black magic after doing lot of havan and jap why ? Neeraj -- Ple

June 25, 2006

dear the topic was so interesting that i have to jump in it.

i am just 25 year old boy. having lot of interest in occult sciences.

i have a very nice friend whose father is a saint, he has given me many mantra.

he used to fight with ghosts in dreams and few days back I too. its not a joke)

now regarding why black magic is there:

friends there are always three types of energy:

1) positive

2) negative

3) neutral

this could be understood from light energy also:

positive, negative and neutral.

magic is black white and neutral prayer of a normal man.)

yes neerja ji u r right that who perform black magic are in loss afterwards.

now as your question why they exist???

I have little more deep explanation.

we know that soul is everywhere an the urge of the person never dies till last breath.

now if a person has no awakened kundli , no knowledge of god then two chances are there.

1) first is rebirth

2) going to hell

in some cases like accidental deaths of death of such ppls who are very much materialistic, they cannot leave this world. there soul remains wandering here an there.

in everywhere the souls exist, even it may be sitting near me or sitting near you. the quantity may vary from place to place. but they can't harm us.

they need our body to fulfill their materialistic urges.

now they can only enter inside through breath or through mouth eating).

now the two cases arises.

1) in a normal human being when he/she is sleeping or in incautious state then they try to enter our body.

2) if some one offer us food with some black magic done over it then they enter in our body.

but the person who have faith in god and "PEHRA OVER HIS SWASS" then they cannot enter.

if such a person eats the food on which some black magic is done then it results in loose motions or vomiting an thus the thing cannot well in the body of such person.

listen dear you have said wrong that shiv use this negative powers for his benefits.

let me clear this also:

every other DEV dislikes negative things but it is the only SHIVA (whom I love a lot) who treats everybody equally, is its RAWAN OR RAM. shiv does not have urge for materialistic things. he love his disciple an don't sees his/her bad things.

that's why he is called BHOLEY BABA. these negative powers love them coz SHIV don't dislike anybody due to its looks. SHIV proves the saying:

"hate the sin not the sinner"

it was only the shiv who drank the POISON during samundra manthan.

SHIV is great.

he is great for his act that he treat everbody equally. he only see the bhakti and not the nature.

now let me specify some indications which represent black magic over a person:

1) such person will have heat in his/her ear lobes

2) such person will have less blinking speed of eyelashes

3) such person will feel heat in palm and soles.

4) such person will wake up at same time during night

5) such person will feel lazy during morning and active during night

6) such person will start taking more food as compared to early diet

7) such person will start shouting unnecessary

8) such person will start living alone, means his/her activity toward group decreases

9) such a person will start talking with himself.

many more points i knew but these are few.

Remedies:

listen all its not a joke:

wearing rudraksh or going to temples or doing hawans cannot cure a person on which black magic has done, these precautions or remedies can be done before . they won't help you afterwards.

if you want remedies can contact me in our group:

laalkitab

now regarding rudraksha:

i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married life or materialistic things.

I don't know how u peoples are saying this????

its very precious and gods thing

lord shiv lives in rudraksha.

suppose a married person will wear it and during night if he touches it in a wrong way can understand what I want to say)

it will be a wall between u and ur spouse.

think of it, moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz shiv don't like BHOG.

in our materialistic world we as a GRASTHI are bhogi.

shiv was not in bhog. maa PAARVATI did a long TAPASEYA to convince SHIV for marriage. and even after several years she was unable to get son.

this show that SHIV like YOG and not BHOG.

wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his married life.

its the fact. I am not lying.

rest is upon you but rudraksha is not such a thing:

"jisne bhi socha kuch paisey diye aur galey me daal liya"

its the aksh of shiv:

means tear of shiva.

its well described in purans.

rest is upon you peoples, I don't want to hurt anybody.

Regards

Rohit Sharma

(sunny)

91-9888079834

91-9876416285

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

June 25, 2006

dear friend

you wrote:

"listen all its not a joke: wearing rudraksh or going to temples or

doing hawans cannot cure a person on which black magic has done,

these precautions or remedies can be done before . they won't help

you afterwards. if you want remedies can contact me in our group"

this is an immature and inexperienced statement that wearing

rudraksha or going to temples or doing hawans cannot cure an

abhichara affected person. in other words what we all discuss in

this group about various remedies of visiting temples, doing havans

and wearing rudraksha wont work and for knowing the only working

remedy in the world, everyone shall visit your group. since you

yourself declared an young boy of 25 years, better you learn more

before making such comments against the religious practices in a

public group having more than five thousand members. if it is your

personal view you can publicise it in your own group. can you

elaborate on what you said:

1. you said no rudraksha can cure abhichara. in shivapuran lord

shiva clearly mentions in vidveshvara samhita 25th chapter that

seeing a person wearing a rudraksha mala, bhut, pret, pisach,

dhakini, shakini and all other evils flee. any abhicharas done

would bounce back from the native after seeing the rudraksha mala.

your surmise that this would work only as a precaution and does not

work after affliction is untrue.

2. you said that going to temples cannot cure an abhichara affected

person. there are 101 temples which cured thousands of abhichara

affected people. mehandipur balaji mandir near bharatpur in

rajasthan and chotanikkara mandir in kerala are the most reputed

temples where thousands of abhichara people got cured AFTER getting

the abhichara.

3. you said performing hawans cant cure an abhichara. many people

after performing various homams including the famous sudarshana

homam got relieved from abhicharas. by brushing these highly

powerful homams as useless post abhichara, you are only

disrespecting them.

you wrote:

"i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married life or

materialistic things. I don't know how u peoples are saying this????

moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz shiv don't like

BHOG. wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

married life. its the fact. I am not lying. rest is upon you but

rudraksha is not such a thing"

these lines smack your ignorance of what lord shiva recommended in

shivapuran and reflects that you have not done your homework

thoroughly. in shivapuran lord shiva clearly says that brahmachari,

vanaprastha, grihastha and sanyasi all can wear rudraksha. all

caste people including shudras and ladies can wear these rudraksha.

rudraksha is a form of shivling itself and it grants BOTH BHOG AND

MOKSH. lord shiva has written the wearer of rudraksha getting BHOG

in various places in the shivapuran. for thirteen mukh rudraksha,

lord shiva says that the wearer improves saubhagya and mangalya

meaning conjugal bliss. lord shiva further states that by seeing

the wearer of a rudraksha besides shiva, vishnu, durga, ganesh,

surya and all other gods would also be pleased. all these sentences

are from shivapuran and not mine.

dear rohit, also in public groups you shall not use loose language

like "u people" and make sweeping statements.

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

, Rohit Sharma

<dhanulagna wrote:

>

> dear the topic was so interesting that i have to jump in it.

> i am just 25 year old boy. having lot of interest in occult

sciences.

> i have a very nice friend whose father is a saint, he has given

me many mantra.

> he used to fight with ghosts in dreams and few days back I too.

its not a joke)

> now regarding why black magic is there:

> friends there are always three types of energy:

> 1) positive

> 2) negative

> 3) neutral

> this could be understood from light energy also:

> positive, negative and neutral.

> magic is black white and neutral prayer of a normal man.)

> yes neerja ji u r right that who perform black magic are in loss

afterwards.

> now as your question why they exist???

> I have little more deep explanation.

> we know that soul is everywhere an the urge of the person never

dies till last breath.

> now if a person has no awakened kundli , no knowledge of god

then two chances are there.

> 1) first is rebirth

> 2) going to hell

> in some cases like accidental deaths of death of such ppls who

are very much materialistic, they cannot leave this world. there

soul remains wandering here an there.

> in everywhere the souls exist, even it may be sitting near me or

sitting near you. the quantity may vary from place to place. but

they can't harm us.

> they need our body to fulfill their materialistic urges.

> now they can only enter inside through breath or through mouth

eating).

> now the two cases arises.

> 1) in a normal human being when he/she is sleeping or in

incautious state then they try to enter our body.

> 2) if some one offer us food with some black magic done over it

then they enter in our body.

> but the person who have faith in god and "PEHRA OVER HIS SWASS"

then they cannot enter.

> if such a person eats the food on which some black magic is done

then it results in loose motions or vomiting an thus the thing

cannot well in the body of such person.

> listen dear you have said wrong that shiv use this negative

powers for his benefits.

> let me clear this also:

> every other DEV dislikes negative things but it is the only

SHIVA (whom I love a lot) who treats everybody equally, is its RAWAN

OR RAM. shiv does not have urge for materialistic things. he love

his disciple an don't sees his/her bad things.

> that's why he is called BHOLEY BABA. these negative powers love

them coz SHIV don't dislike anybody due to its looks. SHIV proves

the saying:

> "hate the sin not the sinner"

> it was only the shiv who drank the POISON during samundra

manthan.

> SHIV is great.

> he is great for his act that he treat everbody equally. he only

see the bhakti and not the nature.

> now let me specify some indications which represent black magic

over a person:

> 1) such person will have heat in his/her ear lobes

> 2) such person will have less blinking speed of eyelashes

> 3) such person will feel heat in palm and soles.

> 4) such person will wake up at same time during night

> 5) such person will feel lazy during morning and active during

night

> 6) such person will start taking more food as compared to early

diet

> 7) such person will start shouting unnecessary

> 8) such person will start living alone, means his/her activity

toward group decreases

> 9) such a person will start talking with himself.

> many more points i knew but these are few.

> Remedies:

> listen all its not a joke:

> wearing rudraksh or going to temples or doing hawans cannot cure

a person on which black magic has done, these precautions or

remedies can be done before . they won't help you afterwards.

> if you want remedies can contact me in our group:

> laalkitab

> now regarding rudraksha:

> i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married life

or materialistic things.

> I don't know how u peoples are saying this????

> its very precious and gods thing

> lord shiv lives in rudraksha.

> suppose a married person will wear it and during night if he

touches it in a wrong way can understand what I want to say)

> it will be a wall between u and ur spouse.

> think of it, moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz

shiv don't like BHOG.

> in our materialistic world we as a GRASTHI are bhogi.

> shiv was not in bhog. maa PAARVATI did a long TAPASEYA to

convince SHIV for marriage. and even after several years she was

unable to get son.

> this show that SHIV like YOG and not BHOG.

> wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

married life.

> its the fact. I am not lying.

> rest is upon you but rudraksha is not such a thing:

> "jisne bhi socha kuch paisey diye aur galey me daal liya"

> its the aksh of shiv:

> means tear of shiva.

> its well described in purans.

> rest is upon you peoples, I don't want to hurt anybody.

> Regards

> Rohit Sharma

>

> Rohit Sharma

> (sunny)

> 91-9888079834

> 91-9876416285

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

http://uk.messenger.

>

June 25, 2006

Rohit,

When energy is not moving (positive or negative) and

becomes 'neutral', it becomes matter!

RR

, Rohit Sharma

<dhanulagna wrote:

>

> dear the topic was so interesting that i have to jump in it.

> i am just 25 year old boy. having lot of interest in occult

sciences.

> i have a very nice friend whose father is a saint, he has given

me many mantra.

> he used to fight with ghosts in dreams and few days back I too.

its not a joke)

> now regarding why black magic is there:

> friends there are always three types of energy:

> 1) positive

> 2) negative

> 3) neutral

> this could be understood from light energy also:

> positive, negative and neutral.

> magic is black white and neutral prayer of a normal man.)

> yes neerja ji u r right that who perform black magic are in loss

afterwards.

> now as your question why they exist???

> I have little more deep explanation.

> we know that soul is everywhere an the urge of the person never

dies till last breath.

> now if a person has no awakened kundli , no knowledge of god then

two chances are there.

> 1) first is rebirth

> 2) going to hell

> in some cases like accidental deaths of death of such ppls who

are very much materialistic, they cannot leave this world. there soul

remains wandering here an there.

> in everywhere the souls exist, even it may be sitting near me or

sitting near you. the quantity may vary from place to place. but they

can't harm us.

> they need our body to fulfill their materialistic urges.

> now they can only enter inside through breath or through mouth

eating).

> now the two cases arises.

> 1) in a normal human being when he/she is sleeping or in

incautious state then they try to enter our body.

> 2) if some one offer us food with some black magic done over it

then they enter in our body.

> but the person who have faith in god and "PEHRA OVER HIS SWASS"

then they cannot enter.

> if such a person eats the food on which some black magic is done

then it results in loose motions or vomiting an thus the thing cannot

well in the body of such person.

> listen dear you have said wrong that shiv use this negative

powers for his benefits.

> let me clear this also:

> every other DEV dislikes negative things but it is the only SHIVA

(whom I love a lot) who treats everybody equally, is its RAWAN OR

RAM. shiv does not have urge for materialistic things. he love his

disciple an don't sees his/her bad things.

> that's why he is called BHOLEY BABA. these negative powers love

them coz SHIV don't dislike anybody due to its looks. SHIV proves the

saying:

> "hate the sin not the sinner"

> it was only the shiv who drank the POISON during samundra manthan.

> SHIV is great.

> he is great for his act that he treat everbody equally. he only

see the bhakti and not the nature.

> now let me specify some indications which represent black magic

over a person:

> 1) such person will have heat in his/her ear lobes

> 2) such person will have less blinking speed of eyelashes

> 3) such person will feel heat in palm and soles.

> 4) such person will wake up at same time during night

> 5) such person will feel lazy during morning and active during

night

> 6) such person will start taking more food as compared to early

diet

> 7) such person will start shouting unnecessary

> 8) such person will start living alone, means his/her activity

toward group decreases

> 9) such a person will start talking with himself.

> many more points i knew but these are few.

> Remedies:

> listen all its not a joke:

> wearing rudraksh or going to temples or doing hawans cannot cure

a person on which black magic has done, these precautions or remedies

can be done before . they won't help you afterwards.

> if you want remedies can contact me in our group:

> laalkitab

> now regarding rudraksha:

> i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married life

or materialistic things.

> I don't know how u peoples are saying this????

> its very precious and gods thing

> lord shiv lives in rudraksha.

> suppose a married person will wear it and during night if he

touches it in a wrong way can understand what I want to say)

> it will be a wall between u and ur spouse.

> think of it, moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz

shiv don't like BHOG.

> in our materialistic world we as a GRASTHI are bhogi.

> shiv was not in bhog. maa PAARVATI did a long TAPASEYA to

convince SHIV for marriage. and even after several years she was

unable to get son.

> this show that SHIV like YOG and not BHOG.

> wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

married life.

> its the fact. I am not lying.

> rest is upon you but rudraksha is not such a thing:

> "jisne bhi socha kuch paisey diye aur galey me daal liya"

> its the aksh of shiv:

> means tear of shiva.

> its well described in purans.

> rest is upon you peoples, I don't want to hurt anybody.

> Regards

> Rohit Sharma

>

> Rohit Sharma

> (sunny)

> 91-9888079834

> 91-9876416285

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

http://uk.messenger.

>

June 25, 2006

Respected Arjun ji,

You seem to have summed up the feelings of the group. A very lucid

point by point rebuttal.

With naman to all gurujan,

Varun Trivedi

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friend

>

> you wrote:

> "listen all its not a joke: wearing rudraksh or going to temples

or

> doing hawans cannot cure a person on which black magic has done,

> these precautions or remedies can be done before . they won't help

> you afterwards. if you want remedies can contact me in our group"

>

> this is an immature and inexperienced statement that wearing

> rudraksha or going to temples or doing hawans cannot cure an

> abhichara affected person. in other words what we all discuss in

> this group about various remedies of visiting temples, doing

havans

> and wearing rudraksha wont work and for knowing the only working

> remedy in the world, everyone shall visit your group. since you

> yourself declared an young boy of 25 years, better you learn more

> before making such comments against the religious practices in a

> public group having more than five thousand members. if it is

your

> personal view you can publicise it in your own group. can you

> elaborate on what you said:

>

> 1. you said no rudraksha can cure abhichara. in shivapuran lord

> shiva clearly mentions in vidveshvara samhita 25th chapter that

> seeing a person wearing a rudraksha mala, bhut, pret, pisach,

> dhakini, shakini and all other evils flee. any abhicharas done

> would bounce back from the native after seeing the rudraksha

mala.

> your surmise that this would work only as a precaution and does

not

> work after affliction is untrue.

>

> 2. you said that going to temples cannot cure an abhichara

affected

> person. there are 101 temples which cured thousands of abhichara

> affected people. mehandipur balaji mandir near bharatpur in

> rajasthan and chotanikkara mandir in kerala are the most reputed

> temples where thousands of abhichara people got cured AFTER

getting

> the abhichara.

>

> 3. you said performing hawans cant cure an abhichara. many people

> after performing various homams including the famous sudarshana

> homam got relieved from abhicharas. by brushing these highly

> powerful homams as useless post abhichara, you are only

> disrespecting them.

>

> you wrote:

> "i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married life

or

> materialistic things. I don't know how u peoples are saying

this????

> moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz shiv don't like

> BHOG. wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

> married life. its the fact. I am not lying. rest is upon you but

> rudraksha is not such a thing"

>

> these lines smack your ignorance of what lord shiva recommended in

> shivapuran and reflects that you have not done your homework

> thoroughly. in shivapuran lord shiva clearly says that

brahmachari,

> vanaprastha, grihastha and sanyasi all can wear rudraksha. all

> caste people including shudras and ladies can wear these

rudraksha.

> rudraksha is a form of shivling itself and it grants BOTH BHOG AND

> MOKSH. lord shiva has written the wearer of rudraksha getting

BHOG

> in various places in the shivapuran. for thirteen mukh rudraksha,

> lord shiva says that the wearer improves saubhagya and mangalya

> meaning conjugal bliss. lord shiva further states that by seeing

> the wearer of a rudraksha besides shiva, vishnu, durga, ganesh,

> surya and all other gods would also be pleased. all these

sentences

> are from shivapuran and not mine.

>

> dear rohit, also in public groups you shall not use loose language

> like "u people" and make sweeping statements.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

>

> , Rohit Sharma

> <dhanulagna@> wrote:

> >

> > dear the topic was so interesting that i have to jump in it.

> > i am just 25 year old boy. having lot of interest in occult

> sciences.

> > i have a very nice friend whose father is a saint, he has

given

> me many mantra.

> > he used to fight with ghosts in dreams and few days back I

too.

> its not a joke)

> > now regarding why black magic is there:

> > friends there are always three types of energy:

> > 1) positive

> > 2) negative

> > 3) neutral

> > this could be understood from light energy also:

> > positive, negative and neutral.

> > magic is black white and neutral prayer of a normal man.)

> > yes neerja ji u r right that who perform black magic are in

loss

> afterwards.

> > now as your question why they exist???

> > I have little more deep explanation.

> > we know that soul is everywhere an the urge of the person

never

> dies till last breath.

> > now if a person has no awakened kundli , no knowledge of god

> then two chances are there.

> > 1) first is rebirth

> > 2) going to hell

> > in some cases like accidental deaths of death of such ppls who

> are very much materialistic, they cannot leave this world. there

> soul remains wandering here an there.

> > in everywhere the souls exist, even it may be sitting near me

or

> sitting near you. the quantity may vary from place to place. but

> they can't harm us.

> > they need our body to fulfill their materialistic urges.

> > now they can only enter inside through breath or through mouth

> eating).

> > now the two cases arises.

> > 1) in a normal human being when he/she is sleeping or in

> incautious state then they try to enter our body.

> > 2) if some one offer us food with some black magic done over

it

> then they enter in our body.

> > but the person who have faith in god and "PEHRA OVER HIS

SWASS"

> then they cannot enter.

> > if such a person eats the food on which some black magic is

done

> then it results in loose motions or vomiting an thus the thing

> cannot well in the body of such person.

> > listen dear you have said wrong that shiv use this negative

> powers for his benefits.

> > let me clear this also:

> > every other DEV dislikes negative things but it is the only

> SHIVA (whom I love a lot) who treats everybody equally, is its

RAWAN

> OR RAM. shiv does not have urge for materialistic things. he love

> his disciple an don't sees his/her bad things.

> > that's why he is called BHOLEY BABA. these negative powers

love

> them coz SHIV don't dislike anybody due to its looks. SHIV proves

> the saying:

> > "hate the sin not the sinner"

> > it was only the shiv who drank the POISON during samundra

> manthan.

> > SHIV is great.

> > he is great for his act that he treat everbody equally. he

only

> see the bhakti and not the nature.

> > now let me specify some indications which represent black

magic

> over a person:

> > 1) such person will have heat in his/her ear lobes

> > 2) such person will have less blinking speed of eyelashes

> > 3) such person will feel heat in palm and soles.

> > 4) such person will wake up at same time during night

> > 5) such person will feel lazy during morning and active during

> night

> > 6) such person will start taking more food as compared to

early

> diet

> > 7) such person will start shouting unnecessary

> > 8) such person will start living alone, means his/her activity

> toward group decreases

> > 9) such a person will start talking with himself.

> > many more points i knew but these are few.

> > Remedies:

> > listen all its not a joke:

> > wearing rudraksh or going to temples or doing hawans cannot

cure

> a person on which black magic has done, these precautions or

> remedies can be done before . they won't help you afterwards.

> > if you want remedies can contact me in our group:

> > laalkitab

> > now regarding rudraksha:

> > i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married

life

> or materialistic things.

> > I don't know how u peoples are saying this????

> > its very precious and gods thing

> > lord shiv lives in rudraksha.

> > suppose a married person will wear it and during night if he

> touches it in a wrong way can understand what I want to say)

> > it will be a wall between u and ur spouse.

> > think of it, moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz

> shiv don't like BHOG.

> > in our materialistic world we as a GRASTHI are bhogi.

> > shiv was not in bhog. maa PAARVATI did a long TAPASEYA to

> convince SHIV for marriage. and even after several years she was

> unable to get son.

> > this show that SHIV like YOG and not BHOG.

> > wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

> married life.

> > its the fact. I am not lying.

> > rest is upon you but rudraksha is not such a thing:

> > "jisne bhi socha kuch paisey diye aur galey me daal liya"

> > its the aksh of shiv:

> > means tear of shiva.

> > its well described in purans.

> > rest is upon you peoples, I don't want to hurt anybody.

> > Regards

> > Rohit Sharma

> >

> > Rohit Sharma

> > (sunny)

> > 91-9888079834

> > 91-9876416285

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://uk.messenger.

> >

June 25, 2006

Dear Members

Each member may have its own point of view, which is quite acceptable in a forum. Since many of members (like me) are ignorant of this subject, so might not be competent to comment on validity of various statements. Having said that, I strongly feel that we should not make any personal statement and must respect each other.

This puts an extra burden on participating burden to express their views, without any personal prejudices and on the members as well to be generous enough to forgive for any loosely structured statements. I hope, Pandit Arjun ji will be generous enough to ignore any such loose statements and continue to share his knowledge. Rohit ji, you too - please participate without any personal prejudices. Afterall, many of members like me - will like to learn from the knowledge and experience of all participating members.

regards / Prafulla Gang

Examine what is said, not who speaks.

>

> varun_trvd (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:14:04 -0000

>

> Re: black magic after doing lot of havan and jap why ?

> Neeraj -- Ple

>

> Respected Arjun ji,

>

> You seem to have summed up the feelings of the group. A very lucid

> point by point rebuttal.

>

> With naman to all gurujan,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004 wrote:

>>

>> dear friend

>>

>> you wrote:

>> "listen all its not a joke: wearing rudraksh or going to temples

> or

>> doing hawans cannot cure a person on which black magic has done,

>> these precautions or remedies can be done before . they won't help

>> you afterwards. if you want remedies can contact me in our group"

>>

>> this is an immature and inexperienced statement that wearing

>> rudraksha or going to temples or doing hawans cannot cure an

>> abhichara affected person. in other words what we all discuss in

>> this group about various remedies of visiting temples, doing

> havans

>> and wearing rudraksha wont work and for knowing the only working

>> remedy in the world, everyone shall visit your group. since you

>> yourself declared an young boy of 25 years, better you learn more

>> before making such comments against the religious practices in a

>> public group having more than five thousand members. if it is

> your

>> personal view you can publicise it in your own group. can you

>> elaborate on what you said:

>>

>> 1. you said no rudraksha can cure abhichara. in shivapuran lord

>> shiva clearly mentions in vidveshvara samhita 25th chapter that

>> seeing a person wearing a rudraksha mala, bhut, pret, pisach,

>> dhakini, shakini and all other evils flee. any abhicharas done

>> would bounce back from the native after seeing the rudraksha

> mala.

>> your surmise that this would work only as a precaution and does

> not

>> work after affliction is untrue.

>>

>> 2. you said that going to temples cannot cure an abhichara

> affected

>> person. there are 101 temples which cured thousands of abhichara

>> affected people. mehandipur balaji mandir near bharatpur in

>> rajasthan and chotanikkara mandir in kerala are the most reputed

>> temples where thousands of abhichara people got cured AFTER

> getting

>> the abhichara.

>>

>> 3. you said performing hawans cant cure an abhichara. many people

>> after performing various homams including the famous sudarshana

>> homam got relieved from abhicharas. by brushing these highly

>> powerful homams as useless post abhichara, you are only

>> disrespecting them.

>>

>> you wrote:

>> "i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married life

> or

>> materialistic things. I don't know how u peoples are saying

> this????

>> moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz shiv don't like

>> BHOG. wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

>> married life. its the fact. I am not lying. rest is upon you but

>> rudraksha is not such a thing"

>>

>> these lines smack your ignorance of what lord shiva recommended in

>> shivapuran and reflects that you have not done your homework

>> thoroughly. in shivapuran lord shiva clearly says that

> brahmachari,

>> vanaprastha, grihastha and sanyasi all can wear rudraksha. all

>> caste people including shudras and ladies can wear these

> rudraksha.

>> rudraksha is a form of shivling itself and it grants BOTH BHOG AND

>> MOKSH. lord shiva has written the wearer of rudraksha getting

> BHOG

>> in various places in the shivapuran. for thirteen mukh rudraksha,

>> lord shiva says that the wearer improves saubhagya and mangalya

>> meaning conjugal bliss. lord shiva further states that by seeing

>> the wearer of a rudraksha besides shiva, vishnu, durga, ganesh,

>> surya and all other gods would also be pleased. all these

> sentences

>> are from shivapuran and not mine.

>>

>> dear rohit, also in public groups you shall not use loose language

>> like "u people" and make sweeping statements.

>>

>> with best wishes and blessings

>> pandit arjun

>>

>> , Rohit Sharma

>> <dhanulagna@> wrote:

>>>

>>> dear the topic was so interesting that i have to jump in it.

>>> i am just 25 year old boy. having lot of interest in occult

>> sciences.

>>> i have a very nice friend whose father is a saint, he has

> given

>> me many mantra.

>>> he used to fight with ghosts in dreams and few days back I

> too.

>> its not a joke)

>>> now regarding why black magic is there:

>>> friends there are always three types of energy:

>>> 1) positive

>>> 2) negative

>>> 3) neutral

>>> this could be understood from light energy also:

>>> positive, negative and neutral.

>>> magic is black white and neutral prayer of a normal man.)

>>> yes neerja ji u r right that who perform black magic are in

> loss

>> afterwards.

>>> now as your question why they exist???

>>> I have little more deep explanation.

>>> we know that soul is everywhere an the urge of the person

> never

>> dies till last breath.

>>> now if a person has no awakened kundli , no knowledge of god

>> then two chances are there.

>>> 1) first is rebirth

>>> 2) going to hell

>>> in some cases like accidental deaths of death of such ppls who

>> are very much materialistic, they cannot leave this world. there

>> soul remains wandering here an there.

>>> in everywhere the souls exist, even it may be sitting near me

> or

>> sitting near you. the quantity may vary from place to place. but

>> they can't harm us.

>>> they need our body to fulfill their materialistic urges.

>>> now they can only enter inside through breath or through mouth

>> eating).

>>> now the two cases arises.

>>> 1) in a normal human being when he/she is sleeping or in

>> incautious state then they try to enter our body.

>>> 2) if some one offer us food with some black magic done over

> it

>> then they enter in our body.

>>> but the person who have faith in god and "PEHRA OVER HIS

> SWASS"

>> then they cannot enter.

>>> if such a person eats the food on which some black magic is

> done

>> then it results in loose motions or vomiting an thus the thing

>> cannot well in the body of such person.

>>> listen dear you have said wrong that shiv use this negative

>> powers for his benefits.

>>> let me clear this also:

>>> every other DEV dislikes negative things but it is the only

>> SHIVA (whom I love a lot) who treats everybody equally, is its

> RAWAN

>> OR RAM. shiv does not have urge for materialistic things. he love

>> his disciple an don't sees his/her bad things.

>>> that's why he is called BHOLEY BABA. these negative powers

> love

>> them coz SHIV don't dislike anybody due to its looks. SHIV proves

>> the saying:

>>> "hate the sin not the sinner"

>>> it was only the shiv who drank the POISON during samundra

>> manthan.

>>> SHIV is great.

>>> he is great for his act that he treat everbody equally. he

> only

>> see the bhakti and not the nature.

>>> now let me specify some indications which represent black

> magic

>> over a person:

>>> 1) such person will have heat in his/her ear lobes

>>> 2) such person will have less blinking speed of eyelashes

>>> 3) such person will feel heat in palm and soles.

>>> 4) such person will wake up at same time during night

>>> 5) such person will feel lazy during morning and active during

>> night

>>> 6) such person will start taking more food as compared to

> early

>> diet

>>> 7) such person will start shouting unnecessary

>>> 8) such person will start living alone, means his/her activity

>> toward group decreases

>>> 9) such a person will start talking with himself.

>>> many more points i knew but these are few.

>>> Remedies:

>>> listen all its not a joke:

>>> wearing rudraksh or going to temples or doing hawans cannot

> cure

>> a person on which black magic has done, these precautions or

>> remedies can be done before . they won't help you afterwards.

>>> if you want remedies can contact me in our group:

>>> laalkitab

>>> now regarding rudraksha:

>>> i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married

> life

>> or materialistic things.

>>> I don't know how u peoples are saying this????

>>> its very precious and gods thing

>>> lord shiv lives in rudraksha.

>>> suppose a married person will wear it and during night if he

>> touches it in a wrong way can understand what I want to say)

>>> it will be a wall between u and ur spouse.

>>> think of it, moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz

>> shiv don't like BHOG.

>>> in our materialistic world we as a GRASTHI are bhogi.

>>> shiv was not in bhog. maa PAARVATI did a long TAPASEYA to

>> convince SHIV for marriage. and even after several years she was

>> unable to get son.

>>> this show that SHIV like YOG and not BHOG.

>>> wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

>> married life.

>>> its the fact. I am not lying.

>>> rest is upon you but rudraksha is not such a thing:

>>> "jisne bhi socha kuch paisey diye aur galey me daal liya"

>>> its the aksh of shiv:

>>> means tear of shiva.

>>> its well described in purans.

>>> rest is upon you peoples, I don't want to hurt anybody.

>>> Regards

>>> Rohit Sharma

>>>

>>> Rohit Sharma

>>> (sunny)

>>> 91-9888079834

>>> 91-9876416285

>>>

>>> Send instant messages to your online friends

>> http://uk.messenger.

>>>

June 25, 2006

i knew this is a public group but panit ji, i have both the

experiences.

wearing of rudraksha.

and of ghost.

but i think u won't believe me.

as my age is just 25 an you are thinking me a kid.

but what i said is truely accoring to my experience.

the thing can be defined more deeply:

whenever a soul enters in your body,

the first thing it does is effecting breathing,

the second is effecting brain.

whenever it enters in body it won't leaves the body.

the only thing to get rid from this is:

the moksha of soul that has enterd in the body.

we cannot get rid from it easily.

hope you can understand, i don't wanna go more deep. coz ppls might

be scared.

the second thing is about rudraksha.

i don't wanna mess. pehnatey jao or sahu banatey jao.

but it is right that person wearing rudraksha cannot live

materialistic life.

its true.

tell me such a person who is wearing rudraksha and is totally bhogi

or happy with wife.

i don't agree with you.

rest is i don't wanna mess in your group, but some wrong statements

compelled me to write.

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friend

>

> you wrote:

> "listen all its not a joke: wearing rudraksh or going to temples

or

> doing hawans cannot cure a person on which black magic has done,

> these precautions or remedies can be done before . they won't help

> you afterwards. if you want remedies can contact me in our group"

>

> this is an immature and inexperienced statement that wearing

> rudraksha or going to temples or doing hawans cannot cure an

> abhichara affected person. in other words what we all discuss in

> this group about various remedies of visiting temples, doing

havans

> and wearing rudraksha wont work and for knowing the only working

> remedy in the world, everyone shall visit your group. since you

> yourself declared an young boy of 25 years, better you learn more

> before making such comments against the religious practices in a

> public group having more than five thousand members. if it is

your

> personal view you can publicise it in your own group. can you

> elaborate on what you said:

>

> 1. you said no rudraksha can cure abhichara. in shivapuran lord

> shiva clearly mentions in vidveshvara samhita 25th chapter that

> seeing a person wearing a rudraksha mala, bhut, pret, pisach,

> dhakini, shakini and all other evils flee. any abhicharas done

> would bounce back from the native after seeing the rudraksha

mala.

> your surmise that this would work only as a precaution and does

not

> work after affliction is untrue.

>

> 2. you said that going to temples cannot cure an abhichara

affected

> person. there are 101 temples which cured thousands of abhichara

> affected people. mehandipur balaji mandir near bharatpur in

> rajasthan and chotanikkara mandir in kerala are the most reputed

> temples where thousands of abhichara people got cured AFTER

getting

> the abhichara.

>

> 3. you said performing hawans cant cure an abhichara. many people

> after performing various homams including the famous sudarshana

> homam got relieved from abhicharas. by brushing these highly

> powerful homams as useless post abhichara, you are only

> disrespecting them.

>

> you wrote:

> "i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married life

or

> materialistic things. I don't know how u peoples are saying

this????

> moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz shiv don't like

> BHOG. wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

> married life. its the fact. I am not lying. rest is upon you but

> rudraksha is not such a thing"

>

> these lines smack your ignorance of what lord shiva recommended in

> shivapuran and reflects that you have not done your homework

> thoroughly. in shivapuran lord shiva clearly says that

brahmachari,

> vanaprastha, grihastha and sanyasi all can wear rudraksha. all

> caste people including shudras and ladies can wear these

rudraksha.

> rudraksha is a form of shivling itself and it grants BOTH BHOG AND

> MOKSH. lord shiva has written the wearer of rudraksha getting

BHOG

> in various places in the shivapuran. for thirteen mukh rudraksha,

> lord shiva says that the wearer improves saubhagya and mangalya

> meaning conjugal bliss. lord shiva further states that by seeing

> the wearer of a rudraksha besides shiva, vishnu, durga, ganesh,

> surya and all other gods would also be pleased. all these

sentences

> are from shivapuran and not mine.

>

> dear rohit, also in public groups you shall not use loose language

> like "u people" and make sweeping statements.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

>

> , Rohit Sharma

> <dhanulagna@> wrote:

> >

> > dear the topic was so interesting that i have to jump in it.

> > i am just 25 year old boy. having lot of interest in occult

> sciences.

> > i have a very nice friend whose father is a saint, he has

given

> me many mantra.

> > he used to fight with ghosts in dreams and few days back I

too.

> its not a joke)

> > now regarding why black magic is there:

> > friends there are always three types of energy:

> > 1) positive

> > 2) negative

> > 3) neutral

> > this could be understood from light energy also:

> > positive, negative and neutral.

> > magic is black white and neutral prayer of a normal man.)

> > yes neerja ji u r right that who perform black magic are in

loss

> afterwards.

> > now as your question why they exist???

> > I have little more deep explanation.

> > we know that soul is everywhere an the urge of the person

never

> dies till last breath.

> > now if a person has no awakened kundli , no knowledge of god

> then two chances are there.

> > 1) first is rebirth

> > 2) going to hell

> > in some cases like accidental deaths of death of such ppls who

> are very much materialistic, they cannot leave this world. there

> soul remains wandering here an there.

> > in everywhere the souls exist, even it may be sitting near me

or

> sitting near you. the quantity may vary from place to place. but

> they can't harm us.

> > they need our body to fulfill their materialistic urges.

> > now they can only enter inside through breath or through mouth

> eating).

> > now the two cases arises.

> > 1) in a normal human being when he/she is sleeping or in

> incautious state then they try to enter our body.

> > 2) if some one offer us food with some black magic done over

it

> then they enter in our body.

> > but the person who have faith in god and "PEHRA OVER HIS

SWASS"

> then they cannot enter.

> > if such a person eats the food on which some black magic is

done

> then it results in loose motions or vomiting an thus the thing

> cannot well in the body of such person.

> > listen dear you have said wrong that shiv use this negative

> powers for his benefits.

> > let me clear this also:

> > every other DEV dislikes negative things but it is the only

> SHIVA (whom I love a lot) who treats everybody equally, is its

RAWAN

> OR RAM. shiv does not have urge for materialistic things. he love

> his disciple an don't sees his/her bad things.

> > that's why he is called BHOLEY BABA. these negative powers

love

> them coz SHIV don't dislike anybody due to its looks. SHIV proves

> the saying:

> > "hate the sin not the sinner"

> > it was only the shiv who drank the POISON during samundra

> manthan.

> > SHIV is great.

> > he is great for his act that he treat everbody equally. he

only

> see the bhakti and not the nature.

> > now let me specify some indications which represent black

magic

> over a person:

> > 1) such person will have heat in his/her ear lobes

> > 2) such person will have less blinking speed of eyelashes

> > 3) such person will feel heat in palm and soles.

> > 4) such person will wake up at same time during night

> > 5) such person will feel lazy during morning and active during

> night

> > 6) such person will start taking more food as compared to

early

> diet

> > 7) such person will start shouting unnecessary

> > 8) such person will start living alone, means his/her activity

> toward group decreases

> > 9) such a person will start talking with himself.

> > many more points i knew but these are few.

> > Remedies:

> > listen all its not a joke:

> > wearing rudraksh or going to temples or doing hawans cannot

cure

> a person on which black magic has done, these precautions or

> remedies can be done before . they won't help you afterwards.

> > if you want remedies can contact me in our group:

> > laalkitab

> > now regarding rudraksha:

> > i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married

life

> or materialistic things.

> > I don't know how u peoples are saying this????

> > its very precious and gods thing

> > lord shiv lives in rudraksha.

> > suppose a married person will wear it and during night if he

> touches it in a wrong way can understand what I want to say)

> > it will be a wall between u and ur spouse.

> > think of it, moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz

> shiv don't like BHOG.

> > in our materialistic world we as a GRASTHI are bhogi.

> > shiv was not in bhog. maa PAARVATI did a long TAPASEYA to

> convince SHIV for marriage. and even after several years she was

> unable to get son.

> > this show that SHIV like YOG and not BHOG.

> > wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

> married life.

> > its the fact. I am not lying.

> > rest is upon you but rudraksha is not such a thing:

> > "jisne bhi socha kuch paisey diye aur galey me daal liya"

> > its the aksh of shiv:

> > means tear of shiva.

> > its well described in purans.

> > rest is upon you peoples, I don't want to hurt anybody.

> > Regards

> > Rohit Sharma

> >

> > Rohit Sharma

> > (sunny)

> > 91-9888079834

> > 91-9876416285

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://uk.messenger.

> >

June 25, 2006

.HARE RAM.

Dear Rohit,

I am sorry to say that you are going towards rigidness.Pt.Arjun jee explained his own experience and you can say your own.So let be decided by the other members what do they approve?Why do you indulge in arguements.This is a platform to improve our knowledge only.So plz be polite and do try to learn

and see the things more maturely.

Shashie Shekhar

Mobile-09818310075

Delhi

Rohit <dhanulagna > wrote:

i knew this is a public group but panit ji, i have both the

experiences.

wearing of rudraksha.

and of ghost.

but i think u won't believe me.

as my age is just 25 an you are thinking me a kid.

but what i said is truely accoring to my experience.

the thing can be defined more deeply:

whenever a soul enters in your body,

the first thing it does is effecting breathing,

the second is effecting brain.

whenever it enters in body it won't leaves the body.

the only thing to get rid from this is:

the moksha of soul that has enterd in the body.

we cannot get rid from it easily.

hope you can understand, i don't wanna go more deep. coz ppls might

be scared.

the second thing is about rudraksha.

i don't wanna mess. pehnatey jao or sahu banatey jao.

but it is right that person wearing rudraksha cannot live

materialistic life.

its true.

tell me such a person who is wearing rudraksha and is totally bhogi

or happy with wife.

i don't agree with you.

rest is i don't wanna mess in your group, but some wrong statements

compelled me to write.

, "panditarjun2004"

wrote:

>

> dear friend

>

> you wrote:

> "listen all its not a joke: wearing rudraksh or going to temples

or

> doing hawans cannot cure a person on which black magic has done,

> these precautions or remedies can be done before . they won't help

> you afterwards. if you want remedies can contact me in our group"

>

> this is an immature and inexperienced statement that wearing

> rudraksha or going to temples or doing hawans cannot cure an

> abhichara affected person. in other words what we all discuss in

> this group about various remedies of visiting temples, doing

havans

> and wearing rudraksha wont work and for knowing the only working

> remedy in the world, everyone shall visit your group. since you

> yourself declared an young boy of 25 years, better you learn more

> before making such comments against the religious practices in a

> public group having more than five thousand members. if it is

your

> personal view you can publicise it in your own group. can you

> elaborate on what you said:

>

> 1. you said no rudraksha can cure abhichara. in shivapuran lord

> shiva clearly mentions in vidveshvara samhita 25th chapter that

> seeing a person wearing a rudraksha mala, bhut, pret, pisach,

> dhakini, shakini and all other evils flee. any abhicharas done

> would bounce back from the native after seeing the rudraksha

mala.

> your surmise that this would work only as a precaution and does

not

> work after affliction is untrue.

>

> 2. you said that going to temples cannot cure an abhichara

affected

> person. there are 101 temples which cured thousands of abhichara

> affected people. mehandipur balaji mandir near bharatpur in

> rajasthan and chotanikkara mandir in kerala are the most reputed

> temples where thousands of abhichara people got cured AFTER

getting

> the abhichara.

>

> 3. you said performing hawans cant cure an abhichara. many people

> after performing various homams including the famous sudarshana

> homam got relieved from abhicharas. by brushing these highly

> powerful homams as useless post abhichara, you are only

> disrespecting them.

>

> you wrote:

> "i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married life

or

> materialistic things. I don't know how u peoples are saying

this????

> moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz shiv don't like

> BHOG. wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

> married life. its the fact. I am not lying. rest is upon you but

> rudraksha is not such a thing"

>

> these lines smack your ignorance of what lord shiva recommended in

> shivapuran and reflects that you have not done your homework

> thoroughly. in shivapuran lord shiva clearly says that

brahmachari,

> vanaprastha, grihastha and sanyasi all can wear rudraksha. all

> caste people including shudras and ladies can wear these

rudraksha.

> rudraksha is a form of shivling itself and it grants BOTH BHOG AND

> MOKSH. lord shiva has written the wearer of rudraksha getting

BHOG

> in various places in the shivapuran. for thirteen mukh rudraksha,

> lord shiva says that the wearer improves saubhagya and mangalya

> meaning conjugal bliss. lord shiva further states that by seeing

> the wearer of a rudraksha besides shiva, vishnu, durga, ganesh,

> surya and all other gods would also be pleased. all these

sentences

> are from shivapuran and not mine.

>

> dear rohit, also in public groups you shall not use loose language

> like "u people" and make sweeping statements.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

>

> , Rohit Sharma

> wrote:

> >

> > dear the topic was so interesting that i have to jump in it.

> > i am just 25 year old boy. having lot of interest in occult

> sciences.

> > i have a very nice friend whose father is a saint, he has

given

> me many mantra.

> > he used to fight with ghosts in dreams and few days back I

too.

> its not a joke)

> > now regarding why black magic is there:

> > friends there are always three types of energy:

> > 1) positive

> > 2) negative

> > 3) neutral

> > this could be understood from light energy also:

> > positive, negative and neutral.

> > magic is black white and neutral prayer of a normal man.)

> > yes neerja ji u r right that who perform black magic are in

loss

> afterwards.

> > now as your question why they exist???

> > I have little more deep explanation.

> > we know that soul is everywhere an the urge of the person

never

> dies till last breath.

> > now if a person has no awakened kundli , no knowledge of god

> then two chances are there.

> > 1) first is rebirth

> > 2) going to hell

> > in some cases like accidental deaths of death of such ppls who

> are very much materialistic, they cannot leave this world. there

> soul remains wandering here an there.

> > in everywhere the souls exist, even it may be sitting near me

or

> sitting near you. the quantity may vary from place to place. but

> they can't harm us.

> > they need our body to fulfill their materialistic urges.

> > now they can only enter inside through breath or through mouth

> eating).

> > now the two cases arises.

> > 1) in a normal human being when he/she is sleeping or in

> incautious state then they try to enter our body.

> > 2) if some one offer us food with some black magic done over

it

> then they enter in our body.

> > but the person who have faith in god and "PEHRA OVER HIS

SWASS"

> then they cannot enter.

> > if such a person eats the food on which some black magic is

done

> then it results in loose motions or vomiting an thus the thing

> cannot well in the body of such person.

> > listen dear you have said wrong that shiv use this negative

> powers for his benefits.

> > let me clear this also:

> > every other DEV dislikes negative things but it is the only

> SHIVA (whom I love a lot) who treats everybody equally, is its

RAWAN

> OR RAM. shiv does not have urge for materialistic things. he love

> his disciple an don't sees his/her bad things.

> > that's why he is called BHOLEY BABA. these negative powers

love

> them coz SHIV don't dislike anybody due to its looks. SHIV proves

> the saying:

> > "hate the sin not the sinner"

> > it was only the shiv who drank the POISON during samundra

> manthan.

> > SHIV is great.

> > he is great for his act that he treat everbody equally. he

only

> see the bhakti and not the nature.

> > now let me specify some indications which represent black

magic

> over a person:

> > 1) such person will have heat in his/her ear lobes

> > 2) such person will have less blinking speed of eyelashes

> > 3) such person will feel heat in palm and soles.

> > 4) such person will wake up at same time during night

> > 5) such person will feel lazy during morning and active during

> night

> > 6) such person will start taking more food as compared to

early

> diet

> > 7) such person will start shouting unnecessary

> > 8) such person will start living alone, means his/her activity

> toward group decreases

> > 9) such a person will start talking with himself.

> > many more points i knew but these are few.

> > Remedies:

> > listen all its not a joke:

> > wearing rudraksh or going to temples or doing hawans cannot

cure

> a person on which black magic has done, these precautions or

> remedies can be done before . they won't help you afterwards.

> > if you want remedies can contact me in our group:

> > laalkitab

> > now regarding rudraksha:

> > i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married

life

> or materialistic things.

> > I don't know how u peoples are saying this????

> > its very precious and gods thing

> > lord shiv lives in rudraksha.

> > suppose a married person will wear it and during night if he

> touches it in a wrong way can understand what I want to say)

> > it will be a wall between u and ur spouse.

> > think of it, moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz

> shiv don't like BHOG.

> > in our materialistic world we as a GRASTHI are bhogi.

> > shiv was not in bhog. maa PAARVATI did a long TAPASEYA to

> convince SHIV for marriage. and even after several years she was

> unable to get son.

> > this show that SHIV like YOG and not BHOG.

> > wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

> married life.

> > its the fact. I am not lying.

> > rest is upon you but rudraksha is not such a thing:

> > "jisne bhi socha kuch paisey diye aur galey me daal liya"

> > its the aksh of shiv:

> > means tear of shiva.

> > its well described in purans.

> > rest is upon you peoples, I don't want to hurt anybody.

> > Regards

> > Rohit Sharma

> >

> > Rohit Sharma

> > (sunny)

> > 91-9888079834

> > 91-9876416285

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://uk.messenger.

> >

June 25, 2006

dear rohit ji

it is good to share your experiences. all i adviced you is not to

make such bold statements that a person after getting affected by

abhichara cannot be cured by this or that remedy. i might have done

as many exorcisms as your age is and sometimes took the devils on

myself to relieve the possessed, ALL AFTER ABHICHARA, NOT BEFORE.

experiences of one person cannot contradict the classics that too

holy puranas from whom you learnt the mantras. there are CRORES of

persons living in grihastha and got immensely benefited by rudraksha

and testimonials are only a mouse click away but i dont want to

prove that because your statement is seen in isolation to the vast

majority of natives in grihastha and married life getting benefits

after wearing rudraksha.

yes, due to the holy rudraksha gaining immense popularity and due to

its most inexpensive nature (e.g. a full 108+1 bead mala of five

mukhi comes at less than one rupee per bead) so many stone sellers

are trying to tarnish the holy rudraksha and spreading false rumours

and planting false theories on the net. besides shivapuran,

lingapuran, padmapuran and skandapuran, rudrakshajabalopanishad also

mentions the various benefits of rudraksha. shiva wearing a

rudraksha mala is mentioned even in proper vedas. all those sages

who worn rudraksha malas had wives and produced hundreds of children

as well. i can give so many stories of how many wives each sage had

and how many children he produced. i have holy scriptures to

support each and every statement i make. do you loosely again say

that "rudraksha pehnate jao, sadhu banate jao".

dear rohit, any statement needs to be corroborated, supported and

substantiated by facts and scriptures. please show me one scripture

which says that if a grihastha wears a rudraksha, he would become a

sadhu. if you cannot produce any supporting texts to this

statement, please do not repeat the same again and again.

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

, "Rohit" <dhanulagna

wrote:

>

> i knew this is a public group but panit ji, i have both the

> experiences.

> wearing of rudraksha.

> and of ghost.

> but i think u won't believe me.

> as my age is just 25 an you are thinking me a kid.

> but what i said is truely accoring to my experience.

> the thing can be defined more deeply:

> whenever a soul enters in your body,

> the first thing it does is effecting breathing,

> the second is effecting brain.

> whenever it enters in body it won't leaves the body.

> the only thing to get rid from this is:

> the moksha of soul that has enterd in the body.

> we cannot get rid from it easily.

> hope you can understand, i don't wanna go more deep. coz ppls

might

> be scared.

> the second thing is about rudraksha.

> i don't wanna mess. pehnatey jao or sahu banatey jao.

> but it is right that person wearing rudraksha cannot live

> materialistic life.

> its true.

> tell me such a person who is wearing rudraksha and is totally

bhogi

> or happy with wife.

> i don't agree with you.

> rest is i don't wanna mess in your group, but some wrong

statements

> compelled me to write.

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend

> >

> > you wrote:

> > "listen all its not a joke: wearing rudraksh or going to temples

> or

> > doing hawans cannot cure a person on which black magic has done,

> > these precautions or remedies can be done before . they won't

help

> > you afterwards. if you want remedies can contact me in our group"

> >

> > this is an immature and inexperienced statement that wearing

> > rudraksha or going to temples or doing hawans cannot cure an

> > abhichara affected person. in other words what we all discuss

in

> > this group about various remedies of visiting temples, doing

> havans

> > and wearing rudraksha wont work and for knowing the only working

> > remedy in the world, everyone shall visit your group. since you

> > yourself declared an young boy of 25 years, better you learn

more

> > before making such comments against the religious practices in a

> > public group having more than five thousand members. if it is

> your

> > personal view you can publicise it in your own group. can you

> > elaborate on what you said:

> >

> > 1. you said no rudraksha can cure abhichara. in shivapuran lord

> > shiva clearly mentions in vidveshvara samhita 25th chapter that

> > seeing a person wearing a rudraksha mala, bhut, pret, pisach,

> > dhakini, shakini and all other evils flee. any abhicharas done

> > would bounce back from the native after seeing the rudraksha

> mala.

> > your surmise that this would work only as a precaution and does

> not

> > work after affliction is untrue.

> >

> > 2. you said that going to temples cannot cure an abhichara

> affected

> > person. there are 101 temples which cured thousands of

abhichara

> > affected people. mehandipur balaji mandir near bharatpur in

> > rajasthan and chotanikkara mandir in kerala are the most reputed

> > temples where thousands of abhichara people got cured AFTER

> getting

> > the abhichara.

> >

> > 3. you said performing hawans cant cure an abhichara. many

people

> > after performing various homams including the famous sudarshana

> > homam got relieved from abhicharas. by brushing these highly

> > powerful homams as useless post abhichara, you are only

> > disrespecting them.

> >

> > you wrote:

> > "i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married

life

> or

> > materialistic things. I don't know how u peoples are saying

> this????

> > moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz shiv don't like

> > BHOG. wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over

his

> > married life. its the fact. I am not lying. rest is upon you

but

> > rudraksha is not such a thing"

> >

> > these lines smack your ignorance of what lord shiva recommended

in

> > shivapuran and reflects that you have not done your homework

> > thoroughly. in shivapuran lord shiva clearly says that

> brahmachari,

> > vanaprastha, grihastha and sanyasi all can wear rudraksha. all

> > caste people including shudras and ladies can wear these

> rudraksha.

> > rudraksha is a form of shivling itself and it grants BOTH BHOG

AND

> > MOKSH. lord shiva has written the wearer of rudraksha getting

> BHOG

> > in various places in the shivapuran. for thirteen mukh

rudraksha,

> > lord shiva says that the wearer improves saubhagya and mangalya

> > meaning conjugal bliss. lord shiva further states that by

seeing

> > the wearer of a rudraksha besides shiva, vishnu, durga, ganesh,

> > surya and all other gods would also be pleased. all these

> sentences

> > are from shivapuran and not mine.

> >

> > dear rohit, also in public groups you shall not use loose

language

> > like "u people" and make sweeping statements.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , Rohit Sharma

> > <dhanulagna@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear the topic was so interesting that i have to jump in it.

> > > i am just 25 year old boy. having lot of interest in occult

> > sciences.

> > > i have a very nice friend whose father is a saint, he has

> given

> > me many mantra.

> > > he used to fight with ghosts in dreams and few days back I

> too.

> > its not a joke)

> > > now regarding why black magic is there:

> > > friends there are always three types of energy:

> > > 1) positive

> > > 2) negative

> > > 3) neutral

> > > this could be understood from light energy also:

> > > positive, negative and neutral.

> > > magic is black white and neutral prayer of a normal man.)

> > > yes neerja ji u r right that who perform black magic are in

> loss

> > afterwards.

> > > now as your question why they exist???

> > > I have little more deep explanation.

> > > we know that soul is everywhere an the urge of the person

> never

> > dies till last breath.

> > > now if a person has no awakened kundli , no knowledge of god

> > then two chances are there.

> > > 1) first is rebirth

> > > 2) going to hell

> > > in some cases like accidental deaths of death of such ppls

who

> > are very much materialistic, they cannot leave this world. there

> > soul remains wandering here an there.

> > > in everywhere the souls exist, even it may be sitting near

me

> or

> > sitting near you. the quantity may vary from place to place. but

> > they can't harm us.

> > > they need our body to fulfill their materialistic urges.

> > > now they can only enter inside through breath or through

mouth

> > eating).

> > > now the two cases arises.

> > > 1) in a normal human being when he/she is sleeping or in

> > incautious state then they try to enter our body.

> > > 2) if some one offer us food with some black magic done over

> it

> > then they enter in our body.

> > > but the person who have faith in god and "PEHRA OVER HIS

> SWASS"

> > then they cannot enter.

> > > if such a person eats the food on which some black magic is

> done

> > then it results in loose motions or vomiting an thus the thing

> > cannot well in the body of such person.

> > > listen dear you have said wrong that shiv use this negative

> > powers for his benefits.

> > > let me clear this also:

> > > every other DEV dislikes negative things but it is the only

> > SHIVA (whom I love a lot) who treats everybody equally, is its

> RAWAN

> > OR RAM. shiv does not have urge for materialistic things. he

love

> > his disciple an don't sees his/her bad things.

> > > that's why he is called BHOLEY BABA. these negative powers

> love

> > them coz SHIV don't dislike anybody due to its looks. SHIV

proves

> > the saying:

> > > "hate the sin not the sinner"

> > > it was only the shiv who drank the POISON during samundra

> > manthan.

> > > SHIV is great.

> > > he is great for his act that he treat everbody equally. he

> only

> > see the bhakti and not the nature.

> > > now let me specify some indications which represent black

> magic

> > over a person:

> > > 1) such person will have heat in his/her ear lobes

> > > 2) such person will have less blinking speed of eyelashes

> > > 3) such person will feel heat in palm and soles.

> > > 4) such person will wake up at same time during night

> > > 5) such person will feel lazy during morning and active

during

> > night

> > > 6) such person will start taking more food as compared to

> early

> > diet

> > > 7) such person will start shouting unnecessary

> > > 8) such person will start living alone, means his/her

activity

> > toward group decreases

> > > 9) such a person will start talking with himself.

> > > many more points i knew but these are few.

> > > Remedies:

> > > listen all its not a joke:

> > > wearing rudraksh or going to temples or doing hawans cannot

> cure

> > a person on which black magic has done, these precautions or

> > remedies can be done before . they won't help you afterwards.

> > > if you want remedies can contact me in our group:

> > > laalkitab

> > > now regarding rudraksha:

> > > i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married

> life

> > or materialistic things.

> > > I don't know how u peoples are saying this????

> > > its very precious and gods thing

> > > lord shiv lives in rudraksha.

> > > suppose a married person will wear it and during night if he

> > touches it in a wrong way can understand what I want to say)

> > > it will be a wall between u and ur spouse.

> > > think of it, moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi

coz

> > shiv don't like BHOG.

> > > in our materialistic world we as a GRASTHI are bhogi.

> > > shiv was not in bhog. maa PAARVATI did a long TAPASEYA to

> > convince SHIV for marriage. and even after several years she was

> > unable to get son.

> > > this show that SHIV like YOG and not BHOG.

> > > wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

> > married life.

> > > its the fact. I am not lying.

> > > rest is upon you but rudraksha is not such a thing:

> > > "jisne bhi socha kuch paisey diye aur galey me daal liya"

> > > its the aksh of shiv:

> > > means tear of shiva.

> > > its well described in purans.

> > > rest is upon you peoples, I don't want to hurt anybody.

> > > Regards

> > > Rohit Sharma

> > >

> > > Rohit Sharma

> > > (sunny)

> > > 91-9888079834

> > > 91-9876416285

> > >

> > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > http://uk.messenger.

> > >

June 25, 2006

Dear Prafulla,

You are asking for a very big thing :-)

If a person, any person, could speak without prejudice, first they

would have to know that they have prejudice!

Once they come to that understanding or insight that they were

speaking out of prejudice, they would not be prejudiced any more!

Unless someone is blatantly insincere and just trying to make a

point, and I doubt if there is anyone like that among the vocal ones

on this forum (I cannot judge the silent ones -- not being a mind

reader!), my premise is that all who are taking a stand are doing so

sincerely and out of the goodness of intentions, to keep others from

falling to harm or worse -- false knowledge.

So, I commend everyone for participating, and all I request all

readers to read all that is posted, at least through the intellect,

because in the end what they are going to follow and do is what their

heart dictates.

I know that your heart and mind are both in good places.

RR

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Members

>

> Each member may have its own point of view, which is quite

acceptable in a forum. Since many of members (like me) are ignorant

of this subject, so might not be competent to comment on validity of

various statements. Having said that, I strongly feel that we should

not make any personal statement and must respect each other.

>

> This puts an extra burden on participating burden to express their

views, without any personal prejudices and on the members as well to

be generous enough to forgive for any loosely structured statements.

I hope, Pandit Arjun ji will be generous enough to ignore any such

loose statements and continue to share his knowledge. Rohit ji, you

too - please participate without any personal prejudices. Afterall,

many of members like me - will like to learn from the knowledge and

experience of all participating members.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Examine what is said, not who speaks.

>

> >

> > varun_trvd

> > Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:14:04 -0000

> >

> > Re: black magic after doing lot of havan and jap

why ?

> > Neeraj -- Ple

> >

> > Respected Arjun ji,

> >

> > You seem to have summed up the feelings of the group. A very lucid

> > point by point rebuttal.

> >

> > With naman to all gurujan,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >>

> >> dear friend

> >>

> >> you wrote:

> >> "listen all its not a joke: wearing rudraksh or going to temples

> > or

> >> doing hawans cannot cure a person on which black magic has done,

> >> these precautions or remedies can be done before . they won't

help

> >> you afterwards. if you want remedies can contact me in our group"

> >>

> >> this is an immature and inexperienced statement that wearing

> >> rudraksha or going to temples or doing hawans cannot cure an

> >> abhichara affected person. in other words what we all discuss in

> >> this group about various remedies of visiting temples, doing

> > havans

> >> and wearing rudraksha wont work and for knowing the only working

> >> remedy in the world, everyone shall visit your group. since you

> >> yourself declared an young boy of 25 years, better you learn more

> >> before making such comments against the religious practices in a

> >> public group having more than five thousand members. if it is

> > your

> >> personal view you can publicise it in your own group. can you

> >> elaborate on what you said:

> >>

> >> 1. you said no rudraksha can cure abhichara. in shivapuran lord

> >> shiva clearly mentions in vidveshvara samhita 25th chapter that

> >> seeing a person wearing a rudraksha mala, bhut, pret, pisach,

> >> dhakini, shakini and all other evils flee. any abhicharas done

> >> would bounce back from the native after seeing the rudraksha

> > mala.

> >> your surmise that this would work only as a precaution and does

> > not

> >> work after affliction is untrue.

> >>

> >> 2. you said that going to temples cannot cure an abhichara

> > affected

> >> person. there are 101 temples which cured thousands of abhichara

> >> affected people. mehandipur balaji mandir near bharatpur in

> >> rajasthan and chotanikkara mandir in kerala are the most reputed

> >> temples where thousands of abhichara people got cured AFTER

> > getting

> >> the abhichara.

> >>

> >> 3. you said performing hawans cant cure an abhichara. many

people

> >> after performing various homams including the famous sudarshana

> >> homam got relieved from abhicharas. by brushing these highly

> >> powerful homams as useless post abhichara, you are only

> >> disrespecting them.

> >>

> >> you wrote:

> >> "i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married life

> > or

> >> materialistic things. I don't know how u peoples are saying

> > this????

> >> moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz shiv don't like

> >> BHOG. wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over

his

> >> married life. its the fact. I am not lying. rest is upon you but

> >> rudraksha is not such a thing"

> >>

> >> these lines smack your ignorance of what lord shiva recommended

in

> >> shivapuran and reflects that you have not done your homework

> >> thoroughly. in shivapuran lord shiva clearly says that

> > brahmachari,

> >> vanaprastha, grihastha and sanyasi all can wear rudraksha. all

> >> caste people including shudras and ladies can wear these

> > rudraksha.

> >> rudraksha is a form of shivling itself and it grants BOTH BHOG

AND

> >> MOKSH. lord shiva has written the wearer of rudraksha getting

> > BHOG

> >> in various places in the shivapuran. for thirteen mukh

rudraksha,

> >> lord shiva says that the wearer improves saubhagya and mangalya

> >> meaning conjugal bliss. lord shiva further states that by seeing

> >> the wearer of a rudraksha besides shiva, vishnu, durga, ganesh,

> >> surya and all other gods would also be pleased. all these

> > sentences

> >> are from shivapuran and not mine.

> >>

> >> dear rohit, also in public groups you shall not use loose

language

> >> like "u people" and make sweeping statements.

> >>

> >> with best wishes and blessings

> >> pandit arjun

> >>

> >> , Rohit Sharma

> >> <dhanulagna@> wrote:

> >>>

> >>> dear the topic was so interesting that i have to jump in it.

> >>> i am just 25 year old boy. having lot of interest in occult

> >> sciences.

> >>> i have a very nice friend whose father is a saint, he has

> > given

> >> me many mantra.

> >>> he used to fight with ghosts in dreams and few days back I

> > too.

> >> its not a joke)

> >>> now regarding why black magic is there:

> >>> friends there are always three types of energy:

> >>> 1) positive

> >>> 2) negative

> >>> 3) neutral

> >>> this could be understood from light energy also:

> >>> positive, negative and neutral.

> >>> magic is black white and neutral prayer of a normal man.)

> >>> yes neerja ji u r right that who perform black magic are in

> > loss

> >> afterwards.

> >>> now as your question why they exist???

> >>> I have little more deep explanation.

> >>> we know that soul is everywhere an the urge of the person

> > never

> >> dies till last breath.

> >>> now if a person has no awakened kundli , no knowledge of god

> >> then two chances are there.

> >>> 1) first is rebirth

> >>> 2) going to hell

> >>> in some cases like accidental deaths of death of such ppls who

> >> are very much materialistic, they cannot leave this world. there

> >> soul remains wandering here an there.

> >>> in everywhere the souls exist, even it may be sitting near me

> > or

> >> sitting near you. the quantity may vary from place to place. but

> >> they can't harm us.

> >>> they need our body to fulfill their materialistic urges.

> >>> now they can only enter inside through breath or through mouth

> >> eating).

> >>> now the two cases arises.

> >>> 1) in a normal human being when he/she is sleeping or in

> >> incautious state then they try to enter our body.

> >>> 2) if some one offer us food with some black magic done over

> > it

> >> then they enter in our body.

> >>> but the person who have faith in god and "PEHRA OVER HIS

> > SWASS"

> >> then they cannot enter.

> >>> if such a person eats the food on which some black magic is

> > done

> >> then it results in loose motions or vomiting an thus the thing

> >> cannot well in the body of such person.

> >>> listen dear you have said wrong that shiv use this negative

> >> powers for his benefits.

> >>> let me clear this also:

> >>> every other DEV dislikes negative things but it is the only

> >> SHIVA (whom I love a lot) who treats everybody equally, is its

> > RAWAN

> >> OR RAM. shiv does not have urge for materialistic things. he love

> >> his disciple an don't sees his/her bad things.

> >>> that's why he is called BHOLEY BABA. these negative powers

> > love

> >> them coz SHIV don't dislike anybody due to its looks. SHIV proves

> >> the saying:

> >>> "hate the sin not the sinner"

> >>> it was only the shiv who drank the POISON during samundra

> >> manthan.

> >>> SHIV is great.

> >>> he is great for his act that he treat everbody equally. he

> > only

> >> see the bhakti and not the nature.

> >>> now let me specify some indications which represent black

> > magic

> >> over a person:

> >>> 1) such person will have heat in his/her ear lobes

> >>> 2) such person will have less blinking speed of eyelashes

> >>> 3) such person will feel heat in palm and soles.

> >>> 4) such person will wake up at same time during night

> >>> 5) such person will feel lazy during morning and active during

> >> night

> >>> 6) such person will start taking more food as compared to

> > early

> >> diet

> >>> 7) such person will start shouting unnecessary

> >>> 8) such person will start living alone, means his/her activity

> >> toward group decreases

> >>> 9) such a person will start talking with himself.

> >>> many more points i knew but these are few.

> >>> Remedies:

> >>> listen all its not a joke:

> >>> wearing rudraksh or going to temples or doing hawans cannot

> > cure

> >> a person on which black magic has done, these precautions or

> >> remedies can be done before . they won't help you afterwards.

> >>> if you want remedies can contact me in our group:

> >>> laalkitab

> >>> now regarding rudraksha:

> >>> i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married

> > life

> >> or materialistic things.

> >>> I don't know how u peoples are saying this????

> >>> its very precious and gods thing

> >>> lord shiv lives in rudraksha.

> >>> suppose a married person will wear it and during night if he

> >> touches it in a wrong way can understand what I want to say)

> >>> it will be a wall between u and ur spouse.

> >>> think of it, moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz

> >> shiv don't like BHOG.

> >>> in our materialistic world we as a GRASTHI are bhogi.

> >>> shiv was not in bhog. maa PAARVATI did a long TAPASEYA to

> >> convince SHIV for marriage. and even after several years she was

> >> unable to get son.

> >>> this show that SHIV like YOG and not BHOG.

> >>> wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

> >> married life.

> >>> its the fact. I am not lying.

> >>> rest is upon you but rudraksha is not such a thing:

> >>> "jisne bhi socha kuch paisey diye aur galey me daal liya"

> >>> its the aksh of shiv:

> >>> means tear of shiva.

> >>> its well described in purans.

> >>> rest is upon you peoples, I don't want to hurt anybody.

> >>> Regards

> >>> Rohit Sharma

> >>>

> >>> Rohit Sharma

> >>> (sunny)

> >>> 91-9888079834

> >>> 91-9876416285

> >>>

> >>> Send instant messages to your online friends

> >> http://uk.messenger.

> >>>

June 26, 2006

Dear Sharma ji

You have put it very properly.

regards / Prafulla Gang

Examine what is said, not who speaks.

>

> polite_astro

> Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:45:55 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: Re: black magic after doing lot of havan and jap why ?

> Neeraj -- Ple

>

> .HARE RAM.

> Dear Rohit,

> I am sorry to say that you are going towards rigidness.Pt.Arjun jee

> explained his own experience and you can say your own.So let be decided

> by the other members what do they approve?Why do you indulge in

> arguements.This is a platform to improve our knowledge only.So plz be

> polite and do try to learn

> and see the things more maturely.

>

> Shashie Shekhar

> Mobile-09818310075

> Delhi

>

> Rohit <dhanulagna > wrote:

> i knew this is a public group but panit ji, i have both the

> experiences.

> wearing of rudraksha.

> and of ghost.

> but i think u won't believe me.

> as my age is just 25 an you are thinking me a kid.

> but what i said is truely accoring to my experience.

> the thing can be defined more deeply:

> whenever a soul enters in your body,

> the first thing it does is effecting breathing,

> the second is effecting brain.

> whenever it enters in body it won't leaves the body.

> the only thing to get rid from this is:

> the moksha of soul that has enterd in the body.

> we cannot get rid from it easily.

> hope you can understand, i don't wanna go more deep. coz ppls might

> be scared.

> the second thing is about rudraksha.

> i don't wanna mess. pehnatey jao or sahu banatey jao.

> but it is right that person wearing rudraksha cannot live

> materialistic life.

> its true.

> tell me such a person who is wearing rudraksha and is totally bhogi

> or happy with wife.

> i don't agree with you.

> rest is i don't wanna mess in your group, but some wrong statements

> compelled me to write.

> , "panditarjun2004"

>

> wrote:

>>

>> dear friend

>>

>> you wrote:

>> "listen all its not a joke: wearing rudraksh or going to temples

> or

>> doing hawans cannot cure a person on which black magic has done,

>> these precautions or remedies can be done before . they won't help

>> you afterwards. if you want remedies can contact me in our group"

>>

>> this is an immature and inexperienced statement that wearing

>> rudraksha or going to temples or doing hawans cannot cure an

>> abhichara affected person. in other words what we all discuss in

>> this group about various remedies of visiting temples, doing

> havans

>> and wearing rudraksha wont work and for knowing the only working

>> remedy in the world, everyone shall visit your group. since you

>> yourself declared an young boy of 25 years, better you learn more

>> before making such comments against the religious practices in a

>> public group having more than five thousand members. if it is

> your

>> personal view you can publicise it in your own group. can you

>> elaborate on what you said:

>>

>> 1. you said no rudraksha can cure abhichara. in shivapuran lord

>> shiva clearly mentions in vidveshvara samhita 25th chapter that

>> seeing a person wearing a rudraksha mala, bhut, pret, pisach,

>> dhakini, shakini and all other evils flee. any abhicharas done

>> would bounce back from the native after seeing the rudraksha

> mala.

>> your surmise that this would work only as a precaution and does

> not

>> work after affliction is untrue.

>>

>> 2. you said that going to temples cannot cure an abhichara

> affected

>> person. there are 101 temples which cured thousands of abhichara

>> affected people. mehandipur balaji mandir near bharatpur in

>> rajasthan and chotanikkara mandir in kerala are the most reputed

>> temples where thousands of abhichara people got cured AFTER

> getting

>> the abhichara.

>>

>> 3. you said performing hawans cant cure an abhichara. many people

>> after performing various homams including the famous sudarshana

>> homam got relieved from abhicharas. by brushing these highly

>> powerful homams as useless post abhichara, you are only

>> disrespecting them.

>>

>> you wrote:

>> "i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married life

> or

>> materialistic things. I don't know how u peoples are saying

> this????

>> moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz shiv don't like

>> BHOG. wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

>> married life. its the fact. I am not lying. rest is upon you but

>> rudraksha is not such a thing"

>>

>> these lines smack your ignorance of what lord shiva recommended in

>> shivapuran and reflects that you have not done your homework

>> thoroughly. in shivapuran lord shiva clearly says that

> brahmachari,

>> vanaprastha, grihastha and sanyasi all can wear rudraksha. all

>> caste people including shudras and ladies can wear these

> rudraksha.

>> rudraksha is a form of shivling itself and it grants BOTH BHOG AND

>> MOKSH. lord shiva has written the wearer of rudraksha getting

> BHOG

>> in various places in the shivapuran. for thirteen mukh rudraksha,

>> lord shiva says that the wearer improves saubhagya and mangalya

>> meaning conjugal bliss. lord shiva further states that by seeing

>> the wearer of a rudraksha besides shiva, vishnu, durga, ganesh,

>> surya and all other gods would also be pleased. all these

> sentences

>> are from shivapuran and not mine.

>>

>> dear rohit, also in public groups you shall not use loose language

>> like "u people" and make sweeping statements.

>>

>> with best wishes and blessings

>> pandit arjun

>>

>> , Rohit Sharma

>> wrote:

>>>

>>> dear the topic was so interesting that i have to jump in it.

>>> i am just 25 year old boy. having lot of interest in occult

>> sciences.

>>> i have a very nice friend whose father is a saint, he has

> given

>> me many mantra.

>>> he used to fight with ghosts in dreams and few days back I

> too.

>> its not a joke)

>>> now regarding why black magic is there:

>>> friends there are always three types of energy:

>>> 1) positive

>>> 2) negative

>>> 3) neutral

>>> this could be understood from light energy also:

>>> positive, negative and neutral.

>>> magic is black white and neutral prayer of a normal man.)

>>> yes neerja ji u r right that who perform black magic are in

> loss

>> afterwards.

>>> now as your question why they exist???

>>> I have little more deep explanation.

>>> we know that soul is everywhere an the urge of the person

> never

>> dies till last breath.

>>> now if a person has no awakened kundli , no knowledge of god

>> then two chances are there.

>>> 1) first is rebirth

>>> 2) going to hell

>>> in some cases like accidental deaths of death of such ppls who

>> are very much materialistic, they cannot leave this world. there

>> soul remains wandering here an there.

>>> in everywhere the souls exist, even it may be sitting near me

> or

>> sitting near you. the quantity may vary from place to place. but

>> they can't harm us.

>>> they need our body to fulfill their materialistic urges.

>>> now they can only enter inside through breath or through mouth

>> eating).

>>> now the two cases arises.

>>> 1) in a normal human being when he/she is sleeping or in

>> incautious state then they try to enter our body.

>>> 2) if some one offer us food with some black magic done over

> it

>> then they enter in our body.

>>> but the person who have faith in god and "PEHRA OVER HIS

> SWASS"

>> then they cannot enter.

>>> if such a person eats the food on which some black magic is

> done

>> then it results in loose motions or vomiting an thus the thing

>> cannot well in the body of such person.

>>> listen dear you have said wrong that shiv use this negative

>> powers for his benefits.

>>> let me clear this also:

>>> every other DEV dislikes negative things but it is the only

>> SHIVA (whom I love a lot) who treats everybody equally, is its

> RAWAN

>> OR RAM. shiv does not have urge for materialistic things. he love

>> his disciple an don't sees his/her bad things.

>>> that's why he is called BHOLEY BABA. these negative powers

> love

>> them coz SHIV don't dislike anybody due to its looks. SHIV proves

>> the saying:

>>> "hate the sin not the sinner"

>>> it was only the shiv who drank the POISON during samundra

>> manthan.

>>> SHIV is great.

>>> he is great for his act that he treat everbody equally. he

> only

>> see the bhakti and not the nature.

>>> now let me specify some indications which represent black

> magic

>> over a person:

>>> 1) such person will have heat in his/her ear lobes

>>> 2) such person will have less blinking speed of eyelashes

>>> 3) such person will feel heat in palm and soles.

>>> 4) such person will wake up at same time during night

>>> 5) such person will feel lazy during morning and active during

>> night

>>> 6) such person will start taking more food as compared to

> early

>> diet

>>> 7) such person will start shouting unnecessary

>>> 8) such person will start living alone, means his/her activity

>> toward group decreases

>>> 9) such a person will start talking with himself.

>>> many more points i knew but these are few.

>>> Remedies:

>>> listen all its not a joke:

>>> wearing rudraksh or going to temples or doing hawans cannot

> cure

>> a person on which black magic has done, these precautions or

>> remedies can be done before . they won't help you afterwards.

>>> if you want remedies can contact me in our group:

>>> laalkitab

>>> now regarding rudraksha:

>>> i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married

> life

>> or materialistic things.

>>> I don't know how u peoples are saying this????

>>> its very precious and gods thing

>>> lord shiv lives in rudraksha.

>>> suppose a married person will wear it and during night if he

>> touches it in a wrong way can understand what I want to say)

>>> it will be a wall between u and ur spouse.

>>> think of it, moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz

>> shiv don't like BHOG.

>>> in our materialistic world we as a GRASTHI are bhogi.

>>> shiv was not in bhog. maa PAARVATI did a long TAPASEYA to

>> convince SHIV for marriage. and even after several years she was

>> unable to get son.

>>> this show that SHIV like YOG and not BHOG.

>>> wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

>> married life.

>>> its the fact. I am not lying.

>>> rest is upon you but rudraksha is not such a thing:

>>> "jisne bhi socha kuch paisey diye aur galey me daal liya"

>>> its the aksh of shiv:

>>> means tear of shiva.

>>> its well described in purans.

>>> rest is upon you peoples, I don't want to hurt anybody.

>>> Regards

>>> Rohit Sharma

>>>

>>> Rohit Sharma

>>> (sunny)

>>> 91-9888079834

>>> 91-9876416285

>>>

>>> Send instant messages to your online friends

>> http://uk.messenger.

>>>

June 27, 2006

Dear Ranjan ji

I am bit sow in catching up the thread.

Yes, I agree with your explanation. Perhaps, I have chosen inappropriate word - "prejudice".

regards / Prafulla Gang

If we cannot now end our differences, at least we can help make the world safe for diversity.

>

> jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

> Sun, 25 Jun 2006 22:03:31 -0000

>

> Re: black magic after doing lot of havan and jap why ?

> Neeraj -- Ple

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>

> You are asking for a very big thing :-)

> If a person, any person, could speak without prejudice, first they

> would have to know that they have prejudice!

> Once they come to that understanding or insight that they were

> speaking out of prejudice, they would not be prejudiced any more!

> Unless someone is blatantly insincere and just trying to make a

> point, and I doubt if there is anyone like that among the vocal ones

> on this forum (I cannot judge the silent ones -- not being a mind

> reader!), my premise is that all who are taking a stand are doing so

> sincerely and out of the goodness of intentions, to keep others from

> falling to harm or worse -- false knowledge.

>

> So, I commend everyone for participating, and all I request all

> readers to read all that is posted, at least through the intellect,

> because in the end what they are going to follow and do is what their

> heart dictates.

>

> I know that your heart and mind are both in good places.

>

> RR

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Members

>>

>> Each member may have its own point of view, which is quite

> acceptable in a forum. Since many of members (like me) are ignorant

> of this subject, so might not be competent to comment on validity of

> various statements. Having said that, I strongly feel that we should

> not make any personal statement and must respect each other.

>>

>> This puts an extra burden on participating burden to express their

> views, without any personal prejudices and on the members as well to

> be generous enough to forgive for any loosely structured statements.

> I hope, Pandit Arjun ji will be generous enough to ignore any such

> loose statements and continue to share his knowledge. Rohit ji, you

> too - please participate without any personal prejudices. Afterall,

> many of members like me - will like to learn from the knowledge and

> experience of all participating members.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> Examine what is said, not who speaks.

>>

>>>

>>> varun_trvd

>>> Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:14:04 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: black magic after doing lot of havan and jap

> why ?

>>> Neeraj -- Ple

>>>

>>> Respected Arjun ji,

>>>

>>> You seem to have summed up the feelings of the group. A very lucid

>>> point by point rebuttal.

>>>

>>> With naman to all gurujan,

>>>

>>> Varun Trivedi

>>>

>>> , "panditarjun2004"

>>> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> dear friend

>>>>

>>>> you wrote:

>>>> "listen all its not a joke: wearing rudraksh or going to temples

>>> or

>>>> doing hawans cannot cure a person on which black magic has done,

>>>> these precautions or remedies can be done before . they won't

> help

>>>> you afterwards. if you want remedies can contact me in our group"

>>>>

>>>> this is an immature and inexperienced statement that wearing

>>>> rudraksha or going to temples or doing hawans cannot cure an

>>>> abhichara affected person. in other words what we all discuss in

>>>> this group about various remedies of visiting temples, doing

>>> havans

>>>> and wearing rudraksha wont work and for knowing the only working

>>>> remedy in the world, everyone shall visit your group. since you

>>>> yourself declared an young boy of 25 years, better you learn more

>>>> before making such comments against the religious practices in a

>>>> public group having more than five thousand members. if it is

>>> your

>>>> personal view you can publicise it in your own group. can you

>>>> elaborate on what you said:

>>>>

>>>> 1. you said no rudraksha can cure abhichara. in shivapuran lord

>>>> shiva clearly mentions in vidveshvara samhita 25th chapter that

>>>> seeing a person wearing a rudraksha mala, bhut, pret, pisach,

>>>> dhakini, shakini and all other evils flee. any abhicharas done

>>>> would bounce back from the native after seeing the rudraksha

>>> mala.

>>>> your surmise that this would work only as a precaution and does

>>> not

>>>> work after affliction is untrue.

>>>>

>>>> 2. you said that going to temples cannot cure an abhichara

>>> affected

>>>> person. there are 101 temples which cured thousands of abhichara

>>>> affected people. mehandipur balaji mandir near bharatpur in

>>>> rajasthan and chotanikkara mandir in kerala are the most reputed

>>>> temples where thousands of abhichara people got cured AFTER

>>> getting

>>>> the abhichara.

>>>>

>>>> 3. you said performing hawans cant cure an abhichara. many

> people

>>>> after performing various homams including the famous sudarshana

>>>> homam got relieved from abhicharas. by brushing these highly

>>>> powerful homams as useless post abhichara, you are only

>>>> disrespecting them.

>>>>

>>>> you wrote:

>>>> "i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married life

>>> or

>>>> materialistic things. I don't know how u peoples are saying

>>> this????

>>>> moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz shiv don't like

>>>> BHOG. wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over

> his

>>>> married life. its the fact. I am not lying. rest is upon you but

>>>> rudraksha is not such a thing"

>>>>

>>>> these lines smack your ignorance of what lord shiva recommended

> in

>>>> shivapuran and reflects that you have not done your homework

>>>> thoroughly. in shivapuran lord shiva clearly says that

>>> brahmachari,

>>>> vanaprastha, grihastha and sanyasi all can wear rudraksha. all

>>>> caste people including shudras and ladies can wear these

>>> rudraksha.

>>>> rudraksha is a form of shivling itself and it grants BOTH BHOG

> AND

>>>> MOKSH. lord shiva has written the wearer of rudraksha getting

>>> BHOG

>>>> in various places in the shivapuran. for thirteen mukh

> rudraksha,

>>>> lord shiva says that the wearer improves saubhagya and mangalya

>>>> meaning conjugal bliss. lord shiva further states that by seeing

>>>> the wearer of a rudraksha besides shiva, vishnu, durga, ganesh,

>>>> surya and all other gods would also be pleased. all these

>>> sentences

>>>> are from shivapuran and not mine.

>>>>

>>>> dear rohit, also in public groups you shall not use loose

> language

>>>> like "u people" and make sweeping statements.

>>>>

>>>> with best wishes and blessings

>>>> pandit arjun

>>>>

>>>> , Rohit Sharma

>>>> <dhanulagna@> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> dear the topic was so interesting that i have to jump in it.

>>>>> i am just 25 year old boy. having lot of interest in occult

>>>> sciences.

>>>>> i have a very nice friend whose father is a saint, he has

>>> given

>>>> me many mantra.

>>>>> he used to fight with ghosts in dreams and few days back I

>>> too.

>>>> its not a joke)

>>>>> now regarding why black magic is there:

>>>>> friends there are always three types of energy:

>>>>> 1) positive

>>>>> 2) negative

>>>>> 3) neutral

>>>>> this could be understood from light energy also:

>>>>> positive, negative and neutral.

>>>>> magic is black white and neutral prayer of a normal man.)

>>>>> yes neerja ji u r right that who perform black magic are in

>>> loss

>>>> afterwards.

>>>>> now as your question why they exist???

>>>>> I have little more deep explanation.

>>>>> we know that soul is everywhere an the urge of the person

>>> never

>>>> dies till last breath.

>>>>> now if a person has no awakened kundli , no knowledge of god

>>>> then two chances are there.

>>>>> 1) first is rebirth

>>>>> 2) going to hell

>>>>> in some cases like accidental deaths of death of such ppls who

>>>> are very much materialistic, they cannot leave this world. there

>>>> soul remains wandering here an there.

>>>>> in everywhere the souls exist, even it may be sitting near me

>>> or

>>>> sitting near you. the quantity may vary from place to place. but

>>>> they can't harm us.

>>>>> they need our body to fulfill their materialistic urges.

>>>>> now they can only enter inside through breath or through mouth

>>>> eating).

>>>>> now the two cases arises.

>>>>> 1) in a normal human being when he/she is sleeping or in

>>>> incautious state then they try to enter our body.

>>>>> 2) if some one offer us food with some black magic done over

>>> it

>>>> then they enter in our body.

>>>>> but the person who have faith in god and "PEHRA OVER HIS

>>> SWASS"

>>>> then they cannot enter.

>>>>> if such a person eats the food on which some black magic is

>>> done

>>>> then it results in loose motions or vomiting an thus the thing

>>>> cannot well in the body of such person.

>>>>> listen dear you have said wrong that shiv use this negative

>>>> powers for his benefits.

>>>>> let me clear this also:

>>>>> every other DEV dislikes negative things but it is the only

>>>> SHIVA (whom I love a lot) who treats everybody equally, is its

>>> RAWAN

>>>> OR RAM. shiv does not have urge for materialistic things. he love

>>>> his disciple an don't sees his/her bad things.

>>>>> that's why he is called BHOLEY BABA. these negative powers

>>> love

>>>> them coz SHIV don't dislike anybody due to its looks. SHIV proves

>>>> the saying:

>>>>> "hate the sin not the sinner"

>>>>> it was only the shiv who drank the POISON during samundra

>>>> manthan.

>>>>> SHIV is great.

>>>>> he is great for his act that he treat everbody equally. he

>>> only

>>>> see the bhakti and not the nature.

>>>>> now let me specify some indications which represent black

>>> magic

>>>> over a person:

>>>>> 1) such person will have heat in his/her ear lobes

>>>>> 2) such person will have less blinking speed of eyelashes

>>>>> 3) such person will feel heat in palm and soles.

>>>>> 4) such person will wake up at same time during night

>>>>> 5) such person will feel lazy during morning and active during

>>>> night

>>>>> 6) such person will start taking more food as compared to

>>> early

>>>> diet

>>>>> 7) such person will start shouting unnecessary

>>>>> 8) such person will start living alone, means his/her activity

>>>> toward group decreases

>>>>> 9) such a person will start talking with himself.

>>>>> many more points i knew but these are few.

>>>>> Remedies:

>>>>> listen all its not a joke:

>>>>> wearing rudraksh or going to temples or doing hawans cannot

>>> cure

>>>> a person on which black magic has done, these precautions or

>>>> remedies can be done before . they won't help you afterwards.

>>>>> if you want remedies can contact me in our group:

>>>>> laalkitab

>>>>> now regarding rudraksha:

>>>>> i don;'t agree with you that rudraksha don't effect married

>>> life

>>>> or materialistic things.

>>>>> I don't know how u peoples are saying this????

>>>>> its very precious and gods thing

>>>>> lord shiv lives in rudraksha.

>>>>> suppose a married person will wear it and during night if he

>>>> touches it in a wrong way can understand what I want to say)

>>>>> it will be a wall between u and ur spouse.

>>>>> think of it, moreover rudraksha is worn by saints or yogi coz

>>>> shiv don't like BHOG.

>>>>> in our materialistic world we as a GRASTHI are bhogi.

>>>>> shiv was not in bhog. maa PAARVATI did a long TAPASEYA to

>>>> convince SHIV for marriage. and even after several years she was

>>>> unable to get son.

>>>>> this show that SHIV like YOG and not BHOG.

>>>>> wearing a rudraksha by a person can severely affect over his

>>>> married life.

>>>>> its the fact. I am not lying.

>>>>> rest is upon you but rudraksha is not such a thing:

>>>>> "jisne bhi socha kuch paisey diye aur galey me daal liya"

>>>>> its the aksh of shiv:

>>>>> means tear of shiva.

>>>>> its well described in purans.

>>>>> rest is upon you peoples, I don't want to hurt anybody.

>>>>> Regards

>>>>> Rohit Sharma

>>>>>

>>>>> Rohit Sharma

>>>>> (sunny)

>>>>> 91-9888079834

>>>>> 91-9876416285

>>>>>

>>>>> Send instant messages to your online friends

>>>> http://uk.messenger.

>>>>>

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