Accepting Jyotish

June 25, 2006

Dear List,

The person who first posed the below question to Uttara, has written me

privately and I am sending response onto list.

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Dear Patrice,

RE: Accepting Jyotish

//Most of remedies of Jyotish have some so called Hindu origin or may use

deity of Hindu faith. I feel you believe that jyotish has cosmic origin or

basis. how do you convince those who have different faith to follow to

accept Jyotish//

Lot of people gave excellent input. I think my basic question is lost ''

when people of other faith find it very funny to accept how can there be so

many Gods in Hindu religion. In Jyotish every planet sub planet or

constellation have some deity attached to them and remedies may involve

around them. how can these people of different faith accept Jyotish.

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Thanks for your note. I hoped my example with my girlfriend who was a nun

would perhaps help in this question you've asked. It's a very good question.

The Vedas, from which Jyotish comes, actually predate Hinduism. And my

understanding of Hinduism is that it has a belief in One God, "Realities

Ultimate Oneness". This is the same God of all religions. The worship of

different "gods" is very similar to in Catholicism where people pray to

different Saints and to Mary, etc.. Even the rosary in Catholicism is

similar to what is used for chanting in Hinduism. In Buddhism also this is

very similar and people have statues of Buddha, pray to Buddha, and to

ancestors, etc.. This is so in most religions.

These are different energy forms all representing the One God. I don't know,

but perhaps to use Jyotish fully, meaning accepting the remedies, a person

may need to be open to understanding energy healing, the subtler forms of

healing and health, etc... For instance I practice homeopathy and the Bach

Flower Remedies, as well as Chinese herbs, which are all forms of energy

healing. As are other techniques such as acupuncture, different types of

massage, etc. But for these remedies and systems to work, it doesn't matter

that they accept this or not, whether they believe in them or not.

However, I think most people do believe that there are energies we are all

influenced by, as well we all experience feeling these, such as when there

has been an argument and then we enter the room, etc.. Energies are very

powerful and we use them all the time in our relationships as well. It may

be true that someone isn't aware of this, or have intellectual knowledge of

this, but this is a common and shared experience of all. Even in using email

and the Internet, we seem to pick up the 'energy' of the person and get a

feel for them beyond just what is their written word. This ability is

extremely important for our safety as well and has something to do with

those who survive different situations in life and go on to have children,

etc.. and pass this ability on.

Also someone who is open to Jyotish, must understand the planets have

different energies, which is what we are reading in the chart. So the

remedies in Jyotish are to open, to smooth and improve the energies between

us and a specific energy, a specific planet. Each culture has its own

traditions of these energies. An example for instance, for Moon in the

western culture, the energy would perhaps be Mary for someone with a

Catholic background.

As India, and largely the Hindus, were the keepers of the Vedic tradition

and this knowledge, they were able to accept, as well as further develop and

understand this system of 'upayas', remedies. In Light on Life, the authors

write, "One reason why Jyotish's texts were written in Sanskrit is that

Sanskrit helps facilitate holistic thought. The Seers taught that Sanskrit's

very sounds are sacred, and they held that Sanskrit speaks directly to the

soul of living creatures, transmitting, as does music, a universal meaning

which does not depend on its composition or lyrics."

They also write: "The Vedas, which have existed in their present form,

unchanged, for thousands of years, represent an even older tradition, which

evolved centuries earlier...As times went by new forms of sacred

knowledge sprang into being from Vedic roots.. "The philosophical and

religious ideals introduced into Indian culture by the Vedas have been amply

fertilized by a wide variety of influences, both local and imported, and the

immense mass of spiritual, ethical and religious vegetation which has sprung

from these Vedic roots has come to be known popularly as Hinduism."

Usually many people in the west do not know much about other religions and

don't have accurate information or exposure to understanding other

religions. This is not a block of any kind for using Jyotish, as in the case

with my friend who was a nun and not comfortable "chanting to Moon." Instead

I asked her to chant to Mary, which is the same basic energy. And she had

done this as a nun.

More and more people are open to different healing systems when the use of

medicine or other western medical practices are not able to help them, or

perhaps they choose not to take much in the way of medications, etc.. In

truth we must understand when there is a block or imbalance causing problems

in our health, a lack of the natural flow of energy in that area of our

bodies. There are different methods for improving this and removing the

block or imbalance, or preventing it from further development in the first

place...

Energy systems of healing are very strong and have worked for thousands of

years. They are also more gentle in that they don't leave more problems from

the chemicals or other residues in the system causing or furthering other

imbalances. Also they can be not as intrusive as some western methods. Music

is also sometimes used via its energies. In the west in the last few hundred

years doctors are revisiting the old texts and materials and work of past

great doctors, of Hippocrates and others and also developing again energy

systems for healing - such as Dr. Hahnemann with Homeopathy, and Dr. Bach in

the early 1900's with the Bach Flower Remedies. It is said by many of

today's wise/learned/seers that mantras, and other chanting are extremely

powerful in our current times for healing. This kind of information is

everywhere for someone interested and I don't think it is a case of needing

to convince anyone. But I understand your thoughts regarding the different

gods or just even chanting to planets, and some people are uncomfortable

with that so it's best then to use a different form of the same energy that

they are comfortable with.

Also foods contribute as well. For thousands of years people have understood

the effects of different foods on the body. In our scientific world it has

been explained often by scientific terms and valued mostly from that

perspective, but food, and the energy we consume and take in via food, as

well other energies along with the food, also contributes to us, which is

another reason why some people choose to be vegetarian.

I hope this is more along the thoughts you were looking for in response to

your question.

Best wishes,

Patrice

June 26, 2006

Dear Patrice,

I think this is a beautiful and comprehensive response. There is so much in what you have painstakingly posted here that is very useful for all. I agree too, that it is in the in-depth study and understanding of the Vedic Culture some 8,000 years ago (that i related to in my response) that really is the key in understanding the energy and plausibility of practicing ones faith (religion) of choice in our modern world today. Whether one is of Eastern philosophy or Western. The Vedic culture and ways of practicing their mythologies, medicine, psychology and reactions to their world has as it enveloped into India from the Indus Valley as Hinduism, to be the base of all the major religions practiced today throughout the world.

Beautifully written and explained. Thank you Patrice.

As Always,

Uttara

Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear List,

The person who first posed the below question to Uttara, has written me

privately and I am sending response onto list.

___________________________

Dear Patrice,

RE: Accepting Jyotish

//Most of remedies of Jyotish have some so called Hindu origin or may use

deity of Hindu faith. I feel you believe that jyotish has cosmic origin or

basis. how do you convince those who have different faith to follow to

accept Jyotish//

Lot of people gave excellent input. I think my basic question is lost ''

when people of other faith find it very funny to accept how can there be so

many Gods in Hindu religion. In Jyotish every planet sub planet or

constellation have some deity attached to them and remedies may involve

around them. how can these people of different faith accept Jyotish.

_____

Thanks for your note. I hoped my example with my girlfriend who was a nun

would perhaps help in this question you've asked. It's a very good question..