked on the construction of this home. 1983 gives Ve/Ve at the beginning of the year, and Ve/Su at the end of the year. Also was known for smoking a pipe and note Rahu in 2H. As Venus is karaka for movies/entertainment (as well as Sun and 5H) this is fascinating in his chart that Venus is exalted and in 9H and in parivartana with Jupiter. Venus is final depositor in his Rasi chart other than this exchange with Jupiter. Also interesting is that Venus is also final depositor in the transit chart for the time of his death. At death, he was in Venus bhukti. Mars is yogakaraka in his chart and note Mars in 11H, deposited by this exalted Venus and giving aspect onto own 5H. As said 5H another karaka for movies/entertainment. In Navamsa Mars is in 5H Aries (Aries 10th of career with exalted Sun in Rasi) and now conjoined with Jupiter and Moon. This relationship between Venus and Jupiter in his chart is an intriguing one to study considering Jupiter is in great enemies house in this chart. Intriguing as far as furthering studies and showing the specifics of this chart with this particular Venus exalted in 9H and looking wholistically at a chart, and Jupiter is of course Jupiter, however 6H is moolatrikona house for Jupiter in this chart.. Also in Chandra Lagna, RSaturn is in 4H. Greatly different chart with Chandra Lagna and the Gemini rising this gives. Perhaps more to the story of his home and emotional life, as well perhaps fluctuating throughout his life?? Libra showing social awareness, social activities so this an important point perhaps. It's also interesting considering the kinds of movies and television shows he is famous for. Taking what planets are in Moon's stars, we have Mars and Saturn. Moon itself is in this 4H Jupiter's star, again showing this importance and focus of home and family, which of course this Cancer lagna shows as well. Again Krishna, thank you, and for your quick response in sending this birth time. Kindest regards, Patrice _____ Dear Patrice, The birth time is 12:30 pm. I found it on vedic-astrlogy site. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Hi, Patrice, Thanks for more details. //He was also credited for shows that were popular with the youth and younger generation, note Gemini conjunct Sun in 10H.// I didn't quite understand this. can you please elaborate. I am really facinated to see how one could approach a chart from different angles and yet reach similar conclusions. As I believe, there are multiple windows to look at the TRUTH. Regards, Krishna --- Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote: > Hi Krishna, > > > > These are excellent points, many thanks. > > > > Another interesting thing about this, concerning > this problem where he was > unable to walk for a year, is taking his nakshatra > of Venus, Purva > Bhadrapada. As you said, this took place in Mahadasa > Jupiter who deposits > Venus, and also this was Venus Bhukti. Too > considering the parivartana, and > also that Venus is final depositor for chart, other > than this Jupiter. Also > interesting that he suffered this due to the intense > harassment and taunting > of his religion, and Venus in 9H, and as you said > Venus Badhakesh. Also as > Venus is in 9H and Jupiter is depositor and > parivartana, two benefics, the > end result of this, Spelling credits this period of > time as the beginning of > his creativity and he decided to become a writer > then. (Also this Moon in > Gemini, significator of writing (as well as walking) > - and note RSaturn in > 3H and in Moon's star). > > > > He was also credited for shows that were popular > with the youth and younger > generation, note Gemini conjunct Sun in 10H. > > > > Back to Venus nakshatra: Purva Bhadrapada > interestingly has as a symbol a > funeral cot, or sleeping bed. The deity is > Aja-Ekapada, which translates > into, "the one footed goat". Alternative meaning is, > "the one footed unborn > one". Ketu in 8H also shares this Jupiter star with > Venus, and interesting > his parents being Jewish immigrants with then of > course Rahu in 2H. > > > > PL gives for Purva Bhadrapada, "Lords are Shani and > Guru. It causes burns, > punishment by fire, causes pain, burns things to > ashes, uses words that > burn, conduct that blisters, to use harsh words, > evil disposition, cruelty, > greediness, restlessness, feeling of despair and > unsatisfied ambition, to > burn by slow degrees, sudden excess of anger, etc. > Anthropomorphically this > is the side of the body of Kalapurush." > > > > I was surprised to see "one's walk" indicated by 1H, > which really was > helpful in this, possibly particularly so with this > being Cancer/Moon, and > once thinking more on this 1H for walk does make > sense. "Walking" is itself > indicated by Mercury, 3H, and Gemini. > > > > Best wishes, > > Patrice > > > > _____ > > jyotish-vidya > [jyotish-vidya] > On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:43 AM > jyotish-vidya > RE: Aaron Spelling > > > > Dear Patrice, > > That was an interesting analysis. I would like to > add > a few points: > > //One reason I had chose this was of course the Sun > Mahadasa he was currently in (Sun ruling marakaraka > 2H)// > > In addition, Sun is the dispositor of 8th Lord Rahu. > > //'One's walk' is given as 1H in my significator > book, > and in this case Cancer lagna,Moon in 12H. Also as > this was an emotional disturbance causing this, this > is > doubly so with Moon, so makes sense again for > this.// > > Yes, 12H indicates feet. Another way of looking at > it > is studying Pisces (natural 12H). Venus is in Pisces > and incidentally Venus is the Badhakesh for Cancer > Lagna. And, the problem manifested during the dasha > of > dispositor Jupiter! > > //...this shows TMars (a significator for strokes) > debilitated and just over 1 degree of his > ascendant.// > > Yes. Please note that Mars is sitting in > Badhakasthana > and aspects the 8th lord and hence causes death > inflicting stroke. The timing is during SU/VE > period. > Sun is the dispostor of 8th lord Rahu! And, Venus > (also Badhaka) is the dispositor of Mars! > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Patrice Curry <patricecurry@ > <patricecurry%40adelphia.net> > adelphia.net> wrote: > > > Hi Dear Krishna, > > > > > > > > Many thanks for finding and sending this. I looked > > pretty extensively online > > but never found him at an astrology site - good > work > > on your part! > > > > > > > > I'm really pleased to see that he was a Cancer > > ascendant as I was looking at > > the chart from there. It's always so exciting for > me > > to get this with my > > efforts and learning and only increases all the > time > > I like to spend on > > studies and Jyotish! > > > > > > > > One reason I had chose this was of course the Sun > > Mahadasa he was currently > > in (Sun ruling marakaraka 2H). And this exalted > Sun > > in his 10H of career and > > the connection with this to his 2H of finance. > ("He > > was born as 5th child to > > poor Jewish immigrants" is info on web site.) Also > > when searching for his > > birth time, I came across a lot of information on > > him and describing a time > > in his youth where he was so harassed, disturbed, > > and affected by the > > prejudice of others towards his Jewish background > > and his being the only > > Jewish student in his school, that he was unable > to > > walk for a year. 'One's > > walk' is given as 1H in my significator book, and > in > > this case Cancer lagna, > > Moon in 12H. Also as this was an emotional > > disturbance causing this, this is > > doubly so with Moon, so makes sense again for > this. > > > > > > > > Chart for transits at time of death places Cancer > in > > 8H. And now thanks to > > your finding birth time, this shows TMars (a > > significator for strokes) > > debilitated and just over 1 degree of his > ascendant. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Dear Krishna, //Venus is in Pisces and incidentally Venus is the Badhakesh for Cancer Lagna. And, the problem manifested during the dasha of dispositor Jupiter!// Perhaps if we try really hard we might be able to grasp the concept that Badhaksthana is a Jaimini (sign specific) technique and is contradictory to Parashara (Vimsottari) method of prediction... In Jaimini-astrology the Dasa-systems are based on Rasis or Signs and not on Nakshatras and planets like in Vimsottari Dasa etc. These unique (sign-based) Dasa-systems are the backbone of the timing of the events in Jaimini Astrology. The four main (Jaimini) Dasa-systems are: 1) Chara-Dasa 2) Sthira-Dasa 3) Niryana-Shoola-Dasa 4) Navamsa-Dasa. If we remember the basic rules below we shouldn't find it too difficult to accept that Badhaksthana is based on the relationship between signs (as per Jaimini) and NOT on planetary lordships (as per Parashara). 1) Jaimini uses rasi mahadasas (sign mahadasas), in contrast to the graha (planetary) mahadasas used in Parasari astrology. 2) In Jaimini astrology, signs, not planets, cast aspects. Fixed signs aspect cardinal signs and cardinal signs aspect fixed signs (except for adjacent signs). Mutable signs aspect each other. Mixing and matching the two systems leads only to contradictions and confusions - as we can see from this previous post of yours Krishna... You Wrote: //For example, for Simha lagna Mars is both Badhakesh as well as Yogakaraka. Now, how will Mars carry out these two roles?// The answer to that (again) is simple: If you're following Jaimini system, Badhakesh is appropriate. If, on the other hand, you're following Parashara system, YogaKaraka is appropriate. Applying the two simultaneously is contradictory! Why, Oh! why, is it so difficult for some to grasp this??? Unfortunately, although Jaimini techniques are also discussed in detail in (BPHS), they are not referred to specifically as such. This, I know, makes life difficult for the novice student but (again) if we just remember the basic difference between Jaimini technique and Parashara's system we should be able to discern one from the other... Parashara is so simple, so pure in its application (perfectly suited to this age of Kali Yuga where minds tend to be very cloudy)...why complicate it with other techniques! Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:42 PM RE: Aaron Spelling Dear Patrice, That was an interesting analysis. I would like to add a few points: //One reason I had chose this was of course the Sun Mahadasa he was currently in (Sun ruling marakaraka 2H)// In addition, Sun is the dispositor of 8th Lord Rahu. //'One's walk' is given as 1H in my significator book, and in this case Cancer lagna,Moon in 12H. Also as this was an emotional disturbance causing this, this is doubly so with Moon, so makes sense again for this.// Yes, 12H indicates feet. Another way of looking at it is studying Pisces (natural 12H). Venus is in Pisces and incidentally Venus is the Badhakesh for Cancer Lagna. And, the problem manifested during the dasha of dispositor Jupiter! //...this shows TMars (a significator for strokes) debilitated and just over 1 degree of his ascendant.// Yes. Please note that Mars is sitting in Badhakasthana and aspects the 8th lord and hence causes death inflicting stroke. The timing is during SU/VE period. Sun is the dispostor of 8th lord Rahu! And, Venus (also Badhaka) is the dispositor of Mars! Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Dear Wendy, I get the essence of your mail - DON'T mix Jaimini sutras with that of Parashara. I assure you that I will not do it on this forum again. Before that, I would like to share what my thinking is: My logic would be that if Venus is causing a problem in the native's life, Venus is causing a problem irrespective of the method we use to identify it. Ideally, both methods should lead us to Venus as the problem creator. If not, definitely one of the methods is wrong. Once Venus is established as the problem creator (using either of the methods), it is logical to conclude that the manisfestation of the problem will be related to Venus's period. The question here is whether to calculate the timing using Jaimini method or using Parashara method. Again, ideally, both methods should lead us to the same period of the native's life. If not, one of the methods is wrong. That is how I look at the problem on hand. I have deliberately taken an uncoventional approach to Astrology assuming that each of Rishis are right in their own way. And, I assume that as long as I break the problem into logical pieces I could successfully apply sutras from either of them (as long as I don't violate the fundamentals of this science). Hence, this is more an Engineer's approach to Astrology rather than a traditional Astrologer's approach. You are justified if you call me a fool for doing this. In whatever I have learnt in my life or in my career as an Engineer so far, I try to carve out my own way. That is what gives me satisfaction. I just wanted to share my thoughts with you. As I have said before, I will refrain from mixing things on this forum. Thanks for being patient with me. Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Dear Krishna, > > //Venus is in Pisces and incidentally Venus is the > Badhakesh for > Cancer Lagna. And, the problem manifested during the > dasha of > dispositor Jupiter!// > > Perhaps if we try really hard we might be able to > grasp the concept > that Badhaksthana is a Jaimini (sign specific) > technique and is > contradictory to Parashara (Vimsottari) method of > prediction... > > In Jaimini-astrology the Dasa-systems are based on > Rasis or Signs and > not on Nakshatras and planets like in Vimsottari > Dasa etc. These > unique (sign-based) Dasa-systems are the backbone of > the timing of > the events in Jaimini Astrology. > > The four main (Jaimini) Dasa-systems are: > 1) Chara-Dasa > 2) Sthira-Dasa > 3) Niryana-Shoola-Dasa > 4) Navamsa-Dasa. > > If we remember the basic rules below we shouldn't > find it too > difficult to accept that Badhaksthana is based on > the relationship > between signs (as per Jaimini) and NOT on planetary > lordships (as per > Parashara). > > 1) Jaimini uses rasi mahadasas (sign mahadasas), in > contrast to the > graha (planetary) mahadasas used in Parasari > astrology. > > 2) In Jaimini astrology, signs, not planets, cast > aspects. > Fixed signs aspect cardinal signs and cardinal signs > aspect fixed > signs (except for adjacent signs). Mutable signs > aspect each other. > > Mixing and matching the two systems leads only to > contradictions and > confusions - as we can see from this previous post > of yours > Krishna... > > You Wrote: > //For example, for Simha lagna Mars is both > Badhakesh as well as > Yogakaraka. Now, how will Mars carry out these two > roles?// > > The answer to that (again) is simple: > If you're following Jaimini system, Badhakesh is > appropriate. If, on > the other hand, you're following Parashara system, > YogaKaraka is > appropriate. Applying the two simultaneously is > contradictory! > > Why, Oh! why, is it so difficult for some to grasp > this??? > > Unfortunately, although Jaimini techniques are also > discussed in > detail in (BPHS), they are not referred to > specifically as such. > This, I know, makes life difficult for the novice > student but (again) > if we just remember the basic difference between > Jaimini technique > and Parashara's system we should be able to discern > one from the > other... > > Parashara is so simple, so pure in its application > (perfectly suited > to this age of Kali Yuga where minds tend to be very > cloudy)...why > complicate it with other techniques! > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" > <krishna_1998 > > <jyotish-vidya> > Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:42 PM > RE: Aaron Spelling > > > Dear Patrice, > > That was an interesting analysis. I would like to > add > a few points: > > //One reason I had chose this was of course the Sun > Mahadasa he was currently in (Sun ruling marakaraka > 2H)// > > In addition, Sun is the dispositor of 8th Lord Rahu. > > //'One's walk' is given as 1H in my significator > book, > and in this case Cancer lagna,Moon in 12H. Also as > this was an emotional disturbance causing this, this > is doubly so with Moon, so makes sense again for > this.// > > Yes, 12H indicates feet. Another way of looking at > it > is studying Pisces (natural 12H). Venus is in Pisces > and incidentally Venus is the Badhakesh for Cancer > Lagna. And, the problem manifested during the dasha > of > dispositor Jupiter! > > //...this shows TMars (a significator for strokes) > debilitated and just over 1 degree of his > ascendant.// > > Yes. Please note that Mars is sitting in > Badhakasthana > and aspects the 8th lord and hence causes death > inflicting stroke. The timing is during SU/VE > period. > Sun is the dispostor of 8th lord Rahu! And, Venus > (also Badhaka) is the dispositor of Mars! > > Regards, > Krishna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Dear Krishna, //Once Venus is established as the problem creator (using either of the methods), it is logical to conclude that the manisfestation of the problem will be related to Venus's period. The question here is whether to calculate the timing using Jaimini method or using Parashara method. Again, ideally, both methods should lead us to the same period of the native's life. If not, one of the methods is wrong.// NO! You should find out why Venus can be problematic (according to Parashara - if you're using vimsottari). Due to lordship of 4th/11th houses Venus is considered a functional malefic for this chart. 11th lordship has many indications... 1) 11th is the house of gains and shows the fulfilment of one's hopes and wishes. Therefore Venus exalted in 9th is good for prosperity...many gains, fulfilment of hopes and wishes etc., however... 2) 11th is also a trishadya and can bring difficulties... In this chart Venus' dispositor (Jupiter) also has 6th, both a trishadya and a trikasthana, as his moolatrikona and is aspecting lagna lord Moon in 12th etc, etc.. Consider Jupiter in 4th house of happiness and contentment and how his happiness was severely compromised by religious discrimination (9th lord Jupiter in sign of Grt.En. etc..) Then consider the exchange between 4th/9th lords and what this indicates in terms of home, home comforts and so forth... The problem with mixing and matching Parashara and Jaimini is that one fails to gain mastery over either one. Of course you're free to do things 'Your Way' but on JV let's try to do things the 'Right Way' if we can. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya> Friday, June 30, 2006 1:07 AM Re: Aaron Spelling Dear Wendy, I get the essence of your mail - DON'T mix Jaimini sutras with that of Parashara. I assure you that I will not do it on this forum again. Before that, I would like to share what my thinking is: My logic would be that if Venus is causing a problem in the native's life, Venus is causing a problem irrespective of the method we use to identify it. Ideally, both methods should lead us to Venus as the problem creator. If not, definitely one of the methods is wrong. Once Venus is established as the problem creator (using either of the methods), it is logical to conclude that the manisfestation of the problem will be related to Venus's period. The question here is whether to calculate the timing using Jaimini method or using Parashara method. Again, ideally, both methods should lead us to the same period of the native's life. If not, one of the methods is wrong. That is how I look at the problem on hand. I have deliberately taken an uncoventional approach to Astrology assuming that each of Rishis are right in their own way. And, I assume that as long as I break the problem into logical pieces I could successfully apply sutras from either of them (as long as I don't violate the fundamentals of this science). Hence, this is more an Engineer's approach to Astrology rather than a traditional Astrologer's approach. You are justified if you call me a fool for doing this. In whatever I have learnt in my life or in my career as an Engineer so far, I try to carve out my own way. That is what gives me satisfaction. I just wanted to share my thoughts with you. As I have said before, I will refrain from mixing things on this forum. Thanks for being patient with me. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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